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Rabbi Moshe Aryeh Friedman arriving at school with his children on Jan. 7 2013. Photo: Joods ActueelRabbi Moshe Aryeh Friedman arriving at school with his children on Jan. 7 2013. Photo: Joods Actueel

Antwerp - The sons of former Neturei Karta member Rabbi Moshe Aryeh Friedman were registered today at the all-girls school Benoth Jerusalem in Antwerp.

As previously reported on VIN, Friedman sued the school for denying admission to his sons, ages 8 and 11, citing a recent decision from the Commission on Students’ Rights which held that a child cannot be denied admission to a school on the basis of their gender. A Belgian judge ruled that Benoth Jerusalem must admit the boys or face a $2,600 penalty per child for each day the boys are not permitted to attend.

According to a news report in the Belgian Jewish weekly Joods Actueel (http://bit.ly/ZgEUKH), Friedman arrived with his wife and two sons by taxi at the school this morning to register his children. The family was accompanied by a police escort and a court bailiff to ensure the school complied with the judge’s ruling. Benoth Jerusalem also had a bailiff present to protect its interests.

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Following registration, Friedman told the press that his children were very happy to finally be able to attend school, and that the schoolgirls were excited to have boys in their classes. Mrs. Friedman, who has previously stayed out of the controversy, said, “Our children are 100% Jewish and must therefore attend a Jewish school. That is our right.”

Friedman has said he sees himself as a role model for co-ed instruction in the religious schools, and that by registering his sons at an all-girls yeshiva, he has finally put an end to discrimination and segregation between boys and girls in Hasidic Jewish schools.

Aron Berger, whose daughter attends Benoth Jerusalem, said by forcing his boys to attend a girl’s institution, Friedman’s actions are akin to child abuse. Berger was especially angry that Friedman has attempted to undermine hundreds of years of tradition which states that boys and girls be educated separately.

A siruv was issued in New York last week warning Orthodox Jews around the world to avoid interacting with Friedman in any way. It has allegedly been posted in 35 synagogues in Antwerp.

Friedman, meanwhile, has now sued an all-boys yeshiva in Antwerp for denying admission to his daughters. The court case has been postponed until January 17.


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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:05 AM Z Says:

Love how strict the NK is when it comes to the laws of reestablishing the state of Israel, but when it comes to matters of negiah, etc, it's all cool.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:06 AM shredready Says:

in feel bad for the kids

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:08 AM FrumJew Says:

As long as the boys follow the dress code...

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:09 AM shredready Says:

the real blame is the yeshivas who would not allow his children into the boys school and for not allowing his girls in beis yakov

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:11 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #1  
Z Says:

Love how strict the NK is when it comes to the laws of reestablishing the state of Israel, but when it comes to matters of negiah, etc, it's all cool.

negiah what negiah?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:12 AM zooog Says:

The wife looks like she is proud of her husband

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:21 AM ChachoMoe Says:

Reply to #1  
Z Says:

Love how strict the NK is when it comes to the laws of reestablishing the state of Israel, but when it comes to matters of negiah, etc, it's all cool.

It isn't a matter of being "strict" rather, how he can be the topic of controversy. That is behind 99% of all the NK members, they are deranged individual attention seekers,as he left the NK he has found himself another way of offending others, especially by statments like "he is for CoEd" and against discrimantion..LoL what a joke! let him try that in his beloved Iran!

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:25 AM commonsense99 Says:

nebech poor kids, father is lo anlou a pyc job

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:27 AM VeyIzMir Says:

DISGUSTING!!

How can this despicable poor excuse for a Jew, be allowed such terrible actions! He is undermining Judiasim as a whole!

This comes to show you that any belief that is not based upon the truth, will in the end, will show it's true colors.

NETUREI KARTA IS FALSE!! And this come to prove what comes out of this!!

To those who speak/understand Flemmish (as I do) LISTEN TO THE GARBAGE come out of his mouth!!!!

He believes in Co-Ed of schools, the interaction between Jewish boys and girls, and is truly happy he could spearhead such a movement.

May Hashem punish this evil man in front of our eyes, and may this happen real soon for all of us to see.

"V'Chal Ha'am Yishmu Viyarhu V'Lo Yazidin Od"

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:30 AM Ina Says:

The children need to be placed in the care of child protective services. The act of enrolling them in a girls school will be detrimental to their mental health. We, the Jewish community, will pay for this abusive act when these children grow up.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:36 AM Big Masmid Says:

As it has bees said "sick and getting sicker"

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:37 AM someone, please protect these victimized children Says:

I'm sick to my stomach!! This is child abuse and this has NOTHING to do with religion!!
This is parents' using innocent helpless victim children as chess pieces in a chess game.. they are using their boys for their own selfish desires..
This is sooooo sad on soooo many levels regarding the children's emotions...
These kids are probably being emotionally abused anyway- aside for this. Because if parents can do this to their children- then they have no sense of boundaries and respect for children's rights.
Every child has a birthright to be part of normal society and not turned into circus clowns...

