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Homeland Security investigators on Nov. 20, 2013 stand in front of one of the Brooklyn Stores raided. The store located in Borough Park on Ft. Hamilton Parkway on 56 Street.(Arya Rabinovits/VINnews.com)Homeland Security investigators on Nov. 20, 2013 stand in front of one of the Brooklyn Stores raided. The store located in Borough Park on Ft. Hamilton Parkway on 56 Street.(Arya Rabinovits/VINnews.com)

New York - Authorities are raiding more than a dozen stores in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan in connection with a food stamp fraud investigation, according to 1010 WINS.

It’s all part of a joint investigation between Homeland Security, the New York State Attorney General’s Office and the New York State Department of Health.

The alleged fraud involves the WIC (Women, Infant and Children) food stamp program.

Food Stamps recipients would go to certain stores and trade the stamps for money, sources said. They received 80 cents on a dollar, with the store pocketing the rest, D’Auria reported.

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The stores were collecting on average 20,000 food stamp coupons a month, sources said. Most stores collect about 200 coupons a month.

Law enforcement sources said more than two dozen people are expected to be arrested in connection with the investigation on Wednesday.

Homeland Security investigators stand in front of one of the Brooklyn Stores raided. The store located in Borough Park on Ft. Hamilton Parkway on 56 Street.(Arya Rabinovits/VINnews.com)Homeland Security investigators stand in front of one of the Brooklyn Stores raided. The store located in Borough Park on Ft. Hamilton Parkway on 56 Street.(Arya Rabinovits/VINnews.com)

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM Anonymous Says:

And they better punish those who sold their coupons as well! All of us graciously support them so they can have healthy pregnancies and young children but here they are stealing and committing fraud. We the tax payers are the victims here and both the stores and the families receiving WIC should be punished to the greatest extent of the law, besides for paying us tax payers back and not being allowed to ever be on WIC or SNAP as they have proved they can't use it responsibly.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 12:59 PM brooklyn mom Says:

please excuse my question--since Baruch Hashem I have never had food stamps--I thought they all had Benefits cards and that food stamps were included on those. So what do they mean by coupon?

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

And they better punish those who sold their coupons as well! All of us graciously support them so they can have healthy pregnancies and young children but here they are stealing and committing fraud. We the tax payers are the victims here and both the stores and the families receiving WIC should be punished to the greatest extent of the law, besides for paying us tax payers back and not being allowed to ever be on WIC or SNAP as they have proved they can't use it responsibly.

please take your downers!!!

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

And they better punish those who sold their coupons as well! All of us graciously support them so they can have healthy pregnancies and young children but here they are stealing and committing fraud. We the tax payers are the victims here and both the stores and the families receiving WIC should be punished to the greatest extent of the law, besides for paying us tax payers back and not being allowed to ever be on WIC or SNAP as they have proved they can't use it responsibly.

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:01 PM inNY Says:

The Feds should take-down next all Landlords who take section 8 plus under the table cash for mor rent, its a disgrace.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 01:54 PM smile2me Says:

Reply to #2  
brooklyn mom Says:

please excuse my question--since Baruch Hashem I have never had food stamps--I thought they all had Benefits cards and that food stamps were included on those. So what do they mean by coupon?

Wic is given in the form of a check for a certain amount of food with a total max the food can cost you (e.g 2 bottle milk 1 bread 1 cereal etc $12). The store fills in and attaches a bill to the check inorder to be reinbursed. Some store will give you 80% of the value in cash falsify the amount spent and pocket the rst as a fee for giving cash back. Totally illegal

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

Please do not print comments posted by these people whose goal is to taint the orthodox community.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 01:46 PM boropark01 Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

I can see, you would love to see a Jew in this situation. You are not a anti-Semite just a self-hating Jew.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 01:40 PM JUDY1 Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

And they better punish those who sold their coupons as well! All of us graciously support them so they can have healthy pregnancies and young children but here they are stealing and committing fraud. We the tax payers are the victims here and both the stores and the families receiving WIC should be punished to the greatest extent of the law, besides for paying us tax payers back and not being allowed to ever be on WIC or SNAP as they have proved they can't use it responsibly.

