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Brooklyn, NY - Unlicensed Counselor Found Guilty In Orthodox Abuse Trial; Faces 117 Years

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Brooklyn, NY -  A guilty verdict was handed down today in the emotionally grueling two-week sex abuse trial of Nechemya Weberman, 54, the Hasidic, unlicensed counselor who was accused of sexually abusing a now 18-year-old teen sent to him for psychological treatment over a three-year period beginning when she was 12.

In a packed courtroom, the jury of six men and six women found Weberman guilty on all 60 counts of sexual abuse and child endangerment — the most serious that he sexually assaulted the young woman over a sustained period of time from when she was 12 to 15 years old. The jury deliberated for a total of five hours over just two days.

Weberman faces a total of 117 years. Weberman was remanded and he will be sentenced before Brooklyn Supreme Court Justice John Ingram on January 9 at 10:00 AM. According to the NY Post his defense lawyer didn’t even bother asking for bail pending sentencing.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Defense attorney George Farkas said, “We firmly believe that the jury got an unfairly sanitized version of the facts. As a result, the truth did not come out, and the struggle clear an innocent man will continue in full force.”

The victim testified that the abuse took place dozens of times in Weberman’s Williamsburg home and office. Weberman testified that he “never, ever inappropriately touched” the girl. When asked by his attorney what he was “looking to do to her,” Weberman replied, “To save her life.”

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During the trial, a parade of witnesses took the stand to testify both for and against the teenage victim. Defense counsel tried to paint the victim as a heretic and “a free spirit”, claiming she only brought allegations against Weberman as revenge for trying to have her boyfriend arrested on statutory rape charges.

Weberman opted to take the stand in his own defense on Wednesday, in what many thought was a risky legal move.

According to the Wall Street Journal (http://on.wsj.com/11LiQf2), Weberman testified that he first began a career in counseling after helping a relative work through some marital issues. By the year 2000, Weberman said he was providing “rabbinical counseling” to people full-time, though he had not undergone any formal training to be a counselor, nor is he ordained as a rabbi. He testified that clients were referred to him from the Satmar Va’ad Ha’Tznius, a Hasidic modesty squad (http://bit.ly/UpRmXa).


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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:37 PM Dov77 Says:

Nebech!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:41 PM thegreatone Says:

hashem yerachem

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:

We are a group of 10 moms who have been praying non stop that he is proven guilty. This will protect our children and many others. Today is one of the best days of our lives. Thank you VIN for reporting this so quickly. Our kinder will be safe now and many others who have been abused will be coming forward shortly.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:43 PM A1826 Says:

This is a true Chanuka nes. Where the weak ones conquered the strong ones.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:43 PM yochtzel Says:

Ribona Shel Oilum, helf shoin Aleh Yidden!!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:46 PM Anonymous Says:

I wonder if the verdict will finally wipe the arrogant smirk off his face. All I can say is, I believe in this verdict and only Nechemia Weberman is responsible for the lives he ruined, including now, his wife and children and grandchildren. I hope people understand not to stigmatize his family and I hope his victim can find peace and move on with her life. Satmar needs to reevaluate how they go about life through this tragedy.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:46 PM Yanki Says:

Frum jew has no chance here. Move to Israel. Oh i m sorry satmer loves the USA

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:49 PM Dave Says:

He had no chance ever!
It's him against a girl
I'm telling you they decided on Friday to indite him but didnt want to dopers anti semetic

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:50 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Justice Brandeis famously said "Sunlight is the best disinfectant". Let us hope the light shed by this horrible incident makes the Hasidic world examine its shortcomings and correct them so children are protected and criminals are not.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM Facts1 Says:

Orthdox Jews dont stand a chance in court.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM Phineas Says:

All 60 counts. Up to 25 years on the most serious. If other sentences are consecutive it's basically a life sentence. That's assuming they don't prosecute him on his charity.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:52 PM YUDA20 Says:

I hope all Sex activists are happy, Now that all got what you wanted and have shown to the world how good you are why don't you get in involved in even more community work to help the Satmars.

We have lots of people in hospitals who need company, we have lots of poor family's who need assistance, ETC. ETC.

Come one all of you good people you've been so much help helping us getting rid from our molesters. please help us with all our other needs as well.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:54 PM Lokson-Dryer Says:

Dear VIN comment writers,
Before bashing Weberman, who in my opinion is innocent (due to the fact that there is no evidence that he did anything, and the fact that "none of the hundreds of other girls" that went to him for counseling had any issues. So its hard to believe that just one girl that has a revenge agenda here is telling the truth.....
In the times of Bais Din he would be innocent due to no aidim no evidence etc. So please keep cool with your comments, and before posting hate don't forget that your hate posts are read by thousands and will cause Chilul Hashem lets not let antisemi's write "even on Jewish VIN site the posts are all anti Weberman.......

Havei dun es kol haudum likaf Zchus.
Lo Samod al dam Rayeicho
Choised Biksheirm yioshcheinu Nuchush

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Let this be a lesson to any and all of these type of Yidden who think that they CAN GET OVER on the rest of us. Those days are over!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:55 PM ZoberaVesh Says:

Rachmono litzlon its a sad day for all of us observant Jews.We were all dragged into this by Jews from within who smeared us in the secular media that we are a cult

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:55 PM Geulah Says:

What does it all mean in the long run? Did justice prevail or did the animus toward everything Jewish tip the scales? Unfortunately we'll never know. I'm not a supporter of abusers and I think that this case stunk to the highest of heaven. I hope she sues them civilly and gets a load of money from the mosdos. I hope other mosdos examine their policies and really try to help and not cover up abuse. And more than anything else I hope that we, within the boundaries that HKBH gave us, allow our kids to grow up and become ehrliche Yidden.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:55 PM ChareidiMan Says:

Lets face it, even myself who has no doubt that the right verdict was handed down by the Jury, am not feeling too good about the chilil hashem that was created along with the punishment that awaits this man, but still I feel good in the overall picture that child molestation and rape has made amazing progress today in our community

The overall picture is good today Baruch hashem

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:56 PM eitsa gaber Says:

burich dayen emes im very saddent that it had to come down to this if only he had some brains and took that plea of 5 years he would have been home for paysech but i guess if he would had some brains he would have not been in this mess in the first place

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:56 PM shredready Says:

I truly hope he is guilty by that i mean he did what she said he did. hopefully this is warning to molesters the party is over and people are now willing to speak out

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 02:59 PM satmar Says:

Its a sad day for us. We know he is innocent and the case is a fabrication. Its a victory to all those that wage war against us. We must daven to Hashem and ask for rachamim that he be saved from prison and the reshoim.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:02 PM Anonymous Says:

There is a G-d after all. Thank you for reporting this.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:02 PM Robert Zimmerman Says:

באבוד רשעים רנה. This decision is very good for the Jews. Hopefully, molesters in our community will now think twice before doing their perverted, cruel acts.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:02 PM rs577 Says:

BH!
Let justice be served.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:03 PM Truth Says:

Did they just convict an innocent man?
Why did the girl wait till now to report it? Did she tell her parents at the time and if not why not?
Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM Yoilish Says:

Unbelievable.

This case is a total he-said-she-said. How in the world can we lock up a father of kids without proof?!

What is especially troubling is the hastiness of our brothers to condemn someone who was accused by someone with an obvious motivation.

Shame.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Very sad day For all of klal yisruel

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:07 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #8  
Yanki Says:

Frum jew has no chance here. Move to Israel. Oh i m sorry satmer loves the USA

what you think other countries will let you off and allow you to commit crimes simply because you are satmar wake up you are not in Hungary anymore

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:11 PM ChareidiMan Says:

In essensce its worst than a murderer except if it is someone elses kid. I wonder how you feel if it was your little shefele, your little princess, your little everything!

I feel good for this victim and ALL the victims in our community, and God only knows how mant there are

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:13 PM jcsalomon Says:

Reply to #15  
Lokson-Dryer Says:

Dear VIN comment writers,
Before bashing Weberman, who in my opinion is innocent (due to the fact that there is no evidence that he did anything, and the fact that "none of the hundreds of other girls" that went to him for counseling had any issues. So its hard to believe that just one girl that has a revenge agenda here is telling the truth.....
In the times of Bais Din he would be innocent due to no aidim no evidence etc. So please keep cool with your comments, and before posting hate don't forget that your hate posts are read by thousands and will cause Chilul Hashem lets not let antisemi's write "even on Jewish VIN site the posts are all anti Weberman.......

Havei dun es kol haudum likaf Zchus.
Lo Samod al dam Rayeicho
Choised Biksheirm yioshcheinu Nuchush

Lokson-Dryer wrote in #15, “In the times of Bais Din he would be innocent due to no aidim no evidence etc.”

Wrong; in time of Beis Din he would be lashed makas mardus for every violation of issur yichud—for which there’s plenty of evidence. And then for stealing from the tzedaka fund. And his other victims would feel safe making the accusation, rather than afraid the va‘ad hatznius would come after them.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:14 PM GevalDigeh Says:

Nebech. Even if he did do all this acts he is still a yid and we are still tidden rachmonim. Nebech i feel so bad for him. Having to spend the rest of his life in jail. Nebech mebech. U want to punish him? Give him 2-5 yeard. Nebech all his yiddishe life will be spent in prison not being able to serve hakadosh baruch hu

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:14 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #26  
Truth Says:

Did they just convict an innocent man?
Why did the girl wait till now to report it? Did she tell her parents at the time and if not why not?
Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?

hello she did not report it get your facts straight . when she went outside the community to a therapist the therapist reported it.

just get the fact straight

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:14 PM WilliWoman Says:

This is a great day for all of us.
Its the start of molesters not being able to get away with things just because theyre popular members of a community.
Weberman brought this upon himself, he couldve just pleaded guilty and not causes all of us so much harm in the media and all over.
He was the one who wanted such a public spectacle and reraped his victim when he stood on the stand lying that he never touched her.
When will you all wake up? Arent you afraid for your sons and daughters? SExual abusers arent only poor looking drug addicts. Theyre people who seem nice and kind and are monsters inside.
IF you know it or not, like I do. The victim did us all a great service. Thank you hashem for exposing the truth.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:16 PM YIDEN Says:

this sentece means a life sentence to all of us.. Yes agreed we have to protect our kids, and YES we have shortcomings, but this is not the way....

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:17 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #28  
Yoilish Says:

Unbelievable.

This case is a total he-said-she-said. How in the world can we lock up a father of kids without proof?!

What is especially troubling is the hastiness of our brothers to condemn someone who was accused by someone with an obvious motivation.

Shame.

yolish

i am sure you feel the same if she would have accused a goy

right

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:18 PM anon1826 Says:

Reply to #15  
Lokson-Dryer Says:

Dear VIN comment writers,
Before bashing Weberman, who in my opinion is innocent (due to the fact that there is no evidence that he did anything, and the fact that "none of the hundreds of other girls" that went to him for counseling had any issues. So its hard to believe that just one girl that has a revenge agenda here is telling the truth.....
In the times of Bais Din he would be innocent due to no aidim no evidence etc. So please keep cool with your comments, and before posting hate don't forget that your hate posts are read by thousands and will cause Chilul Hashem lets not let antisemi's write "even on Jewish VIN site the posts are all anti Weberman.......

Havei dun es kol haudum likaf Zchus.
Lo Samod al dam Rayeicho
Choised Biksheirm yioshcheinu Nuchush

Hundreds had no issues??? Because YOU don't want to hear them! How many of them have to go on the stand and commit community suicide, so you should believe that he has so many victims?

Your head in the sand is viewed by thousands and that is causing the Chilul Hashem!

I cannot judge someone favorably when he admits on the stand that hilchos yichud is a "man made law". Bashefer!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:20 PM Lkwd8 Says:

I find it amazing how we all agree that there are molesters out there in the jewish community. Yet, when one is identified, everyone sticks up for him!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:21 PM anon1826 Says:

Reply to #26  
Truth Says:

Did they just convict an innocent man?
Why did the girl wait till now to report it? Did she tell her parents at the time and if not why not?
Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?

No. They convicted a guilty man.

Please do some research on the effects of abuse on children and then you will understand why she waited to report it. By the way, a mandated reporter did that. She didn't.

Yes. The DA has more victims that reported to them, but refused to testify because of people like you.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:21 PM Chatzkaleh Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

Very sad day For all of klal yisruel

Nope, a wonderful day for Klal Yisroel, just not for child abusers.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:22 PM anon1826 Says:

He wasn't sentenced yet. He is FACING life. Each criminal case is different. Many do have a life sentence.

G-d Bless America.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
YIDEN Says:

this sentece means a life sentence to all of us.. Yes agreed we have to protect our kids, and YES we have shortcomings, but this is not the way....

if we would do our jobs, you would have been right, but since there is so much cover up in the community it is the ONLY WAY

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:26 PM are you realy a parent? Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We are a group of 10 moms who have been praying non stop that he is proven guilty. This will protect our children and many others. Today is one of the best days of our lives. Thank you VIN for reporting this so quickly. Our kinder will be safe now and many others who have been abused will be coming forward shortly.

If what you write is true? Then you can say it.
But I know that you are not a parent. You are like the Wife of Potifar who was happy to put Yosef Hayzadik to Jail.
Hashem will pay you for what you deserve.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Truth Says:

Did they just convict an innocent man?
Why did the girl wait till now to report it? Did she tell her parents at the time and if not why not?
Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?

Abuse victims never report it until later. Its always like that. They are afraid to come forward for fear of being ridiculed and not believed. As for your second question, good point. I wonder if they convicted him to a life sentence on one victim. They usually do that when there are multiple victims that come forward.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:26 PM anon1826 Says:

Reply to #22  
satmar Says:

Its a sad day for us. We know he is innocent and the case is a fabrication. Its a victory to all those that wage war against us. We must daven to Hashem and ask for rachamim that he be saved from prison and the reshoim.

How do you "know" he is innocent? Nobody waged a war against you. You messed up the case. Bribing, taking pictures in court, fundraising publicly...

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Nobody knows or will ever know if he actually committed these terrible and heinous crimes. The one thing we do know is that he spent an abnormal amount of private time (multiple 4 hours sessions when most normal therapy sessions are 45-60 minutes, a 12 hour trip to the catskills by themselves, etc.) with her. I am not a Rabbi or Posek, but at a certain point doesn't one lose their chezkas kashrus when there is a basic breach of yichud and other halachic sexual bounderies? Why are frum people having such a hard time believing that he did this? Eyn Apitropus L'arayos! We will never know for sure if he is a molester but we do know that he made many poor decisions which make it hard for anyone to believe him.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:27 PM Wise-Guy Says:

While I'm glad whenever a monster is put away, currently I'm not rejoicing. For 2 reasons:

1) From all that I read (mostly anti-Weberman articles, reports and blogs) the evidence and testimonies that were presented in court during this trial was flimsy and strongly circumstantial.
Don't get me wrong, I too lean towards his guilt. But that's mainly because I believe Rabbi Horowitz who claims that there are a handful more victims who are afraid to come forward.
My problem is only that, according to what was presented in court, there should have been "reasonable doubt". Therefore I am wary of the likelihood that Anti-Chareidi (or anti-Semitic) feelings played a major role in this verdict.

This may be one of those times when the decision is correct, but likely for the wrong motives.

2) We can't be too joyful. Even if Weberman would be found guilty beyond ANY doubt, this victory is bitter-sweet at best because of the terrible devastation Weberman brought on his innocent children and grand-children. A large family has now been ruined and demolished.
So, while I can't blame anybody for feeling satisfied, but please, don't pop the champagne...

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
ChareidiMan Says:

Lets face it, even myself who has no doubt that the right verdict was handed down by the Jury, am not feeling too good about the chilil hashem that was created along with the punishment that awaits this man, but still I feel good in the overall picture that child molestation and rape has made amazing progress today in our community

The overall picture is good today Baruch hashem

I agree maybe other frum pedophiles and molesters will stop what they are doing. Its a loud message for the wrong doers out there.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
GevalDigeh Says:

Nebech. Even if he did do all this acts he is still a yid and we are still tidden rachmonim. Nebech i feel so bad for him. Having to spend the rest of his life in jail. Nebech mebech. U want to punish him? Give him 2-5 yeard. Nebech all his yiddishe life will be spent in prison not being able to serve hakadosh baruch hu

One more "nebech" I'll throw up. You want to displace your empathy for a yid by giving it to the molester rather than his victim, that is your business, but you clearly are unaware of reality. There are so many Yiddin in prison that they have minyan, shiurim, a beis medrash and kosher food .... so he can think about his lack of yiddishkeit in a fully equipped prison. Don't worry so much about him, it is his victim who is locked in a prison of nightmare for the rest of her life.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM No-way Says:

Justice In America: OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony: Not Guilty. But a Hasidic Jew Nechemya Weberman: Guilty with 0 Evidence, You hear all you haters??????? NO EVIDENCE
You should be ashamed of yourselves for playing happy here, what’s there to be happy???? Are you all really convinced that he’s guilty??? Since when are you all having such blind faith in this so corrupt system??? And stop playing the emotional game as if you are all here on behalf of all victims, when it’s very clear that this is driven by your crazy hate for Hasidic Jews

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM yaakov doe Says:

I can't judge if he's guilty or not, but perhaps it would haver been less of a chillul Hashem if he had had a non jury trial and therefore less publicity. Attention to the possible actions of this one individual reflect negatively upon all of us in the eyes of the public. We are supposed to be a light unto the nations and should avoid anything that can cause such a chillul Hasdhem.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM Babishka Says:

What I don't understand is why anyone would have sent their kid to him for "counseling" in the first place! He had no credentials! There was always an issue of "yichud." If a girl is having problems of rebellion against tznius then she should join a youth group for girls or go to a female counselor!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:34 PM A-P-C Says:

to all those wondering why no other girls came forward, the prosecutors said they spoke to 6, yes, 6 other victims of this evil molester. the girls refused to testify because they knew they, and not he, would be shunned by their fellow satmar.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:35 PM Sideliner Says:

1. By the amount of supporters and comments to this issue, I've learned that Satmar has more people online than any other jewish group anywhere. Don't the Rebbe (both rebbe's) assur internet?
2. You play with fire you will get burnt. If he wasn't licensed and he didn't even have Smicha, what in the world is he doing with young girls in private conversations? Very poor judgement.
Only the Abishter knows what really happened and someone will eventually have to pay after they leave this world.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:35 PM No-way Says:

And why is everyone playing blind to the fact that many women that were treated by Webermen and wanted to come and testify on his behalf were intimidated and threatened??? But again, no word from you guys, because who cares, since this will not help you in your smear campaign Shame on us all

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:35 PM Anonymous Says:

terrible terrible i dont understand how people can be happy about this. this is from boshefer and we all need to cry that this can happen even if its true

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:36 PM berelw Says:

i feel bad for this guy...i actually bad for anyone that has a prolonged jail sentence..i dont believe in prolonged sentences...however i think satmar and all radical charaideshes yidden need to reevaluate them selves its not a way to live and serve hashem...one needs to live a happy relaxed life and serve hashem bhidur....they have some much frivolous restrictions, im surprised they are not all crazy by now..how can a child grow up with so much negativity so much restrictions...I love satmar for their good, their chesed their togetherness. but they need huge fixing.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:36 PM Liepa Says:

I'm just as much against sex abuse as any individual, father or mother, of course. However, please understand, the only ones who truly know whether he's guilty or not, are He himself, the ALLEGED victim herself and G-D, period.
So rejoicing over this verdict doesn't make much sense.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
ZoberaVesh Says:

Rachmono litzlon its a sad day for all of us observant Jews.We were all dragged into this by Jews from within who smeared us in the secular media that we are a cult

It's a sad day for all observant Jews because it's a reminder that sexual abuse exists in our community and hurts children. It's sad because a Frum Jew was found to have not behaved the way a Frum Jew should. It's a relief that someone who hurt a child will be removed from being able to hurt any more children.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:37 PM zippobel1 Says:

Reply to #36  
YIDEN Says:

this sentece means a life sentence to all of us.. Yes agreed we have to protect our kids, and YES we have shortcomings, but this is not the way....