Since they did not grow up with the idea of co-ed- as I have also not (and I NEVER felt deprived) This is not a normal thing for them. It's like putting one african american student into an all white school....
I am so saddened for these innocent children. Someone MUST stand up to protect their rights.

When I was young, my parents also forced my siblings and I to do some crazy antic- we couldn't refuse...we could NOT refuse. or else we would suffer tremendous abuse... until today- I still feel helpless, shameful and regretful for that.... but I know I am not to blame.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:37 AM Materetsky Says:

wow WEIRD

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:40 AM monseygal Says:

sad day for us

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:41 AM neezoogshoin Says:

Reply to #2  
shredready Says:

in feel bad for the kids

Right on, what did the poor kids do to deserve such nutcrack parents??

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:50 AM Stand up for the victims- the boys! Says:

The wife is being abused- and so are the children. I feel like flying there and smacking the father.
As a child from and emotionally abusive home- my blood is boiling. where is child services???? Im in tears literally!!!

i have been through this myself as a child- different circumstances... my heart goes out to those children and (I think the wife is also a victim of domestic violence- but I am enraged at her too!! no matter how scared she may be to leave him- when the abuse rolls over to the children- it is time to go... I can say this because- I had a terribly abusive childhood and was married to an abusive person years ago.. It's hard to leave... but what shouldn't a parent do very their child?)

where is the community??? the government?? child services????

Those boys need you!!! They can NOT defend themselves...

thats sadistic smile on the dads face makes me want to vomit.

This is NOT about religion, or anti segregation to him- this is about him exercising his control and power over whom ever he can and sadly the children will and are suffering the most.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:53 AM myownopinion Says:

Reply to #15  
neezoogshoin Says:

Right on, what did the poor kids do to deserve such nutcrack parents??

What did the kids do that the boys school didnt want to accept them.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:00 PM A1826 Says:

Now he is fighting for his daughters to get in a boys' school? Why couldn't he put everyone where they belong? If they didn't accept him, then he should sue the schools for that.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:06 PM stamm Says:

oy oy is right. how come the authorities don't see this as terrible abuse. the only thing i can console myself a drop is most probably these parents are not Jewish, although they think they are. I still feel horrible for these innocent children . i hope they pay back only their parents and no one else.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:08 PM puppydogs Says:

can't wait for the shabbos play dates

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:09 PM Goldberg Says:

Look on the bright side at least he will know Navei. How many boy's know anything about Navei??

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:24 PM kczoo Says:

Reply to #3  
FrumJew Says:

As long as the boys follow the dress code...

Yes, They should be forced to wear long skirts and stocking and whatever else the girls need to wear. These parents would still force them to wear it though, poor kids.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:25 PM Ben Eliezer Says:

Why is this person dignified with the title of "Rabbi?" He is no one's Rov or teacher. If he once received Smicha, it should be rescinded.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:31 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #19  
stamm Says:

oy oy is right. how come the authorities don't see this as terrible abuse. the only thing i can console myself a drop is most probably these parents are not Jewish, although they think they are. I still feel horrible for these innocent children . i hope they pay back only their parents and no one else.

no abuse by the authorities all beais yakov has to do is say we will not take government funding and then they can refuse the boys

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:36 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #17  
myownopinion Says:

What did the kids do that the boys school didnt want to accept them.

yep no one seems to recognize or want to, What did the kids do that the boys school didnt want to accept them. They want to give the yeshivas a pass. he did what he had to. all this could have been averted by the school accepting his kids.

they accept children of fraudsters, scammers, guys who are in jail, molesters children so why not his kids.

when do we punish the kids for the sins of the father?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:38 PM Rosh Says:

I really respect this rabbi here he moves to a place where the schools will not accept yiddisha kids In to school so he does something drastic yasher koach to him and shame on any city that people have resort to drastic measures to teach their kids tohara this city is like sodom nebech this city is a real chillul hashem not the father

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:44 PM anon1 Says:

while I also think satmar views on the state are extreme they did take out ads in newspapers disavowing themselves from neturei karta people that are engaged with sonei yisrael

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:44 PM anonymous23 Says:

What happend to his vienna gig?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:45 PM ChareidiMan Says:

The big picrure here is that all over the world Jewish Rabbis and Jewish law is being destroyed by the courts and they have the last word.

Wonder why?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:49 PM ShatzMatz Says:

Don't loose sight of the ball. this all could have been avoided if the boys school would have acepted the boys in the first place. The schools knew that they were vulnerable to this when they decided to register their chool as a legal "public school" in Belgium in order to receive almost 100% government funding. When you are in a vulnerable position you do not incite people to exploit your vulnerability. Now that the cat is out of the bag I am afraid its too late. It is only a matter of time before a muslim parent tries to register their child in the school.

