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Washington - More than 600 rabbis displayed their support for US President Barack Obama’s reelection bid on Tuesday,  joining a campaign initiative called Rabbis for Obama.

Obama for America announced Tuesday that Rabbis for Obama  is designed to “engage and mobilize grassroots supporters.”

The rabbis represent themselves and not individual synagogues or organizations, according to the news release. The names of all the rabbis can be found on the website barackobama.com/rabbis. Most of the rabbis are Reform or Conservative, although a handful are Orthodox.

“This list of rabbis represents a broad group of respected Jewish leaders from all parts of the country. These rabbis mirror the diversity of American Jewry,” Ira Forman, the Obama campaign’s Jewish outreach director, said in a news release.

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“Their ringing endorsement of President Obama speaks volumes about the president’s deep commitment to the security of the state of Israel and his dedication to a policy agenda that represents the values of the overwhelming majority of the American Jewish community,” Forman said.

The number of rabbis signing on is more than double the number who added their names to President Obama’s 2008 campaign at the launch of a similar effort then.

Rabbis Sam Gordon and Steven Bob, both of Illinois, and Burt Visotzky of New York are co-chairs for this initiative. The first two started Rabbis for Obama in 2008.

Content is provided courtesy of the Jerusalem Post


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1

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:01 PM Thebigbagel Says:

I have never seen so many female rabbis. Wow. What qualifys someone as a rabbi?

2

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:05 PM SandmanNY Says:

My faith in them any of them has been dashed to dust.

3

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Interesting; Very few hebrew names on the list.

4

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:12 PM SandraM Says:

I am sure there are no Halachic rabbis found among them. Not with the unprecedented arrogance, lack of support of family values and contempt for Israel.
I think it is a good thing that these 'rabbis' have come out in support of Obama, it will only serve to highlight their ineptitude and lack of impact...Good news, in other words...

5

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:17 PM mugsisme Says:

Wanna bet most are reform?

6

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:19 PM DACON9 Says:

ARE THOSE 'RABBI'S JEWISH?

7

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:23 PM yoyoyo Says:

I don't care which Rabbi supports Obama. But I'm definitely not gonna vote for him.

8

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:25 PM Anonymous Says:

how about the only rabbis for obama

9

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:34 PM Babishka Says:

I am voting for Obama. The GOP has gone round the bend in craziness.

10

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:45 PM Torahjew Says:

they should lose their tax exempt status and their parsonage
oh I forgot there are no laws for liberals

11

 Aug 21, 2012 at 08:54 PM marck100 Says:

Just like every jewish person committing a crime, is promoted by the press to be a rabbi. Now every deedle doo that is pro Obama has a door of opportunity of promotion.
Give me a break

12

 Aug 21, 2012 at 09:12 PM rationalman Says:

Reply to #9  
Babishka Says:

I am voting for Obama. The GOP has gone round the bend in craziness.

and yet you support his policies that he has done for this country -- perhaps you can enlighten me on all the good things he has done and how it benefited the country....?

13

 Aug 21, 2012 at 09:31 PM Anti Hassan Says:

So about 6 rabbis from each state a joke

14

 Aug 21, 2012 at 09:42 PM Ben Says:

Nice to see that Rabbi Abe Friedman made the lists.

15

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:01 PM Wise-Guy Says:

I actually think this is good. Why? Because there's still a significant chance Obama will win re-election and we don't want a president that owes no gratitude and favors to ANY Jews.

I for one am (almost) always glad when there are Jews in support of both candidates. It makes simple political sense and is an important strategy for us.

16

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:02 PM yaakov doe Says:

Never realized before how many of the conservative and reform clergy are women. My vote isn't influenced by any rabbi anyway, even a real one.

17

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:20 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #10  
Torahjew Says:

they should lose their tax exempt status and their parsonage
oh I forgot there are no laws for liberals

Since we believe in Torah Achas, I'm sure that you would also advocate that rabbonim with whom you presently identify will also lose these perquisites when they happen to publicly support something not pleasing to you, such as paying taxes honestly, refraining from giving people labels and avoiding being malbin p'nei chavero b'rabbim!

18

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM YentaMirel Says:

Over 180 of them females. They qualify as rabbis much like Obama qualifies as U.S. President. Four more years of this impostor at the helm of our country will sink us. G-d help us!

19

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM Chuna Says:

As Rav Moshe used to call the, ראבביס

20

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:51 PM Sherry The Noahide Says:

That gets me thinking. I will start "Noahides For Obama."

21

 Aug 21, 2012 at 11:23 PM Brooklyn mom Says:

They all make me sick

22

 Aug 21, 2012 at 11:28 PM ny Says:

Lol what a weird lot. No zionists on the list?

23

 Aug 21, 2012 at 11:37 PM yidfrumdablock Says:

Voting for Obama is like eating chazir on yom kippur.

24

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
SandraM Says:

I am sure there are no Halachic rabbis found among them. Not with the unprecedented arrogance, lack of support of family values and contempt for Israel.
I think it is a good thing that these 'rabbis' have come out in support of Obama, it will only serve to highlight their ineptitude and lack of impact...Good news, in other words...

Supporting facts, please. If you are alleging someone is not a halachic rabbi, has contempt for family values and Israel, I assume you are doing so based on actual knowledge and not committing loshon hora.

25

 Aug 21, 2012 at 10:50 PM Mark Levin Says:

They aren't rabbis, they are uber socialist jews. Their opinion is completely worthless to anyone with a brain in their head.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 12:02 AM Torahjew Says:

Reply to #17  
The Professor Says:

Since we believe in Torah Achas, I'm sure that you would also advocate that rabbonim with whom you presently identify will also lose these perquisites when they happen to publicly support something not pleasing to you, such as paying taxes honestly, refraining from giving people labels and avoiding being malbin p'nei chavero b'rabbim!