What is the way? How should our children be protected against people who would do something like this to them? How do we protect our brothers against animals who hurt them for saving their own children?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:38 PM Contemplations Says:

Upon appeal, I hope and pray that his other victims (if they truly exist) will have courage and come forward to testify.

Only then will I feel comfortable that this verdict is fair, just and legal.

Sentencing a defendant based solely on one (troubled) person's testimony is disconcerting.
Somethings fishy here...

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:41 PM curious Says:

I was not in court. I don't know what happened there. However, I can't claim antisemitism. The jury probablygot it right. That said, he will,probably get what he has coming to him. It is unfortunate that this whole parasha happenedhough.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:43 PM epesaguy2013 Says:

I am confused at everyone's certainty that this person is guilty. What if his side of the story is really true? Has anyone stopped to consider that? Or is it always a given that a person accused of sexual abuse is guilty?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:45 PM heimisheryid Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We are a group of 10 moms who have been praying non stop that he is proven guilty. This will protect our children and many others. Today is one of the best days of our lives. Thank you VIN for reporting this so quickly. Our kinder will be safe now and many others who have been abused will be coming forward shortly.

u moms should take care of your own kids & don't blame others for their problems!

it's a shame that a jew is talking like that, when no real proof was presented at the trial!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:45 PM Benjey Says:

at the end of the day there is no winner here both families will suffer
and of course there was no proof here
Lets not forget about all those people that need help that will not be gettimg it from anyone from now on

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
Contemplations Says:

Upon appeal, I hope and pray that his other victims (if they truly exist) will have courage and come forward to testify.

Only then will I feel comfortable that this verdict is fair, just and legal.

Sentencing a defendant based solely on one (troubled) person's testimony is disconcerting.
Somethings fishy here...

troubled? Is she troubled because she did not like such thick hosiery and like many girls wanted to read fashion magazines or is she troubled because she was molested by a predator?

Most people who are prosecuted are done so by the word of "one" person. Even serial murderers and serial rapists typically get convicted by a trial on behalf of one victim.

The only thing fishy here is a bunch of people who find every excuse in the book to still delude themselves into believing that frum men don't do such heinous things and anyone who suggests otherwise must be a liar.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:55 PM Ayin_Tachas_Ayin Says:

It's a sad day even if the allegations are true!!! This man was not PROVEN guilty in any way,. this is a mere assupmtion by the jury.

It's a sad day as a someone will be locked up for life with NO proof.

All you happy people - please note - a disgruntled employee of yours or even a workmate could drag you into to court and do the same to YOU.

Save your happiness. I am not from Satmar, but this story scared the wits out of me as I have business with many employees and through the years and I am sure that some have an ax to grind.

What the innocent man's protection???

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 03:57 PM Facts1 Says:

Where is the evidence? 25 years on a word for a word trial? Whats wrong with the country?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:02 PM Lawyer Says:

To all those who keep saying, that there should not be a conviction because it was "she says, he says", I reply that it was actually "she says, liar says", and "she says, thief says". He admitted his use of a nonprofit shell corporation to raise and steal money for personal expenses. Those expenses included women's lingerie, for who exactly, we don't know. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. When you lie about one thing, you lie about a lot of other things. This was a good verdict.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:02 PM babi1939 Says:

In the future , if innocent "counselors" want to avoid being accused of any wrongdoing, they should have a female counselor at any sessions at all times. A security camera would also help.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:03 PM Ayin_Tachas_Ayin Says:

Reply to #56  
No-way Says:

And why is everyone playing blind to the fact that many women that were treated by Webermen and wanted to come and testify on his behalf were intimidated and threatened??? But again, no word from you guys, because who cares, since this will not help you in your smear campaign Shame on us all

You're making this up to feel good about the verdict. If there is no proof, then there should be no conviction. Period. It's a sad day - a person was convicted on the sole testimony of one person. SCARY... I can't say more.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:05 PM Teddybear Says:

Casey Anthony, O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson: Not Guilty. Weberman a Jew. Guilty only from testimony and no physical evidence. What a Great Democracy and Justice System!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:06 PM maxedout Says:

it it was up to me, I would offer him a lighter sentence if he coughs up the names of everyone in the tznius police. every single one of these mamzerim should be in jail. They are nothing but a bunch or perverts.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:07 PM ziony Says:

There was no Evidence at all no DNA no Whiteness its all a made up story for revenge that he exposed her to her parents for being not so frum & having a boy friend which her father has video of her boy friend raping her when she was under age and had him arrested. This family has a history of being very frum supposedly and of not being frum. So u all now your facts before you say he is guilty for this. what kind of justus is this in America the jury indicted him already before trial.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:11 PM heimisheryid Says:

Reply to #63  
curious Says:

I was not in court. I don't know what happened there. However, I can't claim antisemitism. The jury probablygot it right. That said, he will,probably get what he has coming to him. It is unfortunate that this whole parasha happenedhough.

it's clear that a chassidic jew can't get a fair trial from a jury who don't understand the jewish life-style.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:12 PM flatbush yid Says:

Its a sad day. Orthodox jews will almost never get a fair trial in New York. The killer of yankel Rosenbaum lives freely in New Jersey. He got off first time with a black jury despite the bloody knife. Here it was He said She said. No evidence. We religious Jews are to blame. We allowed our elected politicians to vote in gay marriage and soon we will have to pack our bags because bris millah will be outlawed by mohelim and only doctors wearing gloves will be allowed to perform it. Next we will be forbidden to keep the anti gay statements in out sefer Torahs andf seforim due to liberal fascism. We vote for liberals we get what we deserve.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:12 PM unbelvbl Says:

I am curious to know how A N Y O N E, pro or con, can have an opinion on something they have no way of knowing.

He is a menuval! How do you know?

He is innocent! How do you know?

It is fascinating how people disregard the basic respect of other people, and render judgment without having any expectancy of ever finding out the truth!

מימלא if you are the New York Post, I could understand; they need to make money, and they make money by selling sensational news, (שמוץ בלע"ז) , so they feed of other people's lives like blood-sucking leeches, but for the rest of us, how dare we?!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:16 PM Moish Says:

The only hope I have on his appeal, is that it will uncover the other enablers that allowed this suspicious behavior to continue for such a long time unchecked. Other people shared office space with him and were clearly aware that his conduct egregiously violated halacha, yet his practice continued to attract additional referals ignoring such risks. How does a Rebbe's Baal Agulah become entrusted with mentoring problematic teens in a community?

The $500,000 offered to the victim to drop the case will now become a pittance against what will ultimately be paid to this victim in a civil claim.

May this serve as a lesson to all Heimishe environments to always be concious of possible yichud issues at homes, offices, schools, trips, etc. It's practically impossible to molest without a prior violation of yichud. No person in any capacity needs to have absolute privacy with another that can be taken advantage of. Additional office staff or others should regularly intrude and interrupt unannounced, however briefly to negate the possibility of yichud.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:17 PM TheRealJoe123 Says:

Dear Molester's...... Please Plead Guilty so that you get a punishment that allows you to have a post prison life, if you go to trial you will lose no matter what kind of fancy lawyers you have. The USA is looking for blood now after the combo of Sandusky, Catholic Church and cover up's in Frum community. So even if you think you can win on a technicality, you won't, so do your family a favor, and the community at large at prevent the media circus.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:20 PM eigner Says:

This situation is terribly sad either way.
If it's not true than its sad that justice was not served. if it is true its even sadder that a so called chasidisher yid can stoop so low as to take advantage of a n innocent child coming to you to beg for help. H"Y.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:24 PM c Says:

Reply to #78  
flatbush yid Says:

Its a sad day. Orthodox jews will almost never get a fair trial in New York. The killer of yankel Rosenbaum lives freely in New Jersey. He got off first time with a black jury despite the bloody knife. Here it was He said She said. No evidence. We religious Jews are to blame. We allowed our elected politicians to vote in gay marriage and soon we will have to pack our bags because bris millah will be outlawed by mohelim and only doctors wearing gloves will be allowed to perform it. Next we will be forbidden to keep the anti gay statements in out sefer Torahs andf seforim due to liberal fascism. We vote for liberals we get what we deserve.

There is a huge difference between the two cases. In this case the victim was alive to testify and there was only one clearly identified perpetrator.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:31 PM RalphWaldoEmerson Says:

Reply to #78  
flatbush yid Says:

Its a sad day. Orthodox jews will almost never get a fair trial in New York. The killer of yankel Rosenbaum lives freely in New Jersey. He got off first time with a black jury despite the bloody knife. Here it was He said She said. No evidence. We religious Jews are to blame. We allowed our elected politicians to vote in gay marriage and soon we will have to pack our bags because bris millah will be outlawed by mohelim and only doctors wearing gloves will be allowed to perform it. Next we will be forbidden to keep the anti gay statements in out sefer Torahs andf seforim due to liberal fascism. We vote for liberals we get what we deserve.

You do understand that liberalism and fascism are polar opposites, right?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:32 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #51  
No-way Says:

Justice In America: OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony: Not Guilty. But a Hasidic Jew Nechemya Weberman: Guilty with 0 Evidence, You hear all you haters??????? NO EVIDENCE
You should be ashamed of yourselves for playing happy here, what’s there to be happy???? Are you all really convinced that he’s guilty??? Since when are you all having such blind faith in this so corrupt system??? And stop playing the emotional game as if you are all here on behalf of all victims, when it’s very clear that this is driven by your crazy hate for Hasidic Jews

No-way, what you say is likely true. Mr. Weberman should have been strongly advised to take the plea bargain. How can a Hasidic Jew risk a jury trial? There are two Rebbes in Satmar. Mr. Weberman is good with both of them. Why wasn't he advised to take the plea and at least spare us all this aweful chilul Hashem! A full five years in jail would have been hell for him and his family but five years does come to an end. If there really were Rebbes and Rabbonim with us in our time, he would have been advised differently. Once again, I am afraid there are no Rebbes....

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:33 PM Moish Says:

Reply to #79  
unbelvbl Says:

I am curious to know how A N Y O N E, pro or con, can have an opinion on something they have no way of knowing.

He is a menuval! How do you know?

He is innocent! How do you know?

It is fascinating how people disregard the basic respect of other people, and render judgment without having any expectancy of ever finding out the truth!

מימלא if you are the New York Post, I could understand; they need to make money, and they make money by selling sensational news, (שמוץ בלע"ז) , so they feed of other people's lives like blood-sucking leeches, but for the rest of us, how dare we?!

How do you know he was a menuval? "Hein Hein Eidei Yichud, Hein Hein Eidei Bee'ah." Based on what was presented, it appears unrefuted that there were extreme sinister violations of Yichud. That is Nevalah! He is therefore a menuval; he is clearly not innocent birshus ha'Torah..

Now you want to believe the menuval versus the victim how far things went? That is your choice, but he no longer has a chezkas kashrus to stand on. The jury was presented with facts that me and you may not be aware of. I don't believe that 12 jurors convicted him on each and every count he was charged with because the evidence wasn't strong enough and they were just out to get the Jew. Open your eyes and face reality. See where you can become more vigilant and prevent such possible activity in your surroundings.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:33 PM monishmo Says:

A lie detecting test would help me decide if I should feel bad for the victom or accuser . The accuser had coaching on this and a personal agenda to attack Weberman. This accuser is troubled from way before she met him. In any case let alone jury and judge etc....If falsly accused Hashem will take revenge on the accuser and her coachers.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:36 PM rikki Says:

A big thanks to DA Hynes and his team for a job well done! All you supporters of Weberman are very naive and stupid. The molesters, rapists and abusers know full well what they are doing to our innocent children and their position in society affords them the luxury of he said/she said. I personally thank the therapist who reported this to the authorities and the young girl who testified against all odds...they have saved other children from this low-life. May Hashem bless all the Souls of the people involved in bringing justice to this case....These defenders of Weberman don't, and shouldn't, know what it means to be molested/abused by another person. The perpetrator is, generally, a well-respected member of the community...also, how could he have been on the Va'ad Hatznius if he was abusing the Yichud situation? He didn't have Tnius on his mind, for sure!!!!!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #71  
babi1939 Says:

In the future , if innocent "counselors" want to avoid being accused of any wrongdoing, they should have a female counselor at any sessions at all times. A security camera would also help.

a security camera is more important than anything else cause the counselor may lie as well

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:37 PM heimisheryid Says:

Reply to #79  
unbelvbl Says:

I am curious to know how A N Y O N E, pro or con, can have an opinion on something they have no way of knowing.

He is a menuval! How do you know?

He is innocent! How do you know?

It is fascinating how people disregard the basic respect of other people, and render judgment without having any expectancy of ever finding out the truth!

מימלא if you are the New York Post, I could understand; they need to make money, and they make money by selling sensational news, (שמוץ בלע"ז) , so they feed of other people's lives like blood-sucking leeches, but for the rest of us, how dare we?!

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:41 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #77  
heimisheryid Says:

it's clear that a chassidic jew can't get a fair trial from a jury who don't understand the jewish life-style.

what is there to understand in this case as a matter of fact it help him since yichad is not a n issue. If one knows then it makes him look worse and more guilty

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:50 PM common-sense Says:

Reply to #12  
Facts1 Says:

Orthdox Jews dont stand a chance in court.

Based on what? That he was convicted of something the evidence showed very clearly he was guilty?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:57 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #12  
Facts1 Says:

Orthdox Jews dont stand a chance in court.

Then why do all the Rebbe's take their fights with their own brothers to secular court?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 04:57 PM maxedout Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

"but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides."
Having a "burd n payos" does not make one any more frum than one that doesnt have them. Frumkeit is in the inside. Anybody can dress up. Just look how many are dressed as Santa Claus right now. Does that make them all Santa Claus?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:08 PM RCA Says:

Here's a link to the Rabbinical council of America's statement:

http://www.rabbis.org/news/article.cfm?id=105726

It begins:
The Rabbinical Council of America (RCA), the world's largest organization of Orthodox rabbis is encouraged by the process that led to the conviction of Nechemyah Weberman, an Orthodox Jew who acted as an unlicensed counselor and was today found guilty for the sexual molestation of an adolescent girl. For many years the RCA has condemned the efforts of many parts of the Jewish community to cover up or ignore allegations of abuse, viewing these efforts as against Jewish law, illegal, and irresponsible to the welfare of victims and the greater community. The RCA strongly advocates, as a matter of Jewish law, the reporting of reasonable suspicions of child abuse to the civil authorities and full cooperation with the criminal justice system. The RCA decries any invocation of Jewish law or communal interests as tools in silencing victims or witnesses from reporting abuse or from receiving therapeutic and communal support and strongly condemn those members of the Jewish community who used such tactics in this case...

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:12 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #85  
Ina Says:

No-way, what you say is likely true. Mr. Weberman should have been strongly advised to take the plea bargain. How can a Hasidic Jew risk a jury trial? There are two Rebbes in Satmar. Mr. Weberman is good with both of them. Why wasn't he advised to take the plea and at least spare us all this aweful chilul Hashem! A full five years in jail would have been hell for him and his family but five years does come to an end. If there really were Rebbes and Rabbonim with us in our time, he would have been advised differently. Once again, I am afraid there are no Rebbes....

Would you take 5 years if you knew you didn't commit the crime?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

1 think I can tell you to all they are writing against weberman, thats its a shme on all of you if you would have a "pintle yideskeit" in you. How you can suppurt such a low class pepole and give them rights, when basefer is in tazer when a fater of kids have sush a gazira on him, and also when pepole have problems they should go in court, where is the Yiddish'ket

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:14 PM PrettyinPink Says:

It's a sad day for frum Jews in America indeed. A-the chillul Hashem caused by this case is enormous and B-frum Jews do not stand a chance of getting a fair trial.

