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New York - On Sunday tens of thousands of Jews filled Citi Field in Queens and heard from Haredi leaders that the Internet should be avoided in the home at all costs and used sparingly at work, and then only with a filter blocking out content that could be damaging spiritually.

Debate as you will what some may see as draconian edicts to protect the Jewish community from moral corruption. But at the heart of the matter is a question that should concern us all: How do we keep our children safe on the Internet?

We know that we cannot work around the Internet. Research from the Pew Foundation indicates that 54 percent of children say that they go to Google first when they have a question, as opposed to only 26 percent who say they go to a parent and three percent who say they go to a teacher. Rather, we must figure out how parents and teachers can make this important tool work safely and effectively for our kids.

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The difficulty is that even the simple solutions are incredibly complicated.

Powerful filters can block illicit images and material but those filters often block out the good with the bad and limit far too much useful information. This solution has been discussed and debated on our own campus concerning Internet access in dormitories.

Some yeshivot have considered avoiding technology altogether and sticking with books and blackboards. But that would leave students without the digital competence required to succeed academically in college and beyond, not to mention that it would rob teachers of increasingly exciting and effective educational tools.

Continue reading full editorial: YU Blogs 


Dr. Eliezer Jones is the educational technology specialist at Yeshiva University’s Institute for University-School Partnership. Dr. David Pelcovitz is the Gwendolyn and Joseph Straus Chair in Psychology and Jewish Education at YU’s Azrieli Graduate School of Jewish Education and Administration. The opinions expressed above are solely those of the authors and should not be attributed to Yeshiva University.

For more information about safe Internet rules and guidelines, visit: www.yuschoolpartnership.org/parentguidedigitalage .


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 May 21, 2012 at 04:33 PM mewhoze Says:

what a brilliant idea

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:37 PM Shalom Says:

Great! Well said! I've been arguing a lot with people since this whole asifa hype came along. I'm glad to see that there are some thinking people out there.
Without a good education about jewish values and basic human values, you can have 10 filters and your kids will find away around it.
The times of keeping kids locked up and know nothing about the outside world is kinda over. Live with it! The one thing a person can do now to keep their kids safe from outside influence is simple education.
Make him love who he is and what he represents.

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:37 PM ayoldguy1 Says:

Thank you. I didn't need frenzied hyperbole nor spend well over $1.5m to hear this.

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:38 PM sndinc Says:

a misguided waste of time when there r so many bigger issues to address . just another example of lack of leadership!

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:42 PM Facts1 Says:

Really works, check the statistics (Sarcasm).

חז"ל tell us "there is no guardian against adulterous inclinations".

The YU, should consider their slogan as "do just opposite of what the Chreidim suggest.

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:53 PM SliverBullet Says:

It seem those attending the asifa are looking for a silver bullet that can solve the internet problem. What Dr Jones and Dr Pelcovitz are suggesting requires works. Unfortunately, the Rabbi's (even without internet) have gotten the "instant coffee" syndrome. Hence, they will shy away from properly educating the young and rather just ban the internet. Sad..sad.

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:54 PM Jothar Says:

What a great idea! My teenager has a desire to look at shmutz, but all I have to do is instill him with Jewish values and the urge goes away. I'll put bags of marijuana on the living room table every day, and if I instill him with Jewish values he'll never want it. And don't bother locking your doors. Just instill your neighbors with Jewish values and you'll never get robbed.

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:55 PM badboy Says:

This is the exact point they were stressing yesterday, it its not haredi rabbis, it is the gedolim crying out that if we continue like in other circles in klal yisroel, by doing absolutely nothing to stop yidden from falling, we will lose all our pure neshomois, the sensitivity we were raised with, and the respect for the Torah and its leaders passed down from generation to generation. It can clearly be seen from this article and from many that write onto this blog that it is to late for them, but at least they can save it for their kids and students. Please pass the gedoilims message onto all of klal Yisroel, don't lose another generation by making a joke out of the whole thing. Korach was also serious, he took serious things and made them look cheap in the eyes of the masses, don't make the same mistake. Laitz echod docheh maioh toichochois.

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 May 21, 2012 at 04:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Assuring the internet is part of a broader strategy by a large segment of the Chareidi leadership to keep their followers in the dark, ensure they are unable to function in what is quickly becoming an almost totally electronic platform for commerce and information sharing. At at time when the most basic life functions have migrated to the internet and when you actually have to pay a penalty to transact in the old style of "bricks and mortar" establishments, assuring the internet means they will not have the skills to get a job and will pay more for their basic needs. Last night clearly showed that there is large segment of rabbonim who yearn for the lifestyle yidden had 100 years ago in the alte heim. Fortunately, there are a growing number of rabbonim waiting in the wings for them to move on who will assume the mantle of leadership of the klals with more progressive ideas that balance dass torah with the needs and norms of modern society.

