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Published on: January 28, 2013 11:00 AM
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Rabbi Moshe Aryeh Friedman arriving at Bnos Jerusalem school with his children on Jan. 7 2013. Photo: Joods ActueelRabbi Moshe Aryeh Friedman arriving at Bnos Jerusalem school with his children on Jan. 7 2013. Photo: Joods Actueel

Antwerp, Belgium - An Antwerp judge has ruled against former Neturei Karta member Moshe Aryeh Friedman in his bid to force the all boys Yavne school to accept his three daughters as students.  The controversial Friedman made waves just weeks ago when he won a similar lawsuit, forcing Bnos Jerusalem, an all girls school, to enroll his two sons as students, as previous reported on VIN News.

The same judge presided in both cases and Friedman was ordered to pay court costs of €1320 Euro, an equivalent of $1774, in court costs in his suit against Yavne, according to Belgian news site Joods Actueel.

Both schools cater to the Belz community and Belz representatives hope that Friedman’s insistence at enrolling his girls at an all boys school will prove useful in their appeal of the case involving the two young Friedman boys who are currently students at Bnos Jerusalem.  The appeals court will rule on the case no later than February 6th.

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Since registering at Bnos Jerusalem on January 7th,  the school is reporting that dozens of students have stayed home in protest and swimming has been cancelled for the entire school year.  Both eight year old Yosef and his brother, twelve year old Yaakov,  are said to be unhappy in their new environment with Yosef reportedly bursting into tears repeatedly and a silent Yaakov refusing to cooperate in school. 
Meanwhile, Israeli news source B’Chadrei Chareidim (http://bit.ly/WlsUJu) is reporting that Malka Friedman, paternal grandmother of the two boys has retained Antwerp lawyer Henri Rosenberg to file a request to have the children removed from Friedman’s custody. Ivola Rosenzweig, the boys’ maternal grandmother, has asked to join the request.

According to Rosenberg, the Friedmans have also been moving from apartment to apartment after allegedly being evicted twice for not paying their rent.

Rosenberg, who is representing Mrs. Friedman pro bono, hopes to have a decision on the case shortly.


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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM stop the abuse Says:

Boruch Hashem....someone speaking up for these abused children...where were the grandparents till now?
Nebech, to think that the wife would allow her kids to sit in that environment all day, what does she think.....they are happy? They are probably the butt of everyone's joke in school....how could she, as a mother allow her boys to be so hurt???? I don't get it...If she is also abused, get out with the kids and go home..she already tried that once...why did she come back to this sick man? Her life and the lives of her children are the most important thing. Don't worry about threats from this guy..There is plenty of support out there for you. You have parents and in-laws who know their child is COOOOOCOOOOO....go home with the kids and don't look back!!!!!
P.S.the whole yiddishe world is on your side...have no fear...DO IT!!!

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM Shemp Says:

If the schools would originally have let the boys in the boys school and the girls in the girls school there wouldn't be this crazy scenerio. But noooooooooo since the father is a former, that's FORMER member of Neturay Karta, they wouldn't allow his kids into the schools. Hence, lawsuit, publicity (negative), world news, and of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:25 AM brooklyn mom Says:

What a shame!! These people deserve all the things that happen to them for being part of the neturie karte offshoot, but the children don't. And of course they are always the ones who suffer for their parents stupidity. Nebach. I hope the grandmother wins custody of these kids. Kol Hakavod to her for realizing how the children are suffering.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:27 AM Boochie Says:

"Both eight year old Yosef and his brother, twelve year old Yaakov, are said to be unhappy in their new environment with Yosef reportedly bursting into tears repeatedly and a silent Yaakov refusing to cooperate in school".

ya think?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:33 AM torontonian Says:

For some time now this story is making news. VIN has not ventured to report the motivation for this bizarre behavior. Why would a chasidishe father put his sons in an all girls school? If the parents are mentally deranged then the judge should have had the capacity to understand them to be so.

What is really going on?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:34 AM bubii Says:

Wow what a twisted case this is,this freedman is absolutly out of his mind he is abusing his children terribly from reading here i see they are very very disgusted with their father antics,the children should be taken away from him and his wife they both are unfit parents.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:36 AM yanki Says:

Reply to #2  
Shemp Says:

If the schools would originally have let the boys in the boys school and the girls in the girls school there wouldn't be this crazy scenerio. But noooooooooo since the father is a former, that's FORMER member of Neturay Karta, they wouldn't allow his kids into the schools. Hence, lawsuit, publicity (negative), world news, and of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely.

