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November 3, 2012, Lindenhurst - Governor Cuomo surveys the destruction from Hurricane Sandy and gives comfort to the residents whose shoreside homes were destroyed.November 3, 2012, Lindenhurst - Governor Cuomo surveys the destruction from Hurricane Sandy and gives comfort to the residents whose shoreside homes were destroyed.

New York - NY Governor Andrew Cuomo ripped an Orthodox Monsey Rabbi, Rabbi Noson Leiter for making “offensive and disgraceful” comments that described Hurricane Sandy as divine payback for New York legalizing gay marriage.

In a press release the Gov. said, “The comments made by Rabbi Noson Leiter that sought to link the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy to our state’s embrace of marriage equality are as offensive as they are ignorant.

This catastrophic storm claimed the lives of more than forty New Yorkers. This kind of hateful rhetoric has no place in our public discourse, and is particularly distasteful in times of tragedy.

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Our state is proud to offer equal rights to all our citizens, and we will never tolerate the use of a tragedy like Hurricane Sandy to promote a divisive and bigoted agenda.

I call on Rabbi Leiter to apologize immediately for his hurtful comments.”


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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:14 PM Anonymous Says:

The orthodox community should be very concerned when rabbis make this sort of statement for it leads to embitterment and strife. G-d is not a god of anxiety. Just tribulation. Get the program to your children and teach them better.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:14 PM berelw Says:

what a chilul hashem from R leters part....our leaders or our rabbonim cant denounce this chilul hashem but no less our gov...i agree with the Governor, these statments should have no place coming from any dignified leader let alone a rabbi.

this has nothing to do regarding gay marriage which the torah call an abomination.
it has to do with calling a disaster were innocent people died. who the heck is he to decide why sandy came, what would he say chas veshoom if his wife or children were involved c"v...shameful!!!!

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:20 PM post4 Says:

If this Rabbi made this comment in a private speech for his people, I don't see what he did wrong, he might not be right, but for someone to make this public, is a bigger chilul hashem

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:24 PM kehati Says:

Before everyone writes in that they KNOW the storm was retribution for "Toeiva",, they should keep in mind R' Yannai in Perkei Avos (4-19) that it is not in our hands to explain the tranquility of reshaim and the tzoros of tzadikim

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:26 PM MistahKurtz Says:

Perhaps it's not such a bad thing if at least ONE Rabbi speaks his mind without concern for what the non-jews think.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:27 PM Kim Li Says:

Why is he blaming gay marriage? What about the primary reason for the Great Flood, which was theft!
The Torah says: "For the earth has become full of theft" (Bereishis 1:3), and the Talmud explains: "Their verdict was sealed only because of theft'' (Sanhedrin 108a quoted by Rashi on the passuk).

Secondly, if we are blaming corruption of the natural order, why pick on gay marriage? What about child molestation?

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:29 PM Debbie Says:

Rabbi Lieter should never has said what he said even if it was right. At the same time this is freedom of speech and Governor Cuomo should mix out. Rabbi Leiter never said people that died deserved it. All Rabbi Leiter was suggesting was a cause for the storm. Nobody really knows and everyone has to look at themselves where they can improve in daily life.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:37 PM jay Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

what a chilul hashem from R leters part....our leaders or our rabbonim cant denounce this chilul hashem but no less our gov...i agree with the Governor, these statments should have no place coming from any dignified leader let alone a rabbi.

this has nothing to do regarding gay marriage which the torah call an abomination.
it has to do with calling a disaster were innocent people died. who the heck is he to decide why sandy came, what would he say chas veshoom if his wife or children were involved c"v...shameful!!!!

I can see the point he mabey should not say it in public however not sure u understand the meaning of chilul hashem
Not always becuse u don't like a statment or action by another Jew
You have the right to call it chilul
Hashem if anything he might

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:52 PM Barryfrombrooklyn Says:

The women in our community caught a lucky break with the legalization of gay marriage. It use to be their skirts and Indian shaitels that got innocent people killed every now and then.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:56 PM Reb Yid Says:

Even though Rabbi Leiter should not have made those comments publically, we have to bear in mind that saying that something is punishment for gay marriage can't possibly be as bad as gay marriage itself.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:59 PM mugzy51 Says:

In response to Kim Li (6): actually, the Midrash says that one of the causes of the Mabul was that there were Kesubas written along with Mishkav Zachor, a euphanism for same gender marriage. The first thing you have to take into account is: nothing is happenstance. After you realize that 'events' are heaven made, and especially this event wasn't man made, then, and only then, can you begin to try to reflect as to why G-d would cause an event such as this.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 03:59 PM yaaak Says:

Reply to #6  
Kim Li Says:

Why is he blaming gay marriage? What about the primary reason for the Great Flood, which was theft!
The Torah says: "For the earth has become full of theft" (Bereishis 1:3), and the Talmud explains: "Their verdict was sealed only because of theft'' (Sanhedrin 108a quoted by Rashi on the passuk).

Secondly, if we are blaming corruption of the natural order, why pick on gay marriage? What about child molestation?

Well, that is one opinion, made famous by Rashi. Alternatively, Bereishit Rabba 26:9 tells us that it was exactly writing marriage contracts for males and animals which is what caused the flood.

I'm not condoning this being spoken publicly, but he does have a source - and a pretty valid one at that.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:05 PM Freedom of Speech. Says:

I personally find gay issues morally repulsive but I expect that even if I verbalized those feelings it would be protected as free speech. I also feel that it was insensitive and stupid for the Rabbi to make a big announcement, if he did.
I really think the Gov and Bloombum should focus on the disaster and aftermath of the storm and not infringe on free speech.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:07 PM Anonymous Says:

In this past week's parsha, Chazal tell us that Lot begged the malachim to save Sedom. As soon as the Sodomites ordered Lot to send out the malachim so they could sodomize them, that was when the malachim said it's all over, Sedom is done and "od mi licha po" - get out now.

We don't know Hashem's ways, but I suspect this Rabbi is correct.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:09 PM mommy Says:

Im not surprised the the Governor is upset, since he "okayed" same gender marriage. What about the outcry of the rabbis when the gov signed those papers???

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:14 PM myownopinion Says:

Child molestation is considered mushkav zachor too (over 9 according to all shitos). maybe he is right, but where is he when molestors are defended?

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:20 PM Anonymous Says:

We frum people believe in what Chazal teach us. Passing a law legalizing such behavior brings catastrophes. Even though frum neighborhoods were hit as well, that does not dispute the chazal. Once there is destruction it does not differentiate one neighborhood from another. Scared to think what else is coming!

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:22 PM Monsey Yid Says:

I personally know this Leiter guy interesting character to say the least. He is no Rabbi maybe self appointed. I still remember when he was at war agaisnt Ryan Karben.
That's the problem today. Every leidak that claims to be learning in kolel today call himself a "Rabbi".

