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In this Sunday, Mar. 3, 2013 photo, This BMW hit the car in which Raizel Glauber and Nachman Glauber were riding near the intersection of Kent Ave. and Wilson St. in Brooklyn, N.Y. The driver Mr. Julio Avecedo fled the scene, Police arrested on Feb. 6 2013 Mr. Avecedo in Bethlehem PA. (Photo by James Keivom/NY Daily News via Getty Images-VINNews.com) In this Sunday, Mar. 3, 2013 photo, This BMW hit the car in which Raizel Glauber and Nachman Glauber were riding near the intersection of Kent Ave. and Wilson St. in Brooklyn, N.Y. The driver Mr. Julio Avecedo fled the scene, Police arrested on Feb. 6 2013 Mr. Avecedo in Bethlehem PA. (Photo by James Keivom/NY Daily News via Getty Images-VINNews.com)

Bethlehem, PA - A man suspected of fleeing the scene of a grisly crash in New York City that killed a pregnant woman and her husband was arrested at a convenience store in northeastern Pennsylvania on Wednesday after a friend arranged his surrender with New York authorities.

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Julio Acevedo, 44, walked to officers waiting in cars in the parking lot in Bethlehem, Pa., and was arrested on charges of leaving the scene of an accident, said Paul Browne, chief spokesman for the New York Police Department. Acevedo, wearing a hooded sweatshirt, said nothing to officers who took him into custody, Browne said.

The surrender, which occurred shortly after 5 p.m., was brokered by a friend who had been in touch with police earlier in the day. The friend met officers at New York’s Grand Central Station, then led them to Acevedo in Bethlehem, about 80 miles away, police said.

Acevedo was being held by Pennsylvania State Police and was awaiting extradition to New York. Browne said it wasn’t clear when he would be returned.

It also wasn’t clear if Acevedo had an attorney. The friend had told police that Acevedo would surrender after consulting a lawyer, but none was with him when he turned himself in, Browne said.

Acevedo allegedly was speeding down a Brooklyn street at 60 mph early Sunday when he crashed into a car carrying Nachman and Raizy Glauber, both 21. They died Sunday, and their premature son died Monday.
Acevedo told the Daily News that he was fleeing a gunman who was trying to shoot at him when his borrowed BMW slammed into a hired car carrying the couple. He told the newspaper he fled because he was worried he’d be killed. But police said there were no reports of shots fired in the area at the time of the wreck.

The tragedy unfolded shortly after midnight Sunday, when Raizy Glauber, who was seven months pregnant, decided to go to the hospital because she wasn’t feeling well, her family said. They called a livery cab, a hired car that is arranged via telephone, not hailed off the street like a yellow cab.

The crash with the BMW reduced the cab to a crumpled heap, and Raizy Glauber was thrown from the wreck. The engine ended up in the back seat. The driver of the livery cab was knocked unconscious but was not seriously hurt.

The couple belonged to a close-knit ultra-Orthodox Jewish community in Brooklyn, which is home to the largest community of ultra-Orthodox Jews outside Israel, more than 250,000. They were members of the Satmar Hasidic sect. Raizy Glauber grew up in a prominent rabbinical family. Her husband was studying at a rabbinical college; his family founded a line of clothing for Orthodox Jews.

The child was delivered by cesarean section after his parents were killed. The baby weighed only about 4 pounds when he was delivered, neighbors and friends said. He died of extreme prematurity, the city medical examiner’s office said.

The baby was buried Monday near his parents’ graves, according to a spokesman for the Hasidic Jewish community. About a thousand community members turned out for the young couple’s funeral a day earlier.

Word of Acevedo’s arrest was met with bittersweet satisfaction in the Glaubers’ community.

“It’s a sweet bitter pill to swallow,” said Isaac Abraham, a spokesman for the community. “It’s a little good news that at least the man responsible has been arrested, but it doesn’t bring any of the victims back.”

He added that community members hoped Acevedo would face murder charges. “We in the community hope that today is Acevedo’s last day that he sees daylight for the rest of his life,” he said.

Acevedo was arrested last month on a charge of driving while under the influence, and the case is pending. He was stopped by police after they said he was driving erratically around 3 a.m. Feb. 17. He had a blood-alcohol level of .13, over the limit of .08, police said.