I come from a school/ yeshiva that advocates always paying your due taxes so that the ny times cant embarrass you on their front page however these liberal nutes and you apparently believe that there are only laws for conservatives but liberals and the obamanation can squirt them when it suits their needs the law states no clergy can use their platform to endorse any politician maybe you should read the law before you call yourself professor

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 02:30 AM Farbisine Friedman Says:

599 of the 600 'rabbis' listed are not rabbis at all and one rabbi listed is just plain nuts, a real mental case. These phonies who call themselves rabbis don't practice Judaism they practice deviant religions such as "Reform", "Conservative", "Reconstructionism", "Feminism", "Socialism", and other non Jewish cults. They lie to their followers and proclaim to them that "This is Judaism!" or "Judaism is evolving" or some other stupid ideas they have to fool their naive followers. If I lived in Buzzard Crotch, Louisiana I can call myself "Rabbi" and make up my own version of a religion and call it Judaism. No one will know the difference, I am the "Rabbi".
We must put a stop to this Sheker. There is no such thing as a woman rabbi; Homo---- Toayvah is an abomination and is punishable with death; only pigs eat pig; Saturday is Shabbos and Hashem gave us his Torah. These ousvorf phony reform / conservative / reconstruction / deconstruction, etc. say that men and women wrote different parts of the Torah at different times in history! What rubbish these phony rabbis heap on their followers and what naive followers they have! NEBECH! Hashem Yeracheim!!!

28

 Aug 22, 2012 at 04:35 AM 5TResident Says:

Some Jews are hard-left no matter what. They'd vote for Chavez or Castro before voting for a Republican.

29

 Aug 22, 2012 at 05:22 AM HaNavon Says:

What's wrong with all of you?

Obama is relatively good for Israel. He's certainly much better than Carter and Nixon!

The truth is that no one actually likes Israel, so we can just hope for the one who is less evil.
No one lives up to their campaign promises on anything, let alone Israel, so you never know what you're going to get.

The truth is that a president has very little to do with foreign policy or the economic climate, and people like yourselves are much like little children. You're trying to blame one person for a problem that is much bigger and older than the 4 or 8 years of any president.
Why any of you even mention the economy is beyond me. The problem is with the entire Keynesian economic system and the Federal reserve, not Obama.

Secondly, you're foolish if you believe that your vote counts for anything!

30

 Aug 22, 2012 at 06:01 AM Reb Yid Says:

Reply to #23  
yidfrumdablock Says:

Voting for Obama is like eating chazir on yom kippur.

Which, most likely, most of them approve of also.

31

 Aug 22, 2012 at 07:21 AM Babishka Says:

Reply to #12  
rationalman Says:

and yet you support his policies that he has done for this country -- perhaps you can enlighten me on all the good things he has done and how it benefited the country....?

I'll give you one example of something good that Obama has done for the country: the GM bailout. Because of this, the auto industry is thriving and many professionals, who have gone through some tough times of unemployment, are back at work doing better than ever. Recruiters are calling nonstop to fill highly-paid auto industry positions.

If GM had gone bankrupt, like Mitt Romney says it should have, Ford would have followed shortly after and the entire city of Detroit would totally collapse. Detroit is still not fully recovered but the economy is definitely on the rise. I bought two new cars last year. People with jobs...tend to buy stuff, which makes more jobs for more people.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 07:54 AM DACON9 Says:

GM IS NOT THRIVING.
IT OWES US TAXPAYERS 35 BBBBILLION DOLLARS
Cash for klunkers raised prices on 'used car parts' to repair our cars.
The steel was sold to China
The average person couldnt take advantage of that program because credit was tightened.
The top of the 'credit scores' were the only ones t hat was able to take advantage.
Obama did that program as a 'thank you' to the unions.
The exectutives are still getting multi millions in retirments and other advantages EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THEIR MANAGEMENT.THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE FAILING GM....and it is still failing.

The executives in GM gets salaries based on performance.During those years not one exec getting multi million dollar salaries were reduced and they were getting RAISES.

There is much more...
obama is destroying our AMERICA AND OUR ISRAEL.
When obama showed the bottom of his feet sitting on a desk greeting Netanyahu is an example of the bottom of his heart and soul for Jews and Israel.

33

 Aug 22, 2012 at 08:17 AM Avi Says:

Reply to #18  
YentaMirel Says:

Over 180 of them females. They qualify as rabbis much like Obama qualifies as U.S. President. Four more years of this impostor at the helm of our country will sink us. G-d help us!

Obama is a natural citizen of the United States and he was 35 or older at the time he was elected.

According to your position, every single one of those 180+ females are fully qualified and legitimate Rabbis. I think you should probably reevaluate your beliefs.

34

 Aug 22, 2012 at 08:18 AM Avi Says:

Reply to #23  
yidfrumdablock Says:

Voting for Obama is like eating chazir on yom kippur.

One is a personal choice with no particular ramifications. The other is at least one issur de'ohraisah.

I suppose it would be expecting too much from a Republican to be able to determine which is which.

35

 Aug 22, 2012 at 08:20 AM MAMAROCHEL Says:

Obama is laughing all the way to the bank! He knows best how foolish they are!

36

 Aug 22, 2012 at 08:37 AM Babishka Says:

Reply to #32  
DACON9 Says:

GM IS NOT THRIVING.
IT OWES US TAXPAYERS 35 BBBBILLION DOLLARS
Cash for klunkers raised prices on 'used car parts' to repair our cars.
The steel was sold to China
The average person couldnt take advantage of that program because credit was tightened.
The top of the 'credit scores' were the only ones t hat was able to take advantage.
Obama did that program as a 'thank you' to the unions.
The exectutives are still getting multi millions in retirments and other advantages EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THEIR MANAGEMENT.THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE FAILING GM....and it is still failing.

The executives in GM gets salaries based on performance.During those years not one exec getting multi million dollar salaries were reduced and they were getting RAISES.

There is much more...
obama is destroying our AMERICA AND OUR ISRAEL.
When obama showed the bottom of his feet sitting on a desk greeting Netanyahu is an example of the bottom of his heart and soul for Jews and Israel.

I don't even know how to respond to such a spew of misinformation and outright lies. The only thing that I can say is that automotive professionals like myself, who were suffering from unemployment and short-term contracts, are now back in our professions and WE ARE MAKING MONEY AND BUYING STUFF. BTW I do not work at GM.

I also can not think of anything that President Obama has done that has harmed Israel. He has carried on the same policies as the previous administration, nothing has changed in that respect.