GOD IS GOING TO PUNISH YOU FOR TALKING LIKE THIS SHAME ON YOU

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 01:38 PM my opinion and my answer Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

asked previous “ Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'??
I think many will agree with me that wrong is wrong, no matter who.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:06 PM abuse of power Says:

Why are we using homeland security for food stamp fraud, assuming they have not much elso
To do this days, I would sugests this agents should go look for a real job in privete sector

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:13 PM oiber-chacham Says:

OY VEY, we all better stock up on groceries,because if this story is true then expect a lot of grocery stores in boro park to be shuttered and closed

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:13 PM Chaimd Says:

Reply to #5  
inNY Says:

The Feds should take-down next all Landlords who take section 8 plus under the table cash for mor rent, its a disgrace.

what makes you feel there is something wrong with charging more rent money than sect 8 pays? As a matter of fact sect8 wants the renter to pay a percentage of the rent based on income!!

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:20 PM old time values Says:

It is a bizayon that frum people should use government assistance programs - welfare. If they are really poor than their fellow yidden should be helping them. If they are not really poor then they should not be using the programs that are meant for poor people. Also those people who deliberately make themselves poor by not working, should get off their chairs and get a job or go to school and learn a profession. These programs should only be used by people who have to deal with health issues or temporarily due to job loss. They should not be a way of life such as to support oneself in Kollel. Again if someone is genuinely poor despite making efforts to not be poor than the community should be helping them, not Uncle Sam and the community should be helping them in the spirit of V'Chai Achicha Imach. Hashem should help anyone who is truly poor enough that they legitimately qualify for these programs.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:21 PM mewhoze Says:

the worst part is they could be using the money to buy beer and cigs rather than getting healthy foods for their babies

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:25 PM inNY Says:

Reply to #13  
Chaimd Says:

what makes you feel there is something wrong with charging more rent money than sect 8 pays? As a matter of fact sect8 wants the renter to pay a percentage of the rent based on income!!

On top of the percentage the renter pays, the landlords takes additional cash.. that's 100% fraud.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

how do you know she didnt have her clothing and jewelry before she fell on hard times - she is not obligated to sell her clothing to be legally eligible for SNAP or WIC

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:37 PM Professor Says:

Reply to #16  
inNY Says:

On top of the percentage the renter pays, the landlords takes additional cash.. that's 100% fraud.

Is this fraud only by the landlord? Or is this the tennents fraud too?

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
old time values Says:

It is a bizayon that frum people should use government assistance programs - welfare. If they are really poor than their fellow yidden should be helping them. If they are not really poor then they should not be using the programs that are meant for poor people. Also those people who deliberately make themselves poor by not working, should get off their chairs and get a job or go to school and learn a profession. These programs should only be used by people who have to deal with health issues or temporarily due to job loss. They should not be a way of life such as to support oneself in Kollel. Again if someone is genuinely poor despite making efforts to not be poor than the community should be helping them, not Uncle Sam and the community should be helping them in the spirit of V'Chai Achicha Imach. Hashem should help anyone who is truly poor enough that they legitimately qualify for these programs.

In order to get welfare you need to be working..Get the facts before mouthing off

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
old time values Says:

It is a bizayon that frum people should use government assistance programs - welfare. If they are really poor than their fellow yidden should be helping them. If they are not really poor then they should not be using the programs that are meant for poor people. Also those people who deliberately make themselves poor by not working, should get off their chairs and get a job or go to school and learn a profession. These programs should only be used by people who have to deal with health issues or temporarily due to job loss. They should not be a way of life such as to support oneself in Kollel. Again if someone is genuinely poor despite making efforts to not be poor than the community should be helping them, not Uncle Sam and the community should be helping them in the spirit of V'Chai Achicha Imach. Hashem should help anyone who is truly poor enough that they legitimately qualify for these programs.

A lot of families would love to have your name and telephone number so you can your money where your mouth is.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
boropark01 Says:

I can see, you would love to see a Jew in this situation. You are not a anti-Semite just a self-hating Jew.

The self hating jews are those who commit chillel hashem by stealing.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:52 PM Facts1 Says:

Ok, so I get it people exchanged food for money, I bet that they are not rich people, rather they are suffering from the governments lack of creativity to create paying jobs and affordable housing & tuition.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
inNY Says:

On top of the percentage the renter pays, the landlords takes additional cash.. that's 100% fraud.

