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Orange County, NY - To Protest “Zionist Interests”, Many Kiryas Joel Residents Voted Obama

Published on: November 11, 2012 12:50 PM
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AP 2010 File Photo: Voters mingle at a polling station in Kiryas Joel, N.Y.AP 2010 File Photo: Voters mingle at a polling station in Kiryas Joel, N.Y.

Orange County, NY - For many Orthodox Jewish voters who cast their ballot for him, Mitt Romney’s support for Israel was considered a plus, particularly in contrast to President Obama’s tepid support of America’s only Democratic ally in the Middle East.

But in Kiryas Joel, a village founded by staunch, anti-Zionist leader Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, residents say they were told to vote for Obama. “We were unofficially told to vote for Obama because Romney is pro-Israel,” one villager told the New York Post (http://bit.ly/SV97Po).

Shimon Rolnitzky, a Satmar Chassid said, “Some people voted for Obama to make a statement that they disagree with what they believe are unfair attacks against the president by Zionist interests.”

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As previously reported on VIN News, Satmar Jews were instructed by the Grand Rebbe Rabbi Aron Teitelbaum at last year’s annual Satmar dinner to show support for Obama. “We enjoy freedom of speech and freedom of religion,” The Grand Rebbe said.  “But recently self-appointed Jewish leaders have gotten up and insulted the President in the worst way.  Their words have been broadcast on the radio and television and all the media.  Why should Jews come out in public with these sort of statements?  It is provoking the nations to hate us and it brings danger upon Jews not only here but all over the globe. We mustn’t forget that this is exile. Who knows what the effects of this irresponsible behavior could be?”

Thus far, the unofficial tally in Kiryas Joel shows Romney earned 1,904 votes of the 5,286 votes counted, while Obama won 1,442, a significant increase for Obama compared with 2008, which saw McCain take home around 90 percent of the village’s vote.


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 Nov 11, 2012 at 12:57 PM The Professor Says:

I would like to suggest that a Romney victory would have meant a reduction in aid to municipalities in order to keep taxes down for the wealthiest. It probably would have meant a reduction in Section-8 assistance to the many in the Satmar communities who are recipients of this subsidy. In the end, all politics are local. The protest against Zionist interests took a back to seat to Mi-sheluni paying market rents for the apartments they occupy.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Jews are their own worst enemy
The should all fast twice a week for a year and ask for forgivness

3

 Nov 11, 2012 at 12:56 PM ChaimTovim Says:

That's what you call self hatred...

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:00 PM Liepa Says:

Let's face it, they need their medicaid, welfare, food stamps and section 8. Nothing at all to do with Israel.
They're embarrassed to say the true reason why voting for Obamba, so grand rabbi Aaron came up with this excuse. Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:04 PM ShutUp Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Jews are their own worst enemy
The should all fast twice a week for a year and ask for forgivness

You mean if they would've voted Romney ?

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:07 PM LEEAVE Says:

Reply to #3  
ChaimTovim Says:

That's what you call self hatred...

Thats how u call it,
but ehrliche yiden call it, anti-zionist

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:11 PM ross Says:

Reply to #4  
Liepa Says:

Let's face it, they need their medicaid, welfare, food stamps and section 8. Nothing at all to do with Israel.
They're embarrassed to say the true reason why voting for Obamba, so grand rabbi Aaron came up with this excuse. Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone!

You have Einsteins chochma .

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:14 PM Aryeh Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Jews are their own worst enemy
The should all fast twice a week for a year and ask for forgivness

I agree, the Zionists should fast...

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:30 PM anonymous23 Says:

Next time they come to LA for Tzedkah we will show them the door!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:17 PM LEEAVE Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Jews are their own worst enemy
The should all fast twice a week for a year and ask for forgivness

u sound like a much bigger hater u should fast every single day,,

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:30 PM Americafirst Says:

Look,frum Jews in the last few years became increasingly very outspoken about Israel.At one time we know that it is AIPAC the politicians are afraid of which made sense because the money rich American secular Jews give them.But now its Jews from Brooklyn,Queens, Upper west Side who are making every election about Israel which is a great chilul hashem.Anyways, no matter who is President the US remains a friend of Israel so why make noise?Israel are big boys why do they care what the president of the USA says.
Comes to show you that you cant go against Hashgacha Pratis and we were not sent to exile becuase we lost to the romans but becuase Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu till the coming of Moshiach.The creation of the state of Israel was and still is the greatest tragedy that happened to Jews in every way.Israel is the least safest place to live in. Close to thirty thousand Jews were killed in Israel since its creation it doesn't matter that many were killed in wars it matters that its Jews who were killed.Yeah i know its not popular what i say but its the truth.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:56 PM sometimes you have to use saychil... Says:

Let's see....


Do we vote for someone who OMG!!!! "supports" Israel? .....


Or do we vote for a party whose platform is "pro" everything the Torah in parshas Achray Mos & K'doshim is AGAINST??

So these hassids are in bed with those who support all toayvas. Thank G-d you suckers are in Socialist NY state.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:02 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #4  
Liepa Says:

Let's face it, they need their medicaid, welfare, food stamps and section 8. Nothing at all to do with Israel.
They're embarrassed to say the true reason why voting for Obamba, so grand rabbi Aaron came up with this excuse. Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone!