We are perceived by the non-Jews just the way all those self-hating Jews are trying to portray us.

Gd please protect us!!!! Moshiach Now!!!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #88  
rikki Says:

A big thanks to DA Hynes and his team for a job well done! All you supporters of Weberman are very naive and stupid. The molesters, rapists and abusers know full well what they are doing to our innocent children and their position in society affords them the luxury of he said/she said. I personally thank the therapist who reported this to the authorities and the young girl who testified against all odds...they have saved other children from this low-life. May Hashem bless all the Souls of the people involved in bringing justice to this case....These defenders of Weberman don't, and shouldn't, know what it means to be molested/abused by another person. The perpetrator is, generally, a well-respected member of the community...also, how could he have been on the Va'ad Hatznius if he was abusing the Yichud situation? He didn't have Tnius on his mind, for sure!!!!!

With all due respect to you, how do you know whether he did anything to this girl or not.
The alleged victim knows the truth, the alleged perpetrator knows the truth, HASHEM knows the truth and that's it. No one else really knows the truth.
How are you so sure as to rant 'supporters of Weberman are naive and stupid'.
Maybe it's you who is, for being so sure when you have no proof of who's right or wrong in this case.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:19 PM savtat Says:

How is it possible that the person who brings the charges is demonized by the kehilla?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #92  
common-sense Says:

Based on what? That he was convicted of something the evidence showed very clearly he was guilty?

What evidence, fool!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:22 PM rebeli Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

Who are you to judge based on family. So if your kid went of the derech does that make you a worse yid. Please don't say 'yes'.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:22 PM Sherree Says:

Give it up already, this was a trial between 2 Jews, so the jury was going to find one of them guilty of lying. Your such a genius that you didn't recognize that. You also didn't recognize the "nes" chanukah.

This young lady showed everyone the "LIGHT"! Hashem was on her side and "chose" her to do this tafkid and to bring Weberman to justice. Hashem gave her the confidence that even though she is just a slip of a girl, she could handle the harsh and 4 day vicious cross examination of the defense who purposely made her repeat the horrific details of her torture, over and over again. Words that are too difficult for even an adult to say in private let alone in public. But she did, SHE IS THE MIRACLE! She survived Weberman to marry a nice Jewish man and to continue on to build a bayis neeman b'ysiroel. He didn't get away with it, and he will NOT do it to any other young bas yisroel again!!!

Freilichin Chanuka to all!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

All you people have to know only 3 words, modeh b'miksus, chaiv...

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:24 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

what do you think because they are secular they lie and make up abuse cases gt a life

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:25 PM Anonymous Says:

This is very depressing - I hope she admits she made it up if she did make it up - knowing him I find it very hard to believe he did it. If he did, chas vshalom, he is getting what he deserves, but I cannot believe this story she made up.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:29 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #12  
Facts1 Says:

Orthdox Jews dont stand a chance in court.

What are you talking about, the Vicitm won didn't she? She is orthodox!!! So you are wrong and those are the FACTS!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:39 PM Realistic Says:

Reply to #92  
common-sense Says:

Based on what? That he was convicted of something the evidence showed very clearly he was guilty?

Following the court I realized the only evidence was her word.

Do you call this Clear Evidence?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:44 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #87  
monishmo Says:

A lie detecting test would help me decide if I should feel bad for the victom or accuser . The accuser had coaching on this and a personal agenda to attack Weberman. This accuser is troubled from way before she met him. In any case let alone jury and judge etc....If falsly accused Hashem will take revenge on the accuser and her coachers.

and if the lie detector test shows that Weberman is guilty, do you believe that Hashem will take revenge on anyone who has screamed how innocent Weberman is, and that this is mere an attack on either the frum community or Satmar?
Coaching? It is called preparation in legal circles.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:50 PM heimisheryid Says:

Reply to #91  
shredready Says:

what is there to understand in this case as a matter of fact it help him since yichad is not a n issue. If one knows then it makes him look worse and more guilty

there was no facts. it was "she says" & "he says", period!

i can't imagine how would the media react if there was a trial for a non-white & all the jurors would be white people!

how comes that not one single jew was on the jury?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:54 PM EinYid Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

So you judge people by what they wear? My friend, I have a few bridges to sell you...

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:54 PM Lets_be_real_2day Says:

Are you kidding me?? All these posts feeling bad for a hold molester?? He's not a yid - he's a PIG!! He got what he deserved. You are feeling bad for him like feeling bad for the animal that ended up being amalek

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:

A big yasher koach to the social worker, Sarah Fried, who is the real Yehudis in this saga!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:56 PM heimisheryid Says:

Reply to #94  
maxedout Says:

"but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides."
Having a "burd n payos" does not make one any more frum than one that doesnt have them. Frumkeit is in the inside. Anybody can dress up. Just look how many are dressed as Santa Claus right now. Does that make them all Santa Claus?

sure that the dress don't mean everything. but at his family there is no drop-outs, they got a real frum chinch.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 05:58 PM Wise-Guy Says:

Reply to #87  
monishmo Says:

A lie detecting test would help me decide if I should feel bad for the victom or accuser . The accuser had coaching on this and a personal agenda to attack Weberman. This accuser is troubled from way before she met him. In any case let alone jury and judge etc....If falsly accused Hashem will take revenge on the accuser and her coachers.

Come to think of it, why Takeh was not a polygraph (lie detector test) not administered for both sides?

I know that polygraphs are not considered fool-proof evidence in court, but it would have lent a lot of credibility to one side or the other.

If Weberman would have failed the test, I, for one, would be much more "comfortable" with this verdict.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
ZoberaVesh Says:

Rachmono litzlon its a sad day for all of us observant Jews.We were all dragged into this by Jews from within who smeared us in the secular media that we are a cult

No. You walked into it heads held high and proudly.
For decades you protected the abusers.
You punished the few souls brave enough to come forward
You obstructed justice.
You cheerfully ruined lives
You moved abusers around to new hunting grounds
You tampered with witnesses and destroyed evidence
You thought you were above the Law and immune to justice
You rejected every single attempt to shine light into the darkness and wash away the filth.

And now you complain about being "smeared" when The Community is guilty as sin.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:24 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

What does that have to do with anything?! If you are dressed Hasidic then you are above all moral reproach? Now, how intelligent is that?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:26 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #115  
Wise-Guy Says:

Come to think of it, why Takeh was not a polygraph (lie detector test) not administered for both sides?

I know that polygraphs are not considered fool-proof evidence in court, but it would have lent a lot of credibility to one side or the other.

If Weberman would have failed the test, I, for one, would be much more "comfortable" with this verdict.

There is no way to know if Weberman took a lie detector test or not. It is not admissible in court and therefore not public record. That being said, Weberman may or may not have taken a privated lie detector test. If he did and passed it would have been trumpeted by his attorney. So, don't be a wise guy, just try thinking it through.
As to the victim (no longer alleged since there was a conviction) no district attorney would give a lie detector test since it is not admissible in testimony.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:29 PM sober247 Says:

hashem runs this world not us!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:30 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #96  
Liepa Says:

Would you take 5 years if you knew you didn't commit the crime?

Probably! He had no evidence to prove his innocence. The criminal justice system is heavily stacked against a Hasidic sex abuser. I would not have risked my life in this situation. Five years is hell, but after five years the prinsoner walks and lives again. Mr. Weberman's life is now effectively over.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We are a group of 10 moms who have been praying non stop that he is proven guilty. This will protect our children and many others. Today is one of the best days of our lives. Thank you VIN for reporting this so quickly. Our kinder will be safe now and many others who have been abused will be coming forward shortly.

He was found guilty, but where's the proof? Innocent people are found guilty all the time, unfortunately. I know him personally, and if there were proof it would be a different story. All I prayed for was that the truth should come out. I don't believe the truth came out here. I still believe he is innocent until proof comes to the opposite.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:35 PM richman Says:

It's scary to think that anyone can accuse someone and not to have show hard proof just he said she said and then be locked up for life in prison

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:40 PM curious Says:

Reply to #77  
heimisheryid Says:

it's clear that a chassidic jew can't get a fair trial from a jury who don't understand the jewish life-style.

Why do you say that he did not get a fair trial? We know that these sick people are in our midst. Maybe any reasonable person would believe he is guilty if they heard the same evidence.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:51 PM Sad Says:

What a sad day for klal yisroel. A man we do not know if innocent or guilty will be put away for life . A family is broken and all we can do is rejoice? Now don't get me wrong if he did it then he should be put away but how can we dance on his family tsar? And before u all say the girls family suffered I'm all with you on that and glad that this part of there life is finally closed . Any time a Jew rejoices on another Jews tzar it's sad for klal yisroel cause our own hatred for each other is what brings our community down and makes the world look at us as bad and evil people when the fact is we're not. So please ppl think before you write something or say something publicly abt the klal cause the world sees and hears it and feeds of off it. Remember moshiach will not come if kinah and Sinah in our own society is so out there between ourselfs!!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 06:52 PM ziony Says:

Reply to #81  
TheRealJoe123 Says:

Dear Molester's...... Please Plead Guilty so that you get a punishment that allows you to have a post prison life, if you go to trial you will lose no matter what kind of fancy lawyers you have. The USA is looking for blood now after the combo of Sandusky, Catholic Church and cover up's in Frum community. So even if you think you can win on a technicality, you won't, so do your family a favor, and the community at large at prevent the media circus.

Damage was done, you should of told him this before Trial.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:13 PM Hershl Says:

He is just the tip of the iceberg.
When the others are revealed and, hopefully, locked in prison biz eybig, the world will see what a true problem we have.

The ones who are being destroyed are the kids.

The community needs to police its own. If not, the state will do so.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:24 PM OYVY2 Says:

Reply to #55  
Sideliner Says:

1. By the amount of supporters and comments to this issue, I've learned that Satmar has more people online than any other jewish group anywhere. Don't the Rebbe (both rebbe's) assur internet?
2. You play with fire you will get burnt. If he wasn't licensed and he didn't even have Smicha, what in the world is he doing with young girls in private conversations? Very poor judgement.
Only the Abishter knows what really happened and someone will eventually have to pay after they leave this world.

Hopefully this will send a message to all molesters and pedophiles, and if there was no evidence then a grand jury would not have let this go to trail. Yes, I will admit I am happy, happy for the girl and for other of his victims that would not come forward because of community and family pressure. Parents, be more on guard when it comes to your children, nice to worry about what they eat, read, watch, etc, but let them know that they can come to you when someone is putting them in danger. Yes it was only a few short months ago that the internet "asifa" was held, you were all so proud to fill Citifield with your righteousness . Huh ?????????????

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:26 PM Zecharia w Says:

Where is the outrage?
Do you think this girl is alone ? There is a very prominent rabbi, who heads a school and his secretary who coached her into locking up a parent of kids for life !!!
If we are believing yidden then the next time you here this rabbi think about the insanity that happened today . All these people are kofrim we have the Torah and according to Torah this cannot happen!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:26 PM IJK12 Says:

Yea of course! Keep yapping like this but when someone will fabricate a story on you - which is VERY easy in the US - and let's say your innocent, & the verdict is guilty............. You fill in the blanks!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:28 PM Dave Says:

Reply to #113  
Anonymous Says:

A big yasher koach to the social worker, Sarah Fried, who is the real Yehudis in this saga!

Really ? Don't think she won't have to give a דין וחשבון in שמים for locking up man שלא על פי דין

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:36 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #3  
thegreatone Says:

hashem yerachem

Yes, you are correrect but on depraved Jews who will condone sodomy and other depraved misconduct under the excuse it is "against frum Jews"

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:40 PM Dr. E Says:

I look forward to the barrage of Pidyon Shvuyim campaigns in the heimish (and no so heimish social) media, protests in the streets with chants of no justice no peace (in the mamaloshen), and speeches by Chassidish Rebbes. Mi ki'amcha Yisroel!

117 years? Brings new meaning to huhndrid-n-tzvanzig.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
Anonymous Says:

This is very depressing - I hope she admits she made it up if she did make it up - knowing him I find it very hard to believe he did it. If he did, chas vshalom, he is getting what he deserves, but I cannot believe this story she made up.

Out of curiosity is there anyway you would believe this,or you just enjoy being oblivious to what happens around you?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:42 PM BP MOM Says:

I see that most comments are most prob from his close family and friends and vaad hatznius guys who are shaking in their pants. It wasn't a he said she said situation if you were at court. He and all of HIS witnesses were caught lying and the jury saw right through it! So stop repeating the rhetoric of he said she said. It's getting stale.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
satmar Says:

Its a sad day for us. We know he is innocent and the case is a fabrication. Its a victory to all those that wage war against us. We must daven to Hashem and ask for rachamim that he be saved from prison and the reshoim.

How do you know he is innocent? Just as I don't know he is guilty. If you read all the evidence you would have questions. If you are objective you would have to admit There were major red flags with Webberman. I can't tell you a hundred percent he is guilty, but I have major questions,

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:51 PM Huh? Says:

Reply to #114  
heimisheryid Says:

sure that the dress don't mean everything. but at his family there is no drop-outs, they got a real frum chinch.

By a frum chinuch I suppose you mean they learned to live in fear and intimidation.
So they look good in a suit and they are terrified to have an opinion. pardon me while I not be impressed.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 07:58 PM satmer rebbe Says:

It's time for both Satmer rebbes to make sholom, enough fighting, that's what caused this chilul hashem.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:04 PM dick613 Says:

For all those that think he is innocent, be honest, there is no proof that would satisfy you. It pains you that a Heimishe is being accused for such a horrible crime.

Speak to the local psychologists, many have treated victims of Weberman. The psychologist have no reason to lie. I am hoping this conviction will give them to courage to come out and speak to the truth and heal the pain.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:06 PM dick613 Says:

Reply to #121  
Anonymous Says:

He was found guilty, but where's the proof? Innocent people are found guilty all the time, unfortunately. I know him personally, and if there were proof it would be a different story. All I prayed for was that the truth should come out. I don't believe the truth came out here. I still believe he is innocent until proof comes to the opposite.

What type of proof are you expecting? A video, a DNA sample?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:09 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #51  
No-way Says:

Justice In America: OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony: Not Guilty. But a Hasidic Jew Nechemya Weberman: Guilty with 0 Evidence, You hear all you haters??????? NO EVIDENCE
You should be ashamed of yourselves for playing happy here, what’s there to be happy???? Are you all really convinced that he’s guilty??? Since when are you all having such blind faith in this so corrupt system??? And stop playing the emotional game as if you are all here on behalf of all victims, when it’s very clear that this is driven by your crazy hate for Hasidic Jews

You forgot Michael Jackson. Perhaps you should check your talking points before writing.
This man was convicted by a jury. You can complain all you want, but lets face it as far as the law is concerned he did it.
Coverups are the problem. It became clear that the catholic church was more interested in protecting itself as an institution than looking at victims. Unfortunately Satmar, as well as some others, seem to be headed in this same path.
They scream about going to civil authorities. Then the two competeing rebbes sue each other in civil court.
It is time for the Jewish community to stop brushing off every claim of sexual abuse as hate of chareidim. Some may be, but crying wolf again and again will only make noone believe any denials.
Society has a problem with sexual predators. Is it less prevelent in frum circles? I have no idea. I am conviced that there are coverups and the should stop. We should be more interested in protecting our children, than protecting an abuser.
It is time to recognize that there are men and women who belong in prison. It is time to seriously consider who we allow to deal with our children. It is time to consider our children

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:12 PM berelw Says:

Reply to #17  
ZoberaVesh Says:

Rachmono litzlon its a sad day for all of us observant Jews.We were all dragged into this by Jews from within who smeared us in the secular media that we are a cult

you are a cult at best....disillusioned at worst.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #126  
Hershl Says:

He is just the tip of the iceberg.
When the others are revealed and, hopefully, locked in prison biz eybig, the world will see what a true problem we have.

The ones who are being destroyed are the kids.

The community needs to police its own. If not, the state will do so.

The community is not capable of policing its own. It's about time we all came to this realization. If you or someone you know is a victim of abuse, it is your obligation to go immediately to the authorities. Lo Taamod Al Dam Reecha!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:18 PM kweanbea Says:

For everyone saying "no proof!" "no evidence!", you don't understand some basic principles of American criminal justice. Witnesses' testimony is considered EVIDENCE. There were 14 hours of the victim's testimony and cross-examination. The victim's mother testified. The victim's social worker testified. Weberman, his principal and two of his live-in runaways testified, and each of them had testimony that worked against the defense. In an American court of law you don't need physical evidence to convict. The burden of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt". The jury heard all the evidence and felt there was no room for reasonable doubt.

As for lie detector tests, they are inadmissible in NYS. That means the defendant can't volunteer for it if he wanted to and the prosecutor can't demand one.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:29 PM A Says:

Reply to #59  
Liepa Says:

I'm just as much against sex abuse as any individual, father or mother, of course. However, please understand, the only ones who truly know whether he's guilty or not, are He himself, the ALLEGED victim herself and G-D, period.
So rejoicing over this verdict doesn't make much sense.

Then I suppose you should take heart from the belief that Hashem runs the world and he decreed that there should be a guilty verdict.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #121  
Anonymous Says:

He was found guilty, but where's the proof? Innocent people are found guilty all the time, unfortunately. I know him personally, and if there were proof it would be a different story. All I prayed for was that the truth should come out. I don't believe the truth came out here. I still believe he is innocent until proof comes to the opposite.