Please dont voice your opinion before knowing the facts

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 11:41 AM AYidela Says:

My heart goes out for this 2 children, why do we have such crazy parents on the world

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:40 PM CSLMoish Says:

BH Am Yisrael is a sympathetic nation. The school would do good to read some comments here and see public sympathy lies with the kids. The poor children need not suffer because of their fathers sins. I now understand the reasoning of the judge. For had the schools accepted the kids and taught them Torah they would not be dealing with a complete disruption of their girls schools. This is a lesson for all our schools.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:37 PM Iamlost Says:

He did not want his kids to go to a girls school. But since the boys school is not subsidized, they have the right to refuse to admit his kids. He thought that by forcing the girls school to accept them, (which is subsidized and must take in everyone) he will force the boys school to take them in.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:35 PM yaakov doe Says:

Is there some reason he doesn't want the bus in a boys school and the girls in a girls school?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM stop the abuse Says:

Reply to #2  
Shemp Says:

If the schools would originally have let the boys in the boys school and the girls in the girls school there wouldn't be this crazy scenerio. But noooooooooo since the father is a former, that's FORMER member of Neturay Karta, they wouldn't allow his kids into the schools. Hence, lawsuit, publicity (negative), world news, and of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely.

But the schools DID NOT let the kids in...so this crazy father decides to do something that harms his children...!Well, a normal father would sacrifice everything for his family, give everything up so that his kids could have as normal a life as possible, maybe possibly apologizing for his past behavior, asking to be forgiven from the public, and maybe Hashem as well...and try to forge on with a normal life...
So, I see you have a problem with the people that comment on VIN....As far as I see, have you not made a comment yourself??? explanation, perhaps...
Pray tell, are you the maven, that UNDERSTANDS EVERYTHING COMPLETELY? What is there to understand? It doesn't take a genius to figure that the father made a big Chillul Hashem in the past, and his family is suffering the consequences!!!

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
stop the abuse Says:

Boruch Hashem....someone speaking up for these abused children...where were the grandparents till now?
Nebech, to think that the wife would allow her kids to sit in that environment all day, what does she think.....they are happy? They are probably the butt of everyone's joke in school....how could she, as a mother allow her boys to be so hurt???? I don't get it...If she is also abused, get out with the kids and go home..she already tried that once...why did she come back to this sick man? Her life and the lives of her children are the most important thing. Don't worry about threats from this guy..There is plenty of support out there for you. You have parents and in-laws who know their child is COOOOOCOOOOO....go home with the kids and don't look back!!!!!
P.S.the whole yiddishe world is on your side...have no fear...DO IT!!!

"why did she come back to this sick man?"

Is this a professonal diagnostic statement? or just shooting from the hip... Gung ho style, because you dont like his activisim.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Bubby stepped in too late, I'm afraid. The kids are already damaged from this humiliating experience and will forever be changed and shamed. Too bad the State didn't step in and remove the kids from the home when this first happened. The family is not thinking rationally.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM bloem Says:

Reply to #2  
Shemp Says:

If the schools would originally have let the boys in the boys school and the girls in the girls school there wouldn't be this crazy scenerio. But noooooooooo since the father is a former, that's FORMER member of Neturay Karta, they wouldn't allow his kids into the schools. Hence, lawsuit, publicity (negative), world news, and of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely.

Maybe he's FORMER member, He's much worse now, His goal now is end the discrimination (segragation) between girls and boys. Listen to his interviews to hear it from him

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM Liepa Says:

If this father truly loved his children, he'd publicly proclaim that he's split from the neturei karta and is no longer a follower and he made some mistakes in the past and if in fact he hurt anyone he begs for 'mechilah'. Then maybe life will go on with at least some semblance of normalcy for the poor kids.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM berza Says:

Reply to #5  
torontonian Says:

For some time now this story is making news. VIN has not ventured to report the motivation for this bizarre behavior. Why would a chasidishe father put his sons in an all girls school? If the parents are mentally deranged then the judge should have had the capacity to understand them to be so.

What is really going on?

Belz is affiliated with the mizrachi/yavneh and therefore it is a state sponsored school, none authentic cheredi school would care to joina mizrachi/yavneh society! let alone belz-fin-amul! Friedman is an activist and cares to hilite -right or wrong- this atrocity.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:14 PM kehati Says:

It is really horrific that the children must go through such suffering. Having said that, I think that it's crucial that certain elements in the community must understand that there exist certain "red lines", such as giving kavod to and hobnobbing with Holocaust deniers, which cannot be crossed.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:

1) I hope the grandmother is a capable, loving, caring, normal individual
2) I wish her much hatzlocha in gaining custody of the children and wish her hatzlocha in nurturing them
3) I hope after all that the mother of these children gets the help she needs

Using children as pawns takes a deranged parent. Even if the father is a "former" neturai karta member, it still sounds to me that the deranged part is still going on.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM Butterfly Says:

The kids should have been removed from his custody a long time ago.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM InsideOne Says:

Reply to #5  
torontonian Says:

For some time now this story is making news. VIN has not ventured to report the motivation for this bizarre behavior. Why would a chasidishe father put his sons in an all girls school? If the parents are mentally deranged then the judge should have had the capacity to understand them to be so.

