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Brooklyn, NY - VIN News has learned that many gedolim will come out tonight with a P’sak, stating that those people who want to help make a Kidish Hashem should donate the BIG EVENT tickets fund they bought and can claim it as Ma’aser money for tzedakah.

leading this effort is world-renowned Torah personality Rabbi Dovid Goldwasser.

While many frum Jewish newspapers in their weekend-edition, where splashing ads congratulating Lipa on the great Kidish he made, lets not forget, that the people who organized this event are standing to lose in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, including the Mosad simchat Tzion , lets come together to help raise the funds, or forgo your refund and donate this to Tzdokah.

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Lets make it into one of the Biggest Kidish Hashems in the recent memory.

For details please go to www.nybigevent.com  and it will be updated with information. VIN news will stay on top of this and will report it here. The organization Simchat Tzion is asking all those who bought tickets, not to refuse it on their Credit card, it causes more trouble. just call their hotline at 718 873 0888

VIN News has also learned that the Charadi newspaper Yated Neman was also approached to print this ban, and were offered $4500, and they refused to print it.


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 Mar 03, 2008 at 12:53 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't want to even comment on this ongoing fiasco of The Rabbonim v.s. the communities at this point. I do believe that a new KOL TORAH should go forth demanding the heimisher oilem to partake in a campaign of teshuva and aparticular day of fasting and hisorarois regardind the threat of a Barack Huuuuusain Obama victory c"vh. If he wins and his ill advisors and backers persuade him on his Jewish / zionist policies, we wont c"vh have to worry or debate about concerts again. Ha Shem Ya racham.. A Simchadick PURIM!!!!!!!!!

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 Mar 03, 2008 at 09:09 AM Anonymous Says:

OK, I confess. The unusually long post by Anon 4:11 actually held my interest for a while and I was beginning to think his arguements held water.

Then I read his that the job of a parent is to be a child's best friend.

WRONG. A parent's job is be a role model, to educate and inspire by example, to be a child's source of strength and trusted advisor. The idea that parents should raise children by being their best friend has been one of the greatest pitfalls of our time.

Children (and adults) need freinds, teachers, leaders, advisors.
An adult needs at various times in his life a CPA, an Attorney, an MD (or as I've noticed in the last few years, a team of MDs), a dentist and an eye doctor, a rav, an aizer k'negdo, a trusted friend and other important players in the story of his life.

No one needs to be told what kind of disaster your life would be if you trusted your doctor for legal advice, trusted your CPA with your medical issues, trusted your rav for tax advice,trusted your lawyer for anything, trusted your dentist for halchic advice, your mother in law for dental advice..........

A parent trying to be his/her child's best friend (and I write trying rather than beind because it won't work anyway) deprives the child of one fundamental relationship and runs the risk of depriving his/her son/daughter of a second:
The child does not have a parent and might also never connect with a suitable best friend.

This can also cause much bigger problems when the child grows up and looks for the ultimate 'best friend'. A child who never had an appropriate best friend as youngster is likely to get it wrong when looking for the ultimate 'best friend'.

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 Mar 03, 2008 at 05:11 AM Anonymous Says:

To 4:11AM

"We take our children shopping and leave the car for a moment and the child decides to play with the radio "

If you leave your child unattended in a vehicle, you should be arrested and charged with endangering the welfare of a minor

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 Mar 03, 2008 at 04:11 AM Anonymous Says:

A little heads up for all you readers.
Just so you know, the reason our children are they way they are has nothing to do with the music coming out of our heimishe singers. Just in case you don't know, there is something called a radio and all the stations are free to listen to. When we listen to radios in our cars whether its the news or even a talk show, we encourage it to our children. We take our children shopping and leave the car for a moment and the child decides to play with the radio and pushes the AM/FM button and switches the stations and lands on a station that seems to be playing music that he heard on the street from a car whizzing by. After listening once then twice then three times it becomes attractive. Lets not forget that the (goyish) music industry is a multi billion dollar industry and has the right tune and the right beat to want to make you dance and move. There is a certain attraction to this kind of music that we can all understand. Especially the people that want Lipa to be banned in all case situations since they know that any music with rhythm and beat has an influence on that person listening. For example did you ever walk into an elegant office (Dr.'s office) or even shop in a supermarket and hear soft background music? Why do they have soft piano playing in the supermarket? Because a relaxed shopper takes his/her time looking at the items and decides "Do I need it or not"? Just by picking up the item they already have a 70% chance the item will be purchased. The music is to relax the consumer. Similarly to a Dr.'s office it is to relax the patient before seeing the Dr.. Music is a definite influence to our children and the only child that will know if a song was a source of goyishe music is a child that has heard or listened to that kind of music before. If music was imported from a different country, music that was never heard in the States before and converted into a yiddishe song, no one would know (at least for a long while) that it is a goyishe source. The proof is in the MBD song "Yidden". And there are many many other song that the sources are from the goyishe producers that we do not even know about and that are played by most of our simchas ( for example the titanic theme and songs of such nature). If a child wants to listen to rap, rock, disco or the blues all he needs is a radio and he will have exactly what he is looking for. A child interested in Jay Z is usually not interested in Lipa. Take adults as an example, thousands of yingerlat listen to goyishe music. Black hatters, shtreimlach, long beards and krazel peies all enjoy the rhythm and the beat of all types of music. None of them resort back to "hey did you here the latest Lipa cd?". Rather they sing and hum to the new Britney Spears "Give me more". The child that finds attraction to music by Lipa, does not have a "gateway" to goyishe music no matter what you think. The real problem is, the more you tell a child NO the more the child wants it and we are all children in that way. How many children are going to try to listen to Lipa (not that anything is wrong with his music) now that there was so much of "NO LIPA" "NO BIG EVENT" going on? I think rather then assuring concerts the rabbonim should be busy concentrating on training parents in "Chinuch 2008" not old school because we are living in 2008 not 1970, 1980, 1990 or even 2000. Every parent has a responsibility to be a child's best friend and try to put in enough effort and energy on telling the children how to enjoy their lives and love hashem rather then fear hashem and be in a narrow minded closed life. Be real, your goyishe employee will not stop using dirty language no matter what and as soon as your child is exposed to that instead of making it a taboo subject, tell your child how not nice such a word is and by using that he will only make himself cheap and worthless. Explain that any classy person does not use the language of the street, rather a low life thug like Joey uses such words. And since he is such a precious child and a example of what a child should be such language should not be used by him. I still belive that most of you reading this agree that Lipa is not our problem with todays "chinuch" and i challenge you to differ. All of you take a good look around, our mosdos only ban Lipa music because big deals are made out of it. We are living in a world today where it takes 30 seconds for a "UPGIHEATENER YID" can become a "OYVER AVAYRAH". Please take all your energy of negativity and focus it on raising you children with respect and dignity and you will see LIPA aint our problem rather we got much more to worry about. So in closing I think the "ISSUR" was an agenda of a disgruntled man who has some type of vengeance with Lipa and went all out to make sure the big event won't happen. Instead of preaching reason why someone should not go and explain why it is wrong (which in my opinion I can't find anything wrong with watching a Jewish performer do his thing especially when tznius is not a problem(seperate seating)) he went ahead and made a whole BIG EVENT out of it which caused a whole bunch of people to loose money. I don't blame the Rabbonim either since I belive that they did not know about this Kol Koreh that they officially signed, but instead of making themselves look like fools they agreed that they did sign the paper. But once they agreed that they signed it I think respect should be given to the paper and the Rabbonim should learn somethings for the future. VEHMAIVIN YUVIN

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 Mar 03, 2008 at 01:18 AM Anonymous Says:

The Sifre, states:
'Even if it appears to you that
they are saying that right is left and left is right, listen to them'
Sifre Shofetim 145

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 Mar 03, 2008 at 12:40 AM Anonymous Says:

See the article "Daas Torah: A Modern Conception of Rabbinic Authority" by Lawrence Kaplan, found in Rabbinic Authority and Personal Autonomy. The larger question, which no one is addressing is since when is Halachah made by a Kol Koreh rather than by a Teshuvah? Would be allowed to eat machine matzah, not at the seder, if there was a Kol Koreh after the machine was invented saying it is a davar chadosh and assur min hatorah? Would we have been able to turn lights on and off with a Shabbos clock, if there was a kol koreh to assur it? There will always be people for and against anything. Halachah c alls for legal analysis. Not every matter needs a unanimous opinion. Some shuls stand up for Lecha Dodi, Some sit down, and then there is the legendary shul where half stand and half sit and they all yell at each other. I have no problem with a psak halacha. My problem is with 30 Rabbis who issue a Kol Koreh, implying that EVERYONE must follow their lead, that there is no room for anyone who reaches a different halachic decision. How many hundreds of Rabbis did Not sign the Kol Koreh, were never asked. Are NONE of them worthy of respect? Rabbi Horowitz, you compared these rabbis to parents. Parents have to treat their children with respect as well. Parents cannot answer all question with because I said so, because I am the Parent. That, as you are well aware, is a surefire recipe for disaster. And BTW I do try to be polite. If you have to censor me, I would appreciate knowing where I have crossed the line and I will try not to repeat my mistake

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:34 PM Emes Nederes Says:

Correction:

The gadol of the chutspaniaks is anon 4:15. I apologize for the typo.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:22 PM Emes Nederes Says:

1) Why a ban 2 1/2 weeks before the concert?

Not sure. For all you know, there were "peaceful" efforts made to end the concert. When those were unsuccessful, the gedolim had no choice but to ban. I am NOT speaking from any knowledge. You are just asking a kashya on the gedolim. The halacha states that one must judge even a beinoni l'kaf zechus. For a talmid chacham, one must judge l'kaf zechus even if you think that they are certainly doing something wrong. Kal Vachomer when you have so many gedolim signed on the KK.

2) Why not admit mistakes if they are made or the KK was signed in error?