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:25 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Monsey was hit 3 times in the past 15 month 2 hurricans and 1 NoEasterner. No other community was hit so much. So what this means
Rabbi?? There is more Miskav Zochor in Monsey that the rest of the frumme communities?
?

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

In this past week's parsha, Chazal tell us that Lot begged the malachim to save Sedom. As soon as the Sodomites ordered Lot to send out the malachim so they could sodomize them, that was when the malachim said it's all over, Sedom is done and "od mi licha po" - get out now.

We don't know Hashem's ways, but I suspect this Rabbi is correct.

Using your logic, this storm could have been prevented if you offered your daughters to be abused by the mob in lieu of gay marriage. One should be very careful about drawing analogies from Torah events that occurred long ago in very different societies.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:36 PM headsup Says:

these types of speeches to inspire the oilam to teshuva is fine, if it's something that is being suggested as a possibility for the storm.
Many rabbonim and mashgichim have offered reasons as per their daas torah - in private forums to their talmidim. Some said it was due to incorrect speech, living beyond our gevulim, zenus and gambling (it all started in AC), or to show Mr. Baal Gaava Bloomers that he's in not in control of health (metzitzah b'peh) - v'horaya, his hospitals (NYU & Bellevue) couldn't take care of the patients! So, who's really in control of health?!
But it was all done to ma'aminim, to mevakshei ho'emes. Certainly, as ma'aminim we believe that everything done was Yad Hashem. and, there was a reason each person received what he did - maybe retribution for a previous gilgul, who knows? But how can "ah finsterer goy" or a "chazzer-fresser" like Mr. Bloomers, or any baal-gaavah accept that it was from Above?
So, we need to keep these things as suggestions for hisorerus - and in private.

22

 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:40 PM FrumJew Says:

Actually, tragedies occur due to the Jewish people. HaShem doesn't intervene with the non-Jews except for theft (which destroys the social order).

23

 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:42 PM curious Says:

Tell me Leiter, why was Jersey punished? They don't allow it. Once there are two different reasons, neither are valid.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:44 PM Anonymous Says:

It was SEALED bc of theft, but chazal tell us that immorality and idol worship were the primary reasons for the Flood.
It's an open pasuk, "כי השחית כל בשר את דרכו על הארץ״. Look in rashi.

We may not know precisely what hashems cheshbonos are, but the Torah certainly gives us a broad understanding, and legalizing sodomy is as bad as it gets.
Our perspectives are so warped that our "leader", gov cuomo, calls a rabbi "ignorant and offensive", and we cheer from the sidelines.
What did the Rabbi do? He echoed gods words that male--/male fornication is "hateful and offensive".
But we see him as the bad guy.
Stop kowtowing to the secular worlds perverted perspective-it affects us more than we can admit.

25

 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:51 PM a-simple-jew Says:

Reply to #6  
Kim Li Says:

Why is he blaming gay marriage? What about the primary reason for the Great Flood, which was theft!
The Torah says: "For the earth has become full of theft" (Bereishis 1:3), and the Talmud explains: "Their verdict was sealed only because of theft'' (Sanhedrin 108a quoted by Rashi on the passuk).

Secondly, if we are blaming corruption of the natural order, why pick on gay marriage? What about child molestation?

Good point. Kim Li knows his (or her) Tanch!

26

 Nov 05, 2012 at 04:56 PM Dwight_Schrute Says:

Maybe this Rabbi knows when Moshiach is coming?

27

 Nov 05, 2012 at 05:01 PM LEEAVE Says:

Reply to #22  
FrumJew Says:

Actually, tragedies occur due to the Jewish people. HaShem doesn't intervene with the non-Jews except for theft (which destroys the social order).

have u ever hear about something called the MAABIL? (parshas noach)
i assume u have no clue,,

28

 Nov 05, 2012 at 05:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Tell me Rabbi Lieter; my wife will have a boy or a girl? why do i struggle with parnusa? I really have lots of question for u to ask Hashem, what's ur email address?

29

 Nov 05, 2012 at 05:15 PM rationalman Says:

ask people that learned by Rav Hutner about his attitude towards people that made comments as to why hashem did or did not do something......let us just say he was not very fond of it

30

 Nov 05, 2012 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
curious Says:

Tell me Leiter, why was Jersey punished? They don't allow it. Once there are two different reasons, neither are valid.

they also voted for toaivah supporters.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 05:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Such deflection by the governor. So someone made a comment? Big deal. Hundreds of thousands of people made comments.

There is no question that the approval of gay marriages is terrible from a moral standpoint. The question is if this was the cause of the hurricane. He can't know that positively, even though rash I tells us by the mabul that one of the reasons was because people stated writing homosexual marriage contracts.

This is clearly just the governor trying to deflect significant other criticism that he has no answer for either.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 05:36 PM Howard Says:

Reply to #22  
FrumJew Says:

Actually, tragedies occur due to the Jewish people. HaShem doesn't intervene with the non-Jews except for theft (which destroys the social order).

It always infuriates me when frum Jews take a statement by a rav or even a statement by a rav that's seconded by another rav, and ignore anything in the vast body of rabbinic literature that may contradict that statement. The perfect example of this is the notion that Hashem doesn't intervene with non-Jews or diesn't really give a hoot. This is NOT found in Chumash or Neviim or Ketuvim or the Mishnah. It's quite a repulsive and illogical thing to believe that a merciful G-d only concerns Himself with a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the world's population. Does that mean non-Jews may as well not believe in G-d or pray to Him, since according to you He couldn't care less about them? The whole point of Hashem giving the Torah to Jews was so that they might be light unto the nations. What's the point of being a light unto the nations if Hashem doesn't concern Himself with them?

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 05:48 PM Yechi Says:

Who is this guy?

Today to receive semiecha , all you need to know is very little, and have a big black hat.
The title is cheaper than heering.
how dare he suggests he knows the works of the creator.

How would he like to be one of the homeless, cold , people

34

 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:05 PM Shame on the Governor Says:

1) The fact is that Rabbi Leiter shlita made his remarks on a small Christian radio network far from New York, out in the midwest. What happened then was that certain liberals, wanting to score points by beating up on religious people, publicized it far and wide. So the liberals actually are the ones to blame if you think it should not have been widely publicized.

2) Andrew Cuomo has no standing to lecture us on morality. He lives openly with a woman he is not married to and twisted arms to get the deviant 'marriage' law passed. He is trying to score political points by beating up on this rabbi (and by implication traditionally religious people in general). Shame on him. Has he never heard of freedom of religion and freedom of speech?

Cuomo should be removed from office, along with with Bloomberg, and others who worked with them to deviance to New York, which brought about heavenly wrath.

