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Boston - Mitt Romney’s campaign got its first hint something was wrong on the afternoon of Election Day, when state campaign workers on the ground began reporting huge turnout in areas favorable to President Obama: northeastern Ohio, northern Virginia, central Florida and Miami-Dade.

Then came the early exit polls that also were favorable to the president.

But it wasn’t until the polls closed that concern turned into alarm. They expected North Carolina to be called early. It wasn’t. They expected Pennsylvania to be up in the air all night; it went early for the President.

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After Ohio went for Mr. Obama, it was over, but senior advisers say no one could process it.

“We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory,” said one senior adviser. “I don’t think there was one person who saw this coming.”

They just couldn’t believe they had been so wrong. And maybe they weren’t: There was Karl Rove on Fox saying Ohio wasn’t settled, so campaign aides decided to wait. They didn’t want to have to withdraw their concession, like Al Gore did in 2000, and they thought maybe the suburbs of Columbus and Cincinnati, which hadn’t been reported, could make a difference.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 05:31 PM yuneeq Says:

No one expected GOP turnout in 2012 to be less than McCain's. Romney is a far more likable candidate than McCain. Obama's turnout was down by a 10 million and that was expected. If Romney would have beat McCain's turnout even slightly, which was widely expected especially after the 2010 landslide, he would have won the election.

We are all shocked.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 05:31 PM berelw Says:

romney alienated the Latinos...big mistake..he also should have gone easy on woman issues like abortion ect....he should have said there is a value to abortion but woman should make that right decision ...he also could have said that he can understand abortion for rape and incest...he would have gotten the woman voters.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 05:34 PM Anonymous Says:

The country was shell shocked by the loss as well. To many principled conservatives couldnt vote for this moderate, but they didnt realize that their principles which didnt want them to vote for the lesser of two evils gave us the greater of many evils.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 05:49 PM Shame on the media!! Says:

We vote & we get what we deserve. The media has been pro Obama since before Day 1. They reported nothing about our drone being shot at by the Iranians. They hardly mentioned Benghazi even if Obama was clearly responsible for the death of our ambassador and marines. Obama's policies of tax & tax & spend are soley responsible for the dire straits more than 25% of the country finds themselves in. This is all stuff the lapdog brown nosing media should have reported! When the unemployment rate by Bush was around 4% all we heard was how so many people are out of work and how bad it was. It was, at that time, a media created recession. Now, the official unemployment number is 8% but the real number is double that, we don't hear about it because ObamaMania must be protected.

We got what we deserved and unfortunately CH'V we will ALL suffer for it in layoffs, inflation, etc.

Enjoy it but when you get sick of it, remember its Conservative principles that will bring us out of it even if people are expecting cratzmich presents for no good reason.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:00 PM wilyamsburg Says:

He had just a little less votes then obama (so let him lead 1/2 country)

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:02 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Nebach, did they really tought they going to win? Not a single poll in the past 6 month showed Romney ahead in electorate. Some polls did show him in popular vote after the first debate for a week. Mr Romney. Reform your party. Do a favor to USA. Not a single minority was won. Lost the Jews,Blacks,Hispanics,Woman etc. The only group you got is the White Christian Male. This country is a democracy. If your party doesnt get it, we will have a one party system very soon. This country is about 15% Black but they elected a black president with the help of Spanish,Yidden,Woman. Next time around the Democrats will have a white running and they will cary 50 States and 80% of the popular vote

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:02 PM Facts1 Says:

Reply to #1  
yuneeq Says:

No one expected GOP turnout in 2012 to be less than McCain's. Romney is a far more likable candidate than McCain. Obama's turnout was down by a 10 million and that was expected. If Romney would have beat McCain's turnout even slightly, which was widely expected especially after the 2010 landslide, he would have won the election.

We are all shocked.

Romney is a turn coat.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:05 PM Reb Yid Says:

Vote early, vote often, and pay people to vote. Works every time. Helps if the media tell people whom to vote for, and the people obey.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:06 PM Liepa Says:

Why were Romney and his advisors so in shock. Almost everyone saw it coming, especially once hurricane Sandy kicked in.

They were running neck in neck up to Sandy.

All Obama needed to do, once Sandy showed up was to act somewhat presidential and not to trip himself up, which he did. The rest is history!

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:08 PM ayoyo Says:

the GOP became the Grand Old white Peoples party.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:10 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #4  
Shame on the media!! Says:

We vote & we get what we deserve. The media has been pro Obama since before Day 1. They reported nothing about our drone being shot at by the Iranians. They hardly mentioned Benghazi even if Obama was clearly responsible for the death of our ambassador and marines. Obama's policies of tax & tax & spend are soley responsible for the dire straits more than 25% of the country finds themselves in. This is all stuff the lapdog brown nosing media should have reported! When the unemployment rate by Bush was around 4% all we heard was how so many people are out of work and how bad it was. It was, at that time, a media created recession. Now, the official unemployment number is 8% but the real number is double that, we don't hear about it because ObamaMania must be protected.

We got what we deserved and unfortunately CH'V we will ALL suffer for it in layoffs, inflation, etc.

Enjoy it but when you get sick of it, remember its Conservative principles that will bring us out of it even if people are expecting cratzmich presents for no good reason.

Its the media? Right? our drone being shot by the iranians in Irans territory. We should have invaded Iran Right ?At a cost of 3-4 trilllion and thousands of lives. Our embassador was killed in Benghazi (Not in USA) Wow ?We were attacked in the USA The Pentagon was hit, the President was hiding, and we were warned that arabs are learning in the USA to fly planes but not how to land it. Took us 5 year to investigate the Intelligence failor, But Obama of course knew what is going on in Libia.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

romney alienated the Latinos...big mistake..he also should have gone easy on woman issues like abortion ect....he should have said there is a value to abortion but woman should make that right decision ...he also could have said that he can understand abortion for rape and incest...he would have gotten the woman voters.

In other words, if only Romney called himself Republican but ran as a Democrat...

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

The country was shell shocked by the loss as well. To many principled conservatives couldnt vote for this moderate, but they didnt realize that their principles which didnt want them to vote for the lesser of two evils gave us the greater of many evils.

"The country was shell shocked" The country wasnt surprized. Every major Channel Television predicted Obama victory. The only people who was shocked are People without TV and have to lissen to Radio/Rusch Limbaugh. Basicly 3-4 million truck drivers (They cant watch and drive) and 2-300.000 Yeshiva/Kolel who cant have Tvs.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:20 PM Huh? Says:

Reply to #4  
Shame on the media!! Says:

We vote & we get what we deserve. The media has been pro Obama since before Day 1. They reported nothing about our drone being shot at by the Iranians. They hardly mentioned Benghazi even if Obama was clearly responsible for the death of our ambassador and marines. Obama's policies of tax & tax & spend are soley responsible for the dire straits more than 25% of the country finds themselves in. This is all stuff the lapdog brown nosing media should have reported! When the unemployment rate by Bush was around 4% all we heard was how so many people are out of work and how bad it was. It was, at that time, a media created recession. Now, the official unemployment number is 8% but the real number is double that, we don't hear about it because ObamaMania must be protected.

We got what we deserved and unfortunately CH'V we will ALL suffer for it in layoffs, inflation, etc.

Enjoy it but when you get sick of it, remember its Conservative principles that will bring us out of it even if people are expecting cratzmich presents for no good reason.

Somebody needs to fix your radio. It's apparently stuck on am770. Hanity and Limbaugh have infected your brain.
Run to the window the sun is shining, take a deep breath then through the radio out the window. Now try to have a thought of your own. It may hurt it first, but it will get easier.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

romney alienated the Latinos...big mistake..he also should have gone easy on woman issues like abortion ect....he should have said there is a value to abortion but woman should make that right decision ...he also could have said that he can understand abortion for rape and incest...he would have gotten the woman voters.

