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Jerusalem - Charedi Newspaper Slams Madonna's 'Disgraceful' Concerts In Israel

Published on: June 1, 2012 09:28 AM
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Jerusalem - While fans in Israel awaited Madonna’s concert, some decided to voice their protest against the queen of pop’s visit to Israel in an ultra-Orthodox journal.
The religious journal ‘HaEda’ slammed the singer’s concerts in Israel, calling them “disgraceful,” and further stated that her faith in Jewish mysticism which includes her visiting the graves of the righteous while in Israel, “desecrates the holy sites.”
Titled “Kabbalah cult sponsors shameful performances in Holy Land,” the article reported that the residents of northern Galilee and Tiberius were “shaken and disgusted” after realizing Madonna intended to visit the holy cities in northern Israel.
The journal does not mention Madonna by name but rather refers to her as the “famous gentile singer.”
According to the journal, over the past few days rumors revolving Madonna’s intention to buy an apartment in Safed have been floating around, causing “pain and rage within the god-fearing community.” The journal referred to the singer’s intentions as a “Kabbalah sponsored gimmick.”
The journal reported that following a protest led by the religious citizens of the area, the singer postponed a planned visit to the Galilee.
The article further wrote that “the non-Jews abuse their faith in a ridiculous cult, turning the graves of the righteous into a ‘trendy’ and touristy place.”


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 Jun 01, 2012 at 09:43 AM simba Says:

What was so disgraceful was the fact that she had a big red cross and dancers dressed as monks. If Israeli's are willing to pay to her concert then she can perform there, even if every step she takes on Holy Soil is disgusting.
Why does she have to come with her garbage though, some respect, after all she is a "spiritual" women.

These people have no values.
The paper should be writing how sad is it that she had a sold out stadium of Jews and how can we bring them closer to Yiddishkiet.
We cannot control Madonna, only our own actions.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 09:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Obviously, her style of entertainment is not going to be for all the "black hat" types but she is an incredibly talented performer who will attract huge crowds. There is also a question of "kol isha" for those who take this issur seriously and there is little liklihood she will appear together with Mattisyahu or Lipa or MBD or any of the great frum singers.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 09:58 AM NeveAliza Says:

Why would this be of any interest to readers of the Charedi news media?

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 10:14 AM Anonymous Says:

How. Sad! The holy sages haveto be visited by such a preetzisdiga person. The audacity of her to desicrate there holy resting places, y doesn't anyone
stand up for there kovid?!

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 10:35 AM Materetsky Says:

A lot of the audience, I've heard, was actually nonjewish Europeans who flew in because this particular concert is supposed to be a very big deal to Madonna fans.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 10:43 AM chaimme Says:

why is the charedi papers getting involved. when are we going to learn this is not the way to mekarev. This outrage just turns people furthur away.....

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 11:21 AM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #3  
NeveAliza Says:

Why would this be of any interest to readers of the Charedi news media?

And particularly, that narrow-minded, corrupt mouthpiece of those who have a skewed view of everything that represents normal and civilized behavior. They (probably) have a paid circulation of 4 1/2 readers.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 11:24 AM goforit1 Says:

Money and fame seem to talk to many and for many. B'H some yidden still have the sensitivity to not worship this eglah hazahava.. On a lighter note, will be the name of her tour be called, The Skihsha Tuma Tour ?

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 11:44 AM MistahKurtz Says:

I'm so glad the Jewish people prayed for 2000 years for a return to Eretz Yisroel so we could have a "jewish" state populated by morons who will pay money to see Madonna.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 11:46 AM Stay level headed Says:

Madonna went to perform where there was a demand to hear her. Like Simba (#1) said, it's sad that there is so much demand in Israel. But this isn't surprising, because the chiloni culture in Israel is similar to American pop culture.
What we need to remember is that the Charedi newspapers don't think it's surprising either. I'm hearing a lot of "who is interested in this" and "this isn't the way to mekarev Yidden". Obviously. They're not out to mekarev Yidden. They are trying to reach their target audience, the chareidim, to reiterate that Madonna's values aren't their values. They are hoping to help keep people on the derech, by pointing out the differences between "us" and "them". Which non-Charei orthodox do too.