Bad decisions by silly people.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:52 PM lazerx Says:

I am soo sad for their sad faced sons. What a terrible thing to do to a child who knows nothing of NK politics nor wants anything other to be like all other frum kids: to play with other boys.
Sad.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:53 PM OPTIMIST Says:

Interesting separation of sexes he says is from 100 years ago.... What about his hat and dress code? Isn't that million years old????

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:54 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #16  
Stand up for the victims- the boys! Says:

The wife is being abused- and so are the children. I feel like flying there and smacking the father.
As a child from and emotionally abusive home- my blood is boiling. where is child services???? Im in tears literally!!!

i have been through this myself as a child- different circumstances... my heart goes out to those children and (I think the wife is also a victim of domestic violence- but I am enraged at her too!! no matter how scared she may be to leave him- when the abuse rolls over to the children- it is time to go... I can say this because- I had a terribly abusive childhood and was married to an abusive person years ago.. It's hard to leave... but what shouldn't a parent do very their child?)

where is the community??? the government?? child services????

Those boys need you!!! They can NOT defend themselves...

thats sadistic smile on the dads face makes me want to vomit.

This is NOT about religion, or anti segregation to him- this is about him exercising his control and power over whom ever he can and sadly the children will and are suffering the most.

Enough with your rant. This is the fault of the Jewish community because they were punishing the kids for the sins of the father. They do this here in Lakewood/NY too. The only ones who should be punished is the guy himself -don't let him into shuls. E/o thinks they're perfect and they can do no wrong. This massive Chillul Hashem would never have occurred if the Yeshivas here in the US and then in Belgium would have accepted his kids in school. Acceptance of his kids has nothing to do with acceptance of him and his beliefs. You can blame him all you want, but it's the Jewish community and their leaders who are the root cause of this Chillul Hashem.
But it's always easier to blame others, than to look in the mirror. Why the Sinas Chinum on his kids that they weren't accepted in Yeshivas?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:56 PM mendygolem Says:

well i would notrespect the "rabbi" i wouldnt call him that

but besides that we all need to learn that when a community punishes children for the sins (including the sin of being poor)of their parents the children get hurt . whether it is in Antwerp or in williamsburg or monroe or crown heights boropark flatbush etc etc
these are jewish children and have a right to a jewish education!! so there is enough blame to go around
this man reacted to their decision and he fought back and won. i guess if you get screwed it is "tomus nafshi im plishtim"

but the schools should enact a dress code i am sure they have one and require the children to wear skirts etc etc and see if the parents react

for example in the boys school pants and short hair etc etc

but for this person who knows what he will froce his children to do

may we all learn to live together and get along and then we will be zochech to the ulitamate redemption with moshiach

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 12:58 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #18  
A1826 Says:

Now he is fighting for his daughters to get in a boys' school? Why couldn't he put everyone where they belong? If they didn't accept him, then he should sue the schools for that.

He would have, but he had no legal basis for that lawsuit. The Frum community here in the US and then in Belgium started this Chillul Hashem - he just continued it. Shame on the community and shame on him.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
shredready Says:

yep no one seems to recognize or want to, What did the kids do that the boys school didnt want to accept them. They want to give the yeshivas a pass. he did what he had to. all this could have been averted by the school accepting his kids.

they accept children of fraudsters, scammers, guys who are in jail, molesters children so why not his kids.

when do we punish the kids for the sins of the father?

his agenda is clear, he could have taken the boys school to court to get his sons in, yet he chose to sue the girls school, he clearly doesn't care about thousands of years of Jewish tradition, he wants to start the new reform movement. he said clearly he is happy to be the first to start co-ed in the religious community.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:00 PM sunsetyenta Says:

Reply to #9  
VeyIzMir Says:

DISGUSTING!!

How can this despicable poor excuse for a Jew, be allowed such terrible actions! He is undermining Judiasim as a whole!

This comes to show you that any belief that is not based upon the truth, will in the end, will show it's true colors.

NETUREI KARTA IS FALSE!! And this come to prove what comes out of this!!

To those who speak/understand Flemmish (as I do) LISTEN TO THE GARBAGE come out of his mouth!!!!

He believes in Co-Ed of schools, the interaction between Jewish boys and girls, and is truly happy he could spearhead such a movement.

May Hashem punish this evil man in front of our eyes, and may this happen real soon for all of us to see.

"V'Chal Ha'am Yishmu Viyarhu V'Lo Yazidin Od"

Y does he need to b punished didn't the yeshive rejusct his boys he is just trying to educate his boys in the best way possible in his eyes. I when to a co-ed school and my sisters went to an all girls school and my children are all shomer shabbos/shomer mizvos while my sisters have at least one child each that isn't its the way a parents conduct themselves and teach their children that important NO if they interact with boys or not

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:03 PM sunsetyenta Says:

Reply to #10  
Ina Says:

The children need to be placed in the care of child protective services. The act of enrolling them in a girls school will be detrimental to their mental health. We, the Jewish community, will pay for this abusive act when these children grow up.