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:01 PM Anonymous Says:

There are children who will listen, and there are difficult children who no matter what you try will not listen.

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:02 PM r Says:

This is ridiculous typical YU talk. We all know it is not that simple. When klal yisrael was being nichshal in avoda zara chazal davened that hashem take away the yetzer hara for that. Teaching morals wasn't said there and should't be said here. Its oversimplifying and impossible to do.

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Bring hashem into your childrens and ur lives be close to hashem make him a part of ur life and then filters will work. If you will have hashem next to u and feel close to him you won't want to beat around the filter

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:09 PM Yossi Says:

We need more teaching in Choyves Halvuvois,Meseles yeshurim,Reishis Chochme,and read every morning Ageres Huramban...If the mechanchim and Roshei yeshivoth should put in more effort in misser sefurim they would see much much better results....We do not have the big rebbes who inspired in us kedishe and tehara with their shalesh sides torahs,shabbos tshuveh ...The generation is orphaned from those major Gedoyle Hador and we all looking up to Shemyim for more syate shemyeh....

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:15 PM Aryeh Says:

I think that the problem is that we are dealing with two very different worlds: One in which children are exposed to external influences freely, and one in which people go to great lengths to insulate their families.

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:21 PM Rachel W. Says:

So what else is new? The fact is that there will always be kids who are more vulnerable (adults as well), due to many factors. Just as great parents can sometimes fail with one of their children, there will inevitably be those who will be detrimentally affected by exposure to the internet. Realistically, however, kids who are easily led astray managed to get into trouble way before the age of the internet. There were plenty of other ways........

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
SliverBullet Says:

It seem those attending the asifa are looking for a silver bullet that can solve the internet problem. What Dr Jones and Dr Pelcovitz are suggesting requires works. Unfortunately, the Rabbi's (even without internet) have gotten the "instant coffee" syndrome. Hence, they will shy away from properly educating the young and rather just ban the internet. Sad..sad.

"Unfortunately, the Rabbi's (even without internet) have gotten the "instant coffee" syndrome"

^that is one of the most untrue comments I've ever read in any blog.

Do you have any idea how much time some of these R'H"Y's spent to get where they are? Do you know how much of their life they've dedicated to H'KB"H? Do you think they got where they are based on your "instant coffee" syndrome?

I wish I had their dedication, will power, and hard work.

I'm embarrassed by your statement

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:23 PM dov Says:

Reply to #1  
mewhoze Says:

what a brilliant idea

brilliant idea for dr rabbiners university students not for g-d feraring yidden who still have levush and tzurah of generations....

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:31 PM from but normal Says:

very well said,but the problem is that 95% of frum parents and even the MECHANCHIM and ROSHEY HAYESHIVA'S and the REBBES cannot articulate and explain,what judaism is all about,and why we be frum,and why our religion is the only true one,and the reason they cannot explain it is a simple one,they themselves don't have a clue.
And that was the reason,that our leaders and Rabonim felt that the only way they can protect judaism and prevent the sheep from leaving the fold,is by building a tight ghetto around us,no education no radio no television,as little contact with outside world as possible,just like in the old Soviet Union or North Korea,
Well it aint gonna work no more,because every kid has now the whole world,and all the information he wants one mouse click away,
it will be up to the 5% of the jews ( like AISH HATORAH,OHR SOMEACH and similar organizations) to save what's left of judaism

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:33 PM zev Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Assuring the internet is part of a broader strategy by a large segment of the Chareidi leadership to keep their followers in the dark, ensure they are unable to function in what is quickly becoming an almost totally electronic platform for commerce and information sharing. At at time when the most basic life functions have migrated to the internet and when you actually have to pay a penalty to transact in the old style of "bricks and mortar" establishments, assuring the internet means they will not have the skills to get a job and will pay more for their basic needs. Last night clearly showed that there is large segment of rabbonim who yearn for the lifestyle yidden had 100 years ago in the alte heim. Fortunately, there are a growing number of rabbonim waiting in the wings for them to move on who will assume the mantle of leadership of the klals with more progressive ideas that balance dass torah with the needs and norms of modern society.

yes yes those rabbinim whos haskafos are more and more in sync with MO,consevative, reform christian clergy.your kind has been trying to move the derech over for thousands of years and its still around but you generatios will be lost to assim eventually

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:37 PM The_Truth Says:

Wasnt there a similar editorial posted here a few weeks back when the Asifa was beginning to make headlines - article basically said the same thing - instill values and education into people rather than trying to filter out information.

