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Williamsburg, NY - Tragedy Claims Lives Of Expectant Parents In Brooklyn; NYPD Looking For Driver Who Fled

Published on: March 3, 2013 12:14 AM
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Police on the scene of the accident investigating on Feb 3 2013. Photo: Shimon GifterPolice on the scene of the accident investigating on Feb 3 2013. Photo: Shimon Gifter

Williamsburg, NY -  Funeral services will be held this afternoon for the young Williamsburg couple whose lives were tragically cut short as they were en route to a hospital to deal with a pregnancy related issue, as previously reported on VIN News.

Both Nachman and Raizy Glauber were killed after a 2010 BMW sedan slammed into the livery cab they were riding in, according to reports in The Daily News.  While the expectant parents, aged 21 years old, both died at local hospitals, doctors at Bellevue Hospital were able to deliver the Glaubers’ son by emergency c-section.

Mrs. Glauber was reportedly nearing the end of her second trimester and the couple was on their way to nearby Long Island College Hospital at the time of the accident. The four pound baby is said to be in serious condition and the public is asked to daven for Tinok ben Raizel.

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The accident took place at 12:30 AM, according to police reports, and the Glaubers were in a 2008 black Toyota Camry traveling west on Wilson Street when their vehicle was struck by the speeding BMW, which was traveling north on Kent Avenue.  Both the driver of the BMW and a passenger fled the scene on foot and police reportedly identified the pair to 1010 WINS as a man and a woman.

No arrests have been made as of yet and detectives at Brooklyn’s 90th Precinct told VIN News that no details will be released at this time due to the ongoing nature of the investigation.

According to reports on CBS News, the unidentified driver of the livery cab survived the crash and called 911 immediately following the collision. Mrs. Glauber was thrown from the car by the force of the impact which was so severe that it sent the mangled Toyota spinning into the median, with the pregnant woman landing under a tractor trailer that was parked nearby.  Both the cab driver and Nachman Glauber were pinned to the car and first responders had to cut the roof off the Camry in order to extricate the two.  Nachman Glauber died at Beth Israel Hospital while the cab driver was taken to Bellevue Hospital where he is listed in stable condition.

“I wasn’t there when it happened, but I was nearby and when I saw the fire department and Jewish ambulances coming, I ran over,” eyewitness Shulem Amram told VIN News.  “The fire department had to cut open the car.  They took off the windshield and the roof and took the male out of the car and laid him down. A few seconds later, they noticed the woman lying under the tractor trailer.”

Amram, a 19 year old yeshiva student who lives in Williamsburg, received emergency training as part of his certification as a Water Safety Instructor.  He performed CPR on Glauber along with members of Hatzalah.

“He was fully unconscious and wasn’t responding at all.  I tried my best but we lost him.”

The funeral for the young couple, who had been married for just one year, is scheduled to take place at 2:00 this afternoon at the main Satmar synagogue in Williamsburg at 152 Rodney Street.

 

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1

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:13 AM Anonymous Says:

i heard husband and baby passed away! anyone know more updates???

2

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:19 AM Truthforever Says:

Omg! No words!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:20 AM lalakishkish Says:

HASHEM YERACHAIM!!!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:26 AM Anonymous Says:

baruch dein emes, very very sad.

5

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:29 AM splinter Says:

any updates?

6

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:29 AM lookatyou Says:

Not a normal story, hashem help!

7

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:29 AM oyway Says:

BDH omg

8

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:34 AM Oy Nebech Says:

I heard that the Parents are dead, but that the baby may be alive. Unconfirmed at the moment.

10

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:35 AM stamm Says:

Reply to #6  
lookatyou Says:

Not a normal story, hashem help!

In the past two years we are hearing abnormal horrible stories. yes, Hashem please!!!

11

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:39 AM Pimpernuter Says:

Unbearable! What a tragedy!
Hashem! עד מתי

12

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:41 AM PowerUp Says:

I'm beyond words.

13

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:42 AM DRE53 Says:

I'm in total shock and my hands are shivering while posting this comment.
Hamokom yenachem eschem we should be able to overcome this, and especially the families of the niftorim

15

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:57 AM Queenie Says:

Parents nebach passed away. Baby is alive and hopefully will make it.
Hashem Yerachem. May we have an end to all these tragedies with the coming of Moshiach bb"a

16

 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:57 AM DoctorD Says:

I'm wondering if all those sobbing posters here will do ONE thing different after they wake up tommorow…

17

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:02 AM GOPer Says:

השם ירחם All the reacent story's are a wake up call

18

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:13 AM Mystery_guy Says:

Couple were in a car service when hit by a BMW the driver of BMW fled the scene by foot

19

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:17 AM family Says:

Nachman and raizy, the most precious couple ever, extraordinary nice people, soft spoken and always a beaming smile. This story is beyond imagination. Hashem yeracheim

20

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:19 AM Gitmurgen Says:

oi hashem yerachem in zchus of reb elimelech mlizensk (yurtzeit now) should the child make it and leave over nice doires

21

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:29 AM Wow Says:

Which glauber is this? What's the girls maiden name?

22

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:38 AM frumgal Says:

Hashem should comfort the families. What a horrific tragedy.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:39 AM BROOKLYNNY Says:

Reply to #21  
Wow Says:

Which glauber is this? What's the girls maiden name?

Silberstien, father is Yitzchok ben nusen duvid from the shar hatorha shull on hooper St.

24

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:44 AM ek-velt Says:

He is Glauber from Monsey who owns GG clothing. She is Silberstein from 115 Clymer Street in WB. Please say tehillim for the baby boy who is in critical condition.

25

 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:48 AM 1daastorah Says:

BDE. Mah Nomar Umah Nedaber nachpeso derocheinu venoshuvo!!!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:13 AM Gitmurgen Says:

Early report from 90pct: Hit and Run Driver of BMW involved in Glauber accident was heavily intoxicated, speed is estimated at over 60mph.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:15 AM Moishela Elul 5771 (Sept 16 ’11) Says:

Know How to Mourn the Destruction of the Bais Hamikdosh...

I want you to know why I took the Sefer Chessed Shel Emes (a Sefer on Hilchos Aveilus) out of the book shelf.

In the next span of time we are going to see the deaths of many Jews, Chas VeSholom, Hashem Yishmor, and we must know how to deal with it. Also the Tzaar of the Shechina is great, and the mourning at the Kossel, over the Bais HaMikdosh has been neglected terribly. People come and go, frolicking in unseemly ways in not Tzniusdik clothing or actions with out a care in the world. It’s become a sight seeing place for the masses and I must cry and we all must cry for the Tzaar of the Shechina that must observe this orgy daily and nightly. We must know how to mourn our dear Bais HaMikdosh and to beg Hashem to bring the Geulah.

We’ll have to mourn many Korbonos in Am Yisroel not just in Eretz Yisroel but also in the whole world. The future is very hard but the true Jews will survive. Not every Jew that dies before the Geula can be deemed not a true Jew, but in the end the ones that greet Moshiach will be true Jews. The true Jews that died before the Geula will come back in Techias Hamaisim.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:37 AM Big-Masmid Says:

נחפשה דרכינו ונחקורה

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:50 AM G&G Says:

MI SHEUMAR LEOLUMOY DAI, YOMAR LETZUROSINY DAI!
Very sad night/weekend. 4 heimishe fatalities… Glauber couple tonite in willi, 14 yr old boy hirsch in monroe Friday & 19 yr old landau in bklyn thursday

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 06:19 AM I will try to wake up this time- It's to much already Says:

ברוך דיין האמת---קשה קשה קשה וכואב מאוד רבותי ! פלגי מים ירדו עיני על שריפת קדושים וטהורים

לא מבינים מה שעשה הקב"ה, אבל אנחנו יהודים מאמינים בני מאמינים וצריכים להאמין בלב שלם שהכל בא מד' יתברך שמו, הקב"ה ינחם אותנו בקרוב, ד' בחר בהם כקרבן ציבור ועכשיו אנחנו מחויבים לשוב בתשובה שלמה לד' בלב שלם

כתוב בספרים הקדושים, שאלמלי היינו עושים רצונו של מקום ושומרים מצוותיו, אז היתה הגאולה מתוך עשירות וגדולה ושמחה, אבל בעת שנהיה בבחינת אין עושין רצונו של מקום ח"ו – תהיה הגאולה מוכרחת להיות מתוך תוקף הצרות ודחקות ועניות ר"ל, מפני שאלו הצרות ישלימו הזכות שהיתה צריך להיות לנו על ידי שמירת התורה והמצות. המשיח מחכה לראות אם אנחנו באמת מחכים לו

קשה לדבר, וקשה לחשוב עיני עיני יורדה מים..... "יה"ר מלפניך שומע קול בכיות שתשים דמעותינו בנודך להיות ותצילנו מכל גזרות קשות ואכזריות" לא להרהר אחר מידותיו של הבורא יתברך, הקדוש ברוך הוא כי כל מה שעושה לטובה הוא עושה

אנחנו צריכים רק להתחזק כל אחד "אפילו במשהו קטן" לדוגמא- לקום בבוקר בזמן כדי להספיק זמן ק"ש של מג"א וזמן של הגר"א עם ברכות ק"ש, להתפלל שחרית לפני סוף זמן תפלה!!!! ללמוד אחרי התפילה יותר מהרגיל. לחזק הצניעות!!! וכך נזכה שהגאולה תגיע מתוך רחמים וחסדים גמורים, ושהקב"ה יעבור מכסא דין לכסא רחמים

I will try Davening early

31

 Mar 03, 2013 at 06:49 AM miri613 Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

i heard husband and baby passed away! anyone know more updates???

both parents were niftar and the drs are trying to save the baby's life

32

 Mar 03, 2013 at 07:27 AM Conscience Says:

Friday thursday now sunday , perhaps perhaps ,gevald in geshrigen , perhaps
Perhaps we are to mend our ways to truth , to conscience , no words , אבער מיר ווייסען דוך מאתו לא תצא הרעות פון הייליגען באשעפער עס גייט נישט קיין שלעכטס
So perhaps on a mass scale each and one of us the master of the world שובו שובו מדרכיכם הרעים oy in truth , in truth we are nebech so tormented already זיסער טאטע און הימעל וויפיל אונזער צער אבער דיין צער ע

33

 Mar 03, 2013 at 07:28 AM Anonymous Says:

It's barely a week from Purim, but it feels as if we were in the 9 days. On Thursday evening a Bucher passed out into cardiac arrest at a wedding in the Continental Hall, on Friday another Bucher suddenly passed away at home in Kiryas Yoel after seizing in the shower, and now this tragic accident...

34

 Mar 03, 2013 at 07:30 AM what is Hashem asking us for? Says:

נחפשה דרכינו ונחקורה!!!כולם צריכים להתעורר בתשובה אחרי אסון כזה

35

 Mar 03, 2013 at 07:49 AM Anonymous Says:

One doesnt need to be Hebrew to realize what a terrible terrible thing has happened. May they rest in peace.. And may the baby get better and know that his parents loved them.

36

 Mar 03, 2013 at 07:56 AM Dwight_Schrute Says:

Reply to #16  
DoctorD Says:

I'm wondering if all those sobbing posters here will do ONE thing different after they wake up tommorow…

I agree with you 100%

37

 Mar 03, 2013 at 07:59 AM billclinton Says:

Lets make peace with each other lets feel someone else pain, and true joy with someone else שמחה, let's stop all לשון הרע and hatred on another Jew.

It's time to unite with each other.

38

 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:10 AM KatieSW Says:

My heart goes out to the community and the family of these young parents. The tragedy of a child growing up without their parent is heartbreaking.

39

 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:21 AM Anonymous Says:

When will the NYPD finally crack down on speeders racing through our neighborhoods? Even our crown jewel Hatzaloh was powerless to save this young couple, may the newborn be zocha to make them proud. R'L

40

 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:30 AM heisaneis Says:

25, what do you need
טאטע אין הימל,
איך גלייב באמונה שלימה אז אלעס וואס דו טוסט איז לטובה,

טאטע אין הימל,
איך גלייב באמונה שלימה אז אלעס וואס דו טוסט האט א גערעכטע חשבון,

טאטע אין הימל,
איך גלייב אבער אויך באמונה שלימה אז דו האסט זייער שטארק ליב כלל ישראל, בחרת אותנו מכל האומות. ווען א טאטע האט א קינד א יאר נאך די חתונה, איז ער זייער פרייליך. אבער ווען א טאטע האט א קינד 10 יאר נאך די חתונה, איז זיין שמחה און ליבשאפט צום קינד פילפאכיג מער. טאטע אין הימל, פאר איבער צוויי טויזענט יאר האסטו דיר געדרייט און זיך געבעטן אז איינער זאל אננעמען דיין תורה, קיינער האט נישט געוואלט חוץ אונז אידעלעך. דיין ליבשאפט צו אונז איז דאך דעריבער אין לשער.

