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New York - There are a million and one things to complain about regarding the Ichud HaKehilos Asifa at Citifield. Pretty much everyone has read the excellent post by Dovid Teitlebaum pointing out the fallacy of blaming the Internet for problems within the orthodox Jewish community. I wholeheartedly agree that positive chinuch is far more effective and valuable than bans, broad policies, filters, and fear.

I also understand that the Ichud HaKehilos believes that there is a legitimate reason to sincerely fear the Internet. I am willing to grant them the courtesy that the imaginary Internet boogeyman is the most pressing issue in the orthodox Jewish community for a moment. However, it completely boggles my mind how they can justify, on their own terms, one of their executive decisions.

The latest advertisements of for the Asifa are out and they proclaim that the Gedolim endorse the Asifa. Interestingly, there are no specific American Gedolim who are mentioned and I have not heard of any bold faced names from America in support of the Asifa other than R’ Matisyahu Solomon.

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The new ads also announce that tickets are now on sale. You can have the privilege of attending the Asifa for just $10.

There’s just one catch. 50% of orthodox Jews cannot attend. The entire Asifa is for men only.

This is unconscionable.

If the threat of the Internet is so great, as the Ichud HaKehilos claims, how in the world can they make the marquee event for awareness and education about the Internet exclusively for men?! Are women not susceptible to the harms of the Internet? Should mothers of our children not be educated about the dangers of the Internet?

I honestly cannot fathom how the Ichud HaKehilos can say on the one hand that the Internet is so dangerous and then on the other hand exclude the mothers who are home with their children more than their fathers and the teenage girls who are just as present online as teenage boys. If anything, the girls have more access to computers and Internet than boys in yeshiva!

Again, I don’t think anyone needs to go to this Asifa. But for the Ichud HaKehilos who feels that this is the most important issue of our time, there is absolutely no excuse for limiting attendance to men only.

This is just further evidence to me that the project is flawed, lacks leadership and vision, and is very hard to fully endorse.

Rabbi Eliyahu Fink serves as the Rabbi at the Pacific Jewish Center in Venice California. Rabbi Fink attended the Yeshiva of Far Rockaway and is a Talmud of Rabbi Moshe Brown. Rabbi Fink is an ordained Rabbi while attending Ner Israel Israel Rabbinical College

Rabbi Fink runs his blog at http://finkorswim.com/ 


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 Apr 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM Chamor HaDor Says:

If anyone who's been following this hasn't yet read between the lines, it's a HUGE $$$ making event with a ruse....
I asked my Rov ( a prominent man within the Brooklyn circles), he didn't know what I was talking about. When I explained it to him, he laughed.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

3

 Apr 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM some1 Says:

Until they dont find a bold solution, ei: own jewish internet provider or someting else, talk wont make too much an effect.

4

 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:02 PM oy_vey Says:

The siyum hashes is going to have a mechitza. They could have one here too.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:10 PM Anonymous Says:

The question is great one but the answers is a simple one. Our Gedolim sometimes don't know what a sin is and have a hard time imagining it. Only when they are told that the at-risk numbers are skyrocketing do they start to realize that something is wrong here. Even then - do they get it. only when it's too late do they really panic and make asifah's. My guess is that they haven't yet seen the down spiral in girls and woman going off the derech.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:09 PM maxedout Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

they could put the women in the upper deck. is that kosher enough for you?

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:06 PM Rabbi_In_The_Know Says:

If the problem is that they cannot make a mechitza, may I suggest that they sell at the expo some kind of "filter" for the eyes?!...

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:03 PM Rabbi_CS Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

The same way they are doing it for the Siyum Hashas

9

 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:13 PM inNY Says:

The cost to attend is $10??? who in there right mind wants to pay money to go to this??

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:15 PM mayg Says:

If this is truly an earthshaking problem why didn't the Ichud also invite more Orthodox Rabbis rather than just Charedi Rabbis??

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:18 PM oy_vey Says:

#5 The original ads had stories about women using the internet and it ruining their lives. I'm not saying the stories are true, but the Ichud used them to make their point.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Citifield has nearly 42,000 seats. Do you know how hard it is to sell that many tickets to an interesting event, let alone to a ridiculous one? My guess is that there will be an embarrassingly small turnout and the decision to exclude women is not going to help them fill seats. Somebody stands to lose alot of money on the narishkeit. This almost irrelevant event is getting way too much attention.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:14 PM Secular Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

Have people sit with their families...problem solved !

14

 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

This entire asifa is a joke. Nothing will be accomplished. NOTHING! As number 1 said, just another way for the rabbonim to make a buck. The only thing dumber than this asifa is the sheeple that attend.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:18 PM ShlomoH Says:

Reply to #10  
mayg Says:

If this is truly an earthshaking problem why didn't the Ichud also invite more Orthodox Rabbis rather than just Charedi Rabbis??

Who says they haven't? Those Rabbis perhaps don't want to attend, either because they don't believe in it ideologically or cuz they fear their congregants. Unfortunately

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:21 PM Berel Says:

We all know why they are making the event, and we all know the harms of the internet, Unfortunatly, i will be unable to attend the event, but there is a need for it.
Years ago when one wanted to view inappropriate material (No, not just Peoples magazine) they would have to go to gas station, and hope noone would see them buying it....
Now you just go online--- (disable your filter) and surf..
We all know its wrong-- we just do not want to admit, that we (even adults need a filter).
Maybe we should have an anyomous survey online--- if you ever saw something that your wife would kill you if she knew you looked at it online---
I bet she probably would never let you work with a computer again--

This is about awarnesss---
There is a need- and lets grow up..

I think they dont want women there--- as they are affraid so many of them would want a divorce if they found out what goes on.....

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:28 PM InNY Says:

Reply to #16  
Berel Says:

We all know why they are making the event, and we all know the harms of the internet, Unfortunatly, i will be unable to attend the event, but there is a need for it.
Years ago when one wanted to view inappropriate material (No, not just Peoples magazine) they would have to go to gas station, and hope noone would see them buying it....
Now you just go online--- (disable your filter) and surf..
We all know its wrong-- we just do not want to admit, that we (even adults need a filter).
Maybe we should have an anyomous survey online--- if you ever saw something that your wife would kill you if she knew you looked at it online---
I bet she probably would never let you work with a computer again--

This is about awarnesss---
There is a need- and lets grow up..

I think they dont want women there--- as they are affraid so many of them would want a divorce if they found out what goes on.....

Your correct we need to raise awareness, in this case we should gather all Rebbtzines for an Asifah for woman.. but we know it will never happen.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:35 PM Dr. E Says:

Some have speculated that they don't want to pay another quarter of a million for the Mechitza. But, the real reason is because this is the only way that will get the husbands out of the house and allow the wives to check their browsing History without them knowing to discover all of the sites they have been visiting.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:36 PM MosheMS Says:

IY"H I will be there are the event, I will be outside by my booth selling Internet service, we are offering a big asifa discount: buy 10 Internet devices and get 1 free.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Citifield has nearly 42,000 seats. Do you know how hard it is to sell that many tickets to an interesting event, let alone to a ridiculous one? My guess is that there will be an embarrassingly small turnout and the decision to exclude women is not going to help them fill seats. Somebody stands to lose alot of money on the narishkeit. This almost irrelevant event is getting way too much attention.