He served about a decade in prison in the 1990s for manslaughter after he was convicted of shooting Kelvin Martin, a Brooklyn criminal whose moniker “50 Cent” was the inspiration for rapper Curtis Jackson’s current stage name.

How Acevedo came to possess the BMW is under investigation. The registered owner was arrested Sunday on insurance fraud charges related to the vehicle, but the case was deferred.


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 Mar 06, 2013 at 05:32 PM yidelle Says:

Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Bh we got him but y did it take do long?

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 05:57 PM monalisa Says:

Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:01 PM No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:09 PM happynow Says:

Reply to #3  
monalisa Says:

Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

for such people to stay in jail i would pay all my taxes for!!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:11 PM volfe Says:

עס ברענגט נישט צורוק אינזער ברידער און שוועסטער וואס זענען אזוי טראגיש פארשניטען געווארן דורוך איינער וואס טראכט נישט פון קיי עם

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:12 PM IMHOpinion Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

No brainier- you have it all wrong.
This driver, along with any other driver who speeds, is a terrorist and a monster. Jew and non Jew alike.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:15 PM Ayin_Tachas_Ayin Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

#4
"megalglin chov al yedey chayav" he is a monster because he actually has a history of being a murderer. Besides - he should not be driving if he has a tendancy to get drunk.

How big of a monster do you need - drunk murderer sounds like a monster to me.

I guess you're falling for his sob faced mug shot.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:16 PM cool masmid Says:

We all know that his capture and subsequent conviction won't change or minimize anything in as far as the severity of this tragedy. But given the facts of this case, his actions make him 100% responsible for what happened, and for him to run off not only proves his guilt but makes the case for justice to be served all the more compelling. My heart breaks for the families. May the RSO give the families true nechoma.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:16 PM bubii Says:

In pa. pennsylvania wow, that shows that he had no intention of giving himself up unbeleivable

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
yidelle Says:

Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment

Where did you get that idea?
And BTW does anyone know if they were wearing seat. Belts? Maybe it'll be a Toiveh for the Neshume that we raise awareness on "seat belts" and save other lives

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:17 PM volfe Says:

עס טרייסט קיינעם די טופע וואונדען וועע נישט אזוי שנעל אויסגעהיילט ווערן
בלויז מען האט ארפ גענומען אן ארויסגעשטעקטע טשוואק וואס האטגעשעדיגט מענטשען

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:18 PM enlightened-yid Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Bh we got him but y did it take do long?

What took so long? It hasn't even been 7 days since the accident and law enforcement caught him. Instead of being always ungrateful of law enforcement effort, say thank you for all the resources and effort put into this. How many car accident victims get national media attention and such swift police investigation? Many hit and run drivers are never caught!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

Driving 60mph in a 30mph speed zone makes him a monster. He's bound to hit something at that high speed.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:29 PM Big Masmid Says:

Reply to #1  
yidelle Says:

Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment

“ Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment ” says who? in heaven they don't care about such things, they are happy to be there, we are the ones who are suffering down here.

we have to do Teshuva NOW

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:30 PM Anonymous Says:

He quite obviously had no intention of surrendering. Did he think PA was so far away that he wouldn't be found? That phone call was probably a hoax.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:33 PM No Brainer Says:

Reply to #7  
IMHOpinion Says:

No brainier- you have it all wrong.
This driver, along with any other driver who speeds, is a terrorist and a monster. Jew and non Jew alike.

I didn't mean to belittle his crime ch"vsh! I was just thinking about the report yesterday about all the people speeding on that same spot as this chorban happened! People drive almost double the speed limit! Do they consider themselves the same terrorists? I definitely believe speed limits are there to SAVE LIVES! My intention was to "think before you speed", and do something good for another yid too! Now, IMHOpinion, I'd like to see your driving record as you are perfect and never do anything wrong. (or do you never speed? not even 5 above? are you an angel perhaps?)

