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Jerusalem - MK Yisrael Eichler (United Torah Judaism) was removed from a Knesset Women’s Committee meeting this week, after he called members of the Reform Movement “anti-Semites.”

Reform Movement representatives present the Knesset’s Committee on the Status of Women with a report about women’s exclusion in Israel, at which point Eichler lashed out at them for being “anti-Semites who hate Israel,” adding that the “Reform Jews are worse than our enemies.”

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Committee Chairwoman MK Tzipi Hotovely (Likud) removed him from the meeting over his “unacceptable behavior.”

MK Eichler told Hotovely that by including Reform Jews in the committee, “she marked herself as an enemy of the Haredi Judaism.” He further threatened that “Hotovely would pay for her actions.”

The Reform Movement announced that they are planning to file a complaint with the Knesset Ethics Committee over MK Eichler’s “inciting words.”


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 Mar 03, 2012 at 11:24 PM MosheM Says:

How right he is!

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 Mar 03, 2012 at 11:41 PM berelw Says:

what an idiot....instead of showing that charaidim are intelligent and can add to society...his behavior demonstrated the opposite....charadim are primitive closeminded out of touch and cannot be taken seriously.

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 Mar 03, 2012 at 11:52 PM Anonymous Says:

This was not the first time this behama was forcibly removed from the Kenesset for his disgusting behavior and demonstration of true sinas chinam. Its unfortunate that the rules of the Knesset do not allow for his expulsion but that is clearly what is necessary.

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 Mar 03, 2012 at 11:56 PM qazxc Says:

What was he thinking?

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 Mar 03, 2012 at 11:56 PM thegabmeister Says:

Excellent, this is just what we need, such ahavas Yisroel.

I assume that he does not see the irony in the fact that by exhibiting this level of hatred against his fellow Jews, Semites themselves, irrespective of their level of observance, he has in fact just shown himself to be...that's right...an Anti-Semite...

Such sinas chinam worked so beautifully for us 2000 years ago...

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

what an idiot....instead of showing that charaidim are intelligent and can add to society...his behavior demonstrated the opposite....charadim are primitive closeminded out of touch and cannot be taken seriously.

and your an anti semite!

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:01 AM Reb Yid Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

what an idiot....instead of showing that charaidim are intelligent and can add to society...his behavior demonstrated the opposite....charadim are primitive closeminded out of touch and cannot be taken seriously.

Even if they are correct?

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:01 AM Anonymous Says:

So not Belz style. I'm surprised at Belz for letting him embarrass them.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:02 AM Avreich1 Says:

"MK Eichler told Hotovely that by including Reform Jews in the committee, 'she marked herself as an enemy of the Haredi Judaism.' He further threatened that 'Hotovely would pay for her actions.'"

I was thinking only yesterday that, only in the course of the last twelve months, how much and how sharply the public image of ultra-Orthodox Jewry in Israel has deteriorated.

It is when an elected representative of the charedi cause makes spiteful and stupid remarks, such as those mentioned in the article, that the overall cause of the charedim suffers - and suffers badly.

Eichler is no longer an asset to UTJ, but rather a millstone around its corporate neck. Millstones around the neck are a direct cause of drowning.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
MosheM Says:

How right he is!

YOU and your ilk are the true anti Semites.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:11 AM Anonymous Says:

How right he is, israels biggest problem today is not the iranians nor the Palestinians, its the liberal self hating jews, they try to out gentile the gentiles with their israel bashing, which ultimately only creates more jew hatred, which affects these liberal jews as well, you won't find an anti israel platform that doesn't have jews on it, be it the ships trying to run the gaza blockade or the "divest from israel" creeps , always us jews, can't figure this out . As its written מהרסיך ומחרביך ממך יצאו

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:39 AM eighthcomment Says:

The reform agenda is anti Gd and His Torah. They will push for things including judaism going down through paternal chains which is dangerous! Why they are NOT considered the extremists boggles my mind!

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:47 AM harryw Says:

All of this makes the satmar rebbe r` yoel zt`l look like a genious. Israel is a loosing proposition and the kneset is one big joke. If there are 5 people on a commite then there is 5 diffrent opinions. What an embarrasment.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 01:11 AM Dovid_from_Modiin Says:

It has long been the policy of the Dati communities world wide not recognizing the reform and conservative "movements". We do recognize them as individuals Jews.

