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Published on: April 18, 2012 05:14 PM
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Netherlands - A 28 year old Israeli Yeshiva student was arrested on charges of fraud in the Amsterdam airport last Wednesday after officials at passport control noticed that alterations had been made to the date on old stamps of entrance in his passport.

The student, who holds dual American and Israeli citizenship and was using an American passport, was returning to Israel when he was detained by the police.

International lawyer Mordechai Tzivin, who is representing the student along with Orthodox Jewish Dutch lawyer Herman Loonstein, visited with the student in prison yesterday and said that he is in good spirits and is being treated well by the authorities.  The American consul in Amsterdam also paid a visit to the student.

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“He is receiving kosher food, has tefillin and is able to daven,” Tzivin told VIN News.  “We very much appreciate and praise the Dutch authorities for the exemplary way in which they treat their prisoners and I think that all other countries should study the Dutch prison system to better understand how to preserve human rights and to observe what proper conditions in a jail should be.”

The student gave Tzivin letters to send to Rabbi Chaim Dovid Weiss of Antwerp and Rabbi Jacob Bleich, Chief Rabbi of the Ukraine, asking them to intervene on his behalf.



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 Apr 18, 2012 at 04:59 PM CSLMoish Says:

So Rabbis should intervene because he frauded his passport????

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 04:59 PM newtransplant Says:

Some people are idiots......

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 05:26 PM shredready Says:

lets start the excuses and the pidyam shvuim and if they sentence him earthquakes (sarcastic)

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 05:29 PM Mendel Says:

What are we teaching our youngsters if every few days we have another story of another one in jail?

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 05:38 PM shprintzyobermeister Says:

It's a bigger chillul Hashem if we accede to his religious demands and intervene on his behalf. maybe we should make a unity video for him too. that said, i hope his penalty isnt too serious and that he learns his lesson.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 05:43 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #1  
CSLMoish Says:

So Rabbis should intervene because he frauded his passport????

Yes..yes...yes...Rem Moshe Leib Sasever ztz"l also intervened for people with much much bigger crimes...If a yid is in a Eis Tzureh we have a torah and moral obligation
to help them out...I am sure if you ever ever get chas veshulem arrested (for any crime,guilty or not guilty) yo would want RABBIS to intervene and make you feel safe and comfortable the best that can be done...So please remember before posting a comment a litte of Ahavas Yisroel,Gemiles Chasudim and Pidyen Shvee-em....

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 05:48 PM kayboy Says:

Reply to #1  
CSLMoish Says:

So Rabbis should intervene because he frauded his passport????

First pidyon shevuyim is even if the guy is 100% guilty. Second who said he's guilty??

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 06:17 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Reply to #7  
kayboy Says:

First pidyon shevuyim is even if the guy is 100% guilty. Second who said he's guilty??

Study halacha - he first has to have a din shvuyim before he is roi l'pidyon. Most poskim hold that in being held in jail in a democractic country for breaking the law of the land does not qualify for pidyon shvuyim. (Unless you stole millions and gave a lot to tzedaka and fought the war on shechita.)

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 06:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Yossi Says:

Yes..yes...yes...Rem Moshe Leib Sasever ztz"l also intervened for people with much much bigger crimes...If a yid is in a Eis Tzureh we have a torah and moral obligation
to help them out...I am sure if you ever ever get chas veshulem arrested (for any crime,guilty or not guilty) yo would want RABBIS to intervene and make you feel safe and comfortable the best that can be done...So please remember before posting a comment a litte of Ahavas Yisroel,Gemiles Chasudim and Pidyen Shvee-em....

Ahavas Yisroel,Gemiles Chasudim and Pidyen Shvee-em.... ”

Correct on the first 2, wrong on the third.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:32 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Ahavas Yisroel,Gemiles Chasudim and Pidyen Shvee-em.... ”

Correct on the first 2, wrong on the third.

explain please

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 07:35 PM Concerned Says:

"I think "Pidyon Shivu'im" includes making sure that the punishment doesn't exceed the crime.
And yes, if he's an inexperienced youngster that we can assume has learned his lesson, and this is his first offense, then certainly his "punishment" should be minimal.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 08:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Yossi Says:

Yes..yes...yes...Rem Moshe Leib Sasever ztz"l also intervened for people with much much bigger crimes...If a yid is in a Eis Tzureh we have a torah and moral obligation
to help them out...I am sure if you ever ever get chas veshulem arrested (for any crime,guilty or not guilty) yo would want RABBIS to intervene and make you feel safe and comfortable the best that can be done...So please remember before posting a comment a litte of Ahavas Yisroel,Gemiles Chasudim and Pidyen Shvee-em....