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:43 PM Anonymous Says:

he will probably get a slap on the wrist with a plea bargain because he will plead guilty, while a few innocent people are sitting with long sentences, a few of them our brothers and sisters, because they refused to lie under oath and admit to crimes they were framed for. One gets 103 years, one gets 15 years, one gets 27 years, one gets 30 years. We no longer have a justice system, only a plea bargain system. All prosecutors care about is making convictions, not serving justice.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:47 PM Brian Says:

Reply to #3  
monalisa Says:

Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

We don't believe in mob rule. I'm all for punishing this guy, but imagine if it were a yid who killed the couple and then fled. The attitude would be quite different.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 06:58 PM Anonymous Says:

a bunch of ungrateful people here

first, the fact that the usa is one of the last few places we are still welcomed should tell you to please stop bashing the gov every chance you get

second, they caught him quick

third, figure out if there are ways to prevent this in the future

forth, stop talking so much and do something

fifth, only solution is, once a drunk always a drunk NEVER allow them to drive EVER no exception! If someone allows a person with no licence to drive their car, that person should go to jail for 5 years, regardless if the other person killed someone or not.

Last but not least, time to put speed bumps everywhere, people should drive down regular streets so fast, asking obviously doesnt help so we must place speed bumps ALL OVER the place

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:05 PM common-cense Says:

Let's be a little cool headed here,
1) Yes he has a prior history being in a gun fight - which has nothing to do with this case here

2) Yes he was arrested a month ago for drunk driving - which has nothing to do in this case except if it is PROVEN and I repeat PROVEN (remember assumptions don't matter) that he was drunk in this case

3) Even if its proven that he WAS drunk - had the cab driver not blown the stop sign, we wouldn't even be discussing this today

4) Yes he ran away - so would a lot of people do when they panic, that does not make him for a murder (he may be a murder for shooting som1 with a gun - but not when he is involved in an accident)

5) Yes he was speeding - so does 95% percent drivers, are we all murders??

To sum it up: He should get fined for speeding, (so should all of us when we speed)
He should get fined for leaving the scene of an accident,
If its proven drunk; he should get his license suspended,
MURDER charges?? NO NO

If u wanna consider murder charges, pls check first if u can PROVE that the cab driver blew the stop sign, then charge the cab driver with unintentional murder, but we still have to understand that he prob never had a baby and he was panicking when the couple RUSHED him to the hospital.

To the media: Mr. Abraham is NOT a community spokesman, he doesn't speak for me or my family even though I live in the community...

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:11 PM Renegade Says:

I gotta admit I was wrong.
I was sure he was half way to mexico by now...

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
monalisa Says:

Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

"Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money."

We should do this with our child molesters also. Let the parents get to them!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:17 PM common-cense Says:

Let me add:

6) Even if: He was speeding; He was drunk; He had suspended license; He fled the scene - The BMW had the right of way, not the cab !!!
So, cool it a little. And yes, I'm frm the community (willy) and most people here think the same.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:19 PM Barzilai Says:

In my neighborhood in Chicago, the drivers are famous for speeding out of alleys without stopping, even though a young Jewish child was killed not long ago by just such tipshus. Stop signs? A joke. Speed limits in residential areas? For losers. All very funny until rachmana litzlan it's not funny any more. For people who allegedly live al pi seichel, there's plenty of stupidity going around.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:29 PM Lakewoodwife Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

I love you no brainer! I have to agree, in no way defending a murderer, drunkard and criminal, that so many of us do exactly what he did. Just because our speeding hasn't yet killed someone, doesn't make it any less dangerous than his. When I heard the story, after shedding many many tears, the first thing I did was think about what I could take away from the tragedy for my own self-improvement. I came up with being careful not to speed, especially in residential areas, and also working on the all important ahavas yisroel. May Hashem bring the end to all suffering today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Where did you get that idea?
And BTW does anyone know if they were wearing seat. Belts? Maybe it'll be a Toiveh for the Neshume that we raise awareness on "seat belts" and save other lives

the husband was wearing his seatbelt

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:32 PM seat belt Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Where did you get that idea?
And BTW does anyone know if they were wearing seat. Belts? Maybe it'll be a Toiveh for the Neshume that we raise awareness on "seat belts" and save other lives

"Toiveh" ? From what I heard, she was not wearing one, was thrown from the vehicle and was still alive after winding up under the parked trailer. He, was wearing a seat belt and died upon impact. The saying that seat belts save lives is probably true, except when our creator decides otherwise.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:42 PM Hakuton Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

I totally agree!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 07:53 PM Benny Says:

Unfortunate by now all the alcohol in his system is probably gone...
I believe the NYPD will follow back his trail from his statements and maybe find the Bar he drank and they can see how many drinks he had and figure out if he was intoxicated...Other wise there is no way the DA will get him prosecuted for manslaughter charges...He was very shrewd to escape knowing his consequences if he stayed on the scene...