אבער טאטע אין הימל,
מיר פרעגן נישט חס ושלום פארוואס, מיר ווייסן אז מיר פארשטיין נישט די גאנצע בילד, אבער עס טוט דאך אזוי וויי. ווי אזוי האט רבי לוי יצחק געטייטשט? הראינו השם את חסדיך! ווייז אונז דיינע חסדים, אז אפילו א פרוי אין קאך זאל פארשטיין אז עס חסדים.

טייערע טאטע אין הימל,
שוין 3300 יאר וואס מ׳פייניגט אונז, מ׳שלאגט אונז, עס וועט קיינעם גארנישט העלפן, מיר בלייבן פאר דיר געטריי. אבער מיר בעטן זיך, ביטע דו שלאג אונז נישט, עס טוט אסאך מער וויי. קיינער האט דיר נישט אזוי ליב אויף די וועלט ווי אונז, שלאג אונז נישט!!

טייערע טאטע אין הימל,
עס איז האלב דריי ביינאכט, כלל ישראל איז צושאסן און צובראכן, רוב פון אונז קען אפילו נישט דאס קאפל, אבער אונזער הארץ גייט אויס פאר זיי. אוי לאב שמכה את בנו, וועלכע טאטע וויל אז אלע זיינע קינדער זאלן זיין צושאסן? אונז וועלן דיר ליב האבן אייביג און ווייזן דאס א גאנצע צייט, אבער ביטע, ביטע! ווייז אונז אויך דיין ליבשאפט צו אונז.

טאטע אין הימל,
השבינו השם אליך ונשיבה, אבער מיט ליבשאפט ביטע!!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:31 AM heisaneis Says:

דער הסתר פנים איז גרויס.
געוואלד ווי האלט מען דאס אויס.
אזעלכע שרעקליכע בשורות מ'הערט. די מנוחה ווערט צושטערט.
סכאפט א פחד א שרעק.
אזא יונג בחורל פאלט אוועק.
אינמיטן א חתונה אן עת משוש.
די צער פון די עלטערן זענען אזוי גרויס.
א געשמאק בחורל מלא חן ס'פעהלט אים גארנישט.
גייט צו א חתונה געזונט און פריש.
פאלט צוזאם פון איין מינוט צום צווייטען.
נאך איידער ווי וואס ווען, מ'טוט אים שוין צום בית עולם באגלייטען.
די עלטערן נעבעך, ס'איז נישט מעגליך צו פארשטיין.
די צער וואס זיי טוען נעבעך דורכגיין.
אזא שוידערליכע זאך האט זיי פלוצלונג געטראפען.
די וואונד וועט זיי אייביג בלייבען אפען.

סתם המון עם וואס טוען די מעשה הערן.
קענען זיך נישט העלפען און פארלאזען אפאר טרערן.
יעדער לויפט צו צו די אייגענע קינדער און א קוש טוט מען געבן.
אוי טאטע אין הימל האלט אויף זייי דיין רעכטע האנט און געב זיי געזונט און לעבן.
יעדער אידס הארץ טוט פון די מעשה קלעמען.
און עפעס א דבר טוב טוט מען זיך אונטערנעמען.
מ'ווינטש זיך אז מ'זאל נאר הערן גוטע זאכען.
און צום הייליגען שבת טוט מען זיך גרייט מאכען.

דער שבת איז שוין פאריבער.
און דא פלוצים א פרישע קלאפ פארן ציבור.
א שרעקליכע שרעקליכע בשורה טוט פון וויליאמסבורג ארויסקומען.
א יונג פארפאלק זענען ליידער טראגיש אומגעקומען.
ס'טוט נעבעך אזוי וויי, יעדעם'ס הארץ דאס רירט.
ווען מ'הערט די טראגישע איינצעלהייטען וואס האט נעבעך פאסירט.
א יונג פארפאלק אויף א שמחה האבן זיי זיך גערישט מיט פרייד.
מ'רופט א קאר סערוויס, אין שפיטאל מ'גייט.
זייערע געפיהלן קען מען זיך לייכט פארשטעלן.
זיי זענען נערוועיז, אבער האפן בקרוב נחת צו קוועלן.
אבער ליידער ליידער, פון הימל האט מען אנדערש געפיהרט.
און ס'האט ליידער די שרעקליכע טראגעדיע פאסירט.

אוי ס'הערשט א חרון אף ס'הערשט א צארן.
אזא יונג איידעלע פארפאלק איז נעבעך פארשניטן געווארען.
מיט דאס קינד וואס האט פאסירט איז נישט קלאר.
ס'הערשט א צימישעניש, קיינער ווייסט נישט וואס גייט פאר.
ווער ס'הערט דאס ווערט דערציטערט.
יודן איבעראל זענען ציבראכען און דערשיטערט.
יודן וואס האבן דאס פארפאלק קיינמאל נישט געקענט.
פארקלאפן מיט צער זייערע הענט.
אוי עיני עיני ירדה מים.
אז אנשטאט ביי א זכר אדער ביי א קידוש זיי צו ווינטשען לחיים.
באגלייט מען זיי נעבעך צום בית החיים.

אוי טייערע יודן ס'הערשט א חרון אף.
א חשבון הנפש מאכען יעדע איד עס דארף.
אוי טאטע אין הימל ווי האלט מען דאס אויס.
די הסתרת פנים איז ליידער אזוי גרויס.
טאטע אין הימל מיר פארשטייען נישט דיינע וועגן.
און מיר טוען חלילה נישט קיין קשיות פרעגן.
אפילו אין די שווערע מינוטן.
גלייבען מיר טאטע אז אלעס איז צום גוטן.
אפילו ווען מיר פארשטייען נישט וואס גייט פאר.
גלייבען מיר אז אלעס האט א חשבון קלאר.
טאטע מיר פרעגן טאקע נישט קיין שאלות, אבער בעטן ווילן מיר יא פון דיר.
טאטע גענוג! וויפיהל איז די שיעור.
טאטע, מיר זענען אזוי פארגרעבט מיר האבן קליינע מוחות.
איבערצוטראגען די אלע גזירות האבן מיר נישט די כוחות.
טאטע עפן אונזערע אויגן, גל עיני ואביטה.
אונז זאל מיר זעהן דיינע חסדים די גוטע.
הראני ה' חסדיך וישעך תתן.
אונז זאל מיר זעהן מיט אונזערע פליישיגע אויגען אז אלעס איז צום גוטן.
און דעם זכות פונעם היינטיגען יארצייט פונעם הייליגען ר' אלימלך.
זאל דער היינטיגער טאג זיך נאך ענדיגען פרייליך.
די אלע משפחות זאלען אויפגעראכטען ווערן.
און דעם שופר של משיח זאל מען שוין הערן.
אמן.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:36 AM Conscience Says:

Its my dearest uncle
ווען מענטשן זאלען וויסען ווער דער איד איז
א איד וואס לערנט תורה לשמה איז מקיים כיבוד אם אויף א שלימותדיגען אופן

אויסגערעכענט מיט יעדעס ווארט
רעדט נישט קיין איבעריג ווארט טייערע אידישע ברודער הארציגע אידישע שוועסטער
מען פאדערט מען פאדערט ווי איז דאס אויסציהאלטען
ווי קען מען דאס אויסהאלטען
ווי לאזט זיך אזא צער
אזא ווייטאג צי זעהן
אזא הייליגער אינגערמאנן א איד אפגעהיטען און איז נישט מסיח דעת איין מינוט פון בוכ״ע
אפשר אפשר נאר איין
נאר איין זאך
דער רבוש״ע
איי טאטע און הימעל
דער רבוש״ע ער זיכט נעבעך זיין צער כביכול
ער זוכט א אמתדיגען פריינד
זיין צער זיין ווייטאג מיטצוטטיילען
איז. בקרובי אקדש
אזא וואוילע יידעלע נשמה דע צדיקת רייזעלע
און איר מאן עהרליך באשיידען
די ווערטער ווי לייכטזיניג
אז עס רעדט זיך אפילו .
מען געפינט ביי יוסף הצדיק
מען געפינט ויתן את קולו בבכי
מען קען נישט רעדן נישטא
די ווערטער

נאר אז עס איז מיינע חטאים
דער רבוש״ע ער זוכט א קרבן
אבער עס ברויך זיין א קרבן תמים אהן א מום
שומו לבבכם זאגט דער נביא
אבער נעבעך דאס כלל ישרא-ל אונז זענען שוין אזוי צובראכען שבר אחר שבר

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:37 AM volfe Says:

קיינער ווייסט נישט פארוואס אין פאר ווען השי״ת האט דאס געטוהן צו אונז אין די נאכט פון די יארצייט פון א פועל ישועות ר אלימלך זי״ע נסתרים דרכי השם..... אבער איין זאך יא והחי יתן אל לבו טאקע אויף די מעסעדזש גראפס ווי מען הערט אין זעהט אלע נייעס דארף מען זיך אינטערנעמן נישט שרייבען אדער שיקן אוימאויסגעהאלטענע זאכן צו איז דאס לשון הרע רכילות שנאת חנם ניבול פה וכדומה אין און דעים זכות זאלן די נשמות האבן אן עליה אין מיר זאלען אלע צוזאמען זוכה זיין צו ביאת גואל צדק בב״א

טאטע אין הימל,
איך גלייב באמונה שלימה אז אלעס וואס דו טוסט איז לטובה,

טאטע אין הימל,
איך גלייב באמונה שלימה אז אלעס וואס דו טוסט האט א גערעכטע חשבון,

טאטע אין הימל,
איך גלייב אבער אויך באמונה שלימה אז דו האסט זייער שטארק ליב כלל ישראל, בחרת אותנו מכל האומות. ווען א טאטע האט א קינד א יאר נאך די חתונה, איז ער זייער פרייליך. אבער ווען א טאטע האט א קינד 10 יאר נאך די חתונה, איז זיין שמחה און ליבשאפט צום קינד פילפאכיג מער. טאטע אין הימל, פאר איבער צוויי טויזענט יאר האסטו דיר געדרייט און זיך געבעטן אז איינער זאל אננעמען דיין תורה, קיינער האט נישט געוואלט חוץ אונז אידעלעך. דיין ליבשאפט צו אונז איז דאך דעריבער אין לשער.

אבער טאטע אין הימל,
מיר פרעגן נישט חס ושלום פארוואס, מיר ווייסן אז מיר פארשטיין נישט די גאנצע בילד, אבער עס טוט דאך אזוי וויי. ווי אזוי האט רבי לוי יצחק געטייטשט? הראינו השם את חסדיך! ווייז אונז דיינע חסדים, אז אפילו א פרוי אין קאך זאל פארשטיין אז עס חסדים.

טייערע טאטע אין הימל,
שוין 3300 יאר וואס מ׳פייניגט אונז, מ׳שלאגט אונז, עס וועט קיינעם גארנישט העלפן, מיר בלייבן פאר דיר געטריי. אבער מיר בעטן זיך, ביטע דו שלאג אונז נישט, עס טוט אסאך מער וויי. קיינער האט דיר נישט אזוי ליב אויף די וועלט ווי אונז, שלאג אונז נישט!!

טייערע טאטע אין הימל,
עס איז האלב דריי ביינאכט, כלל ישראל איז צושאסן און צובראכן, רוב פון אונז קען אפילו נישט דאס קאפל, אבער אונזער הארץ גייט אויס פאר זיי. אוי לאב שמכה את בנו, וועלכע טאטע וויל אז אלע זיינע קינדער זאלן זיין צושאסן? אונז וועלן דיר ליב האבן אייביג און ווייזן דאס א גאנצע צייט, אבער ביטע, ביטע! ווייז אונז אויך דיין ליבשאפט צו אונז.

טאטע אין הימל,
השבינו השם אליך ונשיבה, אבער מיט ליבשאפט ביטע!!!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:32 AM Enough Already Says:

I am a grown man, and this horrific story has reduced me to tears. The most we can all do now, is pray for the souls of the departed and pray for the survival and health of the baby.BDE

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Can someone please translate the Hebrew posts. We could use the chizuk. BDE for these parents I am sickened and horrified by it.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:51 AM BROOKLYNNY Says:

Reply to #21  
Wow Says:

Which glauber is this? What's the girls maiden name?

Silberstien, father is Yitzchok ben nusen duvid from the shar hatorha shull on hooper St.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:55 AM LindaAT Says:

I am so saddened by this tragedy. I am not Jewish but I deeply know the pain of this type of sense-less accident. I pray for everyone in pain because of this horrific crash..I pray for the doctors and nurses treating that little baby...I pray for the driver to come forward...my church prays for the entire community and the spiritual leaders who care for you...

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:59 AM PaulinSaudi Says:

I do not have any words big enough to express my sorrow. A horrid thing to read this afternoon.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:00 AM heyward Says:

Name of the the baby ? to say Tehilim for his speedy recovery

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:00 AM Until When Says:

Hab Rachmonus. Ad Mossia!
It breaks heart to see a family wiped out in one night.
Why do we need to see one story after another!