We wouldn't even have known about the charedi newspaper article if VIN hadn't posted it. Why did you do that, VIN? If we're not the charedi newspaper's target audience, why tell us what they printed? Because it seems like the only reason is to get us to speak against the Charedi. I hope the sole reason for this article here wasn't to create more sinas chinam.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 12:04 PM berelw Says:

why do the charaideshe media always make a dunce out of themselves? nothing wrong for madonna to come to israel..

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 12:09 PM shredready Says:

she is a performer nothing more. for people that like her music this is very enjoyable.

don't want to go great but why criticize people who find her music and performance enjoyable. What everything that goes on Israel is only is the heradiem like it and find it acceptable?

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 12:12 PM yochtzel Says:

If she buys a apartment in Tzfas it would take away of the cleanliness (spiritually)of the city. she wont sit quite there, it would become a hub for her kabala cult and entertainers. she will be at the Aree Hokudoish's grave all the time and continue her quest for taking a dip in the Aree's holy mikva, its a old quest she's trying to accomplish, but thank G-D she didn't achieve it yet, and hopefully never will.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

What is to be gained by a chareidi paper publishing this item?
Anyone interested in Madonna isn't reading the paper and definitely wouldn't be influenced by it.
The only thing gained by it is an increase of antagonism. At this juncture in Israeli politics this is the last thing we need.
"yofeh shtika l'chachomim etc."

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 01:00 PM ExpatriateOwl Says:

Simba (#1) says:

"The paper should be writing how sad is it that she had a sold out stadium of Jews and how can we bring them closer to Yiddishkiet."

Note that none of the ticket purchasers for the stadium Madonna sold were coerced into buying the tickets. The same cannot be said for the Citi Field anti-Internet asifa.

And whenever someone else tries to sell a stadium for a show with Yiddishkeit, the show gets ossured. But don't take my word for it, ask Lipa Schmeltzer.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 01:17 PM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #7  
bigwheeel Says:

And particularly, that narrow-minded, corrupt mouthpiece of those who have a skewed view of everything that represents normal and civilized behavior. They (probably) have a paid circulation of 4 1/2 readers.

Hmmm. Not a single, solitary, reader of VIN pays a nickel for the privilege of readership, either.

By *your* definition, then, we also "have a skewed view of everything that represents normal and civilized behavior" as well.

!שבת שלום מירושלים המחודשת ובנויה

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:

The Israeli cultures is to take American culture and make it worst. It is funny, that this week we read Megialla Ruth; where when Ruth wants to convert she is told by her mother-in-law, not to, and the Medrish said she told Ruth she would no longer be able to go to their circus or threatres. Yet this is the week that Madonna comes and mitameis Eretz Yisrael

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 02:55 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #16  
Avreich1 Says:

Hmmm. Not a single, solitary, reader of VIN pays a nickel for the privilege of readership, either.

By *your* definition, then, we also "have a skewed view of everything that represents normal and civilized behavior" as well.

!שבת שלום מירושלים המחודשת ובנויה

מה ענין שמיטה אצל הר סיני? Your "Train of thought", or method of logic? escapes me!

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 03:26 PM FredE Says:

Reply to #6  
chaimme Says:

why is the charedi papers getting involved. when are we going to learn this is not the way to mekarev. This outrage just turns people furthur away.....

Amen to that. I think it was R Chaim Brisker who said that not everything thought should be written.

Ask yourself if Chabad would make an issue of this. Answer: Not in a million years. Its counterproductive.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 04:37 PM chiefchacham Says:

This is all a bunch of nonsense. If she wants to come and entertain, that's a good thing. Chances are that the people who are attending this will do other not so nice things. They may go on the Internet without a filter for example.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 04:58 PM Anonymous Says:

She is a great asset to Israeli tourism and the economy....she contributes a lot more to the medinah than many of those complaining that her peformance is not tziniusdik.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 05:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
berelw Says:

why do the charaideshe media always make a dunce out of themselves? nothing wrong for madonna to come to israel..

no...nothing wrong with her visiting there. it's a free country....but the idea that people in this holy land want her entertainment...speaks for itself and for you!!!!