Don't know. Which Rav has come out and said that anything was in error?

3) Why is there no explanation forthecoming about the "hidden reasons" for this ban?

The Gemara says that in E"Y, when a gezeirah would be made, they would not reveal the reason for a full year. The reason for that was that people would come to be mezalzel in the takanah. If one had any doubt about the wisdom of the chachamim, all one has to do is read this blog for five minutes and see how much the gedolim are questioned.

4) Why not ban all concerts?

I bet that some Rabbanim would ban all concerts. But perhaps it made the most sense to ban a concert that was being targeted at a Chareidi audience. What would be the point of issuing a ban of the HASC concert when the MO world wouldn't listen anyway?

5) How about other "preitzusdika venues"...

One step at a time...


These are my proposed answers to your questions. However, the real point of my posting in this blog was not to defend the psak and actions of the gedolim. They don't need me to defend them. (We all need them to defend us...)

The reason for my posting was to be MOCHE at the terrible lack of kavod hatorah that was being exhibited on a "Yiddishe" website. All of you who posted should go to HaRav Schorr Shlit"a and ask for Mechila.

And to the gadol of all Chutzpaniaks, anon 4:52, maybe you should go ask your "normal" Flatbush rabbis about your post. I'm sure that anyone who calls himself a Rabbi would think it's worthwhile that you ask HaRav Schorr Shlit"a for mechila. I pray to Hashem that you do tshuva.

And to "zach", you call this a "travesty"? Churban HaBayis was a travesty. Oh yeah, and that happened because of sinas chinam.

Let's all try to be mechazek ourselves to have emunas chachamim and not believe everything that's being spread against gedolei yisroel shlit"a. Even if you can't accept their position, you're probably better off just keeping your mouth shut.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Emes Tehei Nederes: I agree with you that the many of the posters are way over the line in terms of person afronts on our gedolim.....

However, please help all of us, searching for these answers...

1) Why a ban 2 1/2 weeks before the concert?

2) Why not admit mistakes if they are made or the KK was signed in error?

3) Why is there no explanation forthecoming about the "hidden reasons" for this ban?

4) Why not ban all concerts?

5) How about other "preitzusdika venues"...

One must realize that there are a lot of difficulties with this situation that need a good explanation. These can not just be handled by "we have to have trust"

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:55 PM Emes Nederes Says:

Another issue that seems to have lost significance is the fact that all the Gedolim from Eretz Yisroel put out a KK a few months ago, assuring all concerts at which men and women are present, even if there is separate seating. That KK was signed by Maran HaRav Elyashiv Shlit"a, HaRav Aharon Leib Shlit"a, the Gerrer Rebbe Shlit"a and all the other gedolim. Why does no one seem to care that our gedolim assured all of these concerts? Before you open your mouth and type a single word against the Gedolei E"Y, I suggest you think very hard.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:51 PM Emes Tehei Nederes Says:

I know that what I am about to write is probably futile, but l'she shamayim I am going to try anyway:

First of all, how dare anyone of you sit there and bash one of the Gedolei Hador, HaRav Avrohom Schorr shlit"a. Anyone who has the zechus to know him knows that he is the biggest moser nefesh in our generation. He gives of himself tremendously to his shiurei Torah and to his mispallelim as well as to many nefoshos who need chizuk. I challenge anyone of you to show me the makor in "Chafetz Chayim" that permits you to speak of ANYONE this way, let alone a tremendous talmid chacham. Even according to your shita that claims that the Rav Shlit"a is wrong (one which I am not mekabel), there is still no to'eles to the words that are being said here. Whatever you THINK went on here is certainly no worse than an aveirah that is shakul k'neged gilui arayos, shefichus damim and avoda zarah. I'm not wishing bad upon anyone, but you should all be ashamed of yourselves posting such shmutz in the name of Torah.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:

What are all of you people going to do when this nonsense finally dies down? When you finish knocking rabbonim for what they did will you go back to knocking them for what they don't do?

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 08:25 PM Anonymous Says:

anon 8:11 PM

You said a bulls-eye.

The best post of all these postings.

What you said is the bottom-line problem and the truth.

This Schorr who banned this Lipa concert is OK with tonights HASC concert.

Why?

Because he has a few rich mispallelim that are involved with HASC.

I see from these postings that the Oilem is starting to wake up and protest.

This is a good beginning.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 08:11 PM Anonymous Says:

I am Anon 6:40
I would just like to add
Instead of encouraging Love and Ahava for all Jews, they would mock "Baali Batim"
they would say if you answered a simple answer to a diffucult question in Gemarrah
"thats a baalibatishe teritz"
instead of encouraging learning they made fun of the "teiritz" and the Baali batim" in one fell swoop!

