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Published on: April 17, 2012 04:59 PM
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Washington - Republicans controlling the House are eying big cuts to food stamps as they piece together legislation to trim $261 billion from the federal budget over the next decade, hoping to forestall major Pentagon cutbacks.

The cuts to food stamps would reduce the monthly benefit for a family of four by almost $60, repealing increases that were enacted three years ago as part of President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus. The changes would also force up to 3 million people out of the program by tightening eligibility rules, the administration estimates.

The food stamp cuts would total $8 billion over the coming year and $34 billion over a decade. The program has been expanded greatly over the past few years — enrollment tops 46 million nationwide, up from about 33 million in 2009 — and now costs about $80 billion a year. The average monthly benefit for a family of four is about $500, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal research and advocacy group.

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Food stamps are just one of the cuts Republicans want to muscle through the House as a follow-up to the tightfisted GOP budget plan approved last month. That measure is nonbinding but instructed six House committees to come up with spending reductions as an alternative to across-the-board cuts scheduled to slam both the Pentagon and domestic agencies in January. Those required cuts are a consequence of the failure of a budget “supercommittee” to agree on a deficit-reduction plan last year.

House panels are producing legislation this week as the first step in implementing the GOP’s budget plan, starting with Judiciary panel action Tuesday on a proposal that would sharply limit damage awards in medical malpractice lawsuits.

On Wednesday, the Ways and Means panel will weigh in with provisions to make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to claim refundable child tax credits by requiring them to have Social Security numbers to prove they are citizens or legal workers. The panel would also eliminate a grant program to states for social services such as day care and would increase the amount of health insurance subsidies under the new health care law that people must pay back if their incomes go up.

The Republicans’ deficit-trimming package, while controversial, is tiny when compared to the $5.2 trillion in reductions called for by the broader GOP budget over 10 years from Obama’s February budget plan. The smaller legislation taking shape on Capitol Hill would jettison bitterly partisan proposals that would dramatically transform Medicare and sharply cut the Medicaid health care plan for the poor and disabled.

“Education, jobs and health care would be slashed,” Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California said Tuesday of the broader budget. “We know that cuts have to be made. And important spending decisions must be made. But you just can’t say, ‘Let seniors pay more for Medicare, let’s not invest in education and the rest while we give tax breaks to the wealthiest people in our country.’”

Republicans say the cuts to food stamps would be modest when compared with the explosive growth of the program in recent years. Costs have more than tripled in the past decade, going from $21 billion in 2022 to $76 billion last year, with participation rising from 19 million people 10 years ago to more than 46 million at the beginning of this year. The GOP plan would lower projected costs by about 4 percent.

Many of the immediate cuts would return benefit levels to where they would be had Democrats not temporarily increased them in the stimulus measure. Democrats themselves tapped the benefit increases in 2010 to pay for earlier legislation.

More controversial, however, are rule changes that the administration says would force 3 million people off food stamps next year by tightening rules that require most recipients to have no more than $2,000 in savings. And GOP critics say 15 states and the District of Columbia are gaming the system by giving token energy subsidies to food stamp recipients to boost benefits.

Driving the GOP effort is a desire to avert a $55 billion cut — about 10 percent — to the Pentagon budget and a $43 billion cut to domestic agencies starting Jan. 1. There’s bipartisan opposition to this so-called sequester, but it’s not at all clear what part the cuts proposed by Republicans will play in any ultimate solution. Many budget observers believe any solution to the sequester, as well as what to do about the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts at the same time, will be postponed until after the November election.

For starters, Democrats controlling the Senate have no plans to advance a companion package of spending cuts. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., on Tuesday called off a vote scheduled for later this week on a resolution to counter the broad but nonbinding plan by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., that passed the House. Conrad said he would instead launch a debate on the recommendation of Obama’s bipartisan budget panel.

Separately, the House Financial Services Committee is slated to vote on a package of recycled cuts to the administration’s financial overhaul bill, while the Oversight and Government Reform panel will vote on a plan to require federal workers to contribute more to their pensions.


