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FILE - In this Saturday, April 12, 2007 file photo, part of a display wartime Pope Pius XII is seen in the museum at the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem. Israel's national Holocaust memorial has toned down its account of Pope Pius XII's controversial conduct during World War II, following a diplomatic flap with the Vatican. A wall panel at the Yad Vashem memorial inaugurated Sunday, July 1, 2012 still says the wartime pontiff did not do enough on behalf of Europe's Jews. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer, File)FILE - In this Saturday, April 12, 2007 file photo, part of a display wartime Pope Pius XII is seen in the museum at the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem. Israel's national Holocaust memorial has toned down its account of Pope Pius XII's controversial conduct during World War II, following a diplomatic flap with the Vatican. A wall panel at the Yad Vashem memorial inaugurated Sunday, July 1, 2012 still says the wartime pontiff did not do enough on behalf of Europe's Jews. (AP Photo/Kevin Frayer, File)

Jerusalem - Israel’s national Holocaust memorial has toned down its account of Pope Pius XII’s conduct toward the massacre of Jews during of World War II, following a long diplomatic dispute with the Vatican.

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Critics have long contended that Pius, who was pope from 1939 to 1958, could have done more to stop the Holocaust, when 6 million Jews were killed. Before his election as pope, he also served as the Vatican’s No. 2 and before that as the papal envoy to Germany.

Given his deep involvement in the Vatican’s diplomatic affairs with the Nazis, what Pius did or didn’t do during the war has become the single most divisive issue in Vatican-Jewish relations.

A wall panel at the Yad Vashem memorial installed on Sunday still lists occasions when the wartime pontiff did not protest the slaughter of Europe’s Jews. But it also offers the views of defenders who say the church’s “neutrality” helped to save lives.

“This is an update to reflect research that has been done in the recent years and presents a more complex picture than previously presented,” Yad Vashem said in a statement.

The papal envoy in Israel, Antonio Franco, welcomed what he called “the positive evolution.”

“For the Holy See, for the church, it’s a step forward in the sense that it evolves from the straight condemnation to the evaluation,” including the position of the pontiff’s backers, he said.

In 2007, Franco threatened to skip that year’s annual Holocaust remembrance day ceremony at Yad Vashem to protest the panel’s old text. He eventually relented, but the dispute frayed delicate ties between the Vatican and Israel, as well as the Vatican’s image among Jews the world over, many of whom are similarly critical of Pius.

The Vatican insists Pius used quiet diplomacy, and that speaking out more publicly and critically against the Nazis would have resulted in more Jewish deaths. Critics argue he could have and should have said and done more.

The old text at Yad Vashem, headlined, “Pope Pius XII,” refers to the “controversy” surrounding the pontiff’s conduct, but offered only criticism.

The new text, headlined, “The Vatican,” retains the criticism, but it adds his supporters’ position that Pius’ silence in condemning the murder of Jews was not a moral failure but a tactic that prevented harsher measures against church institutions, enabling church officials to carry out secret rescue missions.

For years, Yad Vashem has urged the Vatican to open its wartime archives to historians, but Franco said that is years away. “Only when all material is available will a clearer picture emerge,” the memorial said.

The controversy over Pius’ conduct has grown hotter over Vatican efforts to beatify him. Jewish leaders have asked the Vatican to freeze steps toward his sainthood until the complete set of Vatican archives is opened to scholars.

Pius’ supporters argue that many of the documents are already available.

The contention over Pius lingers after half a century of dramatic advances in relations between Catholics and Jews. In 1965, the Vatican rejected 2,000 years of Catholic teachings that Jews were collectively responsible for the death of Christ.

And after decades of reluctance, the Vatican recognized Israel in 1993, followed up by Pope John Paul II’s official visit to Israel in 2000, which included a stop at Yad Vashem. The current pope, Pope Benedict XVI, visited in 2009.


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 Jul 01, 2012 at 10:37 AM Avreich1 Says:

Until the Vatican can produce irrefutable and concrete proof of Pius' wartime activities there will always be niggling doubts about his attitude towards the Jews.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 10:43 AM bennym Says:

What chutzpah. They demand that everyone treat him well, but they can't release all archives yet. If you have nothing to hide why will it take years to open the archives?

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 10:43 AM a nelson Says:

while the pope was a rasha, the Israeli leadership and american Jewish leadership during the shoah were so deafeningly silent that they have o credibility to judge.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 11:40 AM HaNavon Says:

What?!?!

It is a well documented fact that he was complicit in the deaths of countless Jews, who were turned away from the church doors throughout Europe!
Only the Jewish children were allowed in, never to be seen by their surviving Jewish family again. They were systematically brainwashed into believing in Catholicism!
This was all done will the advice and help of this evil monster.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 11:48 AM Reb Yid Says:

Reply to #3  
a nelson Says:

while the pope was a rasha, the Israeli leadership and american Jewish leadership during the shoah were so deafeningly silent that they have o credibility to judge.