They are an embarassment ? You too, you voted for a voice to Santorum prmised by Romney , Mr. Santorum promised to eliminate the separation between Church and State and this whixch gave Hittler thepower to rise fueled by Catholic antisemites, big business Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben and all other religous Christian riff raff and of course the fine specimen Mr. Adelson , Jewish day school aRE lacking funds and he spent 53 million dollars on various candidates , corrupt Gingrich, et al and of course his profits from harlotry are glatt koshes of course it is the liberal leftists gays and other degenrates we should eliminate, maybe gass them? How about Liepa

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:05 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #9  
anonymous23 Says:

Next time they come to LA for Tzedkah we will show them the door!

i am just wondering how much Tzedukeh you ever gave for Satmar.?
Satmar has never and will never change their position on Zionism because of donors threats. Satmar had more enemies in the 50s and 60s then you can imagine and b"h flourished to over 100,000 chasidim. We have plenty of donors in NY and thru out the jewish world who support evrey yiddishe cause. By the way we have a Satmara chusid in Jail because he dosent want to masser on LA yidden . So please think twice before you SHOW the door...

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:06 PM MONTREALYID Says:

To me and other Jews who think of Israel and formost these creatures dont amount to a hill of beans.

They are first and formost schnorrers who peddle some strange Judaism, that has nothing to do with Yiddishkeit, for Yiddishkeit goes hand in hand with menchlichkeit, which they obviously lack.

Remind me never ever to give them a dime. As a matter of fact I shall never ever give them a thought.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:16 PM ALTERG Says:

Reply to #9  
anonymous23 Says:

Next time they come to LA for Tzedkah we will show them the door!

& next time when isreal come bagging $$ from usa we will also show them the door, (hope obama sould already stop the sending money)

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:23 PM Sherree Says:

It is so sad that people, our people, can being burying their heads in the sand on any and all issues and turn anything around to serve their own agenda. This Rabbi is concerned about what was said about the president???? What is he not concerned about what the president said about the Jews?

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:23 PM ChachoMoe Says:

" It is provoking the nations to hate us and it brings danger upon Jews not only here but all over the globe. We mustn’t forget that this is exile."

Hmm although I hear the concept of the revered late rabbi Joel Teitlebaum ZL, regarding Israel and being in exile. However, what I fail to comprehend is do we need to actually bring this "exile" upon ourselves?!

Yes, there is freedom of speech and etc. and you should indeed utilize it what you feel fit within the boundaries of law. There is nothing that conflicts the fact that we are in exile, with what some feelings we have personally against Obama (i.e. NOT the USA in itself), especially when many Americans feel the same way!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:22 PM abuezri Says:

Nothing like Jews acting to put other Jews at risk. And they have the חוצפה to question how Kastner acted with the train (which saved the Satmar rebbe, btw, who evidently didn't mind ציונים when it was expedient).

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:33 PM TruthBeTold Says:

This comment will most likely never be posted on VIN, but I'll try anyway. Among Jews, two groups with similar ideologies are the hard core supporters of Obama - Satmar and Reform. Both of these groups may claim to be opposing Zionism, but in reality they're both strongly opposing the first Rashi in the Torah: "Hashem created the Earth and gave the Land of Israel to the Jews."

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:41 PM enlightened-yid Says:

K.J. is one of the most poorest counties in America and heaviest burden on NY State in welfare support. The Grand Rebbe there is not a wizard, but understands that government aid is critical to the survival of his community. All the fantasy anti-Zionist considerations is just smoke screen. No rabbi is insane enough to admit that the reason he ordered his flock to vote for Obama is for government aid.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 01:42 PM ChareidiMan Says:

listen you gotta respect people that follow what they were thought. The Holy Satmar rabbi's whole life was to demonstrate against zionisim (in his own words), and Kol Hakavod to his followers for listening to him.

Like it or not, if this was his daas Torah, then his followers must abide by it.

Medicade and food stamps conversation does not belong here, its neither here or there, the entire kolel system in lakewood is not much better and i dont hear anyone question BMG about it.

Finally no one should have to answer why they voted for someone or who they voted for. Simcha Felder voted WITH Bloombers against Metzizah Bpeh and EVERY Rabbi endor$$ed him , enough $aid

23

 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:21 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #9  
anonymous23 Says:

Next time they come to LA for Tzedkah we will show them the door!

I dont get it. Obama is the most ZIONIST president in USA history. The only president who refuses to give back land to the arabs. Bibi Netanyahu gave back Hebron, and agreeed to painfull concession of 85% of the west Bank to the arabs. Only Obama havnt given cak land??

24

 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:36 PM ShaloiOsaniGay Says:

Reply to #9 Next time you come to NY they'll show you Chesed!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:37 PM CSLMoish Says:

Anyone who votes Democrat even on a state, county level should be Pasul edes

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:51 PM Halaivy Says:

All the Rebe said is that the issue of Israel has nothing to do with Jews which is their Halachag line and they didn't take it into account while casting their vote.
Still if you are a frum Jew of any type Satmar will help you with your Chesed organizations like Rubashkin who is Chabad got full support from Satmar and their Bikur Cholim helps any frum Jew even the Zionists.

27

 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Americafirst Says:

Look,frum Jews in the last few years became increasingly very outspoken about Israel.At one time we know that it is AIPAC the politicians are afraid of which made sense because the money rich American secular Jews give them.But now its Jews from Brooklyn,Queens, Upper west Side who are making every election about Israel which is a great chilul hashem.Anyways, no matter who is President the US remains a friend of Israel so why make noise?Israel are big boys why do they care what the president of the USA says.
Comes to show you that you cant go against Hashgacha Pratis and we were not sent to exile becuase we lost to the romans but becuase Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu till the coming of Moshiach.The creation of the state of Israel was and still is the greatest tragedy that happened to Jews in every way.Israel is the least safest place to live in. Close to thirty thousand Jews were killed in Israel since its creation it doesn't matter that many were killed in wars it matters that its Jews who were killed.Yeah i know its not popular what i say but its the truth.

