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FILE - In this May 16, 2012 video frame grab provided by WCBS-TV, Nechemya Weberman attends a fundraiser in the Brooklyn borough of New York, where his supporters contributed to a legal defense fund for his trial on charges of sexually abusing a girl he was supposed to be counseling. Weberman, a religious counselor in New York’s ultra-orthodox Satmar Jewish community, was convicted of the crime in December 2012. (AP Photo/WCBS-TV, File)FILE - In this May 16, 2012 video frame grab provided by WCBS-TV, Nechemya Weberman attends a fundraiser in the Brooklyn borough of New York, where his supporters contributed to a legal defense fund for his trial on charges of sexually abusing a girl he was supposed to be counseling. Weberman, a religious counselor in New York’s ultra-orthodox Satmar Jewish community, was convicted of the crime in December 2012. (AP Photo/WCBS-TV, File)

Brooklyn, NY -  A religious counselor in New York City’s ultra-orthodox Jewish community who was convicted of molesting a girl who came to him for help has been sentenced to 103 years in prison.

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Nechemya Weberman (nuh-HEHM’-yuh) was sentenced Tuesday. He was convicted in December of sustained sexual abuse of a child.

His trial put a spotlight on the insular Satmar Hasidic sect in Brooklyn and its strict rules governing clothing, social customs and interaction with the outside world.

The girl, now 18, testified for days about the abuse. She had been questioning her faith and dressing immodestly in violation of the sect’s customs, so she was sent to Weberman for counseling. She says the abuse started when she was 12 and lasted until she was 15.

Weberman testified that he “never, ever” abused her.

The court received dozens of letters from supporters of the defendant who described his life in the community as a counselor and a father.

“Nechemya Weberman is innocent of the crimes charged,” defense attorney George Farkas insisted at the sentencing.

Weberman said “no thank you” when asked if he wished to speak. He and his wife had no visible reaction to the sentence. The top charge carried a sentence of 25 years; he got consecutive terms for some of the other charges.

The defense argued that the girl was angry that Weberman had told her parents she had a boyfriend at age 15, forbidden in her community. Attorney Stacey Richman said the case boiled down to a simple “he said, she said,” and the girl was a petulant, calculating liar.

“The only evidence in this case of sexual abuse is the word of” the accuser, Richman told jurors. “She’s making things up in front of you as they occur.”

But the jury took just hours in December to convict Weberman on all counts.

Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes released a statement after the sentencing saying, “If there is one message to take away from this case it is that this office will pursue the evil of sexual abuse of a child no matter where it occurs in this county. We must protect our children from sexual predators.”

“The abuse of a child cannot be swept under the rug or dealt with by insular groups believing only they know what is best for their community. In this case it took the courage of a young woman to drive home the point that justice can only be achieved through the involvement of civil authorities charged with protecting all the people.”.


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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

For once justice was done. Let us hope this will help break the Wall of Silence and lead to a Jewish Community which is safe for children rather than rapists

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM Booky Says:

OMG. does he still have chances for less years? what a shame... No evidence at all... Corrupted system... This is America 2013! SHAME!!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM GevalDigeh Says:

Oy veyyy nebech. 7 years would be enough for him.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:31 AM bobgrant Says:

The bottom line is there was no evidence clear evidence and I'm just thinking what goes to the judges mind to be able to give somebody hundred and 13 years in prison with no feelings

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM MonseyLuke Says:

Waiting for the spin on this one. Sad. Luke

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM Realist77 Says:

No it was not antisemitism. His own actions, and misconduct got him his sentence.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM tired Says:

very sad for every one

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM My2Cents_ Says:

we got what we planted ... mosiach needs to come ... this is a travesty of justice
assuming he did it , does not get someone a LIFE sentence ... this reminds me of the wild wild west , when a Judge can not decipher what real justice should be ..
I hope all those that still believe in the Justice system will wake up and see why this is NOT the way to go ....
Yes Child abuse is extremely damaging and leave multiple scars forever on the child ... But if Murder gets you 25 . and probation ,. how does abuse get you 103 years ?
We live in the media age , both the Judge , DA , and the media , made a show of this trial , and so this is a very sad ending
having said all this, I still FAULT Mr Weberman for not taking a deal if he was offered one , the Chillul Hashem this has cause is HUGE .. and had he taken a deal ( even if innocent) he would have had a zechus for olem haba .. ( if he was truly innocent)
I wish all those involved that they should be able to heal and move on with a productive life
Hanistures Hashem El'kanei .. we believe that this was what he wanted and that when the light will shine once again on us , we will all see the Truth

we truly live in dark times

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Hashem yirachem! Innocent until proven guilty is something of the past.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM Al Tigeu Bimbeshichai Says:

It sends a strong message to the community he come from that not only will such predators pay dearly but any leadership which continues to cover it up and to be in denial that it's widespread in the community, will meat the same fate.

The Pasuk "Al Tigeu Bimeshichai" is warning statement form G-d, or else pay the price.

The price to pay is very high: 1 year for each hair cut off Reb Pinye's beard.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM DRE53 Says:

UNBELEIVABLE

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM Anonymous Says:

What a sad day. It is gratifying to see that molesters no longer go unpunished.
However to put this man behind bars for so many years is senseless.
Who gains ? Society can achieve deterrence with much a smaller yet still harsh sentence. There is no defending what this man allegedly did (mind you there was no physical evidence and we did not hear testimony from any other victims).
But why a sentence usually reserved for mass murderers ?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM bubii Says:

Nebeh what a tragedy for all involved .

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:39 AM toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM chaimmordche Says:

yeah! i really believe him! when will we wake up and get these monsters off the streets?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM yaakov doe Says:

A little excessive, don't you think?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM maysways18 Says:

Oh Nebech BDE
Hashem should help that this so called victim should do tshuvah , and admit the real truth and get this man out of jail asap.
However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM Rebeli Says:

Oy Vey, Hashem yeracheim!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM Sherree Says:

B"H, it is only because the victim was as brave as Dovid Hamelech standing up to Goliath, and that she had the support of so many people who believed her and were willing to stand up for her. She found her strength not only because of what he did to her but because of what he did to countless others and her fear of what he would continue to do if she didn't come forward. She is a hero and he will never again be able to hurt another child because of her bravery. Even though her community harassed and threatened her and her family, she stood up in the face of adversity and fought for what was yasher! Kol Hakovod to this brave neshoma.

We all need to learn a lesson here. Kol Yisroel areivim zeh l'zeh. If we don't stand up and protect our children from evil, no one else will! If we don't support those who do, we put our own children at risk. Stop being blind sided, use the common sense Hashem gave you and protect the children he gifted into your care. If you don't you will have to answer to HIM after 120. You davened to Hashem for children, don't laugh in his face when it comes to caring for them, step up to the plate.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM Robin Says:

This is a landmark case. I hope the frum world will finally wake up to the fact that the garb of piety is the oldest disguise in the world to conceal perversion. This perp is not a religious man-- he makes a mockery of holiness. May this be the beginning of the healing process for all the victims of such crimes out there. Truth will prevail and it is the ONLY pathway to Redemption.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM InsideOne Says:

Great! Finally a clear message that abuse of powerless young boys and girls by the well-connected in our communities can have real consequences.

Hopefully, there will be more such sntences to come (not like the frum guy in Monsey that just got away with no jail time on a guilty plea).

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM michigan Says:

He should not see the light of day again and have done to him 10x over what he did to this girl and probably many other innocent children. Sick man. Shame on him and everyone saying he should be free. Sick people.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
maysways18 Says:

Oh Nebech BDE
Hashem should help that this so called victim should do tshuvah , and admit the real truth and get this man out of jail asap.
However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence.

It's time you went to a decent school as you seem to know neither torah or U.S. laws.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM Chaim! Says:

Reply to #4  
bobgrant Says:

The bottom line is there was no evidence clear evidence and I'm just thinking what goes to the judges mind to be able to give somebody hundred and 13 years in prison with no feelings

Had you been a the trial you would feel like a big fool for making your comment regarding "no evidence"!
The truth was sadly written ALL OVER THE WALL!!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM Liepa Says:

The judge used bad judgement! Murderers get far less than 103 years.
If in fact abuse occurred, than the punishment should fit the crime. Wouldn't 5 years have done that!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM no evidence but Says:

Yes, it seems as though there was no direct evidence but he was no tzadik. I guess in some way what you do catches up with you. He accepted money for tzedaka and spent it on personal stuff, including ladies intimate garments. This CHARITY FRAUD WAS ADMITTED BY HIM AND BASED ON CLEAR EVIDENCE.
Guilty of something in my books.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM Snagged Says:

One wonders how the idiots above believe that there was a justice system before tv cameras and DNA.

No evidence? of course there was evidence. Testimony IS evidence.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM unbelvbl Says:

Levy Aaron get 40 years, and Nechmia Weberman gets 100 years!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM berelw Says:

Im a victims advocate. any abuse shouldn't be tolerated...but 103 years in inhumain for anyone.. 5 year is will do just fine....

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM News_Pains Says:

What a Chillul Hashem!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM MonseyLuke Says:

Reply to #22  
InsideOne Says:

Great! Finally a clear message that abuse of powerless young boys and girls by the well-connected in our communities can have real consequences.

Hopefully, there will be more such sntences to come (not like the frum guy in Monsey that just got away with no jail time on a guilty plea).

Inside Ine:
Exactly had this occurred in Rockland County he would have probably gotten 10 months probation. Sad. Luke

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:03 PM Chaim! Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

Stop talking like a fool!
In these type of cases there is usually never any physical evidence.
It all boils down to who the court believes to be truthful.
In this case the truth "was as clear as can be"!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

What a sad day. It is gratifying to see that molesters no longer go unpunished.
However to put this man behind bars for so many years is senseless.
Who gains ? Society can achieve deterrence with much a smaller yet still harsh sentence. There is no defending what this man allegedly did (mind you there was no physical evidence and we did not hear testimony from any other victims).
But why a sentence usually reserved for mass murderers ?

Senseless, why. As long as he is in jail, every child on the street is safe!!!
Who gains? Every child he can't touch gains, every child or woman he did touch, no longer has to fear bumping into him on the street ever again and can start to get on with their lives putting him in their past and no longer in their present.

Why should he get a less harsh sentence than he meted out to his victims? They live with what he did to them every single day. Why should he deserve less?

WE did NOT need to hear testimony from any other victim. He molested THIS victim for a period of 3 years. That is 4 hours a day, 3 times a week for 3 years. How many times did he touch her in a 4 hour period? How many ways did he touch her in a 4 hour period? Can you even imagine how much she suffered or what her nightmares entailed? YOU do the math. Each count, 59, comes with its own sentence and that is what he got. A man who murders one person gets sentenced for one crime. He was convicted on 59 crimes, do not have rachmonus.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Mr. Weberman needed to take the plea deal. His attorney certainly should have guided him to do so! By going to trial, he gambled with his life and unfortunately lost.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM Election2013 Says:

Evidence!!!

this guy admitted to having 3 bolt locks on his private room were he met with the girls, that door with 3 bolt locks are not a main door to walk in to the house... isn't that enough proof that this guy did things that were wrong?

which normal person has 3 bolt locks (not regular locks) on a door which was meant to be a room for counseling? I've gone to my share of therapists in my life time not only don't they have a lock on the room, the door is always ajar (open) a little.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

Oy Vey, the nonsense that you and so many others spout. Please learn the law. Please understand the consequences of such vile actions. Maybe if more of you would understand less of this would happen.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #4  
bobgrant Says:

The bottom line is there was no evidence clear evidence and I'm just thinking what goes to the judges mind to be able to give somebody hundred and 13 years in prison with no feelings

Um, there was evidence,it's called TESTIMONY

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:08 PM Chaim! Says:

Lets not forget all his victims that will be suffering in their own jails until 120 years!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

Without arguing about the merits of your position, eyewitness testimony about events witnessed personally is not hearsay. It's not even circumstantial. It's direct evidence, further corroberated by the testimony of the mental health professional which is either not hearsay or is admissible under a hearsay exception.

Regarding the merits of what you say, it does seem a little excessive (I think 25 years would be more fitting) but it's important to send a clear message that this type of vile behavior will not be tolerated in any community. Despite what people think, the majority of cases do not contain dna evidence, witnesses or video recordings. It's because of the proliferation of television shows like CSI that people erroneously believe the prosecution should always be able to produce such damning evidence. The fact finder must do the best job it can in spite of these deficiencies and in this case they found him guilty. The judge was well within his discretion considering the number of counts they found him guilty of.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM Liepa Says:

A judge on drugs!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM davidinuk Says:

"Why didn't he kill her??? He would of gotten only 35 years in jail..."

It's idiots who make comments like this one who allow abuse to continue unchecked in our kehillas.

Get this into your head. Weberman DID kill her.

BUT, unlike a murderer, his victims are alive and they will SUFFER FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

Abuse causes untold suffering to victims!!! It's not just a little scratch which goes away with time and "ah glettele". It causes deep mental scars which can remain within a victim for life! Why it has this affect I do not know, but victims suffer tremendously.

It's time people understood this. Maybe if they did, attitudes would change and 9/10 of chareidim would turn against abusers instead of their victims.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM Chaim Says:

Reply to #32  
berelw Says:

Im a victims advocate. any abuse shouldn't be tolerated...but 103 years in inhumain for anyone.. 5 year is will do just fine....

I don't think Madoff should sit more than 2-5 years either.
BUT WHO CARES WHAT ME & YOU THINK??
GET OPINIONS FROM THEIR VICTIMS!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM think Says:

Reply to #1  
Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

For once justice was done. Let us hope this will help break the Wall of Silence and lead to a Jewish Community which is safe for children rather than rapists

U should be embarrassed of ur self,
Do u know the facts, or ur also a drop out that loves to bash Jews and satmar...

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:12 PM Anonymous Says:

This will only cause more fear and coverups - I believe he is innocent and most of the community agrees - all this will do is cause people do mistrust goyim more and also not want to try to help otd kids. If there is such a thing as a chillul Hashem for a non-Jew this is it because this sentence will only cause more fear of goyim by our community.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Hashem yirachem! Innocent until proven guilty is something of the past.

This is not only to you, but to a few of you. He was proven guilty, so yes innocent until proven guilty.

Yes, 40 years was not enough time, but that was not as many counts as weberman had. First, there were more women who claimed he raped them. Second, there were counts of money fraud to contend with as well.

