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Jerusalem - Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger publicly declared that women are allowed, according to Halachah (Jewish law), to lead the Passover Seder, and it is even obligatory to allow women to read parts of the Haggadah,

Metzger addressed the issue during his sermon over the weekend at the Great Shabbat (Shabbat Hagadol) celebration at the Jerusalem Great Synagogue. The Great Shabbat celebration, observed on the Shabbat before Passover, includes a special Haftarah reading (a portion from either the Prophets or the Writings read on Shabbat, which usually correlates with the week’s Torah portion) and a lengthy sermon to the community on Saturday afternoon.

Metzger delivered his sermon to hundreds of people, explaining that in the event that a woman’s husband is not at home – serving in reserves duty or traveling outside the country for example - the woman is allowed to lead the Seder herself. Metzger noted that many religious people are unfamiliar with this Halachah, which was recently reiterated in a book by the late Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, citing the rulings of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.

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Metzger added that even if the husband is at home on the night of the Seder, the family should rotate reading sections of the Haggadah and the wives and daughters should read as well. He says that it is forbidden that the women only hear the Haggadah, they must also be part of telling the story of the Exodus from Egypt.

“People think that in deference to modesty, they should forbid women from reading aloud. Many religious people do not know it, but there is actually a law [against this],” Metzger told Israel Hayom on Saturday night.

“A negative impression regarding the exclusion of women has become prevalent,” he added. “Women aren’t excluded from everything. When it comes to such an important mitzvah (commandment), which only happens once a year and tells the entire exodus from Egypt, women are a key part of the event.”


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 Apr 01, 2012 at 03:47 PM ajst Says:

"a special Haftarah reading (a portion from either the Prophets or the Writings read on Shabbat,."

What haftarah comes from the Writings?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 03:52 PM enlightened-yid Says:

Why are so many people unfamiliar with this halacha? What's the point of all those yeshiva for life students if they don't learn such important halachos? Reform and Conservative shuls know this halacha well and their women lead Seders.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 03:57 PM anonymous613 Says:

Reply to #1  
ajst Says:

"a special Haftarah reading (a portion from either the Prophets or the Writings read on Shabbat,."

What haftarah comes from the Writings?

divrei hayamim

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:00 PM Ben Dover Says:

Woman can also lead Sheva Brachot !

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:07 PM AlbertEinstein Says:

Reply to #2  
enlightened-yid Says:

Why are so many people unfamiliar with this halacha? What's the point of all those yeshiva for life students if they don't learn such important halachos? Reform and Conservative shuls know this halacha well and their women lead Seders.

Note that Rabbi Metzger restricted his psak about a woman leading the seder to the "woman of the house" in a family setting. I doubt he would condone the kind of reform and conservative "seders" you refer to altogether, let alone being led by a woman.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:09 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

So... We men are gonna sit like goilemes and let these women take everything over, eh?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Regardless whether Rabbi Metzker is right or wrong, you quote him as if he were a TORAH scholar. He is simply a political hack that was appointed in a political process. No one looks up to him for any TORAH values or halacha.
He may be a wonderful person but what?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:18 PM esther Says:

Reply to #2  
enlightened-yid Says:

Why are so many people unfamiliar with this halacha? What's the point of all those yeshiva for life students if they don't learn such important halachos? Reform and Conservative shuls know this halacha well and their women lead Seders.

please enlighten your self re halacha in the conservative and reform "movements".reform doesn't follow halacha at all while conservative has a board which poskens but obviously not according to our mesorah.this is hardly something to emulate.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:19 PM Sociologist Says:

Reply to #6  
FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

So... We men are gonna sit like goilemes and let these women take everything over, eh?

Unfortunately many men do not even reach the level of the Golem.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:20 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #6  
FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

So... We men are gonna sit like goilemes and let these women take everything over, eh?

In the z'chus of noshim tzidkonios were the B'nai Yisroel taken out of Egypt. There never was anything ossur about women taking part in the seder in a family setting. If you are to consider yourself to be a golem simply by letting your wife and daughters take part in the reading of the Hagoddoh, fella' -you've got big problems!

