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Melville, NY - The chef and general manager of a large Long Island based kosher catering company have filed court papers charging the owner with serving non-kosher food at kosher affairs for the past sixteen months.

Long Island based newspaper Newsday is reporting  that, General manager Tom Cataldo and Chef Michael Savitsky allege that Scott Morrell, CEO and owner of Morrell Caterers which bills itself as a luxury kosher catering firm, has been preparing, serving, storing and transporting kosher and non-kosher food in the same kitchen and with the same utensils.

The pair estimate that despite charging premium prices for kosher food, all food served by Morrell at approximately two hundred events during that time period was contaminated.  According to reports on WCBS news, Morrell also billed his clients for high-end liquors while pouring lower priced liquor into the premium bottles.  According to the company’s web site  Morrell caters at Temple Israel in Lawrence, Temple Beth Torah in Melville and Woodbury Jewish Center in Woodbury.

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According to Cataldo and Savitsky, Morrell began catering non-kosher events when business slowed down and prepared food for those affairs, including pork and shellfish, in the same kitchens he used for his kosher catering.  The two say filed the lawsuit after Morrell allegedly refused their requests not to prepare non-kosher food in the kosher kitchens.

“Everything was tainted,” said Cataldo.  “Next to the kosher meat you would have a bucket of raw shrimp.”

It is unclear what type of kashrus supervision was employed by Morrell Caterers.  Office staff at the facility’s main office told VIN News that that information was not readily available and owner Scott Morrell was unavailable for comment.

Morrell’s lawyer called the allegations fictitious and said that the pair were manipulated into bringing the lawsuit by a third party in retaliation for a bad investment he had made with Morrell.  Morrell further alleged that the non-kosher catering was initiated by Savitsky and Cataldo.

State Supreme Court Justice Stephen Bucaria signed a temporary restraining order in Nassau County Supreme Court in Mineola on Tuesday, barring Morrell from disposing of any company property, including assets or records, until a decision is reached in the case.


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 Feb 08, 2012 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:

including pork and shellfish Feh!

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 01:39 PM Anonymous Says:

He should be made to kasher the kitchen and toivel a new set of dishes and hire a good chassidshe mashgiach before being allowed to cater events at orthodox shuls and at orthodox simchas. If true, his actions are contrary to halacha and would upset the baalei simcha who hired him for their parties. If you were a choson/kallah, how would you feel if you just discovered that all your guests at the kiddushim were fed treifus.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 01:46 PM destro613 Says:

who give the hashgocha

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 01:52 PM FangUnFunUnfang Says:

To #2
Why would you think his actions are contrary to halacha, and that people might get upset?

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 01:52 PM sasregener Says:

did he have a hechsher to begin with. looks like no

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 01:55 PM Anonymous Says:

You think they discovered this just yesterday?

Nonsense.

They just decided to go public.

Is there Hashgacha? No.

I once worked as a Mashgiach at one of these places. I came in at 6 AM to kasher and they told me, "Rabbi, we kosherized everything last night."

I told them, "Great. You got practice because we're going to do it all again now in front of me."

They didn't try to pull anything like that again.

PS. And I hate to say this... but the non-Jews always gave me the most respect and did what I asked. It was the Yidden who were always trying to cheat and get away with things.

The next time you go to an affair, ask to speak to the Mashgiach and thank him for his services. I assure you he is not being over paid and he works hard for his money.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 01:56 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

He should be made to kasher the kitchen and toivel a new set of dishes and hire a good chassidshe mashgiach before being allowed to cater events at orthodox shuls and at orthodox simchas. If true, his actions are contrary to halacha and would upset the baalei simcha who hired him for their parties. If you were a choson/kallah, how would you feel if you just discovered that all your guests at the kiddushim were fed treifus.

Your proposed solution is much too gentle. He is in violation of NY State law if he served tarfus as kosher. He is eligible for fines and jail time. Personally, I don't think that the installation of any mashgiach, chassidic or otherwise, will allow the firm to regain its tarnished reputation and integrity. If the charges are true, all guilty parties should be run out of the industry - after serving their sentences!

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Does anyone know under who's hashgacha this ferd was?

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

including pork and shellfish Feh!

