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Jerusalem - Councillor: No Gender Separation For Succos

Published on: September 27, 2012 09:08 AM
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An ultra orthadox Jewish man carrying wood to build a sukkah in the ultra orthadox neighborhood of Mea Sherim. Photo by Nati Shohat/Flash90.An ultra orthadox Jewish man carrying wood to build a sukkah in the ultra orthadox neighborhood of Mea Sherim. Photo by Nati Shohat/Flash90.

Jerusalem - As the capital readies for the week-long Succot holiday, Jerusalem activists are preparing for their annual battle over the sidewalks in the ultra- Orthodox neighborhood of Mea She’arim.

Some of the larger yeshivas and synagogues attempt to separate the streets and sidewalks by gender during the holiday’s traditional Beit Hashoeva parties – a move that activists say is illegal because sidewalks are public property.

City council member Rachel Azaria appealed to Jerusalem police on Monday, urging them to respond to her questions about preparations for Succot to avoid gender separation.

In a letter sent to police on Monday, Aviad Hacohen, representing Azaria, complained that the police had ignored their repeated queries about preparations for the coming holidays to avoid the barriers.

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Hacohen wanted to know what action the police are taking to avoid the “the unacceptable and illegal phenomenon of gender separation, illegal building, the illegal ushers and the violence against passersby on the streets, phenomenon that were witnessed by my clients over the past two years,” he wrote in the letter.

Deputy police spokeswoman Shlomit Bajshi said that police had not yet received Azaria’s letter, but that there were no special preparations in place for the neighborhood. “We will not allow disturbances and we will protect the rights of all citizens,” she said.

Bajshi said that the police would have an increased presence during the holiday, as they do for every holiday, though they had not received any intelligence about plans to build illegal barriers or hold illegal protests.

“I hope that we can depend on police,” Azaria said on Monday. “They got used to working with haredim, but now they need to enforce the law. The time has come for them to take responsibility.”

Azaria added that the police do not have a lot of room for interpretation, since the court ruling including specifics including prohibitions against the use of burlap sacks to create barriers.

“The court was very clear, [the police] can’t play around,” she said. If the gender separation persists, Azaria said she will head right back to the courts.

Last year, Azaria petitioned the High Court of Justice over the issue, which ruled that the barriers are illegal. Shortly afterwards, Mayor Nir Barkat fired Azaria from the Jerusalem coalition and stripped her of her assigned portfolios of early childhood education and community councils. A municipality spokeswoman said at the time that while it is opposed to gender separation, a member of the coalition cannot file a petition against the city, though Azaria dismissed the move as political infighting.


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 Sep 27, 2012 at 09:17 AM Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 09:53 AM ikleinit Says:

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Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

I hope that was sarcasm, I am usually fluent in most dialects.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:01 AM qazxc Says:

Reply to #1  
Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

Don't worry, it is just you. No one else was so interested in looking at things at which they shouldn't be looking no matter how modestly she is dresses, especially not the morning after yom kippur.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:27 AM hey_you_never_know Says:

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qazxc Says:

Don't worry, it is just you. No one else was so interested in looking at things at which they shouldn't be looking no matter how modestly she is dresses, especially not the morning after yom kippur.

Cut him some slack. Maybe he is not married or maybe not happily married...

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

Either your being sarcastic, or it's you.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM Flgroup Says:

The Mechitza's will be up in Mea Shearim for Simchas Beis H'shava, and to those anti-haredis who get sick just by looking at the Mechitzas, they could go someplace else and avoid Mea Shearim during Succos, if they can't avoid Mea Shearim they should see their Doctor and ask for a Prescription

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM Kleegerfinyaydem Says:

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qazxc Says:

Don't worry, it is just you. No one else was so interested in looking at things at which they shouldn't be looking no matter how modestly she is dresses, especially not the morning after yom kippur.

You don't have to look you just see it, mr. Liberal!! Btw I was in jerusalem 2 years ago the streets were awfully unצניעותדיג, so I don't know what gender separation they are talking.(if they refer to the toldos ahron kehila let them come to the satmer shuls in Williamsburg)

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM Anonymous Says:

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Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

Are you joking??? She is wearing sleeves and a skirt that comes down to her knees. She is totally tziniusdik. What are you kvetching about? The police have now clarified that they will arrest anyone who seeks to erect barriers on public streets and will immediately remove such barriers so lets see if they follow through. Barkat, who was elected with support from frum yidden and secular parties, will not submit to this meshugaas anymore and has told the police to "crack heads" if necessary to protect normal yidden against these fanatics.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

it's amazing that we have 5 comments here and nobody responded to title of this article!

VIN Would want us to rate pictures they would just post pictures and have us comment on them lol.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM markisgold Says:

She is dressed appropriately, but is on the wron

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 11:30 AM ALTERG Says:

Don't understand, does this stupid lady Azaria live in Mea She’arim? Does she want to go there for shopping? For what porpose she's coming? Did we go to her neigberhood to make provacations? Why not respecting a holy torah law in a place where 100% residence wants it & happy with it? Then you will say chareidim throwing stones,

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM shredready Says:

the question is will the police inforce it.

better they should ask nicely maybe then people will comply, but the way they are doing it , just pisses people off and they will go there on purpose

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 01:28 PM Female and proud of it! Says:

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Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

She is wearing a long skirt past her knees and a shirt that covers her elbows and is quite high (it shows her backside, so I cannot tell about the front). But from what I see- it is totally fine!