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:31 PM Rachel W. Says:

Reply to #2  
enlightened-yid Says:

Why are so many people unfamiliar with this halacha? What's the point of all those yeshiva for life students if they don't learn such important halachos? Reform and Conservative shuls know this halacha well and their women lead Seders.

Why are you bringing in Reform and Conservative? What has this discussion to do with them? They make their own rules. This discourse enlightens the orthodox who may be under a misconception that leading the seder is a male thing only, and at the same time also emphasizes that the mitzvah of sippur yetzias mitzrayim is obligatory of women as well as men. This info is especially pertinent to divorced, widowed or single women finding themselves on seder night without adult male presence. And lest I be called on my failure to mention the married woman who sits with her husband and family... by no means is she to be relegated to the role of silent participant but should let her voice be heard as an active contributor.
But who doesn't know this already? Females of all ages, from childhood on, have forever enhanced the seder with their insight and input, and plenty of it.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 04:34 PM Mark Levin Says:

Reply to #3  
anonymous613 Says:

divrei hayamim

Which haftora comes from there?!?!?!?


Don't think too hard. You may blow a head gasket or something.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 05:03 PM Levi Says:

What next? Allow them to work?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 05:10 PM R Says:

Perfect example of how modern and trending ideas such as equality can distort true halacha. Now I see why no one takes this man seriously.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Metzger is a big Am H'aretz a bar mitzvah boy from any yeshivah, know's halacha better than him

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 05:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

So... We men are gonna sit like goilemes and let these women take everything over, eh?

Why do you feel threatened if a woman reads a couple of passages at the seder? Are they only good for cleaning/cooking/supporting the family/having the children/taking care of the children?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 06:12 PM ann: Says:

To #15
I hope the yeshiva boys you speak of have more derech cheretz than you.
Monday morning Rav Metzger will have people stand when he walks into a room- you on the other hand will have people wondering who left the barn door open !

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 06:31 PM eighthcomment Says:

Reply to #2  
enlightened-yid Says:

Why are so many people unfamiliar with this halacha? What's the point of all those yeshiva for life students if they don't learn such important halachos? Reform and Conservative shuls know this halacha well and their women lead Seders.

LOL. I highly doubt they do it because of halacha.chances are, reform leaders thought it was against halacha for a woman to lead the seder, so in their ignorance they made sure that the women lead it-

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 06:20 PM Reb Hersh Says:

If there is a man than he should lead as he is obligated to eat reclinong unlike females. These modern orthodox are distorting yiddishkeit. I just read that some of these quaks are putting a tomatoe to symbolize the poor workers and oranges for toeva marriage and rights. Sick and getting sicker.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 06:57 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Regardless whether Rabbi Metzker is right or wrong, you quote him as if he were a TORAH scholar. He is simply a political hack that was appointed in a political process. No one looks up to him for any TORAH values or halacha.
He may be a wonderful person but what?

Nothing like a bit of chilul Torah and lashon Ho-roh to start the week. I dare say that there are many people in Israel who do view him as a scholar. If you don't agree with his piskei halocho, that is your privilege. However, how dare you call him names?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 07:00 PM Modern Yid Says:

To #19- Reb Hersh- Why do you, and some other commentators on this board feel so threatened by what you refer to as "the modern Orthodox". Are they considered "trefe" by you? Does everyone have to wear a streimel, frock coat, gartel, and have payot and a long beard, in order to be considered as an "acceptable Jew"? Anytime there is a ruling which gives more responsibilities to a woman, the rumbling and mumbling begins! As Abba Eban stated at the United Nations during the Six Day War, "Most clocks move forward, and not backwards".

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 07:02 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #19  
Reb Hersh Says:

If there is a man than he should lead as he is obligated to eat reclinong unlike females. These modern orthodox are distorting yiddishkeit. I just read that some of these quaks are putting a tomatoe to symbolize the poor workers and oranges for toeva marriage and rights. Sick and getting sicker.