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 May 21, 2012 at 05:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Yossi Says:

We need more teaching in Choyves Halvuvois,Meseles yeshurim,Reishis Chochme,and read every morning Ageres Huramban...If the mechanchim and Roshei yeshivoth should put in more effort in misser sefurim they would see much much better results....We do not have the big rebbes who inspired in us kedishe and tehara with their shalesh sides torahs,shabbos tshuveh ...The generation is orphaned from those major Gedoyle Hador and we all looking up to Shemyim for more syate shemyeh....

Actually, the tzibur is looking more to shemayim for leaders who will take the time to understand the world as it is and assist his yidden in living a fulfilling life under daas torah. We don't need more "big rebbes" as you call them, like the lineup at last night's asifah who contributed zero to the resolving the issues most attendees hope to come away with some useful ideas.

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 May 21, 2012 at 06:06 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Actually, the tzibur is looking more to shemayim for leaders who will take the time to understand the world as it is and assist his yidden in living a fulfilling life under daas torah. We don't need more "big rebbes" as you call them, like the lineup at last night's asifah who contributed zero to the resolving the issues most attendees hope to come away with some useful ideas.

You are right,,,,we dont need more rebbes...we need more teaching....learn half an hour less gemure and teach Misser sefurim...A parent and a mechanech are suppose to be role models to their students...Educate and teach your children by behaving the way you want them to behave....

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 May 21, 2012 at 06:13 PM Chaim Says:

The Drs. are correct. This way you always have your filter with you.

24

 May 21, 2012 at 06:15 PM A Says:

Reply to #7  
Jothar Says:

What a great idea! My teenager has a desire to look at shmutz, but all I have to do is instill him with Jewish values and the urge goes away. I'll put bags of marijuana on the living room table every day, and if I instill him with Jewish values he'll never want it. And don't bother locking your doors. Just instill your neighbors with Jewish values and you'll never get robbed.

You can't protect your child from everything harmful no matter how hard you try. The best you can do is teach him right from wrong, good from harm and BE THERE when he has questions and needs help. Thus has it been since the world began. If you install the proper values in your child he may still fall every so often. The difference is that he will know he's done wrong and he will more often than not learn from his mistake and try to do better in the future. We are all human, we cannot reach perfection, don't consider every stumble as a failure.
You will not take your teenager's desire to view shmutz away but you can teach him how to handle such urges properly so he does not succumb to them. If he does not learn to control himself how will he be able to control himself when he is an adult and doesn't have you around anymore to show him the right path?

25

 May 21, 2012 at 06:18 PM favish Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Actually, the tzibur is looking more to shemayim for leaders who will take the time to understand the world as it is and assist his yidden in living a fulfilling life under daas torah. We don't need more "big rebbes" as you call them, like the lineup at last night's asifah who contributed zero to the resolving the issues most attendees hope to come away with some useful ideas.

maybe you offer your leadership with this YU graduate oiberchachum?

26

 May 21, 2012 at 06:23 PM Anonymous Says:

It would help if the first line of their article did not completel;y misquote what was said at the asifa.

Apparently this was written before the asifa.

In other news, YU posted noyices of its promotion of gays on its internet site.

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 May 21, 2012 at 06:26 PM Heshy Friedman Says:

Solutions so far were no computer in the house if not needed for work. A computer for work should be filtered amd locked away just as parents do to their legal firearms. If you use compiters some times than parents can go to a kosher computer center and do their work there. But now I'm going to tell you a solution no one talked about. Register every frum yid and vote out any liberal democrat who refuses to support a bill that will make it illegal to send illicit pictures on the internet. Just as television can't just show anything they want why can't the internet have the same government rules. We can get other communities worldwide involved. The politicians will listen.

28

 May 21, 2012 at 06:33 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

"Unfortunately, the Rabbi's (even without internet) have gotten the "instant coffee" syndrome"

^that is one of the most untrue comments I've ever read in any blog.

Do you have any idea how much time some of these R'H"Y's spent to get where they are? Do you know how much of their life they've dedicated to H'KB"H? Do you think they got where they are based on your "instant coffee" syndrome?

I wish I had their dedication, will power, and hard work.

I'm embarrassed by your statement

Looked to me that the person who wrote about the instant coffee syndrome was referring to an approach to addressing issues in our kehilos and was not referring to an approach to learning.

On the topic though, I heard that R' Shimon Shkopp would say that the problem in his dor is that people want not only want to become talmidai chachomim over night but they want to get a good night's sleep that night too!

29

 May 21, 2012 at 06:47 PM qazxc Says:

Anyone knocking YU ever been inside the YU bais medresh or ever speak in learning with the the YU roshai yeshiva?

30

 May 21, 2012 at 06:51 PM rationalsavta Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Actually, the tzibur is looking more to shemayim for leaders who will take the time to understand the world as it is and assist his yidden in living a fulfilling life under daas torah. We don't need more "big rebbes" as you call them, like the lineup at last night's asifah who contributed zero to the resolving the issues most attendees hope to come away with some useful ideas.