As for no proof, don't you mean no proof the satmar world will accept as proof? And what will the satmar world consider proof, walking in on the act? The fact that she was not the lone victim, the fact that her psychologist went forward with this and then pushed her forward, There were unchaparoned (thereby halachakly unacceptable) trips for hours & probably more that I personally don't know about since I wasn't in court listening to all of it (neither were you). 59 counts for anyone is despicable! And that the rabbi has his chasdim destroying the world of the victim is deplorable!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM Haredi Lite Says:

Boruch Hashem we have a working justice system that keeps dangerous criminals away from the public. It's irrelevant whether he gets 50 years or 100 years. The point is that he will rot in jail for the rest of his life, and never attack young girls again.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

Levi Aron had 8 counts, weberman had 59. FIFTY NINE!!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:20 PM monishmo Says:

Reply to #6  
Realist77 Says:

No it was not antisemitism. His own actions, and misconduct got him his sentence.

hynes has gotten so much pressure from activists that he wants to show them that hes not siding the community and poor weberman being the culpert. Even if he is guilty, the sentence is far too crazy!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #3  
GevalDigeh Says:

Oy veyyy nebech. 7 years would be enough for him.

Why would seven years be enough, based on what?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:37 PM jkier74 Says:

While I might agree that this is excessive, remember even according to Torah law, you can be chayev for each and every aveiro that is done numberous times. Thus you end up with multiple punishment for the same chet. If this would have been a one time abuse he would have received a lot less. Sinc this abuse ocurred over a few years, he is punished for each and every crime - just as in the Torah. After a 120 years we are also punished for each and every aveiro. I am not even talking about the aveiro of Chillul Hashem. That is separate.

I also feel that if you ruin a person's life you should be punished at least the same - your life should be ruined. It is a sad situation. He should have taken the plea bargain. I feel bad for his family. But then again, every criminal has familyy too and they still get punished. Hashem Yerachem

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

when are you leaving?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #8  
My2Cents_ Says:

we got what we planted ... mosiach needs to come ... this is a travesty of justice
assuming he did it , does not get someone a LIFE sentence ... this reminds me of the wild wild west , when a Judge can not decipher what real justice should be ..
I hope all those that still believe in the Justice system will wake up and see why this is NOT the way to go ....
Yes Child abuse is extremely damaging and leave multiple scars forever on the child ... But if Murder gets you 25 . and probation ,. how does abuse get you 103 years ?
We live in the media age , both the Judge , DA , and the media , made a show of this trial , and so this is a very sad ending
having said all this, I still FAULT Mr Weberman for not taking a deal if he was offered one , the Chillul Hashem this has cause is HUGE .. and had he taken a deal ( even if innocent) he would have had a zechus for olem haba .. ( if he was truly innocent)
I wish all those involved that they should be able to heal and move on with a productive life
Hanistures Hashem El'kanei .. we believe that this was what he wanted and that when the light will shine once again on us , we will all see the Truth

we truly live in dark times

When a judge sentences someone he takes inconsideration numerous facts, the most important one is contrition, and the shear member of other victims. Regardless that during the trial there wasn’t testimony from other victims, but legally the judge could take inconsideration other who were reluctant to testify.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

there were two witnessnes
the young girl and a social worker
the testimony was direct and not hearsay

i was not in the court room and dont know all the details but your posting is factually incorrect

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM davidinuk Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

This will only cause more fear and coverups - I believe he is innocent and most of the community agrees - all this will do is cause people do mistrust goyim more and also not want to try to help otd kids. If there is such a thing as a chillul Hashem for a non-Jew this is it because this sentence will only cause more fear of goyim by our community.

To any clown who still thinks this is a stitch up, look up Rabbi Yakov Horowitz who says that he has been CONTACTED PERSONALLY by MANY VICTIMS. None of them dare come forward publicly because of the backlash and harassment they will face from their fellow yiden if they dare!

He's not an anti semite. Is he also making it up?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #17  
yaakov doe Says:

A little excessive, don't you think?

agreed

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:42 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #18  
maysways18 Says:

Oh Nebech BDE
Hashem should help that this so called victim should do tshuvah , and admit the real truth and get this man out of jail asap.
However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence.

i am sure the girl told the real truth as she understood it

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Hashem yirachem! Innocent until proven guilty is something of the past.

Sorry but he was found guilty, what is your beef.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #25  
michigan Says:

He should not see the light of day again and have done to him 10x over what he did to this girl and probably many other innocent children. Sick man. Shame on him and everyone saying he should be free. Sick people.

we could discuss the appropriateness of his sentence

he should not however have done to him what he was convicted of doing to the teen age girl

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:44 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

By all means move

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:45 PM Butterfly Says:

The message was sent! and Delivered!! Received???????

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

Say what you want, there was a witness, the victim. What would suffice you, DNA? What a 12 years old girl save DNA, are you deranged.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

You don't need more than other victims and a social worker who saw the outcome, the emotional abuse she carried with her from the attacks.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:49 PM JOTHEPROFESSOR Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

What a sad day. It is gratifying to see that molesters no longer go unpunished.
However to put this man behind bars for so many years is senseless.
Who gains ? Society can achieve deterrence with much a smaller yet still harsh sentence. There is no defending what this man allegedly did (mind you there was no physical evidence and we did not hear testimony from any other victims).
But why a sentence usually reserved for mass murderers ?

I agree with what you say (except for the suggestion that the edvidence was weak.) Two points: 1) In general criminal law has become too harsh. There are dollars to bhe mkade by imprisoning people. 2) I suspect that the Judge was so harsh because of the outrageous behavior of harassment directed against tthe victim.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:49 PM GevalDigeh Says:

Reply to number 9 Ok
You maybe right but who cares as longest both of them don't see the day light again it's good
40 103 300 it's all the same
20 minimum
But it's not only one girl now there is more girls complaining he did the same to them

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:53 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

In the minute you started to spin the Obama ‘black” fault; you exposed yourself to be a racist.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:53 PM Tzippy Says:

Ten other women spoke with the DA but I read only one will testify against him. Now that will not be necessary. May the other ten women who were abused by him have peace now that he can no longer hurt them or their children.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

This will only cause more fear and coverups - I believe he is innocent and most of the community agrees - all this will do is cause people do mistrust goyim more and also not want to try to help otd kids. If there is such a thing as a chillul Hashem for a non-Jew this is it because this sentence will only cause more fear of goyim by our community.

"thing as a chillul Hashem for a non-Jew this is it because this sentence will only cause more fear of goyim by our community"

You fear goyim? That's ridiculous! Goyim have nothing to do with this case!!! Weberman was a Jew and so was the girl he raped. Stop blaming goyim for everything.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #22  
InsideOne Says:

Great! Finally a clear message that abuse of powerless young boys and girls by the well-connected in our communities can have real consequences.

Hopefully, there will be more such sntences to come (not like the frum guy in Monsey that just got away with no jail time on a guilty plea).

Did it ever cross your mind that one day you could be on the receiving end of a conviction and sentence by a jury without any evidence or witnesses, in spite of the fact that you' re not frum, like the guy in Monsey.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:57 PM neezoogshoin Says:

Everyone is saying "sad" "tragedy"... don't you feel less intelligent when you are basing your claims on hearsay???

I'll bet 95% of the commenters do not know what was said in court, they are just repeating what they heard in shul and from their local brainwasher. This is the saddest part.

I have only one thing to say to people who defend rapists and child molestors: "Until it happens to your child".

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Robin Says:

This is a landmark case. I hope the frum world will finally wake up to the fact that the garb of piety is the oldest disguise in the world to conceal perversion. This perp is not a religious man-- he makes a mockery of holiness. May this be the beginning of the healing process for all the victims of such crimes out there. Truth will prevail and it is the ONLY pathway to Redemption.

I was watching the trial I did not hear any third party evidence other than the accuser. How do I know he is a perp and deserves this much years?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:

he should have plea bargained to first degree murder

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
michigan Says:

He should not see the light of day again and have done to him 10x over what he did to this girl and probably many other innocent children. Sick man. Shame on him and everyone saying he should be free. Sick people.

Was there evidence?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

There is rarely DNA in a sexual abuse case. She didn't know at age 12 to save the DNA. What 12 year old knows that? Stop blaming her and the other 10 women who spoke with Hynes about their abuse by this monster.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:01 PM GevalDigeh Says:

Reply to number 52. Based on tgat ge is a bebech and tgat seven years is enough for him to learn his lesson not to do ut again

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:01 PM Anonymous Says:

I'm in no way judging or saying anything regarding this particular case. I'd just like people to know that sometimes, just SOMETIMES, one can be accused wrongly. And just because one did not defend oneself properly, or was not able to, does not at all incriminate.

Case in point – I used to blog away at a certain site until recently when I was so viciously accused of "stalking" someone. A full blown "page" was put up against me (with all private details for extra measure), and any attempts to respond, to explain, to defend were, and are, quashed. This attacker, who should have known better, is still unaware of her terrible, most damaging mistake.

While of course it's only an on-line thing, nothing IRL, those hurting words, the embarrassment, mortification still lingers on.

So I know first hand - sometimes, sometimes an accusation can be a fabrication.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Chaim! Says:

Had you been a the trial you would feel like a big fool for making your comment regarding "no evidence"!
The truth was sadly written ALL OVER THE WALL!!!

How do you know the truth. Is it your feeling? Is it that weberman stole money that makes you feel that he is guilty of this too? Explain Chaim

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
no evidence but Says:

Yes, it seems as though there was no direct evidence but he was no tzadik. I guess in some way what you do catches up with you. He accepted money for tzedaka and spent it on personal stuff, including ladies intimate garments. This CHARITY FRAUD WAS ADMITTED BY HIM AND BASED ON CLEAR EVIDENCE.
Guilty of something in my books.

You never stole money ? Are you ready for an audit? Do you report all income? Huh??.?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:04 PM Real news Says:

You hope for webermans sake that he did do it, so he got caught and he has to pay(even though 103 years is a bit much) if he didnt do it and is sitting for life, how could he possibly make it through sitting for the next ........

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:05 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

Why don't you and have good trip

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #71  
Anonymous Says:

"thing as a chillul Hashem for a non-Jew this is it because this sentence will only cause more fear of goyim by our community"

You fear goyim? That's ridiculous! Goyim have nothing to do with this case!!! Weberman was a Jew and so was the girl he raped. Stop blaming goyim for everything.

He didnt do it but I am not blaming goyim - what I am saying is if the government wants us to turn in criminals it shouldnt prosecute innocent people like nechemya

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

Mr. Weberman needed to take the plea deal. His attorney certainly should have guided him to do so! By going to trial, he gambled with his life and unfortunately lost.

I read the article in Mishpacah from his attorney. Sounds like he is arrogant or ignorant. He quoted Ben Brafman and other big ones that a chassidish man cannot get a fair trial so why not take a plea?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:07 PM anonymous Says:

Please explain the connection with Obamas and I am sure someone as erudite as you will have not have any problem to give a coherent and succint explanation

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
JoeGrossJR Says:

Why would seven years be enough, based on what?

IMHO after a few years you break down and repent. Don't think so?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #56  
Robert Says:

there were two witnessnes
the young girl and a social worker
the testimony was direct and not hearsay

i was not in the court room and dont know all the details but your posting is factually incorrect

The social worker testimony was based on what the accuser said so really it's just one testimony

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Tzippy Says:

Ten other women spoke with the DA but I read only one will testify against him. Now that will not be necessary. May the other ten women who were abused by him have peace now that he can no longer hurt them or their children.

I heard of 2. Is it now 10? Imagine this guy is yours a family don't yu think 100 years is too long?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:11 PM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #18  
maysways18 Says:

Oh Nebech BDE
Hashem should help that this so called victim should do tshuvah , and admit the real truth and get this man out of jail asap.
However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence.

By estifying the victim has done tshuva, save one Jew you save the world & by testifying she saved many Jews from this so called mans evil ways.

1) As for what the Torah says, it says you need to follow the laws of your place of dwelling.
2) he did not belong in yichud with her as per the Torah.
3) there was a time we were all allowed more than one wife, now it's forbidden, having and affair (even if it were rape) is basically like marrying another woman since what makes a woman belong to a man is the one act he transgressed with the victim

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #73  
neezoogshoin Says:

Everyone is saying "sad" "tragedy"... don't you feel less intelligent when you are basing your claims on hearsay???

I'll bet 95% of the commenters do not know what was said in court, they are just repeating what they heard in shul and from their local brainwasher. This is the saddest part.

I have only one thing to say to people who defend rapists and child molestors: "Until it happens to your child".

You are right but he wasn't "proven" guilty He was declared guilty by a typical jury that hates Hasidic people just like everyone does. Call it whatever you want if not antisemitism at its best. Btw I'm modern orthodox and watched the trial. Couldn't see what evidence this was based on other than her testimony.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:18 PM m1331 Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

Levi Aron killed a child r'l,the child died. Weberman killed a child's future, soul but kept alive her body which is in some cases worse ( not to diminish the tragedy of the child's petirah)

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:19 PM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #28  
Liepa Says:

The judge used bad judgement! Murderers get far less than 103 years.
If in fact abuse occurred, than the punishment should fit the crime. Wouldn't 5 years have done that!

He had 59 counts against him! And 5 years?! What are you talking about?! He raped an underage little girl countless times!!! What was her sin?! Wanting to be different that's all!!! As for five years drug dealers get more & shell spend her life suffering because of what this monster did to her!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:20 PM farrockgrandma Says:

Personally, I think the sentence is entirely appropriate. Too bad his friends and neighbors, who engaged in witness intimidation, can't share the honors.
The lesson here is that if we want to ask the victim not to involve the civil authorities, the community has a responsibility to address the offense and protect the innocent. The young lady deserves a big round of applause for stepping forward. And we do have a 'Catholic priest' problem. We do not want to believe that someone we respect and trust is capable of evil.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:

shows you how the system is messed up, a killer of a child levi aron got 40 years, he did unspeakable things,

this guy, some off the derech girl that needs to blame someone for her goyishness (something no non hassidic jury would understand) made up a story and now she basically killed this man

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:26 PM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #32  
berelw Says:

Im a victims advocate. any abuse shouldn't be tolerated...but 103 years in inhumain for anyone.. 5 year is will do just fine....

You obviously are not what you claim to be or you would know five tears is not enough! Drug dealers go away for more!!! Need i remind you that the victim suffers a lifetime of pain? As an advocate you would know that and thereby know dive years doesn't begin to cover the crime.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:26 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #52  
JoeGrossJR Says:

Why would seven years be enough, based on what?

Based on the fact when someone is convicted for manslaughter he gets less than fifteen years, if that. No one was killed here, therefore 5 - 7 years should suffice.

If you really believe 103 years is a sane sentence then you must be completely in.......