Why do they need to be put in child protection it says the boys are happy to be in school just because its not your way doesn't mean its the wrong way to teach

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:12 PM LouKay Says:

This just shows what happens when you TOO frim .

Case in Point: The NK where he started consider themselves Frumer then the frumest-- From their views on the Medina to what they wear etc.... They know better then everyone.

Now he is SOOO holy that co-ed education - a strict no-no by most "normal" Frum Yidden -- is ok by him. He knows better the everyone.

This is becoming an truly upside down world. We really need Mosiach to come!

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:

As i always say the hassidim are their own worst enemy.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:17 PM bubii Says:

Thats exactly what i have been saying for a long time now ,this is the outcome of insane behaviour you get more insane behaviour .

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:18 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

his agenda is clear, he could have taken the boys school to court to get his sons in, yet he chose to sue the girls school, he clearly doesn't care about thousands of years of Jewish tradition, he wants to start the new reform movement. he said clearly he is happy to be the first to start co-ed in the religious community.

not at all this was the easiest route for him and the yeshiva should have seem this coming and accept his boys. he knew he would win this case kudos to him and his lawyer

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:20 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #32  
lazerx Says:

I am soo sad for their sad faced sons. What a terrible thing to do to a child who knows nothing of NK politics nor wants anything other to be like all other frum kids: to play with other boys.
Sad.

I hope you mean the yeshivas

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:27 PM Chamor HaDor Says:

Back in the day, in "der alte heim", do you know what was done to a person like him? Ask your bubbies and zaidies....He's lucky he's living in these times....vehamayvin yovin.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Z Says:

Love how strict the NK is when it comes to the laws of reestablishing the state of Israel, but when it comes to matters of negiah, etc, it's all cool.

He was thrown out of NK a while ago - he has now become modern

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:36 PM commonsense99 Says:

who shows in in a year and half for his bar mitzva, does he get the to chip in for the class bas mitzvah gifts

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:38 PM enlightened-yid Says:

This what happens when zealotry is pushed to the max by communities. It's like Jurassic Park experiment gone wrong and now the rabbis have no control over what they created with their crazy ideology. Individual crazies will splinter off from flock crazies and create their own game. But I like how the guy is trolling his own community for trying to mess with him by punishing his kids, it's funny to a degree. In Europe, it is not child abuse to send your kids to be educated in none same gender classrooms. Do they have Solomon Schechter schools in Belgium that can help out?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:43 PM bahby Says:

Reply to #31  
ShatzMatz Says:

Don't loose sight of the ball. this all could have been avoided if the boys school would have acepted the boys in the first place. The schools knew that they were vulnerable to this when they decided to register their chool as a legal "public school" in Belgium in order to receive almost 100% government funding. When you are in a vulnerable position you do not incite people to exploit your vulnerability. Now that the cat is out of the bag I am afraid its too late. It is only a matter of time before a muslim parent tries to register their child in the school.

Bad decisions by silly people.

Who said he even tried to get his boys into a boys' school? It seems that he has his own agenda. He didn't try to get his girls into this girls' school. He intends to enroll them in a boys' cheder! The man is a sicko!

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 01:49 PM bigduvid Says:

He was a member of the Neturei Karta. I do not see him being involved. Forget that he dresses in the Chasidishe levush. Do not judge the book by ther cover, but rather by his actions. He is not a Torah observant Jew. He does what he can to be in the lime light.

He is a sicko..

Beis din can not control him as he does not listen. Maybe he join Rabbi Avi Weiss's Yeshiva a lecturer and his to enroll in the Rabbah program.

He stated it that he has a new agenda, he want to be the trensetter for gender seperation in religious scools.

Why does he not open his own school or sen the kids i a Mizrachi type school that has a mixed setting.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:08 PM CSLMoish Says:

School should have went for the fine and then hired top lawyers in belgium and sued the gov for law fees and for fine fees because this is entirely outrageous. They should have closed down their school before allowing their establishment to be used in this way!!

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:13 PM US School Says:

Coming to a US school near you. Some parent will do the same after being rejected by all schools leaving them no choice to file a suit for profiling.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:17 PM Anon99 Says:

What happened to appealing? The earlier story said the girl's school could appeal the decision.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:21 PM Aryeh Says:

Studies show that segregated classes perform far better than coed.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:25 PM stamm Says:

I am sure he was not accepted in the boys school for good reasons. perhaps they know he is a moiser and don't want to have anything to do with him. who knows what he has done in the past . we never get the whole story from little newstories like this.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:30 PM Meir Says:

His views on zionism are just as correct

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:32 PM PashutehYid Says:

Most comments very well stated. Little to add. One point. The main difference today between extremist Chareidim and Modern is that extremist Chareidim view the Torah as designed to get into people's faces, because they are nobodies and the RBSH is angry with them; while the modern view the Torah as making life enjoyable with a purpose, and enhancing interpersonal relationships.