For the life of mine, I cannot understand how anyone bought into the notion that Romney is somehow 'anti-women'.
The 'War on Women' was a Obama campaign myth that unfortunately accomplished the hateful thing it had intended to do.
Romney has never opposed contraceptives, repeatedly referred to Roe V Wade as law that should be upheld per precedent, and does not have anything else on his record which would qualify him to be anti-women in any way.
Romneys 'Crime' was to say that he would defund planned parenthood, which his lying opponents manipulated women into thinking 'war on women'.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:43 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

The reason Obama won because Hashem wanted this way. Obamas 4 years there was no suicide bombings in Israel. No Land giving back like Sinai,Ghaza. The only reason Obama doesnt like Bibi because Bibi gave back most of Chevrajn Hebron. Obama is a true Sliach from Hashem Like his Name BH"O

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Romney, the reason you lost is because you are an old friend of Bibi. You shouldnt have let him give back to the arabs Hebron.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:46 PM shvigger Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

romney alienated the Latinos...big mistake..he also should have gone easy on woman issues like abortion ect....he should have said there is a value to abortion but woman should make that right decision ...he also could have said that he can understand abortion for rape and incest...he would have gotten the woman voters.

...abortion is murder...

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:53 PM enlightened-yid Says:

Well it's not surprising that all of the conservative advisers were clueless till the last minute. The reason for all this is that conservative people tend to invent their own fables, fantasies and live in closed off bubbles of censored media that feeds them right wing propaganda full of conspiracies and paranoia that's out of touch with reality. Also conservatives tend to dismiss science, math and technology. Their experts dismiss global warming and climate change as a hoax when all leading scientists around the globe say otherwise; conservative think tanks devour science to promote creationism in schools. Conservatives distort biology and environmental science for their own political agendas. Conservative advisers like Rove abandoned the math that was used by mainstream political forecasters and accused them of being pro-Obama bias. The end result is false numbers and hope for Romney. When conservatives will start embracing math and abandoning spin to cheer their supporters then their election forecasting will be accurate. But they are too accustomed to rely on blind faith and misinformation that GOP supporters love to feed on. Fox News should fire Dick Morris and Rove.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 06:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
yuneeq Says:

No one expected GOP turnout in 2012 to be less than McCain's. Romney is a far more likable candidate than McCain. Obama's turnout was down by a 10 million and that was expected. If Romney would have beat McCain's turnout even slightly, which was widely expected especially after the 2010 landslide, he would have won the election.

We are all shocked.

Ah, the Limbaugh talking point du jour mindlessly regurgitated by his minions in order to explain away reality: "we didn't lose; our philosophy wasn't rejected; we just didn't show up". Right.

I thought Republican were more "enthusiastic"? Isn't that what these same gasbags were telling their gullible audiences not days before the election? Now suddenly they all stayed home? Evidence please.

Did it ever dawn on you that what was "expected" according to the right wing narrative didn't occur, because the expectations were out of line with reality and all state aggregated polling? Is it remotely possible that these couch-sitting phantom Republicans don't exist, especially when you consider that in almost every swing state that mattered, Romney's number were well ahead of McCain's?

Why of course not. "We didn' lose; our star players were injured and sitting on the bench!" Uh huh.

It's safe to say, that for right wingers, inventing and engaging in an alternative reality has now become their favorite pastime.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Shame on the media!! Says:

We vote & we get what we deserve. The media has been pro Obama since before Day 1. They reported nothing about our drone being shot at by the Iranians. They hardly mentioned Benghazi even if Obama was clearly responsible for the death of our ambassador and marines. Obama's policies of tax & tax & spend are soley responsible for the dire straits more than 25% of the country finds themselves in. This is all stuff the lapdog brown nosing media should have reported! When the unemployment rate by Bush was around 4% all we heard was how so many people are out of work and how bad it was. It was, at that time, a media created recession. Now, the official unemployment number is 8% but the real number is double that, we don't hear about it because ObamaMania must be protected.

We got what we deserved and unfortunately CH'V we will ALL suffer for it in layoffs, inflation, etc.

Enjoy it but when you get sick of it, remember its Conservative principles that will bring us out of it even if people are expecting cratzmich presents for no good reason.

Of all the absurd and pervasive right-wing myths, this idea that there is this omnipotent "liberal media" takes the cake. I understand that victimization -- the need to believe that you are being set upon by this all powerful media -- is so central to your identity, but you ought to consider actually doing some research, and reassessing your most ardent beliefs.

I'm not going to bother engaging in a thorough analysis of the media -- that would take too long, so instead lets look at some basic numbers.

The supposed "mainstream media" is made up of 3 networks which carry news for a whopping half hour a day and compete with each other in the same half hour time slot. Fox News is on 24 hours a day and has better ratings -- meaning more viewers -- than CNN and MSNBC combined. The Wall Street Journal has better circulation than the NYT, and so-called "conservatives" has a virtual monopoly on the radio, spreading lies 24 hours a day to over 30 million people. Ironically, this is probably the medium that has brainwashed you into believing that the "media" (of which they are magically not included) is "liberal".

You lost because your ideas are inferior. Get over it.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:19 PM Anonymous Says:

This is what happens when you live in a bubble. When you ignore all state polling and aggregation of said polling, in favor of Rasmussen, Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Fox Noise, Drudge, Limbaugh, the "Unskewed Polls" guy, and your "gut feelings".

This is what happens when you reject logic, reason, statistics, and precedent, in favor of your preconceived notions.

This is what happens when you engage in confirmation bias, using terms such as "when I'm president", as opposed to "if I'm given the honor of being your president", and not bothering to prepare a concession speech. People don't like false confidence -- or arrogance; they see right through it.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:24 PM Ray_from_PA Says:

I am a dyed in the wool conservative. I listened for months as Romny said nothing. Then he did well in the first debate and decided to coast after that. He ran an uninformative, uninspiring, and mediocre campaign that resounded to very few people. Even those who voted were not that enthusiastic for him.

After spending a BILLION dollars over 6 months, he garnered 3 million less voters. His staff should resign and the Republicans need to know how to mount an effective message. Also, stop with the abortion discussion.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:31 PM TheRealJoe123 Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

"The country was shell shocked" The country wasnt surprized. Every major Channel Television predicted Obama victory. The only people who was shocked are People without TV and have to lissen to Radio/Rusch Limbaugh. Basicly 3-4 million truck drivers (They cant watch and drive) and 2-300.000 Yeshiva/Kolel who cant have Tvs.

Before making fun of Truck driver & Yeshiva students. Learn some basic spelling and grammar. The MSM has been wrong many times in the past so it wasn't surprising that people where skeptical at first.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:40 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

This is what happens when you live in a bubble. When you ignore all state polling and aggregation of said polling, in favor of Rasmussen, Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Fox Noise, Drudge, Limbaugh, the "Unskewed Polls" guy, and your "gut feelings".

This is what happens when you reject logic, reason, statistics, and precedent, in favor of your preconceived notions.

This is what happens when you engage in confirmation bias, using terms such as "when I'm president", as opposed to "if I'm given the honor of being your president", and not bothering to prepare a concession speech. People don't like false confidence -- or arrogance; they see right through it.

Talk about arrogance..... I bet you never met one of Obama's advisors by the name David Axelrod and a bunch of others - you could really learn a thing or two about arrogance

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Reb Yid Says:

Vote early, vote often, and pay people to vote. Works every time. Helps if the media tell people whom to vote for, and the people obey.

