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Bayit Yehudi leader Naftali Bennett with Israel's President Shimon Peres (R), during their meeting at the President's residence in Jerusalem, Israel, 31 January 2013. EPA/SEBASTIAN SCHEINER / POOLBayit Yehudi leader Naftali Bennett with Israel’s President Shimon Peres (R), during their meeting at the President’s residence in Jerusalem, Israel, 31 January 2013. EPA/SEBASTIAN SCHEINER / POOL

Israel - There is a blatant boycott of an entire public underway, Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz (Likud) said Sunday in reference to Yesh Atid’s refusal to sit in a coalition with the haredi parties.

Steinitz said that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu correctly disagrees with the “boycott” and that he himself “does not understand these games.”

The finance minister echoed comments made by head of the Likud Beytenu negotiating team Attorney David Shimron in recent days that by upholding its pact with Yesh Atid not to join the coalition without one another, Bayit Yehudi is de facto boycotting the haredim as well.

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“The Bayit Yehudi party can say whatever it wants, but Bayit Yehudi is boycotting the haredi parties, this is an undesirable reality,” Steinitz said.

He supported Netanyahu’s repeated claim that Israel needs a wide coalition in order to face the variety of challenges it faces. Steinitz listed security threats, the instability of the region and the economic situation in Europe and the US as issues that affect Israel. “I really do not like boycotts, even if they are indirect,” he asserted.

Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid publicly and explicitly stated for the first time Saturday night that he would not sit in the same coalition as ultra-Orthodox parties Shas and United Torah Judaism, while Bayit Yehudi stuck to its commitment to enter a government only if Yesh Atid joins as well.

Earlier on Saturday, Lapid posted a lengthy status on his Facebook profile explaining that while he does not reject haredi people, he does not want to be in the same coalition as haredi parties.

“I do not believe that Shas and UTJ can sit in a government that will make the changes for which we went to elections: Changing the criteria for [subsidized] housing, core curriculum studies for all, equality in the burden of enlistment and the necessary cuts in yeshiva budgets…. This is the new civil agenda, which most citizens of this country support, but the haredi parties firmly oppose. That’s their right, but politicians have to be prepared to pay the price for their positions,” he wrote.

Lapid also criticized the haredi parties’ political tactics, writing that they do not accept the rules of the democratic game.

“No one likes to lose, but everyone accepts the basic idea that sometimes you’re in the coalition, and sometimes in the opposition,” he explained, adding that if Yesh Atid ends up in the opposition, they will go proudly, without feeling that someone hates or rejects them.

“Everyone, that is, except for the haredi parties,” he said.

Lapid pointed out that no matter what ideology won the last election – “Left, Right, socialist, capitalist, two-state solution or whole Land of Israel” – the ultra- Orthodox are always willing to be in the coalition.


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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Why don't they draft the Arabs ?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 11:26 AM ChachoMoe Says:

Amazing, how in any normal society,(whether Haredim are right or wrong) comments like Lapid's would have provoked a major outcry of Racism, and would have been denounced by every faction out there...
And again, as in D.C., it is always the Jews themselves that are their worst enemies, and in this case another Relgious Jew 'Bennet', he and Lapid think they are here to stay, they are nothing less than another fly-by-one-time-hope Party, we have seen dozens of these come and go (ask Kadima, Shinui, etc.)all he will be remembered, is the damage he will cause. Oh, and Bennet will never ever have the backing of any of the relgious settler Rabbi's.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 12:30 PM MaverickThinker Says:

Consider that if the upstart parties hold their line and don't help form a haredi-inclusive coalition, that another round of elections might well result in even more seats for these so-called troublemakers. The next prime minister might well be one who will take a cue from her one co-gender predecessor and reload the nukes on the jets.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:47 PM My Take Says:

The name of the party Yesh Atid (means - there is a future) is a paradox. Without Chareidim or Torah there is no future.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 01:52 PM proud-mo-israeli Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Why don't they draft the Arabs ?

would you like the arabs to have guns? Please use your head before commenting.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:07 PM invstm1000 Says:

I'm sure his father tommy is shepping nachas his boy is doing the same thing he did when he was alive.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:17 PM Anonymous Says:

As long as the Chareidi leadership takes the position that their tzibur should boycott the medinah and not participate in any form of national service, it only makes sense that the political leadership of the medinah deny them a seat a the table.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 02:49 PM Anonymous Says:

To proud mo Israeli. If they don't draft the Arabs then they can't draft the Chareidim. When it comes to giving support financially they give the Arabs everything from free medical care to support. They allow Arabs into the court system including the supreme court as judges. I think no Chareidi should join any army as long as the state does not give the one million israeli Jewish public school kids a Torah education. No Torah no army. The government wants to corrupt the young Chareidim into their secular lifestyle and get them to sport tattoos and earrings like they do. We are not fools.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 04:49 PM rebbeofalltherebbes Says:

that loud whining you're hearing?
Thats the sound of Bibi being outmaneuverd, It has very little to do with Charedim, drafts, or anything remotely related.
Everybody,, everything, every principle, is but a pawn

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 07:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Charedim and Charedi parties have called for various boycotts in the past. If you can't take it , too bad. In a democracy you have to be willing to accept other peoples' rights to use the same political and economic tools that you employ.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:49 PM Norden Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Why don't they draft the Arabs ?

Why? So that he cheraidim can continue to play at "learning and to continue their cynical parasitism?

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 08:58 PM Teacher Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

To proud mo Israeli. If they don't draft the Arabs then they can't draft the Chareidim. When it comes to giving support financially they give the Arabs everything from free medical care to support. They allow Arabs into the court system including the supreme court as judges. I think no Chareidi should join any army as long as the state does not give the one million israeli Jewish public school kids a Torah education. No Torah no army. The government wants to corrupt the young Chareidim into their secular lifestyle and get them to sport tattoos and earrings like they do. We are not fools.

Whoever wrote "I think no Chareidi should join any army as long as the state does not give the one million israeli Jewish public school kids a Torah education" is clearly ignorant of the proverb "You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink"..

But there is more: "The government wants to corrupt the young Chareidim into their secular lifestyle and get them to sport tattoos and earrings like they do. We are not fools. ”

No, and neither are we.

I challenge the person who uttered that drivel to produce a single Charedi (young or otherwise) who the government corrupted into "their secular lifestyle" or who has been coerced into sporting tattoos.and/or earrings as a matter of policy.

Did the author of comment #8 ever stop to consider the total absurdity and the lack of simple logic in what she has written? It's really sad and pathetic to read.

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 Mar 03, 2013 at 09:28 PM shredready Says:

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Teacher Says:

Whoever wrote "I think no Chareidi should join any army as long as the state does not give the one million israeli Jewish public school kids a Torah education" is clearly ignorant of the proverb "You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink"..

But there is more: "The government wants to corrupt the young Chareidim into their secular lifestyle and get them to sport tattoos and earrings like they do. We are not fools. ”

No, and neither are we.

I challenge the person who uttered that drivel to produce a single Charedi (young or otherwise) who the government corrupted into "their secular lifestyle" or who has been coerced into sporting tattoos.and/or earrings as a matter of policy.

Did the author of comment #8 ever stop to consider the total absurdity and the lack of simple logic in what she has written? It's really sad and pathetic to read.

of course not she might belive that because that is what is told to her and she does not do any independent thinking

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 02:11 AM Anonymous Says:

I am number 8 replying to comment 12 and 13. There were many religious soldiers mocked for being religious in the israeli army. In fact even hesder soldiers had been harassed. Just last year a soldier from the hesder yeshiva group was forced to remove his tzizes by his secular superior. Don't be blind and foolish that young 18 year old chareidim will be able to withstand temptations as they are purposely exposed to women. In fact every female israeli soldier is entitled to three free abortions. Let them draft the arabs into doing work voluntarily for the israeli army. They get more benefits than the chareidim. Arabs build illegal homes all over and are almost never challenged. Jews who did their service are kicked out like dogs from their homes like gush katif.

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 07:35 AM ShimonHaNasi Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I am number 8 replying to comment 12 and 13. There were many religious soldiers mocked for being religious in the israeli army. In fact even hesder soldiers had been harassed. Just last year a soldier from the hesder yeshiva group was forced to remove his tzizes by his secular superior. Don't be blind and foolish that young 18 year old chareidim will be able to withstand temptations as they are purposely exposed to women. In fact every female israeli soldier is entitled to three free abortions. Let them draft the arabs into doing work voluntarily for the israeli army. They get more benefits than the chareidim. Arabs build illegal homes all over and are almost never challenged. Jews who did their service are kicked out like dogs from their homes like gush katif.