35

 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:09 PM SHEPSEL Says:

The Rabbi is 100% correct. Benei Noach are Mitzivah on Z'nus, the Mobel was caused by Ki Hishchis Kol Busur Es Darko. Rashi asserts that "wherever you find lewdness, punishment of an indiscriminate character comes upon the world killing good and bad alike." In other words, when the ethics of sexual boundaries are broken, the floodgates of divine wrath are unleashed upon the world. Hashem gave boundaries to the waters till where they should come, if humans break their boundaries by committing Z'nus, the waters break their boundaries too.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:12 PM J-R-S Says:

Reply to #3  
post4 Says:

If this Rabbi made this comment in a private speech for his people, I don't see what he did wrong, he might not be right, but for someone to make this public, is a bigger chilul hashem

" If this Rabbi made this comment in a private speech for his people, I don't see what he did wrong, he might not be right"

Oh, you don't see it? Try a little harder. Rabbis do not have to be infallible, but they do have an implicit obligation not to teach others things that are clearly stupid & wrongheaded. That's why they're rabbis---teachers.

"Private speech" is almost a paradox; what you probably meant is "...if he said it to frum people only...".
But that's not good enough. Statements such as he made are ridiculous regardless of who is in the audience---how dare he presume to say what HKB"H's reasons were for causing innocent people, incl. children to die in this storm? Teachers like this we do not need.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:23 PM DoctorD Says:

Rashi states that the mabul came even though not all of Earth's inhabitants were equal sinners. Furthermore, punishment comes when a simple majority deserves it!! The fact that some of the victims were innocent doesn't at all disprove R' Leiter's statement.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:26 PM commonsense99 Says:

Reply to #33  
Yechi Says:

Who is this guy?

Today to receive semiecha , all you need to know is very little, and have a big black hat.
The title is cheaper than heering.
how dare he suggests he knows the works of the creator.

How would he like to be one of the homeless, cold , people

This guy a borderline retard with no life, he drools when he talk and you cant have a normal conversation with him. He fits into shomer shabbos with the rest of the lost souls. Your giving him to much credit. Nathaiel yes that is ur legal name please take your meds

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Fact is the Rabbi is on target. I wish others had guts like him.

40

 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:27 PM Noach Ish tzadik Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

what a chilul hashem from R leters part....our leaders or our rabbonim cant denounce this chilul hashem but no less our gov...i agree with the Governor, these statments should have no place coming from any dignified leader let alone a rabbi.

this has nothing to do regarding gay marriage which the torah call an abomination.
it has to do with calling a disaster were innocent people died. who the heck is he to decide why sandy came, what would he say chas veshoom if his wife or children were involved c"v...shameful!!!!

You sound just like th e people in dor hamabil, Its just A coincidence! Ha?? Start making a cheshbon hanefesh and stop supporting schmutz!!

41

 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Howard Says:

It always infuriates me when frum Jews take a statement by a rav or even a statement by a rav that's seconded by another rav, and ignore anything in the vast body of rabbinic literature that may contradict that statement. The perfect example of this is the notion that Hashem doesn't intervene with non-Jews or diesn't really give a hoot. This is NOT found in Chumash or Neviim or Ketuvim or the Mishnah. It's quite a repulsive and illogical thing to believe that a merciful G-d only concerns Himself with a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the world's population. Does that mean non-Jews may as well not believe in G-d or pray to Him, since according to you He couldn't care less about them? The whole point of Hashem giving the Torah to Jews was so that they might be light unto the nations. What's the point of being a light unto the nations if Hashem doesn't concern Himself with them?

Well said! I always think precisely the same thought when I hear such statements. Such thinking is not only offensive, it's implausible: say someone was megayer at age 34. Until then, their lives were inconsequential & left to chance, then, on the day they're megayer, Hashem suddenly gets busy supervising every second of their life? It's juvenile.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

Such deflection by the governor. So someone made a comment? Big deal. Hundreds of thousands of people made comments.

There is no question that the approval of gay marriages is terrible from a moral standpoint. The question is if this was the cause of the hurricane. He can't know that positively, even though rash I tells us by the mabul that one of the reasons was because people stated writing homosexual marriage contracts.

This is clearly just the governor trying to deflect significant other criticism that he has no answer for either.

"This is clearly just the governor trying to deflect significant other criticism that he has no answer for either. ”

Yes, clearly.
Whenever a rabbi who should know better does something wrong in public, embarassing all frum people, it's really a goyish plot for their own selfish purposes.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
post4 Says:

If this Rabbi made this comment in a private speech for his people, I don't see what he did wrong, he might not be right, but for someone to make this public, is a bigger chilul hashem

It was obviously not in a private speech, but even if it were, if you don't see what is wrong with it you are a bigger idiot than he is.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
MistahKurtz Says:

Perhaps it's not such a bad thing if at least ONE Rabbi speaks his mind without concern for what the non-jews think.

MistahKurtz Says:“ Perhaps it's not such a bad thing if at least ONE Rabbi speaks his mind without concern for what the non-jews think. ”

Maybe not, but he should be concerned for what the frum community thinks.

While I am personally opposed to gay marriage, this idiot leiter does NOT speak for me or the rest of the frum community, and if he is stating his opinion, then he should identify it as his opinion, not the opinion of all Jews that Sandy was caused by this, which as an aside, he has no possible way of knowing.
\
His ignorance is embarrassing to the rest of us, and makes it difficult to claim anti-semitism when people get disgusted with religious Jews.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 06:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
mugzy51 Says:

In response to Kim Li (6): actually, the Midrash says that one of the causes of the Mabul was that there were Kesubas written along with Mishkav Zachor, a euphanism for same gender marriage. The first thing you have to take into account is: nothing is happenstance. After you realize that 'events' are heaven made, and especially this event wasn't man made, then, and only then, can you begin to try to reflect as to why G-d would cause an event such as this.

reflect all you want, you still won't know why Gd did anything he did, and you have no right to claim that you do have that knowledge, like that idiot Leiter did.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:22 PM Kim Li Says:

I have read all the first 45 comments and I still haven't found any answers to my questions:
(a) Why do our modern-day "nevi'im," who claim to know why Hashem brought the hurricane, pick on gay marriage and not on theft? Chazal identify both as causes of the mabul.
(b) If the reason is promiscuous/homosexual behavior, why isn't any blame being put on child molesters?After all, they engage in that very same type of behavior! Furthermore, they practice it on defenseless children. Furthermore, they do it in our communities. And it's not only the molesters themselves; anyone who could have stopped them but failed to do so -- and certainly those who cover up for them -- are just as guilty.