Get your facts (and your spelling) straight. It isn't the modern Orthodox advocating tomatoes and oranges on the ka'arah. It's other "branches" of Judaism that are suggesting shinu-im. Rabbi Lau clearly said that the woman should lead if the husband isn't present. He didn't say that the woman should lead in place of her husband.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 07:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Regardless whether Rabbi Metzker is right or wrong, you quote him as if he were a TORAH scholar. He is simply a political hack that was appointed in a political process. No one looks up to him for any TORAH values or halacha.
He may be a wonderful person but what?

You should be crawling on your knees begging mechila from Rav Metzger, shlita who is both a highly respected public leader and a great talmid chacham, tzadik and gadol hador. How dare you make such disrepectful comments about the rav just days before yom tov!!

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 07:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Reb Hersh Says:

If there is a man than he should lead as he is obligated to eat reclinong unlike females. These modern orthodox are distorting yiddishkeit. I just read that some of these quaks are putting a tomatoe to symbolize the poor workers and oranges for toeva marriage and rights. Sick and getting sicker.

Dear Reb Hersh; You are no "reb" but definitely an am haoretz who yourself is distorting yiddeshekiet. A woman can eat reclining whether she has a chiyuv to do so or not. Its more important that the person leading the seder is able to effectively communicate the meaning of yetzias mitzraim, whether that person be a man or woman. In your case, I suspect any woman at your table would have infintely greater knowledge and ability to lead the seder and make it meaningful to the guests than you would. Your own comment about the "sick getting sicker" describes you and your chevrah better than anything I could have said. Your contempt for MO yidden is the best example I can think of to illustrate your terminal illness. Hashem yarachem on those who have to share a seder table with you next week.

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 08:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Lead a seder yet still sit at the back of the bus?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 08:27 PM mo613 Says:

i dont see the chidish her my wife has been leading the Seder for 30 yrs,,,,,,,,she just lets me sit at the head of table

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 10:17 PM DanielBarbaz Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Metzger is a big Am H'aretz a bar mitzvah boy from any yeshivah, know's halacha better than him

"Better than he" is the correct English. A bar mitzvah boy from a Yeshiva should know basic grammar.

By the way who choses or decides who is an "Am H'aretz" and who is a "Gadol".
Is there an election for Gedolim? Can anyone tell me how it works?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 10:44 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

Reply to #10  
The Professor Says:

In the z'chus of noshim tzidkonios were the B'nai Yisroel taken out of Egypt. There never was anything ossur about women taking part in the seder in a family setting. If you are to consider yourself to be a golem simply by letting your wife and daughters take part in the reading of the Hagoddoh, fella' -you've got big problems!

Hehehe, fella' - you've got even bigger problems if you're unable to discern humor when you encounter it. I think the whole idea of the topic of gender in Judaism taking center stage as if it's the basis of this religion is ludicrous at best, downright destructive at worst - considering the number of people it has the potential of turning off. Think I care if a woman leads the seder? You haven't met my family, fella'. The women lead EVERYTHING. And we let them,too. So relax, Professor. Life is a drag if everything is serious. I am a huge champion of normalcy, and while I am comfortable with a general setup where women are women and men are men, women are equal to men nonetheless and in many ways superior. I am unhappy with this new anti-female sentiment pervading the ultra Orthodox sects of Judaism. Reminds me of the Sambia tribe in Papua New Guinea (Google it, I'm not elaborating). Now go help your wife clean for Pesach, would ya, fella'?

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 Apr 01, 2012 at 10:49 PM my 2 cents Says:

I suppose if there is no father figure at the head of the household,I don't see why a woman couldn't lead her family's seder.

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 12:46 AM Centro Says:

I don't know who this Mr metzger is, but 1 thing I do know is that the halucha says that women are pooter from saying the story of mitzrayim, just the men are m'chiyev to tell it for the women.