37

 Aug 22, 2012 at 08:38 AM Avi Says:

Reply to #32  
DACON9 Says:

GM IS NOT THRIVING.
IT OWES US TAXPAYERS 35 BBBBILLION DOLLARS
Cash for klunkers raised prices on 'used car parts' to repair our cars.
The steel was sold to China
The average person couldnt take advantage of that program because credit was tightened.
The top of the 'credit scores' were the only ones t hat was able to take advantage.
Obama did that program as a 'thank you' to the unions.
The exectutives are still getting multi millions in retirments and other advantages EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THEIR MANAGEMENT.THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE FAILING GM....and it is still failing.

The executives in GM gets salaries based on performance.During those years not one exec getting multi million dollar salaries were reduced and they were getting RAISES.

There is much more...
obama is destroying our AMERICA AND OUR ISRAEL.
When obama showed the bottom of his feet sitting on a desk greeting Netanyahu is an example of the bottom of his heart and soul for Jews and Israel.

GM has posted profits every quarter since 2010 (the farthest back I could get data for). You have a strange definition of "failing".

38

 Aug 22, 2012 at 08:54 AM Nachum Says:

To #29-HaNavon- I have to take issue with your criticism of President Richard Nixon, as not being good for Israel. I would like to remind you that during the Yom Kippur War, when EY was losing, Nixon authorized a massive airlift to resupply EY. There were hundreds of flights of gigantic C-5A Galaxy planes, which brought in tanks, artillery, ammunition, and other needed war materials. In addition, fighter jets were flown off the decks of aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean, as well as from bases in Europe, and the USA. The airlift had to fly from the state of Delaware through the Azores, since the European countries would not permit overflights. Nixon overuled Henry Kissinger, who initially, was against the airlift. The airlift turned the tide, against the Egyptians and the Syrians. Nixon was a good friend of Israel, and Golda Meir and him, had a genuine respect and admiration for each other.

39

 Aug 22, 2012 at 09:48 AM The Professor Says:

Reply to #26  
Torahjew Says:

I come from a school/ yeshiva that advocates always paying your due taxes so that the ny times cant embarrass you on their front page however these liberal nutes and you apparently believe that there are only laws for conservatives but liberals and the obamanation can squirt them when it suits their needs the law states no clergy can use their platform to endorse any politician maybe you should read the law before you call yourself professor

Your knowledge of law is lax, as there is nothing on the books in the State of NY preventiing clergy for advocating for a politician. The Agudah does it all the time. And if you read the article carefully (which you evidently didn't), it stated very clearly that these individuals were advocating as individuals, and not as representatives of the organizations who employed them. Regarding your missive against "Obamanation," I fail to understand your reluctance to allow loopholes in the tax laws to be closed for the wealthy. If Romney can say with a straight face that he pays about 12% taxes on his earnings when a fireman or policeman pays more than double that rate, I find that rationalization appalling and morally faulty.

40

 Aug 22, 2012 at 10:05 AM Shtarker Says:

The reasons there are so few rabbonim from unzer are 1) they don't read newspapers, listen to radio, watch TV or go on the internet, so how could form an opinion? and 2) they don't recognize any of form of Judaism besides there own - and even among their own they have their doubts - so the idea of cooperating with others is silly.

41

 Aug 22, 2012 at 10:15 AM CTJEW Says:

This Liberal, CT Attorney whose life has been bettered by the passing of Civil Rights legislation and other Democrat sponsored social reforms is PROUD that three members of his family are on the list of 600.
I never made more money than when Clinto was President, or lost more money and had my property devalued then when both Bushes wedre in office. I'll not be voting for Romney under any circumstances. I do vote for the candidate, not the party. I'm old enough to remember respectable Republicans such as Nelson Rockefeller and Kenneth Keating.
Now we have idiot Republicans who skinny dip ion the Galil and talk about legitimate rape.

42

 Aug 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM Torahjew Says:

Reply to #39  
The Professor Says:

Your knowledge of law is lax, as there is nothing on the books in the State of NY preventiing clergy for advocating for a politician. The Agudah does it all the time. And if you read the article carefully (which you evidently didn't), it stated very clearly that these individuals were advocating as individuals, and not as representatives of the organizations who employed them. Regarding your missive against "Obamanation," I fail to understand your reluctance to allow loopholes in the tax laws to be closed for the wealthy. If Romney can say with a straight face that he pays about 12% taxes on his earnings when a fireman or policeman pays more than double that rate, I find that rationalization appalling and morally faulty.

actually you have your facts wrong even though I disagree with Agudah they NEVER endorse a politician neither does the ou or Young Israel but for you liberal professor why should the facts get in the way when you need to lie to help this obamination.
These people are using their "rabbi " status which is illegal it is not their personal joe opinion because then it would carry no weight.
You cant be for same gender marrige ,or pro abortion when ever you want and be a rabbi,
With regard to Israel those people who think he is good for them probably have never been to Israel because even the leftist Haaretz said only 10% approve Obama
no other president has embarrassed a sitting prime minister except obama did it to Bibi, No other president said that Israeli construction is the cause of terrorist attcks only Obama who copied it straight from Abbas playbook, Obama put the US back on the human rights panel when all they do is bash Israel and he does nothing about it..
Every vote counts even in ny because they will see who votes and those who vote get a voice for their opinions

43

 Aug 22, 2012 at 10:48 AM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #29  
HaNavon Says:

What's wrong with all of you?

Obama is relatively good for Israel. He's certainly much better than Carter and Nixon!

The truth is that no one actually likes Israel, so we can just hope for the one who is less evil.
No one lives up to their campaign promises on anything, let alone Israel, so you never know what you're going to get.

The truth is that a president has very little to do with foreign policy or the economic climate, and people like yourselves are much like little children. You're trying to blame one person for a problem that is much bigger and older than the 4 or 8 years of any president.
Why any of you even mention the economy is beyond me. The problem is with the entire Keynesian economic system and the Federal reserve, not Obama.

Secondly, you're foolish if you believe that your vote counts for anything!

Carter is your benchmark for who supports Israel? Yassir Arafat and Sadaam Hussein were probably less anti-Israel than that moronic bigot Jimmy Carter.

That being said, Obama has been no friend of Israel, not after the way he humiliated Netanyahu, and not after his pandering to Islamic states while ignoring Israel. George W Bush, for all his faults (and there are many) at least had the guts to say that Israel has the right to defend itself as needed.