#21, U R so right!!! Unfortunately, we are all afraid to voice our real thoughts.The closest we get to the truth, is by commenting on wonderful sites such as Vos Iz Neias.
The only reason I can write this is that I didn't have to sign my real name.
Thanks, VIN, for letting me vent my feelings.

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 May 21, 2012 at 06:54 PM Tardis Says:

I'm surprised that the asifa organizers didn't make sure to have one great Mechanech to speak about the modifications of our Chinuch system so necessary to keep children away from the net. For example, most chasidishe kids are so exited by the internet due to the lack of any other venue for recreation. Allowing them some sports would be a good place to start.

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 May 21, 2012 at 06:58 PM Anonymous Says:

If you want to be successful as a jew, you need the internet. Just for charity alone, there is no way you could donate as much as you can if you have an internet connection. Think about this when you arrange your repentance and your future.

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 May 21, 2012 at 07:21 PM Shlomo Says:

Wow!
This issue is bigger then Chareidim vs YU.
I don't think the article is suggesting that there not be filters.
I hope that those who participated in the Asifa didn't get the message that the answer is simply filters.
Complex problems sometimes require complex answers. We need to have parents involved in raising kids: being a parent is more than packing the kids off to school.
Our schools (from pre-k and on) need to be more than factories that turn-out machines that memorize and spit out answers or can learn a blot gemarah without learning how to be a mentsh.
Yes, we need to have values. We also need to have protections. Who is immune to the yetzer hara? Yes, parents need to be involved (and monitor) and yeshivot need to teach (but also need to instill musar and derech eretz).

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 May 21, 2012 at 07:38 PM common-sense Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

It would help if the first line of their article did not completel;y misquote what was said at the asifa.

Apparently this was written before the asifa.

In other news, YU posted noyices of its promotion of gays on its internet site.

This a lie. YU has been fighitng gays and other pritzus. They even outlawed a newspaper which had an article by a woman writing about her experience (vehamayvin yoven). People who bash YU, as with people who bash other groups, do not know what they are talking about or repeat unfounded rumors.

35

 May 21, 2012 at 07:58 PM SliverBullet Says:

Reply to #28  
qazxc Says:

Looked to me that the person who wrote about the instant coffee syndrome was referring to an approach to addressing issues in our kehilos and was not referring to an approach to learning.

On the topic though, I heard that R' Shimon Shkopp would say that the problem in his dor is that people want not only want to become talmidai chachomim over night but they want to get a good night's sleep that night too!

#28, at first qazxc is on target. Just to let you know, a prominent Rav in Bklyn (a popular Rav & part of Bies Din) who was addressing the challenges of the internet with his congregants told me (after his speech I approached him) that inculcating a value system will take too long. Banning is immediate. The Rabbi did not seem to be embarrassed by his approach and neither should you. For me, hearing the banning approach was a sackcloth and ashes moment since we do know what is required to do but we are choosing the "instant coffee" approach which will only result in eroding more of our Jewish values.

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 May 21, 2012 at 08:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
qazxc Says:

Anyone knocking YU ever been inside the YU bais medresh or ever speak in learning with the the YU roshai yeshiva?

I have been and I was blown away. I stopped in after 11PM and I saw hundreds of boys of all stripes learning - what an amazing Kol Torah. The Ultra (which I am) are afraid to stop by, fearing they'll see what I did. I have to admit that it was a confusing moment. How is it possible? At YU? I got over it and I thank G-d every moment that I visited the bais medresh. It has since enriched my life.

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 May 21, 2012 at 08:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Heshy Friedman Says:

Solutions so far were no computer in the house if not needed for work. A computer for work should be filtered amd locked away just as parents do to their legal firearms. If you use compiters some times than parents can go to a kosher computer center and do their work there. But now I'm going to tell you a solution no one talked about. Register every frum yid and vote out any liberal democrat who refuses to support a bill that will make it illegal to send illicit pictures on the internet. Just as television can't just show anything they want why can't the internet have the same government rules. We can get other communities worldwide involved. The politicians will listen.

"Register every frum yid and vote out any liberal democrat who refuses to support a bill that will make it illegal to send illicit pictures on the internet. Just as television can't just show anything they want why can't the internet have the same government rules."

Do you live in the same dark cave as most of the speakers at last night's asifa? Television CAN (and does) show just about anything it wants, espeically on cable but even more so on public airwave channels. The interent is global; thats whey even the Chinese government cannot keep their people in the dark. Perhaps get help with whatever addictions and perversions you suffer from but don't project you dysfunctions on the rest of the tzibur.

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 May 21, 2012 at 08:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
qazxc Says:

Anyone knocking YU ever been inside the YU bais medresh or ever speak in learning with the the YU roshai yeshiva?