For the record, I believe that everything happens for a reason. But no one in our generation knows for sure what the reason is. Each individual that was affected by the storm must make his own cheshbon hanefesh on where he can improve. The same goes for each community at the communal level.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
headsup Says:

these types of speeches to inspire the oilam to teshuva is fine, if it's something that is being suggested as a possibility for the storm.
Many rabbonim and mashgichim have offered reasons as per their daas torah - in private forums to their talmidim. Some said it was due to incorrect speech, living beyond our gevulim, zenus and gambling (it all started in AC), or to show Mr. Baal Gaava Bloomers that he's in not in control of health (metzitzah b'peh) - v'horaya, his hospitals (NYU & Bellevue) couldn't take care of the patients! So, who's really in control of health?!
But it was all done to ma'aminim, to mevakshei ho'emes. Certainly, as ma'aminim we believe that everything done was Yad Hashem. and, there was a reason each person received what he did - maybe retribution for a previous gilgul, who knows? But how can "ah finsterer goy" or a "chazzer-fresser" like Mr. Bloomers, or any baal-gaavah accept that it was from Above?
So, we need to keep these things as suggestions for hisorerus - and in private.

what is wrong with you? do you think that whispering this stupidity makes it any better? Why would we get hit for what a gentile state government voted to do? why should the other "innocent" states? why NJ worse than NY?

What incredible gyvah to think you can explain Gd's intentions! This is not, as you claim, da'as Torah, it is da'as shtuss from idiots to idiots. Any Rabbi assuming he can explain Gd's actions in public or in private is an ignoramus, and any talmidim who believe it are even bigger ignorami.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:36 PM Anonymous Says:

How do you know that the hurricane wasn't punishment for the activities of the pedophile rabbis in Brooklyn?

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

It was SEALED bc of theft, but chazal tell us that immorality and idol worship were the primary reasons for the Flood.
It's an open pasuk, "כי השחית כל בשר את דרכו על הארץ״. Look in rashi.

We may not know precisely what hashems cheshbonos are, but the Torah certainly gives us a broad understanding, and legalizing sodomy is as bad as it gets.
Our perspectives are so warped that our "leader", gov cuomo, calls a rabbi "ignorant and offensive", and we cheer from the sidelines.
What did the Rabbi do? He echoed gods words that male--/male fornication is "hateful and offensive".
But we see him as the bad guy.
Stop kowtowing to the secular worlds perverted perspective-it affects us more than we can admit.

You are an am oretz of the highest order to deduce that the Rabbi echoed Gd's words. Your claim is an incredible insult to the greatness of Gd by telling people that Gd is the author of Rabbi(?) Leiter's donkey braying.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
LEEAVE Says:

have u ever hear about something called the MAABIL? (parshas noach)
i assume u have no clue,,

I assume you were home-schooled....

51

 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Shame on the Governor Says:

1) The fact is that Rabbi Leiter shlita made his remarks on a small Christian radio network far from New York, out in the midwest. What happened then was that certain liberals, wanting to score points by beating up on religious people, publicized it far and wide. So the liberals actually are the ones to blame if you think it should not have been widely publicized.

2) Andrew Cuomo has no standing to lecture us on morality. He lives openly with a woman he is not married to and twisted arms to get the deviant 'marriage' law passed. He is trying to score political points by beating up on this rabbi (and by implication traditionally religious people in general). Shame on him. Has he never heard of freedom of religion and freedom of speech?

Cuomo should be removed from office, along with with Bloomberg, and others who worked with them to deviance to New York, which brought about heavenly wrath.

what an incredibly foolish comment, wrong on so many levels...

the liberals are to blame for an allegedly frum Jew stating he knows Gd's thoughts?

And Cuomo has to answer to you about his personal life? why? do you answer to him?

The freedoms you speak of such as freedom of religion give you the right to practice your religion, not to force it on others, especially those of other religions.

It is a shame that Cuomo turns out to be more correct than frum-looking, clueless Jews and their apologists like you.

And who are you to demand that Cuomo and Bloomberg be removed from office? on what grounds? that you don't like what they did?

idiot!

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Noach Ish tzadik Says:

You sound just like th e people in dor hamabil, Its just A coincidence! Ha?? Start making a cheshbon hanefesh and stop supporting schmutz!!

Since you believe you remember what the dor hamabul sounded like, your belief in this lunatic is not so far-fetched.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 09:54 PM EitzaTova Says:

One thing for sure. If Sandy wasn't retribution for legalizing to'evah marriage then there definitely will be some in the future.

You can't say you believe in Hashem and then say that this gross violation of humanity will go unpunished.
Let's not kid ourselves and believe otherwise.

Regardless, we all have to do our own introspection and change ourselves.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Using your logic, this storm could have been prevented if you offered your daughters to be abused by the mob in lieu of gay marriage. One should be very careful about drawing analogies from Torah events that occurred long ago in very different societies.

The ever-so-slight flaw in that line of reasoning is that homosexual intercourse is abominable to G-d, whereas offering one's daughters to a mob is not otherwise perceived to be a good thing. So your analogy makes no sense.

Again, it is clear from Chazal that only once these supremely wicked people, already deserving of destruction, took the additional step of insisting on sodomizing these guests, that this is what sealed their fate. Ergo, it's a very bad idea for any society to "normalize" and legalize this toeiva, no matter how righteous they may or may not otherwise be.

Shlomo Hamelech said that there is a time for all things, and I don't know if this was the time for this Rabbi to publicly pronounce this opinion, as we are anyways not neviim. But we do believe in the truth of Chazal's words, and it's pretty clear...

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 10:31 PM Governor repent from your evil ways as the King of Nineveh did Says:

Just like in the times of Tanach, when the neviim gave musar they were attacked by leitzim (scoffers) and reshaim, so too are people attacking Rabbi Leiter shlito today. He should not be silenced by them and should continue to speak the truth. Truth to power, even if it makes some people uncomfortable.

Chazak Rabbi Leiter!

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Kim Li Says:

I have read all the first 45 comments and I still haven't found any answers to my questions:
(a) Why do our modern-day "nevi'im," who claim to know why Hashem brought the hurricane, pick on gay marriage and not on theft? Chazal identify both as causes of the mabul.
(b) If the reason is promiscuous/homosexual behavior, why isn't any blame being put on child molesters?After all, they engage in that very same type of behavior! Furthermore, they practice it on defenseless children. Furthermore, they do it in our communities. And it's not only the molesters themselves; anyone who could have stopped them but failed to do so -- and certainly those who cover up for them -- are just as guilty.

For the record, I believe that everything happens for a reason. But no one in our generation knows for sure what the reason is. Each individual that was affected by the storm must make his own cheshbon hanefesh on where he can improve. The same goes for each community at the communal level.

a) Ayein Rashi and B"R on Bireishis 19:5
b) Obviously nobody knows for sure why Hashem did what he did. But considering most people are clueless about molesters, R"L L"A, whereas society as a whole has "embraced" mishkav zachar, it's pretty obvious which is greater in its scope.

Hashem obviously has His own scales and measurements, but legalizing the fraud of gay "marriage" on a societal (macro) level seems far, far worse than "the molesters" on a much smaller (micro) level.