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:29 PM bennyt Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

What about the victim who testified? Is she not a good enough witness? What about the 10 other women and/or girls whom he sexually abused but refused to testify because they would be shunned in Williamsburg? Move back to Europe where they'll welcome you with open arms!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:29 PM kweanbea Says:

Reply to #32  
berelw Says:

Im a victims advocate. any abuse shouldn't be tolerated...but 103 years in inhumain for anyone.. 5 year is will do just fine....

What kind of victim's advocate thinks 5 years is sufficient punishment for repeated rape of a young girl?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:32 PM bennyt Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

The Ribono Shel Olam was a witness and He made sure that justice was done!! The Mishne in Pirke Avos states, “Know what is above from you. An eye that sees, an ear that hears, and all of your deeds are recorded in a book! (Avos 2:1)

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:38 PM Avi Says:

This is Not Justice!!!
This is a Lynch!!!

If this was a nonjew he would have gotten at most a few years never 103 or even more than 10, so Jewish Blood is cheap!!
Here in the usa court system!!

Im not sayin hes innocent, but 10 years an entire decade would be more than enough, 15 years already beyond enough, but 103!!!

A certain group of people would not let one of them to be treated this way and it wouldnt happen because they would be on the streets!!
Maybe its time the chevra in willi show their strenght!!
Because i got news for you
Tommorow it may be you or someone in your family who did something not kosher on their taxes or whatever and they will also get 30, 50 or even 100 years!!!
Because they can get away, because jewish blood is cheap!
This is clearly antisemetism cause no nonjew ever got close to this!!
Again he very well maybe guilty, but this not justice!!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:41 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #28  
Liepa Says:

The judge used bad judgement! Murderers get far less than 103 years.
If in fact abuse occurred, than the punishment should fit the crime. Wouldn't 5 years have done that!

You wouldn't write such foolishness if c"v it were your daughter or sister.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #85  
Anonymous Says:

I read the article in Mishpacah from his attorney. Sounds like he is arrogant or ignorant. He quoted Ben Brafman and other big ones that a chassidish man cannot get a fair trial so why not take a plea?

lol his attorney might of been fooled by him but I doubt it given the guys track record, you are not talking about some schemckle lawyer here, the guy has 40+ years of success behind him

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:42 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #32  
berelw Says:

Im a victims advocate. any abuse shouldn't be tolerated...but 103 years in inhumain for anyone.. 5 year is will do just fine....

You are a victim's advocate and I'm the Queen of Endland.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:42 PM ShatzMatz Says:

To all those complaining about the severe sentence, the judge was only following our request. Like idiots we hung up fundraiser signs all over the neighborhood stating "Alilas 75", well if you ask for 75 years then that is what you are going to get. Since that fundraising fiasco, there has been plenty reason to add to the original 75 years. Harassing the victim is worth another 10 years, putting her husband out of business is worth at least another 10 years, acting like the mafia in court and illegally taking the witnesses pictures is worth about 5 years. Throwing the victim's niece out of school is worth another 5 years, Aron Teitelbaum calling the victim a whore in public, another 5 years, launching the Jewish Phonebook to put the father out of business at least another 20 years, and grilling the victim on the stand for 4 straight days is worth at least another 20 years. All in all he got quite a bargain. And think about it, with good behavior he could be out in 75 years, just like the posters said. Mamesh Ruach Hakodesh.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:42 PM commonsense99 Says:

So much for the Justice system, Weberman with no witnesses get 100 yrs and Moishe Turner who admitted having anal sex with a 14 year old over 7 times get 10 year probation, please explain that to me

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:43 PM Just the Facts Says:

I am not a navi and don't know what the judge was thinking when he came up with this sentence. But here are some things to consider:

1) Weberman was part of the Williamsburg Vaad Hatznius

2) The Williamsburg community organized a fund raiser for Weberman and raised $500,000. They motivated people to donate by hanging up posters that the victim is a bomb attacking the community and didnt want to give her, her right to tell her side in court.

3) The fundraiser and the demonization of the victim was interpreted by many professionals outside the community as harassment of the victim

a) to scare her from testifying and even more important,

b) to scare off any other victims from testifying about Weberman or other abusers.

4) Four people from the community were arrested for harassing the victims husband, and their acts of harassment were recorded and will be used as evidence against them. One of the four even offered her husband $500,000 if he gets his wife to drop the charges. Please note, that he offered the same amount of money that was raised at the fund raiser. Is that just a coincidence ?

5) Reb Aaron made comments in public that were interpreted by many, as additional demonization of the victim and any other victims considering reporting their abusers to the authorities.

To any logical person; especially an outsider, all of the above points to an active campaign by community leaders to cover up for sexual abuse within their community and to prevent victims from working with the police and the justice system.

Do you think its possible the judge felt the need to send a very strong message to the community and its leaders and used Weberman (who was part of the Vaad Hatznius) as his proxy ?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:46 PM bennyt Says:

Reply to #28  
Liepa Says:

The judge used bad judgement! Murderers get far less than 103 years.
If in fact abuse occurred, than the punishment should fit the crime. Wouldn't 5 years have done that!

He gets more jail time than a murderer because the victim has to suffer the rest of her life from his abuse!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
jkier74 Says:

While I might agree that this is excessive, remember even according to Torah law, you can be chayev for each and every aveiro that is done numberous times. Thus you end up with multiple punishment for the same chet. If this would have been a one time abuse he would have received a lot less. Sinc this abuse ocurred over a few years, he is punished for each and every crime - just as in the Torah. After a 120 years we are also punished for each and every aveiro. I am not even talking about the aveiro of Chillul Hashem. That is separate.

I also feel that if you ruin a person's life you should be punished at least the same - your life should be ruined. It is a sad situation. He should have taken the plea bargain. I feel bad for his family. But then again, every criminal has familyy too and they still get punished. Hashem Yerachem

My dear fellow, you left out one minor detail, according to the Holy Torah there needs to be witnesses and warnings prior to punishment!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:49 PM Chaim! Says:

Reply to #75  
Anonymous Says:

he should have plea bargained to first degree murder

“ he should have plea bargained to first degree murder ”

He should have done lots of things "But his arrogant Chutzpa pride and false hope he got from his community" simply didn't allow him to be realistic.

I know for a fact that the Askonim & Rabbanim did hear from other victims shortly after his arrest and still did nothing about it (they told them all "we know about it but we don't feel he belongs in jail, of coarse not, the victim wasn't their child!)

If they really cared for this man they should have sat down with him and convinced him to take/negotiate a plea!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:50 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #84  
Anonymous Says:

He didnt do it but I am not blaming goyim - what I am saying is if the government wants us to turn in criminals it shouldnt prosecute innocent people like nechemya

Well those who heard the girl dont think he is innocent at all,its only youre naive thinking leads you to that conclussion, this is a no brainer ,you cannot bring youreself to beleive his guilt but there is no way on this earth that anyone let alone this girl would fabricate such a story no way in the universe .

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 01:54 PM kweanbea Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

You are right but he wasn't "proven" guilty He was declared guilty by a typical jury that hates Hasidic people just like everyone does. Call it whatever you want if not antisemitism at its best. Btw I'm modern orthodox and watched the trial. Couldn't see what evidence this was based on other than her testimony.

When you say you "watched the trial", do you mean you went to Brooklyn every day and sat in the courtroom?
Didn't think so.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:01 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

IMHO after a few years you break down and repent. Don't think so?

This is not about repentant between him and HaShem it is between him and the victim. There was a time when he could have shown contrition that was before the trial, now after dragging the victims and her family through the mud, it is too late.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:02 PM shredready Says:

it does seem there are many other woman girls that he abused as per the daily news.

However, I feel 103 is way to long a sentence maybe 10-20 with a stipulation that any other incidents he goes back for life

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:03 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #2  
Booky Says:

OMG. does he still have chances for less years? what a shame... No evidence at all... Corrupted system... This is America 2013! SHAME!!!

read the daily news there are many others

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:04 PM putz Says:

Reply to #105  
ShatzMatz Says:

To all those complaining about the severe sentence, the judge was only following our request. Like idiots we hung up fundraiser signs all over the neighborhood stating "Alilas 75", well if you ask for 75 years then that is what you are going to get. Since that fundraising fiasco, there has been plenty reason to add to the original 75 years. Harassing the victim is worth another 10 years, putting her husband out of business is worth at least another 10 years, acting like the mafia in court and illegally taking the witnesses pictures is worth about 5 years. Throwing the victim's niece out of school is worth another 5 years, Aron Teitelbaum calling the victim a whore in public, another 5 years, launching the Jewish Phonebook to put the father out of business at least another 20 years, and grilling the victim on the stand for 4 straight days is worth at least another 20 years. All in all he got quite a bargain. And think about it, with good behavior he could be out in 75 years, just like the posters said. Mamesh Ruach Hakodesh.

being an idiot: no crime FREE! thanks god

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:06 PM maxedout Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

alterg, being the ignoramus that you are, there are many of us that would pay you to go back to europe. how soon can you have your bags packed? I'm sure you can find a nice place in iran near your best friend Mahmud.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:06 PM A1826 Says:

Reply to #32  
berelw Says:

Im a victims advocate. any abuse shouldn't be tolerated...but 103 years in inhumain for anyone.. 5 year is will do just fine....

No, 5 years will not do just fine. He needs to be put away as long as he lives because thats the only way he will not be able to touch another child.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:06 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

You are right but he wasn't "proven" guilty He was declared guilty by a typical jury that hates Hasidic people just like everyone does. Call it whatever you want if not antisemitism at its best. Btw I'm modern orthodox and watched the trial. Couldn't see what evidence this was based on other than her testimony.

Your writing style gives you away; you didn’t get a modern orthodox education.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:06 PM shredready Says:

obama has nothing to do with this stop the nonsense

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:08 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #30  
Snagged Says:

One wonders how the idiots above believe that there was a justice system before tv cameras and DNA.

No evidence? of course there was evidence. Testimony IS evidence.

one would think sanhedren used dna

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:10 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #88  
Anonymous Says:

The social worker testimony was based on what the accuser said so really it's just one testimony

you are incorrect
its two seperate tesimonies
one about the events and the other what was directly said to the social worker about the events
you can put whatever faith you have in eithe rof these testimonies..
apparantly the jury believed the girl and social worker

by the way
sending chasidic men to sit in the front row and take illegal photos during the trial did not help the defendent and it pissed off the judge too

those boys will be prosecuted for court contempt

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:11 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

You are right but he wasn't "proven" guilty He was declared guilty by a typical jury that hates Hasidic people just like everyone does. Call it whatever you want if not antisemitism at its best. Btw I'm modern orthodox and watched the trial. Couldn't see what evidence this was based on other than her testimony.

if it is he said she said then the jury has to decide which religious jew to beleive
the girl or the grown man

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:12 PM Sol-Sol Says:

Reply to #105  
ShatzMatz Says:

To all those complaining about the severe sentence, the judge was only following our request. Like idiots we hung up fundraiser signs all over the neighborhood stating "Alilas 75", well if you ask for 75 years then that is what you are going to get. Since that fundraising fiasco, there has been plenty reason to add to the original 75 years. Harassing the victim is worth another 10 years, putting her husband out of business is worth at least another 10 years, acting like the mafia in court and illegally taking the witnesses pictures is worth about 5 years. Throwing the victim's niece out of school is worth another 5 years, Aron Teitelbaum calling the victim a whore in public, another 5 years, launching the Jewish Phonebook to put the father out of business at least another 20 years, and grilling the victim on the stand for 4 straight days is worth at least another 20 years. All in all he got quite a bargain. And think about it, with good behavior he could be out in 75 years, just like the posters said. Mamesh Ruach Hakodesh.

Very very True!! Well Written!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:15 PM MidwesternGuy Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

My dear fellow, you left out one minor detail, according to the Holy Torah there needs to be witnesses and warnings prior to punishment!

Only for Misas Bais Din. However, the Rabbanan have many other punishments at their disposal, including mardus and even inprisonment.

And that's before we talk about the penalty for a Rodef, and it seems from the verdict that Weberman possibly has a din of a Rodef.. Have you ever learned in Yeshiva? There are several Torah remedies available.

That said, we're still subject to the laws of the land, like everyone else. Jewish innocence is valuable indeed, and Weberman will pay the price for what he did.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:15 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #108  
bennyt Says:

He gets more jail time than a murderer because the victim has to suffer the rest of her life from his abuse!!

So according to you, that means better for a person to die than to suffer the rest of her life with this memory. Where are you coming from, pray tell?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:16 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #101  
Avi Says:

This is Not Justice!!!
This is a Lynch!!!

If this was a nonjew he would have gotten at most a few years never 103 or even more than 10, so Jewish Blood is cheap!!
Here in the usa court system!!

Im not sayin hes innocent, but 10 years an entire decade would be more than enough, 15 years already beyond enough, but 103!!!

A certain group of people would not let one of them to be treated this way and it wouldnt happen because they would be on the streets!!
Maybe its time the chevra in willi show their strenght!!
Because i got news for you
Tommorow it may be you or someone in your family who did something not kosher on their taxes or whatever and they will also get 30, 50 or even 100 years!!!
Because they can get away, because jewish blood is cheap!
This is clearly antisemetism cause no nonjew ever got close to this!!
Again he very well maybe guilty, but this not justice!!!

how do you think people here in this cyber space world would react if exactly the same events occurred except the unlicensed professional was a gentile man accused of raping a chasidic girl?

i think people would call for blood and more , but i could be wrong

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:16 PM #24 Says:

Reply to #86  
anonymous Says:

Please explain the connection with Obamas and I am sure someone as erudite as you will have not have any problem to give a coherent and succint explanation

The general philosophy of the "Obamas" is that successful people have to pay for their success by being punished for the suffering of the less fortunate. Rich people he claims have to pay more money so that drug using, teenage mothers, and bums or whatever can sit at home with their big screen TV, iphone, computer, Ipad and eat for free at successful people's expense. This singular girl who accused this man of abuse, whether true or not, is exactly like the above. This girl had problems (less fortunate) and decided to take it out on someone who helped people in the community (more fortunate). Even if he did do this crime, which is possible, the overzealousness to prosecute religious people like Rubaskin and this guy (not to equate them entirely) shows a pattern of abuse against successful religious individuals by the Justice System in America just like Obama does against rich or fortunate people. Even if this guy did what he was found guilty of, they are making an example of him with 100 years. He will certainly die before then. Instead of meting out justice they are stringing him up in public for all others to see who is in charge.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:17 PM ShalomCon Says:

The response here in favor of Weberman is shocking. Where is the compassion for the victim? Even if she is viewed by some to be unsympathetic, ask yourselves how much more evidence would you need if she were YOUR daughter?