The Roshei Yeshiva in REITS have called asifos in their own Beis Medrash when the YU people make statements that are keneged Halacha. We all remember when R Twersky spoke against the pro homosexual lifestyle gathering that was held there. I believe it was moderated by someone Blau.

The point is that the philosophy in YU is often in direct opposition to the hashkafos of the Roshei yeshiva of REITS. So don't go schlepping them into the messes of YU.

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 May 21, 2012 at 09:02 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

I have been and I was blown away. I stopped in after 11PM and I saw hundreds of boys of all stripes learning - what an amazing Kol Torah. The Ultra (which I am) are afraid to stop by, fearing they'll see what I did. I have to admit that it was a confusing moment. How is it possible? At YU? I got over it and I thank G-d every moment that I visited the bais medresh. It has since enriched my life.

Beautiful sight, isn't it?

What I really find amazing is that logic would suggest that YU talmidim would have as much disdain for 'black hat' yeshivos as the black hatters have for YU but I don't remember ever hearing a YU talmid 'shtoch' Lakewood, Mir, Brisk, etc.

BTW, for those of you who haven't yet checked out the YU bais medresh for yourselves, please don't faint when you see how many of the YU talmidim wear BLACK HATS.

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 May 21, 2012 at 09:18 PM Canadian Says:

Reply to #5  
Facts1 Says:

Really works, check the statistics (Sarcasm).

חז"ל tell us "there is no guardian against adulterous inclinations".

The YU, should consider their slogan as "do just opposite of what the Chreidim suggest.

I agree. Of course it begins with the proper Chinuch, no question, but in all honesty this is something the best of children can R"L fall into (many times innocently) which is where filters are essential.

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 May 21, 2012 at 09:37 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

The Roshei Yeshiva in REITS have called asifos in their own Beis Medrash when the YU people make statements that are keneged Halacha. We all remember when R Twersky spoke against the pro homosexual lifestyle gathering that was held there. I believe it was moderated by someone Blau.

The point is that the philosophy in YU is often in direct opposition to the hashkafos of the Roshei yeshiva of REITS. So don't go schlepping them into the messes of YU.

Rav Blau shlit"a is a huge talmid chachom and one of the greatest ohavai yisroel, for every Jew, I have ever met.

The meeting to help people who want to keep torah but are faced with a huge nisayon was the target of a mean spirited hatchet job by tzaddikim with their own agendas.

One is free to reach a different conclusion as to how to deal with the problem of homosexual tendencies but please don't denigrate such a yid. There are so few like him.

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 May 21, 2012 at 10:18 PM Jothar Says:

So according to these 2 gentlemen, all we need to do is "educate" and the desires of the flesh go away. So according to this premise, the warnings on packs of cigarettes should have completely eradicated the scourge of smoking. Someone please tell me how well that worked out.
Furthermore, Dr. Pelcowitz was one of the speakers at YU's infamous conference on homosexuality. He said that you can't judge feelings, and it's not a choice. Does he now approve of "educating" gays to make them straight, or does he still believe that, when it comes to homosexuality, that you can't "educate" away a desire, but somehow approves of it to do away with filters?

Finally, according to the writers of this article, if we would take an "educated" Jewish teen, put a stack of pornography magazines in his room, and surreptitiously film the results, that our educated teen will NOT have a desire for it because his education precludes desires of the flesh. I'll take that bet.

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 May 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM curious Says:

Not putting basic filters on will insure that your kids will have taiva thrown in their face. No teenager can resist that. Get real. The sad fact is that most MOs don't even consider shmiras einayim an ideal. I know this from countless examples.

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 May 21, 2012 at 10:44 PM Joe Says:

Ask a kid today why they are jewish and 99 percent of them won't even have the correct answer. A study was done a few years ago in over 250 yeshivos and bais yakovs with one simple question and 99 percent got the wrong answer. Sorry to inform all of you but the problem is education education education and then more education and alot of davening to the ribono shel oilem.

I know people who do not have the internet but went off the derech. i guess they went off the derech because their freinds must have had the internet.

Lets pray for moshiach.

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 May 21, 2012 at 11:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Jothar Says:

What a great idea! My teenager has a desire to look at shmutz, but all I have to do is instill him with Jewish values and the urge goes away. I'll put bags of marijuana on the living room table every day, and if I instill him with Jewish values he'll never want it. And don't bother locking your doors. Just instill your neighbors with Jewish values and you'll never get robbed.

if your teenager desires the shmutz he'll get to it whether or not u have filters

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 May 21, 2012 at 11:36 PM Heshy Friedman Says:

Reply to 37. Yes we can outlaw illicit pictures sent on the internet if we frum yidden allihned ourselves with the christian and moslems here in America. We can carry this ca$paighn worldwide. Get the religious arabs involved as well as the vatican. Our gadolei ra bbonmim should spearhead this campaighn. It would show the world real jews are H agents. We would be respected even by our enemies. Let's call dov hikind and greenfeld and let them organize a bill to ban shmutz to at least kids under 18 on the internet. It should become a federal crime. We can do it and the world will join our holy battle.