That's true. It does rather seem like a case of the pot calling the kettle black, for the Zionists to be saying that.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 11:55 AM Kzler Says:

I cannot judge Pope Pius during the war because I was in concentration camp however in 1945 these 2 bishops in Rome , Catholic of course set up the ratline. One an Austrian named Alois Hudal he is on the internet and the other a Croatian named Draganovic. These two were responsible for the escape to South America of the worst Croatian and German war criminals. Hudal , aN aUSTRIAN, facilitated the escape of Mengele,Eichman and Brunner and many others. Draganovic helped escape Ustashi, Croats war criminals. Thhe American Jewish leadership considered nuisance certainly many died after the liberation due to lack of medical care. The distributors of the "help" were the AJDC. Today the Shoah is a big item and everyone is in line to take money from Germany

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 12:04 PM A Says:

Reply to #4  
HaNavon Says:

What?!?!

It is a well documented fact that he was complicit in the deaths of countless Jews, who were turned away from the church doors throughout Europe!
Only the Jewish children were allowed in, never to be seen by their surviving Jewish family again. They were systematically brainwashed into believing in Catholicism!
This was all done will the advice and help of this evil monster.

I am not here to argue the facts surrounding Pope Pius XII and his actions during WWII. Hopefully all the information will surface soon and the truth will be revealed.

However, I have to comment on your statement regarding the Catholic church and Jewish children during the Holocaust. The church took my mother in and hid her from the nazis for the duration of their occupation of her country. When the war was over she was given back to her relatives. My siblings and I, our children, our grandchildren are alive today because of the church's protection. I know not all Jewish children were as lucky and that there were many that were lost to Judaism, but there were some priests and nuns within the Catholic church that helped save the lives and neshamas of Jewish children.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 12:43 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #5  
Reb Yid Says:

That's true. It does rather seem like a case of the pot calling the kettle black, for the Zionists to be saying that.

The evil Zionists were too busy saving chassidesheh rebbehs to help most poshutah yiddin.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:18 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #7  
A Says:

I am not here to argue the facts surrounding Pope Pius XII and his actions during WWII. Hopefully all the information will surface soon and the truth will be revealed.

However, I have to comment on your statement regarding the Catholic church and Jewish children during the Holocaust. The church took my mother in and hid her from the nazis for the duration of their occupation of her country. When the war was over she was given back to her relatives. My siblings and I, our children, our grandchildren are alive today because of the church's protection. I know not all Jewish children were as lucky and that there were many that were lost to Judaism, but there were some priests and nuns within the Catholic church that helped save the lives and neshamas of Jewish children.

yes there where many since i know people who where hidden by nuns and told them to keep their Jewish faith

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:19 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #5  
Reb Yid Says:

That's true. It does rather seem like a case of the pot calling the kettle black, for the Zionists to be saying that.

another ben hetch reader i see

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:21 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #5  
Reb Yid Says:

That's true. It does rather seem like a case of the pot calling the kettle black, for the Zionists to be saying that.

there are only two groups who agree with your statement

Noe-Nazis and herideim

you keep good company

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:30 PM Avreich1 Says:

I was in Rome a few weeks ago, and I made it my business to visit the shul in the old Ghetto.

There is a fine Jewish museum in the basement of the shul (well worth a visit) where, among many other items and exhibits a film depicting the history of the Jews of Rome is shown.

All fine and laudable stuff - apart from the appalling story of the then Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, and his family, all of whom were offered refuge in the Vatican.

Immediately after the liberation of the city of Rome this "fine Jew", together with his entire family, made a full, unconditional and total conversion to Roman Catholicism.

As if this was not a sufficient insult to his followers - and to his G-d - Israel Zolli changed his name to 'Eugenio', in honor of the Pope who had given him shelter and sustenance during the Nazi occupation. Zolli was employed at the State University in Rome and at the Pontifical Biblical Institute. He died in Rome, aged 74, in 1956.

Admittedly the Zollis were a tiny minority of all Roman Jews, but their story is a blot on their history.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:32 PM Phil E Stein Says:

Reply to #8  
qazxc Says:

The evil Zionists were too busy saving chassidesheh rebbehs to help most poshutah yiddin.

Do you really believe that - or are you just spouting this claptrap because you were brainwashed when you were a little pisher in cheder?

