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Published on: May 29, 2012 03:46 PM
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Jerusalem - Israel’s Attorney General has announced that non-Orthodox rabbis serving their communities will receive state funding for the first time.

Up to now the state has recognized and supported only Orthodox rabbis, leaving the more liberal clergy and their congregations without state funding.

The decision was in response to a 2005 appeal by the Reform movement for one of its rabbis, Miri Gold. She welcomed the decision in an interview on Army Radio Tuesday. “This is a historic move of justice in our country.” she said.

The Justice Ministry said religious councils could employ liberal rabbis, but they would be called “community leaders,” not rabbis.

Unlike in North America, the two liberal streams of Judaism in Israel are tiny compared to the stricter Orthodox.

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 May 29, 2012 at 03:59 PM MonseyMan Says:

this is what happens when orthodox rabbis don't behave. it makes us look bad and makes the other faith systems more attractive

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 May 29, 2012 at 04:02 PM Lodzker Says:

more reason not to pay full taxes there.

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 May 29, 2012 at 04:18 PM MistahKurtz Says:

Israel should have separation of "church" and state, just as we do here. If the Orthodox can't influence the secular in any way except by forcing them, then what's the point. Besides, why should Rabbis be employees of the State?

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 May 29, 2012 at 04:46 PM Anonymous Says:

There is no reason that they shouldn't get financial support since all Israelis pay taxes and should be allowed to rely upon any rav they choose. That doesn't change the law regarding kiddushin and gets being handled al pi halahca only by Orthodox rabbonim.

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 May 29, 2012 at 05:12 PM Babishka Says:

I thought reform was opposed to rabbis being "state parasites" but it's OK now that they are the parasites?

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 May 29, 2012 at 05:25 PM Reb Yid Says:

Time to support another State of Israel?

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 May 29, 2012 at 05:29 PM A nelson Says:

Good, now they can fund JforJ also

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 May 29, 2012 at 05:41 PM cool masmid Says:

It's clear that you are a self hating jew, the worst type that there is out there. My only question is how did you become the hatemonger that you are? What was it that triggered you to lose any sense of right and wrong?

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 May 29, 2012 at 05:55 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #3  
Lodzker Says:

more reason not to pay full taxes there.

I wouldn't try that. Unless, you are willing to live behind bars in an Israeli prison.

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 May 29, 2012 at 05:56 PM PMOinFL Says:

The'd be better off giving money to build mosques. Reform is not Judaism.... it is another religion made up in the last generation. Half of these people aren't even Jewish.

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 May 29, 2012 at 06:16 PM LESkid Says:

Reply to #2  
MonseyMan Says:

this is what happens when orthodox rabbis don't behave. it makes us look bad and makes the other faith systems more attractive

It is not another faith. You may disagree with them but they are still Jews. The MO will soon be treated the same way in EY. Look at the conversion issue from a year ago with the RCA.

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 May 29, 2012 at 06:22 PM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #3  
Lodzker Says:

more reason not to pay full taxes there.

“ more reason not to pay full taxes there. ”

We have no evidence that *you* pay any taxes here, there or anywhere else.

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 May 29, 2012 at 07:00 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #3  
Lodzker Says:

more reason not to pay full taxes there.

and in your opinion how much taxes should you pay there?

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 May 29, 2012 at 07:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
MistahKurtz Says:

Israel should have separation of "church" and state, just as we do here. If the Orthodox can't influence the secular in any way except by forcing them, then what's the point. Besides, why should Rabbis be employees of the State?

Why should the Jewish state have separation of church and state? Israel was founded for a very different reason than America.

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 May 29, 2012 at 07:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbis by your definition are not productive or serving members of the state chareidi, modern or reform.

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 May 29, 2012 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:

If you are going to keep making comments like this one you change your screen name to proud aryan.

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 May 29, 2012 at 07:41 PM RobertS Says:

Is Israel is going to pay non-Orthodox "rabbis" who might not even be halakhically Jewish? I have no problem with Israel paying halakhically Jewish rabbis from the non-Orthodox movement, but only if they agree that a "Jew" is halakhically Jewish by matrilineal descent or by halakhic conversion, whether or not they claim the honorific "Rabbi"

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 May 29, 2012 at 07:59 PM PMOinFL Says:

FYI: There are COUNTLESS productive, Torah-observant people in Israeli society.

The fact that there are many people who choose to spit in the face of H" and mock His Torah is nothing to celebrate or endorse.

The fact that these phony religions like "reform" and "conservative" exist is unfortunate enough. The fact that they were made up by men in the 20th's century, does not make them legitimate. The fact that they ignore the words of H" as told to us by Moshe Rabbeinu, is outrage. In fact, from a Torah perspective, Mosques have more kedusha than a reform "theater".