This is the logical next step of extremists. I can be as crazy as I want, because I am frummer than you and G-d hates you. When we lose the message of vahavta lreyacha komocha, zeh klal gadol batorah, and stop being meurav im habriyos, there are no limits. Islam is based on this anything goes for G-d primciple, as are the nuts from Westboro Baptist Church.

But traditional Torah Judaism is based on Avraham hanging up the phone on G-d, to serve a meal to 3 idol worshippers. He understood that when we put people before G-d, it gives nachas ruach to G-d.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:37 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #39  
sunsetyenta Says:

Why do they need to be put in child protection it says the boys are happy to be in school just because its not your way doesn't mean its the wrong way to teach

I don't believe for one minute that the boys are happy with this arrangement because it is demoralizing and will surely affect their mental health. They are outcasts and will not be able to succeed while studying in a girls school. Children deserve better.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
shredready Says:

the real blame is the yeshivas who would not allow his children into the boys school and for not allowing his girls in beis yakov

one hundred percent..
why are these poor children ostracized...they did nothing other than born to a crazy father...why are they being punished twice?If they were accepted in regular schools where they belong, he would not "chepa" the system. What he does personally.. why hurt his kids...it's hard enough on them as is.
It is abuse to let the boys learn with the girls..being the only kid in the entire school.It is also abuse of our system to allow this to happen to innocent children. Could you imagine his daughter in an all boys cheder...ridiculous...
save the kids......................

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Truth Says:

Enough with your rant. This is the fault of the Jewish community because they were punishing the kids for the sins of the father. They do this here in Lakewood/NY too. The only ones who should be punished is the guy himself -don't let him into shuls. E/o thinks they're perfect and they can do no wrong. This massive Chillul Hashem would never have occurred if the Yeshivas here in the US and then in Belgium would have accepted his kids in school. Acceptance of his kids has nothing to do with acceptance of him and his beliefs. You can blame him all you want, but it's the Jewish community and their leaders who are the root cause of this Chillul Hashem.
But it's always easier to blame others, than to look in the mirror. Why the Sinas Chinum on his kids that they weren't accepted in Yeshivas?

To the point. I was scrolling down the comments just to see if there is anyone out there who gets the point, kudos to you.

There is one thing that’s worse than organized crime, yes, its organized religion
It’s time for the Jewish spring, that’s the start of it

P.S. I despite his neture karte views just as anyone else but I can also isolate common sense in every story by itself

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
zooog Says:

The wife looks like she is proud of her husband

Interesting, how you make a statement based on a photo that is randomly snapped.Why don't you look into the mirror and check out the heart....do you think you can see it...?By the same token, you can't see hers. How do you know how difficult this is to her....or the whole situation..
keep your prejudices to yourself....

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:55 PM crybaby Says:

Reply to #4  
shredready Says:

the real blame is the yeshivas who would not allow his children into the boys school and for not allowing his girls in beis yakov

Come on would you want your kids hanging around his.Can his son get the main part in this years play?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

As i always say the hassidim are their own worst enemy.

What does chassidim have to do here. Your prejudice is open for all to see...and your hatred too.
So if one gentile is crazy...all are. If one Italian is crazy, all are. I guess you go by the minority...heh?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 02:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

He was thrown out of NK a while ago - he has now become modern

Really, how modern? His wife is still covered with a band...and he and his kids seem to still be wearing chassidish levish..so what gives?In any case, this is a terrible shanda...to punish these poor children...abuse of the worst kind. Social services need to look into this...or someone adopt these innocent kids!!!!!

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:00 PM A Real Wacko! Says:

Why doesn't he send his boys to the local public school? He's not frum obviously so why should they go to a frum school? Besides the problem of having boys and girls together, in Limudei Kodesh they don't even learn the same things. He is scarring his children for life. He's a real nut job. His wife should leave him and take the kids with her, unless she is also not normal.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:07 PM Not_just_that___ Says:

Let the school merely require that the kids wear the school uniform. I assume he would never let his boys wear skirts.

The fact that he violates halachic requirements should be enough to make his family rejected by the school on religious grounds. There's a clear entanglement here. We can't discriminate based on gender, but they can't force religion on us.

A legal maneuver might be to merge the cheder and bais yaakov administrations and admissions. We admit boys and girls to the combined institution, we just have separate classes for them.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Goldberg Says:

Look on the bright side at least he will know Navei. How many boy's know anything about Navei??