He was found guilty under our system of justice by a jury of his peers. Clearly there was evidence, he had ample opportunity to present his defense by excellent and experienced lawyers but b'h the jurors were convinced of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Yidden should be celebrating his long-term imprisonment rather than having the usual defenders of yiddeshe ganovim, scam artiists, abusers etc. come to his defense. There was even one idiot (who was among those arrested last week for taking pictures of the jurors) who said a yid should never go to jail in the U.S. even if he was guility. Hopefully, Weberman and the 3 charged last week with violating court rules will spend a long time in jail and we will never again hear of them or those who immediately start crying for pidyon shivuiim.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:34 PM kanga Says:

Reply to #51  
No-way Says:

Justice In America: OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony: Not Guilty. But a Hasidic Jew Nechemya Weberman: Guilty with 0 Evidence, You hear all you haters??????? NO EVIDENCE
You should be ashamed of yourselves for playing happy here, what’s there to be happy???? Are you all really convinced that he’s guilty??? Since when are you all having such blind faith in this so corrupt system??? And stop playing the emotional game as if you are all here on behalf of all victims, when it’s very clear that this is driven by your crazy hate for Hasidic Jews

So True!!!!!!! How right you are! And let me add on if it was a fancy litvishe guy or modern being accused how many off you all would say he"s guilty without evidence! Because he is satmar that means he"s automatically guilty???? (and Im nothing to do with satmar)

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:36 PM FBF37 Says:

There is so much to say. Thank you to everyone who help put this menuval away.

To those of you who protect the bad among us and who are screaming where is the evidence?? Lets think about this for a second. We are talking about a child who was abused from the age of 12-16. Lets not forget she is satmar, No videos no access to the news to keep some evidence. She was a young child when this happened. What do you want? A video like with Rabbi Tropper?????

And lets conveniently ignore the facts of four (four!!!!!) hour sessions and trips to the catskills!! Lingerie buying etc... This guy has more red flags then one can buy in one shopping cart!

This guy was so arrogant that he actually thought he would get away with it.

And for those that say why did he not take a plea bargain and plead guilty? If he pleads guilty Satmar kicks him out. He then has no life at all. No satmar (which I guess is a good thing for many) and when he is out of jail he is labeled as an offender. So he figured what does he have to lose. If he is convicted his community and family will still think he is innocent.

B"H this man was found guilty. This is only the beginning.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:42 PM sk8er Says:

There are ONLY two people who know what really took place, Weberman and his accuser, the rest is all speculation. The bottom line is that he was an unlicensed, untrained, counselor acting as some sort of intervention specialist and personally, I find that extremely problematic. All of that aside, using this as a forum to bash Satmar, Chasidim, or the accuser is a Chilul Hashem, no if,s, and's or but's....now about that Lemon Juice kid......what's his deal?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:44 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #33  
GevalDigeh Says:

Nebech. Even if he did do all this acts he is still a yid and we are still tidden rachmonim. Nebech i feel so bad for him. Having to spend the rest of his life in jail. Nebech mebech. U want to punish him? Give him 2-5 yeard. Nebech all his yiddishe life will be spent in prison not being able to serve hakadosh baruch hu

Excuse me? Serve Hakadosh Baruch Hu? In what way by destroying his innocent neshomas? He can daven anywhere and he can learn anywhere. Oh yeah, no one said he knew how to learn. Well maybe its time he started. He will have plenty of time on his hands. I imagine he will NOT be placed in the general population because they don't take nicely to child molesters. He will have plenty of time to serve Hakadosh B"H, while he serves his time in jail. Hashem is in charge, and he has allowed his duplicity to be outed in public. In the mean time at least his potential victims will be safe from him. And that is the idea when it comes to a Rodef!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:48 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #31  
ChareidiMan Says:

In essensce its worst than a murderer except if it is someone elses kid. I wonder how you feel if it was your little shefele, your little princess, your little everything!

I feel good for this victim and ALL the victims in our community, and God only knows how mant there are

You are sooooooo right! She spoke for so many victims who could not reveal themselves and could not speak out for themselves. She described what happened to her, but in essence she was describing many times over what happened to so many others, boys and girls alike, who are still kids or are full grown adults, who just don't have her courage, her support or are afraid of stigmatizing their families by coming forward. What she did, she did for countless numbers of victims and she described countless numbers of molesters.

I hope and pray that everyone in her former community, Satmar, sit down and have a real discussion with their kids about "safety" and how to protect themselves from becoming victims. It is high time everyone dragged their heads out of the sand and acknowledged their own responsibilities to their own children. This young woman cannot do it for you, she can only show you the way.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Lawyer Says:

To all those who keep saying, that there should not be a conviction because it was "she says, he says", I reply that it was actually "she says, liar says", and "she says, thief says". He admitted his use of a nonprofit shell corporation to raise and steal money for personal expenses. Those expenses included women's lingerie, for who exactly, we don't know. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. When you lie about one thing, you lie about a lot of other things. This was a good verdict.

that is blatantly stupid. I have no idea what when do in that court, although I generally trust our legal system. I'm assuming he is guilty. However to suppose that one is guilty of whatever he is accused of because he has lied nce makes no legal or moral sense. If you are a lawyer, I'm Tanta Claus.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:49 PM a Mayvin Says:

Today is a good day for the victims. For years the intimidation by the community has prevented justice. G-d willing with this Menuval out sitting in prison, it should open the doors of juctice, and slowly we can put away all these monsters.

As for the skeptics, that Weberman is a tzadik, I have news for you all, Where there is smoke there is fire. If he was not bound by client / counselor confidentiality rules, then he should have had a running camera of each session, perhaps not audio, but at least video, so he can defend himself. He removed himself form Chezkas Kashrus once he violated Yichud laws.

The dog deserves what he gets .

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:50 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #28  
Yoilish Says:

Unbelievable.

This case is a total he-said-she-said. How in the world can we lock up a father of kids without proof?!

What is especially troubling is the hastiness of our brothers to condemn someone who was accused by someone with an obvious motivation.

Shame.

I have the same obvious motivation. I want to keep children safe and I want to live my life with peace, safety and happiness.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 08:56 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

Very sad day For all of klal yisruel

I agree, it is so sad that WE, the chosen people, have those amongst us who are so phony and do NOT follow the Torah and mitzvos to the letter of the Law! It is such a chilul Hashem that such a menuval was supported by his Rav and his Kehila even though he proved to be oiver standard halachas, proved that he stole from his tzedaka, and still these people were willing to ignore all this and point there fingers at the innocent victim. It is truly a sad day for all K'lal Yisroel that such Chilul Hashem was perpetrated and exposed. But it is a great day for Frum Jews who follow the Torah and want to protect their children from Phony Chassidim who use their levush and connections to hide their evil inclinations. It is very sad that HE embarrassed his entire community and the rest of us Orthodox Jews in this way.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:

interesting.... a girl going to counseling for doing what was deemed inappropriate in her community, later moves out of her community and claims the counselor molested her. Not a very likely way to keep her in the community. this kind of behavior is not a one-time kind of thing & she is the only girl that he counseled to claim this? no one else came out after this that the same happened to them? Anyone else find this ironic and hard to believe? something is rotten in the state of denmark!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:05 PM Avi Says:

All you supposedly-Frum defenders of a sex-abuser are really funny. Have none of you learned a bit of Gemarah? There are probably thousands of he-said-(s)he-said cases presented for analysis. Do all of them end with the accuser/plaintiff being disbelieved for a lack of evidence?

Satmar follow their own Torah anyway, so who knows what kind of crazy 'Halachos' they have.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:06 PM Just the Facts Says:

Post 1 of 2

To all those who are claiming that an Orthodox Jew cannot get a fair trial in the USA, that the Jury was anti-sematic or influenced by an anti-sematic media, or that there was no evidence.

Let’s put the shoe on the other foot.

If you were sitting on a Jury of where a "non-Jew" who was an "Unlicensed Therapist" was accused by a minor of sexually abusing her and during the trial you heard:

1. The parents were forced to use this specific “Unlicensed Therapist” because of information/power that he had over them
2. That the “Unlicensed Therapist” demanded payment for a years’ worth of therapy upfront or else
3. The "Unlicensed Therapist" had the therapy sessions with the minor in a private apartment with no staff for a period of three years
4. The doors to the apartment were always locked with three locks during therapy
5. The bedroom door to the room where the therapy took place was also always kept locked with two locks during therapy
6. There was a bed and mirror in the therapy room
7. The “Unlicensed Therapist” took the minor on an all day trip with no other adults around

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:07 PM Just the Facts Says:

Post 2 of 2

8. After this trip, the parents confronted the “Unlicensed Therapist” and accused him of not being a professional for taking their daughter on an all day trip with no one else around, and because of the power that he had over them, he made them write him an apology letter for having the audacity of accusing him
9. That the “Unlicensed Therapist” had a Charity organization and that Charity funds were used to purchase “Lingerie” in multiple Lingerie shops
10. That Charity funds were used by the “Unlicensed Therapist” to pay for his personal expenses
11. That he had run away girls who were also minors, live in his Office (apartment where he met clients) and they had no interaction with his family or were part of his family life
12. That the minor moved to a new city and started seeing a new therapist. The new Therapist diagnosed her with Post Traumatic Stress/Depression and through the process of therapy uncovered the sexual abuse. She then reported the abuse to the Police.
13. The accuser being grilled by his defense team for over 14 hours over multiple days and she never wavered from her story or was caught with any major inconsistencies

I am sure almost all of you,

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:11 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #99  
Anonymous Says:

With all due respect to you, how do you know whether he did anything to this girl or not.
The alleged victim knows the truth, the alleged perpetrator knows the truth, HASHEM knows the truth and that's it. No one else really knows the truth.
How are you so sure as to rant 'supporters of Weberman are naive and stupid'.
Maybe it's you who is, for being so sure when you have no proof of who's right or wrong in this case.

The truth is as the yiddish saying goes oif dem ganem brent dem hittel,translation on the thief the hat burns, what do you think trying to pay her half a million means nothing it means that they had something very very important to hide and other examples threats its a no brainer that he is guilty as hell ,no one but no one would go to such lenghts as this girl did in front of the whole world if nothing happened to her you guys who think weberman is innocent are tottaly deluding youreselfs you cant bring youreselfs to see that among you such evil person exists.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Those who say that it is not possible that he is guilty are mocking chazal. Chazal said ein apitropis learayos and if you are directly arguing with chazal, rachmana litzlan.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:12 PM Izzy6363 Says:

Lets see how long it's gonna take for a tehilim group, a baking challa group wearing more tsnies flyers and all the other things that make people feel better about themselfs.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:14 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #137  
satmer rebbe Says:

It's time for both Satmer rebbes to make sholom, enough fighting, that's what caused this chilul hashem.

No what caused this chilul Hashem was the actions of Nechemya Weberman. Having said that it would be nice if the Satmer rebbes made sholom. It would be nice if all Jews made sholom. Reading some of the comments here you will, I hope, excuse me for expressing some pessimism
It is time to understand that we as individuals have to follow the laws of the society we live in. The time of we will take care of it ourselves is, for better or worse, finished.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:17 PM bennyt Says:

Reply to #28  
Yoilish Says:

Unbelievable.

This case is a total he-said-she-said. How in the world can we lock up a father of kids without proof?!

What is especially troubling is the hastiness of our brothers to condemn someone who was accused by someone with an obvious motivation.

Shame.

The heroic testimony of the victim is proof enough!!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:18 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #48  
Wise-Guy Says:

While I'm glad whenever a monster is put away, currently I'm not rejoicing. For 2 reasons:

1) From all that I read (mostly anti-Weberman articles, reports and blogs) the evidence and testimonies that were presented in court during this trial was flimsy and strongly circumstantial.
Don't get me wrong, I too lean towards his guilt. But that's mainly because I believe Rabbi Horowitz who claims that there are a handful more victims who are afraid to come forward.
My problem is only that, according to what was presented in court, there should have been "reasonable doubt". Therefore I am wary of the likelihood that Anti-Chareidi (or anti-Semitic) feelings played a major role in this verdict.

This may be one of those times when the decision is correct, but likely for the wrong motives.

2) We can't be too joyful. Even if Weberman would be found guilty beyond ANY doubt, this victory is bitter-sweet at best because of the terrible devastation Weberman brought on his innocent children and grand-children. A large family has now been ruined and demolished.
So, while I can't blame anybody for feeling satisfied, but please, don't pop the champagne...

1) There was no reasonable doubt because HE himself proved that he is NOT credible and not trustworthy. Therefore, no one, not one witness proved that SHE does not have credibility nor that she is not trustworthy. Therefore there is no reason not to believe her. HE and HIS team proved the Yichud, they proved he was a Moser, He admitted that he was neither a Rabbi nor a counselor (he just played one to get money and girls), HE admitted that he stole from his charity. He admitted that he took her across State lines. His defense patronized the jury lying to them that there is no DNA because he is not guilty. They out and out said that DNA lasts forever. DNA in ones mouth or body that is not one's own DNA does not last forever. She lied to the jury and additionally she patronized them by telling them to basically deliberate this like any TV show they follow, such as CSI which she mentioned by name.

He was found guilty because he IS guilty, and they don't have a shadow of a doubt.

2) The family has not NOW been ruined. It was ruined the very first time he cheated on his wife and molested someone. And yes HE did this to them, HE did this to EVERYONE.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:22 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #51  
No-way Says:

Justice In America: OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony: Not Guilty. But a Hasidic Jew Nechemya Weberman: Guilty with 0 Evidence, You hear all you haters??????? NO EVIDENCE
You should be ashamed of yourselves for playing happy here, what’s there to be happy???? Are you all really convinced that he’s guilty??? Since when are you all having such blind faith in this so corrupt system??? And stop playing the emotional game as if you are all here on behalf of all victims, when it’s very clear that this is driven by your crazy hate for Hasidic Jews

Give it up already. These were the words of the Judge as he instructed the jury...there might not be physical evidence in every case which either attorney will present and tagged as an exhibit, however, testimony itself is considered "EVIDENCE"!!!! Both parties gave EVIDENCE for this trial. All of the evidence was evaluated by the jurors, hence the verdict.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:24 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #147  
FBF37 Says:

There is so much to say. Thank you to everyone who help put this menuval away.

To those of you who protect the bad among us and who are screaming where is the evidence?? Lets think about this for a second. We are talking about a child who was abused from the age of 12-16. Lets not forget she is satmar, No videos no access to the news to keep some evidence. She was a young child when this happened. What do you want? A video like with Rabbi Tropper?????

And lets conveniently ignore the facts of four (four!!!!!) hour sessions and trips to the catskills!! Lingerie buying etc... This guy has more red flags then one can buy in one shopping cart!

This guy was so arrogant that he actually thought he would get away with it.

And for those that say why did he not take a plea bargain and plead guilty? If he pleads guilty Satmar kicks him out. He then has no life at all. No satmar (which I guess is a good thing for many) and when he is out of jail he is labeled as an offender. So he figured what does he have to lose. If he is convicted his community and family will still think he is innocent.

B"H this man was found guilty. This is only the beginning.

"And for those that say why did he not take a plea bargain and plead guilty? If he pleads guilty Satmar kicks him out. He then has no life at all. No satmar (which I guess is a good thing for many) and when he is out of jail he is labeled as an offender. So he figured what does he have to lose. If he is convicted his community and family will still think he is innocent."

You are so wrong! Satmar would never have kicked him out. Look how frum he dresses! And, look at how she dresses! He would have been a hero in Satmar. Look at all the lives he was saving! He had everything to lose by not taking the plea bargain. Now, he has lost his community and family forever.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:25 PM BLONDI Says:

i wasnt in court, but did the defense bring even one girl who was helped by him when he was her "counselor"? and i wouldnt call him "rabbi" either. what a bad apple. makes the rest of us look really bad.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #157  
Just the Facts Says:

Post 1 of 2

To all those who are claiming that an Orthodox Jew cannot get a fair trial in the USA, that the Jury was anti-sematic or influenced by an anti-sematic media, or that there was no evidence.

Let’s put the shoe on the other foot.

If you were sitting on a Jury of where a "non-Jew" who was an "Unlicensed Therapist" was accused by a minor of sexually abusing her and during the trial you heard:

1. The parents were forced to use this specific “Unlicensed Therapist” because of information/power that he had over them
2. That the “Unlicensed Therapist” demanded payment for a years’ worth of therapy upfront or else
3. The "Unlicensed Therapist" had the therapy sessions with the minor in a private apartment with no staff for a period of three years
4. The doors to the apartment were always locked with three locks during therapy
5. The bedroom door to the room where the therapy took place was also always kept locked with two locks during therapy
6. There was a bed and mirror in the therapy room
7. The “Unlicensed Therapist” took the minor on an all day trip with no other adults around

& no one was looking out for this poor child & they sent her to such a sketchy place& more than once? this therapist had a practice- if he really did all that why in heavens name would anyone send their child there?!?! even if u have never been to therapy before some things are just common sense. if this man wanted to molest children do u really think he would make it that obvious?!? and no one knew?!? what kind of craziness is that?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:29 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #56  
No-way Says:

And why is everyone playing blind to the fact that many women that were treated by Webermen and wanted to come and testify on his behalf were intimidated and threatened??? But again, no word from you guys, because who cares, since this will not help you in your smear campaign Shame on us all

I never heard this before? Which women were "treated" by him? who intimidated and threatened them, their husbands, HIS wife? Which husband would allow their wives to be alone with him? Shame on THEM! How extremely disrespectful to his wife. How can he claim he helps other marriages when he shows such a lack of sensitivity and respect to his own wife???

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Truth Says:

Did they just convict an innocent man?
Why did the girl wait till now to report it? Did she tell her parents at the time and if not why not?
Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?

"Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?"

Yes, there are 4 more girls who have been waiting to see the outcome of this trial. They will now come forth probably within the next 2 weeks. The paperwork will take a few more weeks. Stay tuned.