Most Israelis don't believe in the Reform and Conservative movement even if they are not religious and especially those who have not spent any significant time in chul.

I'm surprise that MK Tzipi Hotovely would sit down with a member of the reform movement representing the movement.

MK Yisrael Eichler actions were correct but should have made a different and stronger argument why the reform movement should not be included in the committee.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 02:57 AM leahle Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

How right he is, israels biggest problem today is not the iranians nor the Palestinians, its the liberal self hating jews, they try to out gentile the gentiles with their israel bashing, which ultimately only creates more jew hatred, which affects these liberal jews as well, you won't find an anti israel platform that doesn't have jews on it, be it the ships trying to run the gaza blockade or the "divest from israel" creeps , always us jews, can't figure this out . As its written מהרסיך ומחרביך ממך יצאו

Your comment is so wrong on so many levels. Just because they don't believe in halachic Judaism doesn't mean they are self-hating, hate Israel, or are even liberal. When you consider the number of Reform Jews who attend Chabad events, how can you say they all hate the charedi? They generally want what the frum want - to not have someone else's beliefs forced on them. It is very possible to disagree with their beliefs without being personally insulting ( and yes, the same goes for those non-observant who are nasty to the frum).

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 04:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Anti-Semites they are not - after all, a significant segment support various pro-Arab initiatives. But anti-Torah and anti-Jewish they most definitely are, and have always been, from their earliest days of defaming Orthodox practices to the German authorities, through their total destruction of American Jewish practice, to their latest initiative to destroy Judaism in Israel. Of course their reasoning is always suited to the flavour of the month and the particular society they have infiltrated, but their ultimate goal has never changed.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 05:10 AM Upset Says:

Reply to #2, #3, #5, and #6
The Reform movement has caused so much damage to our people which encourages intermarriage and performs interfaith marriages. They speak and claim to represent all Jews and push the liberal agenda which causes US Jews to be hated in the US. They have damaged Israel and have cost Israeli lives by influencing US politicians that Israel should be forced to make peace with terrorists. The statement made by MK Eichler is more than true and was not strong enough. The Reform are both spititual and physical murders of our people! The Talmud tells us it is a mitzvah to hate the wicked!

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 07:10 AM JustThinking Says:

The discussion of being right or wrong is irrelevant
I'm sure everyone can agree that such a childish reaction is not what will bring all reform Jews back to the mainstream.
Sometimes I wonder if some of these people actually want the reform Jews to do Teshuva, often it looks like, they are just worried abouttheir political position.
We have hundreds of thousands of Haredim in Israel, can't they find a man more suited for this job?

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 07:54 AM jewishcat Says:

Haredi Judaism has made itself an enemy of Israel and Jews in general.
This is certainly not something that was inevitable. Israel badly needs a constitution separating religion and state.
Many enemies of Jews and Israel really love what the haredi are doing.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 08:00 AM rabbiyisroel Says:

"Reform Movement representatives present the Knesset’s Committee on the Status of Women with a report"
The reform rep was not on the committee but was presenting a view to a government committee. They have every right to express their views, whether you care for those views or not, to a government committee just like every other citizen.

Let's see, Purim is in a few days. Chazal tell us that H-man's observation that the Jews are mefuzad u'mefurad was a statement revealing the lack of achdus among the Jews. It is the lack of achdus amongst klal Yisroel that enabled him to rise to power.
Please explain to me how the behavior of MK Eichler or the attitudes so many frum /charedi people have is going to bring Jews who are not aware of the beauty of Torah and mitzvos closer to Hashem? Why would anyone want to be part of something that seethes with ugliness and hatred?
How about reaching out to those who are far away by demonstrating the beauty of Torah. How about showing Ahavas Chinam toward our less knowledgeable Jewish brothers and sisters?

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 08:20 AM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #19  
JustThinking Says:

The discussion of being right or wrong is irrelevant
I'm sure everyone can agree that such a childish reaction is not what will bring all reform Jews back to the mainstream.
Sometimes I wonder if some of these people actually want the reform Jews to do Teshuva, often it looks like, they are just worried abouttheir political position.
We have hundreds of thousands of Haredim in Israel, can't they find a man more suited for this job?

"Sometimes I wonder if some of these people actually want the reform Jews to do Teshuva, often it looks like, they are just worried abouttheir political position."