Exactly the way i see it here in bp,sec.8 pushes up the rent since the landlords know they can get extra rent

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:55 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #14  
old time values Says:

It is a bizayon that frum people should use government assistance programs - welfare. If they are really poor than their fellow yidden should be helping them. If they are not really poor then they should not be using the programs that are meant for poor people. Also those people who deliberately make themselves poor by not working, should get off their chairs and get a job or go to school and learn a profession. These programs should only be used by people who have to deal with health issues or temporarily due to job loss. They should not be a way of life such as to support oneself in Kollel. Again if someone is genuinely poor despite making efforts to not be poor than the community should be helping them, not Uncle Sam and the community should be helping them in the spirit of V'Chai Achicha Imach. Hashem should help anyone who is truly poor enough that they legitimately qualify for these programs.

You are 100% right every word you wrote is right on.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:56 PM Liberty Says:

I am baffled as to why Homeland Security (HSI) should be the investigative agency. Are these recipients of WIC benefits also suspected terrorists?

Maybe it comes to prove that these agencies overlap and are themselves a fraud using excessive force on low level criminals. They should be out there fighting violent criminals in Crown Heights.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 02:58 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #9  
JUDY1 Says:

GOD IS GOING TO PUNISH YOU FOR TALKING LIKE THIS SHAME ON YOU

It looks like youre ego got to you,you know exactly what god will do , wow wow what a shoite you are.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:07 PM JUDY1 Says:

Reply to #14  
old time values Says:

It is a bizayon that frum people should use government assistance programs - welfare. If they are really poor than their fellow yidden should be helping them. If they are not really poor then they should not be using the programs that are meant for poor people. Also those people who deliberately make themselves poor by not working, should get off their chairs and get a job or go to school and learn a profession. These programs should only be used by people who have to deal with health issues or temporarily due to job loss. They should not be a way of life such as to support oneself in Kollel. Again if someone is genuinely poor despite making efforts to not be poor than the community should be helping them, not Uncle Sam and the community should be helping them in the spirit of V'Chai Achicha Imach. Hashem should help anyone who is truly poor enough that they legitimately qualify for these programs.

you dont want to help them thats why you talk like this lets see when you going to be poor what you will do

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:23 PM basmelech Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

You can get fancy clothes in a thrift shop for "bupkes", so don't judge by appearances.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:33 PM OyGevald Says:

הוי דן את כל אדם לכף זכות

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 04:01 PM mythoughts Says:

Reply to #5  
inNY Says:

The Feds should take-down next all Landlords who take section 8 plus under the table cash for mor rent, its a disgrace.

You're right, these landlords should not accept section 8 tenants for the paltry sums of money that is being offered to them by the govt (in many cases). Don't let the govt dictate to you how much your apt rental is worth.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:27 PM c Says:

Reply to #18  
Professor Says:

Is this fraud only by the landlord? Or is this the tennents fraud too?

It is the tenant's fraud as well. However, the tenant is often in an unfair bargaining position with the landlord and will most likely be looked at as the victim. Also a landlord who has numerous properties will have many times more exposure, if there is a pattern of this behavior.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 04:21 PM Secular Says:

Reply to #22  
Facts1 Says:

Ok, so I get it people exchanged food for money, I bet that they are not rich people, rather they are suffering from the governments lack of creativity to create paying jobs and affordable housing & tuition.

"affordable housing and tuition."

Ever hear of (free) public school ?

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:18 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #14  
old time values Says:

It is a bizayon that frum people should use government assistance programs - welfare. If they are really poor than their fellow yidden should be helping them. If they are not really poor then they should not be using the programs that are meant for poor people. Also those people who deliberately make themselves poor by not working, should get off their chairs and get a job or go to school and learn a profession. These programs should only be used by people who have to deal with health issues or temporarily due to job loss. They should not be a way of life such as to support oneself in Kollel. Again if someone is genuinely poor despite making efforts to not be poor than the community should be helping them, not Uncle Sam and the community should be helping them in the spirit of V'Chai Achicha Imach. Hashem should help anyone who is truly poor enough that they legitimately qualify for these programs.