They made us daven Shabbos in Yeshivah. Here was my father working like a dog in a factory. We never ever saw him during the week, and here he is finally looking forward to shabboss with our large family.
Looking forward to davening together as a family, So here comes along some Rosh Yeshivah and kidnaps his children on this most sacred day under the guise of "Torah"
My friends, my father Z"L who saw with his own eyes what the "Alter Dor" looked like, told us that we are now a "dor yuseim" there are no leaders. Today (this was 45 years ago) its all a business!
This guy wants to be a doctor, this guy owns a retail store and this guy is a Rosh Yeshivah.
All business!

Then they told us that we couldn't go to college (while they were all born with jobs) ...
thereby creating thousands upon thousands "leidegeir" and crooks to rob the system!

So finally here comes a chassidisher Yungerman, who doesn't want to be on programs but wants to make an honest living with a talent that G-d gave him, so along comes a bunch of Rabbonim who never worked a day in the entire lives and ban him from doing what G-d gave him.
And you have a bunch of liars who on one hand, tell us to listen to these Rabbonim, and on the other hand they "dis" them by reading the bloggs which these very Rabbonim prohibited in another Kol Korah.
Only the Baalei Teshuvah go for this garbage
The FFB and the Heimishe guys that went to Yeshivah from birth know the score very well and know that this is all hogwash.

thanks guys for listening

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 08:01 PM zach Says:

Ma'aser money? FEH! This is just to get the "Gedolim" off the hook for their ban. They should incur the costs of the concert, or better yet let it be paid by the perpetrator of this travesty - Avrohom Schorr.

All ticket holders demand a refund! Then make your separate contribution to Simchat Tzion.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 07:18 PM Anonymous Says:

It's interesting that 11:52 attacks people who had the courage to sign their names. Yes I know I didn't This time, but I did in the past on this particular set of posts.

So, Mr/Mrs/Rabbi whatever...obviously you are either as out of touch as you appear or you're not out of pocket so you just don't care.

Good luck to you in both cases.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 06:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Thanks for the info!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 06:40 PM Anonymous Says:

I know exactly where the problem is:
I have attended a couple of Yeshivas in my life. My children have attended a couple of Yeshivas. My grandchildren are now attending Yeshivas.
And what do you think dear readers are they hearing day and night from the Rosh Yeshivas?

The Balai Batim this, the Balai Batim that ....
All they did and continue to do is berate the hand that feeds them.
They (the Rosh Yeshivas) put a hatred of Balaei Batim in their Talmidim. They tried and succeeded to separate parents from their children, telling them not to daven with their parents because they are just Baalei Batim.
Now looking back, (Its now 20 years since my parents died) I regret not davening with my Father Z"L a person who lost a wife and two children in the Holocaust. This is because my Rebbis were constantly drilling into me that davening with Baalei Batim was not right.
I now see, what these Rosh yeshivas did:
1) they destroyed the Heimeshe Nussach, and instead instituted a boring Yeshivah Nusach with absolutely zero Mesorah.
2)They put a hated for Baalei Batim into me.
3) They separated Fathers from children, so now years later, I and my brothers are struggling to find our true mesorah

As Malcom X put it:
"The chickens are coming home to roost"
Good luck Klall Yisroel
Youv'e made your Rosh yeshivas into Rebbis. They want to control your lives.
Its not about Lipa nor is it about Concerts, its not even about the Goyish Music. They the Rebbis and Rosh Yeshivas would listen to Chazzonim such as Pintchic and Kwartin who were openly Mechallel Shabbos and ate non-kosher foods.
Its about control and kovod
thanks guys

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

The Rabbonim that signed this Kol Koreh should make good on the lost money.

Don't tell me how or where to spend my Tzedakeh money after you made such a big mistake.

Take responsibility for you did.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

So Tina, finish your thought intellectually. Therefore, they should back the lenders - meaning put their money where they talk and raise the money needed to fund the cost. That will speak volumes and is probably the only way to assuage the aggravation generated by all this.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:

TO ANNON 3:42
YOU ARE 100% RIGHT DID YOU EVER SEE A BAIS MEDRASH CLOSE DOWN DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS?
DID YOU EVER SEE A YESHIVA CLOSE DOWN DUE TO LACK OF FUNDS?
THEY DONT WORK FOR THE DOLLAR THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT WHAT A DOLLAR IS OR WHAT THE AVERAGE BAAL HABOSS BREAKS HIS BACK TO EARN IT
THATS ALSO WHY THEY WILL NEVER SIGN ABOUT THE OUTRAGEOS PRICE OF MEAT AND CHICKEN FOR PESACH WHICH THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE BUTCHERS TO RAISE THE PRICE THE COWS DONT HAVE TO BE FED OBERLANDERS MACAROONS FOR PESACH

THEY WILL NOT SIGN ABOUT THE COST OF MATZOHS
ETC


ONLY LIPS SCHMELTZER IS CLALL YISROELS PROBLEM

P.S.
ANY ROV OF A SHULE WHO CAN ONLY ATTRACT AN OILAM DUE TO HIS RANTS AND RAVES AND CURSING OUT OTHER PEOPLE IS NOT WHAT FLATBUSH NEEDS
WE HAVE BH PLENTS OF NORMAL RABBONIM AND WE DONT NEED TO IMPORT LUNATICS