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 Apr 17, 2012 at 05:09 PM yaakov321 Says:

Hmm. Cut say military spending versus cutting foodstamps. Let choose foodstamps. Better to have 8000 more bombs at the ready than to have a few people satisfied that America is watchingout for them. Good call GOP.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 05:10 PM Anonymous Says:

That's not going to sit well with the Heimeshe Olam!

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 05:27 PM Cuts at the wrong place Says:

To cut food stamps, is not only cutting:

1)The Lazy man's way
2) Is Cruel to the poor
3) Avoids cuts where it is really needed most which is money WASTED by the government and money used with no useful purpose at all whatsoever.

Most of the governments spending is wasted and the place to cut is the waste.

If waste is cut, no one can complain that it is "unjust".

Some examples of wasted money which each and every one of us sees and knows about:

1) How many times has each and every one of us observed perfectly good streets and highways being torn up, up-rooted and repaved with partial or total funding form the federal government? 100% waste.

2) How many times has each and every one of us observed perfectly functional parks being torn down and rebuilt with partial or total Federal dollars?

3) 99% or lawmakers and others on federal parole in Washington waste most of their time doing essentially nothing all day - plain and simple. Or yes.... they do work a few hours a week, occasionally.

4) Anyone who ever applied for food stamps and just OBSERVED the "workers", sees clearly that 99% of these workers waste 99% of their time chewing gum and sitting on desks collecting overtime

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 05:28 PM R Says:

Go GOP! Let's take our country back!

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:

I wouldnt mind trading my foodstamps for a better job

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 06:25 PM bystander Says:

Why should Republicans cut the defense budget, when they get kickbacks from defense contractors? What can they expect to gain from some poor food stamp recipient?

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 06:39 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

The poor can starve, but the tens of billions we give to the oil companies, the trillions in tax breaks for corporations and the rich and the hundreds of billions in the bloated, non-productive war budget will only increase.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 06:40 PM Logical Says:

Don't reduce the amount of money given to poor families, cut out the fraud and waste in the program. A percentage of those receiving food stamps and welfare are doing so illegally! Prosecute the fraudsters so that those without food can get enough to live on!

Is there a Congressman in the House who has the guts (or brains) to recommend this approach?? Probably not!

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 06:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Stop the purchase of cakes.cookies sodas .chips etc etc etc with the food stamps
There will then be enough money to buy food

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 06:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
yaakov321 Says:

Hmm. Cut say military spending versus cutting foodstamps. Let choose foodstamps. Better to have 8000 more bombs at the ready than to have a few people satisfied that America is watchingout for them. Good call GOP.

how about work on getting off food stamps and welfare,
this is a dangerous world and the U.S. needs all the protection (BOMBS) it can get

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 06:51 PM BiggestFish Says:

And the heimishe olam runs out to vote Republican!
Think about that the next time you vote for a Republican.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 07:17 PM ayoyo Says:

so the poor will pay for the wars that the rich make ,again

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 07:20 PM Cut the Presidency to save $ Says:

What the point of paying more $ for more and more and more bombs if we have someone from the 'Bney Chum' in the white house who is to scared or too lazy or too much of a Soney Yisroel, to bomb Iran?

Get rid of the lazy president and put someone in who has Brains and knows how to use his brains and knows how to use the bombs he already has and no need to manufacturer more and more and more bombs that will never be used anyway - then spend billions more for "DISARMAMENT" to disarm, and destroy the needless weapons built for no reason at all.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 07:31 PM Toscanini Says:

While I have genuine concern for people without adequate food and nutrition, especially children, there is flagrant abuse in the food stamp program. The abuse consists of theft of the food stamp electronic debit card, selling such cards on the black market, use of the card by people who are not authorized to do so, and even abuse of the card, by those authorized to use it. The food stamp program, which started in 1964, has now grown to a multi billion dollar entitlement program. It should be noted that during the Great Depression, from 1929-1941, 25% of the population was unemployed and; at that time, the total population of the USA, was no more than 135 million. Hence, on a proportionate basis, over six times as many people were unemployed, as they are now. Yet, there were no food stamp programs at that time.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 07:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Shame for.the people.who really need it. Not the scamers. Hard to.find a.job for some who have no trade.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 08:07 PM anonymous-par Says:

as a food stamp recipient i applaud this proposal...it's about time they start cutting the system so that people feel forced to go out and get better jobs or jobs period...i wish they would also cut section 8 completely...they should phase it out gradually but cut it completely...it has ruined the real estate market in boro park so that we all have to pay such crazy rents...oy!

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 08:12 PM anonymous-par Says:

Reply to #11  
BiggestFish Says:

And the heimishe olam runs out to vote Republican!
Think about that the next time you vote for a Republican.

yeah let's go with the dems who want to legalize same-sex marriage and make it ok for school-aged kids to read books about a "family" consisting of 2 dads (greg and bob perhaps?)...that is surely the way to go according to your logic...the gop is the better of 2 evils. at least they are fighting the dilution of the moral fabric of the american society in which we live, which is no small thing. i vote republican and i am a foodstamp recipient. this legislation (hope it passes) makes me happy. the coffers have to be shut down and closed. no more spending. yes we should also cut other spending but this too.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 08:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
BiggestFish Says:

And the heimishe olam runs out to vote Republican!
Think about that the next time you vote for a Republican.

Don't vote for who will give you more money. Vote for who will not bankrupt this country-the republicans.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 08:37 PM simchad Says:

In Canada there is no such thing as food stamps and nobody is starving . At worst ,more people must work and they do.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 08:59 PM DovidTheK Says:

No what? We will have to pay full price for the extra expensive cholov yisroel food that we load into our leased Cadillac Escalades and take home to our Section 8 rentals and feed to our kids who we pay high yeshiva tuitions for and then we can sit and learn all day and not work and cry about it!

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 09:15 PM chochmo Says:

Obama has already cut a few hundred billion from the military there is not much more he can cut that wont do irreversible damage.
taxing the rich will not get you 16trillion dollars the only way to save money will be by cutting spending on all levels including welfare benefits.
BTW i hope your willing to give up food stamps instead of having another term with obama.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 09:18 PM Facts1 Says:

Reply to #11  
BiggestFish Says:

And the heimishe olam runs out to vote Republican!
Think about that the next time you vote for a Republican.

Well they make it up in the tax returns which Bush increased by far more then the suggested FS cuts.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 09:46 PM BiggestFish Says:

Reply to #22  
Facts1 Says:

Well they make it up in the tax returns which Bush increased by far more then the suggested FS cuts.

So you are saying if someone makes $100,000 and saves a little on taxes, that is better than the person with no income who relies on food stamps for food getting cut a measly $60?

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 09:50 PM esther Says:

so many socialists and misguided bleeding hearts.there are generations of food stamp,welfare etc recipients who have absolutely no reason to better themselves or work legally.i have known people likesthis and there are entire swaths of los angelas like this as in ebt card accpted here signs on burger king and 711.all goverment benefits should be on a very limited time basis.

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 Apr 17, 2012 at 11:08 PM sighber Says:

Food to civilians should be sold at commissary prices.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 12:04 AM NeoYekke Says:

Reply to #14  
Toscanini Says:

While I have genuine concern for people without adequate food and nutrition, especially children, there is flagrant abuse in the food stamp program. The abuse consists of theft of the food stamp electronic debit card, selling such cards on the black market, use of the card by people who are not authorized to do so, and even abuse of the card, by those authorized to use it. The food stamp program, which started in 1964, has now grown to a multi billion dollar entitlement program. It should be noted that during the Great Depression, from 1929-1941, 25% of the population was unemployed and; at that time, the total population of the USA, was no more than 135 million. Hence, on a proportionate basis, over six times as many people were unemployed, as they are now. Yet, there were no food stamp programs at that time.

