Brooklyn, NY – Allegations have been received by The Brooklyn district attorney Charles J. Hynes that shadowy members of the Va’ad HaTznius had invaded homes to seize computer equipment and also an iPad.
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The New York Times (is.gd/8HuhYA) reports that unknown members of the Va’ad also threatened a married man who was having an affair to pay the members money for what they describe as “therapy” or else he will be shamed publicly.
Members of the Va’ad consider themselves as “Gut’s polizei” according to Yosef Rapaport, a Hasidic journalist using the words for “God’s police.”.
Other threats were made by the Va’ad towards clothing stores on Lee Ave in Williamsburg over mannequins displaying women’s clothing.
Though these groups have long been existing in the Charedi community they only came into light with the trial of Nechemya Weberman.
Rabbi Allan Nadler, director of the Jewish studies program at Drew University in Madison, N.J, who testified in the Weberman case, said the Va’ad Hatznius actions have reverberated through the community for years. He also added that they continue operating without the tacit blessings of rabbinical leaders.
They need a Vaad Havaad
Who is suprised at their actions ? PEOPE WAKE UP
A Va’ad HaTznius is a very important thing a community should have.Such a Va’ad exists wherever there are frum Jewish community’s.A big problem becomes when the wrong people are in charge and they act overzealous without any common sense.
In Schluchan Aruch it is mentioned that each town should have guardians to watch over modesty so its nothing really new.But in this crazy day in age where every one with a mighty pen can spread rumors via the internet poking fun at anything about Judaism informing authorities about nothing,even a Va’ad with the right people makes frum Jews look like the Taliban’s.
These maniacs camaflouged as the “vaad” are no different than the towel heads we have all come to hate. I would like to see where in the “goitz polizei” handbook does it say its ok to extort money from people and steal!!
When discussing the members of the Vaad Hatznius it’s long been known that the rule of “Kol haposel b’mumo poseil” applies to each and every member of the the Vaad. Scratch a member and you’ll find plenty of dirt!
Finally— my blood boils hearing how people were stalked, and lives made miserable.
Now let the gossip begin !
The so called “Va’ad HaTznius” existed in practice without the official name for generations, However for many years it became a “political tool” to silence different opinions by different people! with silent treats of character flaw exposures to rhine in those who dare to speak out on any “other topic”! a sort of “character assasination” used by the self made.. powerful against the powerless.
ושבתי אני ואראה את כל העשוקים אשר נעשים תחת השמש והנה דמעת העשוקים! ואין להם מנחם, ומיד עשקיהם כח ואין להם מנחם” קהלת ד’ א
In a country were tolerance is the most important thing to coexist in harmony this vad puts all jews to shame,it is the exact opposite for what this country stands for.
Thanks to the NY TImes for highlighting this continuing problem in the BP an Willy communities…in fairness, the Agudah and Satmar organizations deny any linkage to these groups and correctly characterize them as self-appointed vigilantes. Hopefully, Hynes will identify and charge a few of these zealots and send them away for long prison terms along with Weberman et. al.
Is anyone surprised? This has been going on for years.
#3 – Where in the Schluchan Aruch does it say that “a town needs a guardians to watch over modesty”?
They case people out and stalk, drive in SUV’s to see when those who are a threat to them leave Wsbrg. They have very sophisticated lock-pickers and wall-climbers. They are EVIL BURGLARS.
For shame. Grown men breaking into the bedrooms of girls late at night. Are they checking the thickness of pajamas?
i recently heard a story where they took a picture of someone leaving a night club, then told him he had to come up with 20 thousand dollars overnight. A friend agreed to help him, told the vaad guy to meet him somewhere. He got the guy on hidden camera saying that 10,000 would be returned after a coupld of years but the other 10 was for them because “they have to live too”. The friend told him – what you are doing is backmail. If that picture ever comes out, YOU are going to jail for a long time. End of threat. Jail every one of these mamzerim. the leader of the group is already in jail. Head gangster Weberman.
It’s time for people to wake up and realize they belong to controlling cults.