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 03:42 PM Anonymous Says:

`I don't believe that any of these Rabbonim ever took a monetary loss in all their lives, thats why they didn't take monetary damages in their account when they signed the ban!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:

2:49, you seem to know a lot about the cost of producing a show. Why don't you call Sheya and ask him? Then, like a big boy, you can tell everyone exactly how much loss is involved before you open your trap.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 03:07 PM Tina Says:

Rabbi kamintesky said that it may not have been the right thing to do to rush into this without meeting everyone. He also said they probably should not ban all concerts. I dont understand this either im just saying dont throw out the baby with the bathwater -

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Even enough people do not request refunds, the concert promoters might make more money with the ban than without it. This is because the promoters will have some costs that will not be incurred as a result of the cancellation. The Garden will probably only charge a cancellation fee, rather than the full cost. Same thing goes for the some of the travel and other expenses. The security, concession workers, etc. get paid hourly, and they will not get paid for the time they would have been working. I am sure that no one is concerned about the money they lost out of the ban.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:32 PM Anonymous Says:

This has definitely put a serious damper on any respect I had previously had for rabbonim. There was no reason for this ban, it definitely made jews look bad. There are so many people I hear from that totally lost respect for rabbonim now. The ban was completely uncalled for, we all looked foward to the concert, it is our decision whether to go or not. If frummer people who dont like the style of music dont like it, then they have the option of not attending. Banning it for no reason is absolutely disgraceful

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:20 PM Anonymous Says:

if the whole thing would be a one time thing, and the rabbis say we were misled, then maybe we would all swallowed a bit BUT we have seen it in the past and we know we will see it in the future This is what gets so many people so angry

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:01 PM Anonymous Says:

To Tina
that is rxactly the point of most Bloggers, That the Rabbonim made a huge mistake.
So why dont they come out and say so.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Instead of stopping to buy the Hamodia we should stop advertising and stop supporting their advertisers until they make good on all of the monies that were lost for the concert. If they feel so strongly that the concert should be banned let them put their money where ther moth is and pay for the losses. If they want they can count it as maaser.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:53 PM Anonymous Says:

I think that a class action law suit should be filed against Asher Friedman and the any member of the moetzes who signed the ban. A stand must be taken now so that no more Kosher recreational activities are banned, lest more of our children chas veshalom go off the derech.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:53 PM Anonymous Says:

I think the only way the Rabbi's can prove that they did not make a mistake by NOT reversing their statements is by banning all large concerts, i.e. HASC etc.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:

TO: 11:52 i didnt even bother reading more then a few of your lines it was enough for me to see in your post that lipa is acashveirosh and you are mordechai. why do you have to make fun of other commentors to make your point?

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:26 PM Tina Says:

even if some rabonim made a mistake here - there is no reason to bash them universally - we all make mistakes - and if they made one here then fine - no need to go off on them

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:

ATT: 12:58

'YOU ARE A SICK PERSON, YOU NEED YOUR HEAD EXAMINED, HOW DARE YOU??

GET A LIFE!!'

Very Intelligent! I get your point! I HIT HOME. (Truth hurts a bit, No?)

P.S. In the future ask Mommy how to behave / respond.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:

TO: 11:52

YOU ARE A SICK PERSON, YOU NEED YOUR HEAD EXAMINED, HOW DARE YOU??

GET A LIFE!!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 12:36 PM Anonymous Says:

asher friedman and his baloney organization should be banned
we have no use for kanoiim
we are all human beings and not animals you dont act first
you call discuss offer and then possibly warn
but you get daas torah first with all the facts

this friedman is a disgrace to his holy grandfather

as far as listening to daas torah all the time absolutley but the rabbonim who are quite busy have to know as well that there are rabble rousers who look to make trouble all the time and cause hardships

those people with full time jobs dont have time for kanois
only those who live off the schnoor "running mosdos" being in kollel indefinitly they have all the time!


p.s. investigate nechomas yisroel to see the names of the children they placed in yeshivas i bet youll find that the real # is half of what they claim!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 12:36 PM Anonymous Says:

there is a lawyer friend of mine that would love to take on this case and sue the rabbies, hamodia etc.. and teach them a lesson they wouldn;t soon forget.

Shame on you rabbies for spreading hate in the name of Torah and Shame on that stupid newspaper hamodia.. By the ay Hamodiah just reprints articles rom otehr news sources there is really nothing of value there to read.. Shut them down.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 12:10 PM cynic Says:

now that reb godolvasser is involved everything is solved

why cant the gedolim canceel the daf yomi siyum in msg and use that money to reimburse the producers and the people who bought tickets

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:56 AM ATR Says:

WOW, the rabonim cant come up with the money to cover the events losses they turn it back on s the people to cover this big loss!!

How about if they would have sat down and weighed ALL the consequences BEFORE they released the Kol Koreh???

If it were not Gedolim involved I would have called them Morons!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Let me add my own two cents here.