Perhaps not flagrant. Fraud accounts for about 4% of the program, and 2/3 of that is due to errors by the caseworkers, and not the applicants. It isn't peanuts, but compared to fraud by military contractors, it is miniscule. Nearly half the beneficiaries are children. Let's stop picking on the poor, and children that cannot defend themselves; it isn't their fault that their parents have the issues they have. Meanwhile, let's be smart and attack the two biggest slices of the federal budget, social security and military spending, which together account for half of our annual budget. Only a few percentage points of improvement and reduced fraud on those two will outweigh a 75% reduction in good stamp fraud.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
BiggestFish Says:

And the heimishe olam runs out to vote Republican!
Think about that the next time you vote for a Republican.

If the republicans were back in office I could maybe get a full time job again and I wouldnt need foodstamps anymore

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 12:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Toscanini Says:

While I have genuine concern for people without adequate food and nutrition, especially children, there is flagrant abuse in the food stamp program. The abuse consists of theft of the food stamp electronic debit card, selling such cards on the black market, use of the card by people who are not authorized to do so, and even abuse of the card, by those authorized to use it. The food stamp program, which started in 1964, has now grown to a multi billion dollar entitlement program. It should be noted that during the Great Depression, from 1929-1941, 25% of the population was unemployed and; at that time, the total population of the USA, was no more than 135 million. Hence, on a proportionate basis, over six times as many people were unemployed, as they are now. Yet, there were no food stamp programs at that time.

I forget to mention that, while hard numbers are difficult to come by, the Depression saw an estimated 25% malnourishment amongst poor urban youth, and thousands (and possibly tens of thousands) of people died, directly or indirectly, from starvation. To be clear, I am referring to deaths such as septicemia, pneumonia, or dehydration, that all would have been associated with malnutrition. Again, hard numbers are not out there, but it is reflected in the photography (Dorothea Lange) and the literature of the era (Steibeck's Grapes of Wrath comes to mind).

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 01:13 AM Anonymous Says:

This sentence shows the reporter's bias: "Food stamps are just one of the cuts Republicans want to muscle through the House as a follow-up to the tightfisted GOP budget plan approved last month." Language like this belongs in an editorial, not a news story.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 02:37 AM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #25  
sighber Says:

Food to civilians should be sold at commissary prices.

Tell that to Waldmat, Shp-Rite, Pomegranate, and every Jewish-rum ma and pa store selling food.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 02:42 AM Phil E Stein Says:

Reply to #22  
Facts1 Says:

Well they make it up in the tax returns which Bush increased by far more then the suggested FS cuts.

Tax cuts are only beneficial to people who pay taxes. Income tax be definition is paid only by people who work. People who do not (or will not) work have absolutely no incentive do so.

Get rid of section 8, food stamps and all the other disincentives not to find gainful employment and so improve life for every inhabitant of the United States, by forcing them off watching daytime TV.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 03:01 AM Beckford Says:

Reply to #22  
Facts1 Says:

Well they make it up in the tax returns which Bush increased by far more then the suggested FS cuts.

A few facts and figures, taken from the US Department of Agriculture (which administers the food stamp program) website:

*** In the 2010 fiscal year, $65 billion in food stamps were distributed, with an average benefit per recipient in a household of $133 per month.

*** In Washington, D.C., and Mississippi, more than one-fifth of residents receive food stamps.

*** As of October 2011, 46,224,722 Americans were receiving food stamps.

*** The 2012 estimate of the population of the United States is 313,382,000 נפשות.

*** That's 14.75% eating 'kest' at the taxpayers' expense!

Can America really afford this? Get people off benefits and on the payroll.



*** Recipients must have at most near-poverty incomes to qualify for benefits.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 06:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Shame for.the people.who really need it. Not the scamers. Hard to.find a.job for some who have no trade.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Cut the Presidency to save $ Says:

What the point of paying more $ for more and more and more bombs if we have someone from the 'Bney Chum' in the white house who is to scared or too lazy or too much of a Soney Yisroel, to bomb Iran?