They should take out the first rav who mumbles pidyon shiivuim in this case and send him away for professional assistance. This kind of mindless behavior is risking all yiddin who travel and they should give him the maximum punishment as a deterrent or it will just continue.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 08:40 PM Ben_Kol Says:

Reply to #7  
kayboy Says:

First pidyon shevuyim is even if the guy is 100% guilty. Second who said he's guilty??

Your first point is at best a machlokes haposkim. The Maharshal (Yam shel Shlomoh, Gittin 4:72) says that there is no din of pidyon shevuyim in the case of a Jew who was sentenced to death for stealing from non-Jews. Why not? Because he brought it on himself.

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 Apr 18, 2012 at 08:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
kayboy Says:

First pidyon shevuyim is even if the guy is 100% guilty. Second who said he's guilty??

No its not. Certain crimes cry out for extreme punishment. If he's not guilty, than thats what a trial will determine. If he is guilty, than hopefully he likes canned tuna fish (va'hamayvin yavin).

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 12:21 AM ABRAMO Says:

anyone can be arrested for failure to obey any sort of obscure Law & sit in jail for a long time. If the punishment is more severe than a beis din would rule then that is definately without any doubt a case of PIDYON SHEVUYIM and is a MiTVAH whose rewards are unimaginable!

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 03:21 AM Rifka Says:

Reply to #8  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

Study halacha - he first has to have a din shvuyim before he is roi l'pidyon. Most poskim hold that in being held in jail in a democractic country for breaking the law of the land does not qualify for pidyon shvuyim. (Unless you stole millions and gave a lot to tzedaka and fought the war on shechita.)

To Reb Shaul in Monsey

Your sarcastic comment about Rubashkin didn't go unnoticed. You're accusing him of stealing millions. If his company would not have been raided and consequently forced into bankruptcy, he would have continued paying his loan to the bank. Yes, he pumped up his assets to receive a bigger loan (his one and only criminal offense), but he had no intent of "stealing", he was FORCED into bankruptcy. If you don't see the difference, you will be judged (after 120), the way you judge others.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 05:55 AM Vozizalt Says:

Wait a second here;
1. What is a 28 year old "bochur" doing in a Yeshiva?
2. What was he doing in Amsterdam?
3. They caught him on the way in..? Amsterdam is NO place for any BOCHUR to be.
What you get in Amsterdam (95% of the time) is Znus, Drugs, etc...
There is no reason for him to have to travel through that city and FAKE his passport.
He should sit for more than the 2 years he will get since he deserves more.
He is lucky they caught him before he had a chance to really get into trouble.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 07:55 AM Reb Yid Says:

We need more facts. What was he doing in the Netherlands? How would altering the dates help him? Was he there for so long that they would see he outstayed the limit?

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 08:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Reb Yid Says:

We need more facts. What was he doing in the Netherlands? How would altering the dates help him? Was he there for so long that they would see he outstayed the limit?

What you need to know as do all the brilliant commenters above is that you do not know the details and thus you have no basis to comment. Unless you are a fool, of course. There is no help if your basis for commenting is that you are a fool.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 09:44 AM Jordan Thornhill Says:

Reply to #16  
Rifka Says:

To Reb Shaul in Monsey

Your sarcastic comment about Rubashkin didn't go unnoticed. You're accusing him of stealing millions. If his company would not have been raided and consequently forced into bankruptcy, he would have continued paying his loan to the bank. Yes, he pumped up his assets to receive a bigger loan (his one and only criminal offense), but he had no intent of "stealing", he was FORCED into bankruptcy. If you don't see the difference, you will be judged (after 120), the way you judge others.

"If his company would not have been raided ..."