I think Rabbi Friedman made a VERY SELFISH CALCULATION. The way people are heading with this culture of so called Jewish Music Industry, in the very near future he would have to shell out a lot more money to children gone off the derech. – Children, products of parents (adults who cannot control themselves) who destroy any amount of Yiddishkeit in their home. Where (Jewish) rock/roll/jazz/junk/garbage is spewed out constantly. Where chutzpa towards Gedolim is open. Think about it - all you Rabbi-rousers. Where are you headed? How will your children turn out?

How would you have responded in the instance where Achashverosh would make a Big Event. (a Jewish one to be sure – everything was Kosher). How would you all bad-mouthed Mordechai and all the Gedolei Hador – who banned the Party? ANY DIFFERENCE???

Think about it.

The way you are all writing, makes it obvious that you’re all terribly infected and affected by this (Jewish) music. It’s plain to see. None of you are writing like a frum Yid should be.

To :’almost embarrased to be frum’ - I know it Don’t worry. Maybe your children won’t. Especially with your input / attitude.


To ‘hindy’: ‘They bought them to SEE A CONCERT!’.
Sounds like the baby crying ‘I want my lolly’. Can’t get over it. It just blocks the mind.
For your information (if this ever gets through to you): Hashem and his Rabbonim do not OWE anything to any individual in compensation for keeping the Torah or Mitzvos. No, it wasn’t Hashem OR HIS RABBONIM who messed up – but the producer(s) & party-goers who overstepped the boundaries. Your disdain for HaShem and his Torah-True Leaders is showing (‘Taliban tactics’, ‘these Rabbis etc have the chutzpah’ , ‘DON'T YOU PEOPLE DARE TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY’, ‘You expect ME to clean up YOUR mess? YOU dit it, YOU fix it.’).

Today’s Rabbomin, like in Mordecai HaTzadik’s time, are just trying to save what’s left of True Yiddishkeit.


To ‘Rabbi Katz’ (how about bashing THIS so called self proclaimed rabbi)

1.‘Hamodia printed this ban where it out rightly shames personally a person.’ – I’m not sure whom the shamed. Was it the singer? We all knew his style. Was it that he hasn’t singing like a Jew should? We all SHOULD HAVE known.
2. after realizing the mistake there is no apology. – What Mistake? For your information, it is STILL forbidden! (good try)

3.Lipa was terrorized, his Holocaust survivor father was threatened, so lipa caved in. – OH REALLY?? Terrorized!! – Maybe his Holocaust survivor father was terrorized to see his son sing like that.

4. we teach our children that you can shame in public people, destroy and cause money looses for another Jew. – And I’ll ask you exactly what are you doing toward RABBONIM? – About money loss I already wrote about that earlier.

5. the gedolim of our dor have lost tremendous respect by many teenagers – REALLY? How? Tell me – who are the (Jewish) stars that your children are taught to look up to? Today’s singer and clowns or Gedolei Torah? It’s YOUR OWN FAULT. Set your priorities straight!

Your manner of writing only confirms it! (very unbecoming of a Jew, let alone a Frum one, let alone a ‘Rabbi’)

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Right or wrong is irrelevant. The point is that the community sees that there are limits. No matter how BIG the event, we must respect our Gedolim. Sure it could have been done better, and hindsight is 20/20 but there is a lesson in all of this

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:44 AM Anonymous Says:

I agree the rabonim did a very bad job This is the rabonim of 2008 they are busy with this but when you need to ask them a question they tell you in a nice way to leave us alone

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:38 AM Anonymous Says:

kudos to the newspapers that refused to get involved in lashon hara, rechilus and motzi shem rah-
machlokes - when most persons reading the paper have no "shaychus" the the inyan - whether the kol koreh was authentic or not has no place for a torah'dig paper as the yatet. I will order a subscription to the yated!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:

I wish Sheya Mendlowitz would have the guts to take only one or two of the biggest FAKES Rabbonim that signed this KK (I think it should be referred to from now on as the KKK) To Bes Din,, Use their method to get justice served. A ROV IS LIABLE FOR HIS NAME BEING PUT ON A KKK. Take some responsiblities.. Where are your Breiteh Pleitzes?? These Rabbonim,(FAKES AND FONIES) are just enough to make my morning sickness that much worse... I NEED TO GO BRECH! Do these falshe pieces of so called torah take it on their shoulders that all concerts need be banned, according to this last KKK? Do these falishe pieces of work take it on their shoulders that yiddishkiet because of THEM has become a joke to our teens? I hope they realize what they are responsible for when they collect their Rabbonishe paychecks, and have their gaboyim drive them around in the name of the Heiligeh Torah.. to me, it is a bunch of heresy,, shabsai tzvi type of junk.... LIPA, I wish u would have gone on with your concert. I am sorry you had to deal with such faleshe chevre that parade around in the name of das torah!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:

a few years ago. unfortunately a family member of ours was sick. it was in a depressing ward. as we were talking with the doctors deciding on a life or death situation. we saw lipa bringing smiles to patients including us. we will never forget this. in our worst hour when we were feeling so down this neshoma of a yid came to lift our and all the people spirits.

when i heard the ban, and whom they were targetting i felt personally attacked. a person with such fine midos as lipa. i felt it was an attack on me and all the people he brough so selflessly brought smiles to.

as the other comment stated, i too read the hamodia i will ban that newspaper from our home, i resolve never to read it again. its a paper of sina, machlokes politics and negative energy.