What is really going on?

The original news stories made that pretty clear - the schools would not accept his kids due to his Neturei karta affiliation (or former affiliation, doesn't really matter) - that is, the boys school wouldn't accept his boys and the grils school wouldn't accept his girls.

So he turned to the gender discimination lawsuits as a way of getting his children into jewish schools.

Not disagreeing with all of those who point out that this is terrible for his kids, but one can't avoid apportioning some blame to the schools for not accepting his kids to begin with, as if the presence of a couple of Neturei Karta kids in a sizable school would somehow taint the rest of the students.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 01:18 PM commonsense99 Says:

Mazal tov Yakkov on ur Bas Mitzvah, Hopefully next year u will be under ur grandparents custody and be able to celebrate your Bar Mitzvah instead

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 01:19 PM STOP THE ABUSE Says:

Reply to #7  
yanki Says:

Please dont voice your opinion before knowing the facts

There is nothing to know...no facts.
the fact is the father is a lunatic and abusing his kids, for whatever REASON YOU DEEM FIT...IT ISN'T FIT..!!!!! It is people like you who are always looking to find "reasons"that we have people like predators polluting our world...always a reason!!!!!
Whatever Reason you see...or facts you know...........STILL GIVES HIM NO RIGHT TO HURT HIS KIDS...WHICH HE IS APPARENTLY "not" DOING ACCORDING TO YOU!!!!!
Oh, come off it already...time to wise up and smell the coffee...stop excusing everyone and everything.
Nobody cares about HIS REASONS..... we care about his kids...GET IT???????

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 01:22 PM stop the abuse Says:

Reply to #10  
Iamlost Says:

He did not want his kids to go to a girls school. But since the boys school is not subsidized, they have the right to refuse to admit his kids. He thought that by forcing the girls school to accept them, (which is subsidized and must take in everyone) he will force the boys school to take them in.

Who cares what HE thinks.
Either he do teshuva with his whole heart for the sake of his family, or relinquish the kids to those who can properly love and care for them. No time to spare, when kids neshamas are involved...wake up u'all...
Think only this....this is your child and is subjected to this torture every day!!!!!!

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 01:25 PM stop the abuse Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

"why did she come back to this sick man?"

Is this a professonal diagnostic statement? or just shooting from the hip... Gung ho style, because you dont like his activisim.

Sorry, but I can't remember where I read it, perhaps somewhere online, but I did read about her going to Williamsburg and somehow she went back to him after all. Yes...I don't make up anything...I'm not shooting from the hip. Just wrote what I saw.
If you could see the videos, it is so obvious that she is terrified of him.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 01:44 PM Rifka Says:

There's an error in the article, it should be "the judge has ruled against former Neturei Karta member Moshe Aryeh Friedman in his bid to force the GIRLS' Yavne school to accept his three daughters as students. The girls don't have a diploma from elementary school (as a result of living all over, inclusive Teheran), so the law is on the side of the school.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 01:49 PM DRE53 Says:

It's about time the media changes Friedman's title from "former NK member" to "current zionist member".
If his pro or anti zionist stance really matters, why not mention where he's at it currently?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 01:55 PM Yanki Says:

Reply to #21  
InsideOne Says:

The original news stories made that pretty clear - the schools would not accept his kids due to his Neturei karta affiliation (or former affiliation, doesn't really matter) - that is, the boys school wouldn't accept his boys and the grils school wouldn't accept his girls.

So he turned to the gender discimination lawsuits as a way of getting his children into jewish schools.

Not disagreeing with all of those who point out that this is terrible for his kids, but one can't avoid apportioning some blame to the schools for not accepting his kids to begin with, as if the presence of a couple of Neturei Karta kids in a sizable school would somehow taint the rest of the students.

Its said that they where willing to let his kids enroll on the condition that he signs a disclaimer that he will not go to court for any complaints, just to a Jewish beth din.
Its obvious he was, is , will keep looking for trouble

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 02:00 PM torontonian Says:

Reply to #21  
InsideOne Says:

The original news stories made that pretty clear - the schools would not accept his kids due to his Neturei karta affiliation (or former affiliation, doesn't really matter) - that is, the boys school wouldn't accept his boys and the grils school wouldn't accept his girls.

So he turned to the gender discimination lawsuits as a way of getting his children into jewish schools.

Not disagreeing with all of those who point out that this is terrible for his kids, but one can't avoid apportioning some blame to the schools for not accepting his kids to begin with, as if the presence of a couple of Neturei Karta kids in a sizable school would somehow taint the rest of the students.