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:44 PM Avreich1 Says:

I found a couple of quotations from the former Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel (Eugenio) Zolli:

"Conversion consists in responding to a call from God. A man is not converted at the time he chooses, but at the hour when he receives God's call. When the call is heard, he who receives it has only one thing to do: obey. Paul is 'converted'. Did he abandon the God of Israel? Did he cease to love Israel? It would be absurd to think so. But then? The convert is who feels impelled by an irresistible force to leave a pre-established order and seek his own proper way. It would be easier to continue along the road he was on."

and

"In the Old Testament, Justice is carried out by one man towards another... We do good for good received; we do harm for harm we have suffered at the hands of another. Not to do injury for injury is, in a certain fashion, to fall short of justice.' What a contrast with the Gospel: Love your enemies... pray for them, or even Jesus' last words on the cross: 'Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing!' All this stupefied me. The New Testament is, in fact, an altogether new Testament".

And today, all we are worried about is our kids going OTD!

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:46 PM Nebech Says:

Reply to #8  
qazxc Says:

The evil Zionists were too busy saving chassidesheh rebbehs to help most poshutah yiddin.

Like the Zionist wanted to save the rebbes

They wanted to convert Jews
Not save them

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 01:49 PM si girl Says:

Reply to #7  
A Says:

I am not here to argue the facts surrounding Pope Pius XII and his actions during WWII. Hopefully all the information will surface soon and the truth will be revealed.

However, I have to comment on your statement regarding the Catholic church and Jewish children during the Holocaust. The church took my mother in and hid her from the nazis for the duration of their occupation of her country. When the war was over she was given back to her relatives. My siblings and I, our children, our grandchildren are alive today because of the church's protection. I know not all Jewish children were as lucky and that there were many that were lost to Judaism, but there were some priests and nuns within the Catholic church that helped save the lives and neshamas of Jewish children.

In your case it happened because of individual efforts. It was not a collective effort of the church. An exception only proves the rule.

For example my grandfather's family was saved during the pogrom by the local Russian Orthodox priest in the beginning of the XX th century. It was an exception as well due to the merits of that particular individual.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 02:50 PM as iz Says:

what is the porpose of this display to sick the truth lets start home stifen weis in usa and president rosewelth himself and yichok grinboum why do we have to start up with the catholic church it is just acantiunation for the last 1600 years but ouher brothers in usa in israel our liberal friends in the free world where were thay...there is 14milion yews arand the world israel ;please don:t sick more enemis HACHOMIM HASHIRI BDIVREICHEM,,,,,,,,,,,

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 03:05 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Nebech Says:

Like the Zionist wanted to save the rebbes

They wanted to convert Jews
Not save them

I was in Vienna a boy in 1938. Nobody saved stam Aa Jewish child or a Yid. Eerybody saved his chassidim. Betar saved the betaristen, Agudah saved Agudisten, Shomeir Hazair saved their members and the rest went into Birkenau, Majdanek and Maly Trostinec. Then there was "the gut Jewish method of protekzia" and of course Geld when rich Satmarer chssidim got money together paid Rudolf Kastner and got hm on a train. In my case I had an uncle who was friendly with the last rep of the Sochnut in Vienna Aron Menczer and I got a certificate bu too late in August 1939 and in September the war erupted. Aron Menczer was from Gordonia and a tzaddik. He accompanied two transports to E.Y. Palestine returned because of Eichmann. Was sent to
Theresienstadt. He volunteered to acompany children Auschwitz and was gassed in Birkenau. That is a gibor, and did not wear a black hat, not a Borsalino. His father was za Wicznitzer chusid. All of you know very little. Except venom against the tzionym, venom against Obama or Hussein Obama and the hero is a Jewish notorious gambling operator who lives off tznus in Macao and has funded
Gingrich, Santorum and now Romney a motley crew.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 03:50 PM Buchwalter Says:

Reply to #8  
qazxc Says:

The evil Zionists were too busy saving chassidesheh rebbehs to help most poshutah yiddin.

some refused to go there as for example Reb Avruminu, others lived in
Tel-Aviv as for example the Belzer but their goal was no saving Rebbes

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 03:52 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #17  
as iz Says:

what is the porpose of this display to sick the truth lets start home stifen weis in usa and president rosewelth himself and yichok grinboum why do we have to start up with the catholic church it is just acantiunation for the last 1600 years but ouher brothers in usa in israel our liberal friends in the free world where were thay...there is 14milion yews arand the world israel ;please don:t sick more enemis HACHOMIM HASHIRI BDIVREICHEM,,,,,,,,,,,

Stephen Wise made an effort and Rosevelt told Morgenthau remember you are her under sufferance

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 05:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
shredready Says:

there are only two groups who agree with your statement

Noe-Nazis and herideim

you keep good company

Vile words from a commenter who openly said under his former pen name, formelly, that he supports the nazis.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 05:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Three things to say here.
1. The pope is a fraud
2. The Papacy is inhumane
3. The christian saints are not orthodox if they are murderers.