Unfortunetly i look at the gedolim in a different light as i used to? i asked my self a question how can this be "das torah" if there was no drisha vchakira" ???

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:44 AM Anonymous Says:

I think there is more to it then just covering up the losses,its a nysoyon to see if you can go one step higher and give the money that you spend for the concert to tsedokeh.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:30 AM Rabbi Katz Says:

Lets analyze the 'Gevaldiga Kidish Hashem' Hamodia, Der Blatt, Der Yid, Yated, etc. are brainwashing us.

Kidish Hahsem 1. Hamodia printed this ban where it out rightly shames personally a person.

Kidish Hashem 2. after realizing the mistake there is no apology.

Kidish Hahsem 3 . Lipa was terrorized, his Holocaust survivor father was threatened, so lipa caved in.

Kidish Hahsem 4. we teach our children that you can shame in public people, destroy and cause money looses for another Jew.

Kidish Hashem 5. the gedolim of our dor have lost tremendous respect by many teenagers

if you have anything else to add to this erroneous Kidish Hashem, please do so.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:

These 'big rabbonin' who are busy with everyones lives need to be scrutinized in their personal and public lives. anyone want to start? I am sure we all know alot of things about these 'rabbonim' that if publicized truthfully would whip them into shape real fast!
a concert is not something to be ostracized. we have had them for years. are the hasc concerts, etc, now going to be banned?
are these 'gedolim' putting their hands into their pocket to support these wonderful organizations that use the proceeds from these events to keep doing their wonderful works?
anyone who wants to make trouble doesnt need a venue. they will find trouble on their own.
at least with this type of concert we have structure.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Let all those who signed the ban and Hamodia split the losses if they think they did the right thing. Don't tell others how to spend their maaser money to cover for your wrong-doing!!!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:19 AM Anonymous Says:

I am canceling my subscribtion to HAMODIA. I wasn't planning to go to the concert but I do know how hard it's to make a buck and I can't understand why Hamodia would be the only english newspaper to print this AD. I therefore have know other option put to cancel myt subscribtion
P.S. I will start buying and reading the YATED.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 10:02 AM hindy Says:

I am sure that for many people, the Tzedaka angle was not the reason bought these tickets. They bought them to SEE A CONCERT!

So after cancelling it & using Taliban tactics, these Rabbis etc have the chutzpah to tell us WHO we should give our Tzedaka to! Don't botter with credid card refunds, it's too much trouble, just give the tickets to the Tzedaka organization.

These spokespeople are a bunch of ganavim. If I want specifically to support a Tzedaka I'll write a check. DON'T YOU PEOPLE DARE TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY. You made this mess, it's YOUR responsibilty to put it right, not mine. Asher Friedman, how come you're so quiet all of a sudden? How much of YOUR (not OPM) money have YOU thrown in? Not one red cent, I'll bet.

I'm going back to my credit card company because I want a refund. If I decide to redirect it towards a Tzedaka organization I'll do it.

If you people care so much about the organizers, YOU repay their losses.

You expect ME to clean up YOUR mess? YOU dit it, YOU fix it.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:52 AM Anonymous Says:

because they preach to the chior.
give these rodfim askanim a real job

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:

The truth is that Lipas tapes should also be baned for bringing in such goyish style nigunim to the yiddish world

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:39 AM Anonymous Says:

term limits for religious leaders is a must!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Every rav was contacted before the KK was printed and if any rabbanim feel thay were misguided why dont thay come out with a KK saying that thay were misguided.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:28 AM Anonymous Says:

was teh big event a mixed seating or a seperate seating event? if it was seperate, what is the whole oisgifeld? its a kosher form of entertainment, and its better than our kids running in the streets!if it was seperate seating, does this mean no more concerts?

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:20 AM yated basher Says:

The Yated did not print the "paid" ad, simply because the deadline was missed, and printing was almost underway.

The Yated rarely turns down a paid ad.

Also, the Yated did the same shtick this week with the lIpa interviews like everyone else.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:11 AM Anonymous Says:

The Hamodia by their own admission printed th KK without first verifying its authenticity (Probably because of all the advertising money Usher Freidman / Nechomas Yisroel gives them). I too stopped buying the Hamodia
--
What are you talking about? The KK was authentic! The Rabbanim have not claimed otherwise.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:07 AM Anonymous Says:

I’m really happy how this ENTIRE matziv is being handled. B’h all over the world, Klal Yisrael has been blessed with many real Gedolei Torah, Rabonim, and Askonim, who are guiding us through turbulent times in golus.