Don't worry they will do as is done at levayas of gedolim. When 5,000
attend, you add just one zero and write 50,000 attended.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:38 PM The_Truth Says:

What do they hope to achieve with the Asifa?
- People who have internet suddenly stop using it? I'm sure all who read this will agree that its not going to happen.
- Everyone who doesnt have will get a filter/buddy? Even if that would happen, it is easy to bypass, plus all cellphones / new gadgets have wifi access.

I'm sure all the people who will go to it WILL learn much that will open their eyes as to what goes on - which could be opening a can of worms to some naive, sheltered people.

I think women SHOULD be invited to the Asifa, and its more important than the men that they go - they should know what a huge yetza hara the internet is for men; how destructive it can be to them and their family life and that the women are generally the ones who run the home, what comes in & the chinuch of the kids.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:40 PM Yossi Says:

If you bring 25,000 women to the Asifa this will calculate to at least 5000 baby sitters while they are at the stadium...I believe it becomes too costly and every yiddishe mother who cares about to have a erliche house will be more then happy to hear from their father or husband what the Asifa is all about..
Of course there will always be critic , the sooten who is working 24-7 to be metame our generation will find thousands of critics that something is wrong with this asife...
If anyone feels its politics or money involved just stay home but dont bash the organizers...

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:01 PM sane Says:

I fail to why this Asifa engenders such vitriolic responses. Why must there be sarcasm? No one is being forced to go. If you don't want to go then just don't go. There is no need to mock it.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:57 PM Gabbai Sheini Says:

What happened to yiddishe temimus, and acceptance that gedolim direct us how to proceed?

25

 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:49 PM UseYourHead Says:

I almost want to go just to see the low turnout, but I suppose that would be self-defeating.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 01:48 PM Brighton Beach Belz Says:

Better they should have rented out the Met's Minor League stadium, the Brooklyn Cyclone's MCU Park. That seats about 8,000, so this way they wouldn't be embarassed to sit in a stadium that is going to look quite empty.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:06 PM a-simple-jew Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Don't worry they will do as is done at levayas of gedolim. When 5,000
attend, you add just one zero and write 50,000 attended.

I don't care what your opinion is regarding the asifa - but your comment is disgusting ! (and untrue).

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:17 PM I'm a woman Says:

I am a woman and as crazy as it may sound- I actually have been addicted to the internet. At first it wad harmless stuff and then I started getting tempted to explore. Baruch HaShem I have never gone into chat rooms but I struggle not to open the computer...and each day I say I will download K9. I was really interested in going to this asifa and I am very disapointed that women are not invited. Doesn't it say "al titosh toras imecha?" Mothers spend more time with their children usually and they need to be educated for themselves (I know many women struggling) and also, for their children. If they believe in their cause then its important for all of society. (The tznius issue could be dealt with like the siyum hashas.)

29

 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:22 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #24  
Gabbai Sheini Says:

What happened to yiddishe temimus, and acceptance that gedolim direct us how to proceed?

Which gedolim? Any of them named? Or just unidentified 'gedolim and admorim'?

30

 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:31 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #16  
Berel Says:

We all know why they are making the event, and we all know the harms of the internet, Unfortunatly, i will be unable to attend the event, but there is a need for it.
Years ago when one wanted to view inappropriate material (No, not just Peoples magazine) they would have to go to gas station, and hope noone would see them buying it....
Now you just go online--- (disable your filter) and surf..
We all know its wrong-- we just do not want to admit, that we (even adults need a filter).
Maybe we should have an anyomous survey online--- if you ever saw something that your wife would kill you if she knew you looked at it online---
I bet she probably would never let you work with a computer again--

This is about awarnesss---
There is a need- and lets grow up..

I think they dont want women there--- as they are affraid so many of them would want a divorce if they found out what goes on.....

"Years ago when one wanted to view inappropriate material they would have to go to the gas station" many years ago one who wanted to talk Loson Horo had to go to visit his/her friends now we have the telephone. Why are the Rabbonim use it? Loson Horo is worse. It Kills. See Rambam,Gemoro.

31

 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:36 PM UseYourHead Says:

Of course the women were not invited, they are supposed to be out working!

32

 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Berel Says:

We all know why they are making the event, and we all know the harms of the internet, Unfortunatly, i will be unable to attend the event, but there is a need for it.
Years ago when one wanted to view inappropriate material (No, not just Peoples magazine) they would have to go to gas station, and hope noone would see them buying it....
Now you just go online--- (disable your filter) and surf..
We all know its wrong-- we just do not want to admit, that we (even adults need a filter).
Maybe we should have an anyomous survey online--- if you ever saw something that your wife would kill you if she knew you looked at it online---
I bet she probably would never let you work with a computer again--

This is about awarnesss---
There is a need- and lets grow up..

I think they dont want women there--- as they are affraid so many of them would want a divorce if they found out what goes on.....

"I think they dont want women there-as they are affraid so many of them would want a divorce if they found out what goes on.." Are you kidding? Most women are very happy with their husbands, if they do inapproppriate stuff, rather do it home than Gas Station, 3rd ave. etc. like before. Its less expensive and dont get sick. Are you saying that before the internet there was no Znus? Open up a Chumish,Tnach,Gemoroh and start learning.

33

 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:43 PM grandpajoe Says:

All of you are quite befuddled - what did they do at the Siyum Hashass in Madison Square Garden years ago, and all the other Venues that it was held.
The Sick part of the whole haredi community is that they DO NOT KNOW how to work in the real world - and that is what is causing us all the problems we have today.

34

 Apr 27, 2012 at 02:44 PM Brooklyn mom Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

If they can have both genders at the Siyyum Hashas, then why can't both be at this asefa?

35

 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:09 PM GS Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

Are you going to be davening there?

36

 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:18 PM Stickpick Says:

As soon as I saw the ad to buy tickets to attend this oifgebluzene asifa. The alarm rang....

NOTHING MORE THAN MONEY MADE EASY

37

 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:19 PM Anonymous Says:

I can almost bet that all these asifa bashers surf the net and visit inappropriate sites otherwise that wouldn't bash it , they don't want this asifa cause it gives them a guilty conscious, its like the hatred from an am haretz to a talmud chacham, they are so under the yitzra dareiyas and at such a high level of tumah, that's why they talk that way, if they were acting in a kedushadig way they would be all for it

38

 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:21 PM Draye Says:

the writer is mistaken that no american gedolim signed on to this.Rav Dovid Feinstein Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky Rav Malkiel Kotler among others are prominently signed on the "kol korays".Why be negative to something that can possibly help some people and hurt no one?

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:23 PM Shmeel Says:

The Gedoylim know what they are doing, It is well known that men are the ones that suffer the problems of the Intrenet. You don't see women walking around with those smart phones with the big screen looking at who knows what kind of tumah.

