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Published on: December 20, 2012 11:46 AM
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FILEChurachandpur, India - A group of 50 Jews said to descend from one of the 10 Lost Tribes prepared Thursday to emigrate to Israel from their village in northeastern India.
The members of the Bnei Menashe community prayed in their local synagogue and then hugged their crying relatives before heading off to the airport in the Manipur state capital of Imphal, 55 kilometers (34 miles) away.
The Bnei Menashe say they are descended from Jews banished from ancient Israel to India in the eighth century B.C.
An Israeli chief rabbi recognized them as a lost tribe in 2005 and about 1,700 moved to Israel before the Israeli government stopped giving them visas. The government recently reversed that policy. About 7,200 remain in India.
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Dec 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM savtat Says:Report as Inappropriate
It's like watching the Nevuah of the Neviyim come true before our eyes.
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Dec 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM friend Says:Report as Inappropriate
ובאו האובדים בארץ אשור ... והשתחוו לה' בהר הקודש בירושלים!
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Dec 20, 2012 at 11:59 AM not authentic Says:Report as Inappropriate
The african falashes also claim to be from the lost tribes. So who is for real? I didn't think they're so close to us. Aren't they on the other side of the sambatyon?
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Dec 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM Yiddl Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's like watching the Nevuah of the Neviyim come true before our eyes. ”
What nevua? Of goyim moving to israel?
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Dec 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM DACON9 Says:Report as Inappropriate
as long as they go through a halachic conversion.
ONE AT A TIME
NOT A MASS CONVERSION
each taking approx 2 years to learn.
To be a Jew is a holy status,
not a supermarket checkout line.
what they dress like how they even learned to speak hebrew
even wearing a tallet and tephillin doesnt make one a JEW.
ONLY CONVERSION ACCEPTABLE IS BY A
TORAH ORTHODOX RABBI WHO IS ACCEPTED BY THE TORAH WORLD.
ITS QUALITY, not quantity,
not wanna be, gonna be , eating like or feeling like doing like jews
that makes one a JEW.
you have to be registered in heaven
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Dec 20, 2012 at 02:32 PM Sol Says:Report as Inappropriate
The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today.
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Dec 20, 2012 at 02:37 PM Avi Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The african falashes also claim to be from the lost tribes. So who is for real? I didn't think they're so close to us. Aren't they on the other side of the sambatyon? ”
The sambatyon is an unrealistic medrash. (We've mapped the entire planet save the oceans. There are no rivers that stop flowing on Shabbos.) The ten tribes are lost. That means that we don't know where they ended up and who their descendants are. It's entirely possible that both groups claiming such ancestry are correct. There's no reason to believe that all 10 tribes ended up in the same geographic reason. In fact, it's unlikely, given that such a large group would have been more likely to retain a cultural identity unique from their neighbors.
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Dec 20, 2012 at 03:27 PM OccupyAgudah Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today. ”
Enough already! You are going to make everyones head spin. This is not what was taught in yeshiva. You are an Apikores!
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Dec 20, 2012 at 03:40 PM 12345 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today. ”
taka its true. My rabbi says that lehavdil the ten tribes didnt even wear streimlach. Mamish going around like goyim without even a proper bekesher. Such a busha those tribes made...
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Dec 20, 2012 at 03:44 PM Wise-Guy Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today. ”
Did you ever bother to take a peek at the Miforshim (e.g. Rashi. Ramba'n, Ibn Ezra, Rad'ak, etc.) whilst studying scripture?
It doesn't look like you ever did, displaying such ignorance.
Tsk tsk.
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Dec 20, 2012 at 02:46 PM bored Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today. ”
Does your zeidi know you are an apikores?
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Dec 20, 2012 at 04:39 PM R Chaim Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today. ”
The truth is that by all the Kobonos mentioned in Tenaach, Rashi says, it was an Hoiroas Sho, but he says it as a Doichek. In Sefer Nechemia, the Yidden knew nothing of what to do on Yom Tov Sukkos. Its a big Chiddush that no-where do we find all the Mitzvos that should have been done in those time? I don't know.
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Dec 20, 2012 at 05:45 PM LionofZion Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ as long as they go through a halachic conversion.
ONE AT A TIME
NOT A MASS CONVERSION
each taking approx 2 years to learn.
To be a Jew is a holy status,
not a supermarket checkout line.
what they dress like how they even learned to speak hebrew
even wearing a tallet and tephillin doesnt make one a JEW.
ONLY CONVERSION ACCEPTABLE IS BY A
TORAH ORTHODOX RABBI WHO IS ACCEPTED BY THE TORAH WORLD.
ITS QUALITY, not quantity,
not wanna be, gonna be , eating like or feeling like doing like jews
that makes one a JEW.
you have to be registered in heaven ”
Like Rus?
Don't worry so much about the people who want to be Jews. Worry about the Jews that don't want to be Jews. The last guy who was so busy with Jewish purity was the guy in Monsey sleeping with the blond woman. Rashah that he is, looking down on others.
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Dec 20, 2012 at 07:32 PM favish Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today. ”
pleas dont show your ignorance.who taught you, this torah umadda schools?
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Dec 20, 2012 at 09:48 PM R Chaim Says:Report as Inappropriate
To #6 ,, Only when Mosiach comes, will we know to what extend they knew about Mitzvos, in times of Bayis Rishon.