44

 Aug 22, 2012 at 11:11 AM Torahjew Says:

Reply to #41  
CTJEW Says:

This Liberal, CT Attorney whose life has been bettered by the passing of Civil Rights legislation and other Democrat sponsored social reforms is PROUD that three members of his family are on the list of 600.
I never made more money than when Clinto was President, or lost more money and had my property devalued then when both Bushes wedre in office. I'll not be voting for Romney under any circumstances. I do vote for the candidate, not the party. I'm old enough to remember respectable Republicans such as Nelson Rockefeller and Kenneth Keating.
Now we have idiot Republicans who skinny dip ion the Galil and talk about legitimate rape.

you left out the liberal from minnisota and his 17 year old friend, or the liberal warren and her native american lies, or accusing romney for a woman's death no you see for liberals there no rules I hope you do not vote because you obviosly do not care about Israel or the economy this obama does not know how to create jobs because he never had one

45

 Aug 22, 2012 at 11:22 AM CTJEW Says:

Reply to #42  
Torahjew Says:

actually you have your facts wrong even though I disagree with Agudah they NEVER endorse a politician neither does the ou or Young Israel but for you liberal professor why should the facts get in the way when you need to lie to help this obamination.
These people are using their "rabbi " status which is illegal it is not their personal joe opinion because then it would carry no weight.
You cant be for same gender marrige ,or pro abortion when ever you want and be a rabbi,
With regard to Israel those people who think he is good for them probably have never been to Israel because even the leftist Haaretz said only 10% approve Obama
no other president has embarrassed a sitting prime minister except obama did it to Bibi, No other president said that Israeli construction is the cause of terrorist attcks only Obama who copied it straight from Abbas playbook, Obama put the US back on the human rights panel when all they do is bash Israel and he does nothing about it..
Every vote counts even in ny because they will see who votes and those who vote get a voice for their opinions

"These people are using their "rabbi " status which is illegal "
Since when? This attorney begs to differ with you. There is nothing illegal with using your title when signing a list or petition. If the signer listed his congregation, it would have to have a disclaimer that it was for identification purposes only, not an endorsement by the congregation.
Signing the list as Rabbi, is no different than me signing as Atty. Chaim Yonkel, or Chaim Yonkel, Esq. I earned my degre and am entitled to use it with my name. Same for M.D.s, D.D.s, etc.
If you've earned an honorific title, use it, your family will shep nachas.

46

 Aug 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM cent_cent Says:

Reply to #36  
Babishka Says:

I don't even know how to respond to such a spew of misinformation and outright lies. The only thing that I can say is that automotive professionals like myself, who were suffering from unemployment and short-term contracts, are now back in our professions and WE ARE MAKING MONEY AND BUYING STUFF. BTW I do not work at GM.

I also can not think of anything that President Obama has done that has harmed Israel. He has carried on the same policies as the previous administration, nothing has changed in that respect.

So going back to the pre 1967 borders is a good idea for Israel?
I beg to differ.

47

 Aug 22, 2012 at 11:47 AM DACON9 Says:

Reply to #37  
Avi Says:

GM has posted profits every quarter since 2010 (the farthest back I could get data for). You have a strange definition of "failing".

WHEN THEY CANT PAY THEIR DEBTS, THEY ARE FAILING.
Again I repeat
any company that goes bankrupt which GM should've fires the CFO and all his management, trashes the old ideas, introducing a new tighter ship.
Harvard Business school teaches that. Basic business teaches that. Obama didnt learn that for the insurance companies the banks, the auto industries.
They got bailouts while small businesses cant get a loan.

I too have data.
EVERY HEAR OF TRICKY BOOKKEEPING
WRITE OFFS DEPRECIATIONS ETC ETC.

48

 Aug 22, 2012 at 11:56 AM DITTO Says:

Ditto Ditto ! Everyone already expressed what I would have said. If those men or women are rabbis then I'm a monkey's uncle.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM cent_cent Says:

Reply to #39  
The Professor Says:

Your knowledge of law is lax, as there is nothing on the books in the State of NY preventiing clergy for advocating for a politician. The Agudah does it all the time. And if you read the article carefully (which you evidently didn't), it stated very clearly that these individuals were advocating as individuals, and not as representatives of the organizations who employed them. Regarding your missive against "Obamanation," I fail to understand your reluctance to allow loopholes in the tax laws to be closed for the wealthy. If Romney can say with a straight face that he pays about 12% taxes on his earnings when a fireman or policeman pays more than double that rate, I find that rationalization appalling and morally faulty.

First off, a fireman/policeman does not pay double that rate. In fact about half the households in the US pay no taxes at all. So your average policeman/fireman pays very little (if any) taxes.
Second, the reason he pays so low is b/c his gains are capital gains. The reason capital gains taxes are low, is b/c you are not guaranteed a profit, and if you lose there is no reimbursement. For example, if you buy a stock for 100 and 2 years later it is at 75. You sell it and take a 25 dollar hit. Then you rebuy it later for 75. It then goes up to 100 a year later. If you sell it, you will be taxed for the 25 dollar gain that you made. There is no credit given for the loss incurred on the original sale. It is taken on a yearly basis. So basically, you are breaking even and still paying taxes. That is why capital gains are taxed at a lower rate. B/c if you lose one year, you dont get tax credit for the next. It is not a "loophole". It makes sense.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 12:05 PM cent_cent Says:

Reply to #41  
CTJEW Says:

This Liberal, CT Attorney whose life has been bettered by the passing of Civil Rights legislation and other Democrat sponsored social reforms is PROUD that three members of his family are on the list of 600.
I never made more money than when Clinto was President, or lost more money and had my property devalued then when both Bushes wedre in office. I'll not be voting for Romney under any circumstances. I do vote for the candidate, not the party. I'm old enough to remember respectable Republicans such as Nelson Rockefeller and Kenneth Keating.
Now we have idiot Republicans who skinny dip ion the Galil and talk about legitimate rape.

Makes sense that a lawyer made more money with Clinton than with Bush.
I guess talking about rape is worse than the Clinton/Lewinsky affair.
President Bush never was in the Oval Office without a jacket and tie while Clinton couldn't even keep his pants on.