Many of these so-called "reform Jews" aren't even Jewish, according to Torah, including their "rabbis". So why should we care?

That being said, no religious leader should be an employee of the state. The two should be separated... even in E"Y.

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 May 29, 2012 at 08:02 PM sighber Says:

Israel should try to be the Jewish homeland. Reform and conservative are not Judaism but aberrations of Judaism. We just finished the holiday of the giving of the Torah-reform and conservative do not recognize the Divine authority of the Torah and Jewish law as handed down through the generations.

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 May 29, 2012 at 08:02 PM Anonymous Says:

A woman as a "rabbi" here and a gelt you can not enjoy there.

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 May 29, 2012 at 08:42 PM LoveNY Says:

Reply to #20  
sighber Says:

Israel should try to be the Jewish homeland. Reform and conservative are not Judaism but aberrations of Judaism. We just finished the holiday of the giving of the Torah-reform and conservative do not recognize the Divine authority of the Torah and Jewish law as handed down through the generations.

You are right and wrong. Right about, they don't respect the Torah; even tough they dwelve into its meaning. Wrong about not being part of Klall Yisroel.
At the Yom Tov davening it's said "Atoh Ve'Chartonuh" not Atoh Ve'Chart.
Ve'Chart Is the meaning of one kind; Ve'Chartonuh is the meaning all of us green purple orange Orthodox, Reform, Conservartive, etc. the point is as Jews we are one!

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 May 29, 2012 at 08:52 PM MIESQ Says:

Funding and official status are big. Maybe it is time for the State to take a definite stand and stop trying to be all things to all people. It is time for Israeli leaders to understand the Jewish element in the State is not the product of a majority Jewish demographic but the soul of the country and should reflected both in its laws and their enforcement. After all because religion governs matters of personal status what makes Reform or Conservative more worthy of State funding than J for J particularly if one uses democratic values as one's basis?

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 May 29, 2012 at 09:05 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #8  
A nelson Says:

Good, now they can fund JforJ also

that is a sick comment

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 May 29, 2012 at 09:43 PM RobertS Says:

Reply to #20  
sighber Says:

Israel should try to be the Jewish homeland. Reform and conservative are not Judaism but aberrations of Judaism. We just finished the holiday of the giving of the Torah-reform and conservative do not recognize the Divine authority of the Torah and Jewish law as handed down through the generations.

Lesson from Shavuot is that all Jews were at Sinai, even reform and conservative. As long as they are halakhicalky Jewish, that is.

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:29 AM not_suprised Says:

Reply to #25  
RobertS Says:

Lesson from Shavuot is that all Jews were at Sinai, even reform and conservative. As long as they are halakhicalky Jewish, that is.

There were no reform or conservative at Sinai. There was no Orthodox either for that matter; these made up titles didn't exist for milenia to come.

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:36 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #24  
Robert Says:

that is a sick comment

It's not sick. They, like the reform and conservative are 100% anti-Torah. They deny Torah Sheba'al Peh COMPLETELY. Followers of these fake religions are sad victims. MOST of them are victims of Jewish con-men who lied to and cheated their parents and grandparents in the wake of the Shoah. It is a shameful part of our history. When Jews at their most desperate were willing to do anything to save their families and build new lives, these fraudsters were waiting for them.... to sacrifice their neshamos and those of ALL of their decedents for a little profit. Don't EVER forget it.

The rich business owners who wanted so much to be assimilated, used and abused our families and ripped them away from the Torah life they knew. Those inhuman monsters, most of whom were Jewish themselves, destroyed generations. Lending to validity to or sanctioning that "fraud" as something legitimate can never happen.

At the end of the day, there is no difference between j4j, reform, conservative, etc. They are all fake religions made up by PEOPLE in the 19th/20th century. They believe in something other than the words of H". They are no different than a cult bowing down to a pile of cabbage.

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 May 30, 2012 at 08:57 AM chayala Says:

Reply to #25  
RobertS Says:

Lesson from Shavuot is that all Jews were at Sinai, even reform and conservative. As long as they are halakhicalky Jewish, that is.

Sorry big u can't alter the torah to please yourself n blame it on ALL JEWS R JEWS BLAH BLAH BLAH! TORAH means adhering to the 613 Mitzvos. It doesn't ce with a MANUSCRIPT OR A SUGGESTIONS BOX! there is no Senators or House of Representative , THERE IS NO VOTING! AND LAST Hashem doesn't need our help on how to run the world! With every new trend WE CREATE NEW PROBLEMS!!