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 12:54 AM kvegas Says:

I read all of the above with great sadness and I'm horrified. I am not a "chasid" of Rabbi Metzger nor do I live in EY, but the vile comments about Rabbi Metzger's lamdonus, frumkeit and character are downright disgusting and Motzie Shem Ra. Halacha is strong and wide enough (and has been for millenia) to deal with differing opinions in practical day to day Jewish life. You don't agree with his psak? Don't follow his psak. But how dare anyone judge another. You're a bigger talmid chochom than him? Then you ought to know the Al Cheit that everyone says on Yom Kippur: Al cheit shechotonu lefonecha beflilus ("passing judgment" in case you can't translate). This is why the Beis Hamikdosh still isn't rebuilt. Shame.

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 02:33 AM Aryeh Says:

Reply to #2  
enlightened-yid Says:

Why are so many people unfamiliar with this halacha? What's the point of all those yeshiva for life students if they don't learn such important halachos? Reform and Conservative shuls know this halacha well and their women lead Seders.

R&C seem to have forgotten all of the other ones though, go figure!

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 09:21 AM concerned_Jew Says:

This promotes peace in families. Good word Rabbi.

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 09:51 AM The Professor Says:

Reply to #29  
FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

Hehehe, fella' - you've got even bigger problems if you're unable to discern humor when you encounter it. I think the whole idea of the topic of gender in Judaism taking center stage as if it's the basis of this religion is ludicrous at best, downright destructive at worst - considering the number of people it has the potential of turning off. Think I care if a woman leads the seder? You haven't met my family, fella'. The women lead EVERYTHING. And we let them,too. So relax, Professor. Life is a drag if everything is serious. I am a huge champion of normalcy, and while I am comfortable with a general setup where women are women and men are men, women are equal to men nonetheless and in many ways superior. I am unhappy with this new anti-female sentiment pervading the ultra Orthodox sects of Judaism. Reminds me of the Sambia tribe in Papua New Guinea (Google it, I'm not elaborating). Now go help your wife clean for Pesach, would ya, fella'?

Was your original comment supposed to be L'kovod April Fools Day? Considering the wide variety of readers and opinions to be found on VIN, I was not able to discern your alleged tongue-in-cheek humor. If your true attitude about the role o fwomen is as you've represented in your last thread, it works for me! Chag Kasher V'Sameach!

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:

#17, the fact is that a psak from Rabbi Metzger has No Relevance at all in the Torah World

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Modern Yid Says:

To #19- Reb Hersh- Why do you, and some other commentators on this board feel so threatened by what you refer to as "the modern Orthodox". Are they considered "trefe" by you? Does everyone have to wear a streimel, frock coat, gartel, and have payot and a long beard, in order to be considered as an "acceptable Jew"? Anytime there is a ruling which gives more responsibilities to a woman, the rumbling and mumbling begins! As Abba Eban stated at the United Nations during the Six Day War, "Most clocks move forward, and not backwards".

I really feel that you have grasped two opposite ends of a long string. Klal Yisroel does not only comprise MO at one end of the spectrum and chussid at the other. However your citation from Reb Abba certainly reveals whre you are coming from, both in its content and source....
To the point, though, I think ther are three basic classes: Those who pick and choose what they like with no regard authority (unless it is to quote R Abba, of course). Those who acknowledge an authority, like the MO who accept that R Moishe z"l was the foremost authority in the USA, but when his rulings contradict their way of life they just add a small footnote " N/A" and do what they please. Then there is the third category, chassidim, Litvishe, Sefardim etc, who abide by what their relative authorities tell them to do, as far as the yetzer horas permit (ie if they do ignore a certain ruling, they do it with a guilty conscience!).

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 Apr 02, 2012 at 03:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

You should be crawling on your knees begging mechila from Rav Metzger, shlita who is both a highly respected public leader and a great talmid chacham, tzadik and gadol hador. How dare you make such disrepectful comments about the rav just days before yom tov!!

I'm honored to be made aware that we have posters of such caliber on this site, that can give a evaluation of Rabbi Metzger. I had really believed till now that people of that caliber would keep away from the internet. Perhaps though you did not read the excuses put about from Rabbi Eliyashiv's court when he was nominated for that post. They were humiliated but explained that at the time they didn't have a better candidate, and the alternative would have been to let it slip into the hands of the Hardal sector and lose control of the rabbinate forever.

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