51

 Aug 22, 2012 at 12:34 PM Nova2 Says:

Reply to #31  
Babishka Says:

I'll give you one example of something good that Obama has done for the country: the GM bailout. Because of this, the auto industry is thriving and many professionals, who have gone through some tough times of unemployment, are back at work doing better than ever. Recruiters are calling nonstop to fill highly-paid auto industry positions.

If GM had gone bankrupt, like Mitt Romney says it should have, Ford would have followed shortly after and the entire city of Detroit would totally collapse. Detroit is still not fully recovered but the economy is definitely on the rise. I bought two new cars last year. People with jobs...tend to buy stuff, which makes more jobs for more people.

You know that alot of those GM cars are not built in America, right, or did you drink the cool-aid?

52

 Aug 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM CTJEW Says:

Reply to #44  
Torahjew Says:

you left out the liberal from minnisota and his 17 year old friend, or the liberal warren and her native american lies, or accusing romney for a woman's death no you see for liberals there no rules I hope you do not vote because you obviosly do not care about Israel or the economy this obama does not know how to create jobs because he never had one

I don't care what you hope. ovember will make 40 years of my voting without ever missing an election.

And as for your FALSE statement that I do not care for Israel, you know nothing about how much I care for Israel. I support Israel, Politically, financially and with more than 30 visit. I support individual charities and institutions in Israel including Kiryat Sanz Laniado Hospital ,Ezras Torah, Rabbi Israel Baal HaNess and Hadassah Hospital. The fact that I'm a Misnagid doesn't stop me from supporting Chassidische charities and institutions in Israel (or in Galus).
I certainly do care about the economy. Reagan's Trickle down voodoo economics didn't work. George Bush (the first) killed the real estate market in the early 90s (I lost more than $1.5 million) and in 2007-2008 I lost what I rebuilt because of the ineptitude of George Bush (the younger) and his republican cohorts. Under Obama, I have been able to rebuild much of what Bush cost me.

I have grown children and a business in Massachusetts and saw firsthand how Romney ran the state, I was NOT impressed.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #38  
Nachum Says:

To #29-HaNavon- I have to take issue with your criticism of President Richard Nixon, as not being good for Israel. I would like to remind you that during the Yom Kippur War, when EY was losing, Nixon authorized a massive airlift to resupply EY. There were hundreds of flights of gigantic C-5A Galaxy planes, which brought in tanks, artillery, ammunition, and other needed war materials. In addition, fighter jets were flown off the decks of aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean, as well as from bases in Europe, and the USA. The airlift had to fly from the state of Delaware through the Azores, since the European countries would not permit overflights. Nixon overuled Henry Kissinger, who initially, was against the airlift. The airlift turned the tide, against the Egyptians and the Syrians. Nixon was a good friend of Israel, and Golda Meir and him, had a genuine respect and admiration for each other.

Of the entire airlift, only president a few mid range missles were used during the YK War.
(See Avraham Rabinvitch's Yom Kippur War, particularly the footnotes.)

Nixon was motivated by Cold War political considerations, not any ahavas yisroel.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM cent_cent Says:

Reply to #29  
HaNavon Says:

What's wrong with all of you?

Obama is relatively good for Israel. He's certainly much better than Carter and Nixon!

The truth is that no one actually likes Israel, so we can just hope for the one who is less evil.
No one lives up to their campaign promises on anything, let alone Israel, so you never know what you're going to get.

The truth is that a president has very little to do with foreign policy or the economic climate, and people like yourselves are much like little children. You're trying to blame one person for a problem that is much bigger and older than the 4 or 8 years of any president.
Why any of you even mention the economy is beyond me. The problem is with the entire Keynesian economic system and the Federal reserve, not Obama.

Secondly, you're foolish if you believe that your vote counts for anything!

Couple of things. First off, I assume then that you would say that the pre 1967 borders would be a good thing for Israel. After all that is what Obama has stated should be the starting point. Also, using Jimmy Carter as a barometer is pretty low. Aside from being the worst president in history he is also a rabid anti-semite.
Lastly, blaming Keynesian economics is totally incorrect. The median income (not mean) in the US is way more than any other civilized nation. This is b/c we have a more free market than most, and are closer to the Keynesian economics than others. Look at the other countries that have heavy government involvement and high taxes and see how well they are doing. (Greece, France come to mind, not to mention the socialist/commie countries such as Cuba). Just to show the numbers- in the US it is about 31,000. Other countries: UK - 25000, Germany - 21000, France - 20000, Japan - 19000, Italy - 18000, Spain - 17000, Greece - 16000, Portugal - 13000, Poland - 9000. By the way, these figures are in equivalised disposable income - in other words adjusted to include government benefits and purchasing power. Seems to me that the problem is not Keynesian economics.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 12:17 PM malibu sucker Says:

Reply to #36  
Babishka Says:

I don't even know how to respond to such a spew of misinformation and outright lies. The only thing that I can say is that automotive professionals like myself, who were suffering from unemployment and short-term contracts, are now back in our professions and WE ARE MAKING MONEY AND BUYING STUFF. BTW I do not work at GM.

I also can not think of anything that President Obama has done that has harmed Israel. He has carried on the same policies as the previous administration, nothing has changed in that respect.

Basically. It's "I also can not think of anything".
That say's it all about you.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 01:36 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #20  
Sherry The Noahide Says:

That gets me thinking. I will start "Noahides For Obama."

Well, that actually sounds like a good idea! (:-D

Too bad **I** didn't write this post! (#20)

When are people going to EVER get sick of pretending to be me on here?!?! LOL

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 02:13 PM Avi Says:

Reply to #47  
DACON9 Says:

WHEN THEY CANT PAY THEIR DEBTS, THEY ARE FAILING.
Again I repeat
any company that goes bankrupt which GM should've fires the CFO and all his management, trashes the old ideas, introducing a new tighter ship.
Harvard Business school teaches that. Basic business teaches that. Obama didnt learn that for the insurance companies the banks, the auto industries.
They got bailouts while small businesses cant get a loan.

I too have data.
EVERY HEAR OF TRICKY BOOKKEEPING
WRITE OFFS DEPRECIATIONS ETC ETC.

You seem to be have a poor grasp of financials and of how businesses work. Do you have a mortgage? Can you pay it back right now, this second? No? You must be failing!