Just like in the Jerry Sandusky case, many came forward after the news of the first kid was printed.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
GevalDigeh Says:

Nebech. Even if he did do all this acts he is still a yid and we are still tidden rachmonim. Nebech i feel so bad for him. Having to spend the rest of his life in jail. Nebech mebech. U want to punish him? Give him 2-5 yeard. Nebech all his yiddishe life will be spent in prison not being able to serve hakadosh baruch hu

"Give him 2-5 yeard. Nebech all his yiddishe life will be spent in prison not being able to serve hakadosh baruch hu"

If he only got 2-5 years, he would be out again and would be rehired at the same school to abuse MY kinder!!!!! No way!!!!!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:33 PM Anonymous Says:

#157 clarified it for us all. Thank you! I want to applaud the victim, her husband & her mother, her family for supporting her all through this ordeal. You are her support, you are her encouragement....this is part of the healing process. May you all have stregnth to move forward & see light at the end of this dark tunnel children! innocent children! How can individuals damage such pure souls! how ? ad masai? we need moshiach. These are tayara children! these are precious neshamas getting damaged & effected by these corrupt low lives! Victim hold ur head high & be proud of yourself! you are setting an example!!! JUSTICE PREVAILS!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #161  
Izzy6363 Says:

Lets see how long it's gonna take for a tehilim group, a baking challa group wearing more tsnies flyers and all the other things that make people feel better about themselfs.

Fortunately, even the most extreme groups will not be able to muster any support for this guy.....any chllah that might be baked for him would assure its the first and last time he made motzi while in prison

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:42 PM shlomogabai Says:

I'm shocked! Where does all this hatred come from! Jews gloat over another yids downfall! King david says binfoel ovecha al titmach! even if you consider him an enemy, you should not rejoice! Does anybody here doubt that another yids downfall will bring upon us any less anti semitism? the daily news had it on their front page a couple of days! Will any of us have any benefit from this? Not from the victim, nor from the sinner!

I'm saddened that a yid fell for his yetzer horah! again for his victim, and again for the gloating by other yiddin on another yids downfall, and hopefully it stops there.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:44 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #68  
Ayin_Tachas_Ayin Says:

It's a sad day even if the allegations are true!!! This man was not PROVEN guilty in any way,. this is a mere assupmtion by the jury.

It's a sad day as a someone will be locked up for life with NO proof.

All you happy people - please note - a disgruntled employee of yours or even a workmate could drag you into to court and do the same to YOU.

Save your happiness. I am not from Satmar, but this story scared the wits out of me as I have business with many employees and through the years and I am sure that some have an ax to grind.

What the innocent man's protection???

Its just nuts what you people keep coming up with. The DA does not do this for the fun of it. If they didn't have valid proof, they wouldn't waste their time and our money going after him!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 09:58 PM ExpatriateOwl Says:

To Yoilish [#28] and others:

It was NOT just a "he said - she said" case!

There were bank and charge card transactions to corroborate some of the assertions, including transactions at stores which would have their windows broken if they were to set up shop in Satmar neighborhoods.

If it can be called a "he said - she said" case, then it all the more can be called a "follow the money" case.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Hashem controls all that happens in the world including this trial. If he's innocent maybe he was sent to prison to be a chevrusah with another inmate.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #87  
monishmo Says:

A lie detecting test would help me decide if I should feel bad for the victom or accuser . The accuser had coaching on this and a personal agenda to attack Weberman. This accuser is troubled from way before she met him. In any case let alone jury and judge etc....If falsly accused Hashem will take revenge on the accuser and her coachers.

Interesting concept. Why didn't the accused offer to take a lie detector test. No one can force him to do it. He would have to offer to do it. If he was truly innocent, and he was a counselor besides, why would he have a problem with it? If he was telling the truth, he should be able to stay calm and taking a lie detector test should not have presented a problem for him.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:08 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

Yes I do, I need more. The levush means nothing. Looking at them means nothing. Monstrowitz also looked frum and eidel and no one is blaming his family for what he did. And that goes for Kolko as well, so what does the way his family or the way he looks have to do with anything. And what does how frum, chassidish, orthodox, modern, secular or whatever have to do with anything. There are plenty of Chassidim in jail, so what does that prove? And there are plenty of secular "looking" yiddin who are way more frum than these phony chassidim and would never be b'yichud with anyone but their own spouses. So again, what is your point? Appearances mean nothing. Look at Tropper as well, and he was a Rosh Yeshiva, and then there is Weingarten...should I continue???

I will tell you again, your levush means NOTHING. It is your Maasim that tell the truth!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM from-here_to-there Says:

To some people what you wear on the outside is what counts and the inside feelings are meaningless. So a man or woman wears the right suit of clothes, the right style hat, speaks the right language with the right dialect and does it all for show is (in the minds of some) a superior person to a person who may have proper emunah, proper behavior, follows halacha (inside and outside the house) if this person has the unmitigated gall to not wear the same uniform.

These phony headlines "Religious man goes to jail for"... ponzi scheme or mortgage fraud... sorry he wears the suit but the suit does not make him religious - the behaviors and actions do and a thief and a rapist are not religious people.

If there are many young folks truly going off the derech - my speculation is because there are many older folks (role models - and I don't mean their parents) are OTD but not labeled because they still wear the garb and they think they are fooling others. They may fool their spouse and their Rebbe but they are not fooling the young folks.

If any group is facing a crisis of young folks showing OTD behaviors (real or perceived), perhaps they should first look to see what the root cause is.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Forwarded to me by Rabbi Weberman's son:

Weberman Family Statement: We felt Hashem is with us when we davened & hoped for the best. We still daven we still hope & we feel Hashem is still here.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 11:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Bottom line all u people that are so happy can just as easily be put away for life as we see no proof is needed so stop rejoicing

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM shredready Says:

for all those who say a yid cannot get a fair trial wake up his accuser was a yid.

and if they truly hated Jews and they thought he was guilty they would have found him not guilty to abuse more kids

interesting all you guys how a frum guy cannot get a fair trial yet your own rebboes are going to secular court. while they shamelessly scream at anybody who does the same

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM UseYourHead Says:

There's a very fine line between THERAPIST and THE RAPIST.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 10:46 PM loggic4achange Says:

Regardless if he did it or not, which only 2 people possibly know the truth! Who an I to judge?
The bigger scheme is we all as parents hopefully will be alert & aware of these so called "counselors" that are unlicensed! Unqualified! Therefore not bound by the rules of "confidentiality" not insured for Malpractice, etc..
We've all heard of the occasional case where parents are approached by their kids school, made aware of an issue with their child & advised to seek council, Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, there are plenty of professional therapists, lesson be learned if your ever in this unfortunate situation, don't panic! Do your research!! Find the "appropiate" help!! Don't fall for these one track minded scheme artists!!
History has shown that all these "unlicensed therapists" all have the same tracts, usually troubled themselves at one point, a good mouth piece, an arrogant smile & one destination! The vulnerable "patients" pants!!
I speak from personal experiences, as I'm sure many of you could attest as well... As Parents let's try to be smart, cause the pain is imbearable!!

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM PashutehYid Says:

Despite this whole ordeal, I still contend that we are a holy nation, and those who have let us down by committing these types of crimes are the very rare exceptions. I and others would never hesitate to send our kids on rides to out of town locations with frum people, as is done all the times in our communities for simchas, shabbatons, out-shabboses from yeshivos, rides to camp, etc. This has always been the norm for all of us. Nobody checks references before accepting rides, because it is so rare that there is a problem, as to be almost unheard of. How often do you see after a chasuna, people asking, anybody going to Flatbush, Boro Park, Far Rockaway, Five Towns, Passaic, Lakewood, etc.

We always have and hopefully always will trust our fellow Jews.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 11:32 PM kweanbea Says:

Reply to #174  
shlomogabai Says:

I'm shocked! Where does all this hatred come from! Jews gloat over another yids downfall! King david says binfoel ovecha al titmach! even if you consider him an enemy, you should not rejoice! Does anybody here doubt that another yids downfall will bring upon us any less anti semitism? the daily news had it on their front page a couple of days! Will any of us have any benefit from this? Not from the victim, nor from the sinner!

I'm saddened that a yid fell for his yetzer horah! again for his victim, and again for the gloating by other yiddin on another yids downfall, and hopefully it stops there.

When a dangerous predator is locked up and can't hurt any more innocent victims, it is time to rejoice. Do you not see a benefit to society at large, and the frum community in particular? Are you more concerned about anti-Semitism than about preventing abuse?

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 11:45 PM justdotherightthing Says:

Reply to #171  
Anonymous Says:

"Give him 2-5 yeard. Nebech all his yiddishe life will be spent in prison not being able to serve hakadosh baruch hu"

If he only got 2-5 years, he would be out again and would be rehired at the same school to abuse MY kinder!!!!! No way!!!!!

Do you really think this wonderful civil servant would have had a lighter sentence if he was gentile? i cant believe these posts!!! Have all you people really gone mad???!! If you read through all the VIN posts after poor Leiby Kletsky was killed- You find nobody giving Levi Aron the benefit of the doubt. Of course when it came to his time in court nobody mourned his punishment. Why do all of you feel Nechemya Weberman is any different? Of course you dont want your fellow jew to suffer- I get it- but if my fellow jew commits a crime we all have to live within the reality that will live within a world built on rules. In the case the dang rule book says keep your filthy paws off innocent children- Dont defend this pig- live with the strange reality that a criminal must take take his punishemnt - jew or gentile. There is no anti semetic conspiracy, bias, or double standards here. You all sound like a bunch of Al Sharpton's!! - No one is buying your bull-

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 11:47 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #158  
Just the Facts Says:

Post 2 of 2

8. After this trip, the parents confronted the “Unlicensed Therapist” and accused him of not being a professional for taking their daughter on an all day trip with no one else around, and because of the power that he had over them, he made them write him an apology letter for having the audacity of accusing him
9. That the “Unlicensed Therapist” had a Charity organization and that Charity funds were used to purchase “Lingerie” in multiple Lingerie shops
10. That Charity funds were used by the “Unlicensed Therapist” to pay for his personal expenses
11. That he had run away girls who were also minors, live in his Office (apartment where he met clients) and they had no interaction with his family or were part of his family life
12. That the minor moved to a new city and started seeing a new therapist. The new Therapist diagnosed her with Post Traumatic Stress/Depression and through the process of therapy uncovered the sexual abuse. She then reported the abuse to the Police.
13. The accuser being grilled by his defense team for over 14 hours over multiple days and she never wavered from her story or was caught with any major inconsistencies

I am sure almost all of you,

I am the Truth and I'm going to analyze your facts:
1 & 2. Maybe unethical but doesn't point to molestation.
3, 4, 5, 6, & 7. Did he do this with all his clients or just with her? If she was singled out then this would be circumstantial evidence against him.
8, 9, & 10. Same response as I posted to 1 & 2.
11. Did these girls ever claim molestation or are they about to or did they claim this guy is on the up & up?
12. When did this therapy start & the abuse was discovered - before she had her
boyfriend or after? Afterwards it could be he was feeding her the info about abuse.
If it was before she was involved with the boyfriend it would be circumstantial evidence against the defendant.
13. How accurate did she not waver? 100% accuracy or there was minor inaccuracies? Minor inconsistencies would point that she is telling the truth. If she had the story perfectly down pat - it points to an actress who just made up the story down to the last detail.

I'm sure you can answer all my questions because if not - nothing you posted points to any guilt. I'm sure the jury wouldn't convict any human being without even circumstantial evidence -so I'm waiting your reply.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 11:49 PM Simplogic Says:

Reply to #146  
kanga Says:

So True!!!!!!! How right you are! And let me add on if it was a fancy litvishe guy or modern being accused how many off you all would say he"s guilty without evidence! Because he is satmar that means he"s automatically guilty???? (and Im nothing to do with satmar)

Wrong!
There have been numerous "prominent" modern orthodox individuals (a RCA Rabbi), (Hebrew Day School Teachers) and Litvishe ( Torah Temimah etc)
that have been on trial , and they have not received the defense and support that the satmar chasidim are giving weberman.

Satmar (and many other religious communities) will continue to have zero credibility until they actually deal with the issue of abuse , and start protecting the victims not the abusers.

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 Dec 10, 2012 at 11:58 PM BaruchHashem Says:

Hashem runs the world. End of story.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

And I imagine what you must look like defending this rasha because he wears a black hat and his wife wears a sheitel. WHO CARES??

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:14 AM Anonymous Says:

im not commenting on this case- as i dont know the facts.
what i do know is that i grew up in a chassidishe community and althoughi attended a bais yaakov- it was as though i went to public school according to my neighbors.....so many years later...and so much tzeddaka that i give, tefillos that i daven...i still carry that black sheep shame...although ii know (according to my chassidishe rav who paskens hundreds of shailos daily...) that i can put most to shame wth my yiras shamayim. a long skirt or sheitel does not make me a zoineh....in addition- i watched my friend who did go to satmar- get harrassinf, scary threatening phone calls from the local vaad hatzniyus...her mother dealt with these threats...it was insane...why were they looking at her?

there MUST be some changes made to this system. why are there so many leaving? and so many that are gone but wearing a mask to blend in...because its too scary to leave...

the change must come with the 2 brothers- Rebbe's making shalom between them. the shehina doesnt dwell without peace.
we need role models.
whether the girl is right or not- she better run out of town...for her safety.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #182  
Anonymous Says:

Bottom line all u people that are so happy can just as easily be put away for life as we see no proof is needed so stop rejoicing

No....all we people who are "so happy" that a pervert is locked away for life cannot just as easily be put away for life. We did not and will not engage in the abusive behavior that resulted in Weberman's conviction.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:31 AM ChareidiMan Says:

Reply to #181  
Anonymous Says:

Forwarded to me by Rabbi Weberman's son:

Weberman Family Statement: We felt Hashem is with us when we davened & hoped for the best. We still daven we still hope & we feel Hashem is still here.

Forward to me by Common Sense:

Hashem indeed is still with us and thats why he is protecting the community by taking off a convicted molester and rapist of the street

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Watching NBC News, ABC News , PIX 11 and others, it’s very sad how the Williamsburg community is responding to the verdict.

I am not making fun as I am a Williamsburg person myself, but the answers given to the news media makes no sense.

One guy says: I learned with him in the Yeshiva, so I know him well. The other one: She is for sure lying, I am a close friend to him and I know for a fact he is not capable of doing it.

The brain washing is so strong! Like do you expect them to carry a tag saying, Hi my name is nechemya and I am a molester? Come on. I understand being heart broken, but you can do much better than that

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:45 AM ShlomoH Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

Are you out of your mind?? Firstly, what does secular or religious have to do with any of this? Secondly, are you that naive to believe still in today's day and age that you judge people's religiosity and character by how they look? How shallow is that??!! Many people look frum that are very far from frum. In fact that don't even know what frum ever meant. Don't be fooled by the shtreimelach, shpitzels and beards. That is being naive at best and dumb & stupid at worst. On the other hand I know many people that may look secular in your eyes but are in fact more religious than you yourself are, despite my not knowing you. C'mon look a little deeper.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:49 AM what is the meaning Says:

You have a right to a jury of your peers?
Anyone know if it was a jury of his peers?
btw it is a constitutional right.
And is it excercised fairly across all cases or only selectively ?
Are the judges concerned about this?
How about yesterday there were media reports of the relieved alternate jurors I think stating that they could not convict based on the evidence.
I am sorry but I am only asking

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:58 AM ANONYMOUS12 Says:

Aron Levy got 40 years. The guy who killed Rosenbaum by Crown Heights riots got 10 yrs. Simpson caught with knife in his hand walks free. Casey Anthony with massive evidence walks free. Weberman with 0 evidence, Max 117 yrs min 25 yrs.=JEW The point is not if he was guilty or not. A Jew Has 0 chances on trial... FACT!!!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:06 AM Anonymous Says:

For all you ppl that are so happy it looks like you know the story inside out. you know the proof evidence etc. why shouldn't you be so kind and share it here...... My point is if the story would be true i understand your happiness. but when you have a story that has no proof to itself whats the happiness??!!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
satmar Says:

Its a sad day for us. We know he is innocent and the case is a fabrication. Its a victory to all those that wage war against us. We must daven to Hashem and ask for rachamim that he be saved from prison and the reshoim.

He is not innocent! He was found guilty on all 60 counts! Open up your eyes! You should Daven to Hashem that people stop molesting people and that Jews start acting how Jews are supposed to!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #99  
Anonymous Says:

With all due respect to you, how do you know whether he did anything to this girl or not.
The alleged victim knows the truth, the alleged perpetrator knows the truth, HASHEM knows the truth and that's it. No one else really knows the truth.
How are you so sure as to rant 'supporters of Weberman are naive and stupid'.
Maybe it's you who is, for being so sure when you have no proof of who's right or wrong in this case.

Because no one in their right mind would willingly put themselves in the position that this girl had for no reason. Why don't you read up on what the process is and then tell me that she didn't tell the truth.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Truth Says:

Did they just convict an innocent man?
Why did the girl wait till now to report it? Did she tell her parents at the time and if not why not?
Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?

Would you have told your parents at 12 years old??? Furthermore, would you have said something if you lived in a community where you basically get spit on because someone who calls himself a rabbi violated you?????

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #114  
heimisheryid Says:

sure that the dress don't mean everything. but at his family there is no drop-outs, they got a real frum chinch.

If I'm not mistaken, children learn by example. With Weberman doing what he was, he wasn't exactly living such a pure life filled with Torah. Thus, I am sure the kids saw contradictions. Oh, and by the way, just because there are no drop outs, doesn't mean the chinuch they received was real.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:35 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #182  
Anonymous Says:

Bottom line all u people that are so happy can just as easily be put away for life as we see no proof is needed so stop rejoicing

All of us need to realize that we stand before the King, Melech Mamchei Hamelachim, 24/7. We must always behave with that in mind, that we stand before the King. If you sin Ben Adom l'makom there will be a consequence. If you sin Ben Adom L'adom, there are different consequences. When HShem wants to keep things quiet he allows it, but when things have gone too far and there IS no governess according to HIS way, HE will make sure that things will be exposed. Everything happens for a reason,

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:43 AM Speak Says:

Reply to #129  
IJK12 Says:

Yea of course! Keep yapping like this but when someone will fabricate a story on you - which is VERY easy in the US - and let's say your innocent, & the verdict is guilty............. You fill in the blanks!