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 May 30, 2012 at 09:04 AM chayala Says:

What a pile of RUBBISH!! WOMAN rabbi's. Talk about WOMAN Rights totally out of control!! Moshe Rabbainu gave us the torah its 100's of years old, You don't like it that's okay, STOP TRYING TO AMMEND IT.

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 May 30, 2012 at 09:21 AM circus Says:

FUND? the only thing I would do is hand them RE-FUNDS!! for the circus, which is exactly what they are turning our torah into!!

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 May 30, 2012 at 09:26 AM Torah Scholar Says:

Next thing u know they will be requesting rights to write a sifria Torahs! What is the holy land coming to

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 May 30, 2012 at 10:03 AM concerned Says:

In 1940 before the Nazi uprising the REFORMS Where warned by the Minchas Eluzer that there will be a price to pay for all those who don't keep shabbos AND for those who take the torah into they're own hands. The cost was a bitter 6 million!!! Playing with fire is hazardous! !! How many times we have fallen and still there r those who think they know better!!!!

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 May 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #26  
not_suprised Says:

There were no reform or conservative at Sinai. There was no Orthodox either for that matter; these made up titles didn't exist for milenia to come.

Right. Jews accepted upon themselves Torah Sheba'al Peh and Torah Shebich'sav as the divine word.

Over time, people turned away from H". In modern society, some of these non-believers created new religions where the opinions of man outweigh the word of H". Trends and fads overrule H".

Of course we know that all those born to a Jewish mother are Jewish. That does not change. Even if you choose to bow down to a head of lettuce, you are still Jewish... forever. But, that does not mean that we should ever endorse bowing to a head of lettuce, or give any legitimacy to it. In the same way, we as Jews cannot do anything to legitimize religions that deny H", deny His Torah, and deny His Law. Denying those things, by definition, means you are practicing a religion OTHER than Judaism.

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 May 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM Robert Says:

Reply to #32  
concerned Says:

In 1940 before the Nazi uprising the REFORMS Where warned by the Minchas Eluzer that there will be a price to pay for all those who don't keep shabbos AND for those who take the torah into they're own hands. The cost was a bitter 6 million!!! Playing with fire is hazardous! !! How many times we have fallen and still there r those who think they know better!!!!

you are inferring the cost
the minchas eliezer does not predict the murder of 6 million

tell me, what about the holy martyrs who did observe shabbat and keep the torah?

i do not accept your conclusion that 6 million holy jews were murdered because of the reform movement and i suspect the minchat eliezer would agree with me

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 May 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM Joey_E Says:

Reply to #27  
PMOinFL Says:

It's not sick. They, like the reform and conservative are 100% anti-Torah. They deny Torah Sheba'al Peh COMPLETELY. Followers of these fake religions are sad victims. MOST of them are victims of Jewish con-men who lied to and cheated their parents and grandparents in the wake of the Shoah. It is a shameful part of our history. When Jews at their most desperate were willing to do anything to save their families and build new lives, these fraudsters were waiting for them.... to sacrifice their neshamos and those of ALL of their decedents for a little profit. Don't EVER forget it.

The rich business owners who wanted so much to be assimilated, used and abused our families and ripped them away from the Torah life they knew. Those inhuman monsters, most of whom were Jewish themselves, destroyed generations. Lending to validity to or sanctioning that "fraud" as something legitimate can never happen.

At the end of the day, there is no difference between j4j, reform, conservative, etc. They are all fake religions made up by PEOPLE in the 19th/20th century. They believe in something other than the words of H". They are no different than a cult bowing down to a pile of cabbage.

Whereas of course "traditional" Judaism hasn't changed or evolved since Biblical times? Let's be real - our ancestors 3000 years ago wouldn't even recognise or identify with Orthodox dress, speech, customs, ritual, prayers, and mindsets. Layers upon layers of interpretation and unquestioning adherence to it's "infallibility" has created what we know today as Orhodox Judaism.

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #29  
chayala Says:

What a pile of RUBBISH!! WOMAN rabbi's. Talk about WOMAN Rights totally out of control!! Moshe Rabbainu gave us the torah its 100's of years old, You don't like it that's okay, STOP TRYING TO AMMEND IT.

You just made Devorah Ha'Neviah cringe in her kever.

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #32  
concerned Says:

In 1940 before the Nazi uprising the REFORMS Where warned by the Minchas Eluzer that there will be a price to pay for all those who don't keep shabbos AND for those who take the torah into they're own hands. The cost was a bitter 6 million!!! Playing with fire is hazardous! !! How many times we have fallen and still there r those who think they know better!!!!