I really dont understand your position...The government feeds billions of dollars to poor countries who do not contribute a penny to the USA economy and we feed them with food,ammunition,technology on taxpayers account SO why should the community feed our hungry people ? I believe our community is giving more then their fair amount of charity supporting all kinds of charities.....Why should Uncle SAM take our money and NOT feed our hungry or people living in poverty...
Would you say this to any other community? did u read the news that one out of five americans are on food stamp assistance...maybe the local communities should feed them rather then Uncle sam?
You name yourseld Old time values...I think you are an Old time Jew Hater

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:24 PM c Says:

Reply to #13  
Chaimd Says:

what makes you feel there is something wrong with charging more rent money than sect 8 pays? As a matter of fact sect8 wants the renter to pay a percentage of the rent based on income!!

In the off chance that your comment was actually serious, I will attempt to explain this to you as simply as possible. Section 8 sets the fair market rental value for the apartment and also sets the amount that a particular tenant can rent it for. So if a person is approved for a $1,300 voucher they can't rent an apartment that is renting for $1,800 for example. Also if an apartment's market value is only $1,200, they can't charge $1,500, just because a tenant has a $1,500 voucher.

Now lets say a tenant has a $1,500 voucher and the apt is approved. The tenant will often have to pay a portion of the $1,500 out of their own pocket. That portion is set by federal guidelines. That is the portion that you are referring to.

Many landlords, will tell a tenant with a $1,300 voucher that they will rent them a $1,800 apartment, so long as the tenant not only pays their portion of the $1,300 per federal guidelines, but also pays the extra $500. That agreement is not only hidden from the federal govt, but the difference is usually in cash and not reported as income.

Btw, to any tenants who are in this situation and don't know their rights, you can sue your landlord pretty nicely.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:34 PM c Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Please do not print comments posted by these people whose goal is to taint the orthodox community.

Do you know the story about the farmer who buys a mule that supposedly moves just by talking to it. The guy gets back to his farm and tells the mule to move and nothing happens. So he send for the dealer he bought it from. The dealer proceeds to wack the mule and then says move and low and behold it moves. The farmer protests, but you hit it! The deal says "first u gots to get its attention".

We don't hate Jews or wish to villify them. We love yidden and yiddishkeit. Unfortunately some people are stubborn as mules and can't see the reality of our situation. So we yell a little and hock a bit and maybe throw so insults. We are just trying to get your attention and wake you up from lala land. I think it's been working pretty good so far.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

how do you know she didnt have her clothing and jewelry before she fell on hard times - she is not obligated to sell her clothing to be legally eligible for SNAP or WIC

notice I said: "WOMEN", not one. If it was once, they you would be correct and I would be dan lekaf zchus, but ive seen it countless times. Not only the women, but the men, who pay with WIC, and then hop into their fancy expensive cars. Stop defending it, you and I both know that its geneiva, but since its the "government", its ok, right?

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:41 PM #14 Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

A lot of families would love to have your name and telephone number so you can your money where your mouth is.

I am not rich. I am self employed and work many hours and struggle to make a living and pay taxes that I can not afford in order to support all the freeloaders and lazy bums who are scamming the system and it makes me very angry. As far as I am concerned they should eliminate all these programs except for people dealing with genuine illness or disability.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

Sorry it may not be the spirt of the law but assuming those wearing fancy cloths don't falsify information its legal. They are allowed to get free clothing from their mother-in -law. Don't confuse gezila with perhaps chilul hashem

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

Funny thing is formula in my local grocery store cost more than it should cost. This is because they get wic for it. So wic will pay $20 a can even if the noraml market price is $15. So they charge $20 even for those not on wic. Here's another wierd waste, eggs. Large eggs are double the price of extra large eggs. Because wic allows you to take large eggs but not extra large. 64 oz OJ bottles are double the price of 59oz bottles. Again because wic says you get 64oz. Botom line its a stupid wastefull government aside from fraud like this.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 04:46 PM Dovdov1 Says:

Too bad on VIN they couldn't put names down im sure they will update it as soon as they can.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 04:59 PM Facts1 Says:

Reply to #32  
Secular Says:

"affordable housing and tuition."