Thank you for the clarification. The being responsible for deciding which children are fit in a particular educational system is a grave responsibility. But having met basic agreeable criteria of Shemiras Shabbos etc etc. school boards should temper "holier than thou" needs and assume that parents and even children can choose their friends wisely.

A wise admitting committee should have seen what would be born and understood the ramifications of its decision. The chillul hashem is overbearing.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 02:32 PM Anonymous Says:

His being former Neturei karta was not the issue, even if that's how it was reported. The issue is his being a troublemaker and causing legal problems for everybody involved.

His mother is a very nice, smart woman but requesting custody earlier would have been futile. There needs to be real proof of the kids being harmed for a judge to remove kids from their parents, which has only happened now with this bizarre turn of events.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 02:58 PM crybaby Says:

Reply to #1  
stop the abuse Says:

Boruch Hashem....someone speaking up for these abused children...where were the grandparents till now?
Nebech, to think that the wife would allow her kids to sit in that environment all day, what does she think.....they are happy? They are probably the butt of everyone's joke in school....how could she, as a mother allow her boys to be so hurt???? I don't get it...If she is also abused, get out with the kids and go home..she already tried that once...why did she come back to this sick man? Her life and the lives of her children are the most important thing. Don't worry about threats from this guy..There is plenty of support out there for you. You have parents and in-laws who know their child is COOOOOCOOOOO....go home with the kids and don't look back!!!!!
P.S.the whole yiddishe world is on your side...have no fear...DO IT!!!

don't talk until your in her shoes

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 03:38 PM Rudolf Says:

Reply to #7  
yanki Says:

Please dont voice your opinion before knowing the facts

You mean everyone on this website knows all the facts? huh?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 03:38 PM Rangers Goalie Says:

Reply to #7  
yanki Says:

Please dont voice your opinion before knowing the facts

And you have all the facts?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 03:39 PM Shemp Says:

Reply to #7  
yanki Says:

Please dont voice your opinion before knowing the facts

I can voice ANY opinion I want. Who the heck are you to tell me what to do??

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 03:50 PM Shemp Says:

Reply to #12  
stop the abuse Says:

But the schools DID NOT let the kids in...so this crazy father decides to do something that harms his children...!Well, a normal father would sacrifice everything for his family, give everything up so that his kids could have as normal a life as possible, maybe possibly apologizing for his past behavior, asking to be forgiven from the public, and maybe Hashem as well...and try to forge on with a normal life...
So, I see you have a problem with the people that comment on VIN....As far as I see, have you not made a comment yourself??? explanation, perhaps...
Pray tell, are you the maven, that UNDERSTANDS EVERYTHING COMPLETELY? What is there to understand? It doesn't take a genius to figure that the father made a big Chillul Hashem in the past, and his family is suffering the consequences!!!

"maybe possibly apologizing for his past behavior, asking to be forgiven from the public,
1)Apologize? Why? He quit the Netura Karta AND THAT'S THAT. Who are we that he needs to apologize to us? We (I) don't need or want his apology. Do you want the Satmar Rabbi to apologize to you because he is an anti Zionist?
2) Yes I made a comment but I never claimed it was the only correct one.
3)Exactly my point he made a "mistake?" in the past! It's in the past and children in the Jewish religion don't/shouldn't suffer because of their parents "mistake"!

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 03:51 PM Mergetroid Says:

Reply to #16  
Liepa Says:

If this father truly loved his children, he'd publicly proclaim that he's split from the neturei karta and is no longer a follower and he made some mistakes in the past and if in fact he hurt anyone he begs for 'mechilah'. Then maybe life will go on with at least some semblance of normalcy for the poor kids.

He did.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 04:00 PM Sebastion Says:

Reply to #18  
kehati Says:

It is really horrific that the children must go through such suffering. Having said that, I think that it's crucial that certain elements in the community must understand that there exist certain "red lines", such as giving kavod to and hobnobbing with Holocaust deniers, which cannot be crossed.

such as giving kavod to and hobnobbing with Holocaust deniers, which cannot be crossed. ”
Hey lets call a spade a spade. That line is one of the biggest lies perpetrated here and in that Anglo Saxon mouthpiece THE JEWISH PRESS. They NEVER denied the holocaust!! Never. Just the opposite they told Ahchmenadindjad at that conference TO HIS FACE that MORE than 6 million were killed. (He reneged on his claim after that). It is only the above newspaper who hate these Jews because they go against their rags' Zionist policies so the printed that tremendous lie which is constantly repeated like sheep following the shepherd here on VIN.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Shemp Says:

If the schools would originally have let the boys in the boys school and the girls in the girls school there wouldn't be this crazy scenerio. But noooooooooo since the father is a former, that's FORMER member of Neturay Karta, they wouldn't allow his kids into the schools. Hence, lawsuit, publicity (negative), world news, and of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely.