I'll fill in the blanks...He was found guilty on all 60 counts. Someone found guilty and was punished with 117 years in jail...well let me tell you something...the story wasn't fabricated. Oh, and if you don't do anything wrong, no one will be able to fabricate anything because the story will be found untrue very quickly.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #166  
Ina Says:

"And for those that say why did he not take a plea bargain and plead guilty? If he pleads guilty Satmar kicks him out. He then has no life at all. No satmar (which I guess is a good thing for many) and when he is out of jail he is labeled as an offender. So he figured what does he have to lose. If he is convicted his community and family will still think he is innocent."

You are so wrong! Satmar would never have kicked him out. Look how frum he dresses! And, look at how she dresses! He would have been a hero in Satmar. Look at all the lives he was saving! He had everything to lose by not taking the plea bargain. Now, he has lost his community and family forever.

How frum he dresses?!?!?!? Since when does that make you frum???? I hope he would've been kicked out of Satmar for his abhorrent behavior!! Look how many lives he's saving??? Are you not understanding what he did????? Satmar would have had everything to lose if he took the plea bargain.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:49 AM sasha fox Says:

Reply to #10  
Dave Says:

He had no chance ever!
It's him against a girl
I'm telling you they decided on Friday to indite him but didnt want to dopers anti semetic

he was done the minute he stepped into a court room. did any one in his right mind think,that weberman or for that matter, or any other jew (especially a hasidic jew,) can win a case in N Y C

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
Anonymous Says:

This is very depressing - I hope she admits she made it up if she did make it up - knowing him I find it very hard to believe he did it. If he did, chas vshalom, he is getting what he deserves, but I cannot believe this story she made up.

Imagine if it happened to your daughter, G-d Forbid, I wonder if you would still be saying you hope she admits she made it up..? And for your information, molesters are generally people that are very close to the victim and you would never be able to tell that they are in fact molesters. So I don't find it hard to believe that you can't believe he did it.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
are you realy a parent? Says:

If what you write is true? Then you can say it.
But I know that you are not a parent. You are like the Wife of Potifar who was happy to put Yosef Hayzadik to Jail.
Hashem will pay you for what you deserve.

You are definitely NOT a parent if you can say such a comment. Don't compare this man to Yosef. Yosef was a tzadik- this man is far far far from that.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 02:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #155  
Anonymous Says:

interesting.... a girl going to counseling for doing what was deemed inappropriate in her community, later moves out of her community and claims the counselor molested her. Not a very likely way to keep her in the community. this kind of behavior is not a one-time kind of thing & she is the only girl that he counseled to claim this? no one else came out after this that the same happened to them? Anyone else find this ironic and hard to believe? something is rotten in the state of denmark!

Maybe Denmark but not NYC! There were 6 others that came forward to the DA but were too afraid to testify / be identified... in an environment of such severe intimidation, and reprisal against not only the alleged victims but her immediate and extended family, I don't blame them. I hope Weberman gets his just punishment - nightly from his cellmate!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 06:11 AM monalisa Says:

PARENTS....don't think that dealing with things "in-house" is better than going to a qualified professional. If you ostriches would think for yourselves instead of letting your community think for you, you would find many FRUM, competent, moral therapists who can help your children. A couple of phone calls, you have a name of a reputable person, you take your child, you wait outside the room for him/her & if your child doesn't like the therapist at any time, well, there's always someone else who is a better fit. It's a tragedy that this man was able to get away with it for so long. If he was a goy you'd have lynched him. I feel so bad for his victims (she is not the only one, far from it) & his poor family, shamed beyond their wildest nightmares.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:23 AM fat36 Says:

I 2nd #59 the court found him guilty so be it. But to all those out there opening you mouth theirs a G-D out their and if he did not put his hands in your pants becareful u did not see and what gos around CAN come around and we talk about the arabs dancing around maybe we should give out candy PS 2 #59 you see how noone care anymore sad sad

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:27 AM naisgal Says:

Reply to #78  
flatbush yid Says:

Its a sad day. Orthodox jews will almost never get a fair trial in New York. The killer of yankel Rosenbaum lives freely in New Jersey. He got off first time with a black jury despite the bloody knife. Here it was He said She said. No evidence. We religious Jews are to blame. We allowed our elected politicians to vote in gay marriage and soon we will have to pack our bags because bris millah will be outlawed by mohelim and only doctors wearing gloves will be allowed to perform it. Next we will be forbidden to keep the anti gay statements in out sefer Torahs andf seforim due to liberal fascism. We vote for liberals we get what we deserve.

I agree that courts are corrupt, but so is our beis din I am told. The only fair judge is Hashem. Ask anyone who went to court for a divorce and used frum lawyers if they got justice. There is plenty of corruption in courts, and they are there to give lawyers a parnasa not to seek truth.
But in this case, a true therapist felt she needed to follow the law and report this. The girl never did so, as she was taught no one would care, or that she most likely brought it on herself ( it did not happen to other girls) or that no one would believe her.
The reason Jews are so hated, and it manifests itself in the court with harsher than usual punishments, is because of how we treat each other and how we continue to have sinat chimum, so sure, if we cannot be at peace within our own families and communities, why expect strangers to be good to us?
There is indeed a war on Jews from time immemorial and we do not get fair treatment, but do not expect it. Frum judges will sooner help a goy than their fellow Jew, just to show how fair they are to non Jews.
This girl was harmed. Perhaps now she can move on. This was a pig with a shtreimel.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:44 AM naisgal Says:

Our court systems are corrupt, for sure, and anyone working with divorce lawyers, frum or secular, Jewish or gentile, knows this all too well.
But here the child did not report the abuse, her licensed therapist did, as required by law. Most likely the girl's educational training in a Chasiddishe school convinced her she had brought it on herself, or no one would care even if they did believe her, and they would more likely not believe her or say they didn't even if they really did.The cards were definitely stacked against her on every turn. For all we know, some may still think this man saved her from a life on the streets.
There are countries and cultures where twelve year olds marry ( India) and these girls are considered women not children, despite their age. But in USA, this is considered pedophilia. Here, a child went to get help with her inability to conform, and a pig with a shreimel saw it as an oppotunity to exploit her and get paid to do so, to boot. No she is not lying. Without our courts, he would feel no remorse at all. So even though our courts are corrupt, still we need them. Many have come to think our beis dins are also corrupt, always for the men vs the women

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:47 AM naisgal Says:

Reply to #183  
shredready Says:

for all those who say a yid cannot get a fair trial wake up his accuser was a yid.

and if they truly hated Jews and they thought he was guilty they would have found him not guilty to abuse more kids

interesting all you guys how a frum guy cannot get a fair trial yet your own rebboes are going to secular court. while they shamelessly scream at anybody who does the same

They like it even more when two yids are at each others throats.
Our courts leave a lot to be desired as do our frum lawyers.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:06 AM Ina Says:

Reply to #207  
Anonymous Says:

How frum he dresses?!?!?!? Since when does that make you frum???? I hope he would've been kicked out of Satmar for his abhorrent behavior!! Look how many lives he's saving??? Are you not understanding what he did????? Satmar would have had everything to lose if he took the plea bargain.

No, you are not getting it. Satmar has nothing to lose except for the almighty dollar and maybe that is all that really matters to them! Unfortunately, nothing he did really matters to them. They will continue to believe in his goodness because, after all, look at the way he dresses. They will continue to insist that he saved lives! He would have been welcomed warmly if he had but taken the plea deal. You will see, their attitude towards child molestation will not change.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:02 AM Huh? Says:

Reply to #200  
Anonymous Says:

For all you ppl that are so happy it looks like you know the story inside out. you know the proof evidence etc. why shouldn't you be so kind and share it here...... My point is if the story would be true i understand your happiness. but when you have a story that has no proof to itself whats the happiness??!!

you do realize that he was found guilty in a court of law, don't you?
Therefore, it is not necessary to prove anything to you.
This was a profound indictment of the satmar mosdos. Don't miss this opportunity to do tsuvah!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:03 AM Chaim Says:

His arrogance and encouragement by his cronies is what put him away!! If he had a half a brain he would've taken a plea (and could'hve blamed his lawyer's advice that a yid never goes to trial bla bla bla etc) Now The gates r wide open for all his other victims and others to come out and talk freely!! They have nothing to be afraid of anymore!! Thanks to this brave little girl!! He turned kids against parents parents against kids & Friends against friends in order to get his pleasures satisfied!! Sof Ganef L'tliya!! This sick-fk was Probably thinking to himself while the trial was going on "Can't wait for this to be over I'll be found not guilty so I can go on with my practice" and maybe even add another bed to my office so I can Counsel more than one client at time!!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:06 AM chachom Says:

I don't know the facts but I know 2 things.
1.DA Hynes would prosecute a case for political gain.
2 Satmar would cover up anything to protect itself.

As far as I'm concerned it's a hung jury.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:06 AM Sholem Says:

Reply to #115  
Wise-Guy Says:

Come to think of it, why Takeh was not a polygraph (lie detector test) not administered for both sides?

I know that polygraphs are not considered fool-proof evidence in court, but it would have lent a lot of credibility to one side or the other.

If Weberman would have failed the test, I, for one, would be much more "comfortable" with this verdict.

I'm not sure if you realize but this case was not about making you feel comfortable!! It was about many victims he made feel uncomfortable!!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:07 AM Huh? Says:

Reply to #208  
sasha fox Says:

he was done the minute he stepped into a court room. did any one in his right mind think,that weberman or for that matter, or any other jew (especially a hasidic jew,) can win a case in N Y C

Thousands of cases are won by jews, including religious jews, every year.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:14 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #199  
ANONYMOUS12 Says:

Aron Levy got 40 years. The guy who killed Rosenbaum by Crown Heights riots got 10 yrs. Simpson caught with knife in his hand walks free. Casey Anthony with massive evidence walks free. Weberman with 0 evidence, Max 117 yrs min 25 yrs.=JEW The point is not if he was guilty or not. A Jew Has 0 chances on trial... FACT!!!

you are taking some hight profile cases out of 100,000 of cases that people got off. what about the other 99.99% that did got convicted. or that the jails are full. or that VIn had a news article where fum person did not get convicted.

you are like the people who do not wear seat belt because they know one story out of a million that not wearing it saved their lives

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:17 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #199  
ANONYMOUS12 Says:

Aron Levy got 40 years. The guy who killed Rosenbaum by Crown Heights riots got 10 yrs. Simpson caught with knife in his hand walks free. Casey Anthony with massive evidence walks free. Weberman with 0 evidence, Max 117 yrs min 25 yrs.=JEW The point is not if he was guilty or not. A Jew Has 0 chances on trial... FACT!!!

and i might add you sound like a broken record since people like you never ever accept a guilty verdict no matter the case when the person looks frum.

and that is sad and scary because when there will be a raal case of conviction simply because they peron is a yid nobody will listen to you.

maybe you never heard the story of the little boy who cried wolf

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #215  
naisgal Says:

Our court systems are corrupt, for sure, and anyone working with divorce lawyers, frum or secular, Jewish or gentile, knows this all too well.
But here the child did not report the abuse, her licensed therapist did, as required by law. Most likely the girl's educational training in a Chasiddishe school convinced her she had brought it on herself, or no one would care even if they did believe her, and they would more likely not believe her or say they didn't even if they really did.The cards were definitely stacked against her on every turn. For all we know, some may still think this man saved her from a life on the streets.
There are countries and cultures where twelve year olds marry ( India) and these girls are considered women not children, despite their age. But in USA, this is considered pedophilia. Here, a child went to get help with her inability to conform, and a pig with a shreimel saw it as an oppotunity to exploit her and get paid to do so, to boot. No she is not lying. Without our courts, he would feel no remorse at all. So even though our courts are corrupt, still we need them. Many have come to think our beis dins are also corrupt, always for the men vs the women

Educating kids that they are not to be touched inappropriately is a parent's job, not a school's job.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:33 AM shedready Says:

Reply to #216  
naisgal Says:

They like it even more when two yids are at each others throats.
Our courts leave a lot to be desired as do our frum lawyers.

why is it no one including you do not think the courts are corrupt if the accused is a goy or say nebech who will feed his family and every other excuse you can find.

Get over it there are frum criminals, molesters and very other thing one can thing of and always has been. however, now more people are will to speak out and go to court and that is what is scaring every since the facade we are better than everybody such thing do not happen and is being peeled away slowly and slowly and instead of dealing with the core issue you attack and others attack and cry foul or attack the whistle blower

if the court are so corrupt and just love when two Jews go after each other why are your great ones going to that very court the satmar brother

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:38 AM MONTREALYID Says:

Religion is supposed to guide our lives. Its not supposed to control our lives.

When we lose sight of that, we allow these self anointed maven menuvals to control our lives.

This should be a wake up call to everyone who truly beleives in our religion.

Only you and G-d are to make amends. You dont need intermediaries.

Daven, be good to eachother, respect everyone and the rest will come into play.

Yiddishkeit is all about menchlichkeit.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #189  
Truth Says:

I am the Truth and I'm going to analyze your facts:
1 & 2. Maybe unethical but doesn't point to molestation.
3, 4, 5, 6, & 7. Did he do this with all his clients or just with her? If she was singled out then this would be circumstantial evidence against him.
8, 9, & 10. Same response as I posted to 1 & 2.
11. Did these girls ever claim molestation or are they about to or did they claim this guy is on the up & up?
12. When did this therapy start & the abuse was discovered - before she had her
boyfriend or after? Afterwards it could be he was feeding her the info about abuse.
If it was before she was involved with the boyfriend it would be circumstantial evidence against the defendant.
13. How accurate did she not waver? 100% accuracy or there was minor inaccuracies? Minor inconsistencies would point that she is telling the truth. If she had the story perfectly down pat - it points to an actress who just made up the story down to the last detail.

I'm sure you can answer all my questions because if not - nothing you posted points to any guilt. I'm sure the jury wouldn't convict any human being without even circumstantial evidence -so I'm waiting your reply.

For the umpteetnth time.....
Testimony is evidence. The corroboration of events, timelines and key elements is also evidence. It is all circumstantial. And Weberman proved himself a liar on the stand, the jury chose not to believe his words which was his evidence.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #199  
ANONYMOUS12 Says:

Aron Levy got 40 years. The guy who killed Rosenbaum by Crown Heights riots got 10 yrs. Simpson caught with knife in his hand walks free. Casey Anthony with massive evidence walks free. Weberman with 0 evidence, Max 117 yrs min 25 yrs.=JEW The point is not if he was guilty or not. A Jew Has 0 chances on trial... FACT!!!

Just because you write the word "fact" in big shouty capitals does not make it so. I don't even know where you get your 117 year reference. I believe the 25 years for the worst counts which was 3 counts adds up to 75 years. The man was convicted, not sentenced yet. Personally I think he should get the max but calm down and stop yelling fallacies. Jews who commit crimes should do the time just like anyone else.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 10:12 AM Anonymous Says:

We have a community that allows pseudo-therapists to thrive. How many rabbonim, chosson/kallah teachers, askanim, etc. are used to help out with problems of marital discord, behavior problems in children, etc.? And our "educated" community still buys into that model! It's disgraceful when a young woman approaches a Rav, reports to him that she is a kallah but has a history of being molested by a relative, and this Rav teaches her the "facts of life" - "hands on"! And no one stops this Rav. There are many similar experiences that I can list, and some of these people are known to the rabbonim in town, all who are hesitant or plainly afraid to stop them. If they would only learn something about the subjects they seek to address in their askanus, we might be facing less danger. Meanwhile, it hurts to say this, but use your Rav only for halacha shailos or spiritual guidance, not personal problems (unless he has such training).

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 10:27 AM LEEAVE Says:

Reply to #134  
BP MOM Says:

I see that most comments are most prob from his close family and friends and vaad hatznius guys who are shaking in their pants. It wasn't a he said she said situation if you were at court. He and all of HIS witnesses were caught lying and the jury saw right through it! So stop repeating the rhetoric of he said she said. It's getting stale.

if any1 was caught lying it was the little shiksele, with all the sub-jews around her

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 10:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #225  
Anonymous Says:

Educating kids that they are not to be touched inappropriately is a parent's job, not a school's job.

Wrong. Schools undertake the child's chinuch for many hours of the child's waking time. Schools share a responsibility with the parents on everything educational. Just think. Yeshivos are the first to take credit when a talmid succeeds, sometimes even excluding the role of the parents in producing a good kid. They must accept their part of the responsibility as well. The concept of כאלו ילדו is not a statement about merit. It describes the responsibility.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #194  
Anonymous Says:

No....all we people who are "so happy" that a pervert is locked away for life cannot just as easily be put away for life. We did not and will not engage in the abusive behavior that resulted in Weberman's conviction.

all i am saying that there is no way to defend urslef in a case where there is zero evidence so what stop anyone of just acuusing YOU and you too will b locked up for life so b careful what you are so happy about

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #205  
Sherree Says:

All of us need to realize that we stand before the King, Melech Mamchei Hamelachim, 24/7. We must always behave with that in mind, that we stand before the King. If you sin Ben Adom l'makom there will be a consequence. If you sin Ben Adom L'adom, there are different consequences. When HShem wants to keep things quiet he allows it, but when things have gone too far and there IS no governess according to HIS way, HE will make sure that things will be exposed. Everything happens for a reason,

so please explain the holocaust

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 10:50 AM CRITICISM Says:

Fortunately, I haven't had the time to read up on the case.
Could someone please explain why the jury believed her word over his word without any witnesses?

If so, what prevents anyone, who has something against someone, from doing this?

