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Jerusalem - Knesset Rejects Marriage Equality Bill

Published on: May 16, 2012 11:26 AM
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Jerusalem - the Knesset voted down a bill on Wednesday that would allow same-sex, as well as interfaith couples to wed.

The legislation, by MK Nitzan Horowitz (Meretz) opens the option of civil marriages for those who may not be wed according to halacha (Jewish law), as well as those who choose not to be married by the Chief Rabbinate. It was rejected, with 39 MKs opposed and 11 in favor.

Horowitz said there are tens of thousands of homosexual couples in Israel, and his law would help them and others who cannot exercise the basic right to be married and build a family.

“There is an extremist, dark institution deciding who may or may not get married,” the Meretz MK said. “The public is sick of the rabbinate.”

According to Horowitz, coalition parties betrayed their secular voters by rejecting the bill, choosing to pander to haredi (ultra-orthodox) parties, instead.

“Now, more than ever, it is clear to the public in Israel who is for a free society and who is for haredim,” he added.

After Horowtiz presented his bill, Justice Minister Yaacov Ne’eman gave a succinct rebuttal: “You did not bring your bill to the Ministerial Committee for Legislation, so the government’s official stance is to oppose it. Thank you.”

Meretz leader Zehava Gal-On said she is not surprised by Ne’eman’s opposition, because he has said he is committed to building a halachic state.

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“The Knesset is adopting religious law that is anachronistic, chauvinist, racist and discriminatory, which was written thousands of years ago,” Gal-On stated, calling for separation of religion and state.

The 11 MKs in favor of civil marriages were from Meretz, Labor and Hadash, as well as Kadima MK Nino Abesadze.

Content is provided courtesy of the Jerusalem Post


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 May 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM Stay level headed Says:

Nebach on us, there are so many Yidden in the world today whose only goal is to knock down our holy Torah and undo our ancient traditions, with the highest victory conceivable to them being to hurt other Yidden. Hashem, please help heal our neshamas, all of us Yidden, we need your help.

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 May 16, 2012 at 11:43 AM PMOinFL Says:

Marriage was defined for us by H". That's all I need. Changing that is like saying we are now going to change Pesach to celebrate the cultural significance of soccer.

If you want to create some kind of legal "enjoining" agreement in which people can "enjoin" their lives for purposes of legal issues like inheritance, medical decisions, etc., that should be OK. But that should be open to ANY two adults. Two sisters who are widows may choose to enter into such an agreement to be responsible for each other under the eyes of the civil legal authorities. All of the typical protections afforded to married couples could be accepted by the parties involved. That would be OK.

The reality at the end of the day is that these couples are not looking for anyone to legitimize their sexual activity or enter into any kind of Torah marriage. They want the rights and protections afforded to themselves and the person they love and want to spend their life with. Without judging, the only way to do that is to create a a legal "enjoinment" that could apply to ANY two people and thus confer the rights without recognizing or tacitly approving the relationship.

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 May 16, 2012 at 11:55 AM Anonymous Says:

meretz, go ahead, do what you want, but please stop calling your country "Israel", please stop speaking "Hebrew", and please stop calling the country a "Jewish State". You can't have it both ways. I wouldn't care if the State stopped calling itself "Jewish" as long as there was freedom of religion for those who want to be frum. But same-sex marriage is too far. It is not only Haredim who are offended by that, but all religious people. Eretz Yisrael is the Holy Land to three major religions, and all of those religions should be honored.

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 May 16, 2012 at 12:05 PM Secular Says:

Pintele' yid

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 May 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM R Says:

Hope the chareidims badgers are quiet here. Gay marriage is banned by the Torah, and no, it's not a chareidi chumra!

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 May 16, 2012 at 01:57 PM invstm1000 Says:

Why in the world if a MK votes against the bill he calls it "pandering" to chareidim but if a MK votes for the bill he doesn't call it pandering to the schmutz people?
Voting against the bill is a act of morality and basic decency I'm just disappointed that we did not get 120 votes against.

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 May 16, 2012 at 02:00 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #5  
R Says:

Hope the chareidims badgers are quiet here. Gay marriage is banned by the Torah, and no, it's not a chareidi chumra!

I am so glad that you found something that is not a chumra. Now if only we could stop with chumra and follow the Torah, which you seem to back

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 May 16, 2012 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

While most agree that same sex marriage is contrary to halacha and jewish tradition, the Knesset should enact some common sense civil laws assuring certain rights for same sex couples such as hospital visitation and access to certain insurance and legal protections for commonly owned property

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 May 16, 2012 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
invstm1000 Says:

Why in the world if a MK votes against the bill he calls it "pandering" to chareidim but if a MK votes for the bill he doesn't call it pandering to the schmutz people?
Voting against the bill is a act of morality and basic decency I'm just disappointed that we did not get 120 votes against.

I wouldn't refer to Chareidim as schmutz people even if you disagree with their positions, any more than I would use such demeaning language against the progressive MKs who view such laws as a "civil rights" issue.

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 May 16, 2012 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:

And you wonder why G-d sets Irans nuclear scope onTel aviv. Keep spitting on the Torah and you will be spit out of Eretz yisroel.

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 May 16, 2012 at 03:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
PMOinFL Says:

Marriage was defined for us by H". That's all I need. Changing that is like saying we are now going to change Pesach to celebrate the cultural significance of soccer.