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:04 PM BLONDI Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

you are speaking from the heart. bravo on your message. let us all be brotherly to one another especially when we all have some stress about the upcoming yomtov of pesach.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:06 PM haing zich Says:

I cant see the judge giving him a life setence for 2 reasons 1) he didnt intened to kill them, after all it was an accident, 2) there was no d.w.i. The must he'll get is for leaving the scene, which will make it to manslaughter which usually carries a 15yr setence, and with good behavior, he'll b back on the road bfore u know it...

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:22 PM IMHOpinion Says:

Reply to #17  
No Brainer Says:

I didn't mean to belittle his crime ch"vsh! I was just thinking about the report yesterday about all the people speeding on that same spot as this chorban happened! People drive almost double the speed limit! Do they consider themselves the same terrorists? I definitely believe speed limits are there to SAVE LIVES! My intention was to "think before you speed", and do something good for another yid too! Now, IMHOpinion, I'd like to see your driving record as you are perfect and never do anything wrong. (or do you never speed? not even 5 above? are you an angel perhaps?)

No brainier- 60 MPH in a 25-30 zone is monsterous and murderous.
5 or 10 above limit is just a bit irresponsible, yet not terribly dangerous.
That said, I don't drive, but I still know the different between an irresponsible driver and a murderer.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:28 PM Anonymous Says:

If indeed the cabbie did blow the stop sign, had the bmw driver been driving at 30mph, i dont think the results of this accident would have been so severe, he could have slowed down much quicker. In my opinion, its definitely the bmw's fault.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Big Masmid Says:

“ Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment ” says who? in heaven they don't care about such things, they are happy to be there, we are the ones who are suffering down here.

we have to do Teshuva NOW

i totaly agree

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:37 PM jewboy123 Says:

Reply to #1  
yidelle Says:

Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment

How do u know that

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:47 PM The Gemara in Shabbos 139:1 Says:

He didn't intend to Kill.

It really WAS an accident!

What did he do?

Drink and Drive? (Didn't everyone else in Willy, do the same on Purim?)

What did he do?

Speed 60 mph ?

To this very moment, everyone else on Kent Ave still speeds?

So what did the Goy do, different from everyone else in Willy?

It's just his Mazal, tat G-d wanted this couple killed, and this Goy was the selected Shliach, to crash in to this couple, which was BASHERT anyway.

So who's fault is it that it was BASHERT for the couple to suffer this tragedy?

The Gemara in Shabbos 139:1 says tat it's the Willy community leadership and it's Dayonim who are to blame and they could have prevented it - nothing else could prevent it if it's BASHERT.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:48 PM BmakomSheainIsh Says:

Reply to #3  
monalisa Says:

Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

Ironically threats like this reinforce the idea that there was reason for him to fear for his life and not stick around. You are not helping anybody with your macho floolishness.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 08:58 PM Nirah-Lee Says:

Reply to #3  
monalisa Says:

Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

This is exactly the teretz he will use to justify his vayivrach saying he had moirah from unzerer. PLEASE do not give him that teretz by saying such shtusim b'rabim?

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
seat belt Says:

"Toiveh" ? From what I heard, she was not wearing one, was thrown from the vehicle and was still alive after winding up under the parked trailer. He, was wearing a seat belt and died upon impact. The saying that seat belts save lives is probably true, except when our creator decides otherwise.

And since our Creator ALWAYS decides even the most minor of minutia in every situation.... nothing changes with or w/o seat belts. Now you can scream at me... but think about it and you'll realize it's emes!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
yidelle Says:

Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment

really? how so?

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
monalisa Says:

Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money.

why? what would that bunch of cowards do?

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Where did you get that idea?
And BTW does anyone know if they were wearing seat. Belts? Maybe it'll be a Toiveh for the Neshume that we raise awareness on "seat belts" and save other lives

there is no law for the rear seat paasengers to wear seat belts

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
happynow Says:

for such people to stay in jail i would pay all my taxes for!!

so apparently you don't do that now, tax-cheat!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:23 PM define blowing a stop sign Says:

There is a lot of talk about blowing the stop sign.
The issue is that you stop at a stop sign and proceed if the coast is clear. This takes into account what you see and the apparant ditance/speed of oncoming traffic. Drivers can be very adept at judging distance but it is impossible to judge speed.
I am not sure the issue was blowing the stop sign, it might have been failure to imagine a jerk would drive at double the speed limit.