What makes you say "FORMER"?
The frum community has to punish NK in any way possible.
Why is it the frum community's fault. Why isnt his fault? LEt him send them to public school.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 04:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
crybaby Says:

don't talk until your in her shoes

How do you know that I haven't?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 04:21 PM insider Says:

Reply to #9  
CSLMoish Says:

BH Am Yisrael is a sympathetic nation. The school would do good to read some comments here and see public sympathy lies with the kids. The poor children need not suffer because of their fathers sins. I now understand the reasoning of the judge. For had the schools accepted the kids and taught them Torah they would not be dealing with a complete disruption of their girls schools. This is a lesson for all our schools.

This family lived in Boro Park for a while. They did not pay tuition for their kids and when he was approached about it he said he will MUSER on them which he did more than once before running off to Antwerp. Al Pe Halacha a muser is a chayiv misa. The jewish kahilla in Antwerp are scared of him and so are the kids and wife for his power which he has.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 04:24 PM Liepa Says:

If anyone truly believes that a judge, in Belguim nonetheless, will have the kids removed from their parents because of boys school vs girls school etc. etc., then I have a bridge for sale.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 04:30 PM YM Says:

Reply to #21  
InsideOne Says:

The original news stories made that pretty clear - the schools would not accept his kids due to his Neturei karta affiliation (or former affiliation, doesn't really matter) - that is, the boys school wouldn't accept his boys and the grils school wouldn't accept his girls.

So he turned to the gender discimination lawsuits as a way of getting his children into jewish schools.

Not disagreeing with all of those who point out that this is terrible for his kids, but one can't avoid apportioning some blame to the schools for not accepting his kids to begin with, as if the presence of a couple of Neturei Karta kids in a sizable school would somehow taint the rest of the students.

If you think that just letting in his children come to school without paying tuition is his only problem think again. His records show that if the school slighted the kids in any way his way of fighting them is through the court system. If you would belong to any hanhala would you want that on your head.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 05:25 PM Shemp Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

What makes you say "FORMER"?
The frum community has to punish NK in any way possible.
Why is it the frum community's fault. Why isnt his fault? LEt him send them to public school.

"The frum community has to punish NK in any way possible."
Has to Punish? Why do they need punishing? Particularly from us? Who are we to punish anyone. "WE" are not the final word. Only G-D is. There is NO law to belong to the Neturay Karta. They feel their belief is 0 correct. Can You argue with that?
Oh and BTW he did quit from them for what it's worth over a year ago.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 05:32 PM Norden Says:

Reply to #2  
Shemp Says:

If the schools would originally have let the boys in the boys school and the girls in the girls school there wouldn't be this crazy scenerio. But noooooooooo since the father is a former, that's FORMER member of Neturay Karta, they wouldn't allow his kids into the schools. Hence, lawsuit, publicity (negative), world news, and of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely.

"of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely."

So, Shemp #2, may we assume from your words that you _are_ in full possession of all the facts of this case and that it is you (and only you) "who understand[s] this problem completely"?

I know what I think.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 05:48 PM shredready Says:

this is one big mess with many players including the yeshiva who refused to accept his children. Maybe he thought they would give in once the the girls school was forced to accept them? Why did they not back down after that ruling?

Punish the kids because of the father since when is that permitted?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 05:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
insider Says:

This family lived in Boro Park for a while. They did not pay tuition for their kids and when he was approached about it he said he will MUSER on them which he did more than once before running off to Antwerp. Al Pe Halacha a muser is a chayiv misa. The jewish kahilla in Antwerp are scared of him and so are the kids and wife for his power which he has.

Let's hear, what power could he yield over his wife? He won't give her a get? Living with him is worse than not getting one. Spending your whole life intimidated by a monster ain't living....you may as well be free to breathe and be alone. At least the children could have a semblence of a decent life, if that's possible.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

What makes you say "FORMER"?
The frum community has to punish NK in any way possible.
Why is it the frum community's fault. Why isnt his fault? LEt him send them to public school.

Really, you don't care that yiddishe neshomas are in Public school? Have you no heart?????????????I guess not.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 06:08 PM STOP THE ABUSE Says:

Reply to #35  
Shemp Says:

"maybe possibly apologizing for his past behavior, asking to be forgiven from the public,
1)Apologize? Why? He quit the Netura Karta AND THAT'S THAT. Who are we that he needs to apologize to us? We (I) don't need or want his apology. Do you want the Satmar Rabbi to apologize to you because he is an anti Zionist?
2) Yes I made a comment but I never claimed it was the only correct one.
3)Exactly my point he made a "mistake?" in the past! It's in the past and children in the Jewish religion don't/shouldn't suffer because of their parents "mistake"!