WHERE WOULD WE BE WITH OUT OUR GEDOLIM, RABONIM, and ASKONIM? (in MSG?)

L’maysa the whole concert sounded like it was gonna be a huge harty party

***(WITH ABSOLUTLY NO BOUNDRIES)***

at M.S.G. right before purim,
THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT mordechai AND esther wanted us to take out of the story of PURIM.

Hamodia is the only Newspaper with Das Torah, they made NO mistake, they have done a great job standing up for KOVOD SHOMUYIM.
Same time I think we should ALL send our donations to cover the losses.
ALL others who refused the Kol Koreh are...
---------------------------------
I am sure "everyone" reading this comment will agree 1 0 0 % with all of the above.
--------------------------------- HAVE A NICE DAY........... Moshiach is on his way.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 09:02 AM Anonymous Says:

take the hamodia and this group of askanim to din torah for the whole amount of loss plus the value of being mevaish individuals in an international public forum. make them pay to the point so that they will never afford to raise their agenda of hate again.the music industry should pool their financial resources to fund this legal action the public who believe in yashrus should stand behind the offended parties .respect the rabonim go after the rodfim/askonim

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 04:05 AM Anonymous Says:

As some body who rarley comments on blogs especially issues of political nature this seems to be a uniqe oppurtunity for observation.
We have what to my knowledge to be a aprobation by rabbis who upon being questioned have admitted, they were not aware of the ban. Yet steadfastly stand by it as not to g_d forbid minimize the effect of a "kol koraiah", now here again the rabbis feel the need not to diminish their influence. By not accepting the consequence of their actions represented here by the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars by the organization that sponsered this event, To rally the troops under the banner of "donate to save this organization" does not exonerate the group of blame. If there was a justifiable claim to stop this event then forget the consequences do not feel or act as somone who needs to walk both sides of the line. Its is the responsiblity of this governing party who placed them selves squarley in this position not to send mixed messages.we as a community can not and will not clean up the mess caused by this ban. If a group can make a decision stick to it and dont hide behind the veil of maaser.
In closing if the event would have continued could we have counted the ticket expenditures as maaserM i wonder.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 03:45 AM Anonymous Says:

THose rabbis have alot of nerve, they made this mess and now because of all the credit card charges they want us to loose our money and just call it tzedaka, we yeden are being led by the blind, These rabbis are not helping anyone lives just created meanness and cruelty. Stupid rabbis you have embarrased Yiddishkeit. What will you think of next?

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Maybe all the rabanim that signed should sit down and learn a mesechta of gemara. They should then make a SIYUM hASHAS on march 9th in the Madison Square Garde. Proceeds of the tickets should go to cover the losses of the concert which they forced into cancelation.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:37 AM Anonymous Says:

The Hamodia by their own admission printed th KK without first verifying its authenticity (Probably because of all the advertising money Usher Freidman / Nechomas Yisroel gives them). I too stopped buying the Hamodia

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:35 AM Anonymous Says:

I agree. Homodia should admit their mistake. They have done a great job staying out of jewish politics etc. It is unfortanate that they have sunk themselfs with this.

give us the news and stay of of misguided polotics of people with an agenda.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 02:21 AM Anonymous Says:

well said anon 1;38

Il add to your comment, Hamodia is a direct casue why pepole will no longer trust Kol Korahs.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:38 AM Anonymous Says:

The one who is really responsible for this travesty for taking down a few people and shame them, is Hamodia newspaper, I respected them a lot, and read them every day, since this story I stopped buying it.

its a disgrace that they don't apologize in their newspaper, and just face the mistake they made, instead they keep on pumping this issue as if Lipa made the worldest biggest kidish hashem ever happened since Matan Torah, the biggest "kidish hashem" would be, if Hamodia prints a call to help cover the losses caused to this Mosad, and to the organizer of the concert.

shame on Hamodia editors, the respect that you have build is gone.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:32 AM Anonymous Says:

I am impressed by the Yated if they indeed refused to run the ad.

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:08 AM Anonymous Says:

I think we should all get behind the organization and help do what we can, it was comforting to hear the good words tonight!

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 01:08 AM Anonymous Says:

let the gedolim and usher freidman give the masser . whoever paid for tickets get your money back

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 12:55 AM almost embarrased to be frum Says:

WHOA!!! Hold your horses.... I'm just a bit confused here???

They (wew still dont know who "they" is/are) went ahead and boycotted a concert based on their misguided beliefs; they forced countless people to incur costs and losses in the heavy numbers; they caused a bigger chillul than the actual convert would have been and now they want us to donate our money to Maaser and/or to help raise funds to cover the losses??? I just dont get it... This is what Yiddishkeit is all about??

Why didnt they think about this ahead of time??

I Just Dont Get IT?!?

PLEASE, someone explain this to me, PRETTY PLEASE????

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 Mar 02, 2008 at 12:26 AM Anonymous Says:

i think the rabbis didn't think that the big event would acutely be canceled they just wanted to give an issur

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