Ever hear of (free) public school ?

That's a melting pot where religious people are "practically" denied the right to raise religious children.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 04:59 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #32  
Secular Says:

"affordable housing and tuition."

Ever hear of (free) public school ?

You ever heard of TORAH ?

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 05:04 PM lamdan Says:

Interesting last week the same people now applauding authorities were cheering Felder for reinstating the vouchers that are also not fully legit that's why they lost it in the first place

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 05:36 PM Bukharian Says:

My taxes going to a good cause

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 05:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Liberty Says:

I am baffled as to why Homeland Security (HSI) should be the investigative agency. Are these recipients of WIC benefits also suspected terrorists?

Maybe it comes to prove that these agencies overlap and are themselves a fraud using excessive force on low level criminals. They should be out there fighting violent criminals in Crown Heights.

This is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations unit. I presume they're involved for at least one of two reasons:
some of the suspects are illegal immigrants
some of the proceeds are going abroad, perhaps to groups that are being monitored

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 05:47 PM Conscience Says:

Yet all is fine with the blatant corruption and thugocracy streaming from the dark forces way down in chicago style gangsmanship all going unimpugned , simply because the white man is idealogically speaking extinct , and so the blind leading the dead so to speak , yet in boro park those in where no knockout prowlers are to be found but rather preyed upon and from these hard working chinese or jews and when tamparing with them and no riots or decimation is avenged ; thats where these organized criminals in the name of officials and they do their heavoc , where is the creator for this incessant injustice

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:

To numbers 7&8: why am I a self hating jew? because it bothers me when my fellow people (those who do not need it) have zero shame when it comes to taking money from the goverment? Anyway you look at it, it's thievery. I guess the reason you got worked up is that you are probably both guilty of this.
And to #10 - thank you for your support. :)

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 03:35 PM #14 Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

In order to get welfare you need to be working..Get the facts before mouthing off

You do not need to be working in order to get WIC,Food stamps, Medicaid or section 8. I still consider them "welfare" even though the government does not. Since it is impossible for a frum family or even a non jewish family to live in New York City at the income eligibility guidelines for these programs, it goes without saying that these programs inherently breed fraud. In other words you must lie in order to qualify. Unfortunately this is the case with most govt. programs and now we are seeing the same with Obama Care. As I said before it is a Bizyaon that frum people should be on these programs and I stand by that statement. I will add, that if the wealthy people in our community do not want to support our aniyim in the proper way, than they should lean on the Roshei Yeshiva and Rebbes to get their followers to go to college or learn a trade that they can support themselves with and not rely on public money.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 06:06 PM Libert Says:

Reply to #32  
Secular Says:

"affordable housing and tuition."

Ever hear of (free) public school ?

Ever heard of social engineering? That's what the PS system is.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 06:12 PM BLONDI Says:

omg..this is on ft hamilton pkway...very close to home in bp...

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

A lot of families would love to have your name and telephone number so you can your money where your mouth is.

Unfortunately I am putting my money where your mouth is. I work on the books all my money goes to paying your food stamps,your section 8.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 06:16 PM Conscience Says:

Reply to #9  
JUDY1 Says:

GOD IS GOING TO PUNISH YOU FOR TALKING LIKE THIS SHAME ON YOU

Judy dear, when we will learn " מאויבי תחכמני
and that's when he will
punish our enemies ,where is the wrath where is the vengance we as humans show for the innocent people trying to bypass a government robbing asphyxiating a people with their reckless political achievements, all of course with the taxpayer ,with his hard earned dime, Judy you may scream at me , but dare the regime
mess with the community of the bandits and morally depraved gangstars, yes those who destroy and their color will spare them no matter what, and hell will break loose, yet we as lame ducks we sit and throw it all to the force that gives us a treasure-life , only to squander it
and say " g-d will punish you? "
where is the נחשון of our time !

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 06:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Secular Says:

"affordable housing and tuition."

Ever hear of (free) public school ?