40

 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:31 PM lostinCA Says:

Reply to #28  
I'm a woman Says:

I am a woman and as crazy as it may sound- I actually have been addicted to the internet. At first it wad harmless stuff and then I started getting tempted to explore. Baruch HaShem I have never gone into chat rooms but I struggle not to open the computer...and each day I say I will download K9. I was really interested in going to this asifa and I am very disapointed that women are not invited. Doesn't it say "al titosh toras imecha?" Mothers spend more time with their children usually and they need to be educated for themselves (I know many women struggling) and also, for their children. If they believe in their cause then its important for all of society. (The tznius issue could be dealt with like the siyum hashas.)

since the internet is here to stay, and finally these rabbonim woke up that issurs and cheirems aren't working, they think some asifa will do the trick. i have inside knowledge on this event, and it's a bigger joke than anyone can think.

if you really want to protect yourself and your children, here is two simple steps that work better than any kol koreh:

1. download k9 as a filter http://www1.k9webprotection.com/. its free and it works!
2. set up covenant eyes. http://www.covenanteyes.com/ it costs $9 a month and it will force you to "behave". every webstroke is recorded to a friend that you choose and it make you accountable for every website you visit. it was designed by evangelical christians and i know many rabbonim who quietly use it for their own computers.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:32 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #24  
Gabbai Sheini Says:

What happened to yiddishe temimus, and acceptance that gedolim direct us how to proceed?

Sad to say that's long gone, along with real gedolim.

42

 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Why are Women attending the Siyum Hashas, did the learn the Daf, which shul has shirum for Women for the Daf

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:39 PM Bluntness Says:

Because in their minds, women are the property of their husband, so the husband would go home and enforce the no-internet-in-this-house rule..

44

 Apr 27, 2012 at 03:48 PM FBF37 Says:

It's three weeks away the asifa. This is very easy to fix. All they need to do is have locations in Monsey, Lakewood, Brooklyn etc.... with live video of the asifa. Win win situation.

45

 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:02 PM Brisker Says:

Men only? yes-because-It's not about the internet, It's to rein in the Bloggers that are publicizing shortcomings & coverups.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:06 PM RebKlemson Says:

This whole thing is ridiculous because:

1) the gedolim preaching have no idea how to even use the internet
2) ever heard of wi-fi? Can you filter that? its beyond your control
3) whoever does show up will be so bored they will have to resort to using the internet they brought with them (iphone, android, ipad)
4) the nashim will be home using the internet until the husband comes home.

ahhh mamish a kiddush hashem birishus harabim! why not yankee stadium too via live hookup

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:09 PM LMSW- Says:

What is absolutely horrifying and is perhaps a more corrosive issue than the Internet , is one that the the author and commentators below are bringing to the forefront .

There is a blatant disregard and lack of respect for our gedoilim. Every individual feels his opinion is the most logical and as soon as the gedoilim say anything that conflicts with their little works they throw the gedoilim under the bus.
A common theme is that gedoilim are gullible enough to be misled by their oppressive gabbaim or are too sheltered and unrealistic not understanding the complicated dynamics of modern day society .
This disdain is indicative of a new modern man who is egotistical and self centered , the world revolving around his very limited periphery.

One thing to keep in mind is that our gedoilim are brilliant in mind and brilliant I'm ther dealings wig people which is why they have made it this far...

Furthermore logic withstanding there is a element of siyata dish maya theyvare granted on making decisions that will lead klal Yisroel along the path that may only be recognized as preferred in hindsight.

Third of all it is important to differentiate between how we make decisions and how the gedoilim . Our decisions are a product of our logical facilities , thinking styles and personality traits. As different as each of us are is how diverse our thinking is. Our every decision is subjective connected to our lives and our preferences. Opinions , feelings and facts are all intertwined through our life's experiences and become a convulaluted an flawed system.

Our gedoilim on the other hand look to the Torah for guidance on any given issue. The tora is neither subjective nor flawed and cannot be mistaken. A gadol who is capable of defining and interpreting the toras approach can never be wrong. Evaluatin their decisions based on logic and effectiveness is redo ploys for the ways of god are hidden and cannot be evaluated only years later. The gedoilim have access to the toras guidance which is above logic and is eternal.

I will end with one of the greatest examples of this written by rabbi dessler .

Mordechai hatsaadik warns do not go to the party. Logic dictates we do not anger a king who can and will easily destroy us. We are not supposed to rely on a nais

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:20 PM Rabbi_CS Says:

Reply to #39  
Shmeel Says:

The Gedoylim know what they are doing, It is well known that men are the ones that suffer the problems of the Intrenet. You don't see women walking around with those smart phones with the big screen looking at who knows what kind of tumah.

Shmeel, there is one big problem with what you are saying. As Rabbi Fink pointed out on his facebook page, when the organizers announced the event, they used "real life" stories of people who were Machshil because of the internet... and TWO WERE ABOUT GIRLS!!
One dropped out of Bais Yaakov because of the internet, one went off the derech and fell to Christianity.
If the point of the internet is to stop those stories, we need the women to be aware of these problems also.
Not to mention, that if the fathers are away from home 24/7, it is the MOTHERS who are charged with making sure their children stay pure.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:22 PM LMSW- Says:

My comment was cut off.....

So Mordechai illogically warns from attending the party. The Jews listen and all is well. Achashveiroish is appeased and a catastrophe averted.

Eleven years go by and a similar scenario arrises. Haman is in need of some attention and requires all to bow. Once again Mordechai adopts a dangerous illogical approach and klal Yisroel begs him not to anger haman. This time klal Yisroel is even more confident in their approach because last time they proved to be correct. So again they beg. Mordechai ignores them and angers haman and we all know what happens next......
If one views the story from a logical standpoint Mordechai is the naive illogical extremist and klal Yisroel the modern day clear thinking body..

But out sages tell us that all of the logic is wrong and that what really went on was as follows.....

Attending the party caused the decree in shamayim that allowed haman to convince the king years later . Had the Jews not gone to the party the entire episode with haman would not have occurred. Furthermore Mordechai as a gadol understood that hashem was going to allow haman to win so he did the only thing he could do and decided to tedeem the son of klal Yisroel by doing now what they should have done then...and so he stands up for the Torah and angers haman . Although in simple terms of cause and effect and logic he created the problem in reality he was providing the only solution.

Clearly this illustrates the hidden and beautiful ways of the gedoilim which is beyond logic and worldliness transcending natural revs and tapping in to the toras all knowing, eternal and all encompassing existence.

May we merit to respect and follow the gedoilim who are extensions of the Torah and beloved by god ..

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:24 PM torah4me Says:

people can agree or disagree with the details of the venue, speakers, and endorsers. but cant we all agree that this is a huge problem and the organizers have GOOD intentions and DO care to solve this problem and the problem is a big one. somehow fink managed to get us all focused on something irrelevant just so that he can spew his venom on orthodox jews with good intentions.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:29 PM 5towns Says:

I have no idea why they didn't include women in the asifa but I have one big hope and that is because they are going to talk about pornography. I am a woman and I read and hear about how rampant internet porn is and I still find it shocking - kal v'chomer a nice charedi sheltered woman (I do not self identify as charedi, I am a bais yaakov and BJJ graduate though, and call myself "normal orthodox" I am not modern -I wear a sheitel and cover my elbows and knees)

A point about covenant eyes, I have it and if you get it through WebChaver instead of directly through covenant eyes it is only $4.99 a month so you can save the $$.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 04:34 PM Anonymous Says:

it seems i am the only one who noticed that one of the ways to get info is by email.....kind of ironic, don't you think?

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:20 PM GS Says:

What is the event about? From one source I heard it's about "kosher" tech, from another it's gathering to try to ban internet again then some say it's come kind of shmutz addict event ?