And halacha. None of the boys' yeshivas came close to Bais Yaakov in knowing halacha back in my day.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:17 PM TLERMA Says:

Since when do the Jewish people deny a Torah education to Kinder? The travesty here is not the Father's politics or mishegas, but rather that these children are suffering for his shenanagins..... Both Yeshivot in town that denied his children and education are violating Torah by doing so.....

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:24 PM A Says:

Reply to #51  
CSLMoish Says:

School should have went for the fine and then hired top lawyers in belgium and sued the gov for law fees and for fine fees because this is entirely outrageous. They should have closed down their school before allowing their establishment to be used in this way!!

It's always easy to spend someone else's money.
Do you really think that closing down the school so that all the other students can't learn is the best way to handle this? Would you want your children to sit home indefinitely and probably be held back a year?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:26 PM A Says:

Reply to #55  
stamm Says:

I am sure he was not accepted in the boys school for good reasons. perhaps they know he is a moiser and don't want to have anything to do with him. who knows what he has done in the past . we never get the whole story from little newstories like this.

The problem is that HE is not the one who ends up suffering. It is his children who are too young to be held accountable for their parents' nonsense.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:45 PM mutti Says:

well at least this might help solve the shidduch crisis.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Will someone please explain why he is refered to a former NK member...did he drop out or was he forced out?
I am in agreement with those who say that the children should not be punished for the sins of their father. I am a secular person but respect the values and traditions of Hasidic and Orthodox Yeshivas where the boys are with boys and the girls with girls. These are still Jewish children and probably suffer enough because of the insanity of their fathers views, why make them suffer any more.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 03:57 PM Butterfly Says:

I feel sorry for these confused boys!! They will be learning cooking and sewing. A real big help to their mothers. But 2 confused kids!!

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 04:04 PM haltkup Says:

Reply to #38  
sunsetyenta Says:

Y does he need to b punished didn't the yeshive rejusct his boys he is just trying to educate his boys in the best way possible in his eyes. I when to a co-ed school and my sisters went to an all girls school and my children are all shomer shabbos/shomer mizvos while my sisters have at least one child each that isn't its the way a parents conduct themselves and teach their children that important NO if they interact with boys or not

as someone has already pointed out ,if all he wants is to get his kids the best education he could have forced the boy school to take his boys and girl school to take his girls ,just like he doing now, switching the genders is just for revenge

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 04:15 PM A Says:

Reply to #66  
Not_just_that___ Says:

Let the school merely require that the kids wear the school uniform. I assume he would never let his boys wear skirts.

The fact that he violates halachic requirements should be enough to make his family rejected by the school on religious grounds. There's a clear entanglement here. We can't discriminate based on gender, but they can't force religion on us.

A legal maneuver might be to merge the cheder and bais yaakov administrations and admissions. We admit boys and girls to the combined institution, we just have separate classes for them.

So your solution would be to further humiliate the children.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 04:29 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #31  
ShatzMatz Says:

Don't loose sight of the ball. this all could have been avoided if the boys school would have acepted the boys in the first place. The schools knew that they were vulnerable to this when they decided to register their chool as a legal "public school" in Belgium in order to receive almost 100% government funding. When you are in a vulnerable position you do not incite people to exploit your vulnerability. Now that the cat is out of the bag I am afraid its too late. It is only a matter of time before a muslim parent tries to register their child in the school.

Bad decisions by silly people.

Yes, you are right of course. The schools made very poor decisions hen they declined to accept his sons.

I suspect he wants nothing more than for his boys to attend boy's schools and for his girls - girl's. I have no doubt that when the schools inevitably give in to him (rather than continue an intolerable status quo of having children in opposite sex schools) and accept his children in the schools where they belong, he will drop his current agenda.

But the damage is done. The article cites "a recent decision from the Commission on Students’ Rights which held that a child cannot be denied admission to a school on the basis of their gender." Well, how long do you think it would take some Belgian goy to figure out that by the same svora a child can't be denied admission to a school on the basis of their religion? And attempt to enroll his shktzim or his shiksas in Jewish schools? And then how are we going to dodge that bullet?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 04:29 PM MIESQ Says:

Clearly this fellow and apparently his wife as well have a need for attention and contraversy. The source for seperation between men and women concearns mixing at a funeral Chazal explain in Succa that if the Yetzer is present during burial so more so in other circumstances. It is time for every honest Jew to pray for worthy leadership and an end to pesuo faux Rabbis and Rabbanim

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 04:29 PM DanielBarbaz Says:

I may be wrong.....and correct me if I am, but it appears that this "rabbi" is also familiar with "finger gestures." Check out his right hand!

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 04:37 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #52  
US School Says:

Coming to a US school near you. Some parent will do the same after being rejected by all schools leaving them no choice to file a suit for profiling.