"Vote early, vote often, and pay people to vote. Works every time. Helps if the media tell people whom to vote for, and the people obey"

Like our Rabbonim? They tell us what to do and we always listen, right or wrong.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Reb Yid Says:

Vote early, vote often, and pay people to vote. Works every time. Helps if the media tell people whom to vote for, and the people obey.

At least Big Bird will continue to exist. That's why I voted for Obama. May the bird watch over all of us from this day on and forevermore. Amen

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:58 PM DovidTheK Says:

The takers outnumber the makers.
If you have a father who is strict and makes you wake up early to daven and at night and Shabbos only to learn and makes you eat healthy food and take a shower and wear clean clothes, all the things that are good for you but then you have a mother who lets you sleep late and miss minyan and to watch TV at night and gives you candy and all the things that are bad for you, you know in the long run the father is right but you will pick the mother as your favorite parent. This is like America now. They pick Obama even though he is wrong for them, because he gives them things and he doesn't care about responsibility.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 07:59 PM monalisa Says:

Yes, Sherry, there should be self-reflection...on your part. What gets me is not that Republicans lost. It's people like you who scoff at us for voting -LIKE YOU- according to OUR principles, beliefs and hopes. Many of us had big dreams for economic stability and they are in pieces, because we have seen our median income fall drastically during the past four years. Some of us even believed in Obama when he took 2008, but those beliefs have turned to dust and it is clear that nothing will change. If anything, things will get worse, not better.

It's true, though, that Republicans couldn't possibly compete with Obamaphones & all the other free stuff he gives to deadbeats. Why should people who get all these handouts (47 million of them & growing) get off their duffs & get a job if they get more to stay home & collect welfare.

You need to sit in on my class when I teach this. Even my students, many of whose parents voted for your boy, understand how they will not be collecting social security because USA will be bankrupt. They get that they (if they are lucky enough to get a job) will be paying for these bums' lifestyle. Tell me Sherry...what job do YOU have? Or do you even work?

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 08:12 PM pickythinker Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

This is what happens when you live in a bubble. When you ignore all state polling and aggregation of said polling, in favor of Rasmussen, Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Fox Noise, Drudge, Limbaugh, the "Unskewed Polls" guy, and your "gut feelings".

This is what happens when you reject logic, reason, statistics, and precedent, in favor of your preconceived notions.

This is what happens when you engage in confirmation bias, using terms such as "when I'm president", as opposed to "if I'm given the honor of being your president", and not bothering to prepare a concession speech. People don't like false confidence -- or arrogance; they see right through it.

This race was statistically tied it was no way like the 08 election. This time half the country was fed up with obama. Romney believe it or not lost by less than a percentage point. Romney was leading florida in most polls and virginia in some. In was a close election but obama won.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 08:13 PM monalisa Says:

4 reasons for the loss:

1. Obama gives free stuff. Romney wants people to actually work for things like cell phones.

2. The Republican party did not appeal to minorities (who will be the majority in 20 years' time), women, singles or young people. Their message is old, tired, out-of-touch.

3. The GOP is perceived to be made up of old, rich, white males. So a young Black woman fresh out of college looking for a job doesn't feel the GOP can relate to her. Truthfully, they didn't try.

4. Obama is one of the guys. He plays basketball, he uses home-boy homilies like "folks" & puts on the Black voice to get through to "his" people.

Tough to swallow, but it's reality. They need to change before it's too late for 2016. We need a Rubio, West or Christie to reach out and get this country back.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 08:19 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #25  
TheRealJoe123 Says:

Before making fun of Truck driver & Yeshiva students. Learn some basic spelling and grammar. The MSM has been wrong many times in the past so it wasn't surprising that people where skeptical at first.

I love yeshivah students they are the ones learning Torah all day and i love truck drivers they are the ones delivering milk,bread etc daily. I am just stating the facts that if you are stuck to the radio like 50 years ago because you are learning or driving all day you will not get current info. Rush Limbaugh and friends spew the same hatred they did for years. Anyone with internet or TV had all the info suggesting Obama will get more electorate and a close popular vote. So there was no surprise. What is MSM??

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 08:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

Of all the absurd and pervasive right-wing myths, this idea that there is this omnipotent "liberal media" takes the cake. I understand that victimization -- the need to believe that you are being set upon by this all powerful media -- is so central to your identity, but you ought to consider actually doing some research, and reassessing your most ardent beliefs.

I'm not going to bother engaging in a thorough analysis of the media -- that would take too long, so instead lets look at some basic numbers.

The supposed "mainstream media" is made up of 3 networks which carry news for a whopping half hour a day and compete with each other in the same half hour time slot. Fox News is on 24 hours a day and has better ratings -- meaning more viewers -- than CNN and MSNBC combined. The Wall Street Journal has better circulation than the NYT, and so-called "conservatives" has a virtual monopoly on the radio, spreading lies 24 hours a day to over 30 million people. Ironically, this is probably the medium that has brainwashed you into believing that the "media" (of which they are magically not included) is "liberal".

You lost because your ideas are inferior. Get over it.

You are delusional is you do not think there is media bias.

The MSM themselves will tell you that there is media bias. FOX is one out of many media outlets that have an opposing view and all those that can't stand that (such as yourself apparently) feel the need to 'caricaturize' it to no end.

I'm not going to bother doing an analysis...but look it up, there are sites dedicated to media bias and they have plenty of fodder to work with (to the tune of tens of posts a day).

And with the media bias, there are plenty of people who cannot think for themselves, bought into every lie told about Romney and glossed over every story NOT told about Obama. With people hearing non-stop false stereotypes about Romney, it very probably affected their note - especially when they felt it regarded them.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 08:45 PM BeKind Says:

Sheldon Adelson, who donated millions of dollars to Romney's campaign, should demand an explanation from Romney's advisors. How can they get it so wrong?

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 08:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
shvigger Says:

...abortion is murder...

You cannot make a blanket statement like that.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 08:52 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #32  
monalisa Says:

4 reasons for the loss:

1. Obama gives free stuff. Romney wants people to actually work for things like cell phones.

2. The Republican party did not appeal to minorities (who will be the majority in 20 years' time), women, singles or young people. Their message is old, tired, out-of-touch.

3. The GOP is perceived to be made up of old, rich, white males. So a young Black woman fresh out of college looking for a job doesn't feel the GOP can relate to her. Truthfully, they didn't try.

4. Obama is one of the guys. He plays basketball, he uses home-boy homilies like "folks" & puts on the Black voice to get through to "his" people.

Tough to swallow, but it's reality. They need to change before it's too late for 2016. We need a Rubio, West or Christie to reach out and get this country back.

"4 reasons for the loss" 1.Obama gives free stuff to the poor. Romney gives it to the wealthy. There are more poor than rich
2.Republicans didn appeal to minorities. Correct Jews,Spanish, Women all voted Obama. Only White Christian Male went for Romney .
3. The Gop is old,rich,white,males and dont forget Christian right.
4.Obama is one of the guys. Wrong most women voted for him.
Need to change. Rubio? You dont get the Spanish. He is Cuban. Most Mexican,Porto Ricans,Dominican hate him more than Romney. Christie is the only choice but he will never get the nomination. So get ready for President BIDEN 2016

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:09 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

You are delusional is you do not think there is media bias.

The MSM themselves will tell you that there is media bias. FOX is one out of many media outlets that have an opposing view and all those that can't stand that (such as yourself apparently) feel the need to 'caricaturize' it to no end.

I'm not going to bother doing an analysis...but look it up, there are sites dedicated to media bias and they have plenty of fodder to work with (to the tune of tens of posts a day).

And with the media bias, there are plenty of people who cannot think for themselves, bought into every lie told about Romney and glossed over every story NOT told about Obama. With people hearing non-stop false stereotypes about Romney, it very probably affected their note - especially when they felt it regarded them.