Get rid of the lazy president and put someone in who has Brains and knows how to use his brains and knows how to use the bombs he already has and no need to manufacturer more and more and more bombs that will never be used anyway - then spend billions more for "DISARMAMENT" to disarm, and destroy the needless weapons built for no reason at all.

Does that mean the prior president who refused to bomb Iran and who built thousands of bombs was also "Bney Chum?" Or is it just that you're a miserable ignorant racist choleirah?

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

If the republicans were back in office I could maybe get a full time job again and I wouldnt need foodstamps anymore

You really aren't aware of how many jobs were lost under Republican presidents, are you?

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
chochmo Says:

Obama has already cut a few hundred billion from the military there is not much more he can cut that wont do irreversible damage.
taxing the rich will not get you 16trillion dollars the only way to save money will be by cutting spending on all levels including welfare benefits.
BTW i hope your willing to give up food stamps instead of having another term with obama.

He hasn't cut a penny from military/defense/security spending. We waste just as much as we did under Bush. Best of luck to you when the Republicans gut all social services and give more money to the rich. BTW- most of the deficit was generated by Republican presidents- or did you even notice?

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:33 AM concerned_Jew Says:

tough issue here. food stamps are necessary to maintain people who are not able to work or earn enough. Defense is necessary to protect the country. Tough choice when you have to choose between protection and starvation.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:56 AM concerned Says:

Let's punish the really needed to root out the abusers. Or perhaps they can eat the extra bombs some of you want. The same wing nuts that say they should not buy cookies and cake are the same folks that ridicule Mrs. Obama on pushing for healthy eating. Go figure, weed out abuse and advocate for healthier eating.

Pray you never need any government help as the rich get richer and the middle class slides downward!

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 09:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

The poor can starve, but the tens of billions we give to the oil companies, the trillions in tax breaks for corporations and the rich and the hundreds of billions in the bloated, non-productive war budget will only increase.

those companies actually hire people and make the government more money. The cuts encourage them to stay in America!
Learn some economics before posting- please!

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 09:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

He hasn't cut a penny from military/defense/security spending. We waste just as much as we did under Bush. Best of luck to you when the Republicans gut all social services and give more money to the rich. BTW- most of the deficit was generated by Republican presidents- or did you even notice?

Actually, Obama has had the biggest increase in the debt in our entire history. 700 billion here, 600 trillion there....
We are in a debt. we need to cut the budget somewhere. how long can we be in a deficit?

Money is not going towards the rich- the top 10% pay over 97% of all taxes. 50% of the country pays NONE. we are taking money from them to pay for your food stamps. They are not getting these benefits.
math doesn't lie.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 09:51 AM BrainsoverBrawn Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

He hasn't cut a penny from military/defense/security spending. We waste just as much as we did under Bush. Best of luck to you when the Republicans gut all social services and give more money to the rich. BTW- most of the deficit was generated by Republican presidents- or did you even notice?

food stamps... there is tons of waste there! I have seen people (some frum) decked out in fancy clothing, nice jewelry ect going grocery shopping at the store and buying NICE stuff that I can't afford. Meat during the week. exotic and fancy fruits on a tuesday. lots of snacks for the children. And buying it with food stamps.
I am not on foodstamps, yet I can't afford either what they were wearing or what they were buying to eat. How is that fair when it is my money paying for all that?

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM Whats Fair is Fair - Cut all polititions overly inflated sallery FIRST! Says:

Reply to #21  
chochmo Says:

Obama has already cut a few hundred billion from the military there is not much more he can cut that wont do irreversible damage.
taxing the rich will not get you 16trillion dollars the only way to save money will be by cutting spending on all levels including welfare benefits.
BTW i hope your willing to give up food stamps instead of having another term with obama.

