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Jerusalem - Israeli Religious Women's Group Accuses Rabbinate Of Dragging Its Feet On Recognizing Female Kashrut Supervisors

Published on: June 27, 2013 11:52 AM
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Jerusalem - A prominent Israeli religious women’s group has accused the kashrut department of the Chief Rabbinate of dragging its feet in recognizing female kashrut supervisors, and says it will ask the High Court of Justice to intervene if the matter isn’t settled by week’s end.

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ISRAEL HAYOM (http://bit.ly/11PO9mI) reports that the women’s organization Emunah said requests for a decision on the matter have been repeatedly ignored by the Chief Rabbinate over the past year, and that there is “no reason” for the Chief Rabbinate to continue to dodge the issue.

On Thursday, 13 women became the first female graduates of a kashrut supervision course that is described by Religious Services Minister Naftali Bennett as “more rigorous” than existing rabbinate guidelines, but cannot work without being officially sanctioned by the rabbinate.

Liora Minka, chairwoman of Emunah, said this is “gender discrimination, pure and simple.”


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 Jun 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

why?
why the heck do you need another kosher supervision, are the hundreds out there not good enough?

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 12:36 PM Kosher_Ham Says:

I know that the /cRc\ (Chicago Rabbinical Council) permits & has women mashgichahs. I believe that the OU doesn't permit or has them. I applaud the /cRc\ for its stance on this issue. If you can't trust your wife to cook you a kosher meal, then eat elsewhere! There is nothing against halacha to forbid this. It also allows (older) widows a source of income.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 12:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

why?
why the heck do you need another kosher supervision, are the hundreds out there not good enough?

They just want to work for other agencies as well as possibly opening one up in a tiny town somewhere. Maybe having female supervisors over female cooks at a girls school may be helpful.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM MeirYaakov Says:

Reply to #2  
Kosher_Ham Says:

I know that the /cRc\ (Chicago Rabbinical Council) permits & has women mashgichahs. I believe that the OU doesn't permit or has them. I applaud the /cRc\ for its stance on this issue. If you can't trust your wife to cook you a kosher meal, then eat elsewhere! There is nothing against halacha to forbid this. It also allows (older) widows a source of income.

Everyone "permits" women to ensure that food preparation is kosher. Unless there are some who stand over their wife's shoulder while she's cooking, ...

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:

When my wife decides to let me in the kitchen then maybe I'll let her tell me what is Kosher.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 01:04 PM DanielBarbaz Says:

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Anonymous Says:

why?
why the heck do you need another kosher supervision, are the hundreds out there not good enough?

I just bought a bag of cole slaw with 5 Hashgachas!

Have you ever complained about the duplication of Hashgachas before, or is your ire reserved for female Kashrut certifiers only?

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 01:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Prominent religious organization? When did Emunah become religious?

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 01:26 PM DovidTheK Says:

Also Rav Teitz in Elizabeth has women mashgichos in the restaurants.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 02:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Weird. In a country whre they are trying to get men out of koilel and into the workforce, and yet closing yet another previously open door to earning an honest living.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 02:30 PM Youvegottobekidding Says:

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Anonymous Says:

why?
why the heck do you need another kosher supervision, are the hundreds out there not good enough?

Really? We also have hundreds of mechanchim, rabbeim, madrichim, etc., yet the yeshivas keep churning them out. Next time, try not to be such a blatant hater and misogynist.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 02:37 PM myth buster Says:

what are they gonna be called?
women of the hall
women of the mall
women on call

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 02:49 PM Mashgicha Says:

The Reviews are In: STAR-K’s Mashgicha Enrichment Program is a Big Hit
by Margie Pensak
The eighteen mashgichos who attended STAR-K’s Mashgicha Enrichment Program, November 2-3 in Baltimore, Maryland, had only one complaint—it wasn’t long enough. Although it lacked nothing in the way of organization or detailing of comprehensible and practical information, the women would have appreciated even more face time with the STAR-K experts. The experience of meeting fellow mashgichos from so many communities, being able to ask questions throughout the presentations, and the camaraderie felt by the program’s end, made it worth the trip!. . .
As noted by Rabbi Zvi Goldberg, director of the Mashgicha Enrichment Program, “We were impressed with the caliber of the women who came. They were extremely motivated to learn more about kashrus. We stressed to them that based on Rav Moshe’s teshuva (Igros Moshe Y.D. 2:44), they are permitted to be mashgichos since they are working under the authority of a Rav Hamachshir. They are the most important link between their Rav Hamachshir and what is happening in their facility." . .

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 03:56 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

When my wife decides to let me in the kitchen then maybe I'll let her tell me what is Kosher.

Obviously, you cannot eat in your own house.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 04:52 PM JOTHEPROFESSOR Says:

I have heard of cases where fraud was committed while the Mashgiach was Davening Minchah. With a woman this would be less of a problem.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 06:18 PM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Prominent religious organization? When did Emunah become religious?

Gee I don't know, but the real question is when did you become such a hater of your fellow Jews?

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 09:05 PM Anonymous Says:

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JOTHEPROFESSOR Says:

I have heard of cases where fraud was committed while the Mashgiach was Davening Minchah. With a woman this would be less of a problem.

This kind of stuff would never happen with a top of the line chassideshe hashgacha where the mashgichim have been trained NEVER to leave their stations for any reason including davening or bathroom breaks...Its better they miss davening mincha than c'v allow treifus to be sneaked into the premises which may result in hundreds or thousands eating treifus. That's why restauants, butchers and other food service establishments relying on chassideshe hashgacha have such an outstanding records without any fraud.

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 Jun 27, 2013 at 09:36 PM sheepheadsbayyid Says:

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Anonymous Says:

This kind of stuff would never happen with a top of the line chassideshe hashgacha where the mashgichim have been trained NEVER to leave their stations for any reason including davening or bathroom breaks...Its better they miss davening mincha than c'v allow treifus to be sneaked into the premises which may result in hundreds or thousands eating treifus. That's why restauants, butchers and other food service establishments relying on chassideshe hashgacha have such an outstanding records without any fraud.

Do you ever read the news?

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 Jun 28, 2013 at 04:41 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

This kind of stuff would never happen with a top of the line chassideshe hashgacha where the mashgichim have been trained NEVER to leave their stations for any reason including davening or bathroom breaks...Its better they miss davening mincha than c'v allow treifus to be sneaked into the premises which may result in hundreds or thousands eating treifus. That's why restauants, butchers and other food service establishments relying on chassideshe hashgacha have such an outstanding records without any fraud.

Would that include Vaad Harabanim?

I personally applaud women mashgichot & know states that agree, NJ, Tenn, Maryland

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 Jun 28, 2013 at 12:00 AM pipeman Says:

No.s 1 and 9 what's really scaring you? Could it be that your 'old boys club' of under the table handouts might collapse and restaurants will serve real kosher food where the mashciach will actually eat there? I trust a woman in these matters over a man any day.

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 Jun 28, 2013 at 08:09 AM CTJEW Says:

Reply to #12  
Mashgicha Says:

The Reviews are In: STAR-K’s Mashgicha Enrichment Program is a Big Hit
by Margie Pensak
The eighteen mashgichos who attended STAR-K’s Mashgicha Enrichment Program, November 2-3 in Baltimore, Maryland, had only one complaint—it wasn’t long enough. Although it lacked nothing in the way of organization or detailing of comprehensible and practical information, the women would have appreciated even more face time with the STAR-K experts. The experience of meeting fellow mashgichos from so many communities, being able to ask questions throughout the presentations, and the camaraderie felt by the program’s end, made it worth the trip!. . .
As noted by Rabbi Zvi Goldberg, director of the Mashgicha Enrichment Program, “We were impressed with the caliber of the women who came. They were extremely motivated to learn more about kashrus. We stressed to them that based on Rav Moshe’s teshuva (Igros Moshe Y.D. 2:44), they are permitted to be mashgichos since they are working under the authority of a Rav Hamachshir. They are the most important link between their Rav Hamachshir and what is happening in their facility." . .

You tell them, Dimmie.......
At least you live in an enlightened area where the kashrut agencies are not 100% embroiled in politics.
And I know the fine line of butchers from which you come. Your father A"H would be proud of your well reasoned post and the fine woman you have become.

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 Jun 28, 2013 at 09:31 AM NeveAliza Says:

My sister-in-law is one of the women who just finished this excellent course in EY. One of their rabbeim - who is involved in the Kashrus establishment here - told them that he, personally, did not think women would "survive" in the Kashrus scene, where everything is cut-throat, under the table and mafia/haredi controlled. While this did not discourage the women, it gave them a good sense of "reality" and an understanding why change is needed in this area.

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