No one with a brain thinks that GM didn't need a bailout and that without it they would fail. The question is, are they failing now? By any reasonable measure, they are not failing.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 02:14 PM Avi Says:

Reply to #55  
malibu sucker Says:

Basically. It's "I also can not think of anything".
That say's it all about you.

I can't think of anything either, and I bet that neither can you. Or rather, you can probably "think" of some, but I bet you can't actually demonstrate anything.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 02:17 PM Avi Says:

Reply to #51  
Nova2 Says:

You know that alot of those GM cars are not built in America, right, or did you drink the cool-aid?

That's completely irrelevant. GM provides, direct- and indirectly, thousands of jobs in the US. That they also provide jobs outside the US is not relevant to the disaster that would have been a shuttered automaker.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 02:46 PM FredE Says:

Reply to #18  
YentaMirel Says:

Over 180 of them females. They qualify as rabbis much like Obama qualifies as U.S. President. Four more years of this impostor at the helm of our country will sink us. G-d help us!

Oh, stop it. We Orthodox dont exactly have much quality control in semica business.
The fact is that many Conservative rabbis, of whatever gender, undergo
more rigorous training then our people. How many Orthodox musmachim
are competent in Jewish Philosophy, or can name all the different types
of Midrashim? And dont get me started on the lack of competence in
Tanach. In the one area of Talmud we have an edge, but thats *it*.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 02:58 PM FredE Says:

Reply to #12  
rationalman Says:

and yet you support his policies that he has done for this country -- perhaps you can enlighten me on all the good things he has done and how it benefited the country....?

Here we go again...I have a 24 year old daughter. Because of the ACA
(the evil "Obamacare") she continues to be insured on my company
policy. Her and 2.5 million other 22-26 year olds, regardless of
preexisting conditions. And in 2.5 million people, some will
no doubt get sick or get hurt -- and their tushes will be in much better shape
because of this legislation.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 03:05 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #31  
Babishka Says:

I'll give you one example of something good that Obama has done for the country: the GM bailout. Because of this, the auto industry is thriving and many professionals, who have gone through some tough times of unemployment, are back at work doing better than ever. Recruiters are calling nonstop to fill highly-paid auto industry positions.

If GM had gone bankrupt, like Mitt Romney says it should have, Ford would have followed shortly after and the entire city of Detroit would totally collapse. Detroit is still not fully recovered but the economy is definitely on the rise. I bought two new cars last year. People with jobs...tend to buy stuff, which makes more jobs for more people.

You may be an "auto industry professional" but when it comes to economy, you lack the most rudimentary understanding.

First of all, Ford was never in any trouble, was actually doing well, refused to accept any bailout and is all the stronger for it: today it is by far the strongest American auto manufacturer.

But even more fundamentally, what usually happens when a company fails? The surviving companies take over their resources and use them more efficiently. So if GM was allowed to fail, as it should have been, Ford and other, mostly Japanese, auto manufacturers would expand their market share (people, businesses and government would still need automobiles), take over GM's means of production from which profit could be made and rehire most of the personnel who might have lost their jobs if GM deservedly failed. And America would be that much richer: we, the taxpayers, wouldn't be on the hook for countless billions of bailout dollars.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 04:17 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #42  
Torahjew Says:

actually you have your facts wrong even though I disagree with Agudah they NEVER endorse a politician neither does the ou or Young Israel but for you liberal professor why should the facts get in the way when you need to lie to help this obamination.
These people are using their "rabbi " status which is illegal it is not their personal joe opinion because then it would carry no weight.
You cant be for same gender marrige ,or pro abortion when ever you want and be a rabbi,
With regard to Israel those people who think he is good for them probably have never been to Israel because even the leftist Haaretz said only 10% approve Obama
no other president has embarrassed a sitting prime minister except obama did it to Bibi, No other president said that Israeli construction is the cause of terrorist attcks only Obama who copied it straight from Abbas playbook, Obama put the US back on the human rights panel when all they do is bash Israel and he does nothing about it..
Every vote counts even in ny because they will see who votes and those who vote get a voice for their opinions

Your knowledge is the facts is in error. The Agudah regularly directly, or through proxies, suggests which candidates it favors. Recently, the big guns were deployed to try to swing an election against a candidate who had voted for a bill giving gays equal protection under health insurance.

Regarding President Obama's position on Israel, he has said many times that the US support of Israel is rock-solid, and has backed up his words by selling weapons (such as large bunker-buster bombs) to the IDF that they couldn't get under Bush.
I don't expect him to be a lapdog for Bibi Netanyahu, who has his own difficult coaltion to manage. It doesn't surprise me that most Israelis don't approve of Obama - but who cares? They don't vote for him - Americans do! The President has been consistent in favoring human rights all over the globe, even when it puts him in conflict with a government generally friendly to the US. As such, he has taken a stand against the Sharon idea of "uvdot ba-shetach (facts on the ground)," and said that the fact that a settlement exists built doesn't give it prima facie legality. Even friends can disagree - although you might believe that to be blasphemous.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 04:26 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #49  
cent_cent Says:

First off, a fireman/policeman does not pay double that rate. In fact about half the households in the US pay no taxes at all. So your average policeman/fireman pays very little (if any) taxes.
Second, the reason he pays so low is b/c his gains are capital gains. The reason capital gains taxes are low, is b/c you are not guaranteed a profit, and if you lose there is no reimbursement. For example, if you buy a stock for 100 and 2 years later it is at 75. You sell it and take a 25 dollar hit. Then you rebuy it later for 75. It then goes up to 100 a year later. If you sell it, you will be taxed for the 25 dollar gain that you made. There is no credit given for the loss incurred on the original sale. It is taken on a yearly basis. So basically, you are breaking even and still paying taxes. That is why capital gains are taxed at a lower rate. B/c if you lose one year, you dont get tax credit for the next. It is not a "loophole". It makes sense.

It is regrettable that you haven't taken one of my courses, as I teach these topics. Long-term passive capital losses can be offset against long-term capital gains, to a maximum of $3000 per year. The problem with capital gains is that preferential treatment is not limited to situations where jobs are created, but to any kind of asset - paper or real. When you buy 100 shares of a traded stock, no new jobs are created. It is therefore morally unsustainable to suggest that an investor whose holdings of this nature grow in value because he might loose money should be taxed at half the rate of someone whose job makes him "chaiyav b'nafsho."
I don't want a president who believes that this kind of preferential tax treatment, and the closing of other loopholes, constitutes a tax increase. Rather, it is making the system more fair to everyone.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 04:30 PM The Professor Says:

Reply to #62  
ShmuelG Says:

You may be an "auto industry professional" but when it comes to economy, you lack the most rudimentary understanding.