I am unable to sit in a car without seatbelts. I do not blame the victims for not using seatbelts. I also use seatbelts when in a car service, back seat. Do you?

1, The speed of impact would have caused severe injuries or death even with seatbelts. The massive acceleration and deacceleration shakes the brain severely.
I have also read that the enggine was displaced into the vehicle. In such a case all bets are off.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:24 PM Priorities? Says:

This guy already sat in Jail for MURDER and came out a few years later.
Why??

Because:
Hynes is busy letting the Murderers free in order to empty the prisons cells for Orthodox child molestors.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:30 PM ChareidiMan Says:

Reply to #1  
yidelle Says:

Its good for the Neshuma's that the killer gets his punishment

WOW thats a first one, would you please pinpoint me the Sefer where it says that

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 09:40 PM 10 Years Says:

I saw a comment in an earlier post that I'll re-word.
This guy sat only 10 years for a homicide.

I hope he also molested a child so that this time he will sit more than 10 years.
(But then again the laws may be different for Jewish and non Jewish molesters).

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

If indeed the cabbie did blow the stop sign, had the bmw driver been driving at 30mph, i dont think the results of this accident would have been so severe, he could have slowed down much quicker. In my opinion, its definitely the bmw's fault.

good, then, that your opinion counts for nothing!

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:20 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

he will probably get a slap on the wrist with a plea bargain because he will plead guilty, while a few innocent people are sitting with long sentences, a few of them our brothers and sisters, because they refused to lie under oath and admit to crimes they were framed for. One gets 103 years, one gets 15 years, one gets 27 years, one gets 30 years. We no longer have a justice system, only a plea bargain system. All prosecutors care about is making convictions, not serving justice.

yes justice is not always fair last year a frum person killed a man and ran just like this guy and nothing happened to him I am sure everybody was calling for his head or maybe not since the victim was a goy

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:32 PM yid18 Says:

HELP! some of these comments are so 'objectively' heartless and ridiculous. first of all, two wrongs don't ever make one right! anyone who speeds on local streets is WRONG no matter who they are. that being said someone who drives at crazy speeds because he's drunk and slams into another car and walks away cold bloodedly without checking on the people he hit is absolutely a MURDERER!!!! and for all of you who are trying to show you can be liberal minded objective jerks put yourselves in the shoes of the parents of this innocent beautiful couple and see if you will still be so cold bloodedly objective. He waited to give himself up long enough for any trace of alcohol to be out of his body.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

And since our Creator ALWAYS decides even the most minor of minutia in every situation.... nothing changes with or w/o seat belts. Now you can scream at me... but think about it and you'll realize it's emes!

THAT is what you say when something negative happens to YOU, but when something bad or terrible happens to another YOU SHOULD BE CRYING YOUR HEART OUT WITH COMPASSION!!!!!!!!! you sound like a self righteous hipocrit

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:37 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

Sorry, I respectfully, disagree with your proclamations. He is a habitual offender, driving under the influence and previously guilty of homicide and now being involved in vehicular homicide off three, human being, even my liberal hear,t doesn’t care for this person, if you could call him person.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:44 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #46  
Priorities? Says:

This guy already sat in Jail for MURDER and came out a few years later.
Why??

Because:
Hynes is busy letting the Murderers free in order to empty the prisons cells for Orthodox child molestors.

he was in for manslaughter not murder a big deference. Yes I am sure that is what Hynes is doing he found out his plan why not expose this to the world

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Priorities? Says:

This guy already sat in Jail for MURDER and came out a few years later.
Why??

Because:
Hynes is busy letting the Murderers free in order to empty the prisons cells for Orthodox child molestors.

If that is true, then I am happy, as I fear the child molesters but have no reason to worry about a murderer who has no cause to kill me.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
shredready Says:

yes justice is not always fair last year a frum person killed a man and ran just like this guy and nothing happened to him I am sure everybody was calling for his head or maybe not since the victim was a goy

Is it too much to ask that VIN commenters be required to write in good enough English so their comments can be understood?

When you can't tell which side of an argument the commenter is on, then it is obvious that he is not communicating well enough to be allowed to leave comments.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:48 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #48  
10 Years Says:

I saw a comment in an earlier post that I'll re-word.
This guy sat only 10 years for a homicide.

I hope he also molested a child so that this time he will sit more than 10 years.
(But then again the laws may be different for Jewish and non Jewish molesters).

you have no idea many molesters get very long term the problem with you and many others you only bother to notice when it is a black hat and then get upset. and yes a frum guy hit and ran and killed a man and did not get nay jail time at all. was that fair? justice is not always fair, not to Jews, blacks, whites or anybody .

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:49 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

And since our Creator ALWAYS decides even the most minor of minutia in every situation.... nothing changes with or w/o seat belts. Now you can scream at me... but think about it and you'll realize it's emes!

so I guess you do not wear seat belts

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:50 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #21  
common-cense Says:

Let's be a little cool headed here,
1) Yes he has a prior history being in a gun fight - which has nothing to do with this case here

2) Yes he was arrested a month ago for drunk driving - which has nothing to do in this case except if it is PROVEN and I repeat PROVEN (remember assumptions don't matter) that he was drunk in this case

3) Even if its proven that he WAS drunk - had the cab driver not blown the stop sign, we wouldn't even be discussing this today

4) Yes he ran away - so would a lot of people do when they panic, that does not make him for a murder (he may be a murder for shooting som1 with a gun - but not when he is involved in an accident)

5) Yes he was speeding - so does 95% percent drivers, are we all murders??

To sum it up: He should get fined for speeding, (so should all of us when we speed)
He should get fined for leaving the scene of an accident,
If its proven drunk; he should get his license suspended,
MURDER charges?? NO NO

If u wanna consider murder charges, pls check first if u can PROVE that the cab driver blew the stop sign, then charge the cab driver with unintentional murder, but we still have to understand that he prob never had a baby and he was panicking when the couple RUSHED him to the hospital.

To the media: Mr. Abraham is NOT a community spokesman, he doesn't speak for me or my family even though I live in the community...

I hear you, but you cannot look at him with each occurrence in isolation. I agree that he need to be tried and convicted, but the question what after being found guilty for vehicular homicide, a few years will not change this habitual crime machine. Some people need to be put away for a long time and I willing to speculate, that this one will be away at a minimum 25 years.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:54 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

"Just let him out on Lee Avenue. Save the taxpayers a lot of money."

We should do this with our child molesters also. Let the parents get to them!

Are you implying that mob justices, rules in Williamsburg?

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 10:58 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #26  
Lakewoodwife Says:

I love you no brainer! I have to agree, in no way defending a murderer, drunkard and criminal, that so many of us do exactly what he did. Just because our speeding hasn't yet killed someone, doesn't make it any less dangerous than his. When I heard the story, after shedding many many tears, the first thing I did was think about what I could take away from the tragedy for my own self-improvement. I came up with being careful not to speed, especially in residential areas, and also working on the all important ahavas yisroel. May Hashem bring the end to all suffering today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I applaud you.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
shredready Says:

yes justice is not always fair last year a frum person killed a man and ran just like this guy and nothing happened to him I am sure everybody was calling for his head or maybe not since the victim was a goy

It is typical that you would: a) stick up for someone who killed three innocent individuals solely because the unfortunate victims were frum Jews. b) bring a made up story (I know the story you are referring to, what happened is not how you are portraying it nor is it in anyway similar to this case) to try to show that there was allegedly an injustice carried out by a Jew.

You are, of course completely wrong in both instances and are lower than a piece of drek. You are as low as this Acevedo piece of ......

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:02 PM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #37  
The Gemara in Shabbos 139:1 Says:

He didn't intend to Kill.

It really WAS an accident!

What did he do?

Drink and Drive? (Didn't everyone else in Willy, do the same on Purim?)

What did he do?

Speed 60 mph ?

To this very moment, everyone else on Kent Ave still speeds?

So what did the Goy do, different from everyone else in Willy?

It's just his Mazal, tat G-d wanted this couple killed, and this Goy was the selected Shliach, to crash in to this couple, which was BASHERT anyway.

So who's fault is it that it was BASHERT for the couple to suffer this tragedy?

The Gemara in Shabbos 139:1 says tat it's the Willy community leadership and it's Dayonim who are to blame and they could have prevented it - nothing else could prevent it if it's BASHERT.

Your dissertation is unbelievable and corrupted.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:04 PM monalisa Says:

Reply to #19  
Brian Says:

We don't believe in mob rule. I'm all for punishing this guy, but imagine if it were a yid who killed the couple and then fled. The attitude would be quite different.

I've yet to hear of a Yid doing what he did. My point is this: if the public can't be kept safe by Judges & prosecutors who are soft on crime, then what do we have left? Maybe the idea of urban justice has some merit.

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
Nirah-Lee Says:

This is exactly the teretz he will use to justify his vayivrach saying he had moirah from unzerer. PLEASE do not give him that teretz by saying such shtusim b'rabim?

You are entitled to your opinion. I have mine. We agree to disagree, not a problem! :)

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

why? what would that bunch of cowards do?

Rip him apart??

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:15 PM IJK12 Says:

Reply to #4  
No brainer Says:

Just for some thought.
Does anybody consider themselves a terrorist when they speed? Yes he had prior convictions and im not trying to whitewash him at all, nor does this reduce our pain the slightest bit for these victims. Yes we have to set examples to keep our streets safe. But that still doesnt make him a monster! Yes he did something horribly wrong, yet it still is missing intention! The way i see it? It was min hashamayim that this tragedy should befall all of us. Sadly, the only time i see us brothers here on vin acting brotherly is when tragedy befalls us. Bros perhaps we can stick together even without any disaster? Perhaps this might be a good starter for me!

What about you? Will you join me in showing ha-m that we want this to stop and well become better yiddin.

Comment 51 hit the nail on the button!! To the point!
PS: So why do you say No Brainer? (-;

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 05:48 AM MeiraKingberg Says:

He was only charged with fleeing an accident? How about 3 counts of vehicular manslaughter?

Also, at 4 lbs. and 7 mos. that baby should have survived barring any other injuries. Plenty of smaller preemies who make it to 7 mos survive. The doctors let him die because he didn't have parents. Do not accept what doctors are telling you. Fight for them to do everything in their power because it's easier and more cost effective for them to let someone go, even if that person is young and strong.

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 07:06 AM seat belt Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

And since our Creator ALWAYS decides even the most minor of minutia in every situation.... nothing changes with or w/o seat belts. Now you can scream at me... but think about it and you'll realize it's emes!

Wrong. Hashem runs his world bderech hatevah and not bderech nes. Bderech hatevah, seat belts savelives

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:40 PM commen sence two Says:

Reply to #21  
common-cense Says:

Let's be a little cool headed here,
1) Yes he has a prior history being in a gun fight - which has nothing to do with this case here

2) Yes he was arrested a month ago for drunk driving - which has nothing to do in this case except if it is PROVEN and I repeat PROVEN (remember assumptions don't matter) that he was drunk in this case

3) Even if its proven that he WAS drunk - had the cab driver not blown the stop sign, we wouldn't even be discussing this today

4) Yes he ran away - so would a lot of people do when they panic, that does not make him for a murder (he may be a murder for shooting som1 with a gun - but not when he is involved in an accident)

5) Yes he was speeding - so does 95% percent drivers, are we all murders??

To sum it up: He should get fined for speeding, (so should all of us when we speed)
He should get fined for leaving the scene of an accident,
If its proven drunk; he should get his license suspended,
MURDER charges?? NO NO

If u wanna consider murder charges, pls check first if u can PROVE that the cab driver blew the stop sign, then charge the cab driver with unintentional murder, but we still have to understand that he prob never had a baby and he was panicking when the couple RUSHED him to the hospital.

To the media: Mr. Abraham is NOT a community spokesman, he doesn't speak for me or my family even though I live in the community...

I have to agree with you except for #5 I would say everyone who drives goes over the speed limit or speeds up to make the yellow/red light once in a while. There are some long streches of city streets, like Kent ave, where you wouldn't even realize if you went 5-10 miles over the limit. Bottom line is now mater how much the "community spokesmen" yell and scream any lawyer will get him out of this,

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 Mar 06, 2013 at 11:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
JoeGrossJR Says:

Sorry, I respectfully, disagree with your proclamations. He is a habitual offender, driving under the influence and previously guilty of homicide and now being involved in vehicular homicide off three, human being, even my liberal hear,t doesn’t care for this person, if you could call him person.

no judge will allow previous crimes into the current case unless they were connected.

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 01:49 AM Brian Says:

Reply to #64  
monalisa Says:

I've yet to hear of a Yid doing what he did. My point is this: if the public can't be kept safe by Judges & prosecutors who are soft on crime, then what do we have left? Maybe the idea of urban justice has some merit.

The only crime proven that he has committed is fleeing the scene. There is no proof he was intoxicated... My Instinct tells me that he was reckless (and caused 3 needless deaths). There HAVE been frum yidden who drove reckless and have killed. Being reckless ISN'T a crime. Driving intoxicated is a crime but not an evil or cruel one. Anybody who thinks this guy was out to kill a couple that night is out of their minds. If we would follow Torah law, he would be chayev nezek, tsaar...

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 02:04 AM shlomogabai Says:

Reply to #67  
IJK12 Says:

Comment 51 hit the nail on the button!! To the point!
PS: So why do you say No Brainer? (-;

Read #17.

While one can call names, and "put yourself in the shoes of the parents", I think this shouldn't alter our judgement. A rotzeach he might be, (I don't judge on this either,) A judge cannot and should not rule innocence based on putting in ones shoes, but rather on guilt! ruling on punishment is arguably justified to be by "putting in ones shoes". I bet you agree on this. Now my guts wants him in jail, but I think this should rather be a waking call for me to slow down, and work on my ahavas yisroel! Do you agree?

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 08:07 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

It is typical that you would: a) stick up for someone who killed three innocent individuals solely because the unfortunate victims were frum Jews. b) bring a made up story (I know the story you are referring to, what happened is not how you are portraying it nor is it in anyway similar to this case) to try to show that there was allegedly an injustice carried out by a Jew.

You are, of course completely wrong in both instances and are lower than a piece of drek. You are as low as this Acevedo piece of ......

I never stuck up for this guy. BTU explain the difference from the other story. Did he hit a human with his car? Did he stop to see if he was OK? Did he turn himself in right away? No to all. Did the person die? Yes. However then all concern was for the driver and derogatory comments about the goy; he must of been drunk and walked right in front of the car. That is my point.

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 08:48 AM yidelle Says:

After 74 comments many have in a way defended the rotzach but no one has defended comentator #1, "Kol Demei Ochichu Tzoakim Alie" thats the basis but Chasidishe teaching talk about it.

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 09:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
Brian Says:

The only crime proven that he has committed is fleeing the scene. There is no proof he was intoxicated... My Instinct tells me that he was reckless (and caused 3 needless deaths). There HAVE been frum yidden who drove reckless and have killed. Being reckless ISN'T a crime. Driving intoxicated is a crime but not an evil or cruel one. Anybody who thinks this guy was out to kill a couple that night is out of their minds. If we would follow Torah law, he would be chayev nezek, tsaar...

Another crime he committed was speeding. He admitted it, but came up with a story why he was speeding.

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 10:36 AM JoeGrossJR Says:

Reply to #71  
Anonymous Says:

no judge will allow previous crimes into the current case unless they were connected.

You are partially correct, during the trial his lawyer would put in a motion to exclude, I would venture to say that the homicide conviction will be excluded, but the driving while under the influence would be allowed because it was not that long ago and it goes to show his propensity.

That said after a conviction, during sentencing the judge may and he will use his previous history as mitigating or inculpating factors. That was my point, because of his previous convictions’, the Judge will do justices.

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 Mar 07, 2013 at 12:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #74  
shredready Says:

I never stuck up for this guy. BTU explain the difference from the other story. Did he hit a human with his car? Did he stop to see if he was OK? Did he turn himself in right away? No to all. Did the person die? Yes. However then all concern was for the driver and derogatory comments about the goy; he must of been drunk and walked right in front of the car. That is my point.

Shready,

There is no digging out for you.

Just like Acevedo, you have a despicable past record of similar offenses against Jews and humanity.

Besides that you are outright stupid.

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 Mar 10, 2013 at 01:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

he will probably get a slap on the wrist with a plea bargain because he will plead guilty, while a few innocent people are sitting with long sentences, a few of them our brothers and sisters, because they refused to lie under oath and admit to crimes they were framed for. One gets 103 years, one gets 15 years, one gets 27 years, one gets 30 years. We no longer have a justice system, only a plea bargain system. All prosecutors care about is making convictions, not serving justice.

Have you realized that you contradict yourself, you clown? According to you our brothers & sisters haven't lied under oath and therefore they're sitting in jail for soneone else. Obviously they have commited a crime! If not they can't deny it they're guilty. Think before you speak.

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