You are a fool!!! And some other things which I can say. Have you ever gone to Israel? Guess not becuase you don't believe in it. Let me guess your. "St marry" satmar in english. What kind of jew calls himself st marry. Somehting wrong with this picture perhaps your not jewish.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:56 PM thegreatone Says:

Reply to #20  
TruthBeTold Says:

This comment will most likely never be posted on VIN, but I'll try anyway. Among Jews, two groups with similar ideologies are the hard core supporters of Obama - Satmar and Reform. Both of these groups may claim to be opposing Zionism, but in reality they're both strongly opposing the first Rashi in the Torah: "Hashem created the Earth and gave the Land of Israel to the Jews."

Yes and you don't know that we daven every youm tov Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu because of their sins the Jewish people went into exile from the Land of Israel .It belongs to hashem and when we behaved he gave it to us we sinned he kicked us into exile.

29

 Nov 11, 2012 at 02:59 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #13  
Kzler Says:

They are an embarassment ? You too, you voted for a voice to Santorum prmised by Romney , Mr. Santorum promised to eliminate the separation between Church and State and this whixch gave Hittler thepower to rise fueled by Catholic antisemites, big business Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben and all other religous Christian riff raff and of course the fine specimen Mr. Adelson , Jewish day school aRE lacking funds and he spent 53 million dollars on various candidates , corrupt Gingrich, et al and of course his profits from harlotry are glatt koshes of course it is the liberal leftists gays and other degenrates we should eliminate, maybe gass them? How about Liepa

Not sure what you're ranting and raving about, just didn't realize you desperation for food stamps!

30

 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
MONTREALYID Says:

To me and other Jews who think of Israel and formost these creatures dont amount to a hill of beans.

They are first and formost schnorrers who peddle some strange Judaism, that has nothing to do with Yiddishkeit, for Yiddishkeit goes hand in hand with menchlichkeit, which they obviously lack.

Remind me never ever to give them a dime. As a matter of fact I shall never ever give them a thought.

The people in kj have a lot more menshlichkeit than anyone I know

31

 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:04 PM anonymous23 Says:

Satmars don't like to hear that Yoel Mi Satmar was saved by Zionist, while R, Yoel told many of his Chasisidm to rather stay in Hungary then go to Israel.

32

 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
anonymous23 Says:

Next time they come to LA for Tzedkah we will show them the door!

If u love israel so much why dont u move there? Anyway the polls show most in kj still voted for romney so I dont get the point of this article

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

I dont get it. Obama is the most ZIONIST president in USA history. The only president who refuses to give back land to the arabs. Bibi Netanyahu gave back Hebron, and agreeed to painfull concession of 85% of the west Bank to the arabs. Only Obama havnt given cak land??

Keep dreaming.

34

 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:17 PM nebech1234 Says:

I think the Rabeini Yole. Would rather vote for anti Gay vs zionist

There is no leader that knows what to do when!!!

35

 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:21 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Jews are their own worst enemy
The should all fast twice a week for a year and ask for forgivness

I voted against Romeny for his promise that Mr. Santorum will have a voice in his administration. His voice accused me of deicide when I attended grammar school in Europe. Ihr habt den Heiland getoetet you kiiled our savior. Lueger an AUSTRIAN Catholic was the mentor of Hitler, in 1945 catholic bishops arranged the escape of Mengele and Eichmann from Rome. A British Catholic Bishop named Williamson denied the existence of the gas chambers. In 1948 Cardinal Segurra of Spain called for a new crusade against Israel. Catholics have now some of the most antisemitic voices on the air. Your candidate advocated Mr. Santorum's voice and you should fast for your ignorance of advocating this degenerated vote and so should Mr. Adelson your friend.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:29 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #12  
sometimes you have to use saychil... Says:

Let's see....


Do we vote for someone who OMG!!!! "supports" Israel? .....


Or do we vote for a party whose platform is "pro" everything the Torah in parshas Achray Mos & K'doshim is AGAINST??

So these hassids are in bed with those who support all toayvas. Thank G-d you suckers are in Socialist NY state.

Thank G-d you suckers are in a Socialist NY State" Thank Hashem we live in NY,NJ.Ct.Mass.Cal. etc Socialist/Democrat States. Where are you from: Wyoming? Nebraska? So Carolina? Louisiana? Missouri? No Dakota? Missisipi? Alabama? Are in your state still have the signs No Dogs No Jews Alowed. Thank Hashem we dont live in this Romney loving White Christian Male dominated States.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:31 PM shein Hoiech Says:

Do they think that obama hates a satmar less than a tziyoini?

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
TruthBeTold Says:

This comment will most likely never be posted on VIN, but I'll try anyway. Among Jews, two groups with similar ideologies are the hard core supporters of Obama - Satmar and Reform. Both of these groups may claim to be opposing Zionism, but in reality they're both strongly opposing the first Rashi in the Torah: "Hashem created the Earth and gave the Land of Israel to the Jews."

"Hashem created the earth and gave the Land of Israel to the Jews" Continue: And because our sins Hashem put us in Goles and have no right to it until Mesiach.

39

 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
MONTREALYID Says:

To me and other Jews who think of Israel and formost these creatures dont amount to a hill of beans.

They are first and formost schnorrers who peddle some strange Judaism, that has nothing to do with Yiddishkeit, for Yiddishkeit goes hand in hand with menchlichkeit, which they obviously lack.

Remind me never ever to give them a dime. As a matter of fact I shall never ever give them a thought.

In the middle of all the abuse we heap on Satmar, most of it quite deserved, let us remember one thing that they do, which is quite praiseworthy, and that is the facilities and food they provider to sick frum Jews in hospitals, at least that I have noticed in Brooklyn.

So the one thing we should not do is say they lack menchlichkeit.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
TruthBeTold Says:

This comment will most likely never be posted on VIN, but I'll try anyway. Among Jews, two groups with similar ideologies are the hard core supporters of Obama - Satmar and Reform. Both of these groups may claim to be opposing Zionism, but in reality they're both strongly opposing the first Rashi in the Torah: "Hashem created the Earth and gave the Land of Israel to the Jews."