You know Rifka #16, my Bubbie used to say, "If ifs and ands were pots and pans ..."

My Zaidie would reinforce such a comment as yours by lustily singing a couple of choruses of דיינו. You know: the song we sang only a couple of weeks ago at the סדר table.

SMR may (or then again he might not) have had any "intent of stealing", but he did. That's theft and that's a crime.

In fact, SMR was convicted in November 2009 on _86 charges_ of financial fraud, including bank fraud, mail and wire fraud and money laundering.

SMR "pumped up his assets to receive a bigger loan" when it was proven that those assets did not exist. That's fraud, and fraud is a crime.

In fact, SMR intentionally defrauded St. Louis based First Bank on a revolving $35 million loan by _faking invoices from meat dealers_, inflating the value of the company. That's fraud, and fraud is a crime.

Incidentally, what has happened to the hundreds of thousands of dollars that well-meaning Jews handed over for this multi-millionaire's קרן פדיון שבויים?

Only one man - but so many unanswered questions.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 09:56 AM Ben_Kol Says:

Reply to #15  
ABRAMO Says:

anyone can be arrested for failure to obey any sort of obscure Law & sit in jail for a long time. If the punishment is more severe than a beis din would rule then that is definately without any doubt a case of PIDYON SHEVUYIM and is a MiTVAH whose rewards are unimaginable!

Not so fast. See the Maharshal cited in comment #13.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 09:58 AM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

What you need to know as do all the brilliant commenters above is that you do not know the details and thus you have no basis to comment. Unless you are a fool, of course. There is no help if your basis for commenting is that you are a fool.

Anonymous #19 has told Reb Yid #18 that "There is no help if your basis for commenting is that you are a fool".

How true that is, Anonymous #19! How true.

Before rushing to criticize and to condemn Reb Yid #18 so rudely you might have taken just a microsecond of your time to notice that Reb Yid offered not a single syllable of commentary.

In fact, what he _did_ do was to ask, very courteously and very politely, three simple questions:

1. "What was he doing in the Netherlands?"

2. "How would altering the dates help him?"

3. "Was he there for so long that they would see he outstayed the limit?"

Three questions that are very germane to the matter under discussion in this thread, as I think others would agree.

As you yourself wrote, Anonymous #19, "There is no help if your basis for commenting is that you are a fool". Perhaps you might meditate on that remark of yours?

When you have done so, you really should publicly beg סליחה ומחילה from Reb Yid #18 for blackening his character with absolutely no foundation whatsoever.

Better still, THINK before you put a single pinkie on your computer keyboard to shoot off such poisonous rubbish.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 10:06 AM Ben_Kol Says:

Reply to #15  
ABRAMO Says:

anyone can be arrested for failure to obey any sort of obscure Law & sit in jail for a long time. If the punishment is more severe than a beis din would rule then that is definately without any doubt a case of PIDYON SHEVUYIM and is a MiTVAH whose rewards are unimaginable!

That is not necessarily true in this situation. Some poskim hold that there is no pidyon shevuyim unless the prisoner's life is in danger, which is not the case in prisons in modern democratic countries.

[BTW, I agree with #20's comments about Rubashkin except for one point. It wasn't just "hundreds of thousands of dollars" that went to Rubashkin's lawyers and PR firms; it was *millions* of dollars.]

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 10:18 AM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

What you need to know as do all the brilliant commenters above is that you do not know the details and thus you have no basis to comment. Unless you are a fool, of course. There is no help if your basis for commenting is that you are a fool.

Is there some sort of yichus between you and this bochur, #19? Your nephew perhaps, or even your son r"l?

I ask only because you were very prickly with #18, and that might be a symptom of you trying to cover up any sort of questions or investigation into the matter.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM Shimon Says:

"Alterations had been made to old stamps of entrance in his passport". I would be very interested what this exactly means and why it is fraud and how terrible this fraud is.
Wasn't he just too long time in a certain country, perhaps Netherlands, and needed to solve his problem, and someone did this for him in a proffessional looking way, and he trusted it?