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 11:08 AM yitzy Says:

Why is there so much ignorance about jewish law. So many people seem to think that the beit din required 2 kosher witnesses. NO THEY DIDN'T!
Do you realise that according to this theory a man could literally break into a school, rape all the female teachers, kill half the kids and as long as there weren't 2 unrelated male witnesses - even if 100 others and cctv were there- he would walk. How corrupt do you think jewish law is?

In times gone by, there were either secular courts under the authority of the king or the beit din had 'administrator mode' in which they would lash, imprison (yes, jews had prisons) or even kill people based on normal evidence as they saw fit. (Under the torah laws of 'mored be'malchus and 'remove the evil from your peolple')
600 years ago bati din were still giving lashes and 100 years ago they were still sentencing ppl to death (for informing).

So please stop with all the nonsense about him being innocent because there weren't two kosher witnesses. Judaism had ways of dealing with all situations.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #186  
PashutehYid Says:

Despite this whole ordeal, I still contend that we are a holy nation, and those who have let us down by committing these types of crimes are the very rare exceptions. I and others would never hesitate to send our kids on rides to out of town locations with frum people, as is done all the times in our communities for simchas, shabbatons, out-shabboses from yeshivos, rides to camp, etc. This has always been the norm for all of us. Nobody checks references before accepting rides, because it is so rare that there is a problem, as to be almost unheard of. How often do you see after a chasuna, people asking, anybody going to Flatbush, Boro Park, Far Rockaway, Five Towns, Passaic, Lakewood, etc.

We always have and hopefully always will trust our fellow Jews.

"How often do you see after a chasuna, people asking, anybody going to Flatbush, Boro Park, Far Rockaway, Five Towns, Passaic, Lakewood, etc."

I see this all the time in Monsey--very young girls asking for a ride and I am amazed they are not harmed or kidnapped. It should be illegal for a young kid to hitch a ride. If I ever caught my daughters hitch hiking, I would take away all of their toys and they would be in bed at dusk.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #155  
Anonymous Says:

interesting.... a girl going to counseling for doing what was deemed inappropriate in her community, later moves out of her community and claims the counselor molested her. Not a very likely way to keep her in the community. this kind of behavior is not a one-time kind of thing & she is the only girl that he counseled to claim this? no one else came out after this that the same happened to them? Anyone else find this ironic and hard to believe? something is rotten in the state of denmark!

"no one else came out after this that the same happened to them? Anyone else find this ironic and hard to believe? something is rotten in the state of denmark!"

4 or 5 others filed complaints to the DA but ware afraid to testify. She was the only one wit courage, however, from what I am hearing, more are willing to come forward, thank G-d. She was the leadr and this must have been more difficult than I could ever imagine. My community supported the man who hurt this poor child over and over again. At this moment, my wife and I are discusing leaving and taking our kinder out of here.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM CRITICISM Says:

Reply to #238  
yitzy Says:

Why is there so much ignorance about jewish law. So many people seem to think that the beit din required 2 kosher witnesses. NO THEY DIDN'T!
Do you realise that according to this theory a man could literally break into a school, rape all the female teachers, kill half the kids and as long as there weren't 2 unrelated male witnesses - even if 100 others and cctv were there- he would walk. How corrupt do you think jewish law is?

In times gone by, there were either secular courts under the authority of the king or the beit din had 'administrator mode' in which they would lash, imprison (yes, jews had prisons) or even kill people based on normal evidence as they saw fit. (Under the torah laws of 'mored be'malchus and 'remove the evil from your peolple')
600 years ago bati din were still giving lashes and 100 years ago they were still sentencing ppl to death (for informing).

So please stop with all the nonsense about him being innocent because there weren't two kosher witnesses. Judaism had ways of dealing with all situations.

Nothing to do with witnesses or jewish law - just trying to understand why is it her word against his.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #225  
Anonymous Says:

Educating kids that they are not to be touched inappropriately is a parent's job, not a school's job.

It is everyone's job. It is something that a child needs to hear from everyone that cares. It is something that a school has to teach and reiterate just as parents do. They can have therapists come in and explain things to children of different ages on their own levels according to their own understanding. Teachers from the time kids are little can reinforce the "Never keep secrets from Mommy" mantra! It is NOT a secret to stay safe. There is nothing wrong with discussing it.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:

What i'm reading in all this comments are again and again the same thing....the jury found him guilty...... DOES THAT MEAN HE DID SOMETHING??? there is no proof or evidence whatsoever, hashem yishmerini. we have a torah and in the torah it says in any case if there is no solid proof or evidence their is no case.... "I agree that we need to do something about the problems in the community" but this is not the case here!!!!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:32 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #143  
kweanbea Says:

For everyone saying "no proof!" "no evidence!", you don't understand some basic principles of American criminal justice. Witnesses' testimony is considered EVIDENCE. There were 14 hours of the victim's testimony and cross-examination. The victim's mother testified. The victim's social worker testified. Weberman, his principal and two of his live-in runaways testified, and each of them had testimony that worked against the defense. In an American court of law you don't need physical evidence to convict. The burden of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt". The jury heard all the evidence and felt there was no room for reasonable doubt.

As for lie detector tests, they are inadmissible in NYS. That means the defendant can't volunteer for it if he wanted to and the prosecutor can't demand one.

Also, polygraph (aka lie detector) tests are notoriously unreliable. They should never be used as part of criminal justice, either to convict or to acquit. I have strong reservations about using polygraph for employment screening as well, but the stakes are not nearly as high in those cases.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM Huh? Says:

Reply to #240  
Anonymous Says:

"no one else came out after this that the same happened to them? Anyone else find this ironic and hard to believe? something is rotten in the state of denmark!"

4 or 5 others filed complaints to the DA but ware afraid to testify. She was the only one wit courage, however, from what I am hearing, more are willing to come forward, thank G-d. She was the leadr and this must have been more difficult than I could ever imagine. My community supported the man who hurt this poor child over and over again. At this moment, my wife and I are discusing leaving and taking our kinder out of here.

Don't give up on H', being jewish or being religious.
However,
run as fast as you can away from people and communities that don't know right from wrong.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #243  
Anonymous Says:

What i'm reading in all this comments are again and again the same thing....the jury found him guilty...... DOES THAT MEAN HE DID SOMETHING??? there is no proof or evidence whatsoever, hashem yishmerini. we have a torah and in the torah it says in any case if there is no solid proof or evidence their is no case.... "I agree that we need to do something about the problems in the community" but this is not the case here!!!!

The verdict will be appealed and eventually overturned based on no pure evidence.
The jury decided based on emotion - not seichel.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM kweanbea Says:

Reply to #241  
CRITICISM Says:

Nothing to do with witnesses or jewish law - just trying to understand why is it her word against his.

If you really want to know I suggest you start reading some of the news coverage of this trial. The New York Daily News reporting by Oren Yaniv was excellent. The conviction was based on a weeks' worth evidence presented including testimony from multiple witnesses and photographs of his office. Please don't expect anyone to summarize the entire trial for you in a comments box.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 01:30 PM Proud2BeAJew Says:

Finally, the system works. Let this be a wake up call for the community. Next time the Rabbonim decide to have an Asifa, let's hope they use it for good. They think the internet is the problem? Child molestation is worse. It messes you up Emotionally, physically and Mentally. There's a reason why so many people go off the Derech.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 02:26 PM CRITICISM Says:

Reply to #247  
kweanbea Says:

If you really want to know I suggest you start reading some of the news coverage of this trial. The New York Daily News reporting by Oren Yaniv was excellent. The conviction was based on a weeks' worth evidence presented including testimony from multiple witnesses and photographs of his office. Please don't expect anyone to summarize the entire trial for you in a comments box.

Seems like the verdict was based on the girl's testimony

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 02:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #220  
chachom Says:

I don't know the facts but I know 2 things.
1.DA Hynes would prosecute a case for political gain.
2 Satmar would cover up anything to protect itself.

As far as I'm concerned it's a hung jury.

yea...they hung him out to dry......!!!!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 02:21 PM FBF37 Says:

I would like to hear a comment from Agudah and the Rabbonim. I want to know in a case like this is the evidence good enough or do you need eidim? Is Aguda's opinion of Raglayim.... would that have worked here? Or do we think the Agudah rabbonim would have covered this up too. If the evidence is not good enough then many of us should consider leaving this form of judasim (charedi style). A religion that does not protect children is not what god intended. What a shamen Agudah and every single askan/supporter/Rav of agudah.

I know I am getting a bit carried over the edge here with the above comment. But we need changes. I have no issues in making sure no one goes to jail if they are innocent but the same protection the Rabbonim give to the accused should also be given to the victim. Everyone needs to be protected until we find the guilty party. There should never ever ever ever be intimadtion. It goes against hashem and our religion.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 02:55 PM strange Says:

I Googled "jury of your peers" and the way I read it, it looks like he and many hasids will never have fair trials in the United States.
There is the perception of judicial and prosecution misconduct, and rightfully so.
We have enemies from within and from outside unfortunately.
What type of statement is this by Hynes that it's worse than mafia.
The free country wasn't meant if you are a frum jew.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 02:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #236  
CRITICISM Says:

Fortunately, I haven't had the time to read up on the case.
Could someone please explain why the jury believed her word over his word without any witnesses?

If so, what prevents anyone, who has something against someone, from doing this?

wow....fortunately you haven't had time to read up on the case???
Wow...and you come here expecting us commenters to enlighten you because you are FORTUNATE not to have cared other than to ask your question and expect us to educate you...Y don't you go and use your G....d given brain and read every post there is out there and blogs and see for yourself...then you won't come and ask.......
Are you from Willi, by any chance???

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #228  
Anonymous Says:

For the umpteetnth time.....
Testimony is evidence. The corroboration of events, timelines and key elements is also evidence. It is all circumstantial. And Weberman proved himself a liar on the stand, the jury chose not to believe his words which was his evidence.

You are preaching to people who are not interested in your answer....they want DNA, CLOTHING....you know what I mean??? you can say what you are saying over and over again as every blog is explaining it...but they are not interested and will ask over and over again.....
or most of them are not really reading blogs and really seeking out to understand, they just want it all to go away by asking these questions, hoping they could stump you........

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:04 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #246  
Anonymous Says:

The verdict will be appealed and eventually overturned based on no pure evidence.
The jury decided based on emotion - not seichel.

it is clear you do not know the law

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #244  
ShmuelG Says:

Also, polygraph (aka lie detector) tests are notoriously unreliable. They should never be used as part of criminal justice, either to convict or to acquit. I have strong reservations about using polygraph for employment screening as well, but the stakes are not nearly as high in those cases.

not admissable....do you know that.....

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #246  
Anonymous Says:

The verdict will be appealed and eventually overturned based on no pure evidence.
The jury decided based on emotion - not seichel.

and you are so blessed with nevuah....right?
so why didn't you tell him what to do in the first place so he shouldn't be convicted?

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:09 PM Shtarker Says:

Baruch Hashem that this monster will in all likelihood never harm our children again. Now is the time for our great leaders, the true gedolai hador, to stand up and proclaim that our community will never, must never, protect the abusers from facing justice.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:13 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #228  
Anonymous Says:

For the umpteetnth time.....
Testimony is evidence. The corroboration of events, timelines and key elements is also evidence. It is all circumstantial. And Weberman proved himself a liar on the stand, the jury chose not to believe his words which was his evidence.

First of all, TY for responding - noone else did. I actually brought my points to see for myself if indeed there was circumstantial evidence against him. Oh, I understand that they didn't believe him and I'm not arguing that the Jury was breaking the law, but just wanted to see if there was a smoking gun. Since noone including you answered my legitimate questions - I have to assume that there wasn't any real circumstantial evidence against him -so in my mind Innocent Until Proven GUILTY!
I know most posters here have a problem with that because
1. He is a Frum Jew.
2. He is Chassidish.
3. We all hate molestors & those that protect them.
In spite of all these things - you still need strong evidence to send s/o away for life.
He might be a liar and a thief, but he is still Innocent Until Proven GUILTY on the other charges of molestation.
I'm not saying he is innocent -so I'm waiting for anybody to answer my points that I made above.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:27 PM missyid Says:

Reply to #249  
CRITICISM Says:

Seems like the verdict was based on the girl's testimony

Yes - her testimony was evidence and it was corroborated by other testimony and evidence and it led to his conviction.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #243  
Anonymous Says:

What i'm reading in all this comments are again and again the same thing....the jury found him guilty...... DOES THAT MEAN HE DID SOMETHING??? there is no proof or evidence whatsoever, hashem yishmerini. we have a torah and in the torah it says in any case if there is no solid proof or evidence their is no case.... "I agree that we need to do something about the problems in the community" but this is not the case here!!!!

You are 100 % right. I'm with you

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 04:28 PM burech Says:

someone commented here that levish means nothing. sounds like you are trying to justify all those who feel "guilty" that they dropped thier levish.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 04:48 PM vinn Says:

Chal. hyann about time to retire, G-d is the boss on this world nobody else, a shame what happened , Chillal Hasahem one yid masser the others, there is a beth din b,yisroal b'h , Mesiachh on the way , the rebbbe said Bakrov mmamesh,

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 05:04 PM BLONDI Says:

Reply to #179  
Sherree Says:

Yes I do, I need more. The levush means nothing. Looking at them means nothing. Monstrowitz also looked frum and eidel and no one is blaming his family for what he did. And that goes for Kolko as well, so what does the way his family or the way he looks have to do with anything. And what does how frum, chassidish, orthodox, modern, secular or whatever have to do with anything. There are plenty of Chassidim in jail, so what does that prove? And there are plenty of secular "looking" yiddin who are way more frum than these phony chassidim and would never be b'yichud with anyone but their own spouses. So again, what is your point? Appearances mean nothing. Look at Tropper as well, and he was a Rosh Yeshiva, and then there is Weingarten...should I continue???

I will tell you again, your levush means NOTHING. It is your Maasim that tell the truth!

bravo...u said this and everything very well. u are truly the voice of reason. NEVER choose a person by how they are dressed. i have met a lot of chassidim with very foul mouths and foul actions, worse than gentiles !!!! truly dispicable. we need to learn to respect each other, and mean in gender too.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 05:39 PM Just the Facts Says:

Reply to #189  
Truth Says:

I am the Truth and I'm going to analyze your facts:
1 & 2. Maybe unethical but doesn't point to molestation.
3, 4, 5, 6, & 7. Did he do this with all his clients or just with her? If she was singled out then this would be circumstantial evidence against him.
8, 9, & 10. Same response as I posted to 1 & 2.
11. Did these girls ever claim molestation or are they about to or did they claim this guy is on the up & up?
12. When did this therapy start & the abuse was discovered - before she had her
boyfriend or after? Afterwards it could be he was feeding her the info about abuse.
If it was before she was involved with the boyfriend it would be circumstantial evidence against the defendant.
13. How accurate did she not waver? 100% accuracy or there was minor inaccuracies? Minor inconsistencies would point that she is telling the truth. If she had the story perfectly down pat - it points to an actress who just made up the story down to the last detail.

I'm sure you can answer all my questions because if not - nothing you posted points to any guilt. I'm sure the jury wouldn't convict any human being without even circumstantial evidence -so I'm waiting your reply.

No one is saying that there was real evidence like DNA, videotape, etc… Everyone agrees the evidence was circumstantial (the victims testimony is “circumstantial evidence” even if it is a she says Vs a he says) and it is the “complete picture” of what was presented to the Jury (yes, everyone can rip apart the case point by point but that misses the point of the “complete picture” of what the Jury collectively heard) that led them to believe her over him and found him guilty.

My main point though is if the “shoe was on the other foot” and it was you who was sitting in the Jury Box in a similar case with a Non-Jew as the defendant and heard what this Jury heard, you would have also found him guilty.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 05:49 PM missyid Says:

Reply to #259  
Truth Says:

First of all, TY for responding - noone else did. I actually brought my points to see for myself if indeed there was circumstantial evidence against him. Oh, I understand that they didn't believe him and I'm not arguing that the Jury was breaking the law, but just wanted to see if there was a smoking gun. Since noone including you answered my legitimate questions - I have to assume that there wasn't any real circumstantial evidence against him -so in my mind Innocent Until Proven GUILTY!
I know most posters here have a problem with that because
1. He is a Frum Jew.
2. He is Chassidish.
3. We all hate molestors & those that protect them.
In spite of all these things - you still need strong evidence to send s/o away for life.
He might be a liar and a thief, but he is still Innocent Until Proven GUILTY on the other charges of molestation.
I'm not saying he is innocent -so I'm waiting for anybody to answer my points that I made above.

testimony IS CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. You are looking for (smoking gun) DNA? You won't get it in most of these cases. You know why? Because these communities do not have an understanding of how the body works, and basic biology, much less understand how to go about collecting DNA. Also, genius, since children are too afraid to come forward as soon as something happens, justifiably so, the physical evidence is long gone.

Circumstantial evidence is legally enough to put someone away. He was proven Guilty, so it is time for you to move on. You are clearly having a hard time understanding because you do not want to understand.

When a girl gives testimony "I was in a room with 3 locks on the door, a bed and a mirror for four hours with a man alone" AND the corroborating evidence as found through investigation finds, she knows exactly what that room looks like in detail and records show how much was paid per hour on what day .....that is enough evidence to lead the jury to believe that everything she is saying is true even without the actual DNA.

That - in addition to his testimony which gave the jury ample reason to NOT believe him, is COLLECTIVELY what made the verdict

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 05:55 PM Just the Facts Says:

Reply to #259  
Truth Says:

First of all, TY for responding - noone else did. I actually brought my points to see for myself if indeed there was circumstantial evidence against him. Oh, I understand that they didn't believe him and I'm not arguing that the Jury was breaking the law, but just wanted to see if there was a smoking gun. Since noone including you answered my legitimate questions - I have to assume that there wasn't any real circumstantial evidence against him -so in my mind Innocent Until Proven GUILTY!
I know most posters here have a problem with that because
1. He is a Frum Jew.
2. He is Chassidish.
3. We all hate molestors & those that protect them.
In spite of all these things - you still need strong evidence to send s/o away for life.
He might be a liar and a thief, but he is still Innocent Until Proven GUILTY on the other charges of molestation.
I'm not saying he is innocent -so I'm waiting for anybody to answer my points that I made above.

