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Published on: August 19, 2013 09:46 AM
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Trenton, NJ -  New Jersey Republican Governor Chris Christie on Monday signed into law a measure to prevent therapists from counseling gay and lesbian youths to change their sexual orientation, making his the second U.S. state to ban so-called conversion therapy.

The state senate approved the measure in June, putting it on the desk of Christie, who is seeking re-election this fall and also widely considered a White House contender for the Republican Party in 2016.

Citing medical and psychiatric research that sexual orientation is determined at birth, the law bans state-licensed counselors, therapists and social workers from practicing a method of talk therapy that opponents have said is deeply damaging to the self-esteem and identity of gay youths.

Christie said he was signing the legislation based on research that found “efforts to change sexual orientation can pose critical health risks, including, but not limited to, depression, substance abuse, social withdrawal, decreased self-esteem and suicidal thoughts.”

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But he said he still had “concerns about government limiting parental choice on the care and treatment of their own children.”

Former New Jersey Democratic Governor Jim McGreevey, who stepped down from office in 2004 in a gay sex scandal, praised the measure, saying it was based in “sound psychiatric research.”

“Governor Christie should really be applauded,” McGreevey told Reuters. “Whenever a governor of his stature signs a bill like this, it sends a message, not just to the nation but to the individual child that you are normal and as God made you.”

New Jersey becomes the second state after California to outlaw conversion therapy for people under age 18. However, the California measure has yet to take effect because of a lawsuit challenging its constitutionality.

Opponents of the New Jersey law have promised a legal fight as well.

John Tomicki of the League of American Families said both the New Jersey and California laws infringed on a parent’s right to decide the best treatment for his or her child.

Troy Stevenson, executive director of Garden State Equality, a gay rights group and leading proponent of the measure, said there were moves to ban the practice in Massachusetts and New York. “There’s a huge push to ban this kind of abuse nationally,” Stevenson added.

Conversion therapy has become increasingly controversial. In June, California-based Exodus International, a Christian group championing it, apologized for the harm it caused and said it was shutting its doors after 38 years..


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 Aug 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM Wow Says:

Its time so-called Orthodox groups stopped this destructive and harmful process.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM Reb Yid Says:

When will they ban teaching that homosexuality is wrong? It's coming.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 10:53 AM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

While they are at it, they should ban homeopathic medicine and all other voodoo practices that scam people out of hard earned money with promises and false hope.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM stop conversion to homosexuality Says:

The homosexual movement has brainwashed children and society into thinking that the sin they commit is normal behavior. Hashem made the homosexual act a sin.Hashem knows His creations and would not have made it a sin if he knew people cannot control doing the act. Maybe Hashem gave the person the strong desire for the behavior but He also gave him the power, sometimes with medical or psychiatric help, to overcome the yetzer hara to do the behavior.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 10:59 AM Realistic Says:

Is the opposite legal there?

I someone who is gay wants to change, why shouldn't he be allowed?

Why is it allowed to change gender, while it's determent at birth? (Maybe they disagree:)

I wonder if anyone can come up with a better word the stupid for this mania.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM eliezer318 Says:

The "gay" lobby is focused & aggressive and this is one of their tactics to dominate control of the public's perceptions about homosexuality. It is not true that people cannot complete their psycho-sexual development into their destined heterosexual role through committment and compassionate therapeutic care. There is plenty of documentation available. Thus, a "law" such as this deprives those individuals who want to and are willing to change, of this possibility. As such,the spiritual antecedents of such a law are in the legal precedents enacted by the Anshei S'dom.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM Anonymous Says:

I knew a lot of men who went through this fake, dangerous therapy. They have either committed suicide or are now severely depressed. Their parents and Rabbonim forced them into the therapy.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM To Each his Own Says:

Reply to #3  
ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

While they are at it, they should ban homeopathic medicine and all other voodoo practices that scam people out of hard earned money with promises and false hope.

Modern Lakewood Guy should not be so self righteous to think that only what "he" believes is correct and that everything else is baloney

To ad insult to injury this "Modern Lakewood Guy" proposes that whatever his self righteous imagination dreams up should then be IMPOSED upon others who chose to think differently than the "Modern Lakewood Guy"

"Modern Lakewood Guy" should realise that his way of thinking is not only unjust but outright dangerous, because the very same people who make all these "laws" for Gay Marriage, then Ban Conversion, then next comes limiting freedom of speech to teach that practicing the common Gay Lifestyle is wrong, this teaching will be banned too!

What coming next for people with the mentality of the "Modern Lakewood Guy" is legislation to close down the biggest yeshiva that Modern Lakewood Guy is so proud of, because that Yeshiva teaches that Gay Lifestyle is 100% wrong and is an abomination and to put it bluntly it's simply ABNORMAL

There are people that are born with Birth Defects such as those born Mentally Retarded from the moment of birth and are indeed "hopeless" to be cured but that does not mean we should Glorify "Retarded Marriage"

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:

wonderful, this is a disgusting and harmful practice

as a lyric from a song that is currently on the radio says, regarding this exact type of therapy:

"man-made re-wiring of a predisposition"

you cannot change someone's sexual orientation through therapy. You can help them lead a secretive and fake life, and help them deal with that, but you cannot actually change someone who is gay and MAKE them straight. It is not scientifically possible.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

While they are at it, they should ban homeopathic medicine and all other voodoo practices that scam people out of hard earned money with promises and false hope.

once a fool always a fool.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM a gita mentch Says:

This is a huge problem for heimisha therapists, that will treat our bucherim. They will be able to lose their licenses if they treat them.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM murray059 Says:

Reply to #3  
ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

While they are at it, they should ban homeopathic medicine and all other voodoo practices that scam people out of hard earned money with promises and false hope.

why don't they expose the fact that there are actually natural alternative cancer cures that have been around for decades, but the Big Cancer Industry and Big pharma crush anyone who dares challenge the conventional (chemo) wisdom, to the point where they will ridicule or arrest any doctor who has a real cure.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 12:55 PM Disappointed Says:

Sad to see that the Governor caved in to the toeivah lobby and propaganda on this issue. I thought he had more backbone than that. This will not help him within the GOP nationally.

The tough talking Gov. caved in? Governor - say it ain't so!

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

Reply to #4  
stop conversion to homosexuality Says:

The homosexual movement has brainwashed children and society into thinking that the sin they commit is normal behavior. Hashem made the homosexual act a sin.Hashem knows His creations and would not have made it a sin if he knew people cannot control doing the act. Maybe Hashem gave the person the strong desire for the behavior but He also gave him the power, sometimes with medical or psychiatric help, to overcome the yetzer hara to do the behavior.

So let's see if I have this right...

God man the man gay
God gave man free will
God punishes man for acting, with his god given free will, on the impulses that God gave him.

Makes sense.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 01:26 PM waitasecond Says:

Reply to #14  
ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

So let's see if I have this right...

God man the man gay
God gave man free will
God punishes man for acting, with his god given free will, on the impulses that God gave him.

Makes sense.

Not sure where I stand on this issue, but this is flawed logic ...

God made the man straight
God gave man free will
God prohibits premarital sex and adultery
God punishes man for acting, with his god given free will, on the impulses that God gave him.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 01:30 PM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I knew a lot of men who went through this fake, dangerous therapy. They have either committed suicide or are now severely depressed. Their parents and Rabbonim forced them into the therapy.

Not to mention, forced them into marriages that almost always failed resulting in divorced women, children who suffer as a result and for what? Rabbis who claim to know more about sexuality from a single verse in the bible , than scientists and psychologists who have studied the matter for 500 years?

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 01:33 PM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

Reply to #16  
waitasecond Says:

Not sure where I stand on this issue, but this is flawed logic ...

God made the man straight
God gave man free will
God prohibits premarital sex and adultery
God punishes man for acting, with his god given free will, on the impulses that God gave him.

Except every single scientific study performed by thousands of researchers indicate that sexuality is NOT a choice. Thus god made the man gay, NOT straight. Try again.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 02:29 PM rebbe123 Says:

Reply to #2  
Reb Yid Says:

When will they ban teaching that homosexuality is wrong? It's coming.

You wish! But It's hopefully never gonna happen! Unless they gonna ban teaching religion altogether!
THE TRUTH HURTS THAT BOTHERS YOU!

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 02:36 PM flatbusher Says:

Open up a chumash and look what Hashem did to the people of the flood for moral decay. Look at the story of Yonah.

Do you think Hashem will remain silent? He never does. I have heard someone say that Rabbi Avigodor Miller Z"L once said that if most of the states pass equality bills then America will cease to exist. Certainly sounds like his style, and as much as it may hit a raw nerve with some people, face it. The story of the Mabul is an example. Look at the first Rashi in the Torah how Hashem gives countries to whom ever he wants since its His world. And in Parashas Divarim.

Talmud states that one of the reasons that caused the final decision for the mabul was when they started acknowledging homos as legal marriages. Yerushalmi actually states that earthquakes come because of this sin, and amazingly, shortly after NY passed their law a very rare earthquake shook the eastern sea board including NY! Its a warning sign!

IF YOU ARE SMART YOU WILL MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY HAS VALID VISAS. If a terrible calamity strikes you need to be in the best position to get out...so make that hishtadulus.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 02:38 PM reallakewoodguy Says:

Reply to #14  
ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

So let's see if I have this right...

God man the man gay
God gave man free will
God punishes man for acting, with his god given free will, on the impulses that God gave him.

Makes sense.

to #14 & #15. are you guys as unintelligent as you sound? ! you think god put us here to just act out the nature he gave us? what would be the point of that? ! animals come to this world, act on their instincts and die. we are here to accomplish something. god creates people with all sorts of predispositions such as a predisposition to gamble, to alcoholism to anger issues etc. even serial killers according to some studies have genes that predispose them to those acts. so we should just let people act out their natures? ! that's ludicrous! god put us here to fight ourselves and overcome our bad natures, by learning, studying and getting help from others when we need it. if we live the type of life you describe -just being what we are- we are just animals nothing more nothing less

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
flatbusher Says:

Open up a chumash and look what Hashem did to the people of the flood for moral decay. Look at the story of Yonah.

Do you think Hashem will remain silent? He never does. I have heard someone say that Rabbi Avigodor Miller Z"L once said that if most of the states pass equality bills then America will cease to exist. Certainly sounds like his style, and as much as it may hit a raw nerve with some people, face it. The story of the Mabul is an example. Look at the first Rashi in the Torah how Hashem gives countries to whom ever he wants since its His world. And in Parashas Divarim.

Talmud states that one of the reasons that caused the final decision for the mabul was when they started acknowledging homos as legal marriages. Yerushalmi actually states that earthquakes come because of this sin, and amazingly, shortly after NY passed their law a very rare earthquake shook the eastern sea board including NY! Its a warning sign!

IF YOU ARE SMART YOU WILL MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY HAS VALID VISAS. If a terrible calamity strikes you need to be in the best position to get out...so make that hishtadulus.

But the States did pass Equality bills and America still does exist. That means Rabbi Avigdor Miller Z"L was wrong.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 08:02 PM SamEiger Says:

Reply to #14  
ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

So let's see if I have this right...

God man the man gay
God gave man free will
God punishes man for acting, with his god given free will, on the impulses that God gave him.

Makes sense.

So let me get this straight. Would you apply the same logic to pedophiles. After all that is the persons nature what is he to do?

Additionally what happens when a young man who cannot get help begins to act out on his "nature". Then you will crucify him for being an "abuser" after you deny him the help he needs.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 04:31 PM letter from lubavitcher Rebbe Says:

"While all blessings come from Hashem, a Jew is expected to do what is necessary in the natural order.In the matter of the same problem, you surely know that there are doctors and psychiatrists who treat it, and have been successful in many cases.I know of a number of cases of people who had this problem but eventually overcame it, married and raised a family.
While on this topic, I would like to clear up a misconception that has led some individuals into confusion and wrong conclusions.The misconception stems from the argument that since some individuals are born with this problem, it must be a "natural" thing; hence it cannot be designated as a wrong, or a sin, and therefore no need to do anything to change it, or at any rate, it is not a serious problem at all.
That this approach is entirely without foundation can be seen from the fact that the Torah (called Toras Chaim and Toras Emes because it is our true guide in the everyday life) declares that to indulge in it, or even to dwell on it mentally, is a grave transgression of Hashem's commandment. Hence, it is also clear that the problem is controllable,for if it were beyond human control, Hashem would not have made it a sin.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 04:39 PM Anonymous Says:

My son said Hashem created him naked so he feels that it is his nature to be naked. Should I change him? It might effect his self-esteem and his identity . He says he is not bothering anyone when he walks around that way.

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 Aug 19, 2013 at 08:41 PM enlightened-yid Says:

How will the Frum pseudo-psychologists make their parnosa now? There is a lucrative market in fundamentalist communities to mentally torture gay kids because "the bible says so" like Michelle Bachman's shoddy bible belt torture clinic. At least JONAH has taken a hit, but for decades, their "experts" were scamming parents out of tens of thousands and turning gay frum kids completely depressed and suicidal. This religious based "psychology" has caused largest amount of Off the Derech kids who have become completely repulsed by their communities, rabbis, parents and educators that forced so much pain on them in the name of Torah.

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 Aug 20, 2013 at 01:15 AM Flatbusher Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

But the States did pass Equality bills and America still does exist. That means Rabbi Avigdor Miller Z"L was wrong.

Um...most states as of yet will not recognize two males as legally married. A bunch of states do, such as NY, but most states do not (yet?). Sure they all have rules against discrimination and other equality things but I mentioned R' Miller specifically regarding states recognizing homosexual marriages as legal marriages to the same degree as heterosexual marriages. Google "Equality bill" and "Marriage Equality Act" will pop up. That is what "Equality bill" means.

Also, when he says that America will go under (assuming he said it) it does not mean that the second the 25th states bill gets ratified, boom China nukes the U.S. It means that Gd will figure out how to bring the power house of the world to an end like he did with the Roman Empire and many others throughout history. A little seichel is a good thing.

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 Aug 20, 2013 at 06:15 AM bewhiskered Says:

Reply to #20  
flatbusher Says:

Open up a chumash and look what Hashem did to the people of the flood for moral decay. Look at the story of Yonah.

Do you think Hashem will remain silent? He never does. I have heard someone say that Rabbi Avigodor Miller Z"L once said that if most of the states pass equality bills then America will cease to exist. Certainly sounds like his style, and as much as it may hit a raw nerve with some people, face it. The story of the Mabul is an example. Look at the first Rashi in the Torah how Hashem gives countries to whom ever he wants since its His world. And in Parashas Divarim.

Talmud states that one of the reasons that caused the final decision for the mabul was when they started acknowledging homos as legal marriages. Yerushalmi actually states that earthquakes come because of this sin, and amazingly, shortly after NY passed their law a very rare earthquake shook the eastern sea board including NY! Its a warning sign!

IF YOU ARE SMART YOU WILL MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY HAS VALID VISAS. If a terrible calamity strikes you need to be in the best position to get out...so make that hishtadulus.

"Do you think Hashem will remain silent? He never does"

So, you are the official representative of הקב"ה to speak for Him? Perhaps, you should be thinking more of כי לא מחשבותי מחשבותיכם, instead of trying to emulate אשר יזיד לדבר דבר בשמי.

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 Aug 20, 2013 at 07:06 AM Greener Says:

Reply to #20  
flatbusher Says:

Open up a chumash and look what Hashem did to the people of the flood for moral decay. Look at the story of Yonah.

Do you think Hashem will remain silent? He never does. I have heard someone say that Rabbi Avigodor Miller Z"L once said that if most of the states pass equality bills then America will cease to exist. Certainly sounds like his style, and as much as it may hit a raw nerve with some people, face it. The story of the Mabul is an example. Look at the first Rashi in the Torah how Hashem gives countries to whom ever he wants since its His world. And in Parashas Divarim.

Talmud states that one of the reasons that caused the final decision for the mabul was when they started acknowledging homos as legal marriages. Yerushalmi actually states that earthquakes come because of this sin, and amazingly, shortly after NY passed their law a very rare earthquake shook the eastern sea board including NY! Its a warning sign!

IF YOU ARE SMART YOU WILL MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY HAS VALID VISAS. If a terrible calamity strikes you need to be in the best position to get out...so make that hishtadulus.

Hey, Flatearther, I gotta agree with you. It say "arbah kanfos ha'aretz" and because these modern nuts think the earth is round there were volcanos erupting in Japan a couple days ago. I got my visa ready for settling on the moon, which is really actually round. Columbus, y'mach sh'mo, gotta go!

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 Aug 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

Reply to #20  
flatbusher Says:

Open up a chumash and look what Hashem did to the people of the flood for moral decay. Look at the story of Yonah.

Do you think Hashem will remain silent? He never does. I have heard someone say that Rabbi Avigodor Miller Z"L once said that if most of the states pass equality bills then America will cease to exist. Certainly sounds like his style, and as much as it may hit a raw nerve with some people, face it. The story of the Mabul is an example. Look at the first Rashi in the Torah how Hashem gives countries to whom ever he wants since its His world. And in Parashas Divarim.

Talmud states that one of the reasons that caused the final decision for the mabul was when they started acknowledging homos as legal marriages. Yerushalmi actually states that earthquakes come because of this sin, and amazingly, shortly after NY passed their law a very rare earthquake shook the eastern sea board including NY! Its a warning sign!

IF YOU ARE SMART YOU WILL MAKE SURE YOUR FAMILY HAS VALID VISAS. If a terrible calamity strikes you need to be in the best position to get out...so make that hishtadulus.

Actually, you can open up the story of gilgamesh, which was written 1500 years before the story of Noah and tells about a great flood

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 Aug 20, 2013 at 11:50 AM dewhiskered Says:

Reply to #28  
bewhiskered Says:

"Do you think Hashem will remain silent? He never does"

So, you are the official representative of הקב"ה to speak for Him? Perhaps, you should be thinking more of כי לא מחשבותי מחשבותיכם, instead of trying to emulate אשר יזיד לדבר דבר בשמי.

"So, you are the official representative of הקב"ה to speak for Him"
Answer: We are all representatives of הקב"ה on this world and you are quoting this verse out of context. But you know what Hashem wants.

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 Aug 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM bewhiskered Says:

Reply to #31  
dewhiskered Says:

"So, you are the official representative of הקב"ה to speak for Him"
Answer: We are all representatives of הקב"ה on this world and you are quoting this verse out of context. But you know what Hashem wants.

"We are all representatives of הקב"ה on this world and you are quoting this verse out of context."

We are not the representatives to say what הקב"ה will or won't do! And, exactly how am I quoting anything out of context? Please explain, if you can!

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