"Non-stop false stereotypes about Romney" Interesting? I didnt hear one bad thing about Romney, only good like he is a good businessman, and to make money he sends the work to china. Its cheaper. WalMart,Intel,etc every major US company does it. What stereotypes are you talkin about. Did anyone said he is Muslem? or Born in Uganda? They only asked for his Back Tax Returns like his father gave it out.He reported 20 million profts and paid 14% taxes. Less than most americans making 50.000 a year. That is a good businessman. Did anyone call him antisemite? even that his friend Bibi gave back Hebron to the arabs?

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:12 PM ohdear Says:

Reply to #19  
shvigger Says:

...abortion is murder...

If you are Catholic, But if you are Jewish its not that simple....

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Ah, the Limbaugh talking point du jour mindlessly regurgitated by his minions in order to explain away reality: "we didn't lose; our philosophy wasn't rejected; we just didn't show up". Right.

I thought Republican were more "enthusiastic"? Isn't that what these same gasbags were telling their gullible audiences not days before the election? Now suddenly they all stayed home? Evidence please.

Did it ever dawn on you that what was "expected" according to the right wing narrative didn't occur, because the expectations were out of line with reality and all state aggregated polling? Is it remotely possible that these couch-sitting phantom Republicans don't exist, especially when you consider that in almost every swing state that mattered, Romney's number were well ahead of McCain's?

Why of course not. "We didn' lose; our star players were injured and sitting on the bench!" Uh huh.

It's safe to say, that for right wingers, inventing and engaging in an alternative reality has now become their favorite pastime.

3 million republicans either didnt vote or voted 3rd party - if they voted for romney he would have at least won the popular vote

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
pickythinker Says:

This race was statistically tied it was no way like the 08 election. This time half the country was fed up with obama. Romney believe it or not lost by less than a percentage point. Romney was leading florida in most polls and virginia in some. In was a close election but obama won.

Picky thinker? Apt.

Romney is losing at the moment by 2.4 points. When all the votes are counted, it is projected to go to 2.5 points. Again; math.

Obama did not need Florida or Virginia, or for that matter Ohio, in order to win the election, so the polling there was immaterial. In all the states that he did need in order to secure a victory, he was leading in the aggregates, so Romney being shocked that he lost is an expression of denial, not reality.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
monalisa Says:

Yes, Sherry, there should be self-reflection...on your part. What gets me is not that Republicans lost. It's people like you who scoff at us for voting -LIKE YOU- according to OUR principles, beliefs and hopes. Many of us had big dreams for economic stability and they are in pieces, because we have seen our median income fall drastically during the past four years. Some of us even believed in Obama when he took 2008, but those beliefs have turned to dust and it is clear that nothing will change. If anything, things will get worse, not better.

It's true, though, that Republicans couldn't possibly compete with Obamaphones & all the other free stuff he gives to deadbeats. Why should people who get all these handouts (47 million of them & growing) get off their duffs & get a job if they get more to stay home & collect welfare.

You need to sit in on my class when I teach this. Even my students, many of whose parents voted for your boy, understand how they will not be collecting social security because USA will be bankrupt. They get that they (if they are lucky enough to get a job) will be paying for these bums' lifestyle. Tell me Sherry...what job do YOU have? Or do you even work?

During 2011, total benefits of $736 billion were paid out versus income (taxes and interest) of $805 billion, a $69 billion annual surplus. An estimated 158 million people paid into the program and 55 million received benefits, roughly 2.87 workers per beneficiary.

The program is "pay as you go", meaning current payroll taxes pay for current retirees.

Social Security is more financially sound today than it has been throughout most of its 69-year history and "the hype about a Social Security crisis" is just that. According to Nobel Laureate economist Paul Krugman:
“ [T]here is a long-run financing problem. But it's a problem of modest size. The [CBO] report finds that extending the life of the Trust Fund into the 22nd century, with no change in benefits, would require additional revenues equal to only 0.54 percent of G.D.P. That's less than 3 percent of federal spending — less than we're currently spending in Iraq. And it's only about one-quarter of the revenue lost each year because of President Bush's tax cuts — roughly equal to the fraction of those cuts that goes to people with incomes over $500,000 a year."

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
DovidTheK Says:

The takers outnumber the makers.
If you have a father who is strict and makes you wake up early to daven and at night and Shabbos only to learn and makes you eat healthy food and take a shower and wear clean clothes, all the things that are good for you but then you have a mother who lets you sleep late and miss minyan and to watch TV at night and gives you candy and all the things that are bad for you, you know in the long run the father is right but you will pick the mother as your favorite parent. This is like America now. They pick Obama even though he is wrong for them, because he gives them things and he doesn't care about responsibility.

Thanks for the Limbaugh talking-points. As it turns out, Obama has not added any new welfare programs to the menu since he came into office. All welfare programs and the expenditures associated with them have to be approved by Congress, so I fail to see how Obama enters into the equation. All the welfare programs right-wingers love to moan about were in place long before Obama arrived in Washington. As it turns out, the highest concentration of welfare recipients just so happen to live in very RED southern states. I'm shocked. As it also turns out, red states, on average, have the lowest per capita incomes and take the most federal dollars relative to the taxation they contribute. Who are the "takers" again?

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

You are delusional is you do not think there is media bias.

The MSM themselves will tell you that there is media bias. FOX is one out of many media outlets that have an opposing view and all those that can't stand that (such as yourself apparently) feel the need to 'caricaturize' it to no end.

I'm not going to bother doing an analysis...but look it up, there are sites dedicated to media bias and they have plenty of fodder to work with (to the tune of tens of posts a day).

And with the media bias, there are plenty of people who cannot think for themselves, bought into every lie told about Romney and glossed over every story NOT told about Obama. With people hearing non-stop false stereotypes about Romney, it very probably affected their note - especially when they felt it regarded them.

I didn't say there was no media bias. I said that the right wing media bias is just as pervasive as the left wing media bias. In spite of your contention, there is no evidence that the reach of so-called liberal media is any greater than the reach of so-called conservative media.

When you add up all the TV, newspaper, online, and radio audiences, it is clear that the right wing media is actually the "mainstream," as they have the larger cumulative captive audiences.

The idea that the left wing media captures 80% of the audience, while the right wing is some embattled minority with only 20% of the audience, is a myth.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:49 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

3 million republicans either didnt vote or voted 3rd party - if they voted for romney he would have at least won the popular vote

"3 millions republican didnt vote, if they voted Romney at least he would have von the popular vote" Nebach? you would feel better than? How about this. If he would have paid taxes like regular americans If he would have been proud of Obamacare and take credit for it since he Invented it. If he would have gotten a few Galizianers to work for him like Obama did and lissen to them instead of Carl Rove, if he wouldnt have acted like King Bloomie and care for the middle class,poor etc he would have von by landslide.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 09:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
monalisa Says:

4 reasons for the loss:

1. Obama gives free stuff. Romney wants people to actually work for things like cell phones.

2. The Republican party did not appeal to minorities (who will be the majority in 20 years' time), women, singles or young people. Their message is old, tired, out-of-touch.

3. The GOP is perceived to be made up of old, rich, white males. So a young Black woman fresh out of college looking for a job doesn't feel the GOP can relate to her. Truthfully, they didn't try.

4. Obama is one of the guys. He plays basketball, he uses home-boy homilies like "folks" & puts on the Black voice to get through to "his" people.

Tough to swallow, but it's reality. They need to change before it's too late for 2016. We need a Rubio, West or Christie to reach out and get this country back.

Would you please stop with these stupid stereotypes?