Here is a FAIR Deal:

Before any politicians, ever agrees to cut any percentage of $ or services from the poor, they must FIRST agree to cut 10_X that amount from their own salary, since they, the politicians are all relatively rich and non work as hard as the poor.

It's only Fair that someone who makes $300,000 as a politicians doing essentially nothing all day except "talking politics" (= talking 'white lies' by definition) and pushing paper, takes a much greater major cut in their own salary first.

The first salary to get a 30% cut should be the salary of the president of the USA.

Next every elected official should take a 30% cut in their triple digit income.

NOW you can begin to contemplate to make a 10% cut in the food stamps of someone who has a large family, WORKS-hard and earns only $35,000 per year.

The same people who want to cut the money for your tuna sandwich away from the mouths of the poor, have no moral problem bankrupting the country by allowing all politicians who are all filthy rich to continue to get double and triple digit income for sitting in a comfortable chair all day and DOING NOTHING except pushing (needless) bureaucratic paper in Washington all day

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM Where is the waste Says:

Reply to #41  
BrainsoverBrawn Says:

food stamps... there is tons of waste there! I have seen people (some frum) decked out in fancy clothing, nice jewelry ect going grocery shopping at the store and buying NICE stuff that I can't afford. Meat during the week. exotic and fancy fruits on a tuesday. lots of snacks for the children. And buying it with food stamps.
I am not on foodstamps, yet I can't afford either what they were wearing or what they were buying to eat. How is that fair when it is my money paying for all that?

If you hear, see or read about a plain crash, it's horrendous but it doesn't mean that most plains crash. In fact, in spite of the many plain crashes, it far safer than traveling by car except that you notice more the unusual rare incident

Fact remains that 99% of all Americans who get Food Stamps really need it and really deserver it and that the average is only a little over $100 per recipient

There are many who are jealous and so they notice the extremely rare %1 of the population who perhaps is less than honest and doesn't deserve it

Your tax dollar is wasted 10,000 more often on making military stuff which end up in the garbage can and is never used and your hard earned tax dollar goes for an INCREASE of countless politicians salary who are already 1000 richer than you but your taxes are increased to make them even richer

The CIA can easily afford to fire the likes of those who used YOUR tax dollar to spend it on Zona's abroad. Most government spending is far beyond just needless waste Food Stamps and Medicaid and Medicare are essentials and should never be cut at all whatsoever Cut Government internal excessive salaries instead

Not enough bombs yet? Use what you got FIRST

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Money is not going towards the rich- the top 10% pay over 97% of all taxes. 50% of the country pays NONE. we are taking money from them to pay for your food stamps. They are not getting these benefits.
math doesn't lie.

Fact: The GAO stated in 2009 that both McCain and Obama were forecast to generate similar debt profiles.
Fact: The top 1% pay a lower percentage of their total income in taxes than the bottom 80%
Fact: the top 10% does NOT pay 97% of taxes Don't pull stats out of your tuches.
Fact: the Fortune 100 companies pay less that 18% in taxes because of loopholes and havens.
Fact: In the last 40+ years the tax rates for the very wealthy have dropped from 50+% to an average of 18%. Factoring in payroll taxes, a worker making 50,000 pays a higher percentage in taxes than someone making 1million.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 04:25 PM Anon Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

those companies actually hire people and make the government more money. The cuts encourage them to stay in America!
Learn some economics before posting- please!

But the companies don't stay in America, don't create jobs here, and don't pay their U.S taxes. We have already had 8 years of experience with cutting taxes on the wealthy and multinational corporations while cutting benefits for the poor and, based on this we now have proof that it does not work. The companies and the wealthy keep their money abroad in tax-havens and the jobs that are created are also abroad. It sounds like your idea of learning economics is to repeat opinions you heard on Fox. Might I suggest actually looking at facts and an economics textbook?

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:50 PM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #45  
Anonymous Says:

Money is not going towards the rich- the top 10% pay over 97% of all taxes. 50% of the country pays NONE. we are taking money from them to pay for your food stamps. They are not getting these benefits.
math doesn't lie.