You didn't comment on the fact that he was mixing meat and fish which is stricty assur according to the gemorah (Pesachim 76b) ,Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah 116:2, the Rama, etc.). The fact that the meat and fish individually might have also been treif is another possible concern.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:02 PM Nebech Says:

Who said the chef and general manager are telling the truth?

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:04 PM janda3 Says:

he should also refund all the money he took from those catering events that were effected by this heinous act of his! it's almost like that incident in Monsey of the Glatt kosher butcher that was found to be selling treif meat. the pig should be put in jail & left to rot!

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Video cameras needed for kosher supervision.

14

 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:23 PM shazmar Says:

It's reform we're dealing with here. They were probably catering for gay weddings anyway... What's new?

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

He should be made to kasher the kitchen and toivel a new set of dishes and hire a good chassidshe mashgiach before being allowed to cater events at orthodox shuls and at orthodox simchas. If true, his actions are contrary to halacha and would upset the baalei simcha who hired him for their parties. If you were a choson/kallah, how would you feel if you just discovered that all your guests at the kiddushim were fed treifus.

He should never be able to cater again in his life period he can't be trusted מאכיל טרפות ר״ ל

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:29 PM Meir Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

He should be made to kasher the kitchen and toivel a new set of dishes and hire a good chassidshe mashgiach before being allowed to cater events at orthodox shuls and at orthodox simchas. If true, his actions are contrary to halacha and would upset the baalei simcha who hired him for their parties. If you were a choson/kallah, how would you feel if you just discovered that all your guests at the kiddushim were fed treifus.

Oh, do you mean like the one in Monsey?

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

He should be made to kasher the kitchen and toivel a new set of dishes and hire a good chassidshe mashgiach before being allowed to cater events at orthodox shuls and at orthodox simchas. If true, his actions are contrary to halacha and would upset the baalei simcha who hired him for their parties. If you were a choson/kallah, how would you feel if you just discovered that all your guests at the kiddushim were fed treifus.

Kosher his kitchen. He is guilt of fraud and should be closed up permant

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:33 PM BT-Yossi Says:

I read the caterer's website. There is no mention of Kashrus or supervision or Rabbi's at all. Possibly not even really kosher...

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
FangUnFunUnfang Says:

To #2
Why would you think his actions are contrary to halacha, and that people might get upset?

Because unlike yourself, most yidden who are shomrei torah umitzvot take kashruth seriously and will be upset even if they unknowingly ate treifus.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:37 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Sounds like someone is going to be shaken down so hard his teeth rattle. And good on that. This was long-term fraud.

21

 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
janda3 Says:

he should also refund all the money he took from those catering events that were effected by this heinous act of his! it's almost like that incident in Monsey of the Glatt kosher butcher that was found to be selling treif meat. the pig should be put in jail & left to rot!

"the pig should be put in jail & left to rot!”

Read the article carefully. It says to the chazer was already served with the shrimp so there is nothing left to rot in jail.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:42 PM BaruchGershom Says:

It looks like he catered out of Conservative synagogues with no rabbinic supervision. This is why reliable Orthodox organizations require that their mashgichim -- and not the owner or manager -- have exclusive access to the keys to the kitchen and fridge. Also my vaad does not give hashgacha to companies that have non-kosher businesses, with the exception of hotels. In that case, all of the kelim are locked away in a cage or closet to which only the Vaad has the keys.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:45 PM JerusalamiKugel Says:

Start with you

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:51 PM IMORRELL Says:

#2
"Would upset the baalei simchah"??? Are you completely Mad!! He served shellfish and pork to kosher observant customers!!! He should not only not be given a licence again but go on trial and put in prison and pay millions in compensation. Do you honestly believe that Morell should be allowed near kosher food again if he simply kashers his utensils and toivel new vessels and hire a chassidisher mashgiach this makes all better??? The man is a dispicable excuse for a jew if he is indeed jewish and the damage he has caused is irreperable, not to mention the mental anguish this will cause his unfortunate and unwitting victims. G-D HELP HIM AND HE WILL BURN iN GEHiNNOM WITH THAT OTHER MAMZER FROM MONSEY!