Relax...we are not only dealing with his "past" NK antics...we are dealing with other stuff he did over the course of years...money owed to many places and institutions etc. etc.If he would just abandon this crazy lifestyle and start living like a mentch...I think we could give him the benefit of the doubt.
Secondly....I don't get it...I'm the one that says the children should not suffer for the crimes of the parents....but it didn't seem like you said that earlier on or implied it by your statements.
All I'm saying is this: We have to protect the kids, that's all...
No he doesn't have to apologize to YOU...just to the public and the people he has scamed over the years...like people when they default on a loan, or cry chapter ll...you know...I did wrong..want to change...and maybe his kids will have a chance at a normal life. That's all I meant. No one asked you if YOU should forgive him, but maybe some people would care if he did...You are not the only person around, you know.
The reason his kids are not accepted to schools are for obvious reasons, not only because of NK. How does Satmar COME INTO THIS?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 06:09 PM Baruch HaShem- Finally!!! Says:

Baruch HaShem!!!! I am crying tears of joy for these children!! Finally someone is stepping in and will hopefully with continued rachamim from HaShem save these innocent children from their abusive parents!!!

As a child of an abusive home- oh how I wished someone.... someone would say something, do something.. .save us....

I said from the beginning of this abusive circus- that child services should take the children... or the community should take them..
People in the community and abroad need to realize that these children are innocent victims being used as pawns... I was there.. in similar shoes.. they are defenseless, helpless while under the care of their dictatorship parents... they have to comply or else...

I hope and pray that the grandparents are healthier and do gain custody and these children start rebuilding their lives... repairing scars that last a lifetime, healing pain that subsides but is never forgotten and may G-D bless them with a lifetime of happiness, peace, stability, a life of normal functioning and love and happiness...

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 06:14 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #37  
Sebastion Says:

such as giving kavod to and hobnobbing with Holocaust deniers, which cannot be crossed. ”
Hey lets call a spade a spade. That line is one of the biggest lies perpetrated here and in that Anglo Saxon mouthpiece THE JEWISH PRESS. They NEVER denied the holocaust!! Never. Just the opposite they told Ahchmenadindjad at that conference TO HIS FACE that MORE than 6 million were killed. (He reneged on his claim after that). It is only the above newspaper who hate these Jews because they go against their rags' Zionist policies so the printed that tremendous lie which is constantly repeated like sheep following the shepherd here on VIN.

Pretty soon you'll be saying these NK nuts are pro-Israel as is ahmadHOMONjad!

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 06:49 PM Norden Says:

Reply to #34  
Shemp Says:

I can voice ANY opinion I want. Who the heck are you to tell me what to do??

Shemp, it might be worth-while for you to stop for a moment and to reflect on an old French proverb: "You can't catch flies with vinegar".

Alternatively kindly remember this before you make a complete fool of yourself again:"דְּרָכֶיהָ דַרְכֵי נֹעַם, וְכָל נְתִיבוֹתֶיהָ שָׁלוֹם"

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 06:59 PM OPTIMIST Says:

Your facts are all wrong. Yavneh is a boys and girls school with separate classes.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 07:09 PM Shemp Says:

Reply to #45  
Norden Says:

"of course all the important comments coming here on VIN from all the "mavens" who understand this problem completely."

So, Shemp #2, may we assume from your words that you _are_ in full possession of all the facts of this case and that it is you (and only you) "who understand[s] this problem completely"?

I know what I think.

No, on the contrary, no one here knows all the facts yet me are ready to paskin.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 07:18 PM stop the abuse Says:

Reply to #46  
shredready Says:

this is one big mess with many players including the yeshiva who refused to accept his children. Maybe he thought they would give in once the the girls school was forced to accept them? Why did they not back down after that ruling?

Punish the kids because of the father since when is that permitted?

You know what...maybe all this was meant to happen for the benefit of the children, maybe Hashem in his infinite mercy played into these events, so eventually something so crazy could come about where these children will finally be shipped off to loving and caring arms...who knows....
Let's pray for these children...they end up in a warm home with some sanity back in their lives..
I know the grandmother Friedman...I hope at this stage in her life she is willing to go all out for her grandchildren....would make all our hearts warm! Go Malka!!!
High Five!!!!!

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 07:29 PM Incognito Says:

The reason the schools didnt want his kids in the first place was bc he causes legal trouble and blackmail in any school they attend.
I'm so happy his mother got involved. She's a wonderful lady & I sincerely hope she gets custody. Her mother lives in Antwerp and I hope she gets involved.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 08:55 PM Aryeh Says:

Kids as a weapon. Classy.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:00 PM stop the abuse Says:

Reply to #54  
Shemp Says:

No, on the contrary, no one here knows all the facts yet me are ready to paskin.