I get that same feeling...

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 08:25 AM sechelyoshor Says:

In the Knesset as in other bodies of legislature all around the world, it's all about who is on the committee. The committee makes important policies, even if they are voted on later. Seeing that an opponent of his views was put on the committee, he was already being told UTJ was not going to have their way, so in he his anger he blasted the person who appointed the people on the committee.

But really, is that who represents the chareidim in the public forum? Is there no civil way to speak? What a Chillul Hashem! Is that how he talks to people outside the Knesset who do things he doesn't like? Do y'all think he should get a job in kiruv? I heard Belz has been doing kiruv for years!

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 08:47 AM Barsechel Says:

Reply to #16  
leahle Says:

Your comment is so wrong on so many levels. Just because they don't believe in halachic Judaism doesn't mean they are self-hating, hate Israel, or are even liberal. When you consider the number of Reform Jews who attend Chabad events, how can you say they all hate the charedi? They generally want what the frum want - to not have someone else's beliefs forced on them. It is very possible to disagree with their beliefs without being personally insulting ( and yes, the same goes for those non-observant who are nasty to the frum).

For well over 300 years the greatest danger facing Religious Judaism is Reform, all Rabbanim of every Chug- charedi - Dati Leumi Sefard and Ashkenaz ALL without exception believe that Reform has NO PLACE within Judaism and therefore Likud should not embrace them.
This is simple and up to no Arguments, being Reform is same as being Jews for Jesus or being a Christian.
I can tell you for sure that no Chabad Rabbi accepts Reform in their community meaning that no obne accepts Reform philosophy.
Now someone may come from a Reform background and Chabad and others may be willing to work with him or her on an individual basis to show and teach them the right jewish path, however there is no one who accepts Reform execept the Goyim as anything to do with Yahadut.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 09:39 AM hey_you_never_know Says:

Reply to #6  
thegabmeister Says:

Excellent, this is just what we need, such ahavas Yisroel.

I assume that he does not see the irony in the fact that by exhibiting this level of hatred against his fellow Jews, Semites themselves, irrespective of their level of observance, he has in fact just shown himself to be...that's right...an Anti-Semite...

Such sinas chinam worked so beautifully for us 2000 years ago...

I think before anyone speaks out you should know a fact or 2, the reform jews are not all Jewish, they are ok with inter- pmarriage and don't keep the convert halocha....so he's very write...

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 10:13 AM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

How right he is, israels biggest problem today is not the iranians nor the Palestinians, its the liberal self hating jews, they try to out gentile the gentiles with their israel bashing, which ultimately only creates more jew hatred, which affects these liberal jews as well, you won't find an anti israel platform that doesn't have jews on it, be it the ships trying to run the gaza blockade or the "divest from israel" creeps , always us jews, can't figure this out . As its written מהרסיך ומחרביך ממך יצאו

You mean like nk. You mean like various chassidic groups, You mean like...Wait a second you can't mean them. They certainly are not liberal self hating Jews. You mean anyone you disagree with.
At the time of the nazis I am sure you would have stated the problem was self hating liberal Jews. No, the problem is all those people, including some frum people, who believe that they personally have the only answer, politically and religiously. Anyone else is a self hating liberal Jew.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 10:30 AM eighthcomment Says:

Reply to #26  
clear-thinker Says:

You mean like nk. You mean like various chassidic groups, You mean like...Wait a second you can't mean them. They certainly are not liberal self hating Jews. You mean anyone you disagree with.
At the time of the nazis I am sure you would have stated the problem was self hating liberal Jews. No, the problem is all those people, including some frum people, who believe that they personally have the only answer, politically and religiously. Anyone else is a self hating liberal Jew.

U make it sound like there is no contempt for the NK from frum Jews! They are a danger to us JUST as REFORM Jews are! Therefore, if u can't stand the NK u should NOT stand the Reform movement which is not even Jewish but make believe they are! That's even more dangerous than the NK who at least we KNOW to stay away from!

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 10:33 AM a nelson Says:

the real issue is which reform Jews are Jews? some are, many if not most are not. Due to intermarriage rates of up to 70+% ( usually the woman is the goy) many people thinking themselves as being Jewish are not

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 10:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Likutei Amarim, end of Chapter 32

ומה שכתוב בגמרא שמי שרואה בחבירו שחטא, מצוה לשנאותו, וגם לומר לרבו שישנאהו

As for the Talmudic statement 1 that if one sees his friend sinning, he should hate him, and should also relate the fact to his teacher so that he too will hate him, — how does this conform with what was said above?