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 10:36 PM scmaness Says:

Reply to #11  
mugzy51 Says:

In response to Kim Li (6): actually, the Midrash says that one of the causes of the Mabul was that there were Kesubas written along with Mishkav Zachor, a euphanism for same gender marriage. The first thing you have to take into account is: nothing is happenstance. After you realize that 'events' are heaven made, and especially this event wasn't man made, then, and only then, can you begin to try to reflect as to why G-d would cause an event such as this.

my son was listening to the radio before hurriacane karita and there was a huge gathering of gays,there was suppose to had been a gay fesitva land new orlearns had a 70% crime rate,so then the floodcame

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 Nov 05, 2012 at 10:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

what is wrong with you? do you think that whispering this stupidity makes it any better? Why would we get hit for what a gentile state government voted to do? why should the other "innocent" states? why NJ worse than NY?

What incredible gyvah to think you can explain Gd's intentions! This is not, as you claim, da'as Torah, it is da'as shtuss from idiots to idiots. Any Rabbi assuming he can explain Gd's actions in public or in private is an ignoramus, and any talmidim who believe it are even bigger ignorami.

Chazal tell us that even a blade of grass won't grow unless Hashem looks after it and allows it. So there is no chance that this super-storm, at high tide, etc. was a "happenstance". Now that we have established the basics, the question is what was the cause for this. We don't know because we are not neviim. But Chazal do give us clues that MIGHT explain it. To proclaim to definitively know is incorrect, unless one is a navi. But to attempt to grapple with it seems perfectly legit.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 12:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
Governor repent from your evil ways as the King of Nineveh did Says:

Just like in the times of Tanach, when the neviim gave musar they were attacked by leitzim (scoffers) and reshaim, so too are people attacking Rabbi Leiter shlito today. He should not be silenced by them and should continue to speak the truth. Truth to power, even if it makes some people uncomfortable.

Chazak Rabbi Leiter!

it is a terrible thing to hear Jews talk about mussar or the T'nach and still be as ignorant as you.

For the record, this alleged Rabbi, Leiter, is an idiot, since legalizing same-sex marriage does not in any way violate halacha, it was simply a legislative action.

There is no halacha preventing goyim from making civil laws, even if those laws violate halacha. Allowing stores to do business on Shabbos violates halacha but there is nothing wrong with goyim passing such laws.

If the claim is that same-sex sex is a violation of the Torah, that is true, but Cuomo did not have same-sex sex (so far as we know). Cuomo authorized civil unions to be called marriages, which we Jews do not recognize anyway. so why would that cause Storm Sandy, even in deranged minds like Leiter's?

So if Leiter were correct, the storm would have come when same-sex couples were having relations, not when civil (non-Jewish) law said it's okay to get a certificate at city hall, which does/did not increase or decrease the amount of illicit relations which happened before and after the law passed.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 12:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #56  
Anonymous Says:

a) Ayein Rashi and B"R on Bireishis 19:5
b) Obviously nobody knows for sure why Hashem did what he did. But considering most people are clueless about molesters, R"L L"A, whereas society as a whole has "embraced" mishkav zachar, it's pretty obvious which is greater in its scope.

Hashem obviously has His own scales and measurements, but legalizing the fraud of gay "marriage" on a societal (macro) level seems far, far worse than "the molesters" on a much smaller (micro) level.

Your attempt to sound educated just makes you sound like a comedy sketch, considering that you string together words that don't make any sense when put together.

And by the way, if you think that consenting adults having the fraud, as you put it, of same-sex relations is "obviously" greater in scope (whatever you think that means) and "far, far worse" than molesting innocent children, then you are clearly mentally defective and have no idea of morality, ethics, or even simply right from wrong. You are obviously an incredible idiot to make that statement.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 12:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

Chazal tell us that even a blade of grass won't grow unless Hashem looks after it and allows it. So there is no chance that this super-storm, at high tide, etc. was a "happenstance". Now that we have established the basics, the question is what was the cause for this. We don't know because we are not neviim. But Chazal do give us clues that MIGHT explain it. To proclaim to definitively know is incorrect, unless one is a navi. But to attempt to grapple with it seems perfectly legit.

You have not established any basics, as you claim. you just offer your simple-minded opinion. That is far from making that opinion a fact.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 02:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

it is a terrible thing to hear Jews talk about mussar or the T'nach and still be as ignorant as you.

For the record, this alleged Rabbi, Leiter, is an idiot, since legalizing same-sex marriage does not in any way violate halacha, it was simply a legislative action.

There is no halacha preventing goyim from making civil laws, even if those laws violate halacha. Allowing stores to do business on Shabbos violates halacha but there is nothing wrong with goyim passing such laws.

If the claim is that same-sex sex is a violation of the Torah, that is true, but Cuomo did not have same-sex sex (so far as we know). Cuomo authorized civil unions to be called marriages, which we Jews do not recognize anyway. so why would that cause Storm Sandy, even in deranged minds like Leiter's?

So if Leiter were correct, the storm would have come when same-sex couples were having relations, not when civil (non-Jewish) law said it's okay to get a certificate at city hall, which does/did not increase or decrease the amount of illicit relations which happened before and after the law passed.

Look in "Chulin Daf 92" where it clearly says that the bnei noach took upon 30 thinks but only 3 they kept and the first one is that they took upon themselves not to give a "Ksibah" for gay marriage".

It does not say that they took upon themselves not to do Mishkav Zachor.
It says that they took upon themselves not to give a Ksibah.
You can see the same in Medrosh as mentioned in other comments.

And this is exactly what they did in NY (I don't know about NJ), they legalized it.
This is what Chazal say.

We as frum yiden should've come out against it, NOT to try to stop it and protest every day. Just protest once to do our duty to show that we as Torah Yiden are against it and what our sages warned can happen if we do otherwise.

If we would've done that, we wouldn't need the rabbis speech, they themselves would've said "the Torah Jews were right"

let me finish by saying that name calling and other demeaning comments doesn't make your point stronger (arguing is OK but in human and torah way).

Good Night and Beseros Tovois

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 03:20 AM RalphWaldoEmerson Says:

Reply to #13  
Freedom of Speech. Says:

I personally find gay issues morally repulsive but I expect that even if I verbalized those feelings it would be protected as free speech. I also feel that it was insensitive and stupid for the Rabbi to make a big announcement, if he did.
I really think the Gov and Bloombum should focus on the disaster and aftermath of the storm and not infringe on free speech.

You don't find homosexuality MORALLY repulsive, you find it repulsive. Be careful not to confuse homophobia with holiness

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 03:22 AM ralphwaldoemerson Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

it is a terrible thing to hear Jews talk about mussar or the T'nach and still be as ignorant as you.