So this animal has now been accused, tried, convicted and sentenced. If any of the ridiculous claims of being convicted without a shred of evidence or that he didn't receive a fair trial because of antisemitism or anti-haredi sentiment are true, then this is fertile grounds for appeal. I imagine that probably won't happen; so his blind community will forever treat him as a tortured martyr while the rest of the world thanks HaSh-m that he's locked away for the rest of his life - out of the reaches of other vulnerable little girls.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:18 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #106  
commonsense99 Says:

So much for the Justice system, Weberman with no witnesses get 100 yrs and Moishe Turner who admitted having anal sex with a 14 year old over 7 times get 10 year probation, please explain that to me

there were two witnessnes one was the jewish girl/victim and the other witness was the social worker in whom she confided

so you are clearly wrong there were witnesses

i do not know about the turner case, perhaps you can enlighten us

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:19 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #81  
Anonymous Says:

You never stole money ? Are you ready for an audit? Do you report all income? Huh??.?

what a stupid reasoning there are people who drive on shabbos why don't you

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:19 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #97  
Liepa Says:

Based on the fact when someone is convicted for manslaughter he gets less than fifteen years, if that. No one was killed here, therefore 5 - 7 years should suffice.

If you really believe 103 years is a sane sentence then you must be completely in.......

Sorry Liepa,
He was convicted on fifty-four different charges, I am positive if someone is convicted on fifty-four manslaughter, he would get the same or even more. Therefore you cannot compere other trials.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:20 PM robert Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

My dear fellow, you left out one minor detail, according to the Holy Torah there needs to be witnesses and warnings prior to punishment!

tell that to the judge the next time you get a speeding ticket or get arrested for some other infraction

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:23 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #101  
Avi Says:

This is Not Justice!!!
This is a Lynch!!!

If this was a nonjew he would have gotten at most a few years never 103 or even more than 10, so Jewish Blood is cheap!!
Here in the usa court system!!

Im not sayin hes innocent, but 10 years an entire decade would be more than enough, 15 years already beyond enough, but 103!!!

A certain group of people would not let one of them to be treated this way and it wouldnt happen because they would be on the streets!!
Maybe its time the chevra in willi show their strenght!!
Because i got news for you
Tommorow it may be you or someone in your family who did something not kosher on their taxes or whatever and they will also get 30, 50 or even 100 years!!!
Because they can get away, because jewish blood is cheap!
This is clearly antisemetism cause no nonjew ever got close to this!!
Again he very well maybe guilty, but this not justice!!!

You wrote “A certain group of people” racist please enlighten us which group, be clear let us all judge you.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:25 PM DanielBarbaz Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

Really......you're ready to back to Europe? I am sure many people will be ready to help you pack.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:26 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #101  
Avi Says:

This is Not Justice!!!
This is a Lynch!!!

If this was a nonjew he would have gotten at most a few years never 103 or even more than 10, so Jewish Blood is cheap!!
Here in the usa court system!!

Im not sayin hes innocent, but 10 years an entire decade would be more than enough, 15 years already beyond enough, but 103!!!

A certain group of people would not let one of them to be treated this way and it wouldnt happen because they would be on the streets!!
Maybe its time the chevra in willi show their strenght!!
Because i got news for you
Tommorow it may be you or someone in your family who did something not kosher on their taxes or whatever and they will also get 30, 50 or even 100 years!!!
Because they can get away, because jewish blood is cheap!
This is clearly antisemetism cause no nonjew ever got close to this!!
Again he very well maybe guilty, but this not justice!!!

do a google search and see what you say is nonsense.

there are people who got lights sentencing Jews, Yids, and gentile and there are people who got very harsh sentencing Jew, Yid and gentiles

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:27 PM InsideOne Says:

Reply to #72  
bigwheeel Says:

Did it ever cross your mind that one day you could be on the receiving end of a conviction and sentence by a jury without any evidence or witnesses, in spite of the fact that you' re not frum, like the guy in Monsey.

Nope.

I have no fear at all of ever being in Weberman's position - I don't have his depraved fantasies, and as a liberal, I find taking advantage of the weak and poor to be beyond abhorrent. Also, this conviction did not happen without evidence or witnesses, but with them.

So I say again, let's have more frum molesters join him in prison for life, and rid our communities of this scourge.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:28 PM ShalomCon Says:

Reply to #97  
Liepa Says:

Based on the fact when someone is convicted for manslaughter he gets less than fifteen years, if that. No one was killed here, therefore 5 - 7 years should suffice.

If you really believe 103 years is a sane sentence then you must be completely in.......

"therefore 5 - 7 years should suffice."

And then what? Return him back to his dead-bolted office to mess around with other teenage girls? Are you ready to take that chance just because no one was killed?
Yes I must be completely "in......." - because I think that child molesters, especially those who prey on victims who are taught a code of silence in their home, school and community are a cancer on our society and should be permanently removed. Studies have shown time and again that child molesters seldom are rehabilitated and their rate of recidivism is extremely high once they're out of jail; even into their senior years.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:30 PM DanielBarbaz Says:

Reply to #17  
yaakov doe Says:

A little excessive, don't you think?

Yes, 100 years would have sufficed.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:34 PM Trying Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

You don't know what hearsay means.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

My dear fellow, you left out one minor detail, according to the Holy Torah there needs to be witnesses and warnings prior to punishment!

Please stop trying to use the Torah as your implement. It says nothing of the sort. There is NO halacha anywhere that requires a secular court to use the same guidelines as a beis din. This molester was not being tried in beis din, he was in criminal court. And they followed their rules of evidence. There was a clear halachic requirement to go the route of secular court due to several reasons: There is no capacity within the frum community to evaluate or deal with molestation. The professional is a mandated reporter, and halacha requires the professional follow the law. Now that the court has it, the rules for evidence and testimony are not determined by Shulchan Aruch. Stop the Holy Torah stuff. You are transgressing the halacha of אל תעשה אותה קרדום לחפור בה.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:

I am shocked at the number of posters here who still protect Weberman and still blame the victim. I pray that none of you has daughters, sisters or wives who could have been vulnerable. I am also thrilled that I am not part of your community because my community does not protect the molesters....we cherish our kinder more than life itself.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:

when you speak to any satmar person they will tell you that the girl is a "prutza", well, very good, what does a pious man do locked up with a "prutza" for 3 hours, one hundred times for three years?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Chaim! Says:

Stop talking like a fool!
In these type of cases there is usually never any physical evidence.
It all boils down to who the court believes to be truthful.
In this case the truth "was as clear as can be"!

There are other ways although not physical to prove guilt more substantially than just him against her.
1) You can have more than one accuser testify. I say testify bec the Daily news can quote a million accusers unless they testify in court it is not proof of guilt.
2) How about the camp counselor caught on tape admiting his guilt? Thats proof.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:45 PM bobgrant Says:

im sorry to say but i spoke to many attorneys today they all said its time to move away from the goldnina america there's no justice here , there's no land that trial uman being for 100 years for sex abuse or Freud , lets all move to our holy land before its to late

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:49 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #101  
Avi Says:

This is Not Justice!!!
This is a Lynch!!!

If this was a nonjew he would have gotten at most a few years never 103 or even more than 10, so Jewish Blood is cheap!!
Here in the usa court system!!

Im not sayin hes innocent, but 10 years an entire decade would be more than enough, 15 years already beyond enough, but 103!!!

A certain group of people would not let one of them to be treated this way and it wouldnt happen because they would be on the streets!!
Maybe its time the chevra in willi show their strenght!!
Because i got news for you
Tommorow it may be you or someone in your family who did something not kosher on their taxes or whatever and they will also get 30, 50 or even 100 years!!!
Because they can get away, because jewish blood is cheap!
This is clearly antisemetism cause no nonjew ever got close to this!!
Again he very well maybe guilty, but this not justice!!!

You hit the nail on the head it may be taxes,it may be paying cash and not reporting it to the iRS, it may be taken money from the goyishe government and using it . for different purposes. No justice and make sure the 2nd amendment is protected only resource. Oh one more question do you have anything to be afraid

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
commonsense99 Says:

So much for the Justice system, Weberman with no witnesses get 100 yrs and Moishe Turner who admitted having anal sex with a 14 year old over 7 times get 10 year probation, please explain that to me

"Moishe Turner who admitted having anal sex with a 14 year old over 7 times get 10 year probation, please explain that to me"

Different venue. St. Lawrence will not allow child molesters to be prosecuted under the Ruv's orders.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #95  
Anonymous Says:

shows you how the system is messed up, a killer of a child levi aron got 40 years, he did unspeakable things,

this guy, some off the derech girl that needs to blame someone for her goyishness (something no non hassidic jury would understand) made up a story and now she basically killed this man

"this guy, some off the derech girl that needs to blame someone for her goyishness (something no non hassidic jury would understand) made up a story and now she basically killed this man"

What about the other 10 women who spoke with the DA and had the same experiences? Are they goyim also and did they lie?

STOP PROTECTING HIM AND START PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:55 PM k9hara Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

My dear fellow, you left out one minor detail, according to the Holy Torah there needs to be witnesses and warnings prior to punishment!

You are OHHH SOOO WRONG!!

"According to the Holy Torah" if there were to be "to be witnesses and warnings" Weberman would have been killed by bais din, before nightfall. TODAY!

Bais din DID have the option of putting a person in jail who they felt were guilty but did not have "witnesses and warnings" as long as was necessary.

Had there been "to be witnesses and warnings", "According to the Holy Torah" Weberman might have been dead already.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
maysways18 Says:

Oh Nebech BDE
Hashem should help that this so called victim should do tshuvah , and admit the real truth and get this man out of jail asap.
However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence.

"However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence."

How about we send him to YOUR house if you don't believe in jail?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:58 PM FormerlyFrum Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

You need a history lesson on European Jewry if you think we should go back. And for that matter, i doubt you know the sentiment towards Jews there NOW

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 02:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

The Butcher of Kensington got only 40 years because the Kletzky family did NOT want a trial. Otherwise the Butcher would have received a life sentence.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:02 PM hulahoop Says:

Reply to #4  
bobgrant Says:

The bottom line is there was no evidence clear evidence and I'm just thinking what goes to the judges mind to be able to give somebody hundred and 13 years in prison with no feelings

I'm just thinking what goes through your mind to worry more about him than that of a little yiddishe neshama who was molested from the age of 12.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:02 PM Moone Says:

I don't think that such a sentence, based on she-say, will send the right message within.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:03 PM He got off, far too easy Says:

Reply to #28  
Liepa Says:

The judge used bad judgement! Murderers get far less than 103 years.
If in fact abuse occurred, than the punishment should fit the crime. Wouldn't 5 years have done that!

It's true that a Murderer only gets 25 years.

But a serial rapists is far worse than any murderer because a Murder can only kill his victim 1 time.

After a Murderer Kills his victim, the victim is then dead and can no longer be Killed a second time. It's not possible to kill any victim after he he is already dead and therefore the maximum number of "times" any murderer ever kills any 1 victim is never more than just 1 time.

! X Murder = 25 years

59 X Murder should = a sentence of 59 X 25 years

A Rapists who rapes his victim Kills his victim each time over and over again and therefore if he is convicted of doing it 59 times (59 counts) his sentence should have been 59 X 25 years = 1,475 years in Jail and him getting only 100 or so years is having him get off far too easy

Any inmate found guilty of sex crimes against children, is always given very special treatment by all fellow inmates in all prisons and so even 1 day is enough to serve justice and to have them get a taste of their own medicine

However justice has not yet been served against the leadership of his community who knew all about it, all along and continue to cover it up and be in denial even now!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:04 PM A Says:

Reply to #15  
toolee Says:

I am NOT a supporter of Mr Weberman or the Satmar community.
But this is a shame that a person gets punished because of "HERESAY".
Say what you want, it was only her word against his.
NO witnesses No evidence No DNA
N O T H I N G

Oy, please do us all a favor and look up the legal definition of "heresay" because you obviously do not know what it means.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:09 PM A Says:

Reply to #32  
berelw Says:

Im a victims advocate. any abuse shouldn't be tolerated...but 103 years in inhumain for anyone.. 5 year is will do just fine....

If you think that 5 years jail time is sufficient for the crime of sexually abusing a child for 5 years then you are no advocate of victims at all.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
My2Cents_ Says:

we got what we planted ... mosiach needs to come ... this is a travesty of justice
assuming he did it , does not get someone a LIFE sentence ... this reminds me of the wild wild west , when a Judge can not decipher what real justice should be ..
I hope all those that still believe in the Justice system will wake up and see why this is NOT the way to go ....
Yes Child abuse is extremely damaging and leave multiple scars forever on the child ... But if Murder gets you 25 . and probation ,. how does abuse get you 103 years ?
We live in the media age , both the Judge , DA , and the media , made a show of this trial , and so this is a very sad ending
having said all this, I still FAULT Mr Weberman for not taking a deal if he was offered one , the Chillul Hashem this has cause is HUGE .. and had he taken a deal ( even if innocent) he would have had a zechus for olem haba .. ( if he was truly innocent)
I wish all those involved that they should be able to heal and move on with a productive life
Hanistures Hashem El'kanei .. we believe that this was what he wanted and that when the light will shine once again on us , we will all see the Truth

we truly live in dark times

"Murder gets you 25 . and probation ,. how does abuse get you 103 years ?"

The answer is that Murder is only one crime (one count), in this case there were multiple crimes done over a period of 3 years. 103 sounds outrageous but given the amount of times he (probably) molested/abused her, its not terrible.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #128  
#24 Says:

The general philosophy of the "Obamas" is that successful people have to pay for their success by being punished for the suffering of the less fortunate. Rich people he claims have to pay more money so that drug using, teenage mothers, and bums or whatever can sit at home with their big screen TV, iphone, computer, Ipad and eat for free at successful people's expense. This singular girl who accused this man of abuse, whether true or not, is exactly like the above. This girl had problems (less fortunate) and decided to take it out on someone who helped people in the community (more fortunate). Even if he did do this crime, which is possible, the overzealousness to prosecute religious people like Rubaskin and this guy (not to equate them entirely) shows a pattern of abuse against successful religious individuals by the Justice System in America just like Obama does against rich or fortunate people. Even if this guy did what he was found guilty of, they are making an example of him with 100 years. He will certainly die before then. Instead of meting out justice they are stringing him up in public for all others to see who is in charge.

"Instead of meting out justice they are stringing him up in public for all others to see who is in charge."

He worked in a pants factory and chauffered the Ruv's car. These are credentials you choose for your children to get help? The DA did the right thing for ONCE and showed us all he will not tolerate abuse in our community! I for one, with 7 daughters, will be able to sleep better tonight knowing that no "counselor" who worked in a pants factory can ever abuse them.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:12 PM sechelyoshor Says:

I am sad that there are still frum yidden who think like you.