There is such a thing in America as freedom of association. If someone does not like what their group is doing, they can leave it and start a new one. If they do not like the standards, there are other places to belong to. I wear a shtreimel etc but I do not live in a heimishe community because it is too much. I can go have my chizzuk from visiting for shabbos etc, or getting a brachah from a rebbe, etc without living in a ghetto.
The CHillul Hashem is that the wathers have made the orthodox community the watchee –
So what they are doing has defeated the purpose and have placed shame on the orthodox community – they are those who believe in the’Chumrah of the Week’
To get to this point of sickness in a community it takes a whole village to enable this the mentality that causes this behaviour
I never believed him (NR) whe he spoke about this problem. Is this for real? Unbelievable!!!
I am afraid a can of worms (dangerous ones) has been opened.
I’ll be watching.
When I lived in Brooklyn (late 1980s) someone came to me complaining that my wife’s shaitel was too long! I did actually tell him that if that is the case he should not look at my wife. He was smarter than to pursue the issue. He never bothered me again, one cannot be intimidated, I’m a BT with some military training which might have helped.
so the DA don’t sleep, lets see who will be his next Korben
If anyone has pictures of these vigilantes please post them all over the internet
The same “vaads” that terrorize parents with the schools.
No such thing. Just a bunch of yachnes spray painting billboards. Send them to Ohel.
The same “vaads” that terrorize parents with the schools.
Oh man is it about time to put these Klar’s and Weiser away for life, they tell the Ra-Bunim what the women can wear, which store sells real kosher clothing or magazine, what store can open in Williamsburg (let the DA go to cahnnel 11 WPIX and get the tape of the Lee Ave. shietel store and arrest all of them for harrasment), they created their own planning board where a jewish developer can build only for Jews and harrased meny of them with the full knowledge of the 90 Pct and did nothing. a total violation of the Housing rights.
there are many phone tapes of Shimon Weiser threatning a developer not to rent or sell to yuppies, the UJO fully behind it if you take a look at the Kol Korah (petition) signed by many Ra-Bunim who live on Government rent, so now the developers can jack up the price for our own people-which they did and do every day.
Shame on Law Enforcement they knew and know whats going on here, they closed their eyes and ears until our children are molested and then the wake up, they want to rewind years of humiliation and harrasemnet by these two thugs.
I’m writing this for all in the media and law enforcement to read, there will be more coming
they created a Vaad Hatznious with Shlomo Hertzg what a waste of a man
they created a Vaad Huiyar (city) not to rent or sell for yuppies
they created a Vaad Mismeras Habris (circumcision) and fooled all the Ra-Bunim
what they need to create is a Vaad Hamamzierim and put all the Ra-Bunim in this committee
Its in Hilchos Yom Tov the city should put people to watch when people are going to take a walk by the gardens becauae they have lot of free time
# 3 you are not better then the Nazis were . The Nazis did the same thing; they went in to houses and did what they wanted. I remember they threw us out of our house. Let’s see how you will feel when your daughter will be raped. vaad hatznius will go down this I know. I am warning all you satmar bums that the DA has already put in to place under cover people dressed up with beard and strings. They will get you and you and you will be together with Weberman in Rikers island.
Weberman was a low life and a drag. He thought the world is on his side. Where there is smoked there is fire. The girl did excellent job I was in the courtroom and sew how weberman didn’t even look at her. She stood up to this satmar drag and put him away for long time. I am married 59 years and never bought my wife lingerie. I am sure weberman did not buy it for his wife what a filthy pig he was.
Instead of intimidating, harassing people why don’t you guys get a job and earn honest day pay. It’s easy to loaf the day with nothing. You are a disgrace to the Jewish community and you will all suffer. Stealing money through section 8, programs, welfare, food stamps, laundering money, etc.
If Reb yoel teitelbaum ZTL would be here he would run back to his grave.