"Supporters of Obama - Satmar and reform" Nebach. 78% of yews voted Obama, there are verry few reform there. you are making Satmar bigger that they are. 95% of Lubavitch voted Obama. The reason is that the rebbe was against giving back land. Bibi gave back Hebron. Obama is the only president who didnt force them to give back land. They not saying it openly since they getting a lot of money from Adelson plus the Chritian Evangelists. Satmar doesnt take money from noreligios or Christian so they alowed to admit it. Most Yeshivish also voted Obama. They have big families and nead everithyng they can get.Section 8,Food Stamp, Medicaid etc. You cant support a large family on athe wifes income. Not voting for Obama would be coffu Tayv and Frumm yeshivaleit wouldnt do it. They are afraid to say it openly Might loose some support in the rich yidden.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:48 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #23  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

I dont get it. Obama is the most ZIONIST president in USA history. The only president who refuses to give back land to the arabs. Bibi Netanyahu gave back Hebron, and agreeed to painfull concession of 85% of the west Bank to the arabs. Only Obama havnt given cak land??

What part of "lets go back to the 1967 borders" did you not understand???

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 03:49 PM enlightened-yid Says:

On another note it is entertaining as always to watch religious fundamentalists abuse the same holy book to invent beliefs they staunchly support. Observation:
One group of frum Jews in 5 Towns are ready to move to settlements in Israel because they think Obama is existential threat to Israel's existence. Romney's defeat was like mass Shiva on Long Island. Chossids with their "anti-Zionist" fanaticism use the same holy book to make political decisions and in this case voted for Obama because they think he is anti-Israel and that will save the world. The third frum group from all 5 boroughs ran to vote for Romney because their rabbis have terrorized them with the idea that there will be more destructive hurricanes everywhere because Obama supports gay marriage. Now they invent direct scientific Torah link between natural disasters and gay marriage. Apparently in Sodom and Gemora there was a national movement to legalize gay marriage.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 04:16 PM Pops Says:

The medinah as a political entity is not the issue. What about the millions of Jews -- Satmar chasisdim among them -- who live within Ertetz Yisrael? Shouldn't the voters in Kiryas Yoel be concerned about Jews in Israel who may be in peril without American support?

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 04:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Aryeh Says:

I agree, the Zionists should fast...

Their vote was completely meaningless. NYS was going for Hussein Obama with or without their paltry votes.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 04:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Aryeh Says:

I agree, the Zionists should fast...

Their vote was completely meaningless. NYS was going for Hussein Obama with or without their paltry votes.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 05:04 PM VoiceOfReason613 Says:

People who think President Obama has a negative attitude toward Israel should consider the following:

Obama has taken many positive actions for Israel including: rejecting the Goldstone report that criticized Israeli actions in the war in Gaza; asking Congress to approve a $205 million package to help Israel build a new anti-missile defense system; successfully advocating for Israel’s admission into the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development; giving a speech in the heart of the Arab world, in which he told his listeners that they need to recognize the legitimacy of a Jewish state; stating to the UN General Assembly clearly and unequivocally that “Israel is a sovereign state and the historic homeland of the Jewish people” and “It should be clear to all that efforts to chip away at Israel’s legitimacy will only be met by the unshakeable opposition of the US.”

Israeli leaders, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have stated many times that the U.S. has been extremely cooperative in meeting Israel’s security needs.

Another example of Obama’s strong support for Israel is his very positive response to a frantic, middle-of-the-night call from Israeli Prime Min

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 05:07 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #37  
shein Hoiech Says:

Do they think that obama hates a satmar less than a tziyoini?

"Do you think obama hates satmer less" Move on. Obama von the election with the help of 7 yidden his closest advisors. Jack Lew a frumme shomer shabbos Yid. Obama is more Zionist than Netanyahu. Bibi gave back Hebron. Under Obama not one inch land was give back. Why Satmer voted for him? I dont get it. But 75% of the yiden who voted for him are understanding this.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 05:11 PM shalomke Says:

I think most people fail to see the obvious here, and that is that in spite of explicit instructions by their grand Rabbi, an overwhelming majority of Satmar used their own mind and joined the rest of the Frum community in doing the right thing, voting for Romney.
Bottom line, the vast majority of Frum people, save a few extremists on this site, voted Romney.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 05:16 PM P. Lam Says:

Reply to #9  
anonymous23 Says:

Next time they come to LA for Tzedkah we will show them the door!

It is more shocking that Romney had 1,904 ! votes in KY, he shhould of have a maximum of 10 votes, after what this off note Netanyahu did to our president! Hopefully the oposition in israel wakes up! and sends this looser packing soon, what goes around comes around. stop being sour loosers.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 05:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
enlightened-yid Says:

K.J. is one of the most poorest counties in America and heaviest burden on NY State in welfare support. The Grand Rebbe there is not a wizard, but understands that government aid is critical to the survival of his community. All the fantasy anti-Zionist considerations is just smoke screen. No rabbi is insane enough to admit that the reason he ordered his flock to vote for Obama is for government aid.