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
shredready Says:

she is a performer nothing more. for people that like her music this is very enjoyable.

don't want to go great but why criticize people who find her music and performance enjoyable. What everything that goes on Israel is only is the heradiem like it and find it acceptable?

Because shredready...this is Israel...the holy land, in case you forgot...not america..that's why...I guess if you ask, you are far from understanding!!!

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
ExpatriateOwl Says:

Simba (#1) says:

"The paper should be writing how sad is it that she had a sold out stadium of Jews and how can we bring them closer to Yiddishkiet."

Note that none of the ticket purchasers for the stadium Madonna sold were coerced into buying the tickets. The same cannot be said for the Citi Field anti-Internet asifa.

And whenever someone else tries to sell a stadium for a show with Yiddishkeit, the show gets ossured. But don't take my word for it, ask Lipa Schmeltzer.

Wow...what comparisons you make. First Madonna vs the asifa...coerced...wow...coerced...NOBODY FORCED ANYONE TO GO..NOBODY...I guess your bias is showing.
Secondly...what has Lipa got to do with this....
You are just coming on here to find a way to voice what that "little voice in your soul is whispering"..."I hate Charedi and their "ilk".

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 06:27 PM MaverickThinker Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

How. Sad! The holy sages haveto be visited by such a preetzisdiga person. The audacity of her to desicrate there holy resting places, y doesn't anyone
stand up for there kovid?!

I would like to think that the Holy Sages can take care of themselves. Perhaps her
mere acknowledging the holiness of these sites, even if she is approaching them from misplaced motives, will lead her to more opened eyes. Kind of like Hashem helping us when we initially do a particularly mitzvah begrudingly.

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 Jun 01, 2012 at 06:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
ExpatriateOwl Says:

Simba (#1) says:

"The paper should be writing how sad is it that she had a sold out stadium of Jews and how can we bring them closer to Yiddishkiet."

Note that none of the ticket purchasers for the stadium Madonna sold were coerced into buying the tickets. The same cannot be said for the Citi Field anti-Internet asifa.

And whenever someone else tries to sell a stadium for a show with Yiddishkeit, the show gets ossured. But don't take my word for it, ask Lipa Schmeltzer.

great comment!

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 Jun 02, 2012 at 03:14 PM shimon Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Obviously, her style of entertainment is not going to be for all the "black hat" types but she is an incredibly talented performer who will attract huge crowds. There is also a question of "kol isha" for those who take this issur seriously and there is little liklihood she will appear together with Mattisyahu or Lipa or MBD or any of the great frum singers.

Are you joking?
Kol isha is also a problem if the wife of the godol hador was singing.
Is she nothing worse than that?!!!?

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 12:17 AM shlishkes Says:

Reply to #20  
chiefchacham Says:

This is all a bunch of nonsense. If she wants to come and entertain, that's a good thing. Chances are that the people who are attending this will do other not so nice things. They may go on the Internet without a filter for example.

chief-good one :) In regard to Madonna, she's disgusting, but she supports Israel and provides enormous revenue, which cannot be said of MANY performers, actors, etc. If she is sufficiently covered and does not wear any traif symbols, there really can't be a way to bar her from holy sites.

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 12:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to 27

This is not a religious concert and there is no wife of any "gadol hador" singing. Your sense of humor is inappropriate.

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 08:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

Reply to 27

This is not a religious concert and there is no wife of any "gadol hador" singing. Your sense of humor is inappropriate.

What does this have to do with whether it's the wife of a Gadol HaDor singing, or Madonna singing?

Listening to Kol Isha is forbidden to a Jewish man, no matter who the woman is.

The added issue with Madonna is that she's Preetzus-dik and the antithesis of Kidusha.

People like her have no business in the Holy Land.

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 08:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
shlishkes Says:

chief-good one :) In regard to Madonna, she's disgusting, but she supports Israel and provides enormous revenue, which cannot be said of MANY performers, actors, etc. If she is sufficiently covered and does not wear any traif symbols, there really can't be a way to bar her from holy sites.