The truth is that the situation has improved dramatically over the years with the IDF becoming more and more suitable for a religious lifestyle. A few years ago when Rabbi Avichai Ronsky was Chief Rabbi of the IDF you could say it was almost behaving as a Kiruv operation. The irony is as more religious Jews enlist or are drafted the more Religious the institution will become. The fight should not be to avoid service but kasher it more along side the Datim. The joke of jokes will be in the future when parents from Tel Aviv will complain about sending their children to the IDF because they are "Fliping out" (becoming bali teshuva). This process began when Rabbi Ronsky was there and very possible could continue with an influx of observant individuals.

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 08:32 AM MD., MB., BS. Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I am number 8 replying to comment 12 and 13. There were many religious soldiers mocked for being religious in the israeli army. In fact even hesder soldiers had been harassed. Just last year a soldier from the hesder yeshiva group was forced to remove his tzizes by his secular superior. Don't be blind and foolish that young 18 year old chareidim will be able to withstand temptations as they are purposely exposed to women. In fact every female israeli soldier is entitled to three free abortions. Let them draft the arabs into doing work voluntarily for the israeli army. They get more benefits than the chareidim. Arabs build illegal homes all over and are almost never challenged. Jews who did their service are kicked out like dogs from their homes like gush katif.

*** 1"Just last year a soldier from the hesder yeshiva group was forced to remove his tzizes by his secular superior."

*** 2 "In fact every female israeli soldier is entitled to three free abortions."

*** 3 "arabs... get more benefits than the chareidim."

We are taught that we must always give the benefit of the doubt (דן לכף זכות). That being the case, Anonymous #8 (and #14!), and to offer you every possible chance to prove your case, I am sure that you will be only too pleased to give us the corroborative details to prove your three assertions quoted above.

Please tell us, in each instance, (a) when the alleged event took place (in the case of the "tzizes" incident) and (b) where it was reported (for all three of your assertions). In other words, please offer us objective documentation to support your claims.

If you are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth then it will not be difficult for you to provide what I ask and we will continue to respect you. On the other hand, if you lie (these things are easy to check) we will know you for what you really are.

Over to you, Anonymous #8 (and #14). We are waiting - but not for ever.

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 08:53 AM Norden Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I am number 8 replying to comment 12 and 13. There were many religious soldiers mocked for being religious in the israeli army. In fact even hesder soldiers had been harassed. Just last year a soldier from the hesder yeshiva group was forced to remove his tzizes by his secular superior. Don't be blind and foolish that young 18 year old chareidim will be able to withstand temptations as they are purposely exposed to women. In fact every female israeli soldier is entitled to three free abortions. Let them draft the arabs into doing work voluntarily for the israeli army. They get more benefits than the chareidim. Arabs build illegal homes all over and are almost never challenged. Jews who did their service are kicked out like dogs from their homes like gush katif.

"Don't be blind and foolish that young 18 year old chareidim will be able to withstand temptations as they are purposely exposed to women."

It is the writer who is being "blind and foolish" here.

If "young 18 year old chareidim" do not have the moral fiber to be able to relate to members of the opposite sex then all the teaching frominstilled by their rebbeim ts was an utter waste. Or were you trying to tell us that all females, of any age, are to be equated to Lilith, and always to be feared even in marriage?

"Arabs build illegal homes all over and are almost never challenged."

That is a total, utter & complete lie, worthy only of 1930s German propaganda. *Unauthorized* houses & unauthorized extensions to existing dwellings built by and/or for Arabs in Silwan, near Har Hazeisim, are regularly demolished by the City authorities. Similar proceedings take place elsewhere in the Arab sector, too.

"Jews who did their service are kicked out like dogs from their homes like gush katif."

If you change "are" for "were" I could agree with you. But always bear in mind that Chareidi parties in the Knesset were willing accomplices in that that appalling tragedy, too.

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 Mar 04, 2013 at 01:28 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

To proud mo Israeli. If they don't draft the Arabs then they can't draft the Chareidim. When it comes to giving support financially they give the Arabs everything from free medical care to support. They allow Arabs into the court system including the supreme court as judges. I think no Chareidi should join any army as long as the state does not give the one million israeli Jewish public school kids a Torah education. No Torah no army. The government wants to corrupt the young Chareidim into their secular lifestyle and get them to sport tattoos and earrings like they do. We are not fools.

Actually part of Lapid's platform was to introduce gemara into the state secular schools.

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