Have you read Yanky Horowitz' article that he posted yesterday? Check it out.

Enough with the self delusion! We have some rotten apples in our midst. And without us admitting it and dealing with them nothing will ever change.

We are no longer in the alter heim where everything is the fault of the evil decrees of the evil government and the evil locals and their pogroms. Climb out from under your rock and take notice of the terrible things we yidden are allowing to continue.

103 years or 20 years should not be the issue! The issue of the day is how can we make sure that nobody is ever abused again!!! You're too blind to think about that, aren't you?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:15 PM Lawyer Says:

There is plenty of nonsense here, most of which has already been responded to. The man was convicted after a fair trial and two witnesses. He is guilty, Period.

As to why did Levi Aron get 40 years for murder, while he got 103 year for abuse. Levi Aron was a sick individual, a loner on the margin of society. He gave into his sick fantasies, probably with little thought. He certainly deserves severe punishment, and 40 years is severe.

But Weberman is worse in two ways. First of all, he had multiple victims over a long period of time. This was not impulse crime.

Second, he is an important man, looked up to by the community. He thought that insulated him from being called to account for his crimes. That plus the tsnius squads and other communal pressure made it seem like he was thumbing his nose at the law. That attitude requires a harsher response -- no one, no matter how important, is going to treat young girls as their personal zonahs, and get away with it, even if you are a big macher looked up to by all the rebbes in Brooklyn. As the old saying goes, the bigger they are, the harder they fall, and no one can deny that Weberman was a lot bigger than Aron Levi.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:15 PM A Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

Mr. Weberman needed to take the plea deal. His attorney certainly should have guided him to do so! By going to trial, he gambled with his life and unfortunately lost.

He's an arrogant person and couldn't believe that he wouldn't be found innocent. That's what happens when people lead lives filled with lies and aren't stopped by anyone, they believe they can get away with anything.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:18 PM Kzler Says:

Reply to #128  
#24 Says:

The general philosophy of the "Obamas" is that successful people have to pay for their success by being punished for the suffering of the less fortunate. Rich people he claims have to pay more money so that drug using, teenage mothers, and bums or whatever can sit at home with their big screen TV, iphone, computer, Ipad and eat for free at successful people's expense. This singular girl who accused this man of abuse, whether true or not, is exactly like the above. This girl had problems (less fortunate) and decided to take it out on someone who helped people in the community (more fortunate). Even if he did do this crime, which is possible, the overzealousness to prosecute religious people like Rubaskin and this guy (not to equate them entirely) shows a pattern of abuse against successful religious individuals by the Justice System in America just like Obama does against rich or fortunate people. Even if this guy did what he was found guilty of, they are making an example of him with 100 years. He will certainly die before then. Instead of meting out justice they are stringing him up in public for all others to see who is in charge.

Where does Obama fit in your harangue?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:19 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #81  
Anonymous Says:

You never stole money ? Are you ready for an audit? Do you report all income? Huh??.?

You show the problem in some parts of the frum community. Is it your position that there is no frum person who is honest? Are you saying that every frum person could go to jail? You should think before you go back to the old adage of "I want to see your crook". So Mr. Anonymous, you have proven that you are either an anti-semite or a criminal. You can pick which, and report back

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:20 PM A Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

This will only cause more fear and coverups - I believe he is innocent and most of the community agrees - all this will do is cause people do mistrust goyim more and also not want to try to help otd kids. If there is such a thing as a chillul Hashem for a non-Jew this is it because this sentence will only cause more fear of goyim by our community.

If this is the type of help that you want to give OTD kids then by all means leave them alone, they'll be better off without the likes of a Weberman making their lives living nightmares.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:22 PM Lawyer Says:

Oh, and one more difference between Weberman and Levi Aron. Levi Aron pleaded guilty and spared his victim's family the pain of a trial. A small thing, but not nothing. Weberman put his victim through the pain of a trial. That is his right, but there is a price to pay for that, and he is now paying part of that price.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:22 PM A Says:

Reply to #51  
monishmo Says:

hynes has gotten so much pressure from activists that he wants to show them that hes not siding the community and poor weberman being the culpert. Even if he is guilty, the sentence is far too crazy!!

It wasn't Hynes that gave the sentence, it was the judge, so your comments about pressure from activists has no meaning here.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:24 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

Good bye Alterg. You can continue to look at the internet and even write VIN from Europe. I suggest Antwerp. You can send your sons and daughters to the same school and talk to a kindred spirit about how lovely Iran is in the Springtime.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:32 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #43  
Liepa Says:

A judge on drugs!

Liepa in denial. For all my other friends if someone is convicted of murder he/she receives a sentence of a number of years to life. That person could spend the rest of his life in prison. Here the judge could not add up "to life". He decided to make it life anyway by adding up all the incidents he was convicted of-a perfectly legal alternative.. To those who ask if he can get out earlier....only if his conviction is reversed on appeal. To those who talk about Torah law. Come back when the moschiach appears. Until than we have secular law, and not warning by witnesses required.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:37 PM curious Says:

Reply to #18  
maysways18 Says:

Oh Nebech BDE
Hashem should help that this so called victim should do tshuvah , and admit the real truth and get this man out of jail asap.
However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence.

Jail is something beisdin often used. When they did not have eidim to kill they used indirect methods which involved jails. That said, I think there was not enough proof in this case and the sentence was excessive.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:40 PM Insider Says:

The discussion here is at times extremely wise and intelligent. At other times, it is juvinile.
Mr. Weberman, if he is to be called "Mr.", will be able to get out of jail, with good behavior, after 50% of his sentence, which 51.5 years. He will be eligible for "work-release" on good behavior after 25.75 years, which means he could be out and visit the Satmat shtiebel at the age of 79.75 years, presuming that jail psychologists would agree that he is no longer a danger at that time and age.
He was offered a 5 year sentence, but he turned it down out of hand. That would have meant that he could of been back on the streets in 1.25 years (13 months).
I really hope the wise men of chelm in Williamsburg learn a lesson from this.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:46 PM Sandusky and Weberman Says:

Have learned anything from the Sandusky (child sex abuse) Trial?

If we learned anything, we see the righting on the wall. Sandusky was just as arrogant as Weberman and just as much in Denial even after he was convicted

But what about upper management of the educational institution where Sandusky worked?

At least the Sandusky upper management got it right, at least afterwords, and threw out all upper management personal who were guilty of covering up for Sandusky

Willi upper management of the school and even their rebbes haven't learned yet from the Sandusky Trial aftermath

Mode Veozev Yeruchem

If someone does Teshuva, Hashem accepts his Teshuva

But for those in the Weberman Parsha who are all still in Denial to this very moment? Some people just never learn..

If the Willi leadership doesn't have an immediate shakeup of all upper management who allowed this to have happened and who even fundraised for a Molester and still continue in this venue to this day?

103 years is still not enough because they STILL don't get it, even now!

The next step now, is the civil trial to go after all those who covered up for him then and are still in denial even now

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:47 PM Insider Says:

Is the victim a granddaughter of the Ratzferter Rebbe who lived in South America and then came to Williamsburg.? Was her 15 year old brother (or uncle) shot to death by an anti-Semite at the Satmar Camp up in the Catskills?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:48 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #102  
qazxc Says:

You wouldn't write such foolishness if c"v it were your daughter or sister.

Were it your son, brother or father would you also say 103 years is fair. If your answer is yes, you need your head examined!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:50 PM Aryeh Says:

Justice was not served by this. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Terrorists get less time, and there were no witnesses to the accused crimes.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:51 PM commonsense99 Says:

Reply to #147  
Anonymous Says:

"Moishe Turner who admitted having anal sex with a 14 year old over 7 times get 10 year probation, please explain that to me"

Different venue. St. Lawrence will not allow child molesters to be prosecuted under the Ruv's orders.

St Lawrence is the Town Supervisor, FYI there are four other town in Rockland, the DA is not even from Ramapo. The Town of Ramapo supervisor has the same input on the prosocution as does the Mayor of Piermont or The Superindent of Highway for the Town of Stony Point abolosluty ZERO. Facts are Weberman got railroaded to satisfty the blood lust of the lynch mob and Moishe Turner who molested my classmate some 30 years ago and never stopped and ADMITTED to having anal sex 7 times in three month with a 14 year old walks. Please dont feed me the garbage about St lawrence he has nothing to do with this

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 03:57 PM Anonymous Says:

only ONE moshiach and ALL problems will be gone!!!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:01 PM A Voice of Reason Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Without arguing about the merits of your position, eyewitness testimony about events witnessed personally is not hearsay. It's not even circumstantial. It's direct evidence, further corroberated by the testimony of the mental health professional which is either not hearsay or is admissible under a hearsay exception.

Regarding the merits of what you say, it does seem a little excessive (I think 25 years would be more fitting) but it's important to send a clear message that this type of vile behavior will not be tolerated in any community. Despite what people think, the majority of cases do not contain dna evidence, witnesses or video recordings. It's because of the proliferation of television shows like CSI that people erroneously believe the prosecution should always be able to produce such damning evidence. The fact finder must do the best job it can in spite of these deficiencies and in this case they found him guilty. The judge was well within his discretion considering the number of counts they found him guilty of.

The DA wanted to send a message to the Jewish community, and Mr. Weberman is the messenger that was designated to carry the message.

However, when the system leaves the realm of enforcing justice and moves to sending messages and to vengeance (emotion vs. intelligence) ipso facto, it is not justice.

Therefore, regardless of his guilt (and I do believe his guilt is highly probable) the excessive nature of this sentence will send a very strong message to the community, but NOT the one the DA envisioned.

The message that the Hasidic community (already suspicious of the outside world given their history) undoubtedly heard, loud and clear is this:

-There is a DOUBLE standard when it comes to Hasidim.
-Hasidim should never ever collaborate or work with the authorities, because when it comes to Hasidic Jews, they will not only throw the book at you, they will throw the whole damn legal library at you.
-Hasidim can never ever trust the system again.

The tragedy is that the excessive nature of the sentence, will NOT serve the cause of preventing abuse or punishing abusers, it will force the issue under the rug. And that is the greatest shame of all.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:05 PM GimmeNiz Says:

Reply to #36  
Sherree Says:

Senseless, why. As long as he is in jail, every child on the street is safe!!!
Who gains? Every child he can't touch gains, every child or woman he did touch, no longer has to fear bumping into him on the street ever again and can start to get on with their lives putting him in their past and no longer in their present.

Why should he get a less harsh sentence than he meted out to his victims? They live with what he did to them every single day. Why should he deserve less?

WE did NOT need to hear testimony from any other victim. He molested THIS victim for a period of 3 years. That is 4 hours a day, 3 times a week for 3 years. How many times did he touch her in a 4 hour period? How many ways did he touch her in a 4 hour period? Can you even imagine how much she suffered or what her nightmares entailed? YOU do the math. Each count, 59, comes with its own sentence and that is what he got. A man who murders one person gets sentenced for one crime. He was convicted on 59 crimes, do not have rachmonus.

Thank you! Finally a voice of reason and logic.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #149  
k9hara Says:

You are OHHH SOOO WRONG!!

"According to the Holy Torah" if there were to be "to be witnesses and warnings" Weberman would have been killed by bais din, before nightfall. TODAY!

Bais din DID have the option of putting a person in jail who they felt were guilty but did not have "witnesses and warnings" as long as was necessary.

Had there been "to be witnesses and warnings", "According to the Holy Torah" Weberman might have been dead already.

The Sanhedrin rarely killed anyone, so haak nisht in kop!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #138  
ShalomCon Says:

"therefore 5 - 7 years should suffice."

And then what? Return him back to his dead-bolted office to mess around with other teenage girls? Are you ready to take that chance just because no one was killed?
Yes I must be completely "in......." - because I think that child molesters, especially those who prey on victims who are taught a code of silence in their home, school and community are a cancer on our society and should be permanently removed. Studies have shown time and again that child molesters seldom are rehabilitated and their rate of recidivism is extremely high once they're out of jail; even into their senior years.

Then he goes on probation like all other ex-cons once they leave the prison system!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:19 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #110  
Chaim! Says:

“ he should have plea bargained to first degree murder ”

He should have done lots of things "But his arrogant Chutzpa pride and false hope he got from his community" simply didn't allow him to be realistic.

I know for a fact that the Askonim & Rabbanim did hear from other victims shortly after his arrest and still did nothing about it (they told them all "we know about it but we don't feel he belongs in jail, of coarse not, the victim wasn't their child!)

If they really cared for this man they should have sat down with him and convinced him to take/negotiate a plea!

"I know for a fact that [...] " is the cheapest shot possible, invariably employed by people who make up their own "facts." Unless and until you convincingly explain just how you happen to know so well what "Askonim & Rabbanim" heard from "other victims" and what they responded, no one should believe you.

I have no opinion on the case itself, having not watched the trial and not having the benefit of Chaim's "factual" knowledge.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:30 PM rebeli Says:

Reply to #161  
Lawyer Says:

There is plenty of nonsense here, most of which has already been responded to. The man was convicted after a fair trial and two witnesses. He is guilty, Period.

As to why did Levi Aron get 40 years for murder, while he got 103 year for abuse. Levi Aron was a sick individual, a loner on the margin of society. He gave into his sick fantasies, probably with little thought. He certainly deserves severe punishment, and 40 years is severe.

But Weberman is worse in two ways. First of all, he had multiple victims over a long period of time. This was not impulse crime.

Second, he is an important man, looked up to by the community. He thought that insulated him from being called to account for his crimes. That plus the tsnius squads and other communal pressure made it seem like he was thumbing his nose at the law. That attitude requires a harsher response -- no one, no matter how important, is going to treat young girls as their personal zonahs, and get away with it, even if you are a big macher looked up to by all the rebbes in Brooklyn. As the old saying goes, the bigger they are, the harder they fall, and no one can deny that Weberman was a lot bigger than Aron Levi.

'First of all, he had multiple victims over a long period of time'

You are completely WRONG, there were'nt any multiple victims.
His conviction is based upon one victim's accusation!

At least get your facts right!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #155  
He got off, far too easy Says:

It's true that a Murderer only gets 25 years.

But a serial rapists is far worse than any murderer because a Murder can only kill his victim 1 time.

After a Murderer Kills his victim, the victim is then dead and can no longer be Killed a second time. It's not possible to kill any victim after he he is already dead and therefore the maximum number of "times" any murderer ever kills any 1 victim is never more than just 1 time.