I have a family member who is in mid pregnancy but didn't see a dr. Yet. Do you know why? She has no insurance. They make too much to qualify for Medicaid but cannot afford to buy privately. That is the real shanda. There is no help for middle class people

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 06:58 PM jack-l Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Please do not print comments posted by these people whose goal is to taint the orthodox community.

what are you worried about no one has to do or say anything The various practise instituted by some groups ensure self destrucution.
At on time they were brightest and best now some are just an embaressment. a huge chillul hashem.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 07:43 PM Conscience Says:

Reply to #53  
Anonymous Says:

I have a family member who is in mid pregnancy but didn't see a dr. Yet. Do you know why? She has no insurance. They make too much to qualify for Medicaid but cannot afford to buy privately. That is the real shanda. There is no help for middle class people

In a strange way , the knockout subhumans , having the same family valued upbringing . As the one presently seated in dc and they are to be admired, they at least go in groups , where as the white man and we still, our ego says hey its all cumbaya

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 08:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
basmelech Says:

You can get fancy clothes in a thrift shop for "bupkes", so don't judge by appearances.

But fancy sheitels and jewelry isn't free and don't come from a thrift shop. And you can't get matching new outfits for the kids from a thrift store...

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 08:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Anonymous Says:

I have a family member who is in mid pregnancy but didn't see a dr. Yet. Do you know why? She has no insurance. They make too much to qualify for Medicaid but cannot afford to buy privately. That is the real shanda. There is no help for middle class people

You can pay out of pocket to see a doc. And maybe if they are that dire straights they shouldn't be having children until she can at least pay for a doc...

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 08:31 PM CTJEW Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

Unlike welfare, SNAP-the correct name for the program formerly known as food stamps is NOT asset based. You can legally own a million dollar home, a 50 thousand dollar car and fine clothing and jewelry, and if your husband is loses his job on Wall Street and the family income goes from 2 million dollars per year to nothing you will be eligible for food stamps. This is NOT stealing. You are not required to sell your assets in order to receive benfits. Unlike WELFARE, no lien is placed on your property in the amount of benefits received, and you are not expected/required to pay it back if things improve in the future.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 08:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

To numbers 7&8: why am I a self hating jew? because it bothers me when my fellow people (those who do not need it) have zero shame when it comes to taking money from the goverment? Anyway you look at it, it's thievery. I guess the reason you got worked up is that you are probably both guilty of this.
And to #10 - thank you for your support. :)

It is not your place (or anyone else's, for that matter) to judge who is or isn't eligible for government aid. Even more so if you base it on appearance; Looks are deceiving.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
#14 Says:

You do not need to be working in order to get WIC,Food stamps, Medicaid or section 8. I still consider them "welfare" even though the government does not. Since it is impossible for a frum family or even a non jewish family to live in New York City at the income eligibility guidelines for these programs, it goes without saying that these programs inherently breed fraud. In other words you must lie in order to qualify. Unfortunately this is the case with most govt. programs and now we are seeing the same with Obama Care. As I said before it is a Bizyaon that frum people should be on these programs and I stand by that statement. I will add, that if the wealthy people in our community do not want to support our aniyim in the proper way, than they should lean on the Roshei Yeshiva and Rebbes to get their followers to go to college or learn a trade that they can support themselves with and not rely on public money.

Your suggestion is purely discriminatory, to put it mildly. There is no shame in being poor and reaching out for help, regardless of race or religion. The shame lies in practicing "big mouth-ism", imposing personal biases and "suggestions" on those who may be less fortunate than you are.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 06:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

Exactly the way i see it here in bp,sec.8 pushes up the rent since the landlords know they can get extra rent

100%. You know the working community could only take so much. I have the nisayon every time i come into some heimishe neighborhood i really struggle with my yetzer hora not to call 311. How am I supposed to feel when i see young guys my age driving around in late model cars, fancy clothing, trips to EY, and I know their not working, I know they get sec 8, EBT, medicaid. At the same time I work hard but all on the books (so my tax dollars goes to pay yenems nissan murano). Rabosai its ken thompson and I think because of a few like minded individuals chane is a comin.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 09:55 PM savtat Says:

Sometimes, people who really need the assistance are embarrassed to apply. What is irking is watching people "work the system" when perhaps, they could really get a job to cover their costs. No one in this country wants anyone, young or old to go hungry. However, some comments on this site have pointed out people living on a high life style, including trips and fancy jewelry, taking advantage of government programs. Listen up, it's not magic. If Yankel is collecting, Mutty has to be working and paying taxes to cover it. Pretty simple really. Not to mention the potential chillul Hashem.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Do you feel the same way about 'Inzerer'?? How many times have I seen women decked out in fancy clothes and jewelry walking into stores and paying for groceries with food stamps and WIC. And please dont call me an anti-semite - anyway you look at it, its gezeila.