First of all, Ford was never in any trouble, was actually doing well, refused to accept any bailout and is all the stronger for it: today it is by far the strongest American auto manufacturer.

But even more fundamentally, what usually happens when a company fails? The surviving companies take over their resources and use them more efficiently. So if GM was allowed to fail, as it should have been, Ford and other, mostly Japanese, auto manufacturers would expand their market share (people, businesses and government would still need automobiles), take over GM's means of production from which profit could be made and rehire most of the personnel who might have lost their jobs if GM deservedly failed. And America would be that much richer: we, the taxpayers, wouldn't be on the hook for countless billions of bailout dollars.

If you'd check your facts, you'll see that the bulk of bailout monies have been repaid with interest. Within the last six months, both GM and AIG securities were sold by the US Treasury to recoup a substantial portion of the monies advanced. Try reading a financial newspaper to be up to date instead of swallowing the rhetoric of others with an agenda to create and an election to win!

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 05:04 PM FredE Says:

Reply to #62  
ShmuelG Says:

You may be an "auto industry professional" but when it comes to economy, you lack the most rudimentary understanding.

First of all, Ford was never in any trouble, was actually doing well, refused to accept any bailout and is all the stronger for it: today it is by far the strongest American auto manufacturer.

But even more fundamentally, what usually happens when a company fails? The surviving companies take over their resources and use them more efficiently. So if GM was allowed to fail, as it should have been, Ford and other, mostly Japanese, auto manufacturers would expand their market share (people, businesses and government would still need automobiles), take over GM's means of production from which profit could be made and rehire most of the personnel who might have lost their jobs if GM deservedly failed. And America would be that much richer: we, the taxpayers, wouldn't be on the hook for countless billions of bailout dollars.

It seems to me that whether the bailout worked or not is very simple: Is GM paying back the money? In the Chrysler case of 1979, the Feds made a bundle when
Chrysler paid back the loan with interest. If thats the case, then its a success.
If they still go up in smoke and default on the loan, (like Sylantra, the solar
panel outfit that ripped off the Obama administration), its not.

As to your rehire scenario, there is no way all those thousands of people
would have found work in a short time. It just would not have happened.
You can imagine whatever you like, but when you suddenly throw
X thousands of people into the job market and the unemployment lines,
it aint pretty.

BTW, I bought Ford stock at the time of the bailouts (B"H). They were
not "doing well". The stock was 1.37 back then. They were in crummy shape.
The difference was that they had decent management with
a real plan. But Alan Mulahy of Ford would be the first to tell you
it was very touch and go, and I think even he is glad GM is still around.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 06:06 PM buchwalter Says:

Reply to #62  
ShmuelG Says:

You may be an "auto industry professional" but when it comes to economy, you lack the most rudimentary understanding.

First of all, Ford was never in any trouble, was actually doing well, refused to accept any bailout and is all the stronger for it: today it is by far the strongest American auto manufacturer.

But even more fundamentally, what usually happens when a company fails? The surviving companies take over their resources and use them more efficiently. So if GM was allowed to fail, as it should have been, Ford and other, mostly Japanese, auto manufacturers would expand their market share (people, businesses and government would still need automobiles), take over GM's means of production from which profit could be made and rehire most of the personnel who might have lost their jobs if GM deservedly failed. And America would be that much richer: we, the taxpayers, wouldn't be on the hook for countless billions of bailout dollars.

Your economy model is Ayn Rand survival of the fittest. GM was run down not by workers but by its executives and their board of directors. GM built the famous lemon the Hummer when gasoline was almost $ 4.00 a gallon, and even the chinese could not rescue it. GM built a new factory for the Saturn which turned out a fabulous car but the executive could not skim enough profit. Ford survived because it has a Ford on its helm married to a "Jewish woman" Chrysler is thriving because of an Italian and isa not an American company but a subsidiary of Fiat. Greed is not an economic principle unbridled selfishness. Mercedes, BMW and Audi are sellking record number of cars in the U.S. but the profits go back to Germany. Mr Romney's suggestion was a a "constructive bankruptcy on the back of the workers who no involvement in the failure and using the retirement fund for bailout. Apperently Barak Hussein Obama is more mensch. Your economy model is that of Romney's company personal greed.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 07:58 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #67  
buchwalter Says:

Your economy model is Ayn Rand survival of the fittest. GM was run down not by workers but by its executives and their board of directors. GM built the famous lemon the Hummer when gasoline was almost $ 4.00 a gallon, and even the chinese could not rescue it. GM built a new factory for the Saturn which turned out a fabulous car but the executive could not skim enough profit. Ford survived because it has a Ford on its helm married to a "Jewish woman" Chrysler is thriving because of an Italian and isa not an American company but a subsidiary of Fiat. Greed is not an economic principle unbridled selfishness. Mercedes, BMW and Audi are sellking record number of cars in the U.S. but the profits go back to Germany. Mr Romney's suggestion was a a "constructive bankruptcy on the back of the workers who no involvement in the failure and using the retirement fund for bailout. Apperently Barak Hussein Obama is more mensch. Your economy model is that of Romney's company personal greed.

Excellent post! Wow! You're a breath of fresh air on here!

Bless You! You wouldn't BELIEVE the complete misinformation out there about this President...and how much of it gets regurgitated on here! Conspiracy theories, urban myths about him praying 5 times a day in the Oval Office...lol... it's REALLY nice to see someone bring a little dignity back to the conversation!

For example, not a lot of folks on here realize that Paul Ryan signed on to TWO stimuluses under George Bush- even made a strong case for them right on the House Floor! Bless him...there's video of it too! :-D

But of course when President Obama does a SIMILAR stimulus (a combination of tax cuts & spending)...it's "Stalinism!" "Socialism!" and he was "Destroying The Very Fabric of America!

People just don't KNOW this stuff!