Maybe there should a war against on people becoming drunk during weekends - just like the recent war on guns

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:04 AM ChareidiMan Says:

Any other good ideas you have at this time? Look at the pictures and not even 5 seat belts wouldve made a difference!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:16 AM Queenbee Says:

Reply to #48  
LindaAT Says:

I am so saddened by this tragedy. I am not Jewish but I deeply know the pain of this type of sense-less accident. I pray for everyone in pain because of this horrific crash..I pray for the doctors and nurses treating that little baby...I pray for the driver to come forward...my church prays for the entire community and the spiritual leaders who care for you...

Thank you for your very kind post.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:19 AM Conscience Says:

Perhaps we wiil humbly make light of the hebrew
What people , what a people
To a tradition so sacred beholden
What they are trying to express
It is a sorrow
In where the sole understanding
Is that
The master
The creator
That it is with a pain very with him intimate
The riboyne shel oylum
He is looking he is
Kivyochul in need
Of a loyal unconditional
And devout friend
Similarly we find by avraham avinu
Hasem the master says
About him
Hamechase anni mavruhum oyhavi?
Then will i hide
Then will i obfiscate
From avraham my most beloved?
So in truth
It begs to wonder
How come if avraham he is your
Most beloved , then how come
Gevald in geshrigen
Then how come
Then how come to reveal to him such sorrow
Such affliction
Why to share with him
The torment
The relentless exile
His progeny is about to befall
Why why-to
, but perhaps
Perhaps precious brothers and sisters
Perhaps
Its the othe other way
Perhaps its the other way around
Kivyachul , the riboyne shelolem
He wants , he desires one, his suffering to share with
One his tsaar hashchina to empathize with
Is theriboyne sheloylum he says
Hamechassa ani mavruhum oyhavi
Here
Here i have
One
One whos fealty. Whos loyalty
It is sealed for eternity
No longerit is challanged
I know his every breath
It is a kiddush hashem
It is astute steadfast
His covelant bont with truth with emes
Is , then let me share my pain
Then let me perhaps
Share with him
Fore i know it is only
That he will further with me
Be of comfort
And perhaps tsooras rabim chutzi nechuma
A sorrow in communion it is half of comfort
Sweet sweet klal yisroe-l
Only to say
It is
That in essence
Words
They are none but sheer arrogance
We find by yossef hatsadik
Oy gevald
We find
When he met the brothers
And vayitain es koyloy bivchee
He gave his voice with a wail with a cry
Perhaps
Perhaps at this time
In order to meetreal
Achdus
True אחו׳
Perhaps words they are rather inferior
Do we really feel
Tothe point where only tears where solelya cry
Couldexplain?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:20 AM Briskerrav Says:

Reply to #16  
DoctorD Says:

I'm wondering if all those sobbing posters here will do ONE thing different after they wake up tommorow…

Are you any different? If you have any suggestions please tell us. Stop judging other people.

There simply are no words

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:22 AM Rifka Says:

Thank you Linda for your kind words, may your prayers be heard, and may you know of no more pain

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:28 AM emesveyatziv Says:

to volfe
very nice, but i have 2 comments
you say אבער שלאג אונז נישט אזוי ווי כאילו אונז פארשטיין מיר צו מען דארף יא אדער נישט שלאגען.
It sounds like you are a mechanech telling a parent don't hit your child its not the right way
But we are talking about Hashem I dont think such comments are approprate If hashem hits our reaction must be to learn a lesson not to say we are so good so don't hit any more
comment # 2
of course its a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I don't think it should be understood that Hashem is punnishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddned when we hear such news but it doesn't seem to be a gzeira on the klal
also because this was an action by a bal bchira ut doesn't necessarily mean that Hashem was even punnihing at all this is a deep hashkafic issue best left for gedolim to deal with

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:32 AM Big Masmid Says:

Reply to #48  
LindaAT Says:

I am so saddened by this tragedy. I am not Jewish but I deeply know the pain of this type of sense-less accident. I pray for everyone in pain because of this horrific crash..I pray for the doctors and nurses treating that little baby...I pray for the driver to come forward...my church prays for the entire community and the spiritual leaders who care for you...

Thank you so much for thinking of us. May the almighty give you lots of good luck.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:33 AM farrockgrandma Says:

Reply to #52  
ChareidiMan Says:

Any other good ideas you have at this time? Look at the pictures and not even 5 seat belts wouldve made a difference!

what part of 'thrown from the car' don't you understand? and the driver survived.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:36 AM Don't Forget............ Says:

Reply to #48  
LindaAT Says:

I am so saddened by this tragedy. I am not Jewish but I deeply know the pain of this type of sense-less accident. I pray for everyone in pain because of this horrific crash..I pray for the doctors and nurses treating that little baby...I pray for the driver to come forward...my church prays for the entire community and the spiritual leaders who care for you...

Don't Forget that Hashem is crying with us, but it's still up to us to speed up the arrival of Moshiach by improving our standard of doing Mitzvos.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:37 AM Levi Says:

Reply to #48  
LindaAT Says:

I am so saddened by this tragedy. I am not Jewish but I deeply know the pain of this type of sense-less accident. I pray for everyone in pain because of this horrific crash..I pray for the doctors and nurses treating that little baby...I pray for the driver to come forward...my church prays for the entire community and the spiritual leaders who care for you...

it's so nice of you to pray for us, lets try to pray for each other all of the time

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:49 AM commonsense99 Says:

Reply to #50  
heyward Says:

Name of the the baby ? to say Tehilim for his speedy recovery

He does not have a name yet, he didnt have a bris yet

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
DoctorD Says:

I'm wondering if all those sobbing posters here will do ONE thing different after they wake up tommorow…

yea, like ignoring your nonsense.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:54 AM think Says:

when did u last see an adult seat belted in the back of a car. and did u have any kids is it even possible to seat belt on the way going in?? so stop being like these fools that think they have life figured out and know a reason to everything. u dont!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
heyward Says:

Name of the the baby ? to say Tehilim for his speedy recovery

Probably "Rach HaNolad ben Raizel" would be my best guess since he obviously will not have had his bris at this point.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:58 AM ferret Says:

terrible!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Anybody know who's fault it was the car service driver or the other driver ?? And what's the condition of the car service driver ??

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:08 AM chaim11691 Says:

are they related to the glaubers from the jewelry store in bp??

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:08 AM proud-mo-israeli Says:

I am very sorry for this loss of a family

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:09 AM שגגת תלמוד Says:

Reply to #16  
DoctorD Says:

I'm wondering if all those sobbing posters here will do ONE thing different after they wake up tommorow…

!ידאגו כל האחין כולן, אחד מבני חבורה שמת תדאג כל החבורה כולה
שבת ק"ו -

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:27 AM ek-velt Says:

They say for tehillim to say hakenoyt ben raizel. He is in very serious condition and needs our tefillos. His mother can't pray for him.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:43 AM חמור גרם Says:

Reply to #57  
emesveyatziv Says:

to volfe
very nice, but i have 2 comments
you say אבער שלאג אונז נישט אזוי ווי כאילו אונז פארשטיין מיר צו מען דארף יא אדער נישט שלאגען.
It sounds like you are a mechanech telling a parent don't hit your child its not the right way
But we are talking about Hashem I dont think such comments are approprate If hashem hits our reaction must be to learn a lesson not to say we are so good so don't hit any more
comment # 2
of course its a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I don't think it should be understood that Hashem is punnishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddned when we hear such news but it doesn't seem to be a gzeira on the klal
also because this was an action by a bal bchira ut doesn't necessarily mean that Hashem was even punnihing at all this is a deep hashkafic issue best left for gedolim to deal with

"שלאג אונז נישט אזוי ווי כאילו אונז פארשטיין מיר צו מען דארף יא אדער נישט שלאגען"

! ד' אל באפּך תוכיחני, ואל בּחמתך תיסרני

! פנה נא אל התלאות ואל לחטאות, צדק צועקיך מפליא פלאות, קשוב נא חינונם, אלוקים

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:25 AM Eli Says:

תניא רבי יוסי בן אלישע אומר אם ראית דור שצרות רבות באות עליו צא ובדוק בדייני ישראל שכל פורענות שבאה לעולם לא באה אלא בשביל דייני ישראל. שבת קלט א'.

http://he.wikisource.org/wiki/שבת_קלט_א

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:22 AM Jehoiakim Says:

Praying for baby Glauber. Please post if there is to be a fund set up for him!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:52 AM shredready Says:

truly tragic hope the child is ok

there needs to be harsher penalties for drunk drivers regardless if they get into an accident

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:15 AM BLONDI Says:

nebach. shocking. may the families get through this. guess we all need to have more compassion for orphans...

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
heisaneis Says:

דער הסתר פנים איז גרויס.
געוואלד ווי האלט מען דאס אויס.
אזעלכע שרעקליכע בשורות מ'הערט. די מנוחה ווערט צושטערט.
סכאפט א פחד א שרעק.
אזא יונג בחורל פאלט אוועק.
אינמיטן א חתונה אן עת משוש.
די צער פון די עלטערן זענען אזוי גרויס.
א געשמאק בחורל מלא חן ס'פעהלט אים גארנישט.
גייט צו א חתונה געזונט און פריש.
פאלט צוזאם פון איין מינוט צום צווייטען.
נאך איידער ווי וואס ווען, מ'טוט אים שוין צום בית עולם באגלייטען.
די עלטערן נעבעך, ס'איז נישט מעגליך צו פארשטיין.
די צער וואס זיי טוען נעבעך דורכגיין.
אזא שוידערליכע זאך האט זיי פלוצלונג געטראפען.
די וואונד וועט זיי אייביג בלייבען אפען.

סתם המון עם וואס טוען די מעשה הערן.
קענען זיך נישט העלפען און פארלאזען אפאר טרערן.
יעדער לויפט צו צו די אייגענע קינדער און א קוש טוט מען געבן.
אוי טאטע אין הימל האלט אויף זייי דיין רעכטע האנט און געב זיי געזונט און לעבן.
יעדער אידס הארץ טוט פון די מעשה קלעמען.
און עפעס א דבר טוב טוט מען זיך אונטערנעמען.
מ'ווינטש זיך אז מ'זאל נאר הערן גוטע זאכען.
און צום הייליגען שבת טוט מען זיך גרייט מאכען.

דער שבת איז שוין פאריבער.
און דא פלוצים א פרישע קלאפ פארן ציבור.
א שרעקליכע שרעקליכע בשורה טוט פון וויליאמסבורג ארויסקומען.
א יונג פארפאלק זענען ליידער טראגיש אומגעקומען.
ס'טוט נעבעך אזוי וויי, יעדעם'ס הארץ דאס רירט.
ווען מ'הערט די טראגישע איינצעלהייטען וואס האט נעבעך פאסירט.
א יונג פארפאלק אויף א שמחה האבן זיי זיך גערישט מיט פרייד.
מ'רופט א קאר סערוויס, אין שפיטאל מ'גייט.
זייערע געפיהלן קען מען זיך לייכט פארשטעלן.
זיי זענען נערוועיז, אבער האפן בקרוב נחת צו קוועלן.
אבער ליידער ליידער, פון הימל האט מען אנדערש געפיהרט.
און ס'האט ליידער די שרעקליכע טראגעדיע פאסירט.

אוי ס'הערשט א חרון אף ס'הערשט א צארן.
אזא יונג איידעלע פארפאלק איז נעבעך פארשניטן געווארען.
מיט דאס קינד וואס האט פאסירט איז נישט קלאר.
ס'הערשט א צימישעניש, קיינער ווייסט נישט וואס גייט פאר.
ווער ס'הערט דאס ווערט דערציטערט.
יודן איבעראל זענען ציבראכען און דערשיטערט.
יודן וואס האבן דאס פארפאלק קיינמאל נישט געקענט.
פארקלאפן מיט צער זייערע הענט.
אוי עיני עיני ירדה מים.
אז אנשטאט ביי א זכר אדער ביי א קידוש זיי צו ווינטשען לחיים.
באגלייט מען זיי נעבעך צום בית החיים.

אוי טייערע יודן ס'הערשט א חרון אף.
א חשבון הנפש מאכען יעדע איד עס דארף.
אוי טאטע אין הימל ווי האלט מען דאס אויס.
די הסתרת פנים איז ליידער אזוי גרויס.
טאטע אין הימל מיר פארשטייען נישט דיינע וועגן.
און מיר טוען חלילה נישט קיין קשיות פרעגן.
אפילו אין די שווערע מינוטן.
גלייבען מיר טאטע אז אלעס איז צום גוטן.
אפילו ווען מיר פארשטייען נישט וואס גייט פאר.
גלייבען מיר אז אלעס האט א חשבון קלאר.
טאטע מיר פרעגן טאקע נישט קיין שאלות, אבער בעטן ווילן מיר יא פון דיר.
טאטע גענוג! וויפיהל איז די שיעור.
טאטע, מיר זענען אזוי פארגרעבט מיר האבן קליינע מוחות.
איבערצוטראגען די אלע גזירות האבן מיר נישט די כוחות.
טאטע עפן אונזערע אויגן, גל עיני ואביטה.
אונז זאל מיר זעהן דיינע חסדים די גוטע.
הראני ה' חסדיך וישעך תתן.
אונז זאל מיר זעהן מיט אונזערע פליישיגע אויגען אז אלעס איז צום גוטן.
און דעם זכות פונעם היינטיגען יארצייט פונעם הייליגען ר' אלימלך.
זאל דער היינטיגער טאג זיך נאך ענדיגען פרייליך.
די אלע משפחות זאלען אויפגעראכטען ווערן.
און דעם שופר של משיח זאל מען שוין הערן.
אמן.