Not likely. There is a huge difference. Europeans are the subjects of their governments, we are the citizens of our country. Thus, in Europe, everybody's education is underwritten by their all-powerful governments, and the governments get to establish admission policies, curriculums, etc. Here, we pretty much educate our own at our expense, and are thus free to decide whom to accept.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 05:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Even the dung heap that is Neturei Karta has expelled this piece of drek.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 05:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
shredready Says:

the real blame is the yeshivas who would not allow his children into the boys school and for not allowing his girls in beis yakov

Are you on drugs??

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 05:33 PM ShatzMatz Says:

To all those who are commenting erroneously, he could not sue the boys school to accept his boys, since the boys school is not a legal "public school", since they don't teach the required secular subjects. The girl's school, on the other hand, is considered a public school. It is government funded and Tuition is basically free. The schools called his bluff and he won.

Now that he has established a precedent regarding gender discrimination in schools he plans to take the next step and force the boys school to accept his girls. Although his case is not as clear cut, he might still be able to pull it off, since the boy's school also benefit from some government assistance.

I would advise the schools to come to some sort of settlement with him quickly. I can assure you that if he is not given any attention it will not be long before he moves out of Belgium. He never stays in one spot for long. He gets himself into legal trouble in no time. His only place left to go is Iran.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 05:35 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #78  
DanielBarbaz Says:

I may be wrong.....and correct me if I am, but it appears that this "rabbi" is also familiar with "finger gestures." Check out his right hand!

Lol, but I think it's a thumb. I could be wrong.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 06:12 PM TexasJew Says:

Have a dress code in the school where all students must wear skirts. That should help solve the problem.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 06:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
crybaby Says:

Come on would you want your kids hanging around his.Can his son get the main part in this years play?

It's people like you who don't get it...it's people like you who prepare your children to hate...Why not try the opposite tactic...to encourage kindness. How badly could that affect his children. And if your children are so weak that you can't trust them around these boys...you haven't done the job as well as you thought you did.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 06:29 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #81  
Anonymous Says:

Are you on drugs??

Why if they did there would be no issues

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 07:31 PM NKUSA Says:

I am affiliated with Neturei Karta. I will tell you that he was never Neturei Karta. He came to Iran on his own accord on his own program. Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss and R' Hirsch and Rabbi Beck do not get along with nor like Aryeh friedman. He was never afiliated with us. Rather he always had his own crazy thing going on for himself and used the NK name to suit himself.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 07:41 PM MarkTwain2 Says:

Reply to #6  
zooog Says:

The wife looks like she is proud of her husband

Wouldn't you be if all your kids were turned down by all school admissions and your husband took initiative and ballsy move to force their hand?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 08:04 PM commonsense99 Says:

Reply to #87  
NKUSA Says:

I am affiliated with Neturei Karta. I will tell you that he was never Neturei Karta. He came to Iran on his own accord on his own program. Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss and R' Hirsch and Rabbi Beck do not get along with nor like Aryeh friedman. He was never afiliated with us. Rather he always had his own crazy thing going on for himself and used the NK name to suit himself.

NK does not exist anymore, Moshe ber Beck and Weiss have has much to do with NK was does the spanish day laborer pn the street. nothing

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 08:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
shredready Says:

the real blame is the yeshivas who would not allow his children into the boys school and for not allowing his girls in beis yakov

he sued all girls school to allow his boys and now suing boys yeshiva for not taking hi girls. something very wrong

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 08:16 PM ChachoMoe Says:

Reply to #87  
NKUSA Says:

I am affiliated with Neturei Karta. I will tell you that he was never Neturei Karta. He came to Iran on his own accord on his own program. Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss and R' Hirsch and Rabbi Beck do not get along with nor like Aryeh friedman. He was never afiliated with us. Rather he always had his own crazy thing going on for himself and used the NK name to suit himself.

NK; what a phony you NK people are, YD Weiss is rather much worse than him, I see no diff. if anything, that Arab Weiss has done waaay much damagae than that friedman is ever capable of! sooo puuhlease do not mention that very same Rodef Weiss that every Islamist uses him as a base of hate.(just search his name on Yotube)

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 08:17 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #87  
NKUSA Says:

I am affiliated with Neturei Karta. I will tell you that he was never Neturei Karta. He came to Iran on his own accord on his own program. Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss and R' Hirsch and Rabbi Beck do not get along with nor like Aryeh friedman. He was never afiliated with us. Rather he always had his own crazy thing going on for himself and used the NK name to suit himself.

I am just wondering... How does one arrange to go to Iran and do what he did? Did the Iranians pay him?

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 10:05 PM elmwd Says:

I think that all Jewish schools should the the court that if his children come to any off our schools we all walk out and let the court can do what they like let's see how far they get

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 10:07 PM Klitnipl Says:

Yesh'ies h'shem ke'heref a'yin.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 10:35 PM Shlomo2 Says:

Reply to #80  
Anonymous Says:

Even the dung heap that is Neturei Karta has expelled this piece of drek.

That does not make them better than him, though.