היינו בחבירו בתורה ומצות

This applies only to one’s companion — one’s equal— in the study of Torah and the observance of the mitzvot.

The sinner in question is a Torah-observant scholar, but has lapsed in this one instance. In this case his sin is much more severe than usual, since it is written that even the inadvertent misdeeds of a scholar are as grave as deliberate sins. 2 But even this general assumption of the gravity of his conduct is not sufficient cause to hate him, as the Alter Rebbe continues. Yet another condition must first be satisfied:

וכבר קיים בו מצות הוכח תוכיח את עמיתך, עם שאתך בתורה ובמצות, ואף על פי כן לא שב מחטאו, כמו שכתוב בספר חרדים

He has also fulfilled with him — with the sinner — the injunction, 3 “You shall repeatedly rebuke your friend.” The word used here for “your friend” (עמיתך) also indicates, as the Talmud points out4 עם ש

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 11:42 AM Dr. E Says:

Before someone like that speaks, he should ask himself whether he would say the same thing after 4 hours of reciting Eicha and Kinos on Tisha B'Av. If in this case the answer is 'yes' then we will have many more Tisha B'Avs on the floor.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 12:19 PM Babishka Says:

Absolutely disgusting. I was raised as a Reform Jew. The reason that I left the temple was simply that I found most members indifferent to Judaism, even according to their interpretation. What a terrible thing to say about other Jews.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:

In the past ten years, my family has donated over ten million dollars to Israel. We are reform Jews and proud of it! However, the tides are changing and we will stop the donations as of this month because of everything happening in Israel. Sloan Kettering appreciates our money much more than this group of Israelis does.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 01:31 PM shredready Says:

let see the reform join the idf and fight for the Israel

the herdiem do not join the army or even do community service

who hates Israel

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 02:04 PM Anonymous Says:

The real problem is that its the older reform jews who are the issue. The young under say 30 you should offer repreive. They do not konw right from wrong and have no Torah Exposure. The older members who in many cases want an easy going atmosphere where they can sit with their wives etc and not be bothered by Torah Law are the issue. And they will fight you until they are dead.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 02:15 PM jewishcat Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

In the past ten years, my family has donated over ten million dollars to Israel. We are reform Jews and proud of it! However, the tides are changing and we will stop the donations as of this month because of everything happening in Israel. Sloan Kettering appreciates our money much more than this group of Israelis does.

Excellent response. It's time the 'religious' stopped stepping on reform and secular Jews.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 03:11 PM kzler Says:

To all you halacha experts and true jews of course the reform Jews are antisemites except Himmler, Heydrich and Eichmann had diffferent thoughts and reform Jews, Bundisten, Yeshiva men and boys all marched into the gas chambers of Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor and inhaled Zyklon B [prussic acid] the perfect achdus. A lady named Henrietta Szold organized the Youth Aliyah movement which saved thousand of young boys , some of my friends and the rest of my friends are listed perished by the Yad Vashem. Of course the treifene Tzionym saved their lives. True Yiddishkeit spitting on an an 8 year old, having a meeting with American nAZIS and cursing Israel. You are a bunch of fools. By the way Ms. Szold was a reform Jew. In Buchenwald I would have spat on you.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 04:03 PM anonymous Says:

The gains made by the reform is due to the lack of ahavas yisroel displayed by Orthodox. Spitting on little girls, having a website where Israel is cursed, giving an interview to a German magazine with world wide circulation and cursing Israel, a Jewish website which praises the Iranian premier and on this website you denigrate the President has made orthodoxy to a shmatte or a religous rag

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

The real problem is that its the older reform jews who are the issue. The young under say 30 you should offer repreive. They do not konw right from wrong and have no Torah Exposure. The older members who in many cases want an easy going atmosphere where they can sit with their wives etc and not be bothered by Torah Law are the issue. And they will fight you until they are dead.