For the record, this alleged Rabbi, Leiter, is an idiot, since legalizing same-sex marriage does not in any way violate halacha, it was simply a legislative action.

There is no halacha preventing goyim from making civil laws, even if those laws violate halacha. Allowing stores to do business on Shabbos violates halacha but there is nothing wrong with goyim passing such laws.

If the claim is that same-sex sex is a violation of the Torah, that is true, but Cuomo did not have same-sex sex (so far as we know). Cuomo authorized civil unions to be called marriages, which we Jews do not recognize anyway. so why would that cause Storm Sandy, even in deranged minds like Leiter's?

So if Leiter were correct, the storm would have come when same-sex couples were having relations, not when civil (non-Jewish) law said it's okay to get a certificate at city hall, which does/did not increase or decrease the amount of illicit relations which happened before and after the law passed.

about time some explained it simply and eloquently thank you

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 03:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
EitzaTova Says:

One thing for sure. If Sandy wasn't retribution for legalizing to'evah marriage then there definitely will be some in the future.

You can't say you believe in Hashem and then say that this gross violation of humanity will go unpunished.
Let's not kid ourselves and believe otherwise.

Regardless, we all have to do our own introspection and change ourselves.

sorry dude mass murder is a "gross violation of humanity" not people doing something completely harmless

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 03:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Well said! I always think precisely the same thought when I hear such statements. Such thinking is not only offensive, it's implausible: say someone was megayer at age 34. Until then, their lives were inconsequential & left to chance, then, on the day they're megayer, Hashem suddenly gets busy supervising every second of their life? It's juvenile.

it seems you are not aware of your surroundings regardless of whether you are correct your writing on a jewish blog and directly contradicting one of the basic tenets of the jewish religion

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 07:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

Your attempt to sound educated just makes you sound like a comedy sketch, considering that you string together words that don't make any sense when put together.

And by the way, if you think that consenting adults having the fraud, as you put it, of same-sex relations is "obviously" greater in scope (whatever you think that means) and "far, far worse" than molesting innocent children, then you are clearly mentally defective and have no idea of morality, ethics, or even simply right from wrong. You are obviously an incredible idiot to make that statement.

Your ad hominem attacks don't do you any favors...

Again, however many molesters there may be, and however terrible their deeds are (no question about it), nothing can compare to the destruction of society as a whole and its basic moral fabric which is what legalizing and normalizing toeiva accomplishes.

The fraud is not that "gay couples" are living together or that they "love" each other. To each his own (in the privacy of their own home, mutual consent, etc.) But to legalize this toeiva and normalize it as marriage is a breathtaking fraud, in addition to destroying society's moral fabric.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 08:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

You have not established any basics, as you claim. you just offer your simple-minded opinion. That is far from making that opinion a fact.

No, I quoted Chazal. There's a difference between quoting Chazal, and expressing an opinion (which I did at the very end of that post), in case that wasn't evident to you.

But speaking of simple-minded opinions, are you really asserting that this storm, with its awesome destructive power from a rare and bizzare combination of weather systems, was a mere happenstance and not direct hashgacha from Hashem?

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 08:46 AM Kzetnick Says:

Reply to #40  
Noach Ish tzadik Says:

You sound just like th e people in dor hamabil, Its just A coincidence! Ha?? Start making a cheshbon hanefesh and stop supporting schmutz!!

Mr. Adelson has a large income from prostitution in Macao, is this clean money ,and biggest supporter of Newt Gingrich and
Romney. You are right prostitution in your mind is not schmutz, correct

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 09:18 AM Israelnow Says:

Reply to #4  
kehati Says:

Before everyone writes in that they KNOW the storm was retribution for "Toeiva",, they should keep in mind R' Yannai in Perkei Avos (4-19) that it is not in our hands to explain the tranquility of reshaim and the tzoros of tzadikim

I believe Rabbi Yannai was talking about in Eretz Yisrael,as Toeivot cannot be tolerated here in Israel. The rabbi -if he lives in America -should first himself the obvious -why has he slapped G-d in the face , built a home or Yeshiva in exile and rejected the Land of israel. maybe that was G-ds message to all those who thought they can be powerful and comfortable in the 'great goldeneh medinah' and in nice homes on the beach in exile. Shame on the Rabbi and maybe shame on all those who have rejected Israel and preferred ivory towers (now waterlogged) in USA.
I wish all those who suffered a speedy recovery and may everyone return to israel. Home !

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 09:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
EitzaTova Says:

One thing for sure. If Sandy wasn't retribution for legalizing to'evah marriage then there definitely will be some in the future.

You can't say you believe in Hashem and then say that this gross violation of humanity will go unpunished.
Let's not kid ourselves and believe otherwise.

Regardless, we all have to do our own introspection and change ourselves.

Did you ever consider that it has nothing to do with Toeivot?. The more obvious reason or at least another very serious possibility is rejection of Israel and religious people thinking they can build huge homes and big businesses in exile when G-d has gifted Am Yisrael with Eretz Yisrael. It seems clear to me although im no prophet. One thing is for certain - simply taking insurance money and rebuilding as though nothing happened or as though Hashem isnt sending a powerful message is foolish.
Can you all imagine if another 50,000 or 100,000 or 250,000 religious Jews came to israel -how that could change the life and politics and dynamics of this country and maybe even bring Mashiach. Its time to come home -Jews of America !!!!

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 12:06 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

it is a terrible thing to hear Jews talk about mussar or the T'nach and still be as ignorant as you.

For the record, this alleged Rabbi, Leiter, is an idiot, since legalizing same-sex marriage does not in any way violate halacha, it was simply a legislative action.

There is no halacha preventing goyim from making civil laws, even if those laws violate halacha. Allowing stores to do business on Shabbos violates halacha but there is nothing wrong with goyim passing such laws.

If the claim is that same-sex sex is a violation of the Torah, that is true, but Cuomo did not have same-sex sex (so far as we know). Cuomo authorized civil unions to be called marriages, which we Jews do not recognize anyway. so why would that cause Storm Sandy, even in deranged minds like Leiter's?

So if Leiter were correct, the storm would have come when same-sex couples were having relations, not when civil (non-Jewish) law said it's okay to get a certificate at city hall, which does/did not increase or decrease the amount of illicit relations which happened before and after the law passed.