AMEIN. May your words written with heart be a nechama for the families and all of klal yisroel.
We should be zoicha to greet Moshiach bkurev mamesh!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:10 AM Chaim D. Says:

Reply to #57  
emesveyatziv Says:

to volfe
very nice, but i have 2 comments
you say אבער שלאג אונז נישט אזוי ווי כאילו אונז פארשטיין מיר צו מען דארף יא אדער נישט שלאגען.
It sounds like you are a mechanech telling a parent don't hit your child its not the right way
But we are talking about Hashem I dont think such comments are approprate If hashem hits our reaction must be to learn a lesson not to say we are so good so don't hit any more
comment # 2
of course its a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I don't think it should be understood that Hashem is punnishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddned when we hear such news but it doesn't seem to be a gzeira on the klal
also because this was an action by a bal bchira ut doesn't necessarily mean that Hashem was even punnihing at all this is a deep hashkafic issue best left for gedolim to deal with

I disagree with your Haskofah 100000%

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:00 AM still crying? I am!!! Says:

BD”E beyond tragic and sad, This is so heartbreaking, Very sad night/weekend. 4 Heimishe fatalities… Glauber couple tonight in willi, 14 yr old boy Hirsch in Monroe NY Friday & 19 yr old Landau in B'klyn Thursday. All the recent story's are wake up calls for sure.

It's barely a week from Purim, but it feels as if we were in the 9 days. On Thursday evening a Bucher passed out into cardiac arrest at a wedding in the Continental Hall, on Friday another Bucher suddenly passed away at home in Kiryas Yoel after seizing in the shower, and now this tragic accident...

It’s a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I think it should be understood that Hashem is punishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddened when we hear such news and it seem to be a Gzeira (decree) on the entire klal Yisroel.

So the million Dollar question is: what are WE going to do about it? Are we going to continue with business as usual?? Or are we ALL going to get together and show Hashem that we are changing our ways to get closer to Hashem by perfecting our Mitzvos.

I'm not looking to criticize but there is much room for improvement.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:33 AM sln134 Says:

BDE

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:44 AM palmtights Says:

Reply to #80  
still crying? I am!!! Says:

BD”E beyond tragic and sad, This is so heartbreaking, Very sad night/weekend. 4 Heimishe fatalities… Glauber couple tonight in willi, 14 yr old boy Hirsch in Monroe NY Friday & 19 yr old Landau in B'klyn Thursday. All the recent story's are wake up calls for sure.

It's barely a week from Purim, but it feels as if we were in the 9 days. On Thursday evening a Bucher passed out into cardiac arrest at a wedding in the Continental Hall, on Friday another Bucher suddenly passed away at home in Kiryas Yoel after seizing in the shower, and now this tragic accident...

It’s a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I think it should be understood that Hashem is punishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddened when we hear such news and it seem to be a Gzeira (decree) on the entire klal Yisroel.

So the million Dollar question is: what are WE going to do about it? Are we going to continue with business as usual?? Or are we ALL going to get together and show Hashem that we are changing our ways to get closer to Hashem by perfecting our Mitzvos.

I'm not looking to criticize but there is much room for improvement.

I think that instead of focusing on more tznius and tefilla and frimkeitten like some always do we should make an effort to better our entire community better people as a wole there are so many dysfunctional families that need to be taken care of and so many brainwashing that teachers and principals teach instead of teaching toras emes there is so much selfishness where people want to be looked up to but disregard others feelings so those of us fortunate enough to live a good life should reach out to others

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:51 AM bubii Says:

Reply to #80  
still crying? I am!!! Says:

BD”E beyond tragic and sad, This is so heartbreaking, Very sad night/weekend. 4 Heimishe fatalities… Glauber couple tonight in willi, 14 yr old boy Hirsch in Monroe NY Friday & 19 yr old Landau in B'klyn Thursday. All the recent story's are wake up calls for sure.

It's barely a week from Purim, but it feels as if we were in the 9 days. On Thursday evening a Bucher passed out into cardiac arrest at a wedding in the Continental Hall, on Friday another Bucher suddenly passed away at home in Kiryas Yoel after seizing in the shower, and now this tragic accident...

It’s a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I think it should be understood that Hashem is punishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddened when we hear such news and it seem to be a Gzeira (decree) on the entire klal Yisroel.

So the million Dollar question is: what are WE going to do about it? Are we going to continue with business as usual?? Or are we ALL going to get together and show Hashem that we are changing our ways to get closer to Hashem by perfecting our Mitzvos.

I'm not looking to criticize but there is much room for improvement.

Stop lecturing us here and start doing what you think is best for you, everyone decides what the best course in life for themselfs, so no lecturing will correct that.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:06 PM Conscience Says:

Where are the tears
Oh they
They im sure
They must be
The rivers that i see
The oceans the sea
With a sorrow
Beyond grief
Today
They share--with
All the drops
All the drips
They in unison
To a people so grief stricken
Today and days seven
They will cry to heaven
A father a mother
Our sacred treasure
A son a daughter
Finally with love
Life her journey
To commence
Yet with tragic so tragic
Here
Here on earth
Met its end
Cry let us cry
Away
Away let us say
To any more Divide
Away
Away let us
Say in earnest
To deeds
To demeanors
All wicked
To our root
To conscience to Truth
In their sacred memory
To return
Let us all with unity

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:07 PM take it easy, HE is right Says:

Reply to #83  
bubii Says:

Stop lecturing us here and start doing what you think is best for you, everyone decides what the best course in life for themselfs, so no lecturing will correct that.

Please take it easy, he happens to be 100% correct, maybe it's to much for you to swallow in one day, but he was only trying to inspire us. There is defiantly much room for improvement in my case for sure, but I think that Hashem used this special couple as a Korbon Tzibur to wake us all up to improve our Middos and the way we preform out Mitzvos.

We are lacking much of the Emes in our way of life, Hashem is clearly not happy with us, look how many tragedies R"L almost every family have some kind of hardship life is very difficult for the majority of the Yidden. Clear message for improvement towards all of the Halochos 613 Mitzvos.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:13 PM Conscience Says:

און זכות מען נעמט זיך שוין פאהר מען וועט דאס קינד א נאמען געבן אלימלך וועט ער האבען חתימה לטובה און זכות פון הייליגען נועם אלימלך בעל ההילולא , מען זאל דאס אפשר שוין איבערגעבן פאר די בני המשפחה

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:19 PM Incognito Says:

This is my first cousin. She was the sweetest, loveliest girl... this is a senseless, crazy tragedy... obviously bashert... the baby still needs lots of rachamim, please daven for tinok ben Raizel... I dont know how the families will recover from this...

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:27 PM why we need a reason................ Says:

Reply to #82  
palmtights Says:

I think that instead of focusing on more tznius and tefilla and frimkeitten like some always do we should make an effort to better our entire community better people as a wole there are so many dysfunctional families that need to be taken care of and so many brainwashing that teachers and principals teach instead of teaching toras emes there is so much selfishness where people want to be looked up to but disregard others feelings so those of us fortunate enough to live a good life should reach out to others

“Why must people find specific reasons for tragedies? Yes, we know there is a reason, as it was decreed by Hashem, but why isn’t that knowledge enough? Why must we blame it on specific things?” Tznius etc.

The reason that we have to find a reason is because Hashem is obviously begging us for something and if we find the reason and improve on it then we won’t have to have to suffer more Tzoros and if we don’t improve Chas VeSholom who knows?

So the above posts that where suggesting in what way to improve are just trying to help avoid more tragedies from happening to us. Hashem is watching us very closely, so so many Yidden don't have what to eat, do we really care? why can't we slip an envelope under their door so they can get some food or pay bills etc. or find them a Job.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:37 PM shredready Says:

Lets not forget there is another victim the car service driver hope he is doing ok? Does anybody know?

as far as what can be done tell our law makers and police to crack down on drunk drivers

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:37 PM marfern1 Says:

Reply to #52  
ChareidiMan Says:

Any other good ideas you have at this time? Look at the pictures and not even 5 seat belts wouldve made a difference!

Apparently a seat belt did work because the driver did survive.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:42 PM cgran Says:

I'm sorry for the families of this couple. I pray for their child also. God be with them all.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:43 PM Sociologist Says:

Baruch Dayan ha'Emet! May the R"SH give their families strength and their baby boy a refuah shlemah. I hope the families decide to have the little boy raised by a couple who themselves can not conceive. It would be a beracha and gift from the biologic parents.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:45 PM שגגת תלמוד Says:

Reply to #57  
emesveyatziv Says:

to volfe
very nice, but i have 2 comments
you say אבער שלאג אונז נישט אזוי ווי כאילו אונז פארשטיין מיר צו מען דארף יא אדער נישט שלאגען.
It sounds like you are a mechanech telling a parent don't hit your child its not the right way
But we are talking about Hashem I dont think such comments are approprate If hashem hits our reaction must be to learn a lesson not to say we are so good so don't hit any more
comment # 2
of course its a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I don't think it should be understood that Hashem is punnishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddned when we hear such news but it doesn't seem to be a gzeira on the klal
also because this was an action by a bal bchira ut doesn't necessarily mean that Hashem was even punnihing at all this is a deep hashkafic issue best left for gedolim to deal with

! אחד מבני חבורה שמת תדאג כל החבורה כולה
שבת ק"ו -

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:52 PM ChareidiMan Says:

if i hear one word from some Rabbi the reason behind this ( maybe cell phones, internet, etc.) i will freak.

please lets not takes the familys pain and profit off it or give our own reasoning for it. It is sad, it is tragic and now is the time to grief not explain!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:01 PM vus? Says:

Reply to #86  
Conscience Says:

און זכות מען נעמט זיך שוין פאהר מען וועט דאס קינד א נאמען געבן אלימלך וועט ער האבען חתימה לטובה און זכות פון הייליגען נועם אלימלך בעל ההילולא , מען זאל דאס אפשר שוין איבערגעבן פאר די בני המשפחה

How about this: Name the baby after his father, efsher pass that message to the Family. What cave do you live in??

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:02 PM monalisa Says:

Reply to #48  
LindaAT Says:

I am so saddened by this tragedy. I am not Jewish but I deeply know the pain of this type of sense-less accident. I pray for everyone in pain because of this horrific crash..I pray for the doctors and nurses treating that little baby...I pray for the driver to come forward...my church prays for the entire community and the spiritual leaders who care for you...

Thank you for your nice words. Our grief is terrible over this horrific tragedy and we appreciate your sentiments. May G-d bless us all with good news and joy always.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:06 PM Morah Says:

Reply to #80  
still crying? I am!!! Says:

BD”E beyond tragic and sad, This is so heartbreaking, Very sad night/weekend. 4 Heimishe fatalities… Glauber couple tonight in willi, 14 yr old boy Hirsch in Monroe NY Friday & 19 yr old Landau in B'klyn Thursday. All the recent story's are wake up calls for sure.

It's barely a week from Purim, but it feels as if we were in the 9 days. On Thursday evening a Bucher passed out into cardiac arrest at a wedding in the Continental Hall, on Friday another Bucher suddenly passed away at home in Kiryas Yoel after seizing in the shower, and now this tragic accident...

It’s a terrible tragedy beyond words but when an accident like this occurs I think it should be understood that Hashem is punishing the entire Klal Yisroel of course we are all saddened when we hear such news and it seem to be a Gzeira (decree) on the entire klal Yisroel.

So the million Dollar question is: what are WE going to do about it? Are we going to continue with business as usual?? Or are we ALL going to get together and show Hashem that we are changing our ways to get closer to Hashem by perfecting our Mitzvos.

I'm not looking to criticize but there is much room for improvement.

I don't think what he wrote here is so terrible. It's human nature to scream out, demand answers and so on. Let's try to accept each of us grieves & questions in our own way. Me, I am just devastated & crying. When I go to teach tomorrow I don't know how we will deal with it. Siblings, cousins are my students. Hashem bring us out of Golus now. Too much.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:15 PM GS Says:

Horrible tragedy, BDE!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:19 PM Conscience Says:

Reply to #96  
vus? Says:

How about this: Name the baby after his father, efsher pass that message to the Family. What cave do you live in??