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 May 22, 2012 at 12:42 AM sechelyoshor Says:

Reply to #24  
A Says:

You can't protect your child from everything harmful no matter how hard you try. The best you can do is teach him right from wrong, good from harm and BE THERE when he has questions and needs help. Thus has it been since the world began. If you install the proper values in your child he may still fall every so often. The difference is that he will know he's done wrong and he will more often than not learn from his mistake and try to do better in the future. We are all human, we cannot reach perfection, don't consider every stumble as a failure.
You will not take your teenager's desire to view shmutz away but you can teach him how to handle such urges properly so he does not succumb to them. If he does not learn to control himself how will he be able to control himself when he is an adult and doesn't have you around anymore to show him the right path?

Easy! We'll tell him he'll lose hi portion in the world to come if he doesn't comply!

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 May 22, 2012 at 01:33 AM The_Beadle Says:

Reply to #11  
r Says:

This is ridiculous typical YU talk. We all know it is not that simple. When klal yisrael was being nichshal in avoda zara chazal davened that hashem take away the yetzer hara for that. Teaching morals wasn't said there and should't be said here. Its oversimplifying and impossible to do.

So your answer is that we should daven that Hashem should take away the Yetzer Hara?

I think better education is more likely to prove succesful.

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 May 22, 2012 at 01:35 AM The Beadle Says:

Reply to #17  
dov Says:

brilliant idea for dr rabbiners university students not for g-d feraring yidden who still have levush and tzurah of generations....

So, even if what you're saying doesn't help a single person, that's ok, just a long as you dress the right way

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 May 22, 2012 at 09:28 AM Jothar Says:

I do agree that we MUST educate our children and give them hashkafos of why to be Jewish. but NO such education will stop the basic carnal desires, unless you become a complete baal mussar. Avoiding taavah is wisdom too.

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 May 22, 2012 at 08:51 AM DB_from_LI Says:

Reply to #5  
Facts1 Says:

Really works, check the statistics (Sarcasm).

חז"ל tell us "there is no guardian against adulterous inclinations".

The YU, should consider their slogan as "do just opposite of what the Chreidim suggest.

My my oh my do you have a chip on your shoulder. Just so you know internet does not equal adulterous inclinations. While for some that might be a catalyst the pitfalls mentioned are vast and pertain not just to an adults personal choice to "click on a link". By me allowing my children to understand the reactions their actions have, their mentchlechkeit has grown greatly. Our previously tumultuous house has transformed into a semi chaotic home.

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 May 22, 2012 at 09:11 AM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #27  
Heshy Friedman Says:

Solutions so far were no computer in the house if not needed for work. A computer for work should be filtered amd locked away just as parents do to their legal firearms. If you use compiters some times than parents can go to a kosher computer center and do their work there. But now I'm going to tell you a solution no one talked about. Register every frum yid and vote out any liberal democrat who refuses to support a bill that will make it illegal to send illicit pictures on the internet. Just as television can't just show anything they want why can't the internet have the same government rules. We can get other communities worldwide involved. The politicians will listen.

"Register every frum yid and vote out any liberal" Vote out all the liberals who invented Section 8, food stamps, welfare, Health Insurance for children and close all Kollelim in Lakewood,Bp. etc What a Great Plan.

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 May 22, 2012 at 09:16 AM ayinglefinadorf Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

"Register every frum yid and vote out any liberal democrat who refuses to support a bill that will make it illegal to send illicit pictures on the internet. Just as television can't just show anything they want why can't the internet have the same government rules."

Do you live in the same dark cave as most of the speakers at last night's asifa? Television CAN (and does) show just about anything it wants, espeically on cable but even more so on public airwave channels. The interent is global; thats whey even the Chinese government cannot keep their people in the dark. Perhaps get help with whatever addictions and perversions you suffer from but don't project you dysfunctions on the rest of the tzibur.

"Do you live in the same dark cave as most speakers at last night asifa"Why are you against the Asifa. 50.000 yidden spent sunday afternoon in the ballpark together. Remember they have no other form of entertainment,noTV,movies, no ballplaying etc. They said Thilem berabim, Davened, got free water, Pretzels some chulent etc. free transportation most got free tickets. Whats wrong with it. Mi Koamcho Yisroel.

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 May 22, 2012 at 09:31 AM Trolly_McTrollerston Says:

with all the ahavas yisroel that was supposedly instilled at the asifa, its comforting to see that we were able to nevertheless still retain some extra special sinas chinam for YU.