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:26 PM Chamor HaDor Says:

Reply to #24  
Gabbai Sheini Says:

What happened to yiddishe temimus, and acceptance that gedolim direct us how to proceed?

As I stated in #1, this is a $$$ making event concocted by some rabbonim with - let's be dan l'kaf zchus, a positive agenda.
Now reality: Renting out this stadium runs into astronomical figures. They think they're going to get 2/3 of the stadium filled and make up their investment plus a kickback from the vendors who will be promoting their "specialty" wares. Sadly for them, people won't travel so far to spend time and money to hear ina public forumwhat they've heard so many times already. The curious will attend - but they're a minority. I wish them success.
This could have and should have been done in a smaller public arena WITHOUT an admission fee, ladies included and it would have been far more authentic.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:27 PM Ahuvah54 Says:

Reply to #17  
InNY Says:

Your correct we need to raise awareness, in this case we should gather all Rebbtzines for an Asifah for woman.. but we know it will never happen.

There have been asifahs for women. I went to one maybe 10 years ago, and Rav Mattisyahu Salomon spoke to us. It was at Ateres Chynka in Brooklyn and it was packed.

58

 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:31 PM kehati Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Why are Women attending the Siyum Hashas, did the learn the Daf, which shul has shirum for Women for the Daf

Women have always attended the Siyum Hashas including the very first one in Poland in approximately 1930, which was graced by the presence of the Gedolim ( the real deal!) of that era

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:35 PM PowerUp Says:

I'm sorry but this op-ed is soooo stupid, there are million reason why this is not appropriate for woman, but the main reason, if the mothers will also come, who will watch the children they should not go onto the internet???!!

The KLAL of "koy soimar L'beis yakov, vesagid livny yisroel" apply's here too, Men need a mens talk, a rabbi or a baal darshen screaming at the podium won't cut it for women, and women need a seperate event, their lingo, their tone.....

And there are many other reasons, but if some people hate everything the rabunim want to do, they will never be right.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:53 PM hadar Says:

Like someone once told me, that its all bill gates fault, as before he was around, no one ever went of the derech, and since kosher phones came out, not one bochur has also gone of the derech.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:59 PM rationalman Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

The question is great one but the answers is a simple one. Our Gedolim sometimes don't know what a sin is and have a hard time imagining it. Only when they are told that the at-risk numbers are skyrocketing do they start to realize that something is wrong here. Even then - do they get it. only when it's too late do they really panic and make asifah's. My guess is that they haven't yet seen the down spiral in girls and woman going off the derech.

that in itself a travesty. the number of teen pregnancies - girls that come from frum homes has been rising geometrically. and yes - the at risk numbers are skyrocketing. but the internet is not to blame. it is that we are not raising ehrliche yidden. we are raising frauds. yeshivas change policy to create exclusivity; thereby rejecting more than half their student body - except if you have money then it doesn't matter. i will call out two Brooklyn schools - toras emes and now tiferes yisroel. people sent their children there thinking it was a good school, when the child reaches 5, 6, or 7th grade they then make the decision to change the rules and tell you your child is not getting in to the high school. why? was he a bad child ? no ....we are only taking in top children. what is supposed to happen to these children? and post high school - is every child an academic that should continue learning and even into kollel. no! that was NEVER the case in Jewish history. but the child that feels he is being coerced into it learns to be a fraud...and it carries itself into his entire religious package. i could go on - but what is the point - we are being suckered into a new religion

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 05:59 PM perplexed jew Says:

last year our sons yeshiva called us down to an emergency meeting regarding the problems of the internet and cell phones. both mothers and fathers were asked to come. why is this asifa any diffrent are we getting frumer this year?
why hasn't anyone mentioned the fact that 2 hours before the speeches begin vendors will be showcasing their filter products for the oilem to purchase. all of a sudden this important event has become a money maker for those selling the useless filters. hope someone sets up a hotdog stands out of his minivan to feed the hungry masses. anyone know if tailgate parties will be allowed by the askonim.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 06:00 PM PowerUp Says:

So a rabbi who has a facebook page is going to tell me daas torah versus rabbi matisyahu solomon and a list of atleast 50 rabbanim that signed off on this, all of them are talmidie chachamim who sat yomom v'leila and learned, and here comes an ordained "you must be kidding" rabbi..........

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 06:13 PM temimosdiger Says:

Reply to #24  
Gabbai Sheini Says:

What happened to yiddishe temimus, and acceptance that gedolim direct us how to proceed?

Which "Gedolim". The ones that are in court? How about the ones that are fighting over "monetary" things? GEDOLIM???? What generation are you living in?

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 06:20 PM D Tamar Says:

Reply to #47  
LMSW- Says:

What is absolutely horrifying and is perhaps a more corrosive issue than the Internet , is one that the the author and commentators below are bringing to the forefront .

There is a blatant disregard and lack of respect for our gedoilim. Every individual feels his opinion is the most logical and as soon as the gedoilim say anything that conflicts with their little works they throw the gedoilim under the bus.
A common theme is that gedoilim are gullible enough to be misled by their oppressive gabbaim or are too sheltered and unrealistic not understanding the complicated dynamics of modern day society .
This disdain is indicative of a new modern man who is egotistical and self centered , the world revolving around his very limited periphery.

One thing to keep in mind is that our gedoilim are brilliant in mind and brilliant I'm ther dealings wig people which is why they have made it this far...

Furthermore logic withstanding there is a element of siyata dish maya theyvare granted on making decisions that will lead klal Yisroel along the path that may only be recognized as preferred in hindsight.

Third of all it is important to differentiate between how we make decisions and how the gedoilim . Our decisions are a product of our logical facilities , thinking styles and personality traits. As different as each of us are is how diverse our thinking is. Our every decision is subjective connected to our lives and our preferences. Opinions , feelings and facts are all intertwined through our life's experiences and become a convulaluted an flawed system.

Our gedoilim on the other hand look to the Torah for guidance on any given issue. The tora is neither subjective nor flawed and cannot be mistaken. A gadol who is capable of defining and interpreting the toras approach can never be wrong. Evaluatin their decisions based on logic and effectiveness is redo ploys for the ways of god are hidden and cannot be evaluated only years later. The gedoilim have access to the toras guidance which is above logic and is eternal.

I will end with one of the greatest examples of this written by rabbi dessler .

Mordechai hatsaadik warns do not go to the party. Logic dictates we do not anger a king who can and will easily destroy us. We are not supposed to rely on a nais

Mr. Koolaid drinker who says
"Third of all it is important to differentiate between how we make decisions and how the gedoilim . Our decisions are a product of our logical facilities , thinking styles and personality traits. As different as each of us are is how diverse our thinking is. Our every decision is subjective connected to our lives and our preferences. Opinions , feelings and facts are all intertwined through our life's experiences and become a convulaluted an flawed system. "
Hence using your logic your opinion on Gedolim is flawed. Figure that out.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 06:30 PM yankey Says:

Reply to #47  
LMSW- Says:

What is absolutely horrifying and is perhaps a more corrosive issue than the Internet , is one that the the author and commentators below are bringing to the forefront .

