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Newtown, CT - 20 Children Dead In Mass Grade School Shooting; One Suspect In Custody

Published on: December 14, 2012 12:11 PM
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In this photo provided by the Newtown Bee, Connecticut State Police lead children from the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., following a reported shooting there Friday, Dec. 14, 2012.  (AP Photo/Newtown Bee, Shannon Hicks)  In this photo provided by the Newtown Bee, Connecticut State Police lead children from the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., following a reported shooting there Friday, Dec. 14, 2012.  (AP Photo/Newtown Bee, Shannon Hicks) 

Newtown, CT - A heavily armed gunman opened fire on school children and staff at a Connecticut elementary school on Friday, killing at least 26 people, including 20 children, in the latest in a series of shooting rampages that have tormented the United States this year.

The gunman was dead inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, state police Lieutenant Paul Vance told a news conference.

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Vance declined to report casualty figures but CBS News said 18 children and nine adults were dead, without clarifying whether the shooter was among those killed. The Hartford Courant reported one entire classroom was unaccounted for.

If confirmed, it would be one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The holiday season tragedy was the second shooting rampage in the United States this week and was certain to revive a debate about U.S. gun laws.

The principal and school psychologist were among the dead, CNN said. Witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots with some saying as many as 100 were fired.

The suspected shooter, 24, was armed with four weapons and wearing a bullet-proof vest, WABC reported.

Three people were taken to Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles west of the school, a hospital spokeswoman told NBC Connecticut. The mayor of Danbury, Mark Boughton, told MSNBC: “They are very serious injuries.”

Another person was being held in police custody after he was detained in the woods near the school wearing camouflage pants, CBS reported.

BLOODIED CHILDREN EXIT SCHOOL

Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10.

“It was horrendous,” said parent Brenda Lebinski, who rushed to the school where her daughter is in the third grade. “Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don’t know if they were shot, but they were bloodied.”

Television images showed police and ambulances at the scene, and parents rushing toward the school. Parents were seen reuniting with their children and taking them home.

“This is going to be bad,” a state official told Reuters, requesting anonymity because the scope of the tragedy remained uncertain.

President Barack Obama was notified and would receive regular updates throughout the day, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

“We’re still waiting for more information about the incident in Connecticut,” Carney said when asked about the president’s reaction to it.

Carney called the event “tragic” and said there would be time later for a discussion of policy implications.

Obama remains committed to trying to renew a ban on assault weapons, Carney said.

‘MASKED MAN’

All Newtown schools were placed in lockdown after the shooting, the Newtown Public School District said.

Lebinski said a mother who was at the school during the shooting told her a “masked man” entered the principal’s office and may have shot the principal. Lebinski, who is friends with the mother who was at the school, said the principal was “severely injured.”

Lebinski’s daughter’s teacher “immediately locked the door to the classroom and put all the kids in the corner of the room.”

Danbury Hospital, about 11 miles west of the school, had received three patients from the scene, a hospital spokeswoman told reporters.

A girl interviewed by NBC Connecticut described hearing seven loud “booms” as she was in gym class. Other children began crying and teachers moved the students to a nearby office, she said.

“A police officer came in and told us to run outside and so we did,” the unidentified girl said on camera.

Newtown, with a population about 27,000, is in northern Fairfield County, about 45 miles southwest of Hartford and 80 miles northeast of New York City.

The United States has experienced a number of mass shooting rampages this year, most recently in Oregon, where a gunman opened fire at a shopping mall on Tuesday, killing two people and then himself.

The deadliest attack came in July at a midnight screening of a Batman film in Colorado that killed 12 people and wounded 58.

This would be the deadliest elementary school shooting in U.S. history.

The worst U.S. high school shooting happened in 1999 when two students, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, went on a rampage at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, killing 12 students and a teacher before turning their guns on themselves.

In 2007, 32 people were killed at Virginia Tech university in the deadliest act of gun violence in U.S. history.

In another notorious school shooting outside of the United States, in 1996 a gunman opened fire in an elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, and killed 16 children and an adult before killing himself.