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 11:20 AM HAPPY12 Says:

Reply to #17  
Vozizalt Says:

Wait a second here;
1. What is a 28 year old "bochur" doing in a Yeshiva?
2. What was he doing in Amsterdam?
3. They caught him on the way in..? Amsterdam is NO place for any BOCHUR to be.
What you get in Amsterdam (95% of the time) is Znus, Drugs, etc...
There is no reason for him to have to travel through that city and FAKE his passport.
He should sit for more than the 2 years he will get since he deserves more.
He is lucky they caught him before he had a chance to really get into trouble.

1. doing what any bochur does in yeshiva - learning.
2. stop over

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 12:49 PM luv_pancake Says:

Reply to #17  
Vozizalt Says:

Wait a second here;
1. What is a 28 year old "bochur" doing in a Yeshiva?
2. What was he doing in Amsterdam?
3. They caught him on the way in..? Amsterdam is NO place for any BOCHUR to be.
What you get in Amsterdam (95% of the time) is Znus, Drugs, etc...
There is no reason for him to have to travel through that city and FAKE his passport.
He should sit for more than the 2 years he will get since he deserves more.
He is lucky they caught him before he had a chance to really get into trouble.

ok yenta here are your damn answers:

1. none of your business
2. none of your business
and 3. none of your business

what is your business is that you've got a much too big of a nose that'll be much better off in a kleenex than in somebody else's business. good shabbos

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM ActualJew Says:

Reply to #17  
Vozizalt Says:

Wait a second here;
1. What is a 28 year old "bochur" doing in a Yeshiva?
2. What was he doing in Amsterdam?
3. They caught him on the way in..? Amsterdam is NO place for any BOCHUR to be.
What you get in Amsterdam (95% of the time) is Znus, Drugs, etc...
There is no reason for him to have to travel through that city and FAKE his passport.
He should sit for more than the 2 years he will get since he deserves more.
He is lucky they caught him before he had a chance to really get into trouble.

every point is spot-on. well done, sir.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM actualjew Says:

Reply to #26  
HAPPY12 Says:

1. doing what any bochur does in yeshiva - learning.
2. stop over

1. seriously?
2. yeah, sure.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 02:22 PM SF2K1 Says:

Reply to #17  
Vozizalt Says:

Wait a second here;
1. What is a 28 year old "bochur" doing in a Yeshiva?
2. What was he doing in Amsterdam?
3. They caught him on the way in..? Amsterdam is NO place for any BOCHUR to be.
What you get in Amsterdam (95% of the time) is Znus, Drugs, etc...
There is no reason for him to have to travel through that city and FAKE his passport.
He should sit for more than the 2 years he will get since he deserves more.
He is lucky they caught him before he had a chance to really get into trouble.

1. I'm going to guess Baal Teshuva.
2. Probably passing through, it's much cheaper to have a layover in most European countries than to go straight between Israel/America. Maybe he has friends or family there, it's not like there isn't a Jewish community. I've been invited by friends to join them for chagim before in different places.
3. There's Znus and Drugs in every country in the world, Israel included. The only question is why did he alter his passport and so far we don't know.

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 Apr 19, 2012 at 03:12 PM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

They should take out the first rav who mumbles pidyon shiivuim in this case and send him away for professional assistance. This kind of mindless behavior is risking all yiddin who travel and they should give him the maximum punishment as a deterrent or it will just continue.

youre disgusting. i hope it will be your child one day,so, i can make the same comment to you. what goes around comes around.
dont act holier than thou.
i am sure you have your own skeletons in the closet.
i dont care what the kid did. period. as long as it wasnt violent.!

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 Apr 20, 2012 at 02:23 PM SF2K1 Says:

Reply to #31  
schwartzi Says:

youre disgusting. i hope it will be your child one day,so, i can make the same comment to you. what goes around comes around.
dont act holier than thou.
i am sure you have your own skeletons in the closet.
i dont care what the kid did. period. as long as it wasnt violent.!

...That's not how dina dmalchusa dina works. I don't care that your kid didn't do anything violent. If he breaks the laws, stealing, smuggling or whatever he should be in jail. If my kid did something like that I wouldn't visit him I would be so disgraced that he would do something so criminal. Unfortunately it seems much of frum society has gone soft on even violent murderers and arsonists from the other news articles that people jump to defend them.

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