Kol Hapoisel B'momo Poisel. You may be an idiot, not Leiter. Leiter accomplished a lot of good to make people aware esp. the Governor that huricaines come from not just being Gay, but having the Chutzpa to write marriage contracts. You are obviously are not a learned person. Chazal say the flood of Noah came from the fact that the gays wrote marriage contracts amongst each other. The fact that they were Gay only merited a punishment in the next world, but the contracts brought forth G-d's wrath on e/o to destroy e/o because they allowed it. In other words Gov. aren't allowed to let Gays have legal/financial marriages. You and the posters like you should go back to sleep, but don't forget to vote today for the dems/libs.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 12:12 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #71  
Anonymous Says:

Did you ever consider that it has nothing to do with Toeivot?. The more obvious reason or at least another very serious possibility is rejection of Israel and religious people thinking they can build huge homes and big businesses in exile when G-d has gifted Am Yisrael with Eretz Yisrael. It seems clear to me although im no prophet. One thing is for certain - simply taking insurance money and rebuilding as though nothing happened or as though Hashem isnt sending a powerful message is foolish.
Can you all imagine if another 50,000 or 100,000 or 250,000 religious Jews came to israel -how that could change the life and politics and dynamics of this country and maybe even bring Mashiach. Its time to come home -Jews of America !!!!

Excuse me -there isn't any flaunting of wealth is Israel? Yes, Israel today is still Golus.
Bringing more Jews there will not change the anti-religious policies of the Gov. Even 1,000,000 Frum Jews coming won't make them a majority. Stop using a tragedy to promote religious Zionism! The last two words are an oxymoron.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 01:10 PM Flatbushjew2 Says:

The Ben Ish Chai (in Ben Yehoyada Brachos 59) explains that hurricanes are created by loshon hora. The following is a short synopsis.
The connection between hurricanes and the sanctity of speech can be seen in the pasuk in Amos (4:13) which says "Hashem creates mountains and storms to teach a person what he has spoken."
The posuk starts with Hashem creating mountains and ends with mentioning the speech of man.
Why?
Hashem created giant mountains whose sole purpose is to diminish the winds of His great storms. Without those mountains, chas v'shalom, when hurricanes strike they would totally destroy all buildings and houses. Instead Hashem first sends the winds to strike the mountains, which diminish their great strength, before "allowing" them to strike places where people live.
But why, asks the Ben Ish Chai, is there a need for such great hurricane winds in the first place?
He answers "Hurricanes are created by the aveira of improper speech, loshon hora."
The Ben Ish Chai teaches us that after witnessing a great hurricane, every person should learn great musar from it, to guard themselves from the sin of improper speach.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 01:30 PM Kim Li Says:

Reply to #56  
Anonymous Says:

a) Ayein Rashi and B"R on Bireishis 19:5
b) Obviously nobody knows for sure why Hashem did what he did. But considering most people are clueless about molesters, R"L L"A, whereas society as a whole has "embraced" mishkav zachar, it's pretty obvious which is greater in its scope.

Hashem obviously has His own scales and measurements, but legalizing the fraud of gay "marriage" on a societal (macro) level seems far, far worse than "the molesters" on a much smaller (micro) level.

Thank you for your response, but it was rather inadequate.
(a) The Rashi that you cite says that the mob in Sedom wanted to have homosexual relations with Lot's visitors. What does have to do with the Chazal which says that the decree of the Mabul was sealed only because of theft?
(b) I've got bad news for you. There have been several incidents of child rape/molestation (including mishkav zachar) in which the criminals were supported and the victims were attacked at the communal level (Lakewood, Williamsburg et al.). Let me ask you: What is worse? Covering up the the rape of a child or sanctioning marriage between consenting adults? And even if you are so warped to think that the latter is worse, you still don't know what Hashem thinks.

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 Nov 06, 2012 at 04:15 PM J-R-S Says:

Reply to #66  
Anonymous Says:

it seems you are not aware of your surroundings regardless of whether you are correct your writing on a jewish blog and directly contradicting one of the basic tenets of the jewish religion

No, I'm not.

The notion that there is hashgacha pratis for Jews---BUT NOT FOR GOYIM is hardly a "basic tenet of the Torah". It's foolish stuff like that which is helping alienate generations of young people who have the temerity to think about hashkafa, not just chant aleph-beis & buy Borsalinos.

People who believe that, in fact, demean the Torah, by implication: they think intelligent, rational, thoughtful examination of Chazal's teachings is evil, and contradicts some basic tenet of the Torah; in effect, they seem to think the Torah, & Yiddishkeit in general, cannot stand up to the most basic scrutiny, and therefore any such thought or questioning must be stamped out.

That approach didn't work for the hypocritical 'holy men' of the Catholic Church, and it won't work for such narrow-minded Jews either. Yiddishkeit will surely survive---just not this moronic, distorted, anti-scientific, medieval version of it.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 01:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

Look in "Chulin Daf 92" where it clearly says that the bnei noach took upon 30 thinks but only 3 they kept and the first one is that they took upon themselves not to give a "Ksibah" for gay marriage".

It does not say that they took upon themselves not to do Mishkav Zachor.
It says that they took upon themselves not to give a Ksibah.
You can see the same in Medrosh as mentioned in other comments.

And this is exactly what they did in NY (I don't know about NJ), they legalized it.
This is what Chazal say.

We as frum yiden should've come out against it, NOT to try to stop it and protest every day. Just protest once to do our duty to show that we as Torah Yiden are against it and what our sages warned can happen if we do otherwise.

If we would've done that, we wouldn't need the rabbis speech, they themselves would've said "the Torah Jews were right"

let me finish by saying that name calling and other demeaning comments doesn't make your point stronger (arguing is OK but in human and torah way).

Good Night and Beseros Tovois

I have no idea what you are babbling about.

You seem to saying something about giving or not giving a ksubah, a ridiculous idea for a secular, civil marriage as opposed to a halachically-recognized marriage.

You appear to misunderstand the difference between church and state in an entirely new and bizarre way.

regardless, if your point is meant to be that in fact the idiot leiter is correct and you both know the reason for the Storm, you are even bigger idiots than I originally thought.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 01:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #63  
RalphWaldoEmerson Says:

You don't find homosexuality MORALLY repulsive, you find it repulsive. Be careful not to confuse homophobia with holiness

who are you correcting and why?

And "homophobia" means fear of homosexuals, is that what you mean to say? I think not.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 01:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
ralphwaldoemerson Says:

about time some explained it simply and eloquently thank you

thank you, I appreciate your comment.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 01:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #66  
Anonymous Says:

it seems you are not aware of your surroundings regardless of whether you are correct your writing on a jewish blog and directly contradicting one of the basic tenets of the jewish religion

you use "your" incorrectly, and "contradicting" incorrectly as well, but that's just grammar.

Your comment's wrong even if we ignore the English mistakes. What "basic tenet" is being contradicted?

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 02:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

Your ad hominem attacks don't do you any favors...

Again, however many molesters there may be, and however terrible their deeds are (no question about it), nothing can compare to the destruction of society as a whole and its basic moral fabric which is what legalizing and normalizing toeiva accomplishes.