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 May 22, 2012 at 10:43 AM a-simple-jew Says:

Stupid idea. Our Gedolei HaTorah know better than all your researchers and professors.

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 May 22, 2012 at 11:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
curious Says:

Not putting basic filters on will insure that your kids will have taiva thrown in their face. No teenager can resist that. Get real. The sad fact is that most MOs don't even consider shmiras einayim an ideal. I know this from countless examples.

So you need to spend travel time and 5 hours in speeches to hear it from someone else? You seem like a smart cookie who already figured that out! Problem is, the Rabbonim think we are all dumb and will follow blindly. Not the way to turn people onto doing good.

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 May 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
Trolly_McTrollerston Says:

with all the ahavas yisroel that was supposedly instilled at the asifa, its comforting to see that we were able to nevertheless still retain some extra special sinas chinam for YU.

So does threatening letters from your kids schools demanding you go to the Asifa a good way to promote Ahavas Yisroel? It's like certain Bais Yaakov's whose principals embarrass girls by pulling them out of class and using a tapemeasure (yes, that's correct!) to see how many inches above or below the knee the skirt falls. You can be sure these girls have no taste for Yiddishkeit any longer and they will be the ones on Facebook to find solace in others who are in the same boat.
And since you hate YU anyway, your Ahavas Yisroel is oozing, you have so much of it.

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 May 22, 2012 at 12:02 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #54  
Trolly_McTrollerston Says:

with all the ahavas yisroel that was supposedly instilled at the asifa, its comforting to see that we were able to nevertheless still retain some extra special sinas chinam for YU.

"With all the ahavas yisroel that was supposedly instilled at the asifa" Which asifa are you talkin about? In the stadium where Lubawitch,Sfardim,Modern Orthodox,Plaine Yidden were not welcomed?

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 May 22, 2012 at 12:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
The_Beadle Says:

So your answer is that we should daven that Hashem should take away the Yetzer Hara?

I think better education is more likely to prove succesful.

Actually, there were concrete items mentioned to protect. Filters. You are not going to teach away yetzer horah, you have to set gedarim. Its nt a new idea, the whole idea of muktzah and shvus is based on that. You may feel that old fashioned, but that your problem.

We see what happens with just education, you get pornographic stories written in school related magazines, you have tefillin dates, you have gatherings supporting homesexual lifestyles.

And that assumes that any education is even provided, instead of just sitting a child or teenager in fromnt of an internet connection and telling them to be modern like alll blue blooded Americans.

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 May 22, 2012 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Heshy Friedman Says:

Reply to 37. Yes we can outlaw illicit pictures sent on the internet if we frum yidden allihned ourselves with the christian and moslems here in America. We can carry this ca$paighn worldwide. Get the religious arabs involved as well as the vatican. Our gadolei ra bbonmim should spearhead this campaighn. It would show the world real jews are H agents. We would be respected even by our enemies. Let's call dov hikind and greenfeld and let them organize a bill to ban shmutz to at least kids under 18 on the internet. It should become a federal crime. We can do it and the world will join our holy battle.

Better yet, we can get the crazy al-Quaidaniks to chop off anyone's head who won't comply!! Idiot.

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 May 22, 2012 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't know what filter's Dr. Jones tested, but I have "FIlternet" and set it to the minimum which just blocks out site with porngraphic contents, that's it, I work on Interent all day and hardly did I have a regular site blocked, I don't even notice i'm using a filter! & if once in a trillion clicks I have a regular site blocked (happened once in the three years I'm using filter!) I just need to call them or chat with them directly fro the blocked page and they'll unblock it in seconds!! my friends have the same service for free from K9webprotection.com for free! fact is polls show the majority of society watch indecent things and ANYBODY kidding themselves they they can trust their children with the net and rely on their inner filters is borderline dumb...just checkout facebook pages of today's goyish teens and you'll see what's going on...

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 May 22, 2012 at 08:02 PM curious Says:

Reply to #56  
Anonymous Says:

So you need to spend travel time and 5 hours in speeches to hear it from someone else? You seem like a smart cookie who already figured that out! Problem is, the Rabbonim think we are all dumb and will follow blindly. Not the way to turn people onto doing good.

Unfortunately, the message of the night went much further than that.

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 May 22, 2012 at 08:54 PM favish Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

"Register every frum yid and vote out any liberal democrat who refuses to support a bill that will make it illegal to send illicit pictures on the internet. Just as television can't just show anything they want why can't the internet have the same government rules."