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Dec 21, 2012 at 01:42 AM I_Am_Me Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ pleas dont show your ignorance.who taught you, this torah umadda schools? ”
Nothing wrong with Torah umadda I went to such a school and I know what #6 is saying is a bunch if malarky
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Dec 21, 2012 at 02:48 AM Naftush Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What nevua? Of goyim moving to israel? ”
They undergo halachic conversion, every one of them individually.
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Dec 21, 2012 at 09:32 AM Yonna Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Did you ever bother to take a peek at the Miforshim (e.g. Rashi. Ramba'n, Ibn Ezra, Rad'ak, etc.) whilst studying scripture?
It doesn't look like you ever did, displaying such ignorance.
Tsk tsk. ”
We are not like the Noitzrim, that implant all their fictional beliefs, into the Pesukim, even though they know that it doesn't say.
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Dec 21, 2012 at 10:45 AM clear-thinker Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What nevua? Of goyim moving to israel? ”
and how exactly do we know your maternal family? Will you promise that your mother, grandmother etc. were Jews? Have you checked with both the Askenasi and Sefardi Rabonnim if the accept you? Have a good Shabbos.
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Dec 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM heissezali Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The sambatyon is an unrealistic medrash. (We've mapped the entire planet save the oceans. There are no rivers that stop flowing on Shabbos.) The ten tribes are lost. That means that we don't know where they ended up and who their descendants are. It's entirely possible that both groups claiming such ancestry are correct. There's no reason to believe that all 10 tribes ended up in the same geographic reason. In fact, it's unlikely, given that such a large group would have been more likely to retain a cultural identity unique from their neighbors. ”
unrealistic medrash???? i hope ur kidding! u think cuz u dnt understand something its unrealistic? APIKOIRUS!
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Dec 22, 2012 at 07:42 PM naftaliw Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The ten tribes never knew anything of real Yidishkeit when they left Eretz Yisroel with Melech Ashur.
King Yoishiyahu's found the Sefer Torah of Moishe Rabeinu in the Heichel, which was 40 years before the Churbon Rishon. Prior to that, we didn't know of Tefilin, Mezuzah, Shofar, Suckos, Lulav, becoming Bar-Mitzvah, Giyur K/halacha, Etc. We see that Shlomo Hamelech made a great feast on Yom Kippur, and the Pesukim don't mention anything about the fast. The pesukim don't mention about Boaz and Shlomo marrying to Moi'ov. Their Yibbum was completely different. Yecheskel wrote that Kohanim shouldn't eat Neveila and Treifo. The seder Hakorbonos was not like in Chumash.
Its the Anshei Knesses Hagdolah, who started teaching the Yiddishket that we have today. ”
Afro lepoomey - buddy - you asked for it ! but sha'arei teshoova are always open.
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Dec 23, 2012 at 08:55 AM Ruthy Says:Report as Inappropriate
I read #6.
But I was really turned off by all the name-calling against him. Don't we have a logical answer to his questions? Isn't it true that whoever resorts to name-calling shows that he is void of a propper answer?
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Dec 24, 2012 at 07:25 PM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
I don't know if my post will see the light of day. but I could not let # 6 comments go unanswered.
to # 6, all excellent points. However, careful reading of the text suggests that the Jews did in fact keep the Torah in much the same way the orthodox Jews do today.
For example: Nehemia 3:14- 22, Nehemiah scolds some of the Jews for desecrating the Sabbath and engaging in commerce. (commerce is not expressly forbidden in the Torah, Yet Nehemiah assumes that the Jews knew of the widely accepted prohibition)
Nehemia predated The Anshei Kneset haGedolah.
In Haggai 2:9-15, Haggai is commanded to test the Kohanim on the laws of ritual purity. However the questions and subsequent answers are all derived and inferred from the text in Leviticus and not clearly expressed, again suggesting they held an oral tradition ALONG with the practice of the Torah text.
Daniel prayed three times a day. Daniel 6:10-15. also prior to The Anshei Kenesset hagedolah.
David also seems to have adhered to the laws of ritual purity Samuel I, 21:1-9
As far as Solomon's Yom Kippur feast, it was a one time prophetic dispensation.
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Dec 24, 2012 at 08:30 PM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
As far as Yechezkel, he is stating the prohibitions the Kohanim have in addition to those of the regular populace
Obviously there was a process of conversion because the Torah states in multiple places tha converts (gerim) have the same laws as the 'ezrachim'.
As far as Moav Read Nehemia chapter 13.
As far as Korbano refer to Divrei hayamim chapter 30.
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Dec 25, 2012 at 10:20 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ As far as Yechezkel, he is stating the prohibitions the Kohanim have in addition to those of the regular populace
Obviously there was a process of conversion because the Torah states in multiple places tha converts (gerim) have the same laws as the 'ezrachim'.
As far as Moav Read Nehemia chapter 13.
As far as Korbano refer to Divrei hayamim chapter 30. ”
Yecheskel - A kohen Godol can marry an Almono from a kohen G.
Your Pshat "in addition" is a big Doichek.
Shabos is something they still remembered from the ages, but everybody kept it in their own way.
Why is there is no mention the PESUKIM about , Solomon not fasting, or about marrying to Moav or Midyon, or about the Kohanim giving Lechem haponim to Dovid, about the Geirus of Ruth. When nechemia was sitting with the Yidden and reading the Torah, why no mention of the Yom hadin of Rosh Hashanah and Shofar or Yom Kipr. They skipped straight to Succos which they didn't know how to celebrate. During the first Bayis, their life should have been occupied 80% with all the Mitzvos, yet no mention of anything. Litterally all the Korbonos done have to be explained by 'Hoiro'os Shaw"?