If you want to create some kind of legal "enjoining" agreement in which people can "enjoin" their lives for purposes of legal issues like inheritance, medical decisions, etc., that should be OK. But that should be open to ANY two adults. Two sisters who are widows may choose to enter into such an agreement to be responsible for each other under the eyes of the civil legal authorities. All of the typical protections afforded to married couples could be accepted by the parties involved. That would be OK.

The reality at the end of the day is that these couples are not looking for anyone to legitimize their sexual activity or enter into any kind of Torah marriage. They want the rights and protections afforded to themselves and the person they love and want to spend their life with. Without judging, the only way to do that is to create a a legal "enjoinment" that could apply to ANY two people and thus confer the rights without recognizing or tacitly approving the relationship.

the only thing these RISHAIEM are looking for is for us to legitimize this RISHUS.

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 May 16, 2012 at 04:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

And you wonder why G-d sets Irans nuclear scope onTel aviv. Keep spitting on the Torah and you will be spit out of Eretz yisroel.

Why do you believe that hashem supports what Iran is doing? They are the modern Amalek and have no divine endorsement under any interpretation of whats happening today in Israel.

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 May 16, 2012 at 04:53 PM The_Beadle Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

meretz, go ahead, do what you want, but please stop calling your country "Israel", please stop speaking "Hebrew", and please stop calling the country a "Jewish State". You can't have it both ways. I wouldn't care if the State stopped calling itself "Jewish" as long as there was freedom of religion for those who want to be frum. But same-sex marriage is too far. It is not only Haredim who are offended by that, but all religious people. Eretz Yisrael is the Holy Land to three major religions, and all of those religions should be honored.

Why would this stop anyone being frum who wants to be?

No one would force anyone to marry someone they don't want to?

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 May 16, 2012 at 05:06 PM ShmuelG Says:

"The legislation ... was rejected, with 39 MKs opposed and 11 in favor."

So what about the other 70 MKs? They just punted?

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 May 16, 2012 at 08:16 PM LESkid Says:

The only place you can get married in Israel is via religious instituitions. If two non-Jews want to marry and they are different religions why should the Israeli government give them a problem? If a Russian Olah who is not halachically Jewish wants to marry another Russian who is also not a kosher Yid why give them a problem?

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 May 16, 2012 at 08:32 PM qazxc Says:

Look at the bright side Meretz MK Zahava Gal On stated publicly that the Torah is thousands of years old.

Now we're getting somewhere!

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 May 16, 2012 at 10:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
The_Beadle Says:

Why would this stop anyone being frum who wants to be?

No one would force anyone to marry someone they don't want to?

First of all, I was not talking about "gay" "marriage" - I was talkinf about the entire Meretz platform. I dont care if they get religion out of israeli politics, I dont think it belongs there. But please dont call the state "israel" or "jewish". Just make it a state like the US with freedom of religion. I dont believe we should have a "jewish" state anyway. But, so-called "gay rights" does affect us because some laws force education on these matters to small children, and teaching Torah or halachos could be branded as "hate speech". Even now you tube has banned some of Rabbi Levin's videos as "hate speech" when all he is saying is his religious view. Anyway, there is no such thing as a "gay person" according to Torah. In Torah, homosexuality is only an action, not an identity. There is no recognition of any "sexual orientation", neither "gay" nor "straight" in Torah, so it is not an "equal rights" issue at all.

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 May 16, 2012 at 10:45 PM esther Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

While most agree that same sex marriage is contrary to halacha and jewish tradition, the Knesset should enact some common sense civil laws assuring certain rights for same sex couples such as hospital visitation and access to certain insurance and legal protections for commonly owned property

most would agree?

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 May 16, 2012 at 10:47 PM esther Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

And you wonder why G-d sets Irans nuclear scope onTel aviv. Keep spitting on the Torah and you will be spit out of Eretz yisroel.

that's dispicable! stop trying to set your self up like some little novi.

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 May 17, 2012 at 02:16 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

the only thing these RISHAIEM are looking for is for us to legitimize this RISHUS.

Yes, there are radicals on the left who want to force everyone to accept "marriage", but the overwhelming majority of these people couldn't care less what you think and aren't looking for your approval.

At my company I was asked to be part of a diversity forum where this came up. I was surprised to hear that the 4 gay employees in the room were only looking for some legally protected status, not marriage.

They want rights of survivorship.
They want rights of inheritance.
They want rights to make medical decisions.

That can be done without ever legitimizing anything about the relationship itself. The problem is that nobody is interested in finding a solution to a very REAL issue. The crazy left wants all or nothing and the crazy right wants to chase them all into the grave with pitchforks and torches.

Allow any two consenting adults to form an enjoinment of their lives which affords all of those basic rights to their partner. I don't care if it is two widowed sisters who want to be responsible for each other, maybe two old friends who have outlived their families, or anyone else. It's the same thing we should be doing here in the US.

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 May 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM NoMan Says:

Reply to #5  
R Says:

Hope the chareidims badgers are quiet here. Gay marriage is banned by the Torah, and no, it's not a chareidi chumra!

True, opposition to "gay marriage" is not a charedi chumra, but perhaps if the Rabbanut had not started to enforce other charedi chumros on people who are not even shomrei mitzvos, let alone charedi, the chilonim would not have found fertile ground to sow their bitter seeds.

By the way, "gay nmarriage" is not banned by the Torah; homosexual activity is. The Torah does not raise the issue of such marriages, although there are medrashei aggadah of Chaza"l that discuss societies that recognized such unions.

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