"“K.J. is one of the most poorest counties in America and heaviest burden on NY State in welfare support"

Poor on paper only. There are more Wolfe ovens, granite counter tops, kohler plumbing and top of the line appliances in KJ than anywhere else in NY. Poor on paper and section 8 in KJ would be a dream for most people. My husband can't keep up with all the Sub Zero refrigerators he sells to KJ. And it's all cash!!!!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 06:17 PM esther Says:

Reply to #11  
Americafirst Says:

Look,frum Jews in the last few years became increasingly very outspoken about Israel.At one time we know that it is AIPAC the politicians are afraid of which made sense because the money rich American secular Jews give them.But now its Jews from Brooklyn,Queens, Upper west Side who are making every election about Israel which is a great chilul hashem.Anyways, no matter who is President the US remains a friend of Israel so why make noise?Israel are big boys why do they care what the president of the USA says.
Comes to show you that you cant go against Hashgacha Pratis and we were not sent to exile becuase we lost to the romans but becuase Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu till the coming of Moshiach.The creation of the state of Israel was and still is the greatest tragedy that happened to Jews in every way.Israel is the least safest place to live in. Close to thirty thousand Jews were killed in Israel since its creation it doesn't matter that many were killed in wars it matters that its Jews who were killed.Yeah i know its not popular what i say but its the truth.

hmm,how many jews were killed in europe in the last century?

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 06:24 PM esther Says:

Reply to #28  
thegreatone Says:

Yes and you don't know that we daven every youm tov Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu because of their sins the Jewish people went into exile from the Land of Israel .It belongs to hashem and when we behaved he gave it to us we sinned he kicked us into exile.

Ok fine but regardless of zionism or not,there are 6 million jews,including many satmer,living there. why don't you want them to be safe and secure?

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 06:29 PM esther Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

"Hashem created the earth and gave the Land of Israel to the Jews" Continue: And because our sins Hashem put us in Goles and have no right to it until Mesiach.

open up a chumash braishis and read the first rashi if yu'd like to learn the REAL quote.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 06:36 PM esther Says:

Reply to #47  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Do you think obama hates satmer less" Move on. Obama von the election with the help of 7 yidden his closest advisors. Jack Lew a frumme shomer shabbos Yid. Obama is more Zionist than Netanyahu. Bibi gave back Hebron. Under Obama not one inch land was give back. Why Satmer voted for him? I dont get it. But 75% of the yiden who voted for him are understanding this.

so,are you thinking that the more you repeat your "facts",the more true they'll become ? you keep repeating the same fantasies over and over again.enough already.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 06:47 PM bklnkid Says:

Reply to #9  
anonymous23 Says:

Next time they come to LA for Tzedkah we will show them the door!

Just an FYI, when it came to give tzdaka, Satmar Ruv gave to everyone even to zionist causes!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 06:51 PM itzik2945 Says:

#34 Thats why 56% in KJ voted for romney.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 07:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Americafirst Says:

Look,frum Jews in the last few years became increasingly very outspoken about Israel.At one time we know that it is AIPAC the politicians are afraid of which made sense because the money rich American secular Jews give them.But now its Jews from Brooklyn,Queens, Upper west Side who are making every election about Israel which is a great chilul hashem.Anyways, no matter who is President the US remains a friend of Israel so why make noise?Israel are big boys why do they care what the president of the USA says.
Comes to show you that you cant go against Hashgacha Pratis and we were not sent to exile becuase we lost to the romans but becuase Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu till the coming of Moshiach.The creation of the state of Israel was and still is the greatest tragedy that happened to Jews in every way.Israel is the least safest place to live in. Close to thirty thousand Jews were killed in Israel since its creation it doesn't matter that many were killed in wars it matters that its Jews who were killed.Yeah i know its not popular what i say but its the truth.

#27 was too kind when he called you a fool. When אחינו בני ישראל are in danger, you consider it "a great chilul hashem" to vote for their interests? Or, do you really believe that the ישוב there would be better off without a state? Get real! And who told you that "no matter who is President the US remains a friend of Israel"? Are you saying the foreign policy of the US could never be influenced by a שונא ישראל? And when you say that "Israel is the least safest place to live in" (I assume you mean least safe) because "close to thirty thousand Jews were killed in Israel since its creation", you are probably not aware that six million in a few years in Europe is greater than 30,000 in 65 years. (I'm not belittling the loss of even one precious נשמה, but where would כלל ישראל be without the State?). I agree with you on one point. What you say is "not popular", but at the same time, it is not "the truth". It is outright nonsense!!!!!!!!!!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 07:14 PM Anonymous Says:

As someone who is neither chassidishe or a resident of NY/NJ, I find this conversation fascinating on many levels. It highlights the misinformation that seems to be rampant in the frum community - many voted for Romney because they think he supports their values, when he is opposed to as many Torah values as he claims to support. Others apparently voted for Obama because they falsely believe he is anti-Zionist, when he has the same policies as the Republicans. Some of these who voted for Obama did so because of the influence of a religious leader; however, the Democratic party supports separation of religion and state while the Republican party largely opposes it (as long as the religion is christian). The blue states have the highest levels of income and education, and pay more in tax than they receive, while Romney won most of the states with the lowest levels of economic productivity and education, and the highest levels of federal support, yet frum Jews living in the blue states ignore what surrounds them and claim Democrats take handouts. I was raised thinking Jews were smart and education - I am disappointed in us.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 07:36 PM common-sense Says:

Reply to #6  
LEEAVE Says:

Thats how u call it,
but ehrliche yiden call it, anti-zionist

All of these Satmar types who voted for Obama because of his hostile policy toward Israel have no idea what thehy are talking about and are totally ignorant of Rav Yoeli, ZT'L's shita. Yes, he was anti-Zionist with every fiber of his being. But he also said that any Goy who does not support the State of Israel is an anti-Semite.