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 Dec 14, 2012 at 12:28 PM Geulah Says:

Hashem yisborach, rachem nah, hoshiyah noh.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 12:22 PM pickythinker Says:

this country is killing itself

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 12:50 PM ShmutzVesh Says:

Hashem yishmoreinu!!! What a terrible tragedy!!! My heart goes out to all the unfortunate families.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 12:58 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

Mit Romney is a fool and as foolish as your statement . Nowhere in the world are firearms as easily available as here and has nothing to do with family values but the availablity of deadly to anyone sane or insane. Control the sale of firearms. The bullet box and ballot box are not the same

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 12:58 PM Mark Levin Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

" Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up."

what's the difference how many in how little time?

The rest of your point was pretty good.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM Anon Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

Oh, please. This has nothing to do with family values and violent videos and EVERYTHING to do with the availability of military style weapons to people with alcohol, drug, impulse control, and untreated psychological problems. Even in the best of families and communities, there are people who have these problems (I'm sure you know of at least one) and we must not, as a society, allow them access to weapons.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:07 PM Chilled_Yungerman Says:

a twenty year old with a school age child...

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:16 PM Willigirl Says:

Violence against children??!!! What is this world coming to.
OMG. I am in shock. My heart goes out to these innocent children and their families and friends.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:18 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

But it's also time to get serious, as a country gone wild, about gun control.
As long as we don't inact serious gun control laws, we as a country will be at the mercy of imbecile moron's with dangerous weapons at their disposal, killing innocent men, women and children.

'The right to bear arms' assured by our constitution was very valid, two hundred some years ago, but is completely and absolutely obsolete in todays day and age, PERIOD!

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:22 PM DRE53 Says:

And charles hynes has a problem with the frum education system!?!? (I know this didn't happen in kings county)
When's the last time a shooting occured in a frum school? And there are no metal detectors or security guards there. (Unless hynes will argue that shootings are also being covered up).
Do we still have what to learn from secular education?

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:25 PM MO Guy Says:

I'm absolutely sickened by this. What kind of evil impulses drive these insane murderers. HUG your children tonight.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:25 PM Texas_Eli Says:

We don't seem to have this sort of problem here... the Luby's in Killeen 20 years ago (which spurred a major reversal of long-standing gun control laws), and Whitman in the UT tower 50 years ago (who was military-trained and held down by civilians returning fire) are the only ones that come to mind.
Whenever some maniac tries to pull this sort of stunt here, they're stopped pretty quickly; there's estimated 6 guns in Texas for every person in Texas!

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:

With a new page of mass shootings written every day in this nation, I am just numb by experience. Thanks for the NRA for keeping me safe huh?

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:31 PM Andrew Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

You're an idiot.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:37 PM Realistic Says:

But no one should dare politicizing this sad story by making arguments about gun control.

Brought to you by the NRA

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:46 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

"Time to crak down on violent video games" Crack down on video games? Video games dont kill people. Guns do.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:47 PM Justleftkolel Says:

This is a horrible incident, my heart goes out to the families.

But, this should not be a rally for more gun control, a motivated person, will be able to get guns illegally, look at Britain for instance, many gang members have relatively easy access to firearms. Additionally, a gun is not the only way to hurt people. So banning them for law abiding citizens just creates and environment were bad people can do bad things and we cannot stop them.

There is no easy answer, obviously education, and family values are important, but there will always be some sociopath in a country this size no matter what we do. the best answer is to be prepared and ready to meet these threats and not control the only real form of defense we have against these criminals.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:55 PM shredready Says:

the issue is assault rifle are easy to get so one nut can kill many in a few seconds.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:56 PM OyGevald Says:

Terrible!!!!
My thought and prayers go out to the families suffering there.
May G-d comfort you.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:56 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #11  
DRE53 Says:

And charles hynes has a problem with the frum education system!?!? (I know this didn't happen in kings county)
When's the last time a shooting occured in a frum school? And there are no metal detectors or security guards there. (Unless hynes will argue that shootings are also being covered up).
Do we still have what to learn from secular education?

two separate issues and both are horrible

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:57 PM monalisa Says:

I am beyond distraught. What kind of psychopath and sociopath can do such a thing? Those poor families. You expect your babies to be safe in school.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 01:59 PM PeterL Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Mit rommeny hit the nail on the head when asked about gun contorl and the coloroda shootings. He said it starts with teaching children family values. The media laughed at him what does family value shave to do with gun control? The answe r as we all know is strong family values raise responsible childern. In addition, its time to crack down on violent video games and movies. Two violent shootings in one week. Its time to wake up.