"The real problem is that its the older reform jews who are the issue. The young under say 30 you should offer repreive. They do not konw right from wrong and have no Torah Exposure. "

How many of the younger reform Jews have been caught abusing their kinder? How many have been indicted for fraud? The young have Torah exposure and are more trustworthy than any of your sect.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 04:47 PM leahle Says:

Reply to #24  
Barsechel Says:

For well over 300 years the greatest danger facing Religious Judaism is Reform, all Rabbanim of every Chug- charedi - Dati Leumi Sefard and Ashkenaz ALL without exception believe that Reform has NO PLACE within Judaism and therefore Likud should not embrace them.
This is simple and up to no Arguments, being Reform is same as being Jews for Jesus or being a Christian.
I can tell you for sure that no Chabad Rabbi accepts Reform in their community meaning that no obne accepts Reform philosophy.
Now someone may come from a Reform background and Chabad and others may be willing to work with him or her on an individual basis to show and teach them the right jewish path, however there is no one who accepts Reform execept the Goyim as anything to do with Yahadut.

You missed my point. No one is saying that Halacha observers should accept the Reform practice. They should not, however, insult the integrity of Reform Jews on a personal level. You may think that RJ is the biggest danger to Judaism, but there is another side to the story. If it weren't for RJ, millions of Jews would be unaffiliated AT ALL with the Jewish community. The kids would get no Jewish education and absolutely no mitzvot would be observed. If you think these people would automatically become frum if RJ were abolished, you're kidding yourself.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 05:09 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

In the past ten years, my family has donated over ten million dollars to Israel. We are reform Jews and proud of it! However, the tides are changing and we will stop the donations as of this month because of everything happening in Israel. Sloan Kettering appreciates our money much more than this group of Israelis does.

What group of Israelis? The commenters here are mostly from Brooklyn. How many seats in the Knesset do you think UTJ has? You, I take it, believe in democracy. In a democracy people get to say what they believe in. The majority of Israelis do not follow, nor vote, for UTJ. You can give your money wherever you wish. Still, what will you do when one doctor at Sloan Kettering says something you disagree with?

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
harryw Says:

All of this makes the satmar rebbe r` yoel zt`l look like a genious. Israel is a loosing proposition and the kneset is one big joke. If there are 5 people on a commite then there is 5 diffrent opinions. What an embarrasment.

Actually, harry, it makes the rav look like a joke since contrary to his prediction, EY has emerged as the most sucessful and vibrant economy in the Middle East, in addition to providing a live-saving refuge for over a million jewish refugees from Russia, Etheopia, the other Arab nations, and all over the world. Please don't suggest the rebbe's hatred of the same tzionim, who helped rescue him from the nazis, is somehow somthing positive that we should applaud.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 06:00 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Babishka Says:

Absolutely disgusting. I was raised as a Reform Jew. The reason that I left the temple was simply that I found most members indifferent to Judaism, even according to their interpretation. What a terrible thing to say about other Jews.

My wife too was raised reform and is the kindest, finest person on this world and my children are all shomer shabbes , so am and of course my lovely wife. My mother defined the issue in a more simple manner. In Yiddish there is a saying "fun chazer hair ken min nisht machen a strajmel and in English there there is an equivalent. You cannot make silk purse from a sow's ear. There are reform who are refined and truly kind and orthodox whom I cannot define in refind or civil terms. Be well Babishka and my dear wife listened to my horror of 4 years of concnetration camp.

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 07:59 PM NotSure Says:

And what are simply 'non religious' Jews?

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 08:11 PM eton mizrachi Says:

Every yid should reform each night before hamapil ,and conserve all the old minhagim ,and reconstruct the original derech hatoreh. I teach reformed jews the are sweet people the are not antisemites chas vesholom only anti Torah and anti Hashem , Besides that they are great

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 Mar 04, 2012 at 09:09 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
eton mizrachi Says:

Every yid should reform each night before hamapil ,and conserve all the old minhagim ,and reconstruct the original derech hatoreh. I teach reformed jews the are sweet people the are not antisemites chas vesholom only anti Torah and anti Hashem , Besides that they are great

your rambling posting makes no sense. Reform Jews have a neshomo not from a laboratory but who gave your and my neshomo so treat them properly and respect even though you do not agree with them

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 Mar 05, 2012 at 12:37 AM PMOinFL Says:

Can we all just agree that "Reform Judaism" is a made-up, phony religion that did not exist (in its current version) before WWII?