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 02:59 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

He should be made to kasher the kitchen and toivel a new set of dishes and hire a good chassidshe mashgiach before being allowed to cater events at orthodox shuls and at orthodox simchas. If true, his actions are contrary to halacha and would upset the baalei simcha who hired him for their parties. If you were a choson/kallah, how would you feel if you just discovered that all your guests at the kiddushim were fed treifus.

like problem never happen at places with chassidshe mashgiach what a joke

recent monsey and there are more

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:02 PM MonseyMan Says:

its hard to find because of the coloring. selected from the bottom of the first page



Long Island Kosher Caterers © copyright 2008-2012
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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:14 PM Mandel Says:

so there are many Finkels of monsey copycats....

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Most of these places are Conservative and the "rabbi" is usually in charge of the kitchen.

They get paid a fee for doing weddings and they never have a clue as to what's going on.

Very few of their baale batim care about kashrut but some do.

It's a shame.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:30 PM Mima Says:

Reply to #6  
sasregener Says:

did he have a hechsher to begin with. looks like no

why "looks like"?
did you look? if so, where?

In answer to everyone's question, you can spend 30 seconds to find out that:
He has two hechshers
* one for his Woodbury location (which is Glatt, from the Va'ad of Flatbush)
* one for his other two locations, Lawrence and Melville (which is from under the "supervision" of Reform Rabbi Steven Moss).

The lawsuit (and accusations) are only regarding the place with the Reform hechsher, not the Glatt one from the Va'ad.

And he didn't "serve pork and shellfish" instead of kosher meat - even the plaintiffs don't accuse him of that. What they are suspected of doing is not keeping the kitchens sealed, and not transporting/storing treif items near the kosher ones.
To be sure - that contravenes any Hechsher, reform or glatt, and is highly assur, deplorable and liable.

But nobody had their kosher meat "switched" for pork...

30

 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
BT-Yossi Says:

I read the caterer's website. There is no mention of Kashrus or supervision or Rabbi's at all. Possibly not even really kosher...

Really?

I read the same website and it plainly says (clear as day) what the name of the Rabbi is. (It's a Reform rabbi).

It also clearly says that their Woodbury branch is under the Glatt supervision of the Va'ad of Flatbush (but this scandal isn't about that branch).

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:36 PM mo613 Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

including pork and shellfish Feh!

why feh ? have you ever tasted it?
just because its not kosher doesn't make it feh ! im sure it tastes great ,but to Jews its not permissible

32

 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:39 PM ShlomoH Says:

Reply to #24  
IMORRELL Says:

#2
"Would upset the baalei simchah"??? Are you completely Mad!! He served shellfish and pork to kosher observant customers!!! He should not only not be given a licence again but go on trial and put in prison and pay millions in compensation. Do you honestly believe that Morell should be allowed near kosher food again if he simply kashers his utensils and toivel new vessels and hire a chassidisher mashgiach this makes all better??? The man is a dispicable excuse for a jew if he is indeed jewish and the damage he has caused is irreperable, not to mention the mental anguish this will cause his unfortunate and unwitting victims. G-D HELP HIM AND HE WILL BURN iN GEHiNNOM WITH THAT OTHER MAMZER FROM MONSEY!

Not Jewish. He is Italian.

33

 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Does anyone know under who's hashgacha this ferd was?

According to their own website and advertising, it's Steven A. Moss, who is the Rabbi of B'nei Israel Reform Temple in Oakwood, NY.

Rabbi Dr. Moss is (ironically) also the Chairperson of the Suffolk County Human Rights Commission.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:52 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

How do you know Finkel didn't do teshuva? Like, seriously, if you can come on this blog this many years later and still burn from hate, you have mental problems as bad as FInkel did. Get over it. A yid committed a sin, is that news? Still years later you're all tzibrent? Take a pill 24.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
IMORRELL Says:

#2
"Would upset the baalei simchah"??? Are you completely Mad!! He served shellfish and pork to kosher observant customers!!! He should not only not be given a licence again but go on trial and put in prison and pay millions in compensation. Do you honestly believe that Morell should be allowed near kosher food again if he simply kashers his utensils and toivel new vessels and hire a chassidisher mashgiach this makes all better??? The man is a dispicable excuse for a jew if he is indeed jewish and the damage he has caused is irreperable, not to mention the mental anguish this will cause his unfortunate and unwitting victims. G-D HELP HIM AND HE WILL BURN iN GEHiNNOM WITH THAT OTHER MAMZER FROM MONSEY!