The "free phone" program was put into place under Reagan and expanded by Bush Jr.. Stop pretending as if Obama is standing on the street corner handing out free phones. Romney's easy "red states" pickups on election night, have significantly lower per capita incomes, and significantly higher rates of welfare recipients. Who is it that doesn't like to work again? If you bother to analyze voting patterns you will discover that while Obama does indeed carry many poor minority communities, he also carried some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in this country. For example, Loudoun, Fairfax and Prince William Counties in Virginia (three of the top ten wealthiest counties in the country) Went for Obama, and are the reason he has won Virginia -- a traditionally red state -- twice in a row. Engaging in silly stereotypes -- classifying 61 million voters as leeches who like free stuff, may serve to make you feel good and explain away your loss, but it is not grounded in reality.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 10:02 PM Asian Former American Says:

Reply to #37  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"4 reasons for the loss" 1.Obama gives free stuff to the poor. Romney gives it to the wealthy. There are more poor than rich
2.Republicans didn appeal to minorities. Correct Jews,Spanish, Women all voted Obama. Only White Christian Male went for Romney .
3. The Gop is old,rich,white,males and dont forget Christian right.
4.Obama is one of the guys. Wrong most women voted for him.
Need to change. Rubio? You dont get the Spanish. He is Cuban. Most Mexican,Porto Ricans,Dominican hate him more than Romney. Christie is the only choice but he will never get the nomination. So get ready for President BIDEN 2016

I will be getting ready for Biden. I'm dropping my US citizenship as soon as my papers for another one are processed. America had its great days. They're over. History marches on. America became a leisure society like Rome was at the end, and that never works. It may have one last roar at some point before it becomes another European-style socialist state that attracts only illegal aliens, but it shed a great light and burned out in the process.

The names of my relatives who stayed on a sinking ship in Europe are in the Yad Vashem records. While this time a tragedy even close to the level of the churban is BH completely impossible, I do expect an anti-Semitic backlash in which "Jewish bankers" and aid to Israel will be blamed for the decline of America.

And if EY doesn't get itself away from the US, in 10 years' time I'll be giving a shiur in Vayoiel Moishe every week to Israeli refugees at my local Chabad House.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 10:18 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

Thanks for the Limbaugh talking-points. As it turns out, Obama has not added any new welfare programs to the menu since he came into office. All welfare programs and the expenditures associated with them have to be approved by Congress, so I fail to see how Obama enters into the equation. All the welfare programs right-wingers love to moan about were in place long before Obama arrived in Washington. As it turns out, the highest concentration of welfare recipients just so happen to live in very RED southern states. I'm shocked. As it also turns out, red states, on average, have the lowest per capita incomes and take the most federal dollars relative to the taxation they contribute. Who are the "takers" again?

"Red states have the lowest per capita incomes" Lets make this simple Blue States for Obama NY.NJ.Ct.Mass.Del.Pa.Cal. etc This States have The highest State/City Income Tax in USA. They are the highest per capita income, They are the highest level of education, They have the longest life span, They have 90% of the jews living there etc. The Red states are:Wyoming,Kansas,So Dakota,Louisiana,Nebraska,So Carolina,Georgia,etc They mostly have low or no State income tax,low education levels,low life span, etc. My Question is: If close to 90% of the jews live in the Blue States of NY.NJ.Mass.Ct.Cal. but only 70% voted for Obama What is the real reason for the 20% to vote for Romney/Republican. If they dont like the economy,education etc in the blue states they can move freely to Red ones like Wyoming,Ks etc More fresh air, Republican valeus etc.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

3 million republicans either didnt vote or voted 3rd party - if they voted for romney he would have at least won the popular vote

Is there any particular reason why you mindlessly accept Limbaugh's made up numbers without any evidence to support them? Is it possible that Limbaugh made up this number because it just so happens to be the current gap between Obama and Romney? As it turns out, according to post-mortem analysis, Romney would have needed to win the popular vote by almost two percentage points in order to win the electoral college. In other words, Romney would have needed 6 million more of these phantom Republican voters (assuming Obama voters didn't switch), in order to win. So much for Limbaugh's brilliant analysis. Just be gracious and accept that you lost. Licking your wounds by telling yourself lies only leads to infection.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 10:36 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #47  
Asian Former American Says:

I will be getting ready for Biden. I'm dropping my US citizenship as soon as my papers for another one are processed. America had its great days. They're over. History marches on. America became a leisure society like Rome was at the end, and that never works. It may have one last roar at some point before it becomes another European-style socialist state that attracts only illegal aliens, but it shed a great light and burned out in the process.

The names of my relatives who stayed on a sinking ship in Europe are in the Yad Vashem records. While this time a tragedy even close to the level of the churban is BH completely impossible, I do expect an anti-Semitic backlash in which "Jewish bankers" and aid to Israel will be blamed for the decline of America.

And if EY doesn't get itself away from the US, in 10 years' time I'll be giving a shiur in Vayoiel Moishe every week to Israeli refugees at my local Chabad House.

Dont drop you US citizenship yet. Never know when you need it and it doesnt cost you a penny." Decline of America " The last time i checked US Treasury is yielding less than one percent. The entire world including China-Russia-Japan are competing to buy US Bonds and dropping the rate for the returns to themself. Its not a sign of decline. Greece bonds yield 14-15% Spain 10% Italy 7% As long the rest of the world will give us money for almost free and send us all the goddies at half what it cost to make we are more than ok. You might leave but i know thousands who would buy us Ctizenship including Yidden from Israel,England,France etc not even counting South Americans. And Dont forget to go to the Mikveh before giving the Vayoel Moshe shiur.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 10:43 PM DovidTheK Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

Thanks for the Limbaugh talking-points. As it turns out, Obama has not added any new welfare programs to the menu since he came into office. All welfare programs and the expenditures associated with them have to be approved by Congress, so I fail to see how Obama enters into the equation. All the welfare programs right-wingers love to moan about were in place long before Obama arrived in Washington. As it turns out, the highest concentration of welfare recipients just so happen to live in very RED southern states. I'm shocked. As it also turns out, red states, on average, have the lowest per capita incomes and take the most federal dollars relative to the taxation they contribute. Who are the "takers" again?

How do you explain food stamps went from 31 million people up to 47 million people in Obama's 4 years? Because he gives, gives, gives. and he gets votes from all those people who sit home and live off the government while the other half of the people go to work to support them.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 11:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
DovidTheK Says:

How do you explain food stamps went from 31 million people up to 47 million people in Obama's 4 years? Because he gives, gives, gives. and he gets votes from all those people who sit home and live off the government while the other half of the people go to work to support them.

Obama doesn't give anything. In order to receive food stamps you have to qualify. States administer the program not the federal government. More people were eligible to qualify after losing their jobs due to the financial crash and ensuing unemployment. The rules were never changed. Again, the majority of welfare recipients are in red states, and their votes went overwhelming for Romney.

I understand that Republicans have problems with basic arithmetic, so lets revisit third grade. There are 311 million people in this country. 47/311 = 15.1%, not 50% as you suggest. Many of that 15.1% are children, the elderly and the disabled who cannot work.

If it make you feel good to continue to perpetuate the Romney myth that 47% of Americans are lazy, good for nothing leeches, knock yourself out. It's surely no way to win an election though.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 11:53 PM A Says:

Reply to #19  
shvigger Says:

...abortion is murder...

And that there is your problem, abortion is considered murder by christian churches. We, however, are not christians, we are supposed to follow the Torah and the Torah allows abortions in certain cases.

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 Nov 08, 2012 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

This is what happens when you live in a bubble. When you ignore all state polling and aggregation of said polling, in favor of Rasmussen, Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Fox Noise, Drudge, Limbaugh, the "Unskewed Polls" guy, and your "gut feelings".