I don't get it!!! who cares about the facts! what facts would make the difference to you??????
Regardless OF ANY FACTS...THE KIDS DON'T DESERVE WHAT THEY ARE GETTING....and that is parents who are totally unconcerned with THEIR NEEDS, because their own needs are more important.!
Do you need to be a rocket scientist to understand that?????
Explain please...I'm so eager to hear....about your fact finding.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Norden Says:

Shemp, it might be worth-while for you to stop for a moment and to reflect on an old French proverb: "You can't catch flies with vinegar".

Alternatively kindly remember this before you make a complete fool of yourself again:"דְּרָכֶיהָ דַרְכֵי נֹעַם, וְכָל נְתִיבוֹתֶיהָ שָׁלוֹם"

shemp...is on a fact finding mission...leave m alone.....

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:09 PM jackr Says:

This Friedman is an Oizvarf of the worse kind. It was not enough to put all of Klal Yisrael in danger by kissing our enemy in Teheran, but now he is destroying the lives of his own flesh and blood. The unfortunate consequence of this Meshugana is the harm he is doing to his own children. All the Yeshivas and bais yakovs are 100% correct to keep out this Menuval from the walls of their schools, unfortunately his kids are paying the price as well.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:19 PM YENTA Says:

I hope they put a stop on his passport so he can't fled the country' he is a nutty man and needs to be behind bars poor wife she needs to divorce him

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:25 PM wish we would wake up & smell the abuse.. Says:

I wish the Jewish world- all levels- chassidish, yeshivish, modern orthodox, YU... would wake up & realize that ABUSE is quite rampant in our communities.
I was raised in a horrifically abusive childhood, was married to an abusive man, watched several aunts married to abusive men... seriously- there are so many battered women in our world.
so many abused children. Abuse is verbal, emotional, mental, physical & sexual... e/ 1 alone is so damaging & leaves permanent effects. I know at least 50 families that are dysfunctional abusive families. S/ are extremely wealthy & you would NEVER guess... Some are modern orthodox, chassidish, yeshivish, young Israel, YU..etc,,,,, Abusive personalities are in EVERY society.
I wish there was something we can do to help break the cycle of abuse - at least for the next generations... I hope that 1 day - all schools and Yeshivas will have mandatory classes that will teach their students the red flags of an abuser- so they can pick it up on a date or b'show...
When I look at year book photos. I cry- knowing that at least 25% of the graduating grade will marry an abuser. who you marry determines the quality of life you will have...chaos or peace

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:28 PM agreed Says:

Reply to #55  
stop the abuse Says:

You know what...maybe all this was meant to happen for the benefit of the children, maybe Hashem in his infinite mercy played into these events, so eventually something so crazy could come about where these children will finally be shipped off to loving and caring arms...who knows....
Let's pray for these children...they end up in a warm home with some sanity back in their lives..
I know the grandmother Friedman...I hope at this stage in her life she is willing to go all out for her grandchildren....would make all our hearts warm! Go Malka!!!
High Five!!!!!

I totally agree with you!! now that their father exposed his abusive behavior- the children have a chance at surviving! Can we please not condemn the children for the sins of their father. They are innocent victims and need our mercy. May HaShem be with them every moment.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:28 PM mugsisme Says:

Reply to #21  
InsideOne Says:

The original news stories made that pretty clear - the schools would not accept his kids due to his Neturei karta affiliation (or former affiliation, doesn't really matter) - that is, the boys school wouldn't accept his boys and the grils school wouldn't accept his girls.

So he turned to the gender discimination lawsuits as a way of getting his children into jewish schools.

Not disagreeing with all of those who point out that this is terrible for his kids, but one can't avoid apportioning some blame to the schools for not accepting his kids to begin with, as if the presence of a couple of Neturei Karta kids in a sizable school would somehow taint the rest of the students.

Really? The school should accept them no matter what? What if a Jewish missionary wanted to put his kid in your child's class? Is that OK? So what if the child teaches your kid about yoshka, right?
The schools had a right to protect their other students. They made their bed, now they have to lay in it.
Does anyone know the kids full names to get them on tehillim lists? They need all the prayers they can get.

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:42 PM commonsense99 Says:

Reply to #4  
Boochie Says:

"Both eight year old Yosef and his brother, twelve year old Yaakov, are said to be unhappy in their new environment with Yosef reportedly bursting into tears repeatedly and a silent Yaakov refusing to cooperate in school".

ya think?

That is the saddest part of all

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 09:59 PM whataworld Says:

Reply to #57  
Aryeh Says:

Kids as a weapon. Classy.

Oy l'rasha voy l'shchayna. Looks like he's adapted to the arab ideoligy. That's what happens when you live with them. what next? how many wives do u think he's getting?

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 Jan 28, 2013 at 10:16 PM bahby Says:

Reply to #10  
Iamlost Says:

He did not want his kids to go to a girls school. But since the boys school is not subsidized, they have the right to refuse to admit his kids. He thought that by forcing the girls school to accept them, (which is subsidized and must take in everyone) he will force the boys school to take them in.