How dare you! Are you somehow justifying the slaughter of 6,000,000? You have the audacity to try to rationalize the inexplicable? Do you really think that lowly of Hashem, accepting the deaths of so many so easily?

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM sighber Says:

Reply to #22  
LoveNY Says:

You are right and wrong. Right about, they don't respect the Torah; even tough they dwelve into its meaning. Wrong about not being part of Klall Yisroel.
At the Yom Tov davening it's said "Atoh Ve'Chartonuh" not Atoh Ve'Chart.
Ve'Chart Is the meaning of one kind; Ve'Chartonuh is the meaning all of us green purple orange Orthodox, Reform, Conservartive, etc. the point is as Jews we are one!

I did not say reform and conservative Jews are not part of klal Yisroel (as long as they were born Jewish or had a proper conversion by a rabbi who accepts the Torah mi'Sinai and they accepted the Torah and mitzvos upon converting). Reform and conservative movements are not Judaism-they are deniers of Torah, the basis of Judaism.

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #12  
LESkid Says:

It is not another faith. You may disagree with them but they are still Jews. The MO will soon be treated the same way in EY. Look at the conversion issue from a year ago with the RCA.

Yes, they are still Jews (about half of them are) who are involved in another religion. Where is the stira here?

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #35  
Joey_E Says:

Whereas of course "traditional" Judaism hasn't changed or evolved since Biblical times? Let's be real - our ancestors 3000 years ago wouldn't even recognise or identify with Orthodox dress, speech, customs, ritual, prayers, and mindsets. Layers upon layers of interpretation and unquestioning adherence to it's "infallibility" has created what we know today as Orhodox Judaism.

That is such nonsense.

What does the style of dress have to do with halacha? The majority of Torah-observant Jews dress in styles that reflect modern society. Yes, tznius has to be maintained, but that doesn't mean they can't dress modern. People choose to follow the customs of their families back in Europe. That is a CHOICE. That's not what we are discussing here.

Speech? New words for new ideas, concepts and things are always being created as language evolves. If you mean PRONUNCIATION of words, of course that changed as world accents influenced our speech. Again, this has nothing to do with following the laws of H".

Rituals? Prayers? No matter what part of the world you come from, these have stayed the same. There is plenty of documented evidence to show it. There are MINOR differences that emerged but most are CUSTOMS, not changes to the laws of H".

If we take away the "layers" of "interpretation", we still have the laws H" gave to us. Forget the customs and stringency, but at least start the basic laws of H"! We have ONE Shulchan Aruch. If you aren't at least starting there, you're practicing something OTHER than Judaism that was MADE UP BY MAN.

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 May 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #35  
Joey_E Says:

Whereas of course "traditional" Judaism hasn't changed or evolved since Biblical times? Let's be real - our ancestors 3000 years ago wouldn't even recognise or identify with Orthodox dress, speech, customs, ritual, prayers, and mindsets. Layers upon layers of interpretation and unquestioning adherence to it's "infallibility" has created what we know today as Orhodox Judaism.

Continued:

The conservative, reform, j4j, and all the rest don't COMPLETELY reject the Shulchan Aruch. They pick and choose what they like and don't like because they feel they know better.

Why do you bother making tefilin? You could just print the words on pieces of paper and tape them onto your arm and forehead. How do you know what tefillin is supposed to look like? The Torah certainly doesn't say so.

Secondly, why do these people eat chametz during pesach? If it were just a rejection of the "layers of interpretaion", why not follow the SPECIFIC laws that are spelled out in no uncertain terms in the Torah by H" Himself.

For example: "Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; However, the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses; for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel."

So why do most "reform" make a seder on the first (maybe the 2nd) night, serve chametz, and then ignore the rest of Pesach?

You can try to justify your following of a fake religion made up by men in the last century if you want to. That's your choice. We choose the OBVIOUS truth of Torah over the lies of man.

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 May 30, 2012 at 05:53 PM concerned Says:

Reply to #34  
Robert Says:

you are inferring the cost
the minchas eliezer does not predict the murder of 6 million

tell me, what about the holy martyrs who did observe shabbat and keep the torah?

i do not accept your conclusion that 6 million holy jews were murdered because of the reform movement and i suspect the minchat eliezer would agree with me

I didn't say they died cause of anything. Ever heard of the good suffer for the bad?

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 May 30, 2012 at 05:56 PM concerned Says:

Reply to #37  
DavidCohen Says:

How dare you! Are you somehow justifying the slaughter of 6,000,000? You have the audacity to try to rationalize the inexplicable? Do you really think that lowly of Hashem, accepting the deaths of so many so easily?

I don't justify anything I'm saying that we r barking up the wrong tree by AMMENDING H TORAH

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