Chas veshulem of course to of course , so sorry for omitting it , just that if chas veshulem one passes at a young age , then we add but of course of course the fathers name at least the one he was called by , should be added , you are right

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:19 PM Anonymous Says:

It should be understood that if (G-d forbid) we do an sin in this world, it has a spiritual effect in Heaven, and then there's a spiritual consequence of the sin down here (e.g. accident, G-d forbid), which can affect people who are totally innocent.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

קיינער ווייסט נישט פארוואס אין פאר ווען השי״ת האט דאס געטוהן צו אונז אין די נאכט פון די יארצייט פון א פועל ישועות ר אלימלך זי״ע נסתרים דרכי השם..... אבער איין זאך יא והחי יתן אל לבו טאקע אויף די מעסעדזש גראפס ווי מען הערט אין זעהט אלע נייעס דארף מען זיך אינטערנעמן נישט שרייבען אדער שיקן אוימאויסגעהאלטענע זאכן צו איז דאס לשון הרע רכילות שנאת חנם ניבול פה וכדומה אין און דעים זכות זאלן די נשמות האבן אן עליה אין מיר זאלען אלע צוזאמען זוכה זיין צו ביאת גואל צדק בב״א

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:26 PM insider Says:

Reply to #73  
Eli Says:

תניא רבי יוסי בן אלישע אומר אם ראית דור שצרות רבות באות עליו צא ובדוק בדייני ישראל שכל פורענות שבאה לעולם לא באה אלא בשביל דייני ישראל. שבת קלט א'.

http://he.wikisource.org/wiki/שבת_קלט_א

and when they catch the sub-human that drove the BMW will they give him mabey as much as five years in the slammer?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Anonymous Says:

Can someone please translate the Hebrew posts. We could use the chizuk. BDE for these parents I am sickened and horrified by it.

it's not Hebrew, it's Yiddish

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #93  
Sociologist Says:

Baruch Dayan ha'Emet! May the R"SH give their families strength and their baby boy a refuah shlemah. I hope the families decide to have the little boy raised by a couple who themselves can not conceive. It would be a beracha and gift from the biologic parents.

Great sociologist...but not a great time for advice..
The family is large..best to keep it in the family...and I'm sure there are volunteers already...but thanks for the advice.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

One doesnt need to be Hebrew to realize what a terrible terrible thing has happened. May they rest in peace.. And may the baby get better and know that his parents loved them.

my praver goes out to the new baby boy and the family----the hand of G-d is on the baby. psalms 91 say he will cover you with this wings. G-D Bless you

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:36 PM heimish Says:

Bde, yes, we do have to do something to bring moshiach, everyone should look at themselves and do something to change yourself, and not go and mussar other people. Change yourself and you have changed the world

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:37 PM volfe Says:

עליה השלם כל הקרבנות כולם

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:46 PM shebee Says:

My heart is broken for this tragic loss to the families of this young couple, as well as to your community. May the God of Abraham give much wisdom to the doctors taking care of this beloved child.
I pray for healing, wisdom and understanding to you all in your time of tremendous loss. My deepest sympathy to you all, from my heart to your hearts.
Shebee

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #93  
Sociologist Says:

Baruch Dayan ha'Emet! May the R"SH give their families strength and their baby boy a refuah shlemah. I hope the families decide to have the little boy raised by a couple who themselves can not conceive. It would be a beracha and gift from the biologic parents.

I am sure the family will raise the baby.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #90  
marfern1 Says:

Apparently a seat belt did work because the driver did survive.

Pretty sure I heard the father was wearing a seat belt.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #98  
Morah Says:

I don't think what he wrote here is so terrible. It's human nature to scream out, demand answers and so on. Let's try to accept each of us grieves & questions in our own way. Me, I am just devastated & crying. When I go to teach tomorrow I don't know how we will deal with it. Siblings, cousins are my students. Hashem bring us out of Golus now. Too much.

".... The Chofetz Chaim (Chofetz Chaim Al Hatorah pages 322-324) said that many of the Tzarus which happened in his days were due to wide-spread laxity regarding Hilchos Tznius.”

I doubt you even knew the niftar so to suggest that their tragic death was the result of their failure to be machmir in hilchos tzinius is both mindless and totally inappropriate. Neither you nor anyone but the Ebeshter knows why he let this happen. You should not be judgmental of them.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:17 PM enlightened-yid Says:

Horrific tragedy is an understatement. There are not enough words to describe this. My prayers to the family and prayers that there will be some miracles from this unspeakable tragedy. I pray that the baby and the car service driver survive their injuries. One thing that I can't stand is when people want to speak for Hashem with their imaginations and answer all the questions and events that occur on this planet. The niftar are not buried yet and people go on rambling about tznius and this and that. Stop exploiting tragedies for a moment for your zealous agendas. There are no rational reasons to why Hashem does this!

Traffic accidents and drunk driving kill tens of thousands of people in this country every year. We need more public awareness on road safety, more government enforcement against speeding and DUI and harsher punishment for violators involved in deadly collisions. We must start teaching our kids and adults that seat-belts in the backseat also raise your chance of survival! I know most people do not wear seat belts in the back seats because it's a cultural thing and a lot of misconceptions.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:18 PM Truth Says:

There is way too much Sinas Chinum in our generation and these are our Korbonos.
I know my whole life I'm suffering because of Sinas Chinum.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:18 PM PEACE AMONG MEN Says:

Could we get the leaders to make peace with their brothers....all of them? to put kuvod and gelt aside, because not they, nor us, are taking anything along with them. Our generation needs leaders who teach by example, and I think we are lacking big time!!!
I would like to see one leader who is having a confrontation with a sibling to finally so, enough is enough ...I don't care the age or anything. I want to see the humble one confront a siblling and say it's not worth it...all of it...the whole rabbiste...the crowds...everything............because The Shechina cannot be around fighting...and what has this taught our youth...Every child in cheder knows that there is this Rebbe and that Rebbe, and G....d forbid, the two should mix! What are we? Are we not all brothers...united to bring Moshiach...Well...I guess He is waiting for peace among men..........certainly brothers...ALL OF THEM...WHEREVER THEY MAY BE...IN THE US, IN ISRAEL, IN PARIS OR IN ROME...I DON'T CARE...I WANT TO SEE ONE REACH OUT IN EARNEST..

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:25 PM חזק חזק ונתחזק Says:

עַל אֵלֶּה אֲנִי בוֹכִיָּה עֵינִי עֵינִי יֹרְדָה מַּיִם כִּי רָחַק מִמֶּנִּי מְנַחֵם מֵשִׁיב נַפְשִׁי
כלל ישראל מתרגשים מאוד באסון הנורא, אך כבר ידוע שח"ו אסור לומר שהוא אסון רק כך עלה מהבורא יתברך שמו, ואנו בני אברהם יצחק ויעקב, שעיקר המדריגה שאהב הקב"ה את האבות לפי שאלתם: "פארוואס", רק קבלו הכל באהבה, הנה ברור כשמש בימים האלו יהיה התגלות מלך המשיח, והקב"ה מנסה אותנו ממש עם הנסיונות האחרונים - וכלל ישראל לא יכרע ולא ישתחוה ולא יפול לעצבות או חסרון באמונה, וצריכים לחזק את עצמו וכל אחד יתן צדקה, ובזכות זה צדקה תציל ממות, ויזכה בקרות לתחיית המתים, ובפרט למתים שעדיין יש להם קרובים - כידוע יקום מהרה,

יהודי ישראל, חז"ק, ואל תתייאש, אפילו במקום שיש הסתרת פנים רח"ל,
חז"ק חבירו, ועי"ז נתחז"ק את עמצו.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:30 PM emesveyatziv Says:

reply to #78
My Hashkofas? I don't have own hashkofa just what it says in seforim or what I was mekabel from gedolim/
something that happens to a private individual no matter how tragic especially that its something that unfortuntly doer occur normally bderech hateva does not necessarilly have to be a message from Hasshem to all of us, of course we should do teshuva anyway but its not like this is some wake up call. accidents dfo occur bderch hatevah, a message to the klal is only when there are specific signs that there is a gzeira on the klal as mentioned in the Rambam.
Somthing that a human being does to a yachid is especially questionable as is known that this is a huge machlokes if what a bal bchira does is min hashomayim and like I said its a complicated issue best left for gedolim
Our duty now is not to try to interpet what happned because no one can
rather we should do what we can for this child, for the familly

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:31 PM mewhoze Says:

there is something i would like to say apart from the obvious sympathies and condolences and BDE. I would like to say that there are people out there looking to hurt others mentally and emotionally. These people need to STOP doing this IMMEDIATELY.
They hurt good people because they are EVIL. Their evilness shows in their souls as bright as a billboard. Is there a way to make them stop or to deflect their hurtful and evil thoughts? If anyone knows anything please post it to me.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

This tragedy is beyond words. I pray for all those touched by this and believe that G-d mourns with them. The gentleman in the video talked of how this child will be loved and cared for both by the child's family and the surrounding community. I feel that their love reflects G-d's grace amidst this senseless tragedy in which it may feel that G-d is absent. I am very sorry for the family's and community's loss.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:55 PM estherruchama Says:

We need to daven and do teshuva and look within our community to better ourselves...

BUT there also needs to be more public safety awareness, better using of seat belts (even if it wouldn't have helped this time, it might help save a life next time), and look at ways we can all work together to help stop anything like this from happening again.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:04 PM Anonymous Says:

lotzi lets start with u perhaps a good example.. to follow

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:14 PM ShalomNJ Says:

This accident is beyond the deepest saddness. While not Jewish I feel for this family and the Williamsburg community. I am deeply soory and very sad at this tragedy

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:17 PM Canadian Says:

Reply to #114  
enlightened-yid Says:

Horrific tragedy is an understatement. There are not enough words to describe this. My prayers to the family and prayers that there will be some miracles from this unspeakable tragedy. I pray that the baby and the car service driver survive their injuries. One thing that I can't stand is when people want to speak for Hashem with their imaginations and answer all the questions and events that occur on this planet. The niftar are not buried yet and people go on rambling about tznius and this and that. Stop exploiting tragedies for a moment for your zealous agendas. There are no rational reasons to why Hashem does this!

Traffic accidents and drunk driving kill tens of thousands of people in this country every year. We need more public awareness on road safety, more government enforcement against speeding and DUI and harsher punishment for violators involved in deadly collisions. We must start teaching our kids and adults that seat-belts in the backseat also raise your chance of survival! I know most people do not wear seat belts in the back seats because it's a cultural thing and a lot of misconceptions.

You are unintentionally also grieving explanation before any reports even emerged.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:25 PM sechelyoshor Says:

Reply to #118  
emesveyatziv Says:

reply to #78
My Hashkofas? I don't have own hashkofa just what it says in seforim or what I was mekabel from gedolim/
something that happens to a private individual no matter how tragic especially that its something that unfortuntly doer occur normally bderech hateva does not necessarilly have to be a message from Hasshem to all of us, of course we should do teshuva anyway but its not like this is some wake up call. accidents dfo occur bderch hatevah, a message to the klal is only when there are specific signs that there is a gzeira on the klal as mentioned in the Rambam.
Somthing that a human being does to a yachid is especially questionable as is known that this is a huge machlokes if what a bal bchira does is min hashomayim and like I said its a complicated issue best left for gedolim
Our duty now is not to try to interpet what happned because no one can
rather we should do what we can for this child, for the familly

The source for this is the Or HaChaim on the posuk where the brother threw Yosef into the Bor. Where chazal say Mayim ain sham aval nchashim v'akravim yesh sham. The Or HaChaim says there weren't alot. If there were, how could the brothers then say, "let's see what Hashem does to him" - if there were many snakes and scorpions it would be them killing Yosef even if that was not what Hashem planned for him.

This seems to argue with the Ramban at the end of Parshas Bo and a few places in Daas Tvunos.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:37 PM bevjw Says:

My heart goes out to the family and community of this precious young couple whom God has called home. I am so saddened with grief, yet we know that God has everything under control, and only He can give that peace we all need. I love your people but I am not Jewish and I support and pray for the peace of Jerusalem and all of your people. May God keep you in His tender care.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:40 PM LindaAT Says:

Reply to #61  
Levi Says:

it's so nice of you to pray for us, lets try to pray for each other all of the time

I promise

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:44 PM commone'r Says:

Reply to #118  
emesveyatziv Says:

reply to #78
My Hashkofas? I don't have own hashkofa just what it says in seforim or what I was mekabel from gedolim/
something that happens to a private individual no matter how tragic especially that its something that unfortuntly doer occur normally bderech hateva does not necessarilly have to be a message from Hasshem to all of us, of course we should do teshuva anyway but its not like this is some wake up call. accidents dfo occur bderch hatevah, a message to the klal is only when there are specific signs that there is a gzeira on the klal as mentioned in the Rambam.
Somthing that a human being does to a yachid is especially questionable as is known that this is a huge machlokes if what a bal bchira does is min hashomayim and like I said its a complicated issue best left for gedolim
Our duty now is not to try to interpet what happned because no one can
rather we should do what we can for this child, for the familly

Stop with your philosophical mumbo-jumbo! keep 'your' gedolim out from this holy kehila! I heared myself a hespid on a commone'r when their gedol! "their rebbe" started the euology with this (below) mamer chaza"l. It's good enough for us then and now. I would add especially a tragedy like this it pertains to the whole kehila h'akdoshe men-woman-children.

שבת ק"ו - אחד מבני חבורה שמת ידאגו כל החבורה כולה

המקום ינחם 'אתכם' בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים ומחה ד׳ דמעה מעל כל פנים ובלצ"ג בב"א

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:50 PM LindaAT Says:

Does the child have grandparents? How can a donation be made ?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:52 PM Conscience Says:

Anyone knows the present condition of the precious boy ?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:57 PM CRY & CRY & CRY Says:

WE LOST
A Sweet couple !