! X Murder = 25 years

59 X Murder should = a sentence of 59 X 25 years

A Rapists who rapes his victim Kills his victim each time over and over again and therefore if he is convicted of doing it 59 times (59 counts) his sentence should have been 59 X 25 years = 1,475 years in Jail and him getting only 100 or so years is having him get off far too easy

Any inmate found guilty of sex crimes against children, is always given very special treatment by all fellow inmates in all prisons and so even 1 day is enough to serve justice and to have them get a taste of their own medicine

However justice has not yet been served against the leadership of his community who knew all about it, all along and continue to cover it up and be in denial even now!

You can't kill a person 59 times. Dumb anaolgy!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:43 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #169  
clear-thinker Says:

Liepa in denial. For all my other friends if someone is convicted of murder he/she receives a sentence of a number of years to life. That person could spend the rest of his life in prison. Here the judge could not add up "to life". He decided to make it life anyway by adding up all the incidents he was convicted of-a perfectly legal alternative.. To those who ask if he can get out earlier....only if his conviction is reversed on appeal. To those who talk about Torah law. Come back when the moschiach appears. Until than we have secular law, and not warning by witnesses required.

You still haven't explained why he deserves 103 years when murders and rapists don't get even clost to that amount.
Let me ask you, if this person was your brother, father or son would youi also agree that this is a fair jail sentence. 103 years is preposterous beyond words.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:53 PM haltkup Says:

Reply to #11  
Al Tigeu Bimbeshichai Says:

It sends a strong message to the community he come from that not only will such predators pay dearly but any leadership which continues to cover it up and to be in denial that it's widespread in the community, will meat the same fate.

The Pasuk "Al Tigeu Bimeshichai" is warning statement form G-d, or else pay the price.

The price to pay is very high: 1 year for each hair cut off Reb Pinye's beard.

how is this possible zero evidence??? ,whomever was involved in his conviction will have a quick demise and do 103 years in hell.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:55 PM Yossel Says:

All you self-proclaimed legal experts who cry "Levi Aron got 40 years, " or "Murderers only get 25 years" have no idea what you're talking about. The sentences are 25 (or 40) to LIFE. The odds of parole for a murderer like Aron are very slim. NYS has some murderers in prison since the early 60s who still haven't been paroled. It's far from being an automatic thing.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:57 PM Lawyer Says:

Reply to #183  
rebeli Says:

'First of all, he had multiple victims over a long period of time'

You are completely WRONG, there were'nt any multiple victims.
His conviction is based upon one victim's accusation!

At least get your facts right!

His conviction was for one victim, but at sentencing the judge can take other acts into account. They don't even have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt -- only more likely than not.

(Not to mention other crimes, like charity embezzlement. Anyone who gave to one of those tsesdkos is also a victim.)

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 04:59 PM Lawyer Says:

Reply to #185  
Liepa Says:

You still haven't explained why he deserves 103 years when murders and rapists don't get even clost to that amount.
Let me ask you, if this person was your brother, father or son would youi also agree that this is a fair jail sentence. 103 years is preposterous beyond words.

Yes, I have. Look at posts 161 and 169. The judge here was sending a message to anyone who thinks they are too important to be prosecuted.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:05 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #20  
Sherree Says:

B"H, it is only because the victim was as brave as Dovid Hamelech standing up to Goliath, and that she had the support of so many people who believed her and were willing to stand up for her. She found her strength not only because of what he did to her but because of what he did to countless others and her fear of what he would continue to do if she didn't come forward. She is a hero and he will never again be able to hurt another child because of her bravery. Even though her community harassed and threatened her and her family, she stood up in the face of adversity and fought for what was yasher! Kol Hakovod to this brave neshoma.

We all need to learn a lesson here. Kol Yisroel areivim zeh l'zeh. If we don't stand up and protect our children from evil, no one else will! If we don't support those who do, we put our own children at risk. Stop being blind sided, use the common sense Hashem gave you and protect the children he gifted into your care. If you don't you will have to answer to HIM after 120. You davened to Hashem for children, don't laugh in his face when it comes to caring for them, step up to the plate.

"Kol Yisroel areivim, it sounds like you are jewish and should know that if any crime was commited in the city the Torah takes the side of the men, she could have screramed etc. only if it was on a field or woods is the victim assumed innocent. In this case with no proof i dont get your point "standing up to Goliath" She didnt say a thing. At any rate guilty or not 100 Years? Since i have never mert a frum Sheere only Malky,Suri,Rachel,Gitty,Toby etc i doubt you are Frumm.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:10 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #174  
Liepa Says:

Were it your son, brother or father would you also say 103 years is fair. If your answer is yes, you need your head examined!

This as silly an anology as the previous if it were your sister. The whole idea is to have people who don't know the victim nor the defendant. If you know the people you can't be fair. The comments which say the Weberman is a wonderful person prove that. A person does not act the same way with victims as with friends. Was Weberman guilty? The jury convicted him. Is 103 preposterous? Possibly, but the judge was saying that his acts were tantamount to murder, and he should get a life sentence. This is how he gets it.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #185  
Liepa Says:

You still haven't explained why he deserves 103 years when murders and rapists don't get even clost to that amount.
Let me ask you, if this person was your brother, father or son would youi also agree that this is a fair jail sentence. 103 years is preposterous beyond words.

I bet you think your proposed idea is brilliant.
1. What if it were your mother, daughter, sister who was so brutally molested over and over again for days and weeks and years.
2. If my father was a monster I would have written him off a long time ago. And if you for one second believe his wife had no idea he was up to no good you might want to check that your brain cells are not slowly dying off.

59 counts is less than 2 years per count. Anyone who would have murdered 59 people, that is 59 counts of murder would have gotten life in prison or death where allowed. He got off easy if you ask me.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:23 PM מן הרעה יצמיח הטוב Says:

ואפשר שכך עשה ה' שהושפט יתן 103 שנה שמזה יראה בפירוש שנאת ישראל מהשופט ועל ידי זה אפשר להתחיל המשפט מחדש כי מאן ששומע מהפסק בודאי יאמר זה אינו עולה על הדעת ובודאי הוא שונא ישראל, וישראל כשרים הם ובודאי לא עשה איש ישראל נבלה בישראל, ויש לנו תורה שאומר שצריכים עדות וכל זמן שהבתולה לא הביא עדות ואנו הולכים בדרך התורה אפשר לבטל הגזר דין, אני איש יהודי הדר בבארא פארק ואני לא שמע מעולם מאיש הנ"ל אך יש לנו אהבת ישראל וצער לי מאוד לשמוע בשורה רעה כזה. אבל ה' לא יטוש את עמו, חזק ואמץ, עס וואט נאך קומען די ישועה לנו ולכל ישראל הנתונים בצרה ובשביה המקום ירחם אותנו ושלח לנו את המלך המשיח וישפוט את הגוים בכפליים על אכזריות על כלל ישראל. חזק חזק ונתחזק אפילו אם רואים רק חושך, מן החושך יצמיח הישועה.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #81  
Anonymous Says:

You never stole money ? Are you ready for an audit? Do you report all income? Huh??.?

I'm over 70 now. Never stole since a young teenager, and that was pennies. And yes, all my income is reported. Why should I be afraid of an audit if I do the right thing. Don't you think that YOU should do the right thing? Is what I am saying against Torah?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:32 PM Proud2BeAJew Says:

One thing you all forget: Everything is Min HaShamayim. This was decreed by Hashem himself.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:34 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #178  
A Voice of Reason Says:

The DA wanted to send a message to the Jewish community, and Mr. Weberman is the messenger that was designated to carry the message.

However, when the system leaves the realm of enforcing justice and moves to sending messages and to vengeance (emotion vs. intelligence) ipso facto, it is not justice.

Therefore, regardless of his guilt (and I do believe his guilt is highly probable) the excessive nature of this sentence will send a very strong message to the community, but NOT the one the DA envisioned.

The message that the Hasidic community (already suspicious of the outside world given their history) undoubtedly heard, loud and clear is this:

-There is a DOUBLE standard when it comes to Hasidim.
-Hasidim should never ever collaborate or work with the authorities, because when it comes to Hasidic Jews, they will not only throw the book at you, they will throw the whole damn legal library at you.
-Hasidim can never ever trust the system again.

The tragedy is that the excessive nature of the sentence, will NOT serve the cause of preventing abuse or punishing abusers, it will force the issue under the rug. And that is the greatest shame of all.

What are you talking about this has been under the rug for the past 40 years are you for real,shame on you you still havent learned from the past.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #185  
Liepa Says:

You still haven't explained why he deserves 103 years when murders and rapists don't get even clost to that amount.
Let me ask you, if this person was your brother, father or son would youi also agree that this is a fair jail sentence. 103 years is preposterous beyond words.

"103 years is preposterous beyond words"

It will send a message to all the other abusers to stop now or they will have the same sentence. PLUS, there were at least ten other victims who did not testify, but had their experiences written down so if you take these ten into account, 103 years is on target.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:39 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #149  
k9hara Says:

You are OHHH SOOO WRONG!!

"According to the Holy Torah" if there were to be "to be witnesses and warnings" Weberman would have been killed by bais din, before nightfall. TODAY!

Bais din DID have the option of putting a person in jail who they felt were guilty but did not have "witnesses and warnings" as long as was necessary.

Had there been "to be witnesses and warnings", "According to the Holy Torah" Weberman might have been dead already.

You are much more wrong than Anon#109 could ever be. Yes, if there are witnesses and there was warning, the beis din could indeed put the accused to death ONLY for the crimes that are chayiv misa.Getting involved with an underage unmarried girl, however repugnant, is not a crime which is chayiv misa.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:50 PM Sam Says:

He got 100 years because his friends fought (illegally and disrespectfully) the whole justice system.

The same reason SMR got 27 years, because even after he got caught he showed a lot of disrespect for the justice system.

That's how the justice system operates, you may defend yourself but if you show disrespect (especially if you illegally fight them) you will get 100 years for jaywalking.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 05:52 PM mendel Says:

Reply to #28  
Liepa Says:

The judge used bad judgement! Murderers get far less than 103 years.
If in fact abuse occurred, than the punishment should fit the crime. Wouldn't 5 years have done that!

i think went so far due to the distance satmer and r,a went, satmer made a big shtink, so the Judge made a biger one

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:01 PM mendel Says:

The DA wanted to send a message to the Jewish community, and Mr. Weberman is the messenger that was designated to carry the message.

might it Just be possible that H'K'B'H wanted to send a message to the chassidishe oilem, to stop abusing ???????

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:20 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #191  
clear-thinker Says:

This as silly an anology as the previous if it were your sister. The whole idea is to have people who don't know the victim nor the defendant. If you know the people you can't be fair. The comments which say the Weberman is a wonderful person prove that. A person does not act the same way with victims as with friends. Was Weberman guilty? The jury convicted him. Is 103 preposterous? Possibly, but the judge was saying that his acts were tantamount to murder, and he should get a life sentence. This is how he gets it.

When was the last time a judge sentenced a murderer to 103 years, pray tell?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #201  
mendel Says:

The DA wanted to send a message to the Jewish community, and Mr. Weberman is the messenger that was designated to carry the message.

might it Just be possible that H'K'B'H wanted to send a message to the chassidishe oilem, to stop abusing ???????

so are all chasidem now Abusers ?

the DA lost because now no one would come forward in cases Yes people will report it to the rabunim and they will use it to threaten the abuser of informing him but no one will report it if you give life sentences, this is insane its to much

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:32 PM ShlomoH Says:

103 YEARS???? I mean 100 years I could understand, but why make the man sit the additional 3 years? Shouldn's a full century be enough? I'm baffled by our court system.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:32 PM Arrogance Says:

Reply to #195  
Proud2BeAJew Says:

One thing you all forget: Everything is Min HaShamayim. This was decreed by Hashem himself.

When someone admits that he did wrong and shows the judge that he is sorry, he can get a minimal sentence.

The Opposite takes place at sentencing when someone shows extreme arrogance and that he is in denial, where then the judge throws the book at him with a maximum sentence to the max that the law allows.

Rabashkin got a maximum sentence because of his extreme arrogance and for him being in denial and refusal to admit and apologize and Weberman got what he got, for the precise same reason.

But to top it off, Weberman has the entire Willi community throwing millions of dollars at a fundraiser to support this molester and even his rebbe was blaming the victim instead of blaming the rapist so the judge can't throw his rebbe in jail nor can he throw all the Willi $ donors who supported this molester with their r $'s - to throw them all in to jail, even though they all deserve it even more than the rapist himself, because they EMPOWERED him to do it via their support and denial.

The only thing the judge can do here is to "throw the book at him" with a maximum sentence, and hope that all of Willi will wake up and smell the coffee, before it's too late for them too.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:37 PM CSLMoish Says:

So the new justice system in the great USA anyone with a beard gets 100 years plus. Otherwise max sentence is 15 years or so for murder and etc.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:45 PM Yoel Says:

Reply to #206  
CSLMoish Says:

So the new justice system in the great USA anyone with a beard gets 100 years plus. Otherwise max sentence is 15 years or so for murder and etc.

Yes, if we think and act like we are better, than we should be held to a higher standard.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:57 PM TexasJew Says:

We as Jews should demand upper management be removed from the school. I couldn't care less if they are tried and convicted but they should show a little remorse and step down. Only then will WE see that they are concerned about the future of their children.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 06:59 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Reply to #46  
think Says:

U should be embarrassed of ur self,
Do u know the facts, or ur also a drop out that loves to bash Jews and satmar...

I know the facts. Weberman committed horrible crimes against a little girl for several years while charging her parents thousands of dollars for the privilege. She didn't "come forward" in a "he said-she said". A real counselor - not a Haredi fraud - reported the crimes to the police as was her duty under the Law. The victim underwent days of brutal cross-examination. Her story held up. Weberman couldn't even keep his rehearsed lies straight.

The Tallitban did what it always does. It threatened and blackmailed the family, trashed the reputation of the victim, bribed, coerced and interfered with witnesses and in this case tried to force the victim and her boyfriend into exile.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 07:01 PM YiddisheKup Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

Nebech, R"L Leiby is no longer living. This victim (along with the others) has to relive his crime every day, for the rest of their lives. If this had happened to your child chalilah v'chas you wouldnt think 103 is enough!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 07:40 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #178  
A Voice of Reason Says:

The DA wanted to send a message to the Jewish community, and Mr. Weberman is the messenger that was designated to carry the message.

However, when the system leaves the realm of enforcing justice and moves to sending messages and to vengeance (emotion vs. intelligence) ipso facto, it is not justice.

Therefore, regardless of his guilt (and I do believe his guilt is highly probable) the excessive nature of this sentence will send a very strong message to the community, but NOT the one the DA envisioned.

The message that the Hasidic community (already suspicious of the outside world given their history) undoubtedly heard, loud and clear is this:

-There is a DOUBLE standard when it comes to Hasidim.
-Hasidim should never ever collaborate or work with the authorities, because when it comes to Hasidic Jews, they will not only throw the book at you, they will throw the whole damn legal library at you.
-Hasidim can never ever trust the system again.