There is a blatant disregard and lack of respect for our gedoilim. Every individual feels his opinion is the most logical and as soon as the gedoilim say anything that conflicts with their little works they throw the gedoilim under the bus.
A common theme is that gedoilim are gullible enough to be misled by their oppressive gabbaim or are too sheltered and unrealistic not understanding the complicated dynamics of modern day society .
This disdain is indicative of a new modern man who is egotistical and self centered , the world revolving around his very limited periphery.

One thing to keep in mind is that our gedoilim are brilliant in mind and brilliant I'm ther dealings wig people which is why they have made it this far...

Furthermore logic withstanding there is a element of siyata dish maya theyvare granted on making decisions that will lead klal Yisroel along the path that may only be recognized as preferred in hindsight.

Third of all it is important to differentiate between how we make decisions and how the gedoilim . Our decisions are a product of our logical facilities , thinking styles and personality traits. As different as each of us are is how diverse our thinking is. Our every decision is subjective connected to our lives and our preferences. Opinions , feelings and facts are all intertwined through our life's experiences and become a convulaluted an flawed system.

Our gedoilim on the other hand look to the Torah for guidance on any given issue. The tora is neither subjective nor flawed and cannot be mistaken. A gadol who is capable of defining and interpreting the toras approach can never be wrong. Evaluatin their decisions based on logic and effectiveness is redo ploys for the ways of god are hidden and cannot be evaluated only years later. The gedoilim have access to the toras guidance which is above logic and is eternal.

I will end with one of the greatest examples of this written by rabbi dessler .

Mordechai hatsaadik warns do not go to the party. Logic dictates we do not anger a king who can and will easily destroy us. We are not supposed to rely on a nais

Let me tell you untill the rabbinic don't address real hard issues that our Olim are suffering such as the yeshiva crissis or financial issues and our kids not being accepted in schools for any stupid reason any asifa any letter will be ignored and laughed at the only way you can fill this stadium is if u offer delicious hot dishes that will be served with some entertaiment otherwise it's a waste of money and time

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 06:36 PM D Tamar Says:

Reply to #47  
LMSW- Says:

What is absolutely horrifying and is perhaps a more corrosive issue than the Internet , is one that the the author and commentators below are bringing to the forefront .

There is a blatant disregard and lack of respect for our gedoilim. Every individual feels his opinion is the most logical and as soon as the gedoilim say anything that conflicts with their little works they throw the gedoilim under the bus.
A common theme is that gedoilim are gullible enough to be misled by their oppressive gabbaim or are too sheltered and unrealistic not understanding the complicated dynamics of modern day society .
This disdain is indicative of a new modern man who is egotistical and self centered , the world revolving around his very limited periphery.

One thing to keep in mind is that our gedoilim are brilliant in mind and brilliant I'm ther dealings wig people which is why they have made it this far...

Furthermore logic withstanding there is a element of siyata dish maya theyvare granted on making decisions that will lead klal Yisroel along the path that may only be recognized as preferred in hindsight.

Third of all it is important to differentiate between how we make decisions and how the gedoilim . Our decisions are a product of our logical facilities , thinking styles and personality traits. As different as each of us are is how diverse our thinking is. Our every decision is subjective connected to our lives and our preferences. Opinions , feelings and facts are all intertwined through our life's experiences and become a convulaluted an flawed system.

Our gedoilim on the other hand look to the Torah for guidance on any given issue. The tora is neither subjective nor flawed and cannot be mistaken. A gadol who is capable of defining and interpreting the toras approach can never be wrong. Evaluatin their decisions based on logic and effectiveness is redo ploys for the ways of god are hidden and cannot be evaluated only years later. The gedoilim have access to the toras guidance which is above logic and is eternal.

I will end with one of the greatest examples of this written by rabbi dessler .

Mordechai hatsaadik warns do not go to the party. Logic dictates we do not anger a king who can and will easily destroy us. We are not supposed to rely on a nais

BTW Did you ever think about why G-D gave us brains? He should have just made us robots that follow the leader. Hmm maybe you are a bot.

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 06:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
PowerUp Says:

I'm sorry but this op-ed is soooo stupid, there are million reason why this is not appropriate for woman, but the main reason, if the mothers will also come, who will watch the children they should not go onto the internet???!!

The KLAL of "koy soimar L'beis yakov, vesagid livny yisroel" apply's here too, Men need a mens talk, a rabbi or a baal darshen screaming at the podium won't cut it for women, and women need a seperate event, their lingo, their tone.....

And there are many other reasons, but if some people hate everything the rabunim want to do, they will never be right.

Wrong it's not hate for rabbunim it's the people see we have so many pressing issues that are real issues example fine erlich buckram not being accepted in a yeshiva where parents just can't do anything they are helpless at least Internet it's your option not to go on unkosher sites but if a buchir is not accept in a yeshiva and his next step is go on the street and the parents see their death in front of their eyes and ar helpless that's a real crissis and there are thousands of cases where is the asifa for that where is the asifa to try to help people financially thousands are struggling show them u care talk about those issues not only whe it comes to my inmmorality Internet lipa smeltzer

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 Apr 27, 2012 at 07:13 PM Queenbee Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Why are Women attending the Siyum Hashas, did the learn the Daf, which shul has shirum for Women for the Daf

Who enables the men and sons to learn?
As Rabbi Akiva told his talmidim "My Torah is her Torah".

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 01:43 PM Yochanan Says:

Reply to #68  
Anonymous Says:

Wrong it's not hate for rabbunim it's the people see we have so many pressing issues that are real issues example fine erlich buckram not being accepted in a yeshiva where parents just can't do anything they are helpless at least Internet it's your option not to go on unkosher sites but if a buchir is not accept in a yeshiva and his next step is go on the street and the parents see their death in front of their eyes and ar helpless that's a real crissis and there are thousands of cases where is the asifa for that where is the asifa to try to help people financially thousands are struggling show them u care talk about those issues not only whe it comes to my inmmorality Internet lipa smeltzer

"if a buchir is not accept in a yeshiva and his next step is go on the street "

Why should the "buchir" go on the street? What's wrong with getting a job and earning a living?

Someone here on VIN will now flame me, saying that my suggestion is "against daas Torah". that I am a self-hating Jew, that I will forfeit my share of olam haba, that I am an apikoirus, etc etc etc.

But, deep in all your hearts, you all know that I am perfectly correct.

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 10:05 PM Despise The Mets Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

Its a baseball stadium, its not oval shaped. Whatever the shape, its NOT oval.

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 10:35 PM MINBP Says:

Can you order he tickets online ?

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 10:56 PM rjh18 Says:

First off I work in computer security and am very familiar with filters, keyloggers etc. There are some that are easy to bypass and others that 99.9% would not be able to crack. They are stealth filters and cost around $100. They log all activity including passwords and are invisible. So the idea that good quality filters can be easily bypassed is completely false.

The author seems to suggest that filters are not the answer and we need to find ways to live with our kids being exposed to the internet by educating them more about Jewish values. This is what is called a partial truth. While its true that we need to deal with technological advances and acclimate ourselves better to the world in which we live, that doesn't mean that we should ignore the dangers and difficulties of unfettered access. That would be pure foolishness. Not to protect our children's eyes gives a message to the child that your are not worth protecting. Most issues with troubled kids lies in a lack of self esteem. Pay attention to your child and find out why he/she feels so badly about themselves. Acknowledge their struggles, encourage them, love them & set firm limits including internet access.