This is what happens when you reject logic, reason, statistics, and precedent, in favor of your preconceived notions.

This is what happens when you engage in confirmation bias, using terms such as "when I'm president", as opposed to "if I'm given the honor of being your president", and not bothering to prepare a concession speech. People don't like false confidence -- or arrogance; they see right through it.

I really like your post. Just wanted you to know.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 12:06 AM A Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

3 million republicans either didnt vote or voted 3rd party - if they voted for romney he would have at least won the popular vote

What you say has no meaning because there are more registered Democrats in this country than registered Republicans. If you want to include the Republicans who didn't vote then you must also include the Democrats who didn't vote. If all registered voters voted then Obama would have won by overwhelming numbers.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 12:37 AM TexasJew Says:

#'s 1 thru 54 Monday morning quarterbacks.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 01:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Poor Mitt. Its a shame that American will never have had the chance to have Mitt Romney as president. This is likley the last person of that generation and of that calliber to ever have the chance to serve this great office. Axelrod used the stimulas money and outsmarted everyone by pounding that money into an early and strong ground game. Sometimes I just wish these smart commies would work for the better candidate. Oh well.. Love Mitt, will miss him... What a kind, humble, religious, fine family man. And clean to boot, never drank nor smoked.. Clean as whistle.. Would have been so proud to have him asthe father of the country.. Oh well.. What a shame.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 02:16 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #32  
monalisa Says:

4 reasons for the loss:

1. Obama gives free stuff. Romney wants people to actually work for things like cell phones.

2. The Republican party did not appeal to minorities (who will be the majority in 20 years' time), women, singles or young people. Their message is old, tired, out-of-touch.

3. The GOP is perceived to be made up of old, rich, white males. So a young Black woman fresh out of college looking for a job doesn't feel the GOP can relate to her. Truthfully, they didn't try.

4. Obama is one of the guys. He plays basketball, he uses home-boy homilies like "folks" & puts on the Black voice to get through to "his" people.

Tough to swallow, but it's reality. They need to change before it's too late for 2016. We need a Rubio, West or Christie to reach out and get this country back.

Only one fact you need tell the truth. Lies like the birthers, the deficit yes increased but was started by Bush who made a war without raising taxes a feat even Hitler was unable to do including his use of slave labor, accepting money from harlotry and proclaiming moral purity, creating jobs by cannibalizing companies and pocketing the employees retirement fund for managing fees, be a weather vane in his political philosophy and lies like just found out the Ayn Rand is an atheist and you need a revelation maybe lose your enigmatic smile and learn the truth Leonado's facsimile

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 02:38 AM Yawvous Says:

Reply to #2  
berelw Says:

romney alienated the Latinos...big mistake..he also should have gone easy on woman issues like abortion ect....he should have said there is a value to abortion but woman should make that right decision ...he also could have said that he can understand abortion for rape and incest...he would have gotten the woman voters.

Don't go for that. Those topics didn't cost him the election. The adamancy of the people did.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 06:39 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #30  
monalisa Says:

Yes, Sherry, there should be self-reflection...on your part. What gets me is not that Republicans lost. It's people like you who scoff at us for voting -LIKE YOU- according to OUR principles, beliefs and hopes. Many of us had big dreams for economic stability and they are in pieces, because we have seen our median income fall drastically during the past four years. Some of us even believed in Obama when he took 2008, but those beliefs have turned to dust and it is clear that nothing will change. If anything, things will get worse, not better.

It's true, though, that Republicans couldn't possibly compete with Obamaphones & all the other free stuff he gives to deadbeats. Why should people who get all these handouts (47 million of them & growing) get off their duffs & get a job if they get more to stay home & collect welfare.

You need to sit in on my class when I teach this. Even my students, many of whose parents voted for your boy, understand how they will not be collecting social security because USA will be bankrupt. They get that they (if they are lucky enough to get a job) will be paying for these bums' lifestyle. Tell me Sherry...what job do YOU have? Or do you even work?

Maybe beautiful Mona Lisa you should teach kindergarten . I worked at SSA for forty years in a professional position and if there is one lie it is you assertion about SS benefits. Raising the retirement age plus increase the limit of FICA withdrawal will make SS solvent for the next 50 years . For your information it will be solvent without correctio but not to the full amount of benefits at the current rate. That is why Romney lost and your friends will lose again but because you spread lies

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 06:57 AM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #51  
DovidTheK Says:

How do you explain food stamps went from 31 million people up to 47 million people in Obama's 4 years? Because he gives, gives, gives. and he gets votes from all those people who sit home and live off the government while the other half of the people go to work to support them.

This is ridiculous! Where do you folks get your facts from?! President Obama has taken measure to LOWER the deficit! And the reason MORE people are Food Stamps recipients now rather than when Obama 1st took office, is because when he 1st came in, we were losing 800,000 jobs PER MONTH, and it took us a little while to to a place where we are now: adding 80,000 - 170,000 people to the work place!

And it costs money to go to war! But Gorge Bush jr decided to start 2Wars OFF THE BOOKS, and just left the costs of them 26o

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 07:03 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #30  
monalisa Says:

Yes, Sherry, there should be self-reflection...on your part. What gets me is not that Republicans lost. It's people like you who scoff at us for voting -LIKE YOU- according to OUR principles, beliefs and hopes. Many of us had big dreams for economic stability and they are in pieces, because we have seen our median income fall drastically during the past four years. Some of us even believed in Obama when he took 2008, but those beliefs have turned to dust and it is clear that nothing will change. If anything, things will get worse, not better.

It's true, though, that Republicans couldn't possibly compete with Obamaphones & all the other free stuff he gives to deadbeats. Why should people who get all these handouts (47 million of them & growing) get off their duffs & get a job if they get more to stay home & collect welfare.

You need to sit in on my class when I teach this. Even my students, many of whose parents voted for your boy, understand how they will not be collecting social security because USA will be bankrupt. They get that they (if they are lucky enough to get a job) will be paying for these bums' lifestyle. Tell me Sherry...what job do YOU have? Or do you even work?

I hope you continue in the same vein which will assure another conservative debacle and the only shame is that twist student's mind. OBTW the phone business was started by Bush check the facts and not the figments of Mona Lisa's immagination

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 07:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

Poor Mitt. Its a shame that American will never have had the chance to have Mitt Romney as president. This is likley the last person of that generation and of that calliber to ever have the chance to serve this great office. Axelrod used the stimulas money and outsmarted everyone by pounding that money into an early and strong ground game. Sometimes I just wish these smart commies would work for the better candidate. Oh well.. Love Mitt, will miss him... What a kind, humble, religious, fine family man. And clean to boot, never drank nor smoked.. Clean as whistle.. Would have been so proud to have him asthe father of the country.. Oh well.. What a shame.

"Used the stimulus money" ? Evidence please.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 07:54 AM monalisa Says:

To Kzler

Thanks for calling me beautiful! What a lovely compliment!

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 08:15 AM Huh? Says:

Reply to #51  
DovidTheK Says:

How do you explain food stamps went from 31 million people up to 47 million people in Obama's 4 years? Because he gives, gives, gives. and he gets votes from all those people who sit home and live off the government while the other half of the people go to work to support them.

Limbaugh speak again.
half truths and full entertainment,
that's his job.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 08:19 AM Huh? Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

Poor Mitt. Its a shame that American will never have had the chance to have Mitt Romney as president. This is likley the last person of that generation and of that calliber to ever have the chance to serve this great office. Axelrod used the stimulas money and outsmarted everyone by pounding that money into an early and strong ground game. Sometimes I just wish these smart commies would work for the better candidate. Oh well.. Love Mitt, will miss him... What a kind, humble, religious, fine family man. And clean to boot, never drank nor smoked.. Clean as whistle.. Would have been so proud to have him asthe father of the country.. Oh well.. What a shame.