אין לי שום דברי נחמה
כלל ישראל מתאבלים על האבידה גדולה כזה

הקב"ה יבוא בעצמו וינחמנו אותו בכפליים

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 03:59 PM tchoca Says:

Reply to #126  
bevjw Says:

My heart goes out to the family and community of this precious young couple whom God has called home. I am so saddened with grief, yet we know that God has everything under control, and only He can give that peace we all need. I love your people but I am not Jewish and I support and pray for the peace of Jerusalem and all of your people. May God keep you in His tender care.

I am saddened also.I believe that people should look out for one another. It makes the world a better place. My own daughter is going to the hospital thnight to have a baby so I can empathize with this family. I pray for them

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:01 PM Conscience Says:

Reply to #129  
LindaAT Says:

Does the child have grandparents? How can a donation be made ?

Linda i am a family a nephew to my dear uncle
Money it is not the issue , he will not take a dime
He will not allow profiting off of a soul so pure like his beloved daughter and precious son, n law monitary matters , dont fall for it especially online , if you are concerned then i could provide a phone number you should speak directly with her brother , a kind hearted soul, linda no words , it is a dark dark day it is truly a day of infamy ,g-d to him i am most certain , to him the sole reason he keeps all the ocean all the sea it is merely to show , to unveil for us all , his tears for this tragic horrific , story, and you what you represent , it is a spirit , acquainted with , the universality of the human wonder
Created by. The creator

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:05 PM Yoilish Says:

We dont understand, but its part of hashems plan. Lets all pray we shouldnt be tested

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Gitmurgen Says:

Early report from 90pct: Hit and Run Driver of BMW involved in Glauber accident was heavily intoxicated, speed is estimated at over 60mph.

How do you know he was "heavily intoxicated" if nobody caught up with him yet? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that were indeed the case, but don't make assumptions which are unverifiable.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:21 PM sechelyoshor Says:

Reply to #128  
commone'r Says:

Stop with your philosophical mumbo-jumbo! keep 'your' gedolim out from this holy kehila! I heared myself a hespid on a commone'r when their gedol! "their rebbe" started the euology with this (below) mamer chaza"l. It's good enough for us then and now. I would add especially a tragedy like this it pertains to the whole kehila h'akdoshe men-woman-children.

שבת ק"ו - אחד מבני חבורה שמת ידאגו כל החבורה כולה

המקום ינחם 'אתכם' בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים ומחה ד׳ דמעה מעל כל פנים ובלצ"ג בב"א

see 125 above. It is not black and white.

Life can be confusing.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #118  
emesveyatziv Says:

reply to #78
My Hashkofas? I don't have own hashkofa just what it says in seforim or what I was mekabel from gedolim/
something that happens to a private individual no matter how tragic especially that its something that unfortuntly doer occur normally bderech hateva does not necessarilly have to be a message from Hasshem to all of us, of course we should do teshuva anyway but its not like this is some wake up call. accidents dfo occur bderch hatevah, a message to the klal is only when there are specific signs that there is a gzeira on the klal as mentioned in the Rambam.
Somthing that a human being does to a yachid is especially questionable as is known that this is a huge machlokes if what a bal bchira does is min hashomayim and like I said its a complicated issue best left for gedolim
Our duty now is not to try to interpet what happned because no one can
rather we should do what we can for this child, for the familly

your comments are not Dass Torah according to the Torah that was given to us on mount Siani

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:30 PM no words today! Says:

people are stupid,!

the reason the driver was saved is becase of the Air bags,he had air bags opened all around him, the passengers didn't have any, the husband was seat belted and was also killed, even before his wife who wasn't seat belted, so in this case it wouldn't matter, BUT peeple should take seat belts very serious, it most accidents seat belts are life savers, also if you are a car service driver or you have a family make sure when you buy a car it has PASSENGER AIR BAGS, that would probebly save this tragedy,

also, people today are TXTING while driving, it became the biggest cause of accidents today, Chas V'shulem if you make an accident and anyone is killed they will check with your carrier if you were txting and if you were they will treat you as a first degree murder which can be life in prison,

should we only hear good Bseeres and Mashiach should already come to redeem us!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:33 PM LindaAT Says:

Reply to #133  
Conscience Says:

Linda i am a family a nephew to my dear uncle
Money it is not the issue , he will not take a dime
He will not allow profiting off of a soul so pure like his beloved daughter and precious son, n law monitary matters , dont fall for it especially online , if you are concerned then i could provide a phone number you should speak directly with her brother , a kind hearted soul, linda no words , it is a dark dark day it is truly a day of infamy ,g-d to him i am most certain , to him the sole reason he keeps all the ocean all the sea it is merely to show , to unveil for us all , his tears for this tragic horrific , story, and you what you represent , it is a spirit , acquainted with , the universality of the human wonder
Created by. The creator

Sir, I ask your pardon if I have written something which offended you..I lost someone I loved very much in a similar accident.....please know that you, your family and your community are in the prayers of a wonderful group of people...we believe in g-d; we believe in the power of prayer and we believe that faith must be accompanied by deeds...my heart is broken for your loss..I wish I knew what to do......

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:41 PM Incognito Says:

The levaya was incredibly wrenching. Poor father. How does one say goodbye to their baby daughter at age 21? The daughter he danced mitzveh tantz with a year ago? it's shreklich.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:43 PM Anonymous Says:

1) It’s 15 hours later and there is still no photo of the owner of car and there is no public license plate of the BMW car either. It’s enough time to escape to Canada! Why is everybody sleeping?
2) Also why didn’t the people scream “CHAPZEM” and let the driver of the BMW just walk away on Taylor Street. Nobody had stopped them.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #133  
Conscience Says:

Linda i am a family a nephew to my dear uncle
Money it is not the issue , he will not take a dime
He will not allow profiting off of a soul so pure like his beloved daughter and precious son, n law monitary matters , dont fall for it especially online , if you are concerned then i could provide a phone number you should speak directly with her brother , a kind hearted soul, linda no words , it is a dark dark day it is truly a day of infamy ,g-d to him i am most certain , to him the sole reason he keeps all the ocean all the sea it is merely to show , to unveil for us all , his tears for this tragic horrific , story, and you what you represent , it is a spirit , acquainted with , the universality of the human wonder
Created by. The creator

I would just love to figure out what you said....sorry.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:48 PM KathyGeorgia Says:

I am not Jewish, but wish to offer my condolences, thoughts and prayers to the family and community. My faith has comforted me often, may your faith comfort you during this tragic time.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #133  
Conscience Says:

Linda i am a family a nephew to my dear uncle
Money it is not the issue , he will not take a dime
He will not allow profiting off of a soul so pure like his beloved daughter and precious son, n law monitary matters , dont fall for it especially online , if you are concerned then i could provide a phone number you should speak directly with her brother , a kind hearted soul, linda no words , it is a dark dark day it is truly a day of infamy ,g-d to him i am most certain , to him the sole reason he keeps all the ocean all the sea it is merely to show , to unveil for us all , his tears for this tragic horrific , story, and you what you represent , it is a spirit , acquainted with , the universality of the human wonder
Created by. The creator

Linda was extremely nice and generous...and I would not call it profiting, when someone wants to contribute to a fund "usually" set up under such circumstances. Perhaps Linda does not know or identify with our community...but there may be cases where such a fund would be necessary and whoever would have contributed, would be praised.
In any case...sorry that your family was hit so hard today, but I cannot understand what you were trying to say to Linda...it is so unclear...

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #126  
bevjw Says:

My heart goes out to the family and community of this precious young couple whom God has called home. I am so saddened with grief, yet we know that God has everything under control, and only He can give that peace we all need. I love your people but I am not Jewish and I support and pray for the peace of Jerusalem and all of your people. May God keep you in His tender care.

Thanks for your kind words...always appreciated.
May G....d bless you too, for your kind and caring heart

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:59 PM Anonymous Says:

For anybody and everybody who wrote here today; go out and do a mitzva in the memory the the couple and in the merit for the healing of the baby and driver. The is so much to be done, give money for Pesach, go to a old age home and visit a person and daven for their recovery, cross a child across the street, make a cake and bring it to a lonely person; get involve in shidduchim; anything good to do in their memory and in the merit of the son. Think now and do it now

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #115  
Truth Says:

There is way too much Sinas Chinum in our generation and these are our Korbonos.
I know my whole life I'm suffering because of Sinas Chinum.

U do??? who whispered in your ear that that is the reason for YOUR suffering and no one else's.
Not to undermine anyone's suffering...but we don't have any clear answers...so I do wish an end to all your suffering and an end to suffering to all mankind.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #93  
Sociologist Says:

Baruch Dayan ha'Emet! May the R"SH give their families strength and their baby boy a refuah shlemah. I hope the families decide to have the little boy raised by a couple who themselves can not conceive. It would be a beracha and gift from the biologic parents.

You cannot make gifts in anyone's name, especially if they are not here to bestow that gift on anyone. I'm sure they would appreciate if family took care of their own and there is lots of that. Why put it in a home of strangers, who unfortunately may not have children....when there are loving family amongst him?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:33 PM thegabmeister Says:

Reply to #50  
heyward Says:

Name of the the baby ? to say Tehilim for his speedy recovery

Community are being asked to daven for Tinok ben Raizel.
Moshiach Now.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:44 PM The Rambam says: Says:

Part # 1

The Rambam says that when a Tragedy strikes and people say it "just happened" for no particular reason, the this is Midas Achzorios because Hashem want's us to learn a lesson from a Tragedy.


If the Lesson is learned, then Hashem knows that we "Got The Point" and therefore we are guaranteed that such a lesson will no longer "have to be learned" ever again and that's exactly why the flip side of the coin, if we fail; to learn a lesson, it is Midas Achzoriaus for the precise same reason.

No one can claim that he knows Hashem's reasons and everyone agrees that this couple were Tzadikim and Didn't deserve it, but the real pain is that of those who remain living, which is the entire community, especially Satmer. Those who passed away, are no longer suffering, but all of Stamar and all of Klal Yisroel will be pained forever.

To be continued in next post

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:49 PM Yocheved d. Says:

The Torah states:

והתקדשתם והייתם קדושים
Holy You Should Be!
By wearing immodest clothing we distance the Shechina (Divine Presence) from us.
As the Torah states:
ולא יראה בן ערות דבר ושב מאחריך
Immodesty should not be seen amongst you!
Or Hashem will withdraw his presence from you!
When the Shechina departs, we are stripped of our protection ח”ו
Maybe this is why so many tzoros, illness, crushing poverty and unbearable tragedies, have befallen us.

In the words of the Holy Chofetz Chaim tzl in a famous letter:
“A huge fire has broken out in many places through the despicable styles which the power of uncleanliness has unleashed”……….
THIS IS WHY BLESSINGS AND PROSPERITY HAVE LEFT US…….
To a large degree this despicable style negates the statement of the Torah:
“Your camp should be holy and there should not be found therein erveh”
Tight-fitting, short, flashy clothing, low cut necklines, long extravagant sheitels, etc. are contrary to Tznius standards,
Besides being the cause of people’s sins.

Dear Sisters!
Let us wear clothes that are befitting for Jewish Daughters. This will cause the Shechina to reside in our midst. This will bring many blessings upon ourselves,

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:55 PM The Rambam says: - Part 2 Says:

Satmar in particular as well as a All Frum Yidden are in the news almost every single day involving crimes of Molestation especially of Children. There is no Bigger Chilul Hashem than the head of Londons Beis Din having 30 women witnesses that he molested them all and there is no greater shame that all men women and children of the ENTIRE Williamsburg_Satmer community being in Denial to this very day, that the entire heads of the community are continuously sticking up for Weberman and many more of the likes of Weberman who are still doing the same thing, today too!

If one individual Weberman is convicted, we can say it was just one bad apple and everyone else is holly but when the entire community continues to this day, to stick up for the Molester and the entire community continues to condemn and persecute all victims and their advocates, then the entire community is one big Giant Ir Hanidachas and the entire community are all guilty, for covering up, these crimes, to this very moment

When Tradgedy Strikes its a reminder for Teshuva to the entire community

Teshuva?

What Teshuva?

They say the opposite of Teshuva - The Community Leadership says Achalti V"ochel Oid!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 05:55 PM CarrieB Says:

Tragic. Tragic for the parents. Tragic for the livery driver. Tragic for the drunk driver. Tragic for the family and friends of all involved.

Miraculous. Miraculous that the baby survived. Miraculous that this child will be raised by a family and a community who, without doubt, will love, cherish and nuture him. Miraculous that in one simple act, g-d has taken life and given life and shown the world the greatness of family and community acting out of selfless love.

Ironic. Ironic for the photo of a young couple on the most sacred occasion of their wedding to have lottery results scrolling over it. Perhaps this just makes the miraculous even more so.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 06:01 PM Yocheved part 2 Says:

Dear Sisters!
Let us wear clothes that are befitting for Jewish Daughters. This will cause the Shechina to reside in our midst. This will bring many blessings upon ourselves, and ultimately bring the Geulah Sheleima בב”א

בזכות נשים צדקניות אתידין להגאל - The key to our salvation is in your hands!