You may be right (reply to3), but that's for long term. We need gun control for short term (all with no family values, already on the street) too.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:03 PM esther Says:

Reply to #7  
Anon Says:

Oh, please. This has nothing to do with family values and violent videos and EVERYTHING to do with the availability of military style weapons to people with alcohol, drug, impulse control, and untreated psychological problems. Even in the best of families and communities, there are people who have these problems (I'm sure you know of at least one) and we must not, as a society, allow them access to weapons.

i think you're absolutely correct about this problem.i'm rethinking my position on gun control but i think the bigger issue is untreated mental illness. in every single one of these cases,and i'm pretty sure this case will be the same,there were unheeded warning signs.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:12 PM mikvehtowel Says:

Reply to #11  
DRE53 Says:

And charles hynes has a problem with the frum education system!?!? (I know this didn't happen in kings county)
When's the last time a shooting occured in a frum school? And there are no metal detectors or security guards there. (Unless hynes will argue that shootings are also being covered up).
Do we still have what to learn from secular education?

You're an idiot. You also have no class or a soul for that matter.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:17 PM monalisa Says:

Reply to #17  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Time to crak down on violent video games" Crack down on video games? Video games dont kill people. Guns do.

WRONG. PEOPLE kill, not guns.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:26 PM frum gun family Says:

The solution is more guns, not fewer. When nobody but the bad guy is armed we're sitting ducks.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:29 PM Buchwalter Says:

Reply to #26  
monalisa Says:

WRONG. PEOPLE kill, not guns.

Fool yes but those people need a trigger and no trigger no killing, see a mental health professional

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Kzler Says:

Mit Romney is a fool and as foolish as your statement . Nowhere in the world are firearms as easily available as here and has nothing to do with family values but the availablity of deadly to anyone sane or insane. Control the sale of firearms. The bullet box and ballot box are not the same

you know nothing about guns. It is very hard to get a legal gun in the US. Cracking down on legal guns will not stop people getting illegal guns.
It is Obama's Fast and Furious that brought lots of guns into Mexico, drug cartels and gangs...
People kill, not guns. If someone were to drop a gun with a box of bullets onto your table, no one would get hurt. Why? Because you would know it is not a toy and htey shouldn't touch it without training and/or for a good reason like self-defense.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anon Says:

Oh, please. This has nothing to do with family values and violent videos and EVERYTHING to do with the availability of military style weapons to people with alcohol, drug, impulse control, and untreated psychological problems. Even in the best of families and communities, there are people who have these problems (I'm sure you know of at least one) and we must not, as a society, allow them access to weapons.

Obama's fast and furious brought lots of guns into the hands of gangs and drug cartels. It is not legal guns that cause these problems but illegal ones. Cutting down on legal guns will do nothing to stop it.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
PeterL Says:

You may be right (reply to3), but that's for long term. We need gun control for short term (all with no family values, already on the street) too.

Gun control will not stop illegal guns. It just disarms those who just want to protect themselves and their families.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:44 PM georgewashingtonbridge Says:

This country has had guns for 230 years. The school shootings started within the past 15-20 years.

It's not about guns.

It's not about gun control.

It's about a lack of consideration for other people's lives. If you take away the guns, people will find another tool for murder. Stop looking for symptoms. The cause is indeed a lack of personal human values. And public honor and respect for all the criminals who despise those values.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:44 PM Yossel Says:

Reply to #26  
monalisa Says:

WRONG. PEOPLE kill, not guns.

So if you aim a gun at someone's head and pull the trigger... You haven't killed them?

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:46 PM Kzler Says:

Judging from some responses on this website some of you need to go in custody for danger to society

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 02:47 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #26  
monalisa Says:

WRONG. PEOPLE kill, not guns.