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 11:13 PM david Says:

Hi , Eli, we went to yeshiva together. nice to hear that you are a Rabbi now , good luck.
but I think liberal california has gotten to your head. First off if you wouldve calked the organizers, you wouldve gotten answers to all your questions.
A. it is very hard to keep such an event separate. the hope is that it will influence tge families from within.
B. yes the mashgiach is the number one backer behind this. the net is the number ill for klal yisrael today and must be addresses.
c. yes this is a fundraiser for tge org that deals with these problems.
d. if peopl have better solutions plz address thwm to the org. they want tohear from u

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 11:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Years ago when one wanted to view inappropriate material they would have to go to the gas station" many years ago one who wanted to talk Loson Horo had to go to visit his/her friends now we have the telephone. Why are the Rabbonim use it? Loson Horo is worse. It Kills. See Rambam,Gemoro.

I don't think the dangers of the internet include accessibility of inappropriate material but rather the internet allows people with similar grievances "find" each other quicker (i.e. Facebook) and that's what the Rabbi's are afraid of . Rabbi's listen the Rabbi Teitelbaum - it's not the internet but our approach on how we raise children. Children need to be guided and not controlled - religion has a frame work for this!

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 11:40 PM SammyL Says:

Reply to #70  
Yochanan Says:

"if a buchir is not accept in a yeshiva and his next step is go on the street "

Why should the "buchir" go on the street? What's wrong with getting a job and earning a living?

Someone here on VIN will now flame me, saying that my suggestion is "against daas Torah". that I am a self-hating Jew, that I will forfeit my share of olam haba, that I am an apikoirus, etc etc etc.

But, deep in all your hearts, you all know that I am perfectly correct.

I've been reading VIN on and off for a while and I never remember anyone getting "flamed" for the suggestions you make. Don't make yourself into a martyr.

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 Apr 28, 2012 at 11:58 PM haltkup Says:

Reply to #47  
LMSW- Says:

What is absolutely horrifying and is perhaps a more corrosive issue than the Internet , is one that the the author and commentators below are bringing to the forefront .

There is a blatant disregard and lack of respect for our gedoilim. Every individual feels his opinion is the most logical and as soon as the gedoilim say anything that conflicts with their little works they throw the gedoilim under the bus.
A common theme is that gedoilim are gullible enough to be misled by their oppressive gabbaim or are too sheltered and unrealistic not understanding the complicated dynamics of modern day society .
This disdain is indicative of a new modern man who is egotistical and self centered , the world revolving around his very limited periphery.

One thing to keep in mind is that our gedoilim are brilliant in mind and brilliant I'm ther dealings wig people which is why they have made it this far...

Furthermore logic withstanding there is a element of siyata dish maya theyvare granted on making decisions that will lead klal Yisroel along the path that may only be recognized as preferred in hindsight.

Third of all it is important to differentiate between how we make decisions and how the gedoilim . Our decisions are a product of our logical facilities , thinking styles and personality traits. As different as each of us are is how diverse our thinking is. Our every decision is subjective connected to our lives and our preferences. Opinions , feelings and facts are all intertwined through our life's experiences and become a convulaluted an flawed system.

Our gedoilim on the other hand look to the Torah for guidance on any given issue. The tora is neither subjective nor flawed and cannot be mistaken. A gadol who is capable of defining and interpreting the toras approach can never be wrong. Evaluatin their decisions based on logic and effectiveness is redo ploys for the ways of god are hidden and cannot be evaluated only years later. The gedoilim have access to the toras guidance which is above logic and is eternal.

I will end with one of the greatest examples of this written by rabbi dessler .

Mordechai hatsaadik warns do not go to the party. Logic dictates we do not anger a king who can and will easily destroy us. We are not supposed to rely on a nais

youre making a mistake ,the people youre talking to are non believers they will still say now to go to the party

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 01:54 AM Moone Says:

Reply to #23  
sane Says:

I fail to why this Asifa engenders such vitriolic responses. Why must there be sarcasm? No one is being forced to go. If you don't want to go then just don't go. There is no need to mock it.

Are you an out-of-towner by any chance?

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 01:56 AM Brooklynite Says:

Reply to #27  
a-simple-jew Says:

I don't care what your opinion is regarding the asifa - but your comment is disgusting ! (and untrue).

Sounds like you are a true believer of propaganda without verifying its integrity.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 02:03 AM Brooklynite Says:

Reply to #50  
torah4me Says:

people can agree or disagree with the details of the venue, speakers, and endorsers. but cant we all agree that this is a huge problem and the organizers have GOOD intentions and DO care to solve this problem and the problem is a big one. somehow fink managed to get us all focused on something irrelevant just so that he can spew his venom on orthodox jews with good intentions.

The GOOD intentions of the organizers you're referring to, are nothing more than the protection of the establishment and their status within within it.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 02:11 AM Old-timer Says:

Reply to #63  
PowerUp Says:

So a rabbi who has a facebook page is going to tell me daas torah versus rabbi matisyahu solomon and a list of atleast 50 rabbanim that signed off on this, all of them are talmidie chachamim who sat yomom v'leila and learned, and here comes an ordained "you must be kidding" rabbi..........

There was once upon a time when Rabonnim didn't have newspaper in their houses either (never mind publishing it) which is now the norm.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 08:35 AM Gershy M Says:

There are definite dangers with the internet. These dangers however, have little to do with kids at risk. Few of them attribute their being at risk to the internet. Internet is a bigger threat to frum adults. They have the ability to watch inappropriate material, and chat with members of the opposite sex. This asifah is welcomed by me.
The beauty of VIN, is that this debate, gets to the forefront the real issues. Parnussah, chinuch, how rebbeim aren't treated well, waste of klal funds, and the way our society expects people to have large families, yet every yeshiva considers itself a private organization when it serves their interests. The lack of acceptance, love, by mosdos, and all the problems with shidduchim. If you are wondering why the boy went off the derech, it may not be the internet, it may be that his father is so stressed trying to make parnussah, that he doesn't spend time dealing with his son's needs. If you wonder why a girl goes off the derech, perhaps she sees the shidduch crisis and the inequality or prospects to get married, and her family is living on the brink of crisis, and she says "I can't live this life". Speeches NO Action YES to help the poor.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
I'm a woman Says:

I am a woman and as crazy as it may sound- I actually have been addicted to the internet. At first it wad harmless stuff and then I started getting tempted to explore. Baruch HaShem I have never gone into chat rooms but I struggle not to open the computer...and each day I say I will download K9. I was really interested in going to this asifa and I am very disapointed that women are not invited. Doesn't it say "al titosh toras imecha?" Mothers spend more time with their children usually and they need to be educated for themselves (I know many women struggling) and also, for their children. If they believe in their cause then its important for all of society. (The tznius issue could be dealt with like the siyum hashas.)

I am unsure if you know this, but there is a great website www.guardyoureyes.org with many resources for people that struggling with internet addiction. You are not along, unfortunately, they are many frum people struggling with internet addiction (I am speaking here from person experience).

Personally I don’t think asifa, a huge public event, is the best way to deal with internet and dangers that it presents to frum children & adults. The better option would be more grass roots, in schools and shuls. This way it could be to tellered to the audience /community & have more positive impact.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 09:46 AM Greener Says:

Reply to #47  
LMSW- Says:

What is absolutely horrifying and is perhaps a more corrosive issue than the Internet , is one that the the author and commentators below are bringing to the forefront .

There is a blatant disregard and lack of respect for our gedoilim. Every individual feels his opinion is the most logical and as soon as the gedoilim say anything that conflicts with their little works they throw the gedoilim under the bus.
A common theme is that gedoilim are gullible enough to be misled by their oppressive gabbaim or are too sheltered and unrealistic not understanding the complicated dynamics of modern day society .
This disdain is indicative of a new modern man who is egotistical and self centered , the world revolving around his very limited periphery.

One thing to keep in mind is that our gedoilim are brilliant in mind and brilliant I'm ther dealings wig people which is why they have made it this far...

Furthermore logic withstanding there is a element of siyata dish maya theyvare granted on making decisions that will lead klal Yisroel along the path that may only be recognized as preferred in hindsight.

Third of all it is important to differentiate between how we make decisions and how the gedoilim . Our decisions are a product of our logical facilities , thinking styles and personality traits. As different as each of us are is how diverse our thinking is. Our every decision is subjective connected to our lives and our preferences. Opinions , feelings and facts are all intertwined through our life's experiences and become a convulaluted an flawed system.

Our gedoilim on the other hand look to the Torah for guidance on any given issue. The tora is neither subjective nor flawed and cannot be mistaken. A gadol who is capable of defining and interpreting the toras approach can never be wrong. Evaluatin their decisions based on logic and effectiveness is redo ploys for the ways of god are hidden and cannot be evaluated only years later. The gedoilim have access to the toras guidance which is above logic and is eternal.

I will end with one of the greatest examples of this written by rabbi dessler .

Mordechai hatsaadik warns do not go to the party. Logic dictates we do not anger a king who can and will easily destroy us. We are not supposed to rely on a nais

Hey, LMSW, I'm a 4 star godol. (I am hoping to get my 5th and final star before Shavuos.) Now this ranking is from the IGA (International Godol Association) so I must be taken seriously, i.e. what I say is golden, so hear me: One man's godol is another man's katan. And also common sense was distributed equally by HaShem to all of us.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 09:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
PowerUp Says:

I'm sorry but this op-ed is soooo stupid, there are million reason why this is not appropriate for woman, but the main reason, if the mothers will also come, who will watch the children they should not go onto the internet???!!

The KLAL of "koy soimar L'beis yakov, vesagid livny yisroel" apply's here too, Men need a mens talk, a rabbi or a baal darshen screaming at the podium won't cut it for women, and women need a seperate event, their lingo, their tone.....

And there are many other reasons, but if some people hate everything the rabunim want to do, they will never be right.

Power Up, you made my day. I loved the lines, "Men need a mens talk, a rabbi or a baal darshen screaming at the podium won't cut it for women, and women need a seperate event, their lingo, their tone....." I plotzed laughing.
P.S. My friend says you were serious; say it ain't so, Po.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 10:30 AM J-R-S Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

And how do you plan to make a mechitza? the stadium is oval shaped.

You’re kidding, right? They could have a section set aside for women. There’s absolutely no halacha that women can’t sit among men in a huge public stadium, but that would certainly suffice.

But anyway, you were joking, right?

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
qazxc Says:

Which gedolim? Any of them named? Or just unidentified 'gedolim and admorim'?

while I may not be able to make it and Don't fully understand the point of it gedolim endorse it. You say what gedolim for one Skulener Rebbe. Whether you are chasidish or not. Facts are he was in jail with his father by ther communists in Romina for spreading yiddishkiet in the 50's. It was a nies that he got out. Read up about the neis you can google it.He is the ooposite of a self promter. All his years he has never taken money for his chasidis all doantions go to chesed lavrahm for russian children where they do not make them into skulner chasdim just frum jews. That is why he does not have a big chasidus because he never cared about promoting himself rather yiddishkiet.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
Gershy M Says:

There are definite dangers with the internet. These dangers however, have little to do with kids at risk. Few of them attribute their being at risk to the internet. Internet is a bigger threat to frum adults. They have the ability to watch inappropriate material, and chat with members of the opposite sex. This asifah is welcomed by me.
The beauty of VIN, is that this debate, gets to the forefront the real issues. Parnussah, chinuch, how rebbeim aren't treated well, waste of klal funds, and the way our society expects people to have large families, yet every yeshiva considers itself a private organization when it serves their interests. The lack of acceptance, love, by mosdos, and all the problems with shidduchim. If you are wondering why the boy went off the derech, it may not be the internet, it may be that his father is so stressed trying to make parnussah, that he doesn't spend time dealing with his son's needs. If you wonder why a girl goes off the derech, perhaps she sees the shidduch crisis and the inequality or prospects to get married, and her family is living on the brink of crisis, and she says "I can't live this life". Speeches NO Action YES to help the poor.

You are right.
I think the fundamental danger posed by the internet is the ease in which frum unhappily married people (who may be lacking in their judgment, morals or faith) are able to contact or meet other like minded people. Unfortunately, many men also now have cyber addicitions, putting their marraiges at risk.
The "teens at risk" issue is a lot more complicated but it is easy for the Rabbis to blame the internet.
Most of these teens would fault an emotionally or verbally abusive Rebbi, or a flawed yeshiva system...before the internet.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 03:03 PM QCoverage Says:

Reply to #40  
lostinCA Says:

since the internet is here to stay, and finally these rabbonim woke up that issurs and cheirems aren't working, they think some asifa will do the trick. i have inside knowledge on this event, and it's a bigger joke than anyone can think.

if you really want to protect yourself and your children, here is two simple steps that work better than any kol koreh:

1. download k9 as a filter http://www1.k9webprotection.com/. its free and it works!
2. set up covenant eyes. http://www.covenanteyes.com/ it costs $9 a month and it will force you to "behave". every webstroke is recorded to a friend that you choose and it make you accountable for every website you visit. it was designed by evangelical christians and i know many rabbonim who quietly use it for their own computers.

1. try running any business or taking any classes using k9 then come back to me in frustration like anybody who uses k9
2. try convincing any business partners to let someone view your computer while you are viewing sensitive company documents and see how far that gets you

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 03:10 PM Qcoverage Says:

Reply to #74  
david Says:

Hi , Eli, we went to yeshiva together. nice to hear that you are a Rabbi now , good luck.
but I think liberal california has gotten to your head. First off if you wouldve calked the organizers, you wouldve gotten answers to all your questions.
A. it is very hard to keep such an event separate. the hope is that it will influence tge families from within.
B. yes the mashgiach is the number one backer behind this. the net is the number ill for klal yisrael today and must be addresses.
c. yes this is a fundraiser for tge org that deals with these problems.
d. if peopl have better solutions plz address thwm to the org. they want tohear from u

they want to hear from you thats a good joke. in my opinion they tend to shoot first and ask questions later. a. have a separate event for women b. that is simply hilarious there are numerous other crises - so this tops the financial crises the shidduch crisis and kids off the derech thats nice to hear c. a fundraiser - how exactly are they recouping the money for renting citi field $10 a person will not cover that. d. there is a severe lack of trust after certain rabbonim went around bashing working people for using the internet very publicly - stop making the working people out to be the evil ones who you have to make allowances for. they should admit that there were mistakes that were made and many people would probably be much more in favor of such an asifah

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 03:17 PM Qcoverage Says:

Reply to #73  
rjh18 Says:

First off I work in computer security and am very familiar with filters, keyloggers etc. There are some that are easy to bypass and others that 99.9% would not be able to crack. They are stealth filters and cost around $100. They log all activity including passwords and are invisible. So the idea that good quality filters can be easily bypassed is completely false.

The author seems to suggest that filters are not the answer and we need to find ways to live with our kids being exposed to the internet by educating them more about Jewish values. This is what is called a partial truth. While its true that we need to deal with technological advances and acclimate ourselves better to the world in which we live, that doesn't mean that we should ignore the dangers and difficulties of unfettered access. That would be pure foolishness. Not to protect our children's eyes gives a message to the child that your are not worth protecting. Most issues with troubled kids lies in a lack of self esteem. Pay attention to your child and find out why he/she feels so badly about themselves. Acknowledge their struggles, encourage them, love them & set firm limits including internet access.

There is a major difference between filters and keyloggers I also have worked in an internet security firm. a keylogger means your kid has already seen something inappropriate and now you have to deal with it as opposed to a filter which prevents you from viewing inappropriate stuff. so the author is correct FILTERS are not the answer. making your kid feel like he is being watched 24/7 is not a good thing. if you use a keylogger use ur brains about how to deal with the inevitable issues that will come up and be careful how you deal with that information. keyloggers can easily be bypassed though by just install an overactive virus scanner. so i would not view that as being much of a solution either. only solution in my opinion is to keep the computer in a public space where anyone can see it but even that is not foolproof.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 03:38 PM QCoverage Says:

Reply to #70  
Yochanan Says:

"if a buchir is not accept in a yeshiva and his next step is go on the street "

Why should the "buchir" go on the street? What's wrong with getting a job and earning a living?

Someone here on VIN will now flame me, saying that my suggestion is "against daas Torah". that I am a self-hating Jew, that I will forfeit my share of olam haba, that I am an apikoirus, etc etc etc.

But, deep in all your hearts, you all know that I am perfectly correct.

The problem is that in today's society that would kill his shidduch chances and would make him unable to marry a suitable mate - assuming he still is interested in the shidduch system - when you do things that are different than anyone else people will assume you are weird and not marriage material. guys like that have a much more difficult time getting dates. for most guys this is not an acceptable option.

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 04:56 PM Reuvan_Nuchem Says:

בשאלת "כינוס הכללי" (נגד טומאת האינטערנעט) הוריתי לתלמידי הי"ו
אל תלך בדרך אתם וכו, ואינהו בדידהו אנן בדידן וכו'
ר' יצחק ל"ב שליט"א רב ור"מ דקה"י וואודרידזש נ.י. יצ"ו

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 05:47 PM newtransplant Says:

The answer to everyone is quite simple.
1) people who are 'in love' with their internet will NOT fork out $10- plus the expense of getting there.
2) there should, ideally, be a night for men and a night for women.
3) even better would be free, local, small discussions/lectures/asifos which are much more personal and to which internet users would be more likely to come.
4) who says the main internet problems are with the men?! What on earth do they think the bored women at home do?! or the disillusioned girls?!
Thus, small, local, free asifos, one day for men and one day for women - solves the babysitting problem too.....

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 06:31 PM satmar Says:

The bais hamikdosh was not destroyed because of zenus. It was destriod because of sinas chinom. Lets see all these so called rebbe's should make peace with there brothers then they can be a example for others how to lead a life

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 07:03 PM satmar Says:

The bais hamikdosh was not destroyed because of zenus but rather because of sinas chinom. Lets see these rebbes make Shalom with there own brothers first then will know that that really mean the pertzas hador

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 Apr 29, 2012 at 09:41 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #75  
Anonymous Says:

I don't think the dangers of the internet include accessibility of inappropriate material but rather the internet allows people with similar grievances "find" each other quicker (i.e. Facebook) and that's what the Rabbi's are afraid of . Rabbi's listen the Rabbi Teitelbaum - it's not the internet but our approach on how we raise children. Children need to be guided and not controlled - religion has a frame work for this!

you have a point if not for the Internet all the scandals like molestation would still be hidden from the public

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 Apr 30, 2012 at 04:10 AM annonymous Says:

for married couples if both agree, the use of the internet will not cause them to go off the derech, its only for unmarried boys and girls, which brings us to the problem of shidduchim if we get the boys and girls married [the earlier the better] there would be no internet problem. so lets make a big shidduchim event.

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 Apr 30, 2012 at 09:07 AM qazxc Says:

Reply to #98  
annonymous Says:

for married couples if both agree, the use of the internet will not cause them to go off the derech, its only for unmarried boys and girls, which brings us to the problem of shidduchim if we get the boys and girls married [the earlier the better] there would be no internet problem. so lets make a big shidduchim event.

If it weren't for all the shalom bayis problems and broken marriages caused by internet abuse/misuse/addiction I'd consider your comment very insightful.

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 Apr 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM annonymous Says:

Reply to #99  
qazxc Says:

If it weren't for all the shalom bayis problems and broken marriages caused by internet abuse/misuse/addiction I'd consider your comment very insightful.

the problem always is, that their standards dont match. and even without the internet yiddishkeit is always used as a weapon in marriage. the marriage counselors should teach them how to handle the situation when yiddishkeit comes between them. usually the woman will pretend to be much frumer than they really are. so she must ask herself what do i really want in "yiddishkeit".

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 Apr 30, 2012 at 06:26 PM FredE Says:

What a waste. The truth is jobs like Web Designing, eCommerce, etc are great opportunities for frum people. If these rabbis had any brains, they'd be encouraging internet training instead of this garbage.

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 Apr 30, 2012 at 08:01 PM rjh18 Says:

Reply to #91  
Qcoverage Says:

There is a major difference between filters and keyloggers I also have worked in an internet security firm. a keylogger means your kid has already seen something inappropriate and now you have to deal with it as opposed to a filter which prevents you from viewing inappropriate stuff. so the author is correct FILTERS are not the answer. making your kid feel like he is being watched 24/7 is not a good thing. if you use a keylogger use ur brains about how to deal with the inevitable issues that will come up and be careful how you deal with that information. keyloggers can easily be bypassed though by just install an overactive virus scanner. so i would not view that as being much of a solution either. only solution in my opinion is to keep the computer in a public space where anyone can see it but even that is not foolproof.

There are some great filters that are more costly than others. Not sure ur point Filters is not the answer. I never said it is THE answer, but part of a larger solution. Key loggers have helped me enormously in that I found out about some stuff that made me aware of a much bigger problem that I was able to deal with more successfully. Most kids are not so saavy to know to install an overactive virus scanner and if they are then all bets are off. I don't think we're discussing the few exceptions but the norm.

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 Apr 30, 2012 at 11:52 PM PashutehYid Says:

Reply to #102  
rjh18 Says:

There are some great filters that are more costly than others. Not sure ur point Filters is not the answer. I never said it is THE answer, but part of a larger solution. Key loggers have helped me enormously in that I found out about some stuff that made me aware of a much bigger problem that I was able to deal with more successfully. Most kids are not so saavy to know to install an overactive virus scanner and if they are then all bets are off. I don't think we're discussing the few exceptions but the norm.

So you're saying an overactive virus checker is no match for a hyperactive kid.

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