This is ridiculous. "Reform Judaism" is NOT Judaism. It is a laughable joke made up by mostly xian clergy. We should not care what these people think. These are Jews who are practicing a religion that is FAR closer to xianity than to Judaism and we should all be somewhat sickened by how the Reform leadership has suckered Jews into this cult of nonsense.

I know there are some "Reform" folks who read this, and I'm sorry to say that is the truth. "Reform" is a man-made invention that has NOTHING to do with Judaism. Period. I only wish you find your way to Torah one day.

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 Mar 05, 2012 at 08:41 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #46  
PMOinFL Says:

Can we all just agree that "Reform Judaism" is a made-up, phony religion that did not exist (in its current version) before WWII?

This is ridiculous. "Reform Judaism" is NOT Judaism. It is a laughable joke made up by mostly xian clergy. We should not care what these people think. These are Jews who are practicing a religion that is FAR closer to xianity than to Judaism and we should all be somewhat sickened by how the Reform leadership has suckered Jews into this cult of nonsense.

I know there are some "Reform" folks who read this, and I'm sorry to say that is the truth. "Reform" is a man-made invention that has NOTHING to do with Judaism. Period. I only wish you find your way to Torah one day.

And words like yours from a person who supposedly lives by the Torah will certainly inspire members of Reform congregations to come closer to Torah UMitsvos.

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 Mar 06, 2012 at 12:10 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #36  
kzler Says:

To all you halacha experts and true jews of course the reform Jews are antisemites except Himmler, Heydrich and Eichmann had diffferent thoughts and reform Jews, Bundisten, Yeshiva men and boys all marched into the gas chambers of Birkenau, Treblinka, Sobibor and inhaled Zyklon B [prussic acid] the perfect achdus. A lady named Henrietta Szold organized the Youth Aliyah movement which saved thousand of young boys , some of my friends and the rest of my friends are listed perished by the Yad Vashem. Of course the treifene Tzionym saved their lives. True Yiddishkeit spitting on an an 8 year old, having a meeting with American nAZIS and cursing Israel. You are a bunch of fools. By the way Ms. Szold was a reform Jew. In Buchenwald I would have spat on you.

What a crazy comment. Nobody says that being frum makes you a "true Jew". BIRTHRIGHT or geirus (conversion) according to HALACHA (not some ridiculous doctrine made up in the last 75 years) define who is Jewish and not.

When we say "reform" we don't just mean the majority of Jews who couldnt' give a hoot what Torah is or what halacha is. In fact, if you spoke to almost any person identifying as "reform" in America, they couldn't even tell you what halacha is.

We accept that 90 of non-orthodox Jews just don't know any better. If the "rabbi" tells them something, they accept it. Most people don't realize that the modern incarnation of "reform" which in no way resembles Torah Judaism, was created by men about 85 years ago. Less than HALF of them were even Jewish according to the Torah.

We do not have a problem with those who are just ignorant and don't understand. They don't know any better, and that really is the overwhelming majority of Jews (especially in America). We have a problem with the snake-oil salesmen and fraudsters who created "reform" as a way of deceiving people and pushing them toward xianity. That's all that reform has accomplished.

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 Mar 06, 2012 at 12:19 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #47  
qazxc Says:

And words like yours from a person who supposedly lives by the Torah will certainly inspire members of Reform congregations to come closer to Torah UMitsvos.

Actually I work in kiruv. I am very careful to explain to Jews or are ignorant of Torah and halacha. They don't realize the scam they have fallen victim to until they see it for themselves. 90% of these folks don't even know that "reform" is not Judaism and has nothing to do with Judaism. Their fake nonsense never holds up to scrutiny.

HONESTY will always be the best policy here. We should be sensitive to those who fell victim, but we MUST be honest. Torah is truth and while we are sensitive, TRUTH is the most important thing.

These people are indoctrinated to believe that we Orthodox just have a "different interpretation". I hear that so often. This is what they are told. It hurts me when I see these poor people being lied to.

When a Jewish man marries a goyishe woman, the reform will tell them their child is Jewish. One day, that girl may find her way to Torah and never know the truth until it is too late... until she is married or C"V has children.

I know that not every Yid will find their way to Torah, but to EVER allow the idea that "reform" is in any way legitimate or represents anything remotely Jewish is dishonest... in fact, it is an outright FRAUD.

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