'PEAOPLE KILL, NOT GUNS." Wrong, people kill with guns, not with video games. No PEOPLE can kill 25-30-50 children in seconds without guns.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 03:26 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #35  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

'PEAOPLE KILL, NOT GUNS." Wrong, people kill with guns, not with video games. No PEOPLE can kill 25-30-50 children in seconds without guns.

and that is the point about assault weapons one can easily get those guns in certain states. In addition there is a major loophole when one can buy guns at gun shows

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 03:27 PM pbalaw Says:

Gun control?? That isn't the answer, guns need to be more available , like teachers having them

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 03:31 PM pbalaw Says:

Reply to #17  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Time to crak down on violent video games" Crack down on video games? Video games dont kill people. Guns do.

Guns don't kill, people do... When the last time a gun went and killed someone?

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 03:51 PM DAYAN Says:

To #13-Texas Eli- You stated that "we don't have that problem here", meaning in Texas. The killer, Charles Whitman, who went on a rampage at the University of Texas, in Austin, Texas, on Aug. 1, 1966, was not stopped by a civilian. He was shot and killed by an Austin, Texas, police officer. Regarding the mass killing at Luby's in Killeen Texas, there were not civilians in Luby's who had guns to stop that mass killer, since they were not allowed to bring guns into the restaurant. The killer shot it out with cops, and after being wounded by the cops, took his own life.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 03:52 PM Liepa Says:

For anyone that says, 'it's not the guns that kill, it's the people', I have one thing to say, enact serious gun control laws and you'll see this epidemic of school and shopping mall killings that we've been plagued with, dissipate.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 04:02 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #10  
Liepa Says:

But it's also time to get serious, as a country gone wild, about gun control.
As long as we don't inact serious gun control laws, we as a country will be at the mercy of imbecile moron's with dangerous weapons at their disposal, killing innocent men, women and children.

'The right to bear arms' assured by our constitution was very valid, two hundred some years ago, but is completely and absolutely obsolete in todays day and age, PERIOD!

so go change the constitution until then the law is the law.

crazies will get illegal weapons and if not a gun it could be a chain saw

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 04:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Liepa Says:

For anyone that says, 'it's not the guns that kill, it's the people', I have one thing to say, enact serious gun control laws and you'll see this epidemic of school and shopping mall killings that we've been plagued with, dissipate.

a prophet you are not
sadly jews in particular need training and firearms to keep themselves safe
the jewish history and current events vindicate th eview that we need more legally armed jews

sorry mt liepa you have a good heart but a wobbly brain

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 04:43 PM Texas_Eli Says:

Reply to #39  
DAYAN Says:

To #13-Texas Eli- You stated that "we don't have that problem here", meaning in Texas. The killer, Charles Whitman, who went on a rampage at the University of Texas, in Austin, Texas, on Aug. 1, 1966, was not stopped by a civilian. He was shot and killed by an Austin, Texas, police officer. Regarding the mass killing at Luby's in Killeen Texas, there were not civilians in Luby's who had guns to stop that mass killer, since they were not allowed to bring guns into the restaurant. The killer shot it out with cops, and after being wounded by the cops, took his own life.

I can assure you that the UT Tower is still scarred from the dozens of rounds fired by citizens from the ground to pin down Whitman. The police, after killing Whitman, waved a white flag to signal to the citizens to cease fire.
As for the Luby's killings, Suzanna Hupp normally carried a gun and did not carry one into the Luby's at the time. As a result, she watched hopelessly as her parents were murdered in front of her. Mrs. Hupp was later elected to state office, where she fought gun control.
Where guns are common and lawful, there are very few 'mass shootings'!

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 04:55 PM anon Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

you know nothing about guns. It is very hard to get a legal gun in the US. Cracking down on legal guns will not stop people getting illegal guns.
It is Obama's Fast and Furious that brought lots of guns into Mexico, drug cartels and gangs...
People kill, not guns. If someone were to drop a gun with a box of bullets onto your table, no one would get hurt. Why? Because you would know it is not a toy and htey shouldn't touch it without training and/or for a good reason like self-defense.

It is simple to buy a legal gun in the U.S. Here in California, I can buy a rifle in my town's gun shop if age 18, show my drivers' license, and wait 10 days. For a handgun, the age limit is 21. Want a machine gun? Really easy to go to a gun show and buy all of the parts to put one together. Training and common sense are NOT part of the gun purchasing process.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 05:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

Obama's fast and furious brought lots of guns into the hands of gangs and drug cartels. It is not legal guns that cause these problems but illegal ones. Cutting down on legal guns will do nothing to stop it.