But wait until they find out! (:-O

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 08:04 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #67  
buchwalter Says:

Your economy model is Ayn Rand survival of the fittest. GM was run down not by workers but by its executives and their board of directors. GM built the famous lemon the Hummer when gasoline was almost $ 4.00 a gallon, and even the chinese could not rescue it. GM built a new factory for the Saturn which turned out a fabulous car but the executive could not skim enough profit. Ford survived because it has a Ford on its helm married to a "Jewish woman" Chrysler is thriving because of an Italian and isa not an American company but a subsidiary of Fiat. Greed is not an economic principle unbridled selfishness. Mercedes, BMW and Audi are sellking record number of cars in the U.S. but the profits go back to Germany. Mr Romney's suggestion was a a "constructive bankruptcy on the back of the workers who no involvement in the failure and using the retirement fund for bailout. Apperently Barak Hussein Obama is more mensch. Your economy model is that of Romney's company personal greed.

Excellent post! Wow! You're a breath of fresh air on here!

Bless You! You wouldn't BELIEVE the complete misinformation out there about this President...and how much of it gets regurgitated on here! Conspiracy theories, urban myths about him praying 5 times a day in the Oval Office...lol... it's REALLY nice to see someone bring a little dignity back to the conversation!

For example, not a lot of folks on here realize that Paul Ryan signed on to TWO stimuluses under George Bush- even made a strong case for them right on the House Floor! Bless him...there's video of it too! :-D

But of course when President Obama does a SIMILAR stimulus (a combination of tax cuts & spending)...it's "Stalinism!" "Socialism!" and he was "Destroying The Very Fabric of America!

People just don't KNOW this stuff!

But wait until they find out! (:-O

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 07:48 PM Frum Richmonder Says:

The two rabbis on the list from Richmond, VA are gay. They belong to the reform synagogue, Beth Ahabah. The "rabbi" surprised his congregation when they asked him about his married status (this was after he was hired) and he pointed to his "partner". Surprise surprise. Guess they should have checked him out a little more carefully before hiring him. Except they don't care. Now IF the "rabbi" were to say he was shomer shabbos and kosher, I doubt they would have been too accepting.

Anyway, anyone else noticed that most of that list lives in CA??? What does that tell you? I bet BO will spending a lot of his time campaigning on the Far Left Coast pretending to love Israel and love Jews and these phonies will continue to lap it up.

Basically, put a D after any name, and a liberal Jew will vote for it. I've said it before, put Hitler (yms) and they will STILL vote for him. Even if BO were to say drop the A-bomb on Israel, they will be cheering him on saying, great choice, good job. It's sick and sad to watch. But what do you except when you throw away the yoke of Torah and worship liberalism as a religion?

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 09:14 PM rivka Says:

Reply to #38  
Nachum Says:

To #29-HaNavon- I have to take issue with your criticism of President Richard Nixon, as not being good for Israel. I would like to remind you that during the Yom Kippur War, when EY was losing, Nixon authorized a massive airlift to resupply EY. There were hundreds of flights of gigantic C-5A Galaxy planes, which brought in tanks, artillery, ammunition, and other needed war materials. In addition, fighter jets were flown off the decks of aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean, as well as from bases in Europe, and the USA. The airlift had to fly from the state of Delaware through the Azores, since the European countries would not permit overflights. Nixon overuled Henry Kissinger, who initially, was against the airlift. The airlift turned the tide, against the Egyptians and the Syrians. Nixon was a good friend of Israel, and Golda Meir and him, had a genuine respect and admiration for each other.

Please read the book "The Prime Ministers" by Yehuda Avner. He was a speechwriter and aide to four Israeli Prime Ministers and sat in on many meetings with American presidents including Nixon and Reagan. You will see that none of them really liked Israel - they sent aid because of some sort of pressure.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 09:57 PM bgkelsen Says:

As a rav and attorney who signed the list I am offended at some of the comments made here. The suggestion that I am not a Yireh Shomayim or frum etc. is insulting. While reasonable minds can disagree on issues of substance the complete lack of Derech Eretz among some of the commentators here is a true Chilul Hashem and a bizayon. It is clear from merely reading these comments why Moshiach Tzidkeinu has not yet arrived and we still reside in Galus.

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 Aug 22, 2012 at 09:59 PM BGKelsen Says:

Reply to #48  
DITTO Says:

Ditto Ditto ! Everyone already expressed what I would have said. If those men or women are rabbis then I'm a monkey's uncle.

No comment, but would you care to see my klaf for Yoreh Yoreh and the one for Yadin Yadin?

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 Aug 23, 2012 at 09:28 AM Nachum Says:

To #'s 53 and 71- What difference did it make whether or not Nixon or Reagan loved EY? It is very important to look at a person's deeds, no matter what they are thinking or feeling. The fact of the matter is that the massive 1973 airlift, which went on for several weeks, involving hundreds of flights (authorized by Nixon), helped EY turn the tide against Egypt and Syria. The fighter jets and tanks, which were sent, were replacements for the ones which the IAF and IDF lost during the first 10 days of fighting. Former Prime Minister Golda Meir stated "For generations, all will be told of the massive planes from the United States, which mean life for our people".

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 Aug 23, 2012 at 12:25 PM BarDaas Says:

Reply to #20  
Sherry The Noahide Says:

That gets me thinking. I will start "Noahides For Obama."

איסור גילוי עריות is the fourth Noahide law. Enforcing the first 6 laws is the seventh law but Obama is for Gay Marriage so "Noahides For Obama" makes as much sense as "Hindus for rib beef steak".

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 02:40 PM rivka Says:

Reply to #74  
Nachum Says:

To #'s 53 and 71- What difference did it make whether or not Nixon or Reagan loved EY? It is very important to look at a person's deeds, no matter what they are thinking or feeling. The fact of the matter is that the massive 1973 airlift, which went on for several weeks, involving hundreds of flights (authorized by Nixon), helped EY turn the tide against Egypt and Syria. The fighter jets and tanks, which were sent, were replacements for the ones which the IAF and IDF lost during the first 10 days of fighting. Former Prime Minister Golda Meir stated "For generations, all will be told of the massive planes from the United States, which mean life for our people".

What you are saying is exactly my point!! Obama is the same as they were only has bad PR.- he has given more aid and ammunition to Israel, even though he may not really love us. So just like Nixon and Reagan, it should not matter what his inner feelings are, but rather what actions he has taken.

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