A religious man?
not all religions have the same values.
and not all religiously observant people are religious.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 08:28 AM Ulysses Says:

In 2008, I voted for Obama in the Democratic primary, as I couldn't stand Hillary Clinton. However, in the general election, I voted for John McCain, as I always respected him, and followed his career, over many years. There were certain issues that I had with Obama, at that time. However, this time, I voted for Obama, as I was not thrilled with some of the people who backed him, such as former Secretary of State James Baker (who is no friend of Yidden), or John Sununu, (who is also no friend of ours). Even Ehud Barak, the most heavily decorated soldier in the IDF, had nothing but praise for Obama, and that was good enough for me. The latter being said, I want to correct something which keeps appearing on this site, which is the nonsense about Romney "only paying 14% on his capital gains". The latter is the law, and is written into the IRS code, to help stimulate investment. I only pay 14% on my capital gains. Therefore, stop trying to imply that Romney has somehow pulled a fast one! His tax returns were perfectly legal, whether anyone likes them or not. This is America, and he is free to earn $20,000,000 or $1,000,000,000. Case closed!

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 08:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #71  
Ulysses Says:

In 2008, I voted for Obama in the Democratic primary, as I couldn't stand Hillary Clinton. However, in the general election, I voted for John McCain, as I always respected him, and followed his career, over many years. There were certain issues that I had with Obama, at that time. However, this time, I voted for Obama, as I was not thrilled with some of the people who backed him, such as former Secretary of State James Baker (who is no friend of Yidden), or John Sununu, (who is also no friend of ours). Even Ehud Barak, the most heavily decorated soldier in the IDF, had nothing but praise for Obama, and that was good enough for me. The latter being said, I want to correct something which keeps appearing on this site, which is the nonsense about Romney "only paying 14% on his capital gains". The latter is the law, and is written into the IRS code, to help stimulate investment. I only pay 14% on my capital gains. Therefore, stop trying to imply that Romney has somehow pulled a fast one! His tax returns were perfectly legal, whether anyone likes them or not. This is America, and he is free to earn $20,000,000 or $1,000,000,000. Case closed!

Case not closed. Most "investors" like Romney are not honestly investing in a company, paying the corporate taxes on said companies profits, and reaping the benefit of capital gains rates. Most hedge fund managers and leveraged buyout people like Romney, have no interest in the success or failing of the companies they "invest" in, and are only there to make a quick buck -- often at the expense of the company and its employees. They use special tax breaks such the "carried interest" rule in order to keep their rates artificially low. The idea that the Romney's of the world are no different than Joe investor with his 401k, is ridiculous.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 09:18 AM shimonyehuda Says:

Reply to #35  
BeKind Says:

Sheldon Adelson, who donated millions of dollars to Romney's campaign, should demand an explanation from Romney's advisors. How can they get it so wrong?

he should ask for a refund

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 09:25 AM KZLER Says:

Reply to #68  
monalisa Says:

To Kzler

Thanks for calling me beautiful! What a lovely compliment!

I don't know if you are but I saw the most famous copy of the true Monay Lisa in Milano. Truthfully you are a danger to the children/students which you allegedly "teach". You are a poor facsimile of da'Vincis masterwork and a poor copy of
Goebbels, shouting off alleged figments of your immagination

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 10:50 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

Poor Mitt. Its a shame that American will never have had the chance to have Mitt Romney as president. This is likley the last person of that generation and of that calliber to ever have the chance to serve this great office. Axelrod used the stimulas money and outsmarted everyone by pounding that money into an early and strong ground game. Sometimes I just wish these smart commies would work for the better candidate. Oh well.. Love Mitt, will miss him... What a kind, humble, religious, fine family man. And clean to boot, never drank nor smoked.. Clean as whistle.. Would have been so proud to have him asthe father of the country.. Oh well.. What a shame.

As a commie dispiser I have answer for you but I think you will not understand it "Vox populi, vox deii" . It is Latin not one your Rush Limbaugh languages

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 11:35 AM shalomke Says:

obama is responsible for the hurricane sandy disaster and aftermath. Had the media focused on the devastation in NY and NJ,the gas shortage, lack of power, food etc. with even half of the intensity they did during Katrina, Obama would have lost in a landslide. Instead, they showed pictures of him touring in a helicopter, doing nothing, accomplishing nothing, but enough to show that he's in charge. No focus on the zero accomplishments of government and FEMA in helping people recover.
In short Obama won because of 3 reasons...The Media, The Media, The Media.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #76  
shalomke Says:

obama is responsible for the hurricane sandy disaster and aftermath. Had the media focused on the devastation in NY and NJ,the gas shortage, lack of power, food etc. with even half of the intensity they did during Katrina, Obama would have lost in a landslide. Instead, they showed pictures of him touring in a helicopter, doing nothing, accomplishing nothing, but enough to show that he's in charge. No focus on the zero accomplishments of government and FEMA in helping people recover.
In short Obama won because of 3 reasons...The Media, The Media, The Media.

Why is it that you are smart enough to see through the "media" spin, but everyone else is not? Are the thousands of right-wing radio stations, Fox Noise, the Wall Street Journal etc., not apart of the media? The right-wing media could't stop talking about Benghazi and Sandy -- and blaming Obama for both. These are the same media outlets which brag about how their ratings are much better than their "mainstream" counterparts, so I fail to see how they couldn't get their message out. Maybe, just maybe, people don't believe the right-wing spin for they can plainly see with their own eyes the difference between the responses to Katrina/Sandy.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 12:06 PM Huh? Says:

Reply to #71  
Ulysses Says:

In 2008, I voted for Obama in the Democratic primary, as I couldn't stand Hillary Clinton. However, in the general election, I voted for John McCain, as I always respected him, and followed his career, over many years. There were certain issues that I had with Obama, at that time. However, this time, I voted for Obama, as I was not thrilled with some of the people who backed him, such as former Secretary of State James Baker (who is no friend of Yidden), or John Sununu, (who is also no friend of ours). Even Ehud Barak, the most heavily decorated soldier in the IDF, had nothing but praise for Obama, and that was good enough for me. The latter being said, I want to correct something which keeps appearing on this site, which is the nonsense about Romney "only paying 14% on his capital gains". The latter is the law, and is written into the IRS code, to help stimulate investment. I only pay 14% on my capital gains. Therefore, stop trying to imply that Romney has somehow pulled a fast one! His tax returns were perfectly legal, whether anyone likes them or not. This is America, and he is free to earn $20,000,000 or $1,000,000,000. Case closed!

Is there really anyone that accepts your opinion because you say "case closed".
You might want to consider that people allow the the conversation to end because you come off like am uninformed, insecure jerk.
case closed, I think not.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 12:09 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #76  
shalomke Says:

obama is responsible for the hurricane sandy disaster and aftermath. Had the media focused on the devastation in NY and NJ,the gas shortage, lack of power, food etc. with even half of the intensity they did during Katrina, Obama would have lost in a landslide. Instead, they showed pictures of him touring in a helicopter, doing nothing, accomplishing nothing, but enough to show that he's in charge. No focus on the zero accomplishments of government and FEMA in helping people recover.
In short Obama won because of 3 reasons...The Media, The Media, The Media.

I hope you continue with your tirade but it was the disgust with radical spin , twisting of truth and hallow statements and the return to the religious bias from which I escaped which elected the President. Funny when it is convinient you quote the "founding fathers" but they were not born again christians or radicals but tolerant intellectuals foreign to you

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 12:16 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #76  
shalomke Says:

obama is responsible for the hurricane sandy disaster and aftermath. Had the media focused on the devastation in NY and NJ,the gas shortage, lack of power, food etc. with even half of the intensity they did during Katrina, Obama would have lost in a landslide. Instead, they showed pictures of him touring in a helicopter, doing nothing, accomplishing nothing, but enough to show that he's in charge. No focus on the zero accomplishments of government and FEMA in helping people recover.
In short Obama won because of 3 reasons...The Media, The Media, The Media.