So if they want us to tone it down, we have every right to tone it up when they do things like making an evil rasha into a saint.

Guess what, Israel prays too.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 06:30 PM flabergasted Says:

Who cares, let the church beatify him. How will this affect us in any way?

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 06:49 PM 45180 Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Vile words from a commenter who openly said under his former pen name, formelly, that he supports the nazis.

I smell 'din torah' coming on here.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 08:24 PM Lawrence M. Reisman Says:

Shredready:

I suggest you read David Wyman and Anna Porter. The Zionist establishment was more interested in setting up international opinion in favor of a Jewish state than they were in saving Jews. Even Dan Kurzman, in his hagiographic biography of Ben Gurion, admits that he did very little.

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 08:57 PM sandymoos Says:

"But it also offers the views of defenders who say the church’s “neutrality” helped to save lives." Six million lost: how many saved?

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 08:58 PM kehati Says:

Reply to #18  
anonymous Says:

I was in Vienna a boy in 1938. Nobody saved stam Aa Jewish child or a Yid. Eerybody saved his chassidim. Betar saved the betaristen, Agudah saved Agudisten, Shomeir Hazair saved their members and the rest went into Birkenau, Majdanek and Maly Trostinec. Then there was "the gut Jewish method of protekzia" and of course Geld when rich Satmarer chssidim got money together paid Rudolf Kastner and got hm on a train. In my case I had an uncle who was friendly with the last rep of the Sochnut in Vienna Aron Menczer and I got a certificate bu too late in August 1939 and in September the war erupted. Aron Menczer was from Gordonia and a tzaddik. He accompanied two transports to E.Y. Palestine returned because of Eichmann. Was sent to
Theresienstadt. He volunteered to acompany children Auschwitz and was gassed in Birkenau. That is a gibor, and did not wear a black hat, not a Borsalino. His father was za Wicznitzer chusid. All of you know very little. Except venom against the tzionym, venom against Obama or Hussein Obama and the hero is a Jewish notorious gambling operator who lives off tznus in Macao and has funded
Gingrich, Santorum and now Romney a motley crew.

Every word in this post is emes! So many in the current generation only know how to parrot slogans, and know nothing of what really happened. Kol Hakavod!

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 Jul 01, 2012 at 11:31 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #27  
kehati Says:

Every word in this post is emes! So many in the current generation only know how to parrot slogans, and know nothing of what really happened. Kol Hakavod!

Some as you correctly state parrot slogans, others are totally disinterested and to lazy, faul to read history books or just read Ben Hecht or at least speak and ask to the few who are still around and witnessed the chorbin. History is in eye of the beholder. It is what you saw or did not want to see and talk about.

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 Jul 02, 2012 at 02:07 AM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #26  
sandymoos Says:

"But it also offers the views of defenders who say the church’s “neutrality” helped to save lives." Six million lost: how many saved?

"Six million lost: how many saved?"

That is a truly excellent question in an excellent comment, sandymoos.

Unfortunately, no one will ever come up with an answer acceptable to everyone - and that is yet another facet of the tragedy that is the שואה.

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 Jul 02, 2012 at 08:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Phil E Stein Says:

Do you really believe that - or are you just spouting this claptrap because you were brainwashed when you were a little pisher in cheder?

He cant possibly believe it. He is just a big pisher looking for action.

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 Jul 02, 2012 at 09:21 AM Berl Says:

Reply to #6  
Kzler Says:

I cannot judge Pope Pius during the war because I was in concentration camp however in 1945 these 2 bishops in Rome , Catholic of course set up the ratline. One an Austrian named Alois Hudal he is on the internet and the other a Croatian named Draganovic. These two were responsible for the escape to South America of the worst Croatian and German war criminals. Hudal , aN aUSTRIAN, facilitated the escape of Mengele,Eichman and Brunner and many others. Draganovic helped escape Ustashi, Croats war criminals. Thhe American Jewish leadership considered nuisance certainly many died after the liberation due to lack of medical care. The distributors of the "help" were the AJDC. Today the Shoah is a big item and everyone is in line to take money from Germany

100000000% right on the nose and the CIA was also complicit in bringing the Ukrainians Nazis to New Jersey

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 Jul 02, 2012 at 10:10 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #31  
Berl Says:

100000000% right on the nose and the CIA was also complicit in bringing the Ukrainians Nazis to New Jersey

No it was the OSS , CIA was formed later. It was your Republicans paragons Allen Dulles, Forrestal and McCloy members of a large Wall Street law firm. One was an SS General named Gehlen. The Ukrainians cursed me and others when we made a minyan on a U.S. Navy transport General CC Ballou

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