Wrong and wrong. You obviously have spent more time listening to radio than in actually researching the subject.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 05:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
frum gun family Says:

The solution is more guns, not fewer. When nobody but the bad guy is armed we're sitting ducks.

Maybe you want to arm our kindergarten children now to prevent this? I think you have the smallest concept of tikkum olam.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 06:31 PM fmrxtian Says:

Reply to #19  
shredready Says:

the issue is assault rifle are easy to get so one nut can kill many in a few seconds.

He also had two handguns.

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 Dec 14, 2012 at 06:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
pbalaw Says:

Gun control?? That isn't the answer, guns need to be more available , like teachers having them

MORE guns made available? Are you mad? Why on earth should we have to have a society where teachers have to have guns? Guns are not the answer. Guns are part of the problem.

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 Dec 15, 2012 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Enough is enough of violent videos, and violent movies. This constant barrage of these show like nothing happens in real life. The videos and movies show it is okay to be extreme violent. I believe the lack of family, lack of family values and constant violence on tv and every where is causing our society to become desensitise to what is happening around us. The people who protected the children should be honor

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 Dec 15, 2012 at 05:48 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

Gun control will not stop illegal guns. It just disarms those who just want to protect themselves and their families.

It seems that the guns here were legally licenced by his mother. It seems that in a number of mass killings the guns were legally licenced by a member of the murderer's family. As to others who want teachers to be armed. Your views are not worthy of comment when there are thirty six year olds in a room with someone with a loaded weapon.

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 Dec 15, 2012 at 05:51 PM monalisa Says:

Reply to #33  
Yossel Says:

So if you aim a gun at someone's head and pull the trigger... You haven't killed them?

That's what I'm saying...PEOPLE pull the trigger of a gun, they don't remotely go off & shoot up schools, malls & movie theaters. Difficult concept for some to grasp.

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 Dec 15, 2012 at 06:34 PM The_Beadle Says:

Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States.

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 Dec 15, 2012 at 07:31 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #43  
Texas_Eli Says:

I can assure you that the UT Tower is still scarred from the dozens of rounds fired by citizens from the ground to pin down Whitman. The police, after killing Whitman, waved a white flag to signal to the citizens to cease fire.
As for the Luby's killings, Suzanna Hupp normally carried a gun and did not carry one into the Luby's at the time. As a result, she watched hopelessly as her parents were murdered in front of her. Mrs. Hupp was later elected to state office, where she fought gun control.
Where guns are common and lawful, there are very few 'mass shootings'!

Murder rate in Texas is higher than NY.NJ.Ct.Mass.Hawai.RI. etc. So stop bragging and google it. Guns kill. All states with no gun control and death penalty have the highest murder rate. Google it.

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 Dec 15, 2012 at 08:14 PM PowerUp Says:

Reply to #52  
The_Beadle Says:

Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States.

What's your source?

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 Dec 15, 2012 at 08:16 PM chosid Says:

Reply to #52  
The_Beadle Says:

Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States.

That's misleading because it does not distinguish by population. The US is many times larger than any of those countries.

If you look at the number of homicides caused by guns per 100,000, you will see that the US is approximately nearly the middle of the list - 2.98 per 100,000. There are several countries that do much better, but that is also near several large European countries with much stricter gun laws. Israel, for example, is at 1.86. That puts your statistic into some perspective.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate and click sort by homicides.

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 Dec 16, 2012 at 09:49 AM Kzler Says:

The insanity of this society and absorption of these wild inhuman values are reflected by the mad responses on this website. Civilized people don't live by guns

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 Dec 16, 2012 at 10:44 AM Yossel Says:

Reply to #55  
chosid Says:

That's misleading because it does not distinguish by population. The US is many times larger than any of those countries.

If you look at the number of homicides caused by guns per 100,000, you will see that the US is approximately nearly the middle of the list - 2.98 per 100,000. There are several countries that do much better, but that is also near several large European countries with much stricter gun laws. Israel, for example, is at 1.86. That puts your statistic into some perspective.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate and click sort by homicides.

I looked at the data you reference. Every Western country does better than the US by a huge margin. "Near the middle of the list," as you put it, leaves us slightly ahead of some of the worst countries in the world. Your interpretation is very twisted.

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