So "Disgusting" is ok in the Holy Land, as long as it provides enormous revenue.

"If she is sufficiently covered and does not wear any traif symbols. . ."

Read this, and see if that's true.

http://www.haaretz.com/culture/arts-leisure/madonna-under-fire-as-israel-concert-draws-heavy-media-flak-1.434014

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 09:03 AM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Ok, I get that her concert isn't exactly going to attract the "black-hats" (lol), BUT, her coming to Israel sends a POWERFUL message. Let me explain:

I don't know if many of you were aware, but there's almost like an unwritten rule or "ban" on performers doing concerts & putting on shows in the Holy Land. They believe that until the Palestinian's are no longer "occupied" (eyeroll), that it's the duty of the Hollywood types to get involved & to boycott playing gigs in Israel.

There has been only a handful of celebrities (big name ones like Madonna) that have been willing to play in Israel, since this unwritten "ban" started taking effect on behalf of the "plight" of the Palestinian's. (double eyeroll)

BUT, Madonna has defiantly refused to submit to any such "ban", and has played concerts here before, has travelled here, and has donated great sums of money to certain charitable organizations in the Holy Land. She, above all other American celebrities, has gone above & beyond to spread the message of her love for Israel & has even publicly stated on more than one occasion, that she believes Israel to be the 'spiritual center of the world', etc.

Is THAT so bad?? *shrug*

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 09:09 AM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #28  
shlishkes Says:

chief-good one :) In regard to Madonna, she's disgusting, but she supports Israel and provides enormous revenue, which cannot be said of MANY performers, actors, etc. If she is sufficiently covered and does not wear any traif symbols, there really can't be a way to bar her from holy sites.

Excellent post! And from the pictures I've seen of Madonna when she visits the Holy Sites, she *IS* dressed very modestly (for her), and even covers most of her hair w\a hat or some accessory. And she is always covered up in long shirts, coats, etc. I've never once seen pictures of her visiting those holy places, while being dressed inappropriately. Really!

Can the same be said for EVERY other tourist, etc. who visits those graves??

Probably not.

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 03:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
shlishkes Says:

chief-good one :) In regard to Madonna, she's disgusting, but she supports Israel and provides enormous revenue, which cannot be said of MANY performers, actors, etc. If she is sufficiently covered and does not wear any traif symbols, there really can't be a way to bar her from holy sites.

you can't bar her from any sites regardless of what she is wearing. who made YOU the watchman to decide who can go where in Israel?

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 03:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

What does this have to do with whether it's the wife of a Gadol HaDor singing, or Madonna singing?

Listening to Kol Isha is forbidden to a Jewish man, no matter who the woman is.

The added issue with Madonna is that she's Preetzus-dik and the antithesis of Kidusha.

People like her have no business in the Holy Land.

People like YOU have no business in he Holy Land. Anyone else who wants to go can go. You have nothing to say about who should be allowed into Israel or not.

There is nothing wrong with the way she dresses, for her. And she does not have to dress in any way to suit YOU. She is not a frum Jew, she has no obligation to dress in a way that you would like her to, and no reason to ask your permission to visit any place she wants to, unless it is your house, the only place YOU control.

People like YOU have no business telling everyone else what they should do.

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 Jun 03, 2012 at 11:49 PM ChachoMoe Says:

Reply to #33  
SherryTheNoahide Says:

Excellent post! And from the pictures I've seen of Madonna when she visits the Holy Sites, she *IS* dressed very modestly (for her), and even covers most of her hair w\a hat or some accessory. And she is always covered up in long shirts, coats, etc. I've never once seen pictures of her visiting those holy places, while being dressed inappropriately. Really!

Can the same be said for EVERY other tourist, etc. who visits those graves??

Probably not.

Very good point, Sherry! Besides all the controversy. It is by far as if she's the only singer performing there in that manner, Israel has plenty of their own.

It is only that she draws more attention. Anyways, I do believe she means well in a way, though, I can not, for my life, figure her out ...

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