His reasoning was simple. We Jews have a Torah and some hold, as the Rebbe did, that there should not be a State of Israel at the present time. But this has nothing to do with Goyim, who do not follow our Torah. The Rebbe. ZT'L understood that, as far as Goyim are concerned, those who are hostile to Israel are not doing it because of the Satmar Rebbe's Shita, but because they are hostile to Jews.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 08:10 PM brooklynjew Says:

The great satmar rav z"l was once visited by a gentile politician seeking votes, the goy wanted to show the rebbe how fond he is of the jewish people, so he began praising the israeli goverment...it was to late for the people in the room to stop him, however, to the surprise of everyone , the rebbe smiled and gave him a warm blessing...after he left, the rebbe explained to the bewildered chassidim as follows, regardless of our opinion that the state of israel is prohibited by the torah

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 08:27 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #52  
esther Says:

Ok fine but regardless of zionism or not,there are 6 million jews,including many satmer,living there. why don't you want them to be safe and secure?

"Why dont you want them to be safe and secure" Weall want the yidden in Eretz Yisroel be sahe and secure. Satmar,Chabad,Lakewood,Less frumm etc That is exactly why we 75% of yidden voted for Obama. He has 7 jewish close advisers, under his 4 years no land was given back, and no suiciede bombing. Why would you rather vote for a Republican surranded with goyim With the Reppublican history of eight years of Bush. Weekly suicide bombings hundred of yiddische dead. Land given back Gush Katif Jews removed from their homes etc.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 08:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
esther Says:

so,are you thinking that the more you repeat your "facts",the more true they'll become ? you keep repeating the same fantasies over and over again.enough already.

So lets hear your true facts? President Obama Gave back the Sinai, Hebron, Gush Katif Right? Under President Obama there were and continue weekly suicide bombings in Eretz Yisroel? You have a serios problem mixing up Bibi Netanjahu with Obama. Just one more fact for you President Obama got 75% of the jewish vote. Prime minister Bibi Netanyahu on the last election got only 42% of the jewish vote. If you cant have a computer home since the ASIFA forbid that go to a library and check it out. Google Bibi/Hebron, % Jewish Vote/Bibi, % jewish vote Obama and on. Gush Katif etc

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 08:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

As someone who is neither chassidishe or a resident of NY/NJ, I find this conversation fascinating on many levels. It highlights the misinformation that seems to be rampant in the frum community - many voted for Romney because they think he supports their values, when he is opposed to as many Torah values as he claims to support. Others apparently voted for Obama because they falsely believe he is anti-Zionist, when he has the same policies as the Republicans. Some of these who voted for Obama did so because of the influence of a religious leader; however, the Democratic party supports separation of religion and state while the Republican party largely opposes it (as long as the religion is christian). The blue states have the highest levels of income and education, and pay more in tax than they receive, while Romney won most of the states with the lowest levels of economic productivity and education, and the highest levels of federal support, yet frum Jews living in the blue states ignore what surrounds them and claim Democrats take handouts. I was raised thinking Jews were smart and education - I am disappointed in us.

Thank You, what a great and true report. Please dont be disappointed in us. Remember the vast majority of jews are smart and educated. Most of us live in blue states.75% voted Democrat. Its true there are some of us misinformed but it is a very small number. Even the 25% of the jews who voted for Romney most of them because they are wealthy and Romney did promisse huge tax cuts, it has nothing to do with Israel. Its understandable.If i would earn a million plus i woud have voted republican too. Of course there is a very small fringe uneducated who voted for Romney for one reason only. My 84 year old jewish neighbor told me that he actualy likes more Obama but cant except a black man as his President. If he would shine his shoe he would give him a nice tip, he is such a nice men.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 08:58 PM Anonymous Says:

After reading this article and the postings above, I can only conclude that Teitelbaum is either misinformed or deliberately trying to sow the seeds of sinas chinam among klal yisroel. It is unspeakable to imagine that the rav would order his followers to oppose a Presidential candidate because they have provided moral and economic support to EY. Imagine how many lives of yidden have been saved simply through the existance of the medinah. I voted for Obama and was glad to see him re-elected as our President. However, I have respect for Romney and his unflinching support for EY. Teitelbaum's position is offensive at best and a chilul hashem at worst.

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 09:16 PM BaruchBendit Says:

Reply to #4  
Liepa Says:

Let's face it, they need their medicaid, welfare, food stamps and section 8. Nothing at all to do with Israel.
They're embarrassed to say the true reason why voting for Obamba, so grand rabbi Aaron came up with this excuse. Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone!

Section 8 . . . . . . . Ain't it great!
WIC and HEAT . . . . . Really neat!
Families First . . . . . Could be worse!

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 09:49 PM Reuvan_Nuchem Says:

איך האב געהערט נאכזאגען פון הייליגען "סאקמערער" רבי'ן זי"ע, אז מען האט עהם געזאגט אויף איינעם א קאנדידאט א "מעלה" אז ער איז אקעגען מדינת ישראל, האט ער געזאגט, אז ער איז א "שונא ישראל". – סוף דבר – א גוי וואס איז נישט קיין סימפאטיקער צו ציונים, איז אן אנטיסעמיט

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 Nov 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM Passaicguy Says:

Hitler was also anti Zionist, and yes jewish leaders said some nasty things about him also. So would the Satmar support Hitler? I guess so!

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 01:20 AM WhereWillUGO? Says:

Dear Reb Joel and Reb Zalman; Where will you and your chassidim run to when the tide turns and the anti Semitic heat turns up in Williamsburg and heilige upstate New York? You're not worried. You know what you'll do. You'll call your travel agent and buy up thousands of tickets to Israel. You know they will accept you with open arms. You're not losing any sleep because you know that the treife Zionist medina SAVED the life of Rav Yoel from the flames of the Holocaust even though you never acknowledge this when you educate your children. And you know that the awful terrible treife medina will save you and your chassidim because they believe that all Jews stand together. So isn't it time to stop all this anti-Israel nonsense and join your Jewish brothers in their common fate?