Fact: The GAO stated in 2009 that both McCain and Obama were forecast to generate similar debt profiles.
Fact: The top 1% pay a lower percentage of their total income in taxes than the bottom 80%
Fact: the top 10% does NOT pay 97% of taxes Don't pull stats out of your tuches.
Fact: the Fortune 100 companies pay less that 18% in taxes because of loopholes and havens.
Fact: In the last 40+ years the tax rates for the very wealthy have dropped from 50+% to an average of 18%. Factoring in payroll taxes, a worker making 50,000 pays a higher percentage in taxes than someone making 1million.

1. In the first line of your message you told us "Money is not going towards the rich- the top 10% pay over 97% of all taxes."

2. In the first part of the eighth line of your message you told us "Fact: the top 10% does NOT pay 97% of taxes"

3. In the second part of the eighth line of your message you told us "Don't pull stats out of your tuches."

(1) and (2) are clearly contradictory, which leaves (3) which you should have observed before you pulled _that_ out of your own t*****.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:57 PM Phil E Stein Says:

Reply to #44  
Where is the waste Says:

If you hear, see or read about a plain crash, it's horrendous but it doesn't mean that most plains crash. In fact, in spite of the many plain crashes, it far safer than traveling by car except that you notice more the unusual rare incident

Fact remains that 99% of all Americans who get Food Stamps really need it and really deserver it and that the average is only a little over $100 per recipient

There are many who are jealous and so they notice the extremely rare %1 of the population who perhaps is less than honest and doesn't deserve it

Your tax dollar is wasted 10,000 more often on making military stuff which end up in the garbage can and is never used and your hard earned tax dollar goes for an INCREASE of countless politicians salary who are already 1000 richer than you but your taxes are increased to make them even richer

The CIA can easily afford to fire the likes of those who used YOUR tax dollar to spend it on Zona's abroad. Most government spending is far beyond just needless waste Food Stamps and Medicaid and Medicare are essentials and should never be cut at all whatsoever Cut Government internal excessive salaries instead

Not enough bombs yet? Use what you got FIRST

"If you hear, see or read about a plain crash, it's horrendous but it doesn't mean that most plains crash. In fact, in spite of the many plain crashes, it far safer than traveling by car except that you notice more the unusual rare incident"

The word you wanted was "p l a n e", and NOT the word you used on no less than three occasions in a single sentence.

Please, do not bother to thank me, Where is the waste #44; just do yourself(and us) a big favor and sign up for remedial English classes tomorrow. After all, you would not want to expose yourself to ridicule, would you?

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 Apr 20, 2012 at 08:39 AM NeoYekke Says:

Reply to #48  
Phil E Stein Says:

"If you hear, see or read about a plain crash, it's horrendous but it doesn't mean that most plains crash. In fact, in spite of the many plain crashes, it far safer than traveling by car except that you notice more the unusual rare incident"

The word you wanted was "p l a n e", and NOT the word you used on no less than three occasions in a single sentence.

Please, do not bother to thank me, Where is the waste #44; just do yourself(and us) a big favor and sign up for remedial English classes tomorrow. After all, you would not want to expose yourself to ridicule, would you?

I think we can be lenient when it comes to posting on boards. You get hotted up, typing a storm, click post, and then you see the spelling errors. Ouch! But there is no edit or revise feature. I have several posts which are outright missing letters. I blame it on Google and their android keyboard (and my fat fingers).

Interesting handle, btw (philistine)...

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 Apr 24, 2012 at 02:44 PM Rocky Says:

Next time you vote, remember that Obama's economic stimulus program in 2009 raised your food stamp benefits and that the Republicans want to lower them. I won't complain if I get four more years of dividend tax cuts, but if you are getting food stamps, Section 8 housing vouchers and Medicaid benefits, you have a lot to be worried about if the Republicans sweep the November elections. The choice is your. Vote wisely.

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