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Washington - Biden Asks Rabbis, Pastors To Make Moral Argument On Guns

Published on: May 6, 2013 11:17 PM
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Vice President Joe Biden talks with Lisa Monaco, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, in the Rose Garden at the White House, May 1, 2013. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)Vice President Joe Biden talks with Lisa Monaco, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, in the Rose Garden at the White House, May 1, 2013. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

Washington - Vice President Joe Biden is asking pastors, rabbis and nuns to help make the moral argument to their followers for gun control legislation.

Biden met for two-and-a-half hours with leaders from various faith communities. Participants emerged from the meeting encouraged that the Obama administration isn’t giving up the fight even though efforts in the Senate so far have failed.

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But round two on gun control may have to wait. Participants say it was clear from the meeting that another vote won’t take place until after Congress finishes work on an immigration overhaul.

Participants say some clergy who represent evangelical and conservative communities had reservations about the legislation, especially about expanded background checks. But they say Biden and his aides reassured them the legislation isn’t overly broad.


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 May 06, 2013 at 11:36 PM murray059 Says:

what a maroon that clown Biden is...why isn't the big-shot going into the radical mosques and preaching his idiocy to those who need it. I am sure that Joe will get a standing ovation and a promise to pass on his message at every reform, liberal, reconstruction temple........Frum shuls.....not so much.

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 May 07, 2013 at 02:15 AM Shlomit Says:

Whatever happened to the whole Separation of Church and State thing that liberals are so fond of? They'd be screaming if a Republican called on houses of worship to give anti-gay marriage or anti-abortion messages. Such hypocrites!

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 May 07, 2013 at 06:51 AM Aron1 Says:

Reply to #1  
murray059 Says:

what a maroon that clown Biden is...why isn't the big-shot going into the radical mosques and preaching his idiocy to those who need it. I am sure that Joe will get a standing ovation and a promise to pass on his message at every reform, liberal, reconstruction temple........Frum shuls.....not so much.

"maroon"?

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 May 07, 2013 at 07:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Much like the circus theater at airports, orchestrated by TSA, where it is much more important to have the PERCEPTION of safety rather than actual safety, so too with guns. Very important to ban and restrict guns that look frightening, rather than dealing with the perps that have guns, and will have them when regular people are disarmed.

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 May 07, 2013 at 07:25 AM Raphael_Kaufman Says:

There is no moral argument that can be made against gun ownership.

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 May 07, 2013 at 07:35 AM OscarMadison Says:

Why not cynically parade around some Holocaust survivors at a synagogue and have them explain how surrendering their firearms was for the common good.

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 May 07, 2013 at 08:31 AM Aryeh Says:

But not for toiva marriage?

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 May 07, 2013 at 08:42 AM georgewashingtonbridge Says:

Reply to #3  
Aron1 Says:

"maroon"?

“ "maroon"? ”

A deep-red-colored moron. Get with the times.

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 May 07, 2013 at 08:54 AM MTL Says:

Reply to #3  
Aron1 Says:

"maroon"?

An old Canadian term for "idiot" (or "genius" in the sarcastic tone)

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 May 07, 2013 at 10:01 AM HGK Says:

Mesores Moshe (p. 502,) quotes Rav Moshe's opinion about gun control.

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 May 07, 2013 at 10:29 AM Bezalel Says:

Reply to #3  
Aron1 Says:

"maroon"?

Bugs Bunny pronounced the word "moron" as "maroon."

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 May 07, 2013 at 11:06 AM pulpit rabbi Says:

Mr Veep,

This is part of my drosha.

Rabosi, if you want to know what the democrat party stands for, it is very easy. All you have to do is look in the heyliga Torah. Where ever in Parshas Achray Mos & Kedoshim it says "DON'T," the democrats hold "DO!!!" The modern democrat party is simply said, shtufay zima. There is NO reason anyone claiming to be a shomer torah u'mitzvos should support ANY democrat. .....

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 May 07, 2013 at 11:41 AM FrustratedWithStateOfYahdus Says:

If Biden wants to have rabbeim talk about banning guns, perhaps he should review the Ramban on Neshei Lemech in sedra Bereishis where he argued that Cain killed Hevel with his bare hands and not knives and swords that Lemech made. Murder can be committed by anyone, so banning the implement or blaming the maker of the gun/knife is incorrect.

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 May 07, 2013 at 12:35 PM Raphael_Kaufman Says:

Reply to #10  
HGK Says:

Mesores Moshe (p. 502,) quotes Rav Moshe's opinion about gun control.

Can you post a synopsis?

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 May 07, 2013 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:

THE ONLY moral argument is FOR gun ownership. Period. End of Story. No ifs, ands or buts.
It is moral to help your family. It is moral to protect humanity. It is moral to be able to ensure the safety of those around you. "Al Taamode Al Dam Reyecha"- especially when you could have stopped the bloodshed to begin with.

it is immoral to say that only criminals can have guns because they aren't buying their guns legally (and therefore will not have to be limited by the government's rules).

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 May 07, 2013 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:

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FrustratedWithStateOfYahdus Says:

If Biden wants to have rabbeim talk about banning guns, perhaps he should review the Ramban on Neshei Lemech in sedra Bereishis where he argued that Cain killed Hevel with his bare hands and not knives and swords that Lemech made. Murder can be committed by anyone, so banning the implement or blaming the maker of the gun/knife is incorrect.

Really now, the issue is not if they will be destructive but how to make it easy for them. Give your arrogance a break.

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 May 07, 2013 at 02:42 PM FrustratedWithStateOfYahdus Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Really now, the issue is not if they will be destructive but how to make it easy for them. Give your arrogance a break.

I presume you may have mistaken my passion for the issue as arrogance, so I'm sorry you misperceived it.

You are correct that the administration's stated purpose is to make it harder to get weapons by banning a class of weapon that is involved in a negligible percentage of murders a year. They also claim to reduce the accessibility by having background checks. However, the gun show loophole everyone is worried about is only when a private seller sets up a booth and sells. A store owner however, does at a gun show. What the administration wants is a smoke and mirrors show to make people think they are doing something about gun violence so if they enlist the rabbonim they think it will help but it won't the way they have it.

Regardless of that, the Torah does not have a position on the availability of weapons so the rabbonim should not be trying to speak on behalf of that. Rather, as others here have stated, "lo taamode al dam reiecha" and "im ba achicha lehargecha, kum v'hargo" apply and we should be more zealous to have weapons and be armed to protect ourselves from all manners of threat, not just crazy school shooters. So I contend, I was not arrogant to begin with.

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 May 07, 2013 at 03:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Isn't it funny for a liberal to use the word "morality." They don't want to hear that word in connection to gay marriage, abortion on demand, etc.

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 May 07, 2013 at 04:14 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #5  
Raphael_Kaufman Says:

There is no moral argument that can be made against gun ownership.

True. But it will be fun to see conservativereform-modern-pretend-orthodox clergymen trying.

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 May 07, 2013 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:

So glad that most of the posters on this site agree that it is the absolute moral right of every jihadi terrorist to acquire as many assault weapons and ammo as he wishes, since that is the current law and NRA position. After all, it would be immoral to require a background check of someone on the terrorist watch list.

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 May 07, 2013 at 10:31 PM marcia Says:

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Anonymous Says:

So glad that most of the posters on this site agree that it is the absolute moral right of every jihadi terrorist to acquire as many assault weapons and ammo as he wishes, since that is the current law and NRA position. After all, it would be immoral to require a background check of someone on the terrorist watch list.

Who said anything about GIVING GUNS TO JIHADISTS? The article simply says that Biden, (who has a son in the military, personally OWNs shot guns/rifles and hand guns and his family is protected 24/7 by armed guards) discussed the MORALS of gun control legislation with members of clergy. What a hypocrite in every sense of the word!

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