The utmost obscenity of this election is that one Jewish billionaire spent 53, yes fifty-three millions dollar some profit from overseas harlotry to defeat the President and failed. Sick minds and sick and depraved contributors

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 01:01 PM PMOinFL Says:

There are so many nutty comments, but the most nutty of them all involve blaming the so-called "mainstream media". Who makes up the "mainstream media"?

Let's look closely for a moment.

Who is the largest television news outlet? Fox News.
Who is the largest print news outlet? Wall Street Journal
Which "infotainment" program has the largest audience? Rush Limbaugh

So when you say "mainstream media", I guess we can assume that you are talking about Fox News, the Wall Street Journal and Rush? Hmmmm.... something's not adding up here.... LOL

America's idiot class (ie. those who listen to people like Rush and believe what he says is anything more than entertainment) once again proves themselves to be intellectually dysfunctional, and nothing more than the sad victims of the "infotainment" media and their propagandist mouthpieces (Rush, Hannity, Sharpton, Maddow, etc.).

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 01:07 PM shalomke Says:

Reply to #77  
Anonymous Says:

Why is it that you are smart enough to see through the "media" spin, but everyone else is not? Are the thousands of right-wing radio stations, Fox Noise, the Wall Street Journal etc., not apart of the media? The right-wing media could't stop talking about Benghazi and Sandy -- and blaming Obama for both. These are the same media outlets which brag about how their ratings are much better than their "mainstream" counterparts, so I fail to see how they couldn't get their message out. Maybe, just maybe, people don't believe the right-wing spin for they can plainly see with their own eyes the difference between the responses to Katrina/Sandy.

The right wing media only reaches a small percentage of the population. Most American's are clueless about the deficit, and Benghazi as the MSM choose not t report.
As for your statement about the differences between Sandy/Katrina, I totally agree. The response to Sandy has been far worse. At this point in Katrina power was on in more places then now, there were no 3 hour lines for gas, and money was already being given to victims from FEMA.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 01:30 PM A Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

Poor Mitt. Its a shame that American will never have had the chance to have Mitt Romney as president. This is likley the last person of that generation and of that calliber to ever have the chance to serve this great office. Axelrod used the stimulas money and outsmarted everyone by pounding that money into an early and strong ground game. Sometimes I just wish these smart commies would work for the better candidate. Oh well.. Love Mitt, will miss him... What a kind, humble, religious, fine family man. And clean to boot, never drank nor smoked.. Clean as whistle.. Would have been so proud to have him asthe father of the country.. Oh well.. What a shame.

"Humble"?!! The man is so arrogant he boasted that he didn't bother to write a concession speech. "Kind"?!! So kind that he disparaged nearly half of the population of the USA.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 01:34 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Wow! So bitter & angry towards a friendly & positive President! Me thinks some people need to quit being such sore losers & start getting behind their country a little more, instead of complaining about it so much! I mean gee, if nobody likes it here...there's the door! lol Nobody's forcing any of you to live here still!

Not to mention, maybe instead of being so bitter & angry...maybe it's time to do a little self-reflection on attitudes that cost you this election so badly to begin with!

Do some of you folks even HEAR yourselves?! You sound like Mitt Romney! LOL Accusing 1\2 of the country of being nothing but free-loaders who want gov't hand-outs...even though you all know people who use Section 8 housing, are on Food Stamps or receive some sort of gov't ran health care! So who are any of you fooling?!

Plus, the accusations are old & stale! I myself am a Liberal who voted for Barack Obama. But my husband & I receive ZERO gov't assistance! And my husband works his fingers to the bone as a Union Ironworker! Nobody "freeloads" at our house!

So obviously MY STORY pretty much proves people like YOU & Mitt Romney, WRONG! In fact, most of you were wrong about everything! You were wrong about Romney being the "better man" for the Presidency & you were wrong about the election being a "landslide" for Romney too!

Kicking the poor while they're down & calling them moochers when most of them probably work like slaves all day long, is NOT a winning argument to win a Presidency!

Sorry folks, but it's time some of you do a little self-reflection I think, and figure out what is more important to you! People in poverty & in pain... or your Capitalist beliefs?! Get some of your priorities in order for crying out loud! We are called to HELP our fellow countrymen! Not accuse them all of trying to "rob" you, just because they're asking for help!

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
shalomke Says:

The right wing media only reaches a small percentage of the population. Most American's are clueless about the deficit, and Benghazi as the MSM choose not t report.
As for your statement about the differences between Sandy/Katrina, I totally agree. The response to Sandy has been far worse. At this point in Katrina power was on in more places then now, there were no 3 hour lines for gas, and money was already being given to victims from FEMA.

At this point in Katrina, NO was completely empty of people. It would take many weeks before parts of the city were even marginally fit for habitation. There were no lines for gas, because no one was left in the affected areas. No problem getting gas if you were relocated in North Dakota (no choice about where you were sent) with no car and only the clothes on your back. As bad as Sandy has been and as much as those affected are suffering, to compare Katrina and Sandy is ridiculous. Katrina was orders of magnitude worse. Sandy had about 40,000 people displaced, with most/all temporarily relocated elsewhere in NY/NJ. Katrina displaced 500,000 people in NO alone, plus more on the Gulf Coast, with people relocated all over the US far from their families, many with no way to get back. About 100 people lost their lives in Sandy, and we mourn them all. Close to 1300 people lost their lives in Katrina. Many throughout the country disrespected and mocked those affected by Katrina for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps with no federal help. Now we hear major kvetching from NY/NJ for much less than Katrina-ites suffered. FEMA post-Katrina, like pulling teeth.

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 Nov 09, 2012 at 03:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
shalomke Says:

The right wing media only reaches a small percentage of the population. Most American's are clueless about the deficit, and Benghazi as the MSM choose not t report.
As for your statement about the differences between Sandy/Katrina, I totally agree. The response to Sandy has been far worse. At this point in Katrina power was on in more places then now, there were no 3 hour lines for gas, and money was already being given to victims from FEMA.

Small percentage?

Limbaugh alone claims he has 15 million listeners; all 3 major networks combined don't have that kind of viewership for their news programs. Limbaugh and his copycat wannabees carnival barkers, are on thousands of stations 24 hours a day. The major networks are on a half hour a day. Fox has better ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined. The WSJ has better circulation than the NYT. Small percentage of the population? What are you smoking?

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM Asian Former American Says:

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TexasJew Says:

#'s 1 thru 54 Monday morning quarterbacks.

No, I ran with the ball to the right zone :). I came here for other things but since all most people will be able to afford in the US is dollar store merchandise, it just may pay for me to send a couple of hundred containers of dollar store type footballs to your sporting goods stores over there, if they can pay the only terms I would ever give an Obama-era chain or private retailer - COB - Cash On The Barrelhead :).

As for my citizenship, I am replacing it with one that is as stable as American but with less danger of terror aimed my way. And US citizenship costs me a pretty penny. The Americans are so desperate that they'll want to get their grubby hands on my day to day personal account where I am under the FECAL act or whatever it is called that forces foreign banks to report American citizen account holders even if they live abroad. By the time they enforce it, I'll have gone to the embassy and handed them my last fees ($470!) to renounce my liability as a citizen of a once-great nation that is now a sinking Titanic.

EY better get itself off the deck before Obama rearranges its chair.

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