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 01:30 PM Anonymous Says:

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Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

I hate those barriers. Making one side of the sidewalk for men or women only causes lots of problems if you live in the area (or are staying by friends/relatives there). I lived there for a little bit and had trouble getting where I needed to go!
Also, if men can't handle women being on the street (legal according to city law and halacha) then they should never leave the beis medresh! (not even for dinner- how are the women to cook if they can't go grocery shopping?)

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 02:10 PM SandmanNY Says:

These types of discussions weary me. It makes us look so small minded, so obsessed, so controlling - and so down right not nice as a people. This type of enforced segregation on a public street is what makes people fearful of a chareidi form of Talibanism. And frankly - I agree.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 02:47 PM Anonymous Says:

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ALTERG Says:

Don't understand, does this stupid lady Azaria live in Mea She’arim? Does she want to go there for shopping? For what porpose she's coming? Did we go to her neigberhood to make provacations? Why not respecting a holy torah law in a place where 100% residence wants it & happy with it? Then you will say chareidim throwing stones,

Anytime we read anything with an "AlterG" tag, we know immediately we will be presented with some dark conspiracy theory about how frei yidden are purposely seeking to create a broigas. While you may not understand the concept of a public street, 99 percent of us do. She is entitled to walk ANYWHERE in Yerushalayim, incluidng Meah She'arim and not be told how to dress. If they want to withdraw from the municipality and provide all their own services and pay their own way like some towns have done, that is their right if they can obtain the needed approvals from the courts and government, In the meantime, anyone who bothers her should be thrown in jail (or stoned if that is the preferred option in your meshuga world).

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
ALTERG Says:

Don't understand, does this stupid lady Azaria live in Mea She’arim? Does she want to go there for shopping? For what porpose she's coming? Did we go to her neigberhood to make provacations? Why not respecting a holy torah law in a place where 100% residence wants it & happy with it? Then you will say chareidim throwing stones,

What is wrong with you?? She is dressed appropriately, and perhaps walking to a meeting or going to a friend's house. If you are at all familair with the city M'Shm is a convenient shortcut to and from many destinations and these are public streets. If you want your wife and daughters to live in a dark cave or have them forced to walk on one side of the street, move to some corner of Pakistan or Afghanistan but don't project your mehsugaas on normal yidden.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 05:33 PM ShmuelG Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Are you joking??? She is wearing sleeves and a skirt that comes down to her knees. She is totally tziniusdik. What are you kvetching about? The police have now clarified that they will arrest anyone who seeks to erect barriers on public streets and will immediately remove such barriers so lets see if they follow through. Barkat, who was elected with support from frum yidden and secular parties, will not submit to this meshugaas anymore and has told the police to "crack heads" if necessary to protect normal yidden against these fanatics.

You mean, her sleeves AND skirt come down to her knees? I didn't look at the picture... and now don't want to. :)

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:

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ShmuelG Says:

You mean, her sleeves AND skirt come down to her knees? I didn't look at the picture... and now don't want to. :)

Again, your snide and sexist comment reminds us of what a true misogynist you are. I would feel sorry for any baas yisroel who has to claim you as father or spouse.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 09:02 PM ShmuelG Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Again, your snide and sexist comment reminds us of what a true misogynist you are. I would feel sorry for any baas yisroel who has to claim you as father or spouse.

Maybe I would feel sorry for any baaaaaaaaaas too, but I don't know what it is.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 09:36 PM curious Says:

Reply to #11  
ALTERG Says:

Don't understand, does this stupid lady Azaria live in Mea She’arim? Does she want to go there for shopping? For what porpose she's coming? Did we go to her neigberhood to make provacations? Why not respecting a holy torah law in a place where 100% residence wants it & happy with it? Then you will say chareidim throwing stones,

What Torah Law? Quote a Possuk and a Rishon please.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM Anonymous Says:

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ShmuelG Says:

Maybe I would feel sorry for any baaaaaaaaaas too, but I don't know what it is.

Enough said. Hashem yarachem. We won't dignify your troll postings with further response.

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 Sep 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM rivka Says:

Reply to #1  
Yipyap Says:

Is it me, or is the girl in the background dressed inappropriatley? rabonoy shel oylem!

It's You.

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 Sep 28, 2012 at 12:17 AM Anonymous Says:

How do you build a sukah with one 2x4....see caption on photo in article

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 Sep 28, 2012 at 06:01 AM RobertS Says:

Reply to #11  
ALTERG Says:

Don't understand, does this stupid lady Azaria live in Mea She’arim? Does she want to go there for shopping? For what porpose she's coming? Did we go to her neigberhood to make provacations? Why not respecting a holy torah law in a place where 100% residence wants it & happy with it? Then you will say chareidim throwing stones,

The streets and sidewalks are public property paid for by taxes from both chillonim and daatiim (at least those who earn a living), even in Frum neighborhoods. Everybody has a right to go there. Don't like it? Then move the celebrations to private property or never leave your house

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 Sep 28, 2012 at 02:59 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

What is wrong with you?? She is dressed appropriately, and perhaps walking to a meeting or going to a friend's house. If you are at all familair with the city M'Shm is a convenient shortcut to and from many destinations and these are public streets. If you want your wife and daughters to live in a dark cave or have them forced to walk on one side of the street, move to some corner of Pakistan or Afghanistan but don't project your mehsugaas on normal yidden.

Don't you understand that alterg believes himself to be a "normal yid"? He wants everyone else to be as normal as he is. He doesn't want to move to Pakistan. He wants Pakistan to come to him. He speaks of "holy torah law", but he means the world as he would like to imagine it. The only good thing about alterg is that he is a minority. A minority not only to the entire Jewish world. A minority not only in the frum world. He is a minority within the chareidi world. He stands almost alone.

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