Let's remember that by wearing flashy clothing and making our self attractive when we walk the street or at the work place that have men there we cause boys, Bocherim and many men to sin, OH YES! and we will have to pay for it in the world to come, it's not worth it.

We can't afford any more deaths like this one, it's totally u up us to stop it from happening again. We have to be strong and contiguously fight the evil Yatzer Hora, our fight is the fight of Tznius.

Please keep this post in mind when you go Pesach shopping, it's O.K. to have and wear nice clothing, but it's not proper to wear flashy tight fitted or short clothing for a true Bas Yisroel, who is trying to bring Moshiach.

Hashem is sending us a very clear message, we don't need more messages of this kind, what we need is the Geulah and that's up to us women!!! So lets go and do the right thing making Hashem

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 06:32 PM Mordechai_Ben_Yaakov Says:

BD"E! As a (very blessed) father of triplets born at 24 weeks, i ask each of us to please daven for tinok Ben raiza. He needs our tefillos!

VIN, thank you for bringing updates on this tragedy. Please continue to update us on the baby's condition as time progresses. Thank you.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:08 PM And for the men: Says:

Today the niftar was asked, "Were you honest in your business dealings?"

How about YOU? Were YOU?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:10 PM Conscience Says:

Reply to #140  
LindaAT Says:

Sir, I ask your pardon if I have written something which offended you..I lost someone I loved very much in a similar accident.....please know that you, your family and your community are in the prayers of a wonderful group of people...we believe in g-d; we believe in the power of prayer and we believe that faith must be accompanied by deeds...my heart is broken for your loss..I wish I knew what to do......

Linda your character what it in earnest represents is a graceful character and genuinely driven by Soul rather then her contrast , your words they are palpable to the fragile spirit to the broken heart it brings a sense of companionship , , all i am relating to you-however is the fact that online vultures the lure on the net , and target the innocent , and would pounce on thhe slightest opportunity , such as if a person who is in a emotional and thus giving state of mind and there they are
Milking , with some fraudulant fund nmae etc. thats all i wish to advise , a people kindhearted such asmyourself and alike

Remember linda your empathy it is the contribution , and knowing a sacred man such as my beloved uncle the father of the lovely mother , oy its so painful to resume , just no words no words in any event he would not take a dime from anyone he will earn his bread but refuse a good stake one he has yet to earn , get my drift such a sweet sweet man , where are the rivers they are so empty in comparison to what this sorrow reflects , no words no words

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #141  
Incognito Says:

The levaya was incredibly wrenching. Poor father. How does one say goodbye to their baby daughter at age 21? The daughter he danced mitzveh tantz with a year ago? it's shreklich.

My sense we are related how do we console such sweetness as this tsaddik our truly most revered uncle tsu langa gezinte yuren

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:20 PM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #152  
Yocheved d. Says:

The Torah states:

והתקדשתם והייתם קדושים
Holy You Should Be!
By wearing immodest clothing we distance the Shechina (Divine Presence) from us.
As the Torah states:
ולא יראה בן ערות דבר ושב מאחריך
Immodesty should not be seen amongst you!
Or Hashem will withdraw his presence from you!
When the Shechina departs, we are stripped of our protection ח”ו
Maybe this is why so many tzoros, illness, crushing poverty and unbearable tragedies, have befallen us.

In the words of the Holy Chofetz Chaim tzl in a famous letter:
“A huge fire has broken out in many places through the despicable styles which the power of uncleanliness has unleashed”……….
THIS IS WHY BLESSINGS AND PROSPERITY HAVE LEFT US…….
To a large degree this despicable style negates the statement of the Torah:
“Your camp should be holy and there should not be found therein erveh”
Tight-fitting, short, flashy clothing, low cut necklines, long extravagant sheitels, etc. are contrary to Tznius standards,
Besides being the cause of people’s sins.

Dear Sisters!
Let us wear clothes that are befitting for Jewish Daughters. This will cause the Shechina to reside in our midst. This will bring many blessings upon ourselves,

I'm glad that someone here is wise enough to know the reason that such a tragedy happened.

Ok, enough with the sarcasm ...

How dare you insult the memory of these two victims by suggesting your own reason for their untimely deaths? If you want to suggest that we look into our hearts and find ways to better ourselves in their merits, ok, that would be commendable and admirable. But to use this tragedy to push your own agenda and to thereby imply a cause, even suggesting that this was somehow deserved, it's nothing short of inhumane!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #155  
Yocheved part 2 Says:

Dear Sisters!
Let us wear clothes that are befitting for Jewish Daughters. This will cause the Shechina to reside in our midst. This will bring many blessings upon ourselves, and ultimately bring the Geulah Sheleima בב”א

בזכות נשים צדקניות אתידין להגאל - The key to our salvation is in your hands!

Let's remember that by wearing flashy clothing and making our self attractive when we walk the street or at the work place that have men there we cause boys, Bocherim and many men to sin, OH YES! and we will have to pay for it in the world to come, it's not worth it.

We can't afford any more deaths like this one, it's totally u up us to stop it from happening again. We have to be strong and contiguously fight the evil Yatzer Hora, our fight is the fight of Tznius.

Please keep this post in mind when you go Pesach shopping, it's O.K. to have and wear nice clothing, but it's not proper to wear flashy tight fitted or short clothing for a true Bas Yisroel, who is trying to bring Moshiach.

Hashem is sending us a very clear message, we don't need more messages of this kind, what we need is the Geulah and that's up to us women!!! So lets go and do the right thing making Hashem

Vus? Are you suggesting that if women wear less flashy dresses these two pure neshamas would be alive? If so, nebech on you!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #158  
Conscience Says:

Linda your character what it in earnest represents is a graceful character and genuinely driven by Soul rather then her contrast , your words they are palpable to the fragile spirit to the broken heart it brings a sense of companionship , , all i am relating to you-however is the fact that online vultures the lure on the net , and target the innocent , and would pounce on thhe slightest opportunity , such as if a person who is in a emotional and thus giving state of mind and there they are
Milking , with some fraudulant fund nmae etc. thats all i wish to advise , a people kindhearted such asmyourself and alike

Remember linda your empathy it is the contribution , and knowing a sacred man such as my beloved uncle the father of the lovely mother , oy its so painful to resume , just no words no words in any event he would not take a dime from anyone he will earn his bread but refuse a good stake one he has yet to earn , get my drift such a sweet sweet man , where are the rivers they are so empty in comparison to what this sorrow reflects , no words no words

Shefele..if indeed you are a relative, please accept my sincere condolences, because I know your family well. but....and if you don't know how to write properly, please educate yourself a bit before you do, so as not to mix me up when I want to hear what you have to say.
I know it sounds critical of me on such a day to lecture you, but this is not the first post that is sort of hard to decipher....gotta get your thoughts together and structure your sentences properly...with periods..and not one run on sentence...

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #155  
Yocheved part 2 Says:

Dear Sisters!
Let us wear clothes that are befitting for Jewish Daughters. This will cause the Shechina to reside in our midst. This will bring many blessings upon ourselves, and ultimately bring the Geulah Sheleima בב”א

בזכות נשים צדקניות אתידין להגאל - The key to our salvation is in your hands!

Let's remember that by wearing flashy clothing and making our self attractive when we walk the street or at the work place that have men there we cause boys, Bocherim and many men to sin, OH YES! and we will have to pay for it in the world to come, it's not worth it.

We can't afford any more deaths like this one, it's totally u up us to stop it from happening again. We have to be strong and contiguously fight the evil Yatzer Hora, our fight is the fight of Tznius.

Please keep this post in mind when you go Pesach shopping, it's O.K. to have and wear nice clothing, but it's not proper to wear flashy tight fitted or short clothing for a true Bas Yisroel, who is trying to bring Moshiach.

Hashem is sending us a very clear message, we don't need more messages of this kind, what we need is the Geulah and that's up to us women!!! So lets go and do the right thing making Hashem

Here you are again, reminding the world why tragedy befell us....from post to post, from website to website...I guess you are privy to information we simple people aren't. Because in your mind, the only thing that is stopping the Geula is your obsession with Tznius.
Yes...it is important...we all know that..but tznius is more than just clothing...and you forgot about the other aveiros we are leider also guilty of.....too many to list on this post....
So please, relax....and go about your life and watch how you dress, but let us decide how we need to change ourselves...we all know in our hearts where we lack. Possibly, you....can see that as a first thing to do for yourself, thing.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 10:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #153  
The Rambam says: - Part 2 Says:

Satmar in particular as well as a All Frum Yidden are in the news almost every single day involving crimes of Molestation especially of Children. There is no Bigger Chilul Hashem than the head of Londons Beis Din having 30 women witnesses that he molested them all and there is no greater shame that all men women and children of the ENTIRE Williamsburg_Satmer community being in Denial to this very day, that the entire heads of the community are continuously sticking up for Weberman and many more of the likes of Weberman who are still doing the same thing, today too!

If one individual Weberman is convicted, we can say it was just one bad apple and everyone else is holly but when the entire community continues to this day, to stick up for the Molester and the entire community continues to condemn and persecute all victims and their advocates, then the entire community is one big Giant Ir Hanidachas and the entire community are all guilty, for covering up, these crimes, to this very moment

When Tradgedy Strikes its a reminder for Teshuva to the entire community

Teshuva?

What Teshuva?

They say the opposite of Teshuva - The Community Leadership says Achalti V"ochel Oid!

Could we please let the family mourn without individuals such as yourself, casting blame on any one thing for this tragedy. Could we please leave the Webermans out of this...They also have family members who I'm sure are mourning the loss of their own father in prison, in spite of the fact that he deserves to be there. Empathy is what is called for in this situation. Empathy for the loss and for the grieving members of these two families...
Could we all just be quiet and feel for them without our individual opinions?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #151  
The Rambam says: Says:

Part # 1

The Rambam says that when a Tragedy strikes and people say it "just happened" for no particular reason, the this is Midas Achzorios because Hashem want's us to learn a lesson from a Tragedy.


If the Lesson is learned, then Hashem knows that we "Got The Point" and therefore we are guaranteed that such a lesson will no longer "have to be learned" ever again and that's exactly why the flip side of the coin, if we fail; to learn a lesson, it is Midas Achzoriaus for the precise same reason.

No one can claim that he knows Hashem's reasons and everyone agrees that this couple were Tzadikim and Didn't deserve it, but the real pain is that of those who remain living, which is the entire community, especially Satmer. Those who passed away, are no longer suffering, but all of Stamar and all of Klal Yisroel will be pained forever.

To be continued in next post

The Rambam says: You should not lecture while others are grieving.....for crying out loud!!!!!!

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #144  
KathyGeorgia Says:

I am not Jewish, but wish to offer my condolences, thoughts and prayers to the family and community. My faith has comforted me often, may your faith comfort you during this tragic time.

Thank you so much for thinking of our community in such a tragic time. Yes, faith is what keeps us going....always will

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #110  
shebee Says:

My heart is broken for this tragic loss to the families of this young couple, as well as to your community. May the God of Abraham give much wisdom to the doctors taking care of this beloved child.
I pray for healing, wisdom and understanding to you all in your time of tremendous loss. My deepest sympathy to you all, from my heart to your hearts.
Shebee

Thank you Shebee for your kind words....

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 12:14 AM Anonymous Says:

May the family find peace and strength in the love and support of those that remain.

I pray that their child survives and grows up strong with the support of his loving family.

I can't think of a more heartbreaking experience than losing children so young as this couple. As a parent, which I am, you always believe that it is you who will pass one day and your children will survive to live a long and good life. Unfortunately, this is not always to be for some of us. It is a time to embrace the family with love and support so they can survive this horrific act done by someone who is deeply troubled.

Unfortunately, good people fall victim to the free will of others everyday. We are subject to free will on this earth, and it is this free will that can bring evil senseless acts into our lives from those that are deeply troubled.

My heart breaks for the family of this lovely young couple who should have had a lifetime ahead of them. But in spite of this tragedy a blessed part of them does remain. A pure innocent being that will be blessed all his life with the love of his family and all those that sincerely care.

We are the hands of God on earth. With his teachings in hand, we will be strong and even stronger when evil strikes. The good and decent must stick together, no matter what religion or beliefs, to show evil that it can not and will not destroy us and will never ultimately win.

Blessings and strength to all.

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 12:55 AM Ariela Says:

Tragedy brings forth unfathomable feelings beyond our own understanding, heartbreaking, I wish this family comfort, and this family is doing teffilos for the baby .

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 04:28 AM Big-Masmid PART 1 Says:

Reply to #163  
Anonymous Says:

Here you are again, reminding the world why tragedy befell us....from post to post, from website to website...I guess you are privy to information we simple people aren't. Because in your mind, the only thing that is stopping the Geula is your obsession with Tznius.
Yes...it is important...we all know that..but tznius is more than just clothing...and you forgot about the other aveiros we are leider also guilty of.....too many to list on this post....
So please, relax....and go about your life and watch how you dress, but let us decide how we need to change ourselves...we all know in our hearts where we lack. Possibly, you....can see that as a first thing to do for yourself, thing.