I remember him and he was a real erliche yid. Lost his family to the Nazis macshamom
UNFORTUNLY WE DON’T HAVE THESE GEDOLLIM ANYMORE AND THAT IS WHY TODAYS GENERATION AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL SUFFER BECAUSE GUYS LIKE vaad hatznius
GOOD LUCK SEE YOU IN THE NEWS
it’s a shame when a man doesnt have control over his own wife or daughters’ tznius, and must look at other women…look at yourself first before u condemn others.
I love it….especially the guy who quoted the rambam having no idea how to learn it out….way to distort torah …good job guys!
1. What is the context of the halacha…yom tov
2. Why yom tov….ervah isnt a problem otherwise?
3 No, bec. yom tov has a mitzvah of celebrating with wine
4. Oh, that makes so much sense….that’s why in the 1st half of the halacha the rambam brings down wine
5. He also mentions eating in the halacha…so odd that eating is ALSO a mitzvah on yom tov
6. Wait let’s be BRISKERS here for a second. PERHAPS THE “POLICE” ARE NOT A HALACHA IN TZNIUS BUT A HALACHA IN YOM TOV!
7. Wait you mean that would explain why this halacha is in holchos YOM TOV…yes
8. Wait…why is it in yom tov
9. OK but your BRISKER hats back on CHAZAL WERE WORRIED THAT THE MITZVOS HAYOM IE EATING AND DRINKING….MEANT TO BRING ONE CLOSER TO GOD WOULD END UP LEADING TO THE OPPOSITE…ITS A HERCHAKAH
10. Wait…you mean to tell me that the halacha is not trying to prevent illicit activity but is rather trying to mainain the kedusha of the HALACHIK SYSTEM…um YEAH
– would this not also explain at the end where he says in general the shotrim should WARN ppl…hmm atizah tovah perhaps
According to seculer law – there is no problem to commit adultry with a married women, there is no problem to be Gay.
Child molestation is a Major crime.
According to Jewish law Adultry with a married woman as well as adultry with a man require death penalty (although actual death penalty almost never actually happened becuase of all of the conditions of being convicted – it is a serious crime),
Child Molestaion is not a crime for itself anywhere in Shulchan Aruch.
Who’s side to you take?
Hynes or Rabbonim?
I guess Hynes – otherwise he will lock you up!
It is very simple.
Boruch Hashem we have a Constitution in the U.S. that protects our personal freedom and civil liberties.
No Va’ad should appoint itself the “law” or act as a regulating body and enforce their arbitrary rules or personal agenda through illegal means.
Is anyone checking refrigerators to make sure that no one is eating food that could according to some Mehadrin be of questionable kashrus ?
“The Gemara statets (sic.) that Bachelors should not teach because of the mothers of the children that come to the school.”
You don’t read very well, do you? If you would have made the effort to read my entire post, you would have seen:
“Even though it is not the מסקנא, the גמרא does say that the reason for this might be אילימא משום ינוקי, which clearly shows that molesting children in the eyes of חז”ל, is in fact, a crime!”
The point is child molestation is אסור!
the need for a religious KGB shows that hypocrisy is prevalent in those communities…
I always thought that religion was between the individual and hashem. Why would anyone else want to meddle?
Should any sort of modesty police (thinking they are holier than me and, as such have the right to tell me what I can and can’t do) ever think to knock on my door, to your information…I will use my baseball bat to beat the living hell out of you!!!
I am frum and there will always be people frummer than I, this should mean though that they should be given the right to impose their interpretation of Yiddishkeit on me or any other individual member of Klal Yisroel.
It’s the same story than those who think that the internet is bad, or that women shouldn’t drive, etc…
We, for example, don’t believe that a women wearing a wig is considered being properly or convered at all, but we never go out insulting women or their husbands or putting up posters, distributing fliers, etc…
At the end every Yid has to account to Hashem alone, ONLY HASHEM, so this sort modesty police, gardien or however you want to call them, should get the hint and take a hike! Another way for those ultra-fashist, so called Charedim to impose their dictatorship and controle upon the true faithfull!
Everything in the extreme is bad and there is no excuse! I am sick of people always trying to use and misquote!