The tragedy is that the excessive nature of the sentence, will NOT serve the cause of preventing abuse or punishing abusers, it will force the issue under the rug. And that is the greatest shame of all.

from your rant it seems you do agree that there are chasidic abusers and this will force the issue under the rug

at least you acknowledge ther eis a problem of abuse

how many of these abusers have been brought to trial say in the last 15 years?
how many victims of these abusers to whom you allude have been helped by the chasidic community?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 07:41 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #192  
Anonymous Says:

I bet you think your proposed idea is brilliant.
1. What if it were your mother, daughter, sister who was so brutally molested over and over again for days and weeks and years.
2. If my father was a monster I would have written him off a long time ago. And if you for one second believe his wife had no idea he was up to no good you might want to check that your brain cells are not slowly dying off.

59 counts is less than 2 years per count. Anyone who would have murdered 59 people, that is 59 counts of murder would have gotten life in prison or death where allowed. He got off easy if you ask me.

'Al tidon es chvarachu ad s'htagia limkoimoi' Enough said!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 07:49 PM Yossel Says:

Reply to #206  
CSLMoish Says:

So the new justice system in the great USA anyone with a beard gets 100 years plus. Otherwise max sentence is 15 years or so for murder and etc.

Nice paranoid fantasy on your part. Kolko and Lanner didn't get 100 year sentences. Murderers certainly get far more then 15.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 08:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #174  
Liepa Says:

Were it your son, brother or father would you also say 103 years is fair. If your answer is yes, you need your head examined!

Sorry all your relatives appear to be criminals, Liepa. But what difference should it make if the defendant is a relative of yours?

When you become a judge, you can setnce under the law however you like. This judge did, and if he didn't have a right to do it under the law, he couldn't have.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 08:53 PM CSLMoish Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

This will only cause more fear and coverups - I believe he is innocent and most of the community agrees - all this will do is cause people do mistrust goyim more and also not want to try to help otd kids. If there is such a thing as a chillul Hashem for a non-Jew this is it because this sentence will only cause more fear of goyim by our community.

Right on. Another reason not to report abusers.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 08:58 PM c Says:

Reply to #203  
Anonymous Says:

so are all chasidem now Abusers ?

the DA lost because now no one would come forward in cases Yes people will report it to the rabunim and they will use it to threaten the abuser of informing him but no one will report it if you give life sentences, this is insane its to much

People with seichel understand that this was an exceptional case. The man shos no remorse, he denies his crimes, witnesses were intimidated, the family threatened, the court system maligned. The justice was basically challenged with a war and guess who won.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 09:09 PM צריכים קצת שכל Says:

Reply to #193  
מן הרעה יצמיח הטוב Says:

ואפשר שכך עשה ה' שהושפט יתן 103 שנה שמזה יראה בפירוש שנאת ישראל מהשופט ועל ידי זה אפשר להתחיל המשפט מחדש כי מאן ששומע מהפסק בודאי יאמר זה אינו עולה על הדעת ובודאי הוא שונא ישראל, וישראל כשרים הם ובודאי לא עשה איש ישראל נבלה בישראל, ויש לנו תורה שאומר שצריכים עדות וכל זמן שהבתולה לא הביא עדות ואנו הולכים בדרך התורה אפשר לבטל הגזר דין, אני איש יהודי הדר בבארא פארק ואני לא שמע מעולם מאיש הנ"ל אך יש לנו אהבת ישראל וצער לי מאוד לשמוע בשורה רעה כזה. אבל ה' לא יטוש את עמו, חזק ואמץ, עס וואט נאך קומען די ישועה לנו ולכל ישראל הנתונים בצרה ובשביה המקום ירחם אותנו ושלח לנו את המלך המשיח וישפוט את הגוים בכפליים על אכזריות על כלל ישראל. חזק חזק ונתחזק אפילו אם רואים רק חושך, מן החושך יצמיח הישועה.

גם אתה מנסה לחפור בקרדום שלא כדין. לא איכפת לאף אחד כמה אתה מרגיש על האיש הנאשם וגם לא על משפחתו. אבל זה שברצונך להביא דין מעוקל לעולם בטענת שקר של "דרך התורה" הוא יותר גרוע מהאשמה שלו. נניח שבשורה של 103 שנים בכלא הוא דבר מוזר, אבל מדברים על מי שחטא בעון רציחה שלא נגמר במיתת הגוף ונמשך הצער לזמן ארוך. אבל להצריך עדות וכו' כמו בבית דין הוא דבר רחוק מן השכל, ואין לבית המשפט רק להשתמש בדינים של המדינה ולא בשלחן ערוך. הגיע הזמן שיהודי יהי' השומר מצות ולא בית המשפט המדיני.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 09:15 PM Anonymous Says:

After reading over 200 postings on this sentence, its rare to conclude that most normal yidden, who ordinarily would not feel any joy with such a sentence for a fellow yid are in this case actually happy to see the outcome knowing that it likely become a deterent to such behavior by at least some other perverts.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 09:27 PM Sad... Says:

it's sad lchol hadeas


I'm grateful I don't have to be in judges seat


I have a family members that was abused by a rabbi too (It's not just satmar rabbi's), he is now a drug addict, sex addict, alcholic, vchul


So I'm a נוגע בדבר hard for me to give a objective shita


But just to comment of the bat, a murderer usually has one victim, a predator has an average of 50-150 victims.


Moreover a predator often creates more predator...


I'm not certified to opine.....


All i can do is scream.............

Oh BTW my friend that works in an office in Monsey where his aid said her sister is a weberman's victim and she knows many more

He's still caught in the Web MAN

May G-d help him out

Or the spiders will eat him!!

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 09:44 PM BaruchBendit Says:

Reply to #2  
Booky Says:

OMG. does he still have chances for less years? what a shame... No evidence at all... Corrupted system... This is America 2013! SHAME!!!

You don't like it?

Move back to Vienna or Budapest.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
My2Cents_ Says:

we got what we planted ... mosiach needs to come ... this is a travesty of justice
assuming he did it , does not get someone a LIFE sentence ... this reminds me of the wild wild west , when a Judge can not decipher what real justice should be ..
I hope all those that still believe in the Justice system will wake up and see why this is NOT the way to go ....
Yes Child abuse is extremely damaging and leave multiple scars forever on the child ... But if Murder gets you 25 . and probation ,. how does abuse get you 103 years ?
We live in the media age , both the Judge , DA , and the media , made a show of this trial , and so this is a very sad ending
having said all this, I still FAULT Mr Weberman for not taking a deal if he was offered one , the Chillul Hashem this has cause is HUGE .. and had he taken a deal ( even if innocent) he would have had a zechus for olem haba .. ( if he was truly innocent)
I wish all those involved that they should be able to heal and move on with a productive life
Hanistures Hashem El'kanei .. we believe that this was what he wanted and that when the light will shine once again on us , we will all see the Truth

we truly live in dark times

Oh, so when Moshiach comes child molestation will be permitted in the Satmar community?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 10:32 PM Voice of Reason Says:

Reply to #211  
Robert Says:

from your rant it seems you do agree that there are chasidic abusers and this will force the issue under the rug

at least you acknowledge ther eis a problem of abuse

how many of these abusers have been brought to trial say in the last 15 years?
how many victims of these abusers to whom you allude have been helped by the chasidic community?

I don't know. I think all abusers have to be outed and dealt with by the law, not the community. Abuse is terrible cancer that must be eradicated. It is a violation of everything that is Jewish and everything that is Torah.
However, I feel that sentences like 103 years, which, by all accounts was meted out more for the message than for justice, will backfire and will make the community clamp down, because of the sheer unevenness in the system, especially when violent rapists and murderers do not get these sentences.
Hasidim view the outside world with great suspicion, due to their holocaust history; this sentence only re-inforces the fear and will make prosecuting molesters all the more difficult.
I sincerely hope that I am wrong about this.

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 10:33 PM Voice of Reason Says:

Reply to #201  
mendel Says:

The DA wanted to send a message to the Jewish community, and Mr. Weberman is the messenger that was designated to carry the message.

might it Just be possible that H'K'B'H wanted to send a message to the chassidishe oilem, to stop abusing ???????

What do you mean by that?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 10:43 PM Hotveggie Says:

To all those who believe that mr. Weberman is innocent. what would you say if the victim was your wife or daughter, Would you still give him the benefit of the doubt. ?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #219  
Sad... Says:

it's sad lchol hadeas


I'm grateful I don't have to be in judges seat


I have a family members that was abused by a rabbi too (It's not just satmar rabbi's), he is now a drug addict, sex addict, alcholic, vchul


So I'm a נוגע בדבר hard for me to give a objective shita


But just to comment of the bat, a murderer usually has one victim, a predator has an average of 50-150 victims.


Moreover a predator often creates more predator...


I'm not certified to opine.....


All i can do is scream.............

Oh BTW my friend that works in an office in Monsey where his aid said her sister is a weberman's victim and she knows many more

He's still caught in the Web MAN

May G-d help him out

Or the spiders will eat him!!

"Oh BTW my friend that works in an office in Monsey where his aid said her sister is a weberman's victim and she knows many more"

I know many more also in Monsey. I wonder if they are the same girls your friend knows? So far, 10 came forward but did not testify, but those 10 are from Brooklyn. I wonder how many are from Rockland????????

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:

To all judges out there : remember, remember, remember, still not 1 drop of evidence, how do you convict a man who came into contact with many many many girls over the years and yet not 1 other person came forward. '' innocent till proven guilty '' applies to everyone. '' proven guilty '' where is the proof? cause she (the looser) said?

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 Jan 22, 2013 at 11:57 PM mytake Says:

Reply to #3  
GevalDigeh Says:

Oy veyyy nebech. 7 years would be enough for him.

And you know that exactly HOW?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 12:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Sherree Says:

Senseless, why. As long as he is in jail, every child on the street is safe!!!
Who gains? Every child he can't touch gains, every child or woman he did touch, no longer has to fear bumping into him on the street ever again and can start to get on with their lives putting him in their past and no longer in their present.

Why should he get a less harsh sentence than he meted out to his victims? They live with what he did to them every single day. Why should he deserve less?

WE did NOT need to hear testimony from any other victim. He molested THIS victim for a period of 3 years. That is 4 hours a day, 3 times a week for 3 years. How many times did he touch her in a 4 hour period? How many ways did he touch her in a 4 hour period? Can you even imagine how much she suffered or what her nightmares entailed? YOU do the math. Each count, 59, comes with its own sentence and that is what he got. A man who murders one person gets sentenced for one crime. He was convicted on 59 crimes, do not have rachmonus.

And she was a little CHILD - Rachmunis yidden, where is your Rachmunis!!!? A little 12 year old, 13 year old, 14 year old CHILD!!!!

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 12:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #143  
Anonymous Says:

when you speak to any satmar person they will tell you that the girl is a "prutza", well, very good, what does a pious man do locked up with a "prutza" for 3 hours, one hundred times for three years?

ah.... the MILLION DOLLAR Question!!

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 12:51 AM am_zvi Says:

Reply to #14  
bubii Says:

Nebeh what a tragedy for all involved .

if you're such a "bahal rachmunis" is go help people on the street and stop having rachmunis on someone that is already in jail for his life, than you'll realize how a BIG "bahal rachmunis" you're.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 01:19 AM goldenheart Says:

was actually in court watching the trial instead of reading the news in a tabloid paper like the NY Post or the honorable daily news who would be more then happy to take every hasidic jew and send them away in the camps where the American government (the justice example for the world) held innocent American citizens for the one and only sin of haveing a grand father/mother from japan durning world war 2.

So instead of taking my knowledge on the case from those places or from the attention deficit disorder stricken rabbi Horowitz's blog project YES i actually made a decision to sit trough the trial myself and watch the proceedings and then make my own determination if this man is innocent or guilty.

Now I'm not going to go in to the details of the trial because there is way to much to write and say and my time doesn't allow it at the moment, but on a few short points that made you so convinced that he is guilty i will answer.

It was proven in court by 2 wittiness and pictures that the door had only ONE NUMBER LOCK not 3 locks as the papers want you to believe.
1 lock did not fit the hinge and therefor could not be locked.
Second lock was from the outside if the door and could no

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 02:53 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #97  
Liepa Says:

Based on the fact when someone is convicted for manslaughter he gets less than fifteen years, if that. No one was killed here, therefore 5 - 7 years should suffice.

If you really believe 103 years is a sane sentence then you must be completely in.......

First of all, a young woman, child really, was not only murdered but while her body lives she will never be able to fully live. You say 103 years is to much, I think at least the death penalty should suffice, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 03:19 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #101  
Avi Says:

This is Not Justice!!!
This is a Lynch!!!

If this was a nonjew he would have gotten at most a few years never 103 or even more than 10, so Jewish Blood is cheap!!
Here in the usa court system!!

Im not sayin hes innocent, but 10 years an entire decade would be more than enough, 15 years already beyond enough, but 103!!!

A certain group of people would not let one of them to be treated this way and it wouldnt happen because they would be on the streets!!
Maybe its time the chevra in willi show their strenght!!
Because i got news for you
Tommorow it may be you or someone in your family who did something not kosher on their taxes or whatever and they will also get 30, 50 or even 100 years!!!
Because they can get away, because jewish blood is cheap!
This is clearly antisemetism cause no nonjew ever got close to this!!
Again he very well maybe guilty, but this not justice!!!

Just some facts:

1) Wayne Kyzer got 10,000 years in 1981 for killing His wife, mother-in-law & a college friend.

2)Darron Bennalford got 2,000 years for RAPE & ROBBERY (sounds very familiar)

3) In 1996, Ryan Brandt & a partner got 265 each AFTER TURNING DOWN A PLEA BARGAIN for forty years each

4) Kieth Wood got 160 years for RAPING 5 women (Weberman has about 10 who are afraid to come forward) in a span if a year (Weberman raped this young child for THREE years not one year)

When you state facts be correct or don't state them, or state it's your opinion. None of these are Jews (I don't believe). Weberman did something horrendous as did the men I mentioned above, so yes he deserved his sentencing and no it was not anti semetic in nature at all.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 03:40 AM Kmarna Rebbe Says:

to all comm-enters saying 103 years is justified, just think for a minute, is it even normal to give 103 years ?? who in his right mind would think weberman will live another 103 years, the judges have to be normal and give a sentence that make sence with the years a person can live.