The fraud is not that "gay couples" are living together or that they "love" each other. To each his own (in the privacy of their own home, mutual consent, etc.) But to legalize this toeiva and normalize it as marriage is a breathtaking fraud, in addition to destroying society's moral fabric.

you are an idiot, and don't understand the terms you are using. an ad hominem attack is attacking the person, not the argument. I didn't do that. I said the argument is ridiculous, and the person espousing it is simple-minded to believe that allowing legislators to call an existing relationship "marriage", which act is meaningless, especially to us, is morally worse and more damaging than child-molesting.

It is also in no way a fraud, as you claim, just a dumb idea. calling this union a marriage doesn't make it one, and has no effect on our Jewish society. Child molesting has a real effect on our society. calling something marriage means nothing. You don't seem to think that calling Jesus Christ to be Gd is such a problem, do you? but your underwear is in a bunch because someone said same-sex unions can be called marriages in the eyes of the city government.

So what? grow up. this doesn't "destroy society's moral fabric" in any way, and certainly not OUR society's. However, if you think child molesting strengthens any society's moral fabric, it is time you bought a mirror and used it.

and you blame Cuomo for what "frum" Jews do all the time, besides molesting children

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 02:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #68  
Anonymous Says:

No, I quoted Chazal. There's a difference between quoting Chazal, and expressing an opinion (which I did at the very end of that post), in case that wasn't evident to you.

But speaking of simple-minded opinions, are you really asserting that this storm, with its awesome destructive power from a rare and bizzare combination of weather systems, was a mere happenstance and not direct hashgacha from Hashem?

yes, speaking of simple minded opinions, I will explain that attributing the Storm to Gd is correct. Deciding that you know the exact reason WHY Gd created the Storm is arrogant, self-righteous,m and in the end, simple-minded. Only idiots like you don't undrestand the difference between the two.

And you can quote chazal all you like, you just can't twist what they say to mean whatever stupid idea you want it to mean.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 02:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #69  
Kzetnick Says:

Mr. Adelson has a large income from prostitution in Macao, is this clean money ,and biggest supporter of Newt Gingrich and
Romney. You are right prostitution in your mind is not schmutz, correct

Your comment may make sense in your mind, but not on paper. we have no idea what you are trying to say, or even whom you support.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 02:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Israelnow Says:

I believe Rabbi Yannai was talking about in Eretz Yisrael,as Toeivot cannot be tolerated here in Israel. The rabbi -if he lives in America -should first himself the obvious -why has he slapped G-d in the face , built a home or Yeshiva in exile and rejected the Land of israel. maybe that was G-ds message to all those who thought they can be powerful and comfortable in the 'great goldeneh medinah' and in nice homes on the beach in exile. Shame on the Rabbi and maybe shame on all those who have rejected Israel and preferred ivory towers (now waterlogged) in USA.
I wish all those who suffered a speedy recovery and may everyone return to israel. Home !

blah-blah-vlah, you wrote but said nothing, and certainly wrote nothing pertaining at all to the topic being discussed.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 02:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #71  
Anonymous Says:

Did you ever consider that it has nothing to do with Toeivot?. The more obvious reason or at least another very serious possibility is rejection of Israel and religious people thinking they can build huge homes and big businesses in exile when G-d has gifted Am Yisrael with Eretz Yisrael. It seems clear to me although im no prophet. One thing is for certain - simply taking insurance money and rebuilding as though nothing happened or as though Hashem isnt sending a powerful message is foolish.
Can you all imagine if another 50,000 or 100,000 or 250,000 religious Jews came to israel -how that could change the life and politics and dynamics of this country and maybe even bring Mashiach. Its time to come home -Jews of America !!!!

oh, I guess you wrote both comments 70 and 71.

Why are you recruiting people to come to Israel here? What does that hav to do with this discussion?

regarding the gift given am Yisroel which you are so excited about, first make better use of it yourself before you instruct other to come over and mess it up as badly as you already have.

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 02:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
Truth Says:

Kol Hapoisel B'momo Poisel. You may be an idiot, not Leiter. Leiter accomplished a lot of good to make people aware esp. the Governor that huricaines come from not just being Gay, but having the Chutzpa to write marriage contracts. You are obviously are not a learned person. Chazal say the flood of Noah came from the fact that the gays wrote marriage contracts amongst each other. The fact that they were Gay only merited a punishment in the next world, but the contracts brought forth G-d's wrath on e/o to destroy e/o because they allowed it. In other words Gov. aren't allowed to let Gays have legal/financial marriages. You and the posters like you should go back to sleep, but don't forget to vote today for the dems/libs.

Truthless, you never fail to show your ignorance of both Torah and secular topics alike.

I will point out just your first mistake, because this site is not large enough to list them all.

You can't "make people aware" that hurricanes come from being gay unless they do come from being gay,not a fact

the rest of your blathering is similarly ignorant and fatally flawed logic...

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 Nov 07, 2012 at 02:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #74  
Flatbushjew2 Says:

The Ben Ish Chai (in Ben Yehoyada Brachos 59) explains that hurricanes are created by loshon hora. The following is a short synopsis.
The connection between hurricanes and the sanctity of speech can be seen in the pasuk in Amos (4:13) which says "Hashem creates mountains and storms to teach a person what he has spoken."
The posuk starts with Hashem creating mountains and ends with mentioning the speech of man.
Why?
Hashem created giant mountains whose sole purpose is to diminish the winds of His great storms. Without those mountains, chas v'shalom, when hurricanes strike they would totally destroy all buildings and houses. Instead Hashem first sends the winds to strike the mountains, which diminish their great strength, before "allowing" them to strike places where people live.
But why, asks the Ben Ish Chai, is there a need for such great hurricane winds in the first place?
He answers "Hurricanes are created by the aveira of improper speech, loshon hora."
The Ben Ish Chai teaches us that after witnessing a great hurricane, every person should learn great musar from it, to guard themselves from the sin of improper speach.

thank you for your boring (and irrelevant to this article and discussion) attempt at showing off that you showed for at one class in yeshiva, even if it has nothing to do with the article being discussed here.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM J-R-S Says:

While all the moral geniuses are busy explaining the "obvious" reasons why Hashem causes tragedies, you ought to consider the following words, from sages "even" greater than yourselves:
אל תדין את חבריך עד שתגיע למקומו.

How many among you have struggled with a lifetime of SSA? What's that? Zero? Surprise, surprise. I'm going to go out on a limb here & make the shocking presumption that HKB"H in His infinite wisdom, is very forgiving, broadminded, knowledgeable and understanding of human nature---EVEN more than you!

So does He kill random innocent people & wreck innocent lives, just to "send a message" about building fancy houses; following one's own, private, inner urges; wearing too much make-up; not moving to Israel, talking during kaddish; eating unwashed lettuce, etc....?

Who knows--maybe He does! It just doesn't seem terribly likely, if you think about it. But then, that's the key word: THINK. And who, really, has the time to think, when they're all so busy revealing Hashem's intentions to the rest of us....

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