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 01:50 AM Greener Says:

Reply to #59  
common-sense Says:

All of these Satmar types who voted for Obama because of his hostile policy toward Israel have no idea what thehy are talking about and are totally ignorant of Rav Yoeli, ZT'L's shita. Yes, he was anti-Zionist with every fiber of his being. But he also said that any Goy who does not support the State of Israel is an anti-Semite.

His reasoning was simple. We Jews have a Torah and some hold, as the Rebbe did, that there should not be a State of Israel at the present time. But this has nothing to do with Goyim, who do not follow our Torah. The Rebbe. ZT'L understood that, as far as Goyim are concerned, those who are hostile to Israel are not doing it because of the Satmar Rebbe's Shita, but because they are hostile to Jews.

"But he [the Satmar Rebbe] also said that any Goy who does not support the State of Israel is an anti-Semite."
So how do you explain the Satmar chasidim who visited Arafat's grave yesterday in Ramalah on the occasion of his "Yahrzeit"? They have added that place to their list of Kivrei Tzadikim.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 02:15 AM Satmar Says:

Reply to #23  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

I dont get it. Obama is the most ZIONIST president in USA history. The only president who refuses to give back land to the arabs. Bibi Netanyahu gave back Hebron, and agreeed to painfull concession of 85% of the west Bank to the arabs. Only Obama havnt given cak land??

i guess ur uneducated, obama ordered israel to go back to 67 borders and give back all land they captured at 67 war including the kosel, but Bibi rejected it, satmar rebbe zt"l would have never voted for obama, he himself was saved by the zionists train and had no problem using protection by zionists

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 02:30 AM jewish vote Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

So lets hear your true facts? President Obama Gave back the Sinai, Hebron, Gush Katif Right? Under President Obama there were and continue weekly suicide bombings in Eretz Yisroel? You have a serios problem mixing up Bibi Netanjahu with Obama. Just one more fact for you President Obama got 75% of the jewish vote. Prime minister Bibi Netanyahu on the last election got only 42% of the jewish vote. If you cant have a computer home since the ASIFA forbid that go to a library and check it out. Google Bibi/Hebron, % Jewish Vote/Bibi, % jewish vote Obama and on. Gush Katif etc

and what kind of jewish vote he got ? reform jews with dogs, Romney got 85% of the Jewish Vote in israel that voted absentee , thats the real jewish vote that matters

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 03:22 AM TexasJew Says:

#63- well written. Total agreement.
Wealthy- Romney
Middle class- Obama
The poor- obvious

Little to do with Israel.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 04:24 AM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #4  
Liepa Says:

Let's face it, they need their medicaid, welfare, food stamps and section 8. Nothing at all to do with Israel.
They're embarrassed to say the true reason why voting for Obamba, so grand rabbi Aaron came up with this excuse. Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone!

yep you said it. some people would vote for hitler Y'Shmoi if he could give them all the programs.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 07:05 AM Yossel Says:

Reply to #67  
Passaicguy Says:

Hitler was also anti Zionist, and yes jewish leaders said some nasty things about him also. So would the Satmar support Hitler? I guess so!

It just so happens that Hitler y'm was very pro-Zionist. In earlier years, the Nazis seriously considered forced immigration of all Jews to EY. They even sent Eichmann to meet with Zionists in Haifa.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 08:20 AM UriLevi Says:

Reply to #6  
LEEAVE Says:

Thats how u call it,
but ehrliche yiden call it, anti-zionist

Ehrliche Yidden avoid conflicts with fellow Jews as much as humanly possible.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 09:30 AM yidelle Says:

Obama got 69 percent of the jewish votes he got less then 50% of the vote in kiryas yoel but you people condem the jews in kiryas yoel. Sinas Am Ha'aretz L'talmud Chuchem

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 09:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
TexasJew Says:

#63- well written. Total agreement.
Wealthy- Romney
Middle class- Obama
The poor- obvious

Little to do with Israel.

You ought to consider looking the electoral map. The wealthiest states and counties went heavily to Obama, while the poor states and counties went to Romney.

As for the Jews, there is an almost perfectly inverted correlation between religiosity and income. That is, the Jews who are the least religious tend to be the wealthiest among us. It is in the orthodox communities where there is rampant poverty and heavy reliance of the welfare system. Even within the orthodox community, the more progressive (modern orthodox), the better educated and wealthier they tend to be. With the exception of the Satmar, the Litvish/Charedi/Chassidic vote went heavily for Romney.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 09:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

As someone who is neither chassidishe or a resident of NY/NJ, I find this conversation fascinating on many levels. It highlights the misinformation that seems to be rampant in the frum community - many voted for Romney because they think he supports their values, when he is opposed to as many Torah values as he claims to support. Others apparently voted for Obama because they falsely believe he is anti-Zionist, when he has the same policies as the Republicans. Some of these who voted for Obama did so because of the influence of a religious leader; however, the Democratic party supports separation of religion and state while the Republican party largely opposes it (as long as the religion is christian). The blue states have the highest levels of income and education, and pay more in tax than they receive, while Romney won most of the states with the lowest levels of economic productivity and education, and the highest levels of federal support, yet frum Jews living in the blue states ignore what surrounds them and claim Democrats take handouts. I was raised thinking Jews were smart and education - I am disappointed in us.

Well said.

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 11:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
P. Lam Says:

It is more shocking that Romney had 1,904 ! votes in KY, he shhould of have a maximum of 10 votes, after what this off note Netanyahu did to our president! Hopefully the oposition in israel wakes up! and sends this looser packing soon, what goes around comes around. stop being sour loosers.

They were probably zaly's!

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 11:36 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #69  
Greener Says:

"But he [the Satmar Rebbe] also said that any Goy who does not support the State of Israel is an anti-Semite."
So how do you explain the Satmar chasidim who visited Arafat's grave yesterday in Ramalah on the occasion of his "Yahrzeit"? They have added that place to their list of Kivrei Tzadikim.