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 Jan 07, 2013 at 11:17 PM Pereles Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

his agenda is clear, he could have taken the boys school to court to get his sons in, yet he chose to sue the girls school, he clearly doesn't care about thousands of years of Jewish tradition, he wants to start the new reform movement. he said clearly he is happy to be the first to start co-ed in the religious community.

you mean like a thousand years ago when girls did not go to school???

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 12:06 AM some1 Says:

Reply to #87  
NKUSA Says:

I am affiliated with Neturei Karta. I will tell you that he was never Neturei Karta. He came to Iran on his own accord on his own program. Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss and R' Hirsch and Rabbi Beck do not get along with nor like Aryeh friedman. He was never afiliated with us. Rather he always had his own crazy thing going on for himself and used the NK name to suit himself.

Sorry Mr. NKUSA, this a jewish site I don't know where you found this web site, and I don't think your leader in Iran in his new web filter lets to log in in vosiznies.

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 12:33 AM eddie Says:

why dont all the parents just take their kids out of the school for now

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 01:59 AM Anonymous Says:

Nebech, this couple is ZEYA ZEYA CRUNK! They are just kvelling about all the attention they are getting from the gentile reporters, it's written all over their faces.

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 05:49 AM BmakomSheainIsh Says:

Reply to #54  
Aryeh Says:

Studies show that segregated classes perform far better than coed.

studies show that people who say "studies show" without even a hint of a source of full of it. Either quote a study or don't pretend.

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 09:22 AM shimon Says:

Reply to #3  
FrumJew Says:

As long as the boys follow the dress code...

Very good!
Firstly, i hope it is settled more peacefully, but if not, perhaps they should demand "appropriate dress", and if they come the next day wrongly dressed, should be sent home.
Then let him complain, and wait till the court and police rule again, that they don't have to keep to school regulations.

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 10:02 AM MAYERFREUND Says:

1 Chilul shabos is allot worse then this. It is not even to be compared. Nebech there are millions of Jews that are mechalel shabos every shabos. I think chilul shabos should be addressed before this.

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 04:45 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

To the point. I was scrolling down the comments just to see if there is anyone out there who gets the point, kudos to you.

There is one thing that’s worse than organized crime, yes, its organized religion
It’s time for the Jewish spring, that’s the start of it

P.S. I despite his neture karte views just as anyone else but I can also isolate common sense in every story by itself

Thank You.

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 04:52 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #74  
haltkup Says:

as someone has already pointed out ,if all he wants is to get his kids the best education he could have forced the boy school to take his boys and girl school to take his girls ,just like he doing now, switching the genders is just for revenge

Please tell us how could he have forced his boys into Yeshiva and the same with the girls. This goes on all the time here in the US. They reject you for lack of tuition, if you have the internet, TV, etc. They get away with this because there is no law they have to accept Kids. So no - he had no other legal options to get his kids into Frum schools. Were you able to Halt Kup on my post?

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 05:37 PM inclusion of women Says:

But it's about time too! How disgusting this school is for the exclusion of women!!!!
I hope the over 100 posts before this one are saying just that!

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 05:49 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #104  
Truth Says:

Please tell us how could he have forced his boys into Yeshiva and the same with the girls. This goes on all the time here in the US. They reject you for lack of tuition, if you have the internet, TV, etc. They get away with this because there is no law they have to accept Kids. So no - he had no other legal options to get his kids into Frum schools. Were you able to Halt Kup on my post?

You make it sound (I hope I just misread you) like it is a bad thing that there is no law forcing yeshivas to accept talmidim. Would you really rather have bunch of goyim dictating to yeshivos on whom they have to accept? I find it difficult to believe.

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 Jan 08, 2013 at 07:55 PM shimon Says:

Reply to #106  
ShmuelG Says:

You make it sound (I hope I just misread you) like it is a bad thing that there is no law forcing yeshivas to accept talmidim. Would you really rather have bunch of goyim dictating to yeshivos on whom they have to accept? I find it difficult to believe.

again, i just can't get over the idea, that if girls are forced to be accepted by law into the yeshiva, the yeshiva should send them home to put on chasidish levush of men, and if they don't agree, then they can be expelled on those grounds of refusing to follow the requirments of the school (yeshiva).
And the same with the girls school, the boys should be told to either wear dresses, or OUT!
Wouldn't that work?
Or can't a school insist on certain directives regarding clothes?

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 Jan 09, 2013 at 01:30 AM Truth Says:

Reply to #106  
ShmuelG Says:

You make it sound (I hope I just misread you) like it is a bad thing that there is no law forcing yeshivas to accept talmidim. Would you really rather have bunch of goyim dictating to yeshivos on whom they have to accept? I find it difficult to believe.

No; the only bad thing is Not accepting Jewish kids into Frum schools for every reason under the sun, unless the kids are Frey because of their own choice.

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