Excuse me, a person can have what you call "fancy jewelry" and still be out of work, and rely of the city for help. Just because a woman looks decent (and how do you know she "just" bought her jewelry?) perhaps she has it for awhile.
Just because you are on food stamps doesn't mean you have to go around looking like a shmo....and of course, based on your statement, I know you are a loving jew with a heart that really fargins...I can just smell it...I can just smell how you know exactly what goes on in everyone's house and you want to call them out on it....
You're the typical................I'll leave that up to our readers to finish.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:02 PM cheesecake Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

You can pay out of pocket to see a doc. And maybe if they are that dire straights they shouldn't be having children until she can at least pay for a doc...

That is SO JUDGEMENTAL. There are many unplanned pregnancies resulting from contraceptives that failed. What do you recommend then, an abortion? Is that how harsh your judgment is? Every day people get pregnant even on the pill, IUD (including hormone, Morena IUD) and other forms. Get over yourself. Hashem is in charge, not you. What should you do if you don't qualify for Medicaid programs and have to choose between rent, tuition, student loans or food. This is not Canada where there's automatic coverage

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
boropark01 Says:

I can see, you would love to see a Jew in this situation. You are not a anti-Semite just a self-hating Jew.

Geit gezugt.....and it eats his heart out that someone looks like a mentch in spite of the fact that their husbands could be in dire need of parnassa or struggling to pay the rent...he is Mr. know it all....he passes judgement by the way the woman wear their jewelry...
Nice......we need more people like him...then Moshiach would surely be on his way.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
old time values Says:

It is a bizayon that frum people should use government assistance programs - welfare. If they are really poor than their fellow yidden should be helping them. If they are not really poor then they should not be using the programs that are meant for poor people. Also those people who deliberately make themselves poor by not working, should get off their chairs and get a job or go to school and learn a profession. These programs should only be used by people who have to deal with health issues or temporarily due to job loss. They should not be a way of life such as to support oneself in Kollel. Again if someone is genuinely poor despite making efforts to not be poor than the community should be helping them, not Uncle Sam and the community should be helping them in the spirit of V'Chai Achicha Imach. Hashem should help anyone who is truly poor enough that they legitimately qualify for these programs.

Really, there are many poor people around the their fellow yiden b'h have enough expenses to support so many people. That's why their is Gov't assistance, that's what it's made for. You have a choice to go with a cup in the streets and beg...if that's what you want...but our gov't has assistance for those in need and no shame to take if you need it...And you should stay out of the business of trying to judge others or tell them what to do...
Get a life.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
inNY Says:

On top of the percentage the renter pays, the landlords takes additional cash.. that's 100% fraud.

How would you know that...is that what you are doing???? speak for yourself, you self hating human drek...go worry about your own life and start taking inventory on your own aveiros...I'm sure you won't be finished counting, by the time Rosh Hashana rolls around again.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM How Food Stamps Should Work Says:

Food stamps should also work like the WIC program where the recipient can purchase specific healthy choices is specific proportions. There's no reason why the government should fund people's soda, nosh, chips, chocolate, ice cream, cake etc. It should require balanced healthy purchasing if it is on the government's dole. A certain amount towards produce, healthy carbohydrates, dairy, protein etc. They should hire nutritionists and doctors to revamp the system. This will also bring down the cost of healthcare associated with obesity. Have you seen how many very overweight or obese people are on food stamps?

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

The self hating jews are those who commit chillel hashem by stealing.

Could you quote a place anywhere that gives you the right to expose anyone that does something against the Torah..and in Public....for that matter...
Let's hear...Mr Righteous.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
bubii Says:

You are 100% right every word you wrote is right on.

Bubii...nice to see you...always agreeing with the self haters....that tells me exactly what you are