They are not satmar they are an extreme sect of Neturai Karata who were the same style clothing as satmar nothing to do with them sorry

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 03:46 PM Satumare Says:

To Anonymous no. 27. I assume you are a Chabadsker since you have a problem with people using "St." in the name of the place they may have come from. But even if you're not, your comment is incorrect.

My father A'H came from Satmar. He always said the name "Satmar" comes from the Romanian name of the city/town "Satu Mare" pronounced "sahtoo mahray" which means large village in English. Don't believe me? Try Google Translate and translate "sat" and "mare" from Romanian into English.

So - who is the fool?

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 05:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Americafirst Says:

Look,frum Jews in the last few years became increasingly very outspoken about Israel.At one time we know that it is AIPAC the politicians are afraid of which made sense because the money rich American secular Jews give them.But now its Jews from Brooklyn,Queens, Upper west Side who are making every election about Israel which is a great chilul hashem.Anyways, no matter who is President the US remains a friend of Israel so why make noise?Israel are big boys why do they care what the president of the USA says.
Comes to show you that you cant go against Hashgacha Pratis and we were not sent to exile becuase we lost to the romans but becuase Umipnei Chatoeinu Golinu Meiartzeinu till the coming of Moshiach.The creation of the state of Israel was and still is the greatest tragedy that happened to Jews in every way.Israel is the least safest place to live in. Close to thirty thousand Jews were killed in Israel since its creation it doesn't matter that many were killed in wars it matters that its Jews who were killed.Yeah i know its not popular what i say but its the truth.

It is the truth in your warped mistaken mind. You mention hachgacha pratis, well the birth of Israel was with the hand of Hashem. It wasn't by accident! It was a nace! The wars the Jews won, they should have lost as far as science is concerned. That too was a nace! So wake up Dude and smell the roses. We have our land back and we can provide for and protect our people. As history has shown, if we don't do it NO ONE ELSE WILL!

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 Nov 12, 2012 at 10:03 PM Lookagain Says:

Reply to #82  
Anonymous Says:

It is the truth in your warped mistaken mind. You mention hachgacha pratis, well the birth of Israel was with the hand of Hashem. It wasn't by accident! It was a nace! The wars the Jews won, they should have lost as far as science is concerned. That too was a nace! So wake up Dude and smell the roses. We have our land back and we can provide for and protect our people. As history has shown, if we don't do it NO ONE ELSE WILL!

Ever heard of "hinei Loy yunum veloy yishon shomer yisroel?" this self-assured stance of "kochi veotzem yudi" is exactly what the Satmar Rebbe z"l warned was inherent in zionism. Hashem protects His children according to His plan, state or no state. Thinking and declaring otherwise is pure kfirah.

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 Nov 13, 2012 at 12:24 AM proudAmerican Says:

In this entire forum nobody really gets it, even the satmara....
The issue is that RJC tried to paint obama as a anti-zionist anti-semite etc.. and the reason is simply because his opinion is not as hawkish & radical as the right wing israelis, unfortunately the right wing view was recently adopted in the chareidi community as well, as the biggest supporters of building on illegal settlements etc...
Obama is just following his predecessor George Bush to continue with a peace process, the radical government of bibi is ignoring it for every price & that includes the chareidim... every sane person who is not influenced by settler movement believe that this is greatest threat and danger for the Jews in Israel, besides the point that this is greatest hisgarus beumos (supported by the chareidim), so to argue that Obama is anti-israel because he wants to make peace is just ignorant insane.
Guys, for one moment take away all "love" for Israel for a second, and just think of the safety of the Jewish People, do we need to exchange blood for more land?
The last few years the image of Israel deteriorated drastically because of this big chilul hashem.
Thanks to satmar, they try 2 repair

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 Nov 13, 2012 at 12:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
common-sense Says:

All of these Satmar types who voted for Obama because of his hostile policy toward Israel have no idea what thehy are talking about and are totally ignorant of Rav Yoeli, ZT'L's shita. Yes, he was anti-Zionist with every fiber of his being. But he also said that any Goy who does not support the State of Israel is an anti-Semite.

His reasoning was simple. We Jews have a Torah and some hold, as the Rebbe did, that there should not be a State of Israel at the present time. But this has nothing to do with Goyim, who do not follow our Torah. The Rebbe. ZT'L understood that, as far as Goyim are concerned, those who are hostile to Israel are not doing it because of the Satmar Rebbe's Shita, but because they are hostile to Jews.

Interesting... u don't know a single vort of satmar rov, but something that sounds pro zionism that u believe,
as a satmar chosid I'm proclaiming this story never happened, doesnt have any source, and it doesn't even make sense,
Because by making protests in manhatten in front of millions on TV this story doesn't add up

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 Nov 13, 2012 at 08:22 AM The-Macher Says:

Reply to #81  
Satumare Says:

To Anonymous no. 27. I assume you are a Chabadsker since you have a problem with people using "St." in the name of the place they may have come from. But even if you're not, your comment is incorrect.

My father A'H came from Satmar. He always said the name "Satmar" comes from the Romanian name of the city/town "Satu Mare" pronounced "sahtoo mahray" which means large village in English. Don't believe me? Try Google Translate and translate "sat" and "mare" from Romanian into English.

So - who is the fool?

I am as "Chabadsker" as you can be - and you are 100% right. The "Sakmar"/ S.Mary business is completely off center. S Mary is Santa Maria or something similar in Romanian - I speak enough Latin-based languages to know without even looking that the Latin root for saint has an N in it, so Satu Mare could not possibly be S. Mary. Satu is related to civitas - city, and mare to the same root that gave us the word major.

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