Tznius is a sore subject to most of us,(for me too) the Gra”h (the Vilna Goan) writes that the same way that men are protected by learning Torah, women are protected by their Tznius, this has nothing to do with Yocheved (post 155) this has to do with what it says in our Torah: that when we lack Tznius Hashem removes him self from us c”v and then we are all in great danger as we have seen what happened to us with the Gloubers who where holy Neshomos that suffered for the rest of us. Yocheved already quoted, suggesting that Tznius needs improvement it’s like saying don’t stop breathing if want to stay alive, unfortunately we all know that Tznius desires much improvement in many communities world wide. “Tznius is Hashem’s pride and glory”

As far as people pretending to be Neviam and suggesting all sort of Mitzvos that we have to improve on, its OK to do so, because Hashem didn’t bring this kind of tragedy up on us so that we can keep on living our lives as we have been till now, Hashem is crying out loud SCREAMING at us saying “I have taken away from you a special holy pure clean couple who where a Korbon Tzibur in order to wake up the rest of the Klall”

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 04:31 AM Big-Masmid part 2 Says:

Reply to #163  
Anonymous Says:

Here you are again, reminding the world why tragedy befell us....from post to post, from website to website...I guess you are privy to information we simple people aren't. Because in your mind, the only thing that is stopping the Geula is your obsession with Tznius.
Yes...it is important...we all know that..but tznius is more than just clothing...and you forgot about the other aveiros we are leider also guilty of.....too many to list on this post....
So please, relax....and go about your life and watch how you dress, but let us decide how we need to change ourselves...we all know in our hearts where we lack. Possibly, you....can see that as a first thing to do for yourself, thing.

everyone is always welcome to share their thoughts ideas and feelings in order to make sure that all of us are starting to wake up and practicing the Mitzvos in a better way that we have been conforming till now.

However Tznius is always on the top priority of the list, that desires much improvement! BTW the Mitzvah of Tznius is for men and women alike, There has never been a time in Jewish history that any Leader i.e. a Rav, Godol, Mekubal, Chacham or Rebbeh suggesting to stop improving our Tznius, I know that it’s a sore subject to most of us (4 ME TOO) yes it is very difficult because we all want to look good, but looking good is for inside of our homes not when we go outside.

I was personally very moved by Yocheved’s post and spent much time going through my wardrobe putting much of what I found to be inappropriate according to Halocha in the garbage as a Zechus for the Gloubers Z”L.

Tznius is not an obsession Tznius is the way Hashem expects us to dress think and live, i.e. if a Bas Yisroel is walking down the street dressed Tznius and is still talking loud, or making noise with her heals-shoes, attracting attention from men in any way, she is not complying with Tz

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 04:33 AM Big-Masmid PART 3 Says:

Reply to #163  
Anonymous Says:

Here you are again, reminding the world why tragedy befell us....from post to post, from website to website...I guess you are privy to information we simple people aren't. Because in your mind, the only thing that is stopping the Geula is your obsession with Tznius.
Yes...it is important...we all know that..but tznius is more than just clothing...and you forgot about the other aveiros we are leider also guilty of.....too many to list on this post....
So please, relax....and go about your life and watch how you dress, but let us decide how we need to change ourselves...we all know in our hearts where we lack. Possibly, you....can see that as a first thing to do for yourself, thing.

Tznius is not an obsession Tznius is the way Hashem expects us to dress think and live, i.e. if a Bas Yisroel is walking down the street dressed Tznius and is talking loud, or making noise with her heals-shoes, attracting attention from men in any way, she is not fully complying with the laws of Tznius.

May Hashem help us and we should be Zocha to: have a Korbon Pesach this year joined by Nachman and Raizy Glauber and baby- בזכות נשים צדקניות


can't wait to see you there!!!

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 05:27 AM Conscience Says:

Reply to #162  
Anonymous Says:

Shefele..if indeed you are a relative, please accept my sincere condolences, because I know your family well. but....and if you don't know how to write properly, please educate yourself a bit before you do, so as not to mix me up when I want to hear what you have to say.
I know it sounds critical of me on such a day to lecture you, but this is not the first post that is sort of hard to decipher....gotta get your thoughts together and structure your sentences properly...with periods..and not one run on sentence...

Sincerely to you it is not these words they were aimed at , i honestly would expect of a man constantly sharing his thoughts with vin her online community to have the maturity , not to indulge and to involve him or herself when conversing with another person , it is a conversatn ihad with linda ,perhaps its a bechinah of , a-l tisarev im riv loy luch you do not have the compassion linda represents and it is to her tenderness my heart it is directed , so please your intellect perhaps it is of great insight
But when others and the wise it is to refrain

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #173  
Conscience Says:

Sincerely to you it is not these words they were aimed at , i honestly would expect of a man constantly sharing his thoughts with vin her online community to have the maturity , not to indulge and to involve him or herself when conversing with another person , it is a conversatn ihad with linda ,perhaps its a bechinah of , a-l tisarev im riv loy luch you do not have the compassion linda represents and it is to her tenderness my heart it is directed , so please your intellect perhaps it is of great insight
But when others and the wise it is to refrain

I know you were talking to Linda..but if you don't mind my saying, If I can't understand a word you're saying, neither can Linda....or anyone else for that matter.I'm not trying to ridicule you, seriously...I don't know who you are or what your mother tongue is, but English, it ain't. So I was just trying to tell you to brush up on it a bit before you comment on a site like this.
No offense chas vesholem...just hard to decipher your thoughts.Please forgive me, if I offended you.
I happen to be a very compassionate person,and people read the comments, not only the one's that it is addressed to. It is an open forum for everyone...so, just wanted to let you know. We're good...right?

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 12:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #172  
Big-Masmid PART 3 Says:

Tznius is not an obsession Tznius is the way Hashem expects us to dress think and live, i.e. if a Bas Yisroel is walking down the street dressed Tznius and is talking loud, or making noise with her heals-shoes, attracting attention from men in any way, she is not fully complying with the laws of Tznius.

May Hashem help us and we should be Zocha to: have a Korbon Pesach this year joined by Nachman and Raizy Glauber and baby- בזכות נשים צדקניות


can't wait to see you there!!!

Tzniuz is takeh not an obsession, but her constantly bringing it up IS.
I am all for tznius on every level, I just don't think it is wise to use this time of tragedy and suffering to push that agenda on anyone. We all know our weaknesses and right now....compassion and empathy are the call of the day, not lecturing. that's all.

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 12:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #171  
Big-Masmid part 2 Says:

everyone is always welcome to share their thoughts ideas and feelings in order to make sure that all of us are starting to wake up and practicing the Mitzvos in a better way that we have been conforming till now.

However Tznius is always on the top priority of the list, that desires much improvement! BTW the Mitzvah of Tznius is for men and women alike, There has never been a time in Jewish history that any Leader i.e. a Rav, Godol, Mekubal, Chacham or Rebbeh suggesting to stop improving our Tznius, I know that it’s a sore subject to most of us (4 ME TOO) yes it is very difficult because we all want to look good, but looking good is for inside of our homes not when we go outside.

I was personally very moved by Yocheved’s post and spent much time going through my wardrobe putting much of what I found to be inappropriate according to Halocha in the garbage as a Zechus for the Gloubers Z”L.

Tznius is not an obsession Tznius is the way Hashem expects us to dress think and live, i.e. if a Bas Yisroel is walking down the street dressed Tznius and is still talking loud, or making noise with her heals-shoes, attracting attention from men in any way, she is not complying with Tz

I'm really happy you were inspired by her...no problem. I just don't think this is the time and place for mussar.
It says, or heard from a Gadol that when you go to a house of shiva you should not
tell the mourner that the nifter is in a good place and everything is Min Hashumayim and console the mourner in that way. When a person suffers, you show empathy, compassion....leave the lectures and other stuff for later. Now..now we lost three people...now is not the time to fill us in on all our faults.. We are hurting, we know the score...we are scoring low...we all know that, we need improvement in more areas than TZNIUS...TRUST ME...
But here....and now...I THINK WHAT CALLS FOR IS RACHMUNOS FOR THE LOSS OF THREE LIVES...THAT YES, HASHEM WANTED THEM BACK, NEVERTHELESS, A LOSS FOR TWO FAMILIES...GET IT????

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 02:33 PM Conscience Says:

Reply to #174  
Anonymous Says:

I know you were talking to Linda..but if you don't mind my saying, If I can't understand a word you're saying, neither can Linda....or anyone else for that matter.I'm not trying to ridicule you, seriously...I don't know who you are or what your mother tongue is, but English, it ain't. So I was just trying to tell you to brush up on it a bit before you comment on a site like this.
No offense chas vesholem...just hard to decipher your thoughts.Please forgive me, if I offended you.
I happen to be a very compassionate person,and people read the comments, not only the one's that it is addressed to. It is an open forum for everyone...so, just wanted to let you know. We're good...right?

If i may humbly bring to your attevtion , it is of times many that perception and self appointing that convinces one , that he or she is fluent in a certain subject , topic or matter , yet the wise rather would read and read and read again aand again in order to reach a conclusion or rather to render a statement in perticular on behalf of another human being , so dear friend speculating that it is you who is a man , conversing rather in a masculine manner i would advise you- be not so quick to issue your oppinion , when it is one directs his attention to a woman with a sensitive conduct
And yes we are good , but you know sir , open forum yes but when there is a REPLY click perhaps it is to illustrate just that , that it is between two adults rather its contrast , thanks though for your imput

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 02:37 PM Conscience Says:

And by the way you would not stop laughing had you find out who i am we are very close but let the myth unveil its magical artistry as we converse rather in strange a fashion

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 05:38 PM AT825 Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

When will the NYPD finally crack down on speeders racing through our neighborhoods? Even our crown jewel Hatzaloh was powerless to save this young couple, may the newborn be zocha to make them proud. R'L

Hatzaloh isnt any better bc they are "yours" they are just as trained as any other certified ambulance no? They both (meaning 911) would of worked with the same amount of strength to keep these to angels alive. This is truly a tragedy...

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 06:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #178  
Conscience Says:

And by the way you would not stop laughing had you find out who i am we are very close but let the myth unveil its magical artistry as we converse rather in strange a fashion

How in the world could you say that I would not stop laughing knowing who you are. There are millions of people that could visit this site ...and you already figured out that I am probably a Male and someone close to you...I find that rather quite interesting..almost prophetic...would you say?
I did like your sentence about :"let the myth unveil its magical artistry as we converse rather in a .strange fashion.
Nice...love it...seriously...........

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 11:31 PM rationalsavta Says:

Reply to #48  
LindaAT Says:

I am so saddened by this tragedy. I am not Jewish but I deeply know the pain of this type of sense-less accident. I pray for everyone in pain because of this horrific crash..I pray for the doctors and nurses treating that little baby...I pray for the driver to come forward...my church prays for the entire community and the spiritual leaders who care for you...

Dear Linda,
Thank you so much for your kind words.The best description in our vernacular is:
U R a mensch (a real human being).

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 Mar 05, 2013 at 07:56 AM Conscience Says:

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Anonymous Says:

How in the world could you say that I would not stop laughing knowing who you are. There are millions of people that could visit this site ...and you already figured out that I am probably a Male and someone close to you...I find that rather quite interesting..almost prophetic...would you say?
I did like your sentence about :"let the myth unveil its magical artistry as we converse rather in a .strange fashion.
Nice...love it...seriously...........

Or perhaps better yet " let the myth unravel her magic via objective discourse"
Always more constructive then of her contrast,concur?

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 Mar 05, 2013 at 11:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #182  
Conscience Says:

Or perhaps better yet " let the myth unravel her magic via objective discourse"
Always more constructive then of her contrast,concur?

You're growing on me...sentence structure much improved...and still haven't gotten the answer to: how do we know each other?

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 Mar 05, 2013 at 11:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #177  
Conscience Says:

If i may humbly bring to your attevtion , it is of times many that perception and self appointing that convinces one , that he or she is fluent in a certain subject , topic or matter , yet the wise rather would read and read and read again aand again in order to reach a conclusion or rather to render a statement in perticular on behalf of another human being , so dear friend speculating that it is you who is a man , conversing rather in a masculine manner i would advise you- be not so quick to issue your oppinion , when it is one directs his attention to a woman with a sensitive conduct
And yes we are good , but you know sir , open forum yes but when there is a REPLY click perhaps it is to illustrate just that , that it is between two adults rather its contrast , thanks though for your imput

I reread your comment...wondering why you thought I wrote in a masculine manner. Could you possibley explain....

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 01:12 PM TS2013 Says:

May God Bless the Family during this trying time, and may the baby recover and live a happy life.

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 Apr 19, 2013 at 01:43 AM Conscience Says:

Reply to #184  
Anonymous Says:

I reread your comment...wondering why you thought I wrote in a masculine manner. Could you possibley explain....

You just have that umphh in your style of writing

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