A Freilichin Chanukah!!!

Some of us work for a living, have a life and therefore were not able to respond until now.

You wrote "real" circumstantial evidence. This leads me to believe that you might not understand what "circumstantial evidence" means.

The following examples illustrate the difference between "direct" and "circumstantial" evidence: If John testifies that he saw Tom raise a gun and fire it at Ann and that Ann then fell to the ground, John's testimony is
"direct" evidence that Tom shot Ann. If the jury believes John's testimony, then it must conclude that Tom did in fact shoot Ann. If, however, John testifies that he saw Tom and Ann go into another room and that he heard Tom say to Ann that he was going to shoot her, heard a shot, and saw Tom leave the room with a smoking gun, then John's testimony is circumstantial evidence from which it can be inferred that Tom shot Ann. The jury must determine whether John's testimony is credible.

In this case, the Jury concluded that the victims testimony (the "circumstantial evidence") was credible and combined with other "circumstantial evidence" that was presented to them, decided he was Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 06:10 PM missyid Says:

Circumstantial evidence is evidence in which an inference is required to connect it to a conclusion of fact, like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or the intervening inference.

On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible. Inference from one piece of circumstantial evidence may not guarantee accuracy. Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection, so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more valid as proof of a fact when the alternative explanations have been ruled out.

Circumstantial evidence allows a trier of fact to deduce a fact exists. In criminal law, the inference is made by the trier of facts in order to support the truth of assertion (of guilt or absence of guilt).

Testimony can be direct evidence or it can be circumstantial.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 06:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
yochtzel Says:

Ribona Shel Oilum, helf shoin Aleh Yidden!!

explain yourself. what point are you trying to make?

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 06:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Lokson-Dryer Says:

Dear VIN comment writers,
Before bashing Weberman, who in my opinion is innocent (due to the fact that there is no evidence that he did anything, and the fact that "none of the hundreds of other girls" that went to him for counseling had any issues. So its hard to believe that just one girl that has a revenge agenda here is telling the truth.....
In the times of Bais Din he would be innocent due to no aidim no evidence etc. So please keep cool with your comments, and before posting hate don't forget that your hate posts are read by thousands and will cause Chilul Hashem lets not let antisemi's write "even on Jewish VIN site the posts are all anti Weberman.......

Havei dun es kol haudum likaf Zchus.
Lo Samod al dam Rayeicho
Choised Biksheirm yioshcheinu Nuchush

In the times of Besdin? THese ARE the times of besdin, there is still besdin available. so what?

this was a criminal matter, and what besdin requires to convict is different from what criminal court requires. youare mixing apples and oranges.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 06:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
satmar Says:

Its a sad day for us. We know he is innocent and the case is a fabrication. Its a victory to all those that wage war against us. We must daven to Hashem and ask for rachamim that he be saved from prison and the reshoim.

How can YOU possibly know that he is innocent, let alone the rest of us. or do you mean he is innocent like SMR, and having a beard and payos makes you automatically innocent?

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 06:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Truth Says:

Did they just convict an innocent man?
Why did the girl wait till now to report it? Did she tell her parents at the time and if not why not?
Are there other victims from this guy that have stepped foward to the DA?

why do you need to know this? the case is over. you want to investigate? go read the court files.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:05 PM I was there! Says:

Reply to #266  
missyid Says:

testimony IS CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. You are looking for (smoking gun) DNA? You won't get it in most of these cases. You know why? Because these communities do not have an understanding of how the body works, and basic biology, much less understand how to go about collecting DNA. Also, genius, since children are too afraid to come forward as soon as something happens, justifiably so, the physical evidence is long gone.

Circumstantial evidence is legally enough to put someone away. He was proven Guilty, so it is time for you to move on. You are clearly having a hard time understanding because you do not want to understand.

When a girl gives testimony "I was in a room with 3 locks on the door, a bed and a mirror for four hours with a man alone" AND the corroborating evidence as found through investigation finds, she knows exactly what that room looks like in detail and records show how much was paid per hour on what day .....that is enough evidence to lead the jury to believe that everything she is saying is true even without the actual DNA.

That - in addition to his testimony which gave the jury ample reason to NOT believe him, is COLLECTIVELY what made the verdict

Very well put!!
I was at the trial, and here you have some information that might make things clearer to the ones interested in comprehending the jury's conclusion.
1) As much as the defense attorney tried to get the victim to contradict herself he didn't really succeed (at times one was clearly able to see his frustration).
2) Mr Fireworker from the school testified that the girl was not obligated to be counseled only by Wbmn (she had other options) but was caught red handed with outright lies & red flags regarding monies handed over to him which he claimed he handed over to Wbmn. The prosecutor asked him are you Wbmns collection agency or doing his billing? I think his jaw & tongue are still frozen now,(it was obvious the school were partners in crime)
3) Wbmn did a big mistake by testifying in his own defense. It made the man look much worse than before. He was proven a liar regarding the upstate trip he took with the young girl. He claimed the trip only took 6 hours and wasn't a full day of 15 hours, but meanwhile it was proven that he did bill the parents for 15 hours ($150 x15=$1500)
and than came the issue with the credit card being used at the lingerie Store and more!!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
Contemplations Says:

Upon appeal, I hope and pray that his other victims (if they truly exist) will have courage and come forward to testify.

Only then will I feel comfortable that this verdict is fair, just and legal.

Sentencing a defendant based solely on one (troubled) person's testimony is disconcerting.
Somethings fishy here...

news flash: no ones cares if YOU feel comfortable with the verdict, and it would be the height of idiocy to have others people come forward to testify just for YOUR peace of mind.

This is not about you, at all!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
monishmo Says:

A lie detecting test would help me decide if I should feel bad for the victom or accuser . The accuser had coaching on this and a personal agenda to attack Weberman. This accuser is troubled from way before she met him. In any case let alone jury and judge etc....If falsly accused Hashem will take revenge on the accuser and her coachers.

monishmo Says: Says:

“ A lie detecting test would help me decide...

a lie detecTING test? you don't even know what it is called!

and you don't need help to decide, since no one want s your opinion. we don't care at all what you decide.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #90  
heimisheryid Says:

we are not in heaven to know secrets. but if u look at his family u will see a real from family from all sides.

but when u look on the opposite, u can see how many of them are secular!

u need more?

yes, I do. Unless SMR, Weinstein, Pupa, and the rest of the fake-frum crowd are innocent to you as well!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #177  
Anonymous Says:

Hashem controls all that happens in the world including this trial. If he's innocent maybe he was sent to prison to be a chevrusah with another inmate.

whatever money your parents paid to send you to yeshiva was wasted. they should sue for a refund, and based on your comment, they will win.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #178  
Sherree Says:

Interesting concept. Why didn't the accused offer to take a lie detector test. No one can force him to do it. He would have to offer to do it. If he was truly innocent, and he was a counselor besides, why would he have a problem with it? If he was telling the truth, he should be able to stay calm and taking a lie detector test should not have presented a problem for him.

because there is no point to do it, since it is inaccurate and inadmissible. so who would it help, regardless of how it came out?

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #182  
Anonymous Says:

Bottom line all u people that are so happy can just as easily be put away for life as we see no proof is needed so stop rejoicing

"we" see no such thing. "you" must be deaf, dumb and blind!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #208  
sasha fox Says:

he was done the minute he stepped into a court room. did any one in his right mind think,that weberman or for that matter, or any other jew (especially a hasidic jew,) can win a case in N Y C

why do you think a chasidic Jew never wins in court in NYC? you've obviously never been ton housing court where slumlord chassidishe landlords win all the time against innocent people.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #232  
LEEAVE Says:

if any1 was caught lying it was the little shiksele, with all the sub-jews around her

gee, too bad you were not on the jury and your opinion counts for nothing.

Too bad, so sad!

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #239  
Anonymous Says:

"How often do you see after a chasuna, people asking, anybody going to Flatbush, Boro Park, Far Rockaway, Five Towns, Passaic, Lakewood, etc."

I see this all the time in Monsey--very young girls asking for a ride and I am amazed they are not harmed or kidnapped. It should be illegal for a young kid to hitch a ride. If I ever caught my daughters hitch hiking, I would take away all of their toys and they would be in bed at dusk.

if your kids still play with toys and go to weddings without a ride home, then YOU should be in Jail.

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 09:58 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #265  
Just the Facts Says:

No one is saying that there was real evidence like DNA, videotape, etc… Everyone agrees the evidence was circumstantial (the victims testimony is “circumstantial evidence” even if it is a she says Vs a he says) and it is the “complete picture” of what was presented to the Jury (yes, everyone can rip apart the case point by point but that misses the point of the “complete picture” of what the Jury collectively heard) that led them to believe her over him and found him guilty.

My main point though is if the “shoe was on the other foot” and it was you who was sitting in the Jury Box in a similar case with a Non-Jew as the defendant and heard what this Jury heard, you would have also found him guilty.

" and it was you who was sitting in the Jury Box in a similar case with a Non-Jew as the defendant and heard what this Jury heard, you would have also found him guilty."

Yes, I know what circumstantial evidence is and that is exactly what I'm doing trying to put myself in Juror's shoes. Since I actually think for a living, not control others like lawyers do how to think.
Btw, you sound like a lawyer, but even though I'm not, I see things the way they really are. Since you didn't answer my questions above I have to assume
that the points you made were only somewhat points and no smoking gun. With the evidence right now, I would never find the defendant guilty. It could be he is guilty, but I see no proof of that right now -not enough circumstantial evidence. If the prosecutor had brought even one other victim to court -this would have swayed me. The reason most here are jumping for joy is because they are bias. Sinas Chinum in extremis. I also followed the Anthony case and there I'd have found her guilty. Our Jury system is a failure because they judge with emotion. Anthony - Poor Girl - Not Guilty. 12 -15 y.o. girl claiming abuse from a Hasidic Jew - Poor Girl - definitely Guilty

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #263  
vinn Says:

Chal. hyann about time to retire, G-d is the boss on this world nobody else, a shame what happened , Chillal Hasahem one yid masser the others, there is a beth din b,yisroal b'h , Mesiachh on the way , the rebbbe said Bakrov mmamesh,

Can you make at least one coherent sentence? Or is this the result of that great education you received from yeshiva?

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 Dec 11, 2012 at 11:46 PM ProudSatmarChosid Says:

Reply to #8  
Yanki Says:

Frum jew has no chance here. Move to Israel. Oh i m sorry satmer loves the USA

We love USA, however as the rebbe teached us the worst golus is a Jewish golus, thats in Israel and so its true here in our case, we are in golus in the USA a yidisha golus, yes leider

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 01:09 AM FullabullaRebbe Says:

Weberman should have cooperated with the prosecution in the first place it would have spared the huge chillul hashem that this freak show has exposed. They DA probably would have been easy on him. Such a gross miscalculation by the defense. It should serve as advice for all the other molester rabbunim should get better counsel when the come for them.

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 04:35 AM 5TResident Says:

My only question for the pro-Weberman camp is: if the court system is slanted against Jews, why did the jury believe the young girl? Isn't she Jewish too?

Oh, and how do you know that there were no Jews on the jury? Were you there when the jury was picked?

This is a medina shel chesed

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM Truth Says:

Reply to #287  
5TResident Says:

My only question for the pro-Weberman camp is: if the court system is slanted against Jews, why did the jury believe the young girl? Isn't she Jewish too?

Oh, and how do you know that there were no Jews on the jury? Were you there when the jury was picked?

This is a medina shel chesed

Sorry to wake you up about your Medina Shel Chessed. And I'm not pro -Weberman.
Just believe in a concept called Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty. Novel idea, huh? First of all, I know the Court System, namely Most Judges are against Frum Jews. But this Jury of Goyim - do I think they are more antisemitic than the avg. Goy? No. So what is their bias? The DA knew that his case was very weak. So if he has corroborating witnesses, like they claim - why go foward without them? Simple, he new that Weberman, a middle aged white man, didn't stand a chance against a young girl. Juries judge with their emotions, not so much on evidence. They always think like this - Poor Abused Girl.
The Anthony case was very much a strong circumstantial case - why did they find Not Guilty? - because Poor Girl!
The Jury system is a collosal failure!

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 02:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #279  
Anonymous Says:

"we" see no such thing. "you" must be deaf, dumb and blind!

just be careful cause when u will b accused u too will b locked up for life cause there is no possible wat to defend urself so jujst hope and pray that nobody has a grudge against you cause this story has opened up a new way for any person to easily hurt someone else

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 02:52 PM The Deal Says:

Reply to #286  
FullabullaRebbe Says:

Weberman should have cooperated with the prosecution in the first place it would have spared the huge chillul hashem that this freak show has exposed. They DA probably would have been easy on him. Such a gross miscalculation by the defense. It should serve as advice for all the other molester rabbunim should get better counsel when the come for them.

There were complex negotiations between the molester and community leaders.

The Molester thought that with the well connected political clout of the community leaders they could get him off the hook as they often do in other cases so he pressured them for his support, lest he spill the beans on what he has over them - vehamevin yavin.

The community leaders in turn pressured the molester not to agree to any plea deal because it would bring great shame to the community if he admitted that it is in fact true. Because the community leaders were betting one 1 of 3 things. 1) They were expecting the victim to accept the $500,000 bribe to drop the case or 2) They were expecting witness intimidation to succeed and 3) If all else fails, as it turned out now, they were betting on being in Denial to say it still all a lie and they can still stick their ostridge head in the ground and pretend that this isn't happening every day in their community.

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 03:27 PM monseygirl Says:

Reply to #14  
YUDA20 Says:

I hope all Sex activists are happy, Now that all got what you wanted and have shown to the world how good you are why don't you get in involved in even more community work to help the Satmars.

We have lots of people in hospitals who need company, we have lots of poor family's who need assistance, ETC. ETC.

Come one all of you good people you've been so much help helping us getting rid from our molesters. please help us with all our other needs as well.

There are enough organizations that help the sick and poor, but not enough to help those that have been abused. Their work is just getting started.

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 08:01 PM naisgal Says:

Reply to #225  
Anonymous Says:

Educating kids that they are not to be touched inappropriately is a parent's job, not a school's job.

It is the overall environment where the blame is put on the one who gets touched inappropriately, as other girls can always claim it did not happen to them, so the girl brought it on herself, most likely. here the parents did the right thing, as they sent her for counceling. I know of a case insecular world where a PHD candidate gave her thesis, original and researched, to her PHD advisor, as must be done, and teh advisor claimed it was his own! Those who we trust do not always deserve that trust. This was such a case.

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 08:06 PM naisgal Says:

Reply to #226  
shedready Says:

why is it no one including you do not think the courts are corrupt if the accused is a goy or say nebech who will feed his family and every other excuse you can find.

Get over it there are frum criminals, molesters and very other thing one can thing of and always has been. however, now more people are will to speak out and go to court and that is what is scaring every since the facade we are better than everybody such thing do not happen and is being peeled away slowly and slowly and instead of dealing with the core issue you attack and others attack and cry foul or attack the whistle blower

if the court are so corrupt and just love when two Jews go after each other why are your great ones going to that very court the satmar brother

I did not say they were not corrupt for goyem or that this molester was incorrectly found guilty. I said I belive teh girl since she did not seek revenge by going to the police. She never went to the police. Her licensed thera[ist did. But overall the courts are corrupt, yet without them we would eat each other alive, so better than nothing.

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 08:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #228  
Anonymous Says:

For the umpteetnth time.....
Testimony is evidence. The corroboration of events, timelines and key elements is also evidence. It is all circumstantial. And Weberman proved himself a liar on the stand, the jury chose not to believe his words which was his evidence.

They belived her true but were they right to do so over his word? We were not there and there was no evidence other than she was alone with him for hours - an issur for a good reason!

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 08:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #288  
Truth Says:

Sorry to wake you up about your Medina Shel Chessed. And I'm not pro -Weberman.
Just believe in a concept called Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty. Novel idea, huh? First of all, I know the Court System, namely Most Judges are against Frum Jews. But this Jury of Goyim - do I think they are more antisemitic than the avg. Goy? No. So what is their bias? The DA knew that his case was very weak. So if he has corroborating witnesses, like they claim - why go foward without them? Simple, he new that Weberman, a middle aged white man, didn't stand a chance against a young girl. Juries judge with their emotions, not so much on evidence. They always think like this - Poor Abused Girl.
The Anthony case was very much a strong circumstantial case - why did they find Not Guilty? - because Poor Girl!
The Jury system is a collosal failure!

most judges are not against frum Jews, in NYC many judges ARE frum Jews.

You have no ideaa what you're talking about, as usual.

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 08:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #289  
Anonymous Says:

just be careful cause when u will b accused u too will b locked up for life cause there is no possible wat to defend urself so jujst hope and pray that nobody has a grudge against you cause this story has opened up a new way for any person to easily hurt someone else

I wrote comment #279, which you responded to. I stand by my comment, that there is no WE, just YOU making your ridiculous accusations.

If you think someone can make up a story about someone else and get a criminal conviction out of it, you're an idiot. why don't you try it, and see who ends up in prison: the person you're trying to frame, or you.

don't make yourself out to be a bigger moron than you already have done.

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 Dec 12, 2012 at 08:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #243  
Anonymous Says:

What i'm reading in all this comments are again and again the same thing....the jury found him guilty...... DOES THAT MEAN HE DID SOMETHING??? there is no proof or evidence whatsoever, hashem yishmerini. we have a torah and in the torah it says in any case if there is no solid proof or evidence their is no case.... "I agree that we need to do something about the problems in the community" but this is not the case here!!!!

He was seen and known to have been in a locked room with a girl over bat mitzva age. So that is witnesses.