Rockland County, NY – Ramapo’s Hasidic Jewish bloc vote provided the margin of victory for Democrat Thomas Zugibe for district attorney and for Republican Sheriff James Kralik’s re-election, according to unofficial election returns and officials involved in the close contests. Join our WhatsApp group
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After being lobbied by Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer, a New Square leader said yesterday that the community gave Zugibe 1,978 votes to 23 for Republican incumbent Michael Bongiorno, who had been promised the community’s vote until the governor intervened last week.
Zugibe beat Bongiorno by 1,223 votes in the countywide race, according to unofficial tallies from the Board of Elections.
In the sheriff’s contest, New Square and Kaser combined to give Kralik 2,987 votes, compared with 45 for Democrat Tim O’Neill. [journalnews]
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{{{Its very sad that there will never be another normal polotician DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL OR YESHIVA? CAN’T EVEN SPELL? POLITICIAN?) voted into office again. Because of the chasidic block vote there will only be liberal democrats who are self loving and will do anything to get re-elected. }}
IT IS SAD TO SEE YOUR SELF HATRED (NOT IN MY BACKYARD, SELFISH) ATTITUDE TOWARDS ANOTHER JEW. THERE ARE ELECTIONS ALL THE TIME IN THIS COUNTRY, AND HEATED DEBATED BETWEEN LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVE. BUT WHEN IT WAS CHASSIDIC JEWS WHO VOTED, YOU SEE IT IN YOUR TWISTED MIND AS SOMETHING UNETHICAL AND NOT FAIR “TO YOU!” , AS IF THEY TOOK SOMETHING AWAY FROM YOU!
{{{I moved from Monsey to Wesley Hills to get away from it all (i.e.looking at main st. turn into Williamsburg) and now it looks like I may have to move further away. I am sure you saw the illegal building begin across from Wesley Kosher.}}}
WELL, PERHAPS MOVE BACK TO QUEENS OR FLATBUSH. I REMEMBER WHEN THEY BUILD YOUR HOUSES ON ASHLAWN OR FAIRVIEW OVEL, AND IGNORED “MY PROTESTS” ABOUT “YOUR” GREEDY BUILDER DESTROYING MY BEAUTIFUL SURROUNDINGS, BUT YOU CAME AND SETTLED INTO YOUR HOUSE ANYWAYS, SO I WILL NOT CRY IF YOU MOVE TO ANOTHER PLACE, BETTER YET WITH MORE RED NECK GOYIM, WHO WILL MAKE YOU FEEL MORE WELCOME THEN THE UNSIGHTLY HASSIDIM!
{{It’s a shame that some people will violate all halachos and laws and bribe poloticians (AGAIN THE BAD SPELLING!?) so that they can live near the Rebba and so they can make quick cash by developing. }}}}
ALL THE POLITICIANS ARE RUNNING ARROUND PROMOSING DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT GROUPS, BUT WHEN IT IS TO HASSIDIC JEWS, IT IS BRIBING AND VIOLATING LAWS.
{{{Lastly it is just wrong to for a rebbi to get up and clop on the bima and say vote for SL and we will bus you in for free. These young men would not vote for anyone without being told to do so, remember they are like sheep and will do what they are told. Nobody should be told who to vote for. Come on be fair. }}}
YOU SEEM TO BE SO MUCH AMERICANIZED THAT YOU DON’T EVEN WANT TO RESPECT SOMEONE WHO CONSIDERS A DAAS TORAH!
AND IF IT IS THAT SIMPLE, WHY DID THE CANDIDATES SPEND SO MUCH MONEY ON ADDS IN THE HASSIDIC NEWSPAPERS, IF ALL YOU NEED IS THE RABBI ON THE BIMAH? NAD WHY DID MOST RABBI’S FROM UPTOWN MONSEY DO THE SAME? AND WHY DID MOST JEWS DISAPPOINT PRESERVE RAMAPO AND DECIDED THEY CANNOT VOTE FOR THAT?
Why do you assume that I am MO? Because I voted for PR?
No, because I can read results, which shows that Mele got almost no votes in any Jewish area, besides three disticts in Wesely-Pomona.
אונדזער צרה איז חסידים בױען גרױסע שטיב אין קלײנע דערפלעך װײַט פון ברוקלין. מינהג איז זײער אַנדערש אין קירת יואל און זײ דאַרפן רעדן מיט אַלע מענטשן אין געגנט בשלום.
One fact that is omitted here is that this campaign was mostly financed by certain developers and they used scare tactics. Most people don’t even know the issues.
3:13 we have the right to vote, whats your point. what if he was only 1 out of many, and yes he is brazen enough to admit it, that is the free America YOU live in.
TO: November 9, 2007 2:59 PM:
ok, SO YOU WERE ONE OF THE 11 IN KASER, OR THE ONE IN NS, OR ONE OF THE ABOUT 22 IN THE OTHER ORTHODOX MONSEY NEEIGHBORHOODS.
i GET THE PICTURE
Why do you assume that I am MO? Because I voted for PR? I go to Mikva daily, I daven Mincha after Shkiya, I hold R’T’s zman on Motzei Shabbos. I also dave by a Chasidishe Rebbe who did in fact back CSL. However I chose to see past the fair and unbalanced attacks that went out against Mele and chose him based on the facts. I am for what he envisions Rampo looking like. I know that I and you are here to stay and he knows that too. We differ on what Monsey and Ramapo should look like. I have been living here since the early 70’s and became used to what it was then. Progress is nice, overdevelopment and abusing land is not. Since the beginning of time, there have been cities, and villages. Zoning laws were made to protect the villages from looking like cities. PR was started to protect those laws. I like that, and I am chasidish. Good Shabbos
You see and believe what you want to see.
You hate Hassidic developements, and for that reason, the site of the Hassidim in YOUR town, so wherever they will build will not be good. And when Airmont or Spring Valley pushes into every sq. feet, THAT was commercial or some other BS zone..
Give me a break!
}}There is no development in Rockland comparable to what the frum developers are doing. The buildings in haverstraw and spring valley were not placed on quiet country roads that are totally unsuited for large amounts of traffic. They were not put in quiet single family neighborhoods. There IS a difference. Its just that the frum don’t seem to care if their quiet neighborhoods turn to noise and congestion.
November 8, 2007 5:45 PM}}
You are WRONG!
The Rabbanim are as smart as you are. The Rabanim from YOUR area also supported CSL at the end!
Know why?
They became convinced what was truly behind the agenda of people like Robert Rhodes! And that they HATE ANY torah observing Jew! They do not want to see YOU (MO) walking on a sidewalk on 306 on shabbos, and even gave up a $300,000 grand for it!
Most Jews from your neighborhood realized that, which is why PR got so little support. YOU (and a few others) are so assimilated and Americanized, that you think that by being holier then the pope you will have a better American life…
Well, the Jew from Berlin or Hungry had the same and even quicker end as the Chassidic Jew from Poland! Turned out they hated them all the same! Not even the Kappo who helped the SS got off any better!
Yes, there is a legitimate debate here, but PR got carried away with their hate message, which they forgot to hide. Fortunately most MO and their Rabbi’s realized it all rather quickly.
Face it: You lost with a landslide! %22!! CSL got 15,000 votes! Don’t come here and try to accuse the Chassidim of not bring fair with voting!
You are WRONG!
The Rabbanim are as smart as you are. The Rabanim from YOUR area also supported CSL at the end!
Know why?
They became convinced what was truly behind the agenda of people like Robert Rhodes! And that they HATE ANY torah observing Jew! They do not want to see YOU (MO) walking on a sidewalk on 306 on shabbos, and even gave up a $300,000 grand for it!
Most Jews from your neighborhood realized that, which is why PR got so little support. YOU (and a few others) are so assimilated and Americanized, that you think that by being holier then the pope you will have a better American life…
Well, the Jew from Berlin or Hungry had the same and even quicker end as the Chassidic Jew from Poland! Turned out they hated them all the same! Not even the Kappo who helped the SS got off any better!
Yes, there is a legitimate debate here, but PR got carried away with their hate message, which they forgot to hide. Fortunately most MO and their Rabbi’s realized it all rather quickly.
Face it: You lost with a landslide! %22!! CSL got 15,000 votes! Don’t come here and try to accuse the Chassidim of not bring fair with voting!
The reason St Lawrence was supported by those Yeshivas and Shuls was because of the false rumor and made up newspapers going around with headlines showing pictures of closed schools. Another headline said “Thousands of TASHBAR are forced to learn on the street after the Yeshiva was R”L closed. Come on, we live in N.Y. the most tollerant state in the country, in the 21st cenury. Do you think 1) Mele ever made such a claim 2) That Governor Spitzer or Senator Clinton (2 winners) would ever let such a thing happen? Das Torah my foot, it was all fear mongering so that CSL would get in again and let Kaser takeh expand till it is 1 block away from Dolson and than on further until it is connected to Williamsburg.
To anonymous 9:34
I was an active member of the Town of Ramapo Republican Committee for over 20 years, We had some very good people running Brian Miele, Mike Koplen, Bob Katz, Noach Weinberg. There was an interest in getting young frum ppl involed That was until the party was hijacked by PR with the help of the local party goons.
I vote GOP for the top of the ticket and voted for CSL team on the Conservitive party.
BTW it was not just ” thoses chasidim” who voted for CSL, Concord, Forshay, Blueberry Hill, Braircliff /Sands Point, Brokton area of New Hempstead, Park Ave and Holland / Glen Brook area of WH all went for CSL. These areas are hardly bastions of thoses chasidim.
PS CSL was supported by YSV, Bais Mikroh, Degel Hatorah, Darkay Noam, hardly “chasisisher chodrim” by any ones books.
“RAV AVIGDER MILLER ZATZ”L WOULD PROBALY HAVE ASKED WHICH IS MORE PLEASENT…
BUT IT PAILS IN COMPARISON TO THE JOY ONE SHOULD FEEL AT SEEING LARGE FRUM FAMILIES…”
What would R’ Miller have said about frum yidden getting involved in the muck of this kind of politics? That now all the andere know that “a small group of chasidic Jews has controlled the election” as was reported on WABC radio?
Just a little info on the building next to SV High School. The general contractor on the site was L&M associates out of Westchester. A company owned by 2 Orthodox Jews. It was publically financed and it’s units are available to all members of the community based on income limits only.
To Anonymous 10:34 AM:
>All I can say for the so->called “Chassidim” (why a whole
>group of people take claim to
>such a high title by birthright
>is truly a confounding question)
Oddly enough it was the misnagadim that coined the phrase while they called themselves perushim or misnagdim.
So are you saying the president of USA must be married with kids, in the army and every other position to run a country?
to Anon 2:32 PM
>So are you saying the president
>of USA must be married with kids,
>in the army and every other
>position to run a country?
The answer is yes. Millard Fillmore was the only bachlor to be President. The Democratic party on the national level demonstrated what a bunch of supreme hypocrites they are when they elected Bill Clinton. A quick review of Democrat Hypocrisy:
Dan Quayle was unqualified to serve as vice president because he was ONLY in the national guard. For Draft Dodger Bill Clinton (The only president not having served in the military) this was not a problem to make him commander and chief of the armed forces.
Robert Bork, an accomplished Jurist, was denied confirmation as attorney general because he admitted smoking pot 25 years before. BC who smoked BUT DID NOT INHALE! was elected as president with the support of those who killed the Bork nomination. Clarence Thomas who allegedly made improper comments to a woman was excoriated during confirmation hearings. Admitted Womanizer BC who had a long line of woman accusers and most like raped a woman named Juanita Broderick (Her testimony was highly credible, but she came forward after the statute of limitations had expired.) was supported by the same people who attacked Thomas. The 1992 three way presidential election, Clinton won with only 43% of the vote. (Presumingly the 19% garnished by Perot would have gone for Bush.) In 1988 Dukakis LOST with 46%. George W got more votes than that in the contested 2000 election.
The difference? Clinton was a democrat, meg men. The others were republicans. Yener tor nit.
>Ramapo = Rah mah po.
Correction:Politic= Poh Li tik
>Favt: Vishnitz Rabbi followd on
> תשכ”ז. (He originally learned
>in Kolell B.M. Elyon and the kids
went there as well. He lived on Emes lane and even gave that name to that street. Only later they purchased the farm area of Phyllis-Ashel.)
It was actually a country club. And I’m not just saying that to make New Hempsteadians nervous. I moved here in 1962.
OK I gotta go, one last fact.
Dina D’malchusa Dina:
One person= one vote. He has has the most votes wins. We won. End of discussion about Dina d’malchus Dina.
I was at a zoning hearing (held at the kakiat school)for Bates -Horton. An MO who moved from (Flatbush?) Stood up and said the says that the zoning law is kach v’kach and if people violate the law they need to be punished. What he failed to mention is the zoning law says if you want to change the zoning, you go to a hearing like we were attending and you ask for a variance. That is the law, and it was being followed. So in affect, He was saying I don’t want chassidim in my neighborhood. Another MO that moved to Dolson (one block away from Kaser) Said outright “I don’t want to wake up one morning and find myself living in Kaser.” Yup, Kaser has no right to natural expansion because he bought house 30 years after Kaser. Much of the venom from the MO would maje Goebbels proud. It’s over we won, and you property value is not going down anytime soon because of it. As far as dishonesty, the PR people made a commercial/film clip, showing tree covered mountains, streams, etc, where there are no plans to build and implied that those will be gone.
As far causing anti-semitism a friend of mine asked me:
Q: What’s the difference betwen an MO and a chosid?
A: An MO shaves his beard and pais, wears a short jacket, goes to college, etc, i.e., he tries to emulate the GOY as much as possible, but he makes a concession and where a little kipah srucha. The Goy drives by and yells out “Dirty Jew!” and the Guy is in shock. Why me? I try to be just like you!
The chasidishe yid grows a beard and payis, goes in a long black coat with a black hat, and the same Goy drives by and yells “Dirty Jew!” The chasidishe Yid smiles and thinks to himself “yor,s’iz gelungen.”
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Baruch Hashem As I’v build res
Its very sad that there will never be another normal polotician voted into office again. Because of the chasidic block vote there will only be liberal democrats who are self loving and will do anything to get re-elected, yes even vying for a new Walmart and then opposing it to look good.
I moved from Monsey to Wesley Hills to get away from it all (i.e.looking at main st. turn into Williamsburg) and now it looks like I may have to move further away. I am sure you saw the illegal building begin across from Wesley Kosher.
It’s a shame that some people will violate all halachos and laws and bribe poloticians so that they can live near the Rebba and so they can make quick cash by developing.
Lastly it is just wrong to for a rebbi to get up and clop on the bima and say vote for SL and we will bus you in for free. These young men would not vote for anyone without being told to do so, remember they are like sheep and will do what they are told. Nobody should be told who to vote for. Come on be fair.
Its very sad that there will never be another normal polotician voted into office again. Because of the chasidic block vote there will only be liberal democrats (who always are pro- choice, yes you are saying its ok to vote in someone who is pro- choice- do you want to tell your daughter who you voted for?) who are self loving and will do anything to get re-elected, yes even vying for a new Walmart and then opposing it to look good.
The reason Wesley, Pomona etc. became full of Jews (PR) is because they took advantage of the hard work that the Chasiddim went through while building up Monsey as a beautiful Frum neighborhood! They werent here when shopping wasnt as easy as now! They have no idea how to sacrifice. They come to enjoy our hard work! That’s why they came to warm-up right next to the Chasiddim! Then they want us to move away and make room for us!!! What FOOLS!
How many of the PR bigshots are in Monsey for 20 – 30 years???
I am and I am Chasiddish!
I remember having to travel to get some Kosher food or Judaica…
Sorry, but we are here to stay and grow Be’ezras Hashem – to be able to service Hakodosh Boroch Hu until we all get rid of this golus – and go enjoy yerusholayim! May it be really soon… (Then Mr Mele can have ALL of Ramapo)
Main St in Spring Valley also used to be much quieter with much less traffic once-upon-a-time… So was every street in Ramapo…
Streets that now have only 5 houses with beautiful lawns, once had none! Everything changes. There is plenty of beautiful acerage with rolling mountains and trees, gardens and flowers somewhere north of ramapo – why not all of you from PR go grab it BEFORE the Chassidim come! Don’t come and sqeeze into our neighborhood!
i must say after reading all th ekol koreahs that were hanging around every shul and in the mail i was in shock that not on eever mentioned the words thank you to the ribono shel olam for all thegood we have here in monsey
to think that a goy controls if we are going to expand or if a yeshiva will be close is not the torah way as we all are aware that the apartments coming up arent affordable as all i now many will be screaming at me but its about time we take our selves and help thos ethat want to live in moinsey and make it affordable and teh biggest chillul hashem that i saw over the electoions was how much our dear tinokot shel bet raban were involved in th eelections like soem of them told me if mele comes in my yeshiva will be closed so i asked this young child why will ur yeshiva be closed ? he told me they have violations . i answered him if the yeshiva has violations its bette rto be closed .
i hope and pray that as a frum person living in monsey we all take from this that its the toime to be meyached all of us and not point fingers and say ” hes a chossid a yeshivishe lubavitch put rather we all meyached as frum and if we are meyache di can promis ethat we will neve rcoem to a time when we will be affraid of anyone that gets into office sinc eit saya that yad melachim vesarim beyad hashem not in our votes only hashem can contro lthe outcome not us not st lawrence anyone only hashem
rabosai remember hashem wants achdus so lets be meyached all of us as 1
I just have one question. Why cant the chassidim get enough garbage cans to hold all of the garbage that they throw on the curb? Won’t this help cease the Chilul Hashem?
Let’s not fool ourselves, do you really think Preserve Ramapo cares about turning or not turning quiet single family downtown Monsey neighborhoods into crowded multi family housing neighborhoods. THEY ARE NOTING OTHER THEN A BUNCH OF ANTI SEMITES, ANTI ULTRA FRUM YIDEN.
What’s unfortunate, that our own brothers and sisters fell into their trap not realizing what their real motives are.
Let’s daven to hashem that he should open their eyes and give them some brains that their eye shouldn’t get FARBLENDED for their money. GELT IS NISHT ALES!
OK, so most of you want to keep Monsey the way it was, and don’t like the multi faamily housing.
So the solution would be?
Build nice developements on empty land outside of town!
Oh no! That is what Preserve Ramapo and even the Jews from Wesely, really want to avoid!
So while they are not interested in a solution, CSL made a master plan, which only affects the lower Monsey.
Housing prices in the new developements going up (Bates, Widman, Chessed on 59) WILL fall drastically. They are already fighting with colorful ads. If the developers will not be ready to sell for $375,000, it will go for foreclosure and the bank will sell it for that price.
Good days are comming!
Why should the Preserve Ramapo people protest about a development in the Town of Haverstraw? Do we care about development in Los Angles? It’s the same thing. Second, how can you compare the area behind Wal Mart on the NY State Thruway to Rt 306 in Pomona?
There is no development in Rockland comparable to what the frum developers are doing. The buildings in haverstraw and spring valley were not placed on quiet country roads that are totally unsuited for large amounts of traffic. They were not put in quiet single family neighborhoods. There IS a difference. Its just that the frum don’t seem to care if their quiet neighborhoods turn to noise and congestion.
If the PR people were truly not anti-chasidish they would have protested the 1000 units built in Haverstraw over the past 2 years – just as far from Pomona as downtown monsey, or protested the multi-family housing in Airmont or the Salvation Army school with dormitories (their adult student housing) in Suffern. THEY DIDN’T. I remember 5 years ago when Patrick farm was the big issue and they were stuffing mailboxes in Pomona telling people not to sell to the “black hatters”. It was a bracha min shamayim that enough Jews in Wesley Hills and Pomona realized what PR was all about.
they complain about the “block vote”. for the last 6 years Robert Rhodes and PR have been blaming the Monsey yidden for the lack of water, for too much sewage, for every problem in Ramapo. now they complain that the Monset community wouldn’t listen to their views and wouldn’t let them put fliers in the shuls. DUH!! They attack a whole group and then complain that the whole group voted against them. Now that’s Chutzpa!!
I would just like to add that b”h wherever you go the yiddish community has grown tremendously. When there is growth there needs to be accommodations made. So to all those that are trying to compare monsey is the mid 1900 to monsey today–it’s not a fair comparison.
Tell your satmar chevra that they don’t even know why they have to hate the medina. It’s not because they created anti Semitism, it’s because one of the Sholosh Shevuos that hashem hot bashvoiren the yiden was that we are not allowed to take Eretz Yisroel ourselves, we have to wait till hashen gives it to us.
If preserve Ramapo is so concerned about overcrowding of the area, how come they didn’t say even one word about the development next to Wal-Mart and the one next to the Spring Valley public school across the street of O&R? Eloh Mai, they are a bunch of anti Semites and anti Chasidim.
I have to laugh, all of a sudden, the Chasidim are the one’s spreading hatred.
to 4:24.
Yes im awake we are in galus, but we live in a malchus shel chesed so we have the option to select out leaders BH.
We were not looking for a fight they were.
BTW I live in the Blueberry area a mix of Chasidish, Yeshivish, BT, and MO the results were 1200 to 100 for CSL
The truth is the housing being built is not “affordable housing” for the kinderlach. That is b.s. Those apartments are going for 500,000 dollars and more. They are being sold outright, not to the children of us. Yes, there is development in the world, but what is going on in Monsey is obscene….ugly apartment buildings being buildt on top of everyone’s head. Its all money for the developer. Also I never read anything so naive as Hashem told us to develop the worlld. Yeah, right, Hashem told us to put multi family housing all over the world, that is the mitzvah. Give me a brake!
{{{{are all listing their homes as shuls and avoiding taxes.}}}}}
This is one of the biggest lie ever said!
The great vast majority of the large houses you see in Monsey, are fully taxed! I live in one of them, and if you think you are paying high taxes for your Forshey one family house, let me show you my 35k tax bill! Yes! It is that much!
I agree, there are some houses taking advantage of the system, but – even with CSL – The inspectors are after them big time, and they end up in the news! No one has pitty on them and they are frowned upon even in the Hassidic communities, who are mostly very hard working, tax paying residents.
There are many shuls in Monsey, and they ARE eligible for a tax break, as are ALL the shuls, etc. in N. Monsey! (you can look it up at the town hall. NO shul-in-a-house in Wesley Hills pays any taxes.) But these are a fraction of the houses!
Shame on you for libeling a great community!
Most of you came way after the Hassidim in the first place!
Face it: America is changing! There was a building boom ALL OVER the USA! The Hassidim were just part of it! No one likes it when they build in your backyard, but perhaps the Hassidim (who came in the ’50-‘60’s) should have protested when you were destroying the woods and farms of north Rt. 306, just to get away from Flatbush and Queens!
Ramapo WAS a farm country. When the PIP was build, it all more became a suburb to NYC, which drove prices up, and even more so in Westchester, Orange or Putnam Counties, or LI.
This is not exclusively Hassidim vs: non hassidim issue! Face it: Things changed. We grew; The kids also want to live here, and things will change, as is the trend all over this great country!
Well obviously if you have the whole of Monsey in your back pocket, you’re bound to win. Oh well , there goes the neighborhood! I’m sure Christopher saint(ha ha) Lawrence will not be preserving Ramapo. Anyway I will be leaving Monsey soon because I starting to feel rather clostraphobic.
I beg your pardon? Yes I am back (original poster) I came here in 1976 just 8 years after you. I grew up here. The big Chasidishe developer who built Mariner way is my cousin. The only Dina D’Malchusa I am talking about is Zoning Laws. I dont talk on my cell phone as my car has Bluetooth. You are missing the point of the whole election. The candidates were not split over Jews and Goyim. They were split on over development of an area that cant handle any more development. There is not enough water or sewers to handle the growth. The people who are moving in to your so called affordable housing are all listing their homes as shuls and avoiding taxes. Babad wants to move 2 to 3 thousand people into Pomona, wants all the benefits, tax free. This is not anti semetisim, it is Preserve Ramapo. Someone here said it right, we are in Golus, dont think your stupid bloc of 2,900 voters is enough to protect you. If G-D forbid they ever changed the term on the Supervisor and the election happened to fall out during a Presidential election where there would be a real turnout, your Man would be gone.
What’s this ‘Preserve Ramapo’?
The Torah sais ומלאו את הארץ וכבשוה the earth is for us to develope!
It’s a shame that there has to be such animosity between the chassidic community and everyone else. Even if they are 100% right why must there be such aggressive behavior and “spit in your face” attitude toward everyone else. I am frum Jewish and I walk with head bowed as I remember I am in galus. Frum do not own the area, but read this blog and you will see that many think they can do whatever even almost everyone else is against it. This is a Jewish value? You know, my Satmar chevra tell me that they are anti-Zionist because the Medina made the nations anti-semmitin and caused hatred toward Jews. Well, dear brothers, what are you doing right here in Monsey? Inflaming passions against Jews!!!
I am born in monsey in the esrly 60s my father was here since 1950s as a BME bucher. The fact of the matter is that traffic is terrible on 306 I avoid it like the plauge, and the side streets are worse, no planning done whatsoever.
That being said PR is not the answer, it is run by a bunch of anti semites and self hating jews.
Proof
1. Bob Rhodes let a 300 K Grant for sidewalks in W.H go down the drain because is would help jews [M. O. for the most part]
2. They posted a story about Bentzy klein and the jail on thire website as proof “of special treatment by the coomunity” what relevancy does that have with land use? Nothing but open hatred.
3. Until he got stiffed by PR,PR was pushing to elect Demaza Delhomme an open anti semite.
And it looks like im not the only one who thinks that way, Look at the returns from District 28 [the concord area] 2005 CSL 143 Brennan 120, 2007 CSL 332 Mele 103
Politics is politcs, and in any hefty and close elections, there will be smear and scare tacticts. After loosing, the other side will always accuse the other of leading a dirty campaine. But that is politics, and politics is dirty.
Should the Yidden have backed off and let Preserve Ramapo continue with their disgusting smear tacticts, and allow St Lawrence to loose?
They choose not to!
Fact: Beis Madresh Elyon was esteblished during WWII.
Fact: New Square followed in 1957.
Favt: Vishnitz Rabbi followd on תשכ”ז. (He originally learned in Kolell B.M. Elyon and the kids went there as well. He lived on Emes lane and even gave that name to that street. Only later they purchased the farm area of Phyllis-Ashel.)
Fact: Most of the lazy bugs from Forshey moved here as part of the boom coming from the city, way later in the 80’s and 90’s, but not before ’75.
Fact: Marriner Way was build by one of the best known Chassidic developers, AFTER it was strongly opposed by some of the well known big mouth’s, mostly from the Concord area. (I will not put names.) Today, Marriner way has nicer lawns then all of them!
who cares about the bloc vote, it’s their right.
Has there ever been a single (never married) president who was never in politics?
Kaser had the highest turnout ever the rest of the county had less than 50% turn out, if they wanted Mele they should have voted.
The Kashou rav said it this shabbos, that it is a big mistake to make this big halalouo; As Jews in golus it would be enough for the Rav to say his das torah on shabbos. All of this will only enrage our (Jewish and non Jewish) neighbors.
Dear Anon 3:03 PM
I am sorry to tell you that a large percent of the traffic are caused by the upper Monsey Chasidim haters. Because each spouse has their own car, and if that is not enough, as soon as their teenagers – boys and girls – grow up they get their own car, so what could you expect.
What is this about a chasidic block? What percentage of the entire Rockland County, NY is chassidish? At the end of the day, it is each individual vote that has equal weight, whether you are black, white, green ,yellow, chassidish, litvish, yeshivish, etc.
all self promoting propoganda.
If I went into the Irish Neighborhood in ROckland county or the italian neighbrohood, each of those would claim to be the block that put the candidate in the win column.
All a buch of nonsense and propoganda just to get you to think that your vote counts. HA!
I’m not into politics but I was born and raised in monsey. I still remember going down 306 without a problem. Now I try to come visit and the traffic is up the wazoo. Now I have nothing against anyone but don’t you think that their is way to many multi family houses going up. It’s causing traffic that the monsey roads can not handle.
Dear Anon 2:31 PM
The only reason I brought up these Dina D’Malchusa Dina issues is because these upper Monsey Chasidim haters are always busy that the Chasidim are doing things against Dina D’Malchusa, so I wanted to point out that they are noting more then hypocrites.
RAV AVIGDER MILLER ZATZ”L WOULD PROBALY HAVE ASKED WHICH IS MORE PLEASENT TO YOUR EYES?? BEAUTIFUL GRASS ,TREES & FOLIAGE YES THEY ARE “NIFLOAS HABOREI ” AND ARE AMAZING RAV MILLER CONTINUES..
BUT IT PAILS IN COMPARISON TO THE JOY ONE SHOULD FEEL AT SEEING LARGE FRUM FAMILIES ,YES THE LAUNDRY LINES.THE GARBAGE, RECYCLING…
RAMAPO BEGIN LOVING ALL JEWS EXTENSIONS AND VARIANCES MEAN THAT 2 PARENTS ARE MOSER NEFESH TO RAISE LARGE FAMILIES “SECHARAM HARBE MEOD”
Anon : you wrote “bottom line a single guy, never before in politics, whose profession is bodyguard (mele) is not qualified to run a family oriented community”
So are you saying the president of USA must be married with kids, in the army and every other position to run a country?
Let’s stop attacking oursalves about who is Oy’ver more on Dina D’Malchusa Dina this alone is a big chillul hashem, we’re talking about this in general.
also, not only Mele is single without children but his runing mates Parietti and Hyer are laso single, what do thay understand to our needs.
one more point, to the “conspiracy theory folks” that think the Hasidic Jews vote four times each……have you seen these villages? There are more than 400 people there. For each of them to vote three or four times, you would have 10,000 votes not 2,000. Don’t be a knucklehead. Use some common sense. I’ve been a poll watcher and I’m no Hasidic Jew. They vote once and they vote smart. Just because our community is too stupid to get our act together and vote as a bloc does not mean those that do exercise their constitutional right are doing anything wrong. They picked a candidate and they backed him. Since when is that a crime? And if they were made promises? That’s the politicians for you, not the bloc vote. All they’re doing is practicing decmocracy and last time I checked that was something Preserve Ramapo was in favor of. Do you think one Preserve Ramapo voter voted for St. Lawrence? Oh, but that’s not a bloc vote because it’s not your vote and because they don’t live next to each other. Grow up….we lost fair and square. You don’t like it….go to Venezuela.
by the way, i just checked the preserve ramapo web site and it looks like they cant take a lose with pride, the slogan “save our town” and the full anti jewish (say chasidic) propganda didn’t bring you a victory, and after
going over the results i personlly think that without the republican
ticket it whold have been a disaster, look in ’05 Preserve Ramapo got 8,947 votes and in ’07 you only got 5,881 votes, also dont even think that your candidate for legislator Joseph Meyers won with the help of Preserve Ramapo he only won by
being on the Demacratic line where he got the 2000+ votes, if you dont
belive me check the Judah Lerer District, anyway next time compaign
like on adult without attacking everything jewish, put a NORMAL man to head the ticket and maybe you will not lose by a landslide, and another think – i dont know about you – but most of the wesley hills jewish people that supported your ticket, thay claim to “save our town”, my answer is NO its not your town, i am here since the early 70’s, thay came here in the 80’s and 90’s, thay want to run my town their way, my word to them is “you picked the wrong town” if you dont like it pack your bags and move on.
posted by dont-save-ramapo
Re Old Monsey:
“Listen the fact of the matter is that they want to keep monsey like you saw it in 1968 not like 2007”
“THEY” can want whatever they want, the fact is they came here after we the chasidim and yeshivahleit established this place with shuls, schools, mikvas, and shopping centers, and we don’t mind that it became a crowded area with more frum people living an eidelah life style..
to all you newcomers who settled Pomona, Wesley, Airmont… who now scream oiy the buildings! you can kindly go back to your Flatbush residence!
bottom line a single guy, never before in politics, whose profession is bodyguard (mele) is not qualified to run a family oriented community