If the girls' school is subsidized and must take everyone in, why doesn't he enrol his girls in the girls' school, as well?? (duh) Do you get the feeling that he has another agenda?

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 12:25 AM Groisindahoizen Says:

Reply to #44  
Shemp Says:

"The frum community has to punish NK in any way possible."
Has to Punish? Why do they need punishing? Particularly from us? Who are we to punish anyone. "WE" are not the final word. Only G-D is. There is NO law to belong to the Neturay Karta. They feel their belief is 0 correct. Can You argue with that?
Oh and BTW he did quit from them for what it's worth over a year ago.

They hang out with Hamas and you consider them normal ?

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM millionare Says:

He is a muser. BH the court of the 2 yingeliet he masered got delayed till choidesh UDER

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 01:22 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #35  
Shemp Says:

"maybe possibly apologizing for his past behavior, asking to be forgiven from the public,
1)Apologize? Why? He quit the Netura Karta AND THAT'S THAT. Who are we that he needs to apologize to us? We (I) don't need or want his apology. Do you want the Satmar Rabbi to apologize to you because he is an anti Zionist?
2) Yes I made a comment but I never claimed it was the only correct one.
3)Exactly my point he made a "mistake?" in the past! It's in the past and children in the Jewish religion don't/shouldn't suffer because of their parents "mistake"!

Believe me I'm no fan of that man you mentioned, but he still differs from Friedman because he didn't denounce that there was a holocaust (which his uncle was in). He might be completely off base on many things, but the fact that he doesn't deny the holocaust puts him above Friedman.

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 01:32 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #37  
Sebastion Says:

such as giving kavod to and hobnobbing with Holocaust deniers, which cannot be crossed. ”
Hey lets call a spade a spade. That line is one of the biggest lies perpetrated here and in that Anglo Saxon mouthpiece THE JEWISH PRESS. They NEVER denied the holocaust!! Never. Just the opposite they told Ahchmenadindjad at that conference TO HIS FACE that MORE than 6 million were killed. (He reneged on his claim after that). It is only the above newspaper who hate these Jews because they go against their rags' Zionist policies so the printed that tremendous lie which is constantly repeated like sheep following the shepherd here on VIN.

Learn your facts, they DO denounce the holocaust, I'm surrounded by them (unfortunately) so I know. They think nazis are police officers because they don't think the nazis were as horrific as people like to believe. They hate Jews & feel those that died were rare and died of ilness or their zionistic beliefs. They are the Dregs of our community just like sassan & aviram.

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM Santas Helper Says:

Reply to #74  
I_Am_Me Says:

Learn your facts, they DO denounce the holocaust, I'm surrounded by them (unfortunately) so I know. They think nazis are police officers because they don't think the nazis were as horrific as people like to believe. They hate Jews & feel those that died were rare and died of ilness or their zionistic beliefs. They are the Dregs of our community just like sassan & aviram.

"they DO denounce the holocaust, I'm surrounded by them"
You are lying. Just the opposite.

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 10:58 AM BuckyinWisconsin Says:

This man is obviously mentally ill and not equipped for fatherhood. Unfortunately, it is the children who suffer.

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 02:00 PM rhecht Says:

This only proves how mentally and emotionally unstable he is. Rachmana L'Tzlan on the children!

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 Jan 29, 2013 at 08:15 PM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #75  
Santas Helper Says:

"they DO denounce the holocaust, I'm surrounded by them"
You are lying. Just the opposite.

I'm not lying at all. I live in Meah Sharim & know my share of nks who have compared Nazism to zionism except Zionism kills and Nazism didn't it was a war bla bla bla. Live here, I dare ya!

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 Jan 30, 2013 at 06:29 PM Santas Helper Says:

Reply to #78  
I_Am_Me Says:

I'm not lying at all. I live in Meah Sharim & know my share of nks who have compared Nazism to zionism except Zionism kills and Nazism didn't it was a war bla bla bla. Live here, I dare ya!

The part about comparing certain Zionists and Zionism to nazism is true, but they never denounced the holocaust!

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 Jan 30, 2013 at 06:30 PM Santas Helper Says:

Reply to #78  
I_Am_Me Says:

I'm not lying at all. I live in Meah Sharim & know my share of nks who have compared Nazism to zionism except Zionism kills and Nazism didn't it was a war bla bla bla. Live here, I dare ya!

I meant to say denied not denounced.

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 Jan 31, 2013 at 02:22 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #79  
Santas Helper Says:

The part about comparing certain Zionists and Zionism to nazism is true, but they never denounced the holocaust!

Again yes they have by simply believing Zionism killed the 6 mil not Nazism. And let's forget, wars happen, people got sick & they died. The JP is an honest newspaper, that's where I read it first then married someone from Meah Sharim & learnt it first hand.

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