Do you live in the same dark cave as most of the speakers at last night's asifa? Television CAN (and does) show just about anything it wants, espeically on cable but even more so on public airwave channels. The interent is global; thats whey even the Chinese government cannot keep their people in the dark. Perhaps get help with whatever addictions and perversions you suffer from but don't project you dysfunctions on the rest of the tzibur.

you mechitzef, watch how you speak about the venerated hador, rav solomon, skulenner rebbe etc. I know you cant stand these 'greasy bearded' tzaddikum from the dark ages but the middos hadin doesnt care and it will catch up to you, gauranteed, i have witnessed it many times

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 May 22, 2012 at 08:57 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #42  
Jothar Says:

So according to these 2 gentlemen, all we need to do is "educate" and the desires of the flesh go away. So according to this premise, the warnings on packs of cigarettes should have completely eradicated the scourge of smoking. Someone please tell me how well that worked out.
Furthermore, Dr. Pelcowitz was one of the speakers at YU's infamous conference on homosexuality. He said that you can't judge feelings, and it's not a choice. Does he now approve of "educating" gays to make them straight, or does he still believe that, when it comes to homosexuality, that you can't "educate" away a desire, but somehow approves of it to do away with filters?

Finally, according to the writers of this article, if we would take an "educated" Jewish teen, put a stack of pornography magazines in his room, and surreptitiously film the results, that our educated teen will NOT have a desire for it because his education precludes desires of the flesh. I'll take that bet.

"educated jewish teen put a stack in his room film it will not have a desire" You lost the bet. I have all the sforim in my dining room with not age approved material in it ( Noach daughters, Sdom, many places in Tnach and gemorah and none of my teenage children choose to learn more of these subject than the approved for age ones. I hope you have the same sforim and your underage kids dont abuse it and i sure hope you are not taking out the pages you fit not for their consumption.

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 May 22, 2012 at 09:22 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

Actually, there were concrete items mentioned to protect. Filters. You are not going to teach away yetzer horah, you have to set gedarim. Its nt a new idea, the whole idea of muktzah and shvus is based on that. You may feel that old fashioned, but that your problem.

We see what happens with just education, you get pornographic stories written in school related magazines, you have tefillin dates, you have gatherings supporting homesexual lifestyles.

And that assumes that any education is even provided, instead of just sitting a child or teenager in fromnt of an internet connection and telling them to be modern like alll blue blooded Americans.

"Filters.You are not going to teach away Yetzer Hora" Please explain this to me. I am learning Gemorah Bove Metzia Artscroll in englisch. Some of the stuff is X-rated. How do i filter it. On the internet i get it, you will filter what you dont think is wright. But what do i do with the Printed Version of Artscroll Shas. Hide it from my children? Tear out the pages? Help me

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 May 23, 2012 at 02:24 PM NoCureForStupidity Says:

Reply to #65  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Filters.You are not going to teach away Yetzer Hora" Please explain this to me. I am learning Gemorah Bove Metzia Artscroll in englisch. Some of the stuff is X-rated. How do i filter it. On the internet i get it, you will filter what you dont think is wright. But what do i do with the Printed Version of Artscroll Shas. Hide it from my children? Tear out the pages? Help me

To dare compare the holy Torah to the lowly Internet means you are in a very low spiritual state. And btw, does your Gemora have pictures too?

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 May 23, 2012 at 02:27 PM You're right Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

Don't know what filter's Dr. Jones tested, but I have "FIlternet" and set it to the minimum which just blocks out site with porngraphic contents, that's it, I work on Interent all day and hardly did I have a regular site blocked, I don't even notice i'm using a filter! & if once in a trillion clicks I have a regular site blocked (happened once in the three years I'm using filter!) I just need to call them or chat with them directly fro the blocked page and they'll unblock it in seconds!! my friends have the same service for free from K9webprotection.com for free! fact is polls show the majority of society watch indecent things and ANYBODY kidding themselves they they can trust their children with the net and rely on their inner filters is borderline dumb...just checkout facebook pages of today's goyish teens and you'll see what's going on...

Also I heard from a Frum computer repairman who said that of all the computers he's serviced in Frum workplaces, most of them contained filthy websites that had been accessed. People should get their heads out of the sand and realize we are being buried in this tumah.

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 May 23, 2012 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
sndinc Says:

a misguided waste of time when there r so many bigger issues to address . just another example of lack of leadership!

Tell that to the many people who's families broke up and lost their children to the tumah of the Internet.

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 May 24, 2012 at 03:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #68  
Anonymous Says:

Tell that to the many people who's families broke up and lost their children to the tumah of the Internet.

Yes and a clos friend of mine who's a therapist told me the Rabbonim from the Asifa are not just blowing smoke; his clients are among the many in our community whose marriages and lives have been absolutely wrecked by the Internet. Any man who doesn't at least get a filter is as guilty as one who eats trifle,

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 May 24, 2012 at 11:49 PM LARAINESTERN Says:

Does anyone know of a reputable, Kosher, internet filter that I can download?

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