Why are you linking this Long Island case involving inadequate hashgacha with the tragedy in Monsey where the chassidshe bochur just pled guilty for burning another yid. The matters are totally unrelated.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:55 PM Mima Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

Kosher his kitchen. He is guilt of fraud and should be closed up permant

This is the definition of irony:
The rabbi giving the hechsher in question is also the Deputy Chief (and Chaplain) of the Suffolk County Police Department.

So the civil and criminal violations probably seem more outrageous if/when this goes to prosecution and one of the defendants (and/or their witness) is the Deputy Police...

37

 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:56 PM smi613 Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

You think they discovered this just yesterday?

Nonsense.

They just decided to go public.

Is there Hashgacha? No.

I once worked as a Mashgiach at one of these places. I came in at 6 AM to kasher and they told me, "Rabbi, we kosherized everything last night."

I told them, "Great. You got practice because we're going to do it all again now in front of me."

They didn't try to pull anything like that again.

PS. And I hate to say this... but the non-Jews always gave me the most respect and did what I asked. It was the Yidden who were always trying to cheat and get away with things.

The next time you go to an affair, ask to speak to the Mashgiach and thank him for his services. I assure you he is not being over paid and he works hard for his money.

Thank you for a valuable suggestion! "The next time you go to an affair, ask to speak to the Mashgiach and thank him for his services." ........... would it also be appropriate to ask where the ingredients came from and other questions (assuming one doesn't know the mashgiach personally)?

38

 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:57 PM smi613 Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

You think they discovered this just yesterday?

Nonsense.

They just decided to go public.

Is there Hashgacha? No.

I once worked as a Mashgiach at one of these places. I came in at 6 AM to kasher and they told me, "Rabbi, we kosherized everything last night."

I told them, "Great. You got practice because we're going to do it all again now in front of me."

They didn't try to pull anything like that again.

PS. And I hate to say this... but the non-Jews always gave me the most respect and did what I asked. It was the Yidden who were always trying to cheat and get away with things.

The next time you go to an affair, ask to speak to the Mashgiach and thank him for his services. I assure you he is not being over paid and he works hard for his money.

As to the comments about them "only catering to" and the consumers being orthodox or not ........ all yidden are required to hold up to the same level of kashrus ...... that they represented it was kosher and did not hold to that standard is not any less an offense than if they served only to shomrei mitzvot ............

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:58 PM Chaim Says:

Let's all calm down and take a deep breath... We are all so quick to accuse. It's disgusting how one article on this site can destroy someone's parnassah..... He definitely didn't sell shellfish or pork, as those items would have been found out in a millisecond... they taste different. There are too many who know how it tastes.. He is not even accused of serving shellfish and pork.. I am in the meat business. I have sold to morell kosher meats many times.. He has a mashgiach Temidi there right when you walk in. The Mashgiach signed all the invoices. He was under the Va'ad of Flatbush last i heard. He always had a mashgiach on premises. I doubt any of the allegations are true... It is very likely that all these allegations are false. The liquor may be true, who knows. It would have been impossible for him to be using treif meat, as far as i see it. It's all Lashon Hora... Probably Motzi Shem Rah.....Seems like an internal fight to me between the chefs and the owner..

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 04:08 PM Rachel W. Says:

Nothing's to be taken for granted anymore (actually should never have been). Every individual attending a simcha and planning to stay for dinner should look into the whole kashrus shpiel and determine whether it meets with his or her individual standard. Can't be bothered? No problem; eat at home. You'll never suffer 'heartburn' over having consumed a questionable caterer's non-kosher cuisine.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 04:08 PM Butterfly Says:

To #2 I agree with you. He should replace all the dishes and silverware, the pots depending what they are made of, should be kashered or replaced. The dishwashers will probably have to be replaced and all of of its parts. Then they can sue for damages, due to loss of time and income because the shul will not be able to use the facilities. A good lawyer can handle this case!!