2nd when baruch lebovits was sentenced to 32 years prison, you can look back on VIN all comments were also very happy, but at end he went out a Free Man, the point is if u give a sentence that doesnt fit the crime, he will be freed early, if u give a reasonable sentence, it would be upheld, Weberman likely to be Freed and get a re-trial after this sentence that is longer then most people live!

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 03:48 AM Brooklyndemocrat Says:

Reply to #29  
no evidence but Says:

Yes, it seems as though there was no direct evidence but he was no tzadik. I guess in some way what you do catches up with you. He accepted money for tzedaka and spent it on personal stuff, including ladies intimate garments. This CHARITY FRAUD WAS ADMITTED BY HIM AND BASED ON CLEAR EVIDENCE.
Guilty of something in my books.

Reply to 29 and if ill tell u that i have a sister that had an issue that he helped her thru andy father has no money to pay abd he did it FOR FREE.and im not satmar or niether 1 of hos community. Shame on u

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 03:52 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #183  
rebeli Says:

'First of all, he had multiple victims over a long period of time'

You are completely WRONG, there were'nt any multiple victims.
His conviction is based upon one victim's accusation!

At least get your facts right!

Excuse me, but those were the facts. There ARE countless women who had their lives ruined by this monster, but only one brave young woman who came forward publically and not just to rabbis & das.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 04:03 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #190  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Kol Yisroel areivim, it sounds like you are jewish and should know that if any crime was commited in the city the Torah takes the side of the men, she could have screramed etc. only if it was on a field or woods is the victim assumed innocent. In this case with no proof i dont get your point "standing up to Goliath" She didnt say a thing. At any rate guilty or not 100 Years? Since i have never mert a frum Sheere only Malky,Suri,Rachel,Gitty,Toby etc i doubt you are Frumm.

Take any religious name, keep same initial & you can make it English, ie Yitzchak is Issac or Yakov is Jake & yes Suri can be a sheree. In case you need to know the reason why, it's to make are very chasuc names ( like Briendy/Bonnie fit into a non Jewish works, as in lawyers, psychologists & even those who work in manhattan.

As for stating the Torah, the Torah says we need to be judged according to our place of jurisdiction until Moshiach comes. Unfortunately, that day, thanks in mist part to sinas china which even the so called satmar rebbe portrayed, is the reason were still without Moshiach

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 04:07 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #202  
Liepa Says:

When was the last time a judge sentenced a murderer to 103 years, pray tell?

15 years ago at most

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 04:32 AM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Reply to #220  
BaruchBendit Says:

You don't like it?

Move back to Vienna or Budapest.

In Vienna or Budapest there wouldn't be any of the usual nonsense of letting abusers skate because of sweetheart deals with "The Community". They take molestation VERY seriously.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 04:10 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #204  
ShlomoH Says:

103 YEARS???? I mean 100 years I could understand, but why make the man sit the additional 3 years? Shouldn's a full century be enough? I'm baffled by our court system.

It's a chazahkah, another proof that Hashem agrees to thus punishment. Also it's a century plus the three years the girl was tortured for.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 06:35 AM BlueWindow Says:

Reply to #226  
Anonymous Says:

To all judges out there : remember, remember, remember, still not 1 drop of evidence, how do you convict a man who came into contact with many many many girls over the years and yet not 1 other person came forward. '' innocent till proven guilty '' applies to everyone. '' proven guilty '' where is the proof? cause she (the looser) said?

That's what the trial was for. "Innocent until proven guilty" means that there is presumption of innocence until the accused was convicted by a trial according to the rule of law.

Weberman had his day in court, he was convicted in a trial. Now he is a convicted sex abuser. He is not presumed innocent any more.

Learn your terms before you use them.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 07:31 AM BlueWindow Says:

Reply to #235  
Brooklyndemocrat Says:

Reply to 29 and if ill tell u that i have a sister that had an issue that he helped her thru andy father has no money to pay abd he did it FOR FREE.and im not satmar or niether 1 of hos community. Shame on u

1) You don't know whether your sister was molested

2) You do not seem to understand that a person can have two faces. he might be a nice man to most people, plus a sexual predator to others.

Why do the Satmar have such a hard time in identifying hypocrites?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 07:57 AM naisgal Says:

Reply to #18  
maysways18 Says:

Oh Nebech BDE
Hashem should help that this so called victim should do tshuvah , and admit the real truth and get this man out of jail asap.
However the case according to the torah rules there is NO jail for any sin, and in this case , a jew is obligated to the torah rules not to the secular judges scentence.

How can anyone not see the pain inflicted on a 12 year old child, whose shame and fear and panic she will forever have to live with? I am not delighted about a Yid being in prison, but if he did do this, he is not worthy of being amongst humans, as he is a chazar with a shtreimel.He will never be forgiven until he admits what his sin was and asks for forgiveness as that is a necessary part of teshuva. He is still smirking and blaming this girl, who went to him for help. Would it not have been better if she had a 15 year old boy as a boyfriend then an old married man who twisted her into a shape that made her feel loathing? The community should learn from this to send a young girl to a woman or a licensed therapist or to make sure there is never yichud. She was in trouble and did what her principal, her parents, and the community wanted to stay on their good side. Still they are abandoning her with their pity for the man who did this. I do not pity him at all. he saw a child and used his position to ruin her. But with mazal and Hashem's help, she may recover. I am truly disgusted and appalled at the comments that make light of this matter.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 08:00 AM naisgal Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

He did it? Do you even care?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 08:04 AM naisgal Says:

Reply to #185  
Liepa Says:

You still haven't explained why he deserves 103 years when murders and rapists don't get even clost to that amount.
Let me ask you, if this person was your brother, father or son would youi also agree that this is a fair jail sentence. 103 years is preposterous beyond words.

If this girl was your daughter, sister, or mother, would you feel 103 years is enough?
Or do you think it is no big deal to take away childhood from a girl and impose the will of a married older man on her ?
Stay away from children! Is that so hard to understand?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 08:23 AM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #226  
Anonymous Says:

To all judges out there : remember, remember, remember, still not 1 drop of evidence, how do you convict a man who came into contact with many many many girls over the years and yet not 1 other person came forward. '' innocent till proven guilty '' applies to everyone. '' proven guilty '' where is the proof? cause she (the looser) said?

There is evidence, it's called TESTIMONY which is indeed evidence in the court of law. In many sexual assault cases that is all there is, a he-says-she-says. Sure, it would be great of all abusers would be so kind as to record their actions, but most don't cooperate like that. And so the courts often has to rely on TESTIMONY. Weberman was indeed innocent until proven guilty by victim testimony, that's how the justice system works, and not just in this case.

For what it's worth, halacha too does not require physical evidence (and likely wouldn't even recognize it if it were to exist). Halacha relies on witness testimonies, and witnesses can be just as unreliable as you claim this girl is (as discussed at great length in gemara and halacha).

Oh, and I think you meant LOSER, not LOOSER. But, regardless, your bias is showing.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 09:10 AM Insider Says:

Reply to #234  
Kmarna Rebbe Says:

to all comm-enters saying 103 years is justified, just think for a minute, is it even normal to give 103 years ?? who in his right mind would think weberman will live another 103 years, the judges have to be normal and give a sentence that make sence with the years a person can live.

2nd when baruch lebovits was sentenced to 32 years prison, you can look back on VIN all comments were also very happy, but at end he went out a Free Man, the point is if u give a sentence that doesnt fit the crime, he will be freed early, if u give a reasonable sentence, it would be upheld, Weberman likely to be Freed and get a re-trial after this sentence that is longer then most people live!

Sorry my friend, but you are wrong. Liebowitz is not free. He will be retried. His potential sentence now is 40 years, which is much more than the original 31 years. If he looses, he looses big. The overwhelming likelyhood is that he will loose again. Further, Weberman will be in prison for the rest of his life. Any appeal that he makes will be turned down, no matter who takes for an attorney. If Weberman uses the joke of an attorney that he had for the trial, it will be summarily disnissed. The smart money is betting on Borth Liebowitz and Weberman ending their dispicable lives in prison. Does anyone know if the prison system has a chevra kadisha? Do the bodies get buried with handcuffs?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 09:21 AM OccupyAgudah Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

To all those using Levi Aaron to sensationalize their message, stop with your nonsense. What does one have to do with the other?

First of all, Levi Aron was given 40 to LIFE, not 40 years. He will never make it through a parole board due to his crime being so heinous. Second of all, the plea was accepted at the urging of the victims family. It spared them a trial and having to re-live all the horrible details again. Going to trial made no sense as he ultimately got a life sentence anyway. You are either ignorant of these facts, or are aware of them and using a boys murder to sensationalize your message, which shows your true character.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 09:26 AM mendel Says:

Reply to #223  
Voice of Reason Says:

What do you mean by that?

I mean that abusers have been hiding behind the Torah and Halocho to do
Terrible things to children, well now H,K,B,H is showing the people, that using Torah and Halocho for bad things and hiding behind the mesira halocho to save them, wont wash anymore.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 09:46 AM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #145  
bobgrant Says:

im sorry to say but i spoke to many attorneys today they all said its time to move away from the goldnina america there's no justice here , there's no land that trial uman being for 100 years for sex abuse or Freud , lets all move to our holy land before its to late

Which attorneys did you speak to? Here is one who disagrees as to the lack of justice here. It would be fine if you move to Israel. Hopefully your will be able to spell the name of the county correctly. Do you think you will be able to continue your Sunday dribble on WABC when you move?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 09:53 AM Proud2BeAJew Says:

Reply to #205  
Arrogance Says:

When someone admits that he did wrong and shows the judge that he is sorry, he can get a minimal sentence.

The Opposite takes place at sentencing when someone shows extreme arrogance and that he is in denial, where then the judge throws the book at him with a maximum sentence to the max that the law allows.

Rabashkin got a maximum sentence because of his extreme arrogance and for him being in denial and refusal to admit and apologize and Weberman got what he got, for the precise same reason.

But to top it off, Weberman has the entire Willi community throwing millions of dollars at a fundraiser to support this molester and even his rebbe was blaming the victim instead of blaming the rapist so the judge can't throw his rebbe in jail nor can he throw all the Willi $ donors who supported this molester with their r $'s - to throw them all in to jail, even though they all deserve it even more than the rapist himself, because they EMPOWERED him to do it via their support and denial.

The only thing the judge can do here is to "throw the book at him" with a maximum sentence, and hope that all of Willi will wake up and smell the coffee, before it's too late for them too.

What does this have to do with what I said?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:22 AM Just Saying Says:

Reply to #9  
ALTERG Says:

Levi Aron a real murder got only 40 years, & weberman w/o any evidence w/o any witnesses w/o any videos got 103? we need to move back to Europe

Levi Aron pleaded guilty and got 40 years with a plea bargin - Weberman was offered 5 years if he pleaded guilty but insisted on his innocence - of course it's going to be higher

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:28 AM Liepa Says:

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I_Am_Me Says:

Excuse me, but those were the facts. There ARE countless women who had their lives ruined by this monster, but only one brave young woman who came forward publically and not just to rabbis & das.

Excuse me, whilst you're certainly entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own set of facts.

You're resorting to pure heresay by claiming 'countless women who had their lives ruined', and you're letting your emotions cloud any sense you may have.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Sorry all your relatives appear to be criminals, Liepa. But what difference should it make if the defendant is a relative of yours?

When you become a judge, you can setnce under the law however you like. This judge did, and if he didn't have a right to do it under the law, he couldn't have.

Don't judge Weberman until you get into his shoes, one day you just might.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi #246 there was not one witness in this case. According to our torah we need witness. She the looser is a plaintiff not a witness. Thanks for understanding the difference

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46 AM Sherree Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Rabbi #246 there was not one witness in this case. According to our torah we need witness. She the looser is a plaintiff not a witness. Thanks for understanding the difference

Once a case goes to secular court, we can't use Torah concepts. HE should have thought about that when he broke the Law. Furthermore, both Satmar brothers, should have thought about that when they took their own case to Secular Courts. They set an example for the rest of their communities, after all they are the role models are they not?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #255  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi #246 there was not one witness in this case. According to our torah we need witness. She the looser is a plaintiff not a witness. Thanks for understanding the difference

One more thing that you seem to forget. There are 3 witnesses in this case. The victim, the abuser and Hashem. If Hashem did NOT want the truth to come out, or the abuser to get his just rewards, it would not have happened. Yad Hashem is very clear in this case, and that is something we all witnessed and something we all have to accept.

You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool Hashem.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM MidwesternGuy Says:

Reply to #255  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi #246 there was not one witness in this case. According to our torah we need witness. She the looser is a plaintiff not a witness. Thanks for understanding the difference

Only for Misas Bais Din. And our Torah also says that we follow Dina D'Malchusa.

Ignoramus.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #254  
Anonymous Says:

Don't judge Weberman until you get into his shoes, one day you just might.

B"H, I don't ever plan to be in his shoes because I understand and I live by this rule. I always stand before melech malchei hamelachim. Hashem is always watching, he doesn't take coffee breaks and he never goes out to lunch!!

Therefore I would never abuse, hurt, degrade, humiliate, dehumanize, or inflict pain purposely on another human being especially a child. So no thank you, but Weberman's shoes are filled with muck and mire and I would never step foot in that kind of garbage.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:54 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #253  
Liepa Says:

Excuse me, whilst you're certainly entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own set of facts.

You're resorting to pure heresay by claiming 'countless women who had their lives ruined', and you're letting your emotions cloud any sense you may have.

Actually these are the facts whether you choose to believe them or not. Victims told their stories to Rabbi Horowitz, the DA and other advocates. Some even to the Daily News and other reporters. More and more stories will come out. Ezra Friendlander reported a story he heard from a father of a victim's best friend. No one can open your eyes for you, but you. And no one can make you face the truth, it is a job you have to do for yourself. But just because you choose not to believe it, that doesn't make you right.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #252  
Just Saying Says:

Levi Aron pleaded guilty and got 40 years with a plea bargin - Weberman was offered 5 years if he pleaded guilty but insisted on his innocence - of course it's going to be higher

Levi Aron was convicted of 1 crime and got 40 years for it. Weberman was convicted of 59 crimes on one victim alone. He is being punished for 59 counts and got less than 2 years per crime. Now considering that Aron got 40 years for 1 crime and Webershmutz got 2 years per crime, it doesn't seem unfair does it?

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #255  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi #246 there was not one witness in this case. According to our torah we need witness. She the looser is a plaintiff not a witness. Thanks for understanding the difference

Who cares.....if there is a rape and the only "witness" is the victim and her testimony is credible and supported by sound forensic evidence, we should always convict the rapist and punish severly. If we relied upon your "torah law" argument, about 1/3 the sexual assualts and child molestation cases in the U.S. each year would go unpunished, which perhaps is what you want.

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 Jan 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says: