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Photo image from an ad in Yiddish newspaper DER YID in their recent Succos edition showing construction work at the new planned Hasidic project in Bloomingburg, NY Photo image from an ad in Yiddish newspaper DER YID in their recent Succos edition showing construction work at the new planned Hasidic project in Bloomingburg, NY

Pine Bush, NY - According to Assemblywoman Aileen Gunther, state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s office is conducting an investigation into the 396-unit housing project currently underway in Bloomingburg.

Times Herald Record (http://bit.ly/HbHIGT) reports that the statement by Gunther—-who also said she recently spoke with officials from the AG’s office—-comes just a week after Orange County Legislator and Pine Bush school board member Roseanne Sullivan submitted a letter requesting an investigation by Schneiderman’s office.

In her letter addressing the project which most believe will house primarily Satmar Hasidim, Sullivan wrote, “The approvals were obtained through the misrepresentation of the facts and circumstances of the proposed development.”

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Bloomingburg residents, as well, have requested an inquiry, citing “egregious misconduct” on behalf of Bloomingburg officials, who they say have shown a “blatant disregard for the law, freedom of information laws, open meeting laws, conflicts of interest, voting irregularities as well as concerns of financial improprieties.”

Over 200 residents packed last month’s Planning Board meeting at Village Hall, where developer Shalom Lamm was slated to give a presentation on a proposed all-girls private school—-one that would service the housing project, while possibly taxing local Pine Bush finances .

That meeting was abruptly canceled after it was determined by officials that not everyone in attendance could properly hear the presentation.

“I almost feel like it’s some kind of stall tactic or something,” Bloomingburg resident Kimberly Romer said after the meeting.


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 Oct 23, 2013 at 05:58 PM Realistic Says:

Don't they realize that any lawsuit would bring a counter lawsuit for discrimination?

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 06:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Shalom Lamm is not Satmar. He is Norman Lamm's son.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 06:08 PM enough is enough Says:

Don't they realize the old ways of riding roughshod over everyone else are over? It's a new world, one where Satmar can't get away with the same stuff they've been doing for decades. It's one thing wanting to build a new community, another to tax locals for the privilege.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 06:19 PM Longwave Says:

Why would someone make 396 housing units in a community that has only 450 people? Why would the people of that town have to subsidize a private yeshiva?
Didn't we have enough chillul Hashem in Postville where the town also had to subsidize the yeshivas??

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:30 PM aleph Says:

Don't believe all the hogwash. Support the Talmud Torah? Maybe pay some of its transportation costs, while practically doubling their property tax revenues.

I don't know if I can condone the secretive way they obtained their permits but it's hard to blame them now with all the anti-semitism on display from their future neighbors.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:32 PM Realistic Says:

Reply to #4  
Longwave Says:

Why would someone make 396 housing units in a community that has only 450 people? Why would the people of that town have to subsidize a private yeshiva?
Didn't we have enough chillul Hashem in Postville where the town also had to subsidize the yeshivas??

It's not an issue of subsidizing, it's only for special ed. If someone is subsidizing it's the ones who sent to private schools and pay real estate tax. (Take kiryas Joel for example, property tax is cheaper then any other place.)

The issue is simple they are afraid they will be a minority. But I thought in America you're not allowed to discriminate based on religion.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:32 PM willouful Says:

Reply to #3  
enough is enough Says:

Don't they realize the old ways of riding roughshod over everyone else are over? It's a new world, one where Satmar can't get away with the same stuff they've been doing for decades. It's one thing wanting to build a new community, another to tax locals for the privilege.

Your hatred towards Satmar is unbelievable. This Is a private development built by Mr. Lamm which happens to be Satmar people are going to settle there.
How narrow-minded can you go!

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:40 PM SERIOUS Says:

Reply to #3  
enough is enough Says:

Don't they realize the old ways of riding roughshod over everyone else are over? It's a new world, one where Satmar can't get away with the same stuff they've been doing for decades. It's one thing wanting to build a new community, another to tax locals for the privilege.

Without getting into details, this town will now flourish. New revenue via real estate taxes, new revenue from sales tax from new community members. What are they complaining about taxing the locals?

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:47 PM nat101 Says:

The taxes the yidden pay, usually official part of the deal, HELPS the town. Besides the economic uplift to the area. If the people don't want it is NOT due to any cost to them. I recall in other areas upstate where the local newspapers reported how much millions of taxes the town will benefit from the deal, easing the burden for everyone.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Realistic Says:

Don't they realize that any lawsuit would bring a counter lawsuit for discrimination?

Not every time is it discrimination!!! Stop crying wolf for goodness sakes! These homeowners may have reasonable complaints or issues and want things clarified before the project is completed. Here them out!!

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:24 PM mason Says:

Reply to #3  
enough is enough Says:

Don't they realize the old ways of riding roughshod over everyone else are over? It's a new world, one where Satmar can't get away with the same stuff they've been doing for decades. It's one thing wanting to build a new community, another to tax locals for the privilege.

"another to tax locals for the privilege"
How exactly will the "Locals" be taxed for the privilege? the 396 new residents will pay their share of Property & school taxes! please think before you post.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:51 PM yaakov doe Says:

What is there to investigate if proper permits were issued and the housing units are up to code. I don't see how the village can oppose an private school that won't cost them anything and will provide some construction jobs.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:53 PM bkjew Says:

Reply to #4  
Longwave Says:

Why would someone make 396 housing units in a community that has only 450 people? Why would the people of that town have to subsidize a private yeshiva?
Didn't we have enough chillul Hashem in Postville where the town also had to subsidize the yeshivas??

Reply to 3 and #4. You schmucks don't realize that they hate u too ???? The political correctness they using is that satmars going to do this and that. in reality they hate JEWS specialty chasidim. BTW I pay school taxes in Brooklyn and my kids go to private school. Can I call uncle Sam asking back for that money ?

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 07:58 PM Mark Levin Says:

Reply to #4  
Longwave Says:

Why would someone make 396 housing units in a community that has only 450 people? Why would the people of that town have to subsidize a private yeshiva?
Didn't we have enough chillul Hashem in Postville where the town also had to subsidize the yeshivas??

OBVIOUSLY something is amiss here as if the reporter wasn't regurgitating the facts too well.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 08:10 PM ABlogger Says:

Best thing for the Satmars. As a politician Schneiderman will never do anything against either faction of the Satmars. He will try to nail one or two local officials. Then he will turn around and fight 'for' the Satmars 'against' the discrimination. Something that's part of the AGs task. (Schneiderman even created a new religious rights unit in his office.)

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 08:21 PM pupa-cuchem Says:

Reply to #4  
Longwave Says:

Why would someone make 396 housing units in a community that has only 450 people? Why would the people of that town have to subsidize a private yeshiva?
Didn't we have enough chillul Hashem in Postville where the town also had to subsidize the yeshivas??

#4 you sound like the potz from potsville, and you are a self hating discriminating jew, if this project would have been secular or non Jewish would anyone care, it's strictly discrimination and anti semitic, why and where did satmar cause chillel hashem, because they need where to live, shame on you

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 08:25 PM Tothepoint123 Says:

Reply to #4  
Longwave Says:

Why would someone make 396 housing units in a community that has only 450 people? Why would the people of that town have to subsidize a private yeshiva?
Didn't we have enough chillul Hashem in Postville where the town also had to subsidize the yeshivas??

You are full of hate!

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
pupa-cuchem Says:

#4 you sound like the potz from potsville, and you are a self hating discriminating jew, if this project would have been secular or non Jewish would anyone care, it's strictly discrimination and anti semitic, why and where did satmar cause chillel hashem, because they need where to live, shame on you

Your gutter vocabulary suggests it is you who is the intolerant potzelah from Pottsville. The article and the ongoing investigation clearly state there has been an ongoing lack of transparency, which apparently is the norm for real estate transactions in KJ and Monsey. The developer is not a Satma chassid but he is the son of a highly respected menahel and Rosh Yeshiva and may have been deceived by the locals as to whom would actually occupy the housing.

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 09:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Realistic Says:

It's not an issue of subsidizing, it's only for special ed. If someone is subsidizing it's the ones who sent to private schools and pay real estate tax. (Take kiryas Joel for example, property tax is cheaper then any other place.)

The issue is simple they are afraid they will be a minority. But I thought in America you're not allowed to discriminate based on religion.

Then anyone should and could move into this "Satmar housing". They can't turn someone away because they are not Satmar or not Jewish. You can't have it both ways: can't discriminate against Jews moving in but you want to discriminate against people moving into this housing complex??

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 09:35 PM yaakov doe Says:

With 396 units of housing there certainly is the need for a least one "Shabbos goy" for emergencies

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 10:42 PM Anonymous Says:

If you morons could read as well as you screech, you would see the article says "possibly taxing the locals...." Before you make total fools of yourselves, think before you click send. You are embarrassing yourselves, not

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 11:31 PM pupa-cuchem Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Then anyone should and could move into this "Satmar housing". They can't turn someone away because they are not Satmar or not Jewish. You can't have it both ways: can't discriminate against Jews moving in but you want to discriminate against people moving into this housing complex??

reply to 18
it's very obvious that you are really innovative, using my line to attack me, think up your own stuff, you are a global potz not the one from potsville

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 Oct 23, 2013 at 11:38 PM PeaceNow Says:

Isnt satmar a sect that is against the state of Israel? If so then clearly nobody should support them either!

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 02:21 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #7  
willouful Says:

Your hatred towards Satmar is unbelievable. This Is a private development built by Mr. Lamm which happens to be Satmar people are going to settle there.
How narrow-minded can you go!

Does that mean satmars will work with secularists or is Lamm not who the previous poster stated? If it's the former, I'd like to see this one! Will it be an all take or will they actually respect Lamm afterwards?

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 02:22 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #11  
mason Says:

"another to tax locals for the privilege"
How exactly will the "Locals" be taxed for the privilege? the 396 new residents will pay their share of Property & school taxes! please think before you post.

Read before you post, it is what the article has you assuming if you can read the article

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 03:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
PeaceNow Says:

Isnt satmar a sect that is against the state of Israel? If so then clearly nobody should support them either!

Support? What are you talking about, who's supporting here.


This investor/developer owns this property for a few years, tried different type of people to move in and failed to find. Then decided to try Jewish people different sects with in the Jewish community even Satmer KJ also declined.

They are serious investors and believe in there project , they invested 25 Million dollars of there own money and completely rebuild the sewer system that we don't hear about,, we only hear about ppl who believe that when משיח will come we'll regain our state. For now we can't call it our state because the same G od who gave it to us took it from us so I was told is the Satmer's believe. For that they should not live like normal people and pay those ridiculous rent in Williamsburg, Borough Park etc?

Don't forget, we don't have to agree with there believes about Israel, there still Jewish and humans with most of them large families, with this project will be able to come out from there basements into normal liveable conditions, increase revenue and business into the area, pay school tax when they built there own school as to what I hear so I think its a win win situation. One is having from a deserted property into residual revenue, one from a 6ft ceiling basement to live like a mench and pay a bit les for there mortgage then they currently pay rent..

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 04:22 AM charls Says:

Reply to #20  
yaakov doe Says:

With 396 units of housing there certainly is the need for a least one "Shabbos goy" for emergencies

Can you the one ?

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 04:26 AM charls Says:

Reply to #23  
PeaceNow Says:

Isnt satmar a sect that is against the state of Israel? If so then clearly nobody should support them either!

Ha ha they don't need your suport keep barking

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 06:40 AM Professor Says:

My understanding of the article is that bloomingburh residents claim that the May be "disregard of the law" and that approvals where "obtained with misrepresentation"
If true than satmer is wrong here.
Yes they need housing. But get it with the truth.

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 08:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

Your gutter vocabulary suggests it is you who is the intolerant potzelah from Pottsville. The article and the ongoing investigation clearly state there has been an ongoing lack of transparency, which apparently is the norm for real estate transactions in KJ and Monsey. The developer is not a Satma chassid but he is the son of a highly respected menahel and Rosh Yeshiva and may have been deceived by the locals as to whom would actually occupy the housing.

How moronic of you, to use foul language to criticize his accurate description of the situation.

The aspersions you cast are manufactured.

Shalom Lamm misled? Why don't you just walk over to him and ask him if he is a fool? Who do you think approached whom?

What is hugely misleading about Bloomingburg is their concern that they may have to pay for state mandated services at the school? These too will be residents. And they will be almost doubling their tax roll, without increasing the public school enrollment. They should be dancing.

They are no less discriminatory than you.

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Then anyone should and could move into this "Satmar housing". They can't turn someone away because they are not Satmar or not Jewish. You can't have it both ways: can't discriminate against Jews moving in but you want to discriminate against people moving into this housing complex??

"They can't turn someone away because they are not Satmar or not Jewish. "

That is exactly what they did in Ramapo and the Feds are investigating this. They would not allow non Satmars to rent or buy and published the ads in Yiddish and Hebrew only in Jewish publications. When non Satmars called to view the apartments, they were told none were left. The Feds have released some of their findings and there will soon be indictments.

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM I_Am_Me Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

Support? What are you talking about, who's supporting here.


This investor/developer owns this property for a few years, tried different type of people to move in and failed to find. Then decided to try Jewish people different sects with in the Jewish community even Satmer KJ also declined.

They are serious investors and believe in there project , they invested 25 Million dollars of there own money and completely rebuild the sewer system that we don't hear about,, we only hear about ppl who believe that when משיח will come we'll regain our state. For now we can't call it our state because the same G od who gave it to us took it from us so I was told is the Satmer's believe. For that they should not live like normal people and pay those ridiculous rent in Williamsburg, Borough Park etc?

Don't forget, we don't have to agree with there believes about Israel, there still Jewish and humans with most of them large families, with this project will be able to come out from there basements into normal liveable conditions, increase revenue and business into the area, pay school tax when they built there own school as to what I hear so I think its a win win situation. One is having from a deserted property into residual revenue, one from a 6ft ceiling basement to live like a mench and pay a bit les for there mortgage then they currently pay rent..

To treat yiden as yiden no matter their view points, you're 100% right on. However, treating them like yiden who would rather curse at you then follow the Torah of ahavas chinam that is something no one with half a brain can tolerate

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 11:28 AM commonsense99 Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

Support? What are you talking about, who's supporting here.


This investor/developer owns this property for a few years, tried different type of people to move in and failed to find. Then decided to try Jewish people different sects with in the Jewish community even Satmer KJ also declined.

They are serious investors and believe in there project , they invested 25 Million dollars of there own money and completely rebuild the sewer system that we don't hear about,, we only hear about ppl who believe that when משיח will come we'll regain our state. For now we can't call it our state because the same G od who gave it to us took it from us so I was told is the Satmer's believe. For that they should not live like normal people and pay those ridiculous rent in Williamsburg, Borough Park etc?

Don't forget, we don't have to agree with there believes about Israel, there still Jewish and humans with most of them large families, with this project will be able to come out from there basements into normal liveable conditions, increase revenue and business into the area, pay school tax when they built there own school as to what I hear so I think its a win win situation. One is having from a deserted property into residual revenue, one from a 6ft ceiling basement to live like a mench and pay a bit les for there mortgage then they currently pay rent..

please write "this message was brought to you by Mr. Lamm" sorry Mr.Lamm if you play the real esate game and buy something with a pipe dream in mind there is a good chance you would get burnt, you risked your money to upgrade an sewer system at your own risk. that is the pitfalls of real estate. sorry

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 Oct 24, 2013 at 02:31 PM Tothepoint123 Says:

Reply to #29  
Professor Says:

My understanding of the article is that bloomingburh residents claim that the May be "disregard of the law" and that approvals where "obtained with misrepresentation"
If true than satmer is wrong here.
Yes they need housing. But get it with the truth.

If someone did something wrong here, its mr. Lamm, not satmar... He reached out to them just recently.

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 Oct 31, 2013 at 06:48 PM KG915 Says:

seriously people...it's not about the religion. Yes, there a few nuts in every bunch and that's what you are trying to run with here to make this a jewish issue. THE REAL ISSUE if you have read the latest newspaper article is that the frontman Mr Roe admits he lied to people about the project and the size, a man on the board admits he didn't read the paperwork he signed and never saw 396 units and if he had he would have nixed it. Mr Roe admits he was deceitful and never mentioned the 1.4 million he was supposed to received for the deal but didn't when Mr Lamm sued him. The REAL ISSUE is the TOWN and what the town can't handle, the admitted deceit by the board, the lack of information that is given and the fact that any time anyone asks for anything regarding this project everyone screams Anti anti semitic! We want answers and we want the truth. 396 of any kind of housing is kind helpful for the town that has one street light, barely paved roads and only 400 residents currently. Our school system and our town can not handle that influx. It's not a jewish, black, white, purple issue so stop making it that way.

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