42

 Feb 08, 2012 at 04:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
shredready Says:

like problem never happen at places with chassidshe mashgiach what a joke

recent monsey and there are more

See reply below to No. 26. They don't mention that they had chassidsehe hasgacha and a shanda like this would likely never have happened had there been a chassideshe mashgiach temide. They are the gold standard for kashruth observance.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 04:35 PM Yitzie Says:

#24....Just curious...Where does it say that he served shellfish and pork? Not of course that Im siding with this company by ANY stretch of the imagination. Yes, he deserves to be run out of business, out of town, and thrown in jail for fraud, misrepresentation, grand theft, among many others Im sure and forced to pay restitution to the hosts of those affairs. And yes, many times, the most ardent followers of Kashrut in hotels, and catering facilities, typically are NON-Jews...

Just my $0.02

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 04:59 PM luv_pancake Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

You didn't comment on the fact that he was mixing meat and fish which is stricty assur according to the gemorah (Pesachim 76b) ,Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah 116:2, the Rama, etc.). The fact that the meat and fish individually might have also been treif is another possible concern.

in case you didn't notice the meat was pork so it's 100% treif in any case

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 03:09 PM ExpatriateOwl Says:

In 2006, the hashgacha of their Woodbury operation went from Star-K to Vaad of Flatbush. http://www.kashrut.com/Alerts/?alert=A1767 .

But now, it seems that the Flatbush Vaad is denying having ever had anything to do with them.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:18 PM Voice-of-Reason Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

You didn't comment on the fact that he was mixing meat and fish which is stricty assur according to the gemorah (Pesachim 76b) ,Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah 116:2, the Rama, etc.). The fact that the meat and fish individually might have also been treif is another possible concern.

I'm not sure of shellfish are counted a fish as far as the issur you are referring to. They are shrutzim.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:19 PM ShmuelG Says:

"Morrell caters at Temple Israel in Lawrence, Temple Beth Torah in Melville and Woodbury Jewish Center in Woodbury."

Definitely some deformed out fit. Men, what did you expect from them?

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
janda3 Says:

he should also refund all the money he took from those catering events that were effected by this heinous act of his! it's almost like that incident in Monsey of the Glatt kosher butcher that was found to be selling treif meat. the pig should be put in jail & left to rot!

They don't even put child molestors in jail and leave them to rot, so why do you want this guy to? I see the one caterer from Monsey buying meat at the local A&P and they don't even sell kosher meat.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
smi613 Says:

Thank you for a valuable suggestion! "The next time you go to an affair, ask to speak to the Mashgiach and thank him for his services." ........... would it also be appropriate to ask where the ingredients came from and other questions (assuming one doesn't know the mashgiach personally)?

It's always appropriate to ask that question.

A mashgiach is happy to know that someone who cares about kashrus is attending the simcha.

Don't be surprised if he invites you into the kitchen.

I remember many affairs when chosheve rabbonim would ask me questions and it was always my delight to answer them.

If a mashgiach won't answer your questions - I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

But you have a right to ask and to get good answers.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:42 PM Not Pork Says:

Reply to #44  
luv_pancake Says:

in case you didn't notice the meat was pork so it's 100% treif in any case

What on earth are you talking about?
Simply making things up doesn't make it factual, and is its own issur of Motzi Shem Ra.

Nothing of the sort is even suspected of happening.

The issue is (according to the ones making the complaint) there wasn't proper separation between kosher and non-kosher items - and this raises a risk that kosher utensils may have come into contact with treif meat or shellfish during transport or during storage.

Nobody cooked pork with kosher meat.
Nobody passed-off pork as being kosher chicken or beef.
Nobody switched kosher and treif items just to deceive someone.

They are accused of not caring to be cognizant about maintaining a clear distinction between the (validly) kosher products and unsuitable food items from the owners' other businesses.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
ExpatriateOwl Says:

In 2006, the hashgacha of their Woodbury operation went from Star-K to Vaad of Flatbush. http://www.kashrut.com/Alerts/?alert=A1767 .

But now, it seems that the Flatbush Vaad is denying having ever had anything to do with them.

The Va'ad gives the hechsher on their Woodbury operation, which is glatt, and nobody is saying otherwise.

This complaint has to do with their Melville operation - which doesn't have anything to do with the va'ad.
Neither does their Lawrence operation have anything to do with the va'ad.

So yes, the va'ad is unconnected to this controversy at all.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:49 PM DanielBarbaz Says:

I have eaten in one of these places. The food was not that good. I am confident that it was strictly kosher lemehadrin.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 05:52 PM bosur-bosur Says:

He was under the Vaad of Flatbush in one place & under the Star-k in another place. the 3rd place? don't know

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 06:38 PM Babishka Says:

I don't know what is wrong with you people. Because some Jews belong to a non-Orthodox congregation, does that mean they SHOULD NOT BE allowed to eat kosher if they requested it and they are paying for it? What this business did was FRAUD.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 06:44 PM Mikey Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

See reply below to No. 26. They don't mention that they had chassidsehe hasgacha and a shanda like this would likely never have happened had there been a chassideshe mashgiach temide. They are the gold standard for kashruth observance.

Not sure if you are delusional or a complete idiot!
Anyhow, as someone who lives in the five towns and quite familiar with the area - Melville is about a 7 min drive away - I can tell you this caterer caters to the reform community and has nothin of what anyone frum would consider a good hashgachah

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 07:15 PM Halaivy Says:

Interesting how most posters defend them while when a Charedi is accused you have a lynch mob against him

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 07:34 PM Chaim Says:

Reply to #50  
Not Pork Says:

What on earth are you talking about?
Simply making things up doesn't make it factual, and is its own issur of Motzi Shem Ra.

Nothing of the sort is even suspected of happening.

The issue is (according to the ones making the complaint) there wasn't proper separation between kosher and non-kosher items - and this raises a risk that kosher utensils may have come into contact with treif meat or shellfish during transport or during storage.

Nobody cooked pork with kosher meat.
Nobody passed-off pork as being kosher chicken or beef.
Nobody switched kosher and treif items just to deceive someone.

They are accused of not caring to be cognizant about maintaining a clear distinction between the (validly) kosher products and unsuitable food items from the owners' other businesses.

A few points ...
1. It is not the caterer who is at fault... it is the hashgacha.... The Hashgacha is hired by the caterer to take care of the kashrut. The caterers as i have come to know them, don't want to be involved in it. The Hashgacha should have made sure that there was proper distinction between kosher and non kosher product.
2. Caterers are required to pay a full time mashgiach temidi, and have no keys to the freezer. It is either the Mashgiach who screwed up and allowed stuff to mix , or it was the workers who mixed it up and the Mashgiach is at fault for being asleep at the wheel.
3. In the event that it was Scott Morell who deliberately tricked the Mashgiach and brought in treif and deliberately mixed it up with the kosher (extremely unlikely) In order to gain nothing but have his keilim be treifed up... He should be shut down .
4. To take the words of disgruntled employees as truth...especially in a sensitive issue like this is just wrong on any level.
5. I have seen many times where it seemed stores did something wrong... and everyone was thinking "another monsey" only to find out that it was absolutely no issue whatsoever....let's all hold our tongues.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 08:14 PM somekid Says:

Wow! so after reading 57 posts i think i have an accurate picture of what happened. some establishment with a lousy hashgacha was just found out for what it is- a lousy hashgacha. this is not saying that i dont think every yid shouldnt get the highest standard of kashrus. its just you were never able to hold of the hashgacha in any place. if someone was convereted by a Reform temple, no one would think its a kosher conversion either! Halevai should us yidden get so riled up on other issues, such as Lashon Hara. when someone takes a "bite" of lashon hara they transgress on many more issurim than one would get for eating treif. hint all those posts with lashon hara the aveiros get multiplied by all who read them

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 08:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
DanielBarbaz Says:

I have eaten in one of these places. The food was not that good. I am confident that it was strictly kosher lemehadrin.

Whether they are deemed to be "dagim" or "shrutzim", most poskim hold that shellfish are mamash treifus, so the precise nomenclature is not important.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 08:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
DanielBarbaz Says:

I have eaten in one of these places. The food was not that good. I am confident that it was strictly kosher lemehadrin.

"The food was not that good. I am confident that it was strictly kosher lemehadrin.

Reply » Are you saying that because the food was "not good" that it must l'havdil mean that the food was kosher lemehadrin. While I agree that most strictly kosher food is not a culinary delight, I have had some decent meals so your generalization is not correct.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 09:02 PM 5Downer Says:

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Mikey Says:

Not sure if you are delusional or a complete idiot!
Anyhow, as someone who lives in the five towns and quite familiar with the area - Melville is about a 7 min drive away - I can tell you this caterer caters to the reform community and has nothin of what anyone frum would consider a good hashgachah

5 Towns to Melvile = 40 minutes. But you probably moved here from Brooklyn about 7 minutes ago.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 09:00 PM BLONDI Says:

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Babishka Says:

I don't know what is wrong with you people. Because some Jews belong to a non-Orthodox congregation, does that mean they SHOULD NOT BE allowed to eat kosher if they requested it and they are paying for it? What this business did was FRAUD.

well said. some people know that kosher meats are the purest and healthiest. and they are willing to pay for it.(think his name is kevin trudeau) same would be with organic produce and getting un-organic.

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 Feb 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM haltkup Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

Whether they are deemed to be "dagim" or "shrutzim", most poskim hold that shellfish are mamash treifus, so the precise nomenclature is not important.

he was talking about the danger of eating fish and meat sacanta chamira meisurah

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 Feb 09, 2012 at 12:10 AM frater Says:

My mom worked in a Jewish restaurant years ago. The owner was an elderly Jewish lady. Once, my mom noticed that the meat they were using for stuffing had some pork mixed in it. She spoke to the owner who responded that it doesn't matter because the clients won't know ;)

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 Feb 09, 2012 at 01:42 AM Real World Says:

I am FFB and the child of baalie tshuva. Almost all of our relatives had "kosher" affairs without supervision or without a reliable mashgiach (the supervisor was often not shomer kashrus). Whenever you go to a simcha in a place you haven't been before and where the hosts are not strict on kashrus, it's important to meet the mashgiach. This is common practice in EY.

It is very common for catering halls and hotels to offer both kosher and non-kosher options. I many cases the mashgiach will bring in a team and kasher everything before every kosher simcha. Separate kitchens are not needed, but a valid mashgiach is. It is the responsibility of the shomer mitzvos to do his own research.

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 Feb 09, 2012 at 12:46 PM concerned_Jew Says:

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Anonymous Says:

You think they discovered this just yesterday?

Nonsense.

They just decided to go public.

Is there Hashgacha? No.

I once worked as a Mashgiach at one of these places. I came in at 6 AM to kasher and they told me, "Rabbi, we kosherized everything last night."

I told them, "Great. You got practice because we're going to do it all again now in front of me."

They didn't try to pull anything like that again.

PS. And I hate to say this... but the non-Jews always gave me the most respect and did what I asked. It was the Yidden who were always trying to cheat and get away with things.

The next time you go to an affair, ask to speak to the Mashgiach and thank him for his services. I assure you he is not being over paid and he works hard for his money.

Both Jews and non Jews have an obligation to be honest in business and not misrepresent.

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 Feb 09, 2012 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
The Professor Says:

Your proposed solution is much too gentle. He is in violation of NY State law if he served tarfus as kosher. He is eligible for fines and jail time. Personally, I don't think that the installation of any mashgiach, chassidic or otherwise, will allow the firm to regain its tarnished reputation and integrity. If the charges are true, all guilty parties should be run out of the industry - after serving their sentences!

They will just reopen after a couple of months under a different name.

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 Feb 09, 2012 at 12:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
frater Says:

My mom worked in a Jewish restaurant years ago. The owner was an elderly Jewish lady. Once, my mom noticed that the meat they were using for stuffing had some pork mixed in it. She spoke to the owner who responded that it doesn't matter because the clients won't know ;)

I don't understand how people can be so uncaring or so willing to cut corners to save a $. Where are the ethics?

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 Feb 09, 2012 at 03:56 PM mrsmaytag99 Says:

To be honest we had a Glatt Kosher Wedding there 2 1/2 yrs ago and it was pleasant (though expensive) to deal with Scott Morrell to plan the affair. Everything was catered by Scott and the Mashgiach was the Vaad of Flatbush. You people can make all the comments you wish to make but the truth is something that is being concealed here. Surest way to sue is to claim treif and we all jump to dumb conclusions. The Vaad stated very clear to us that they had never had a problem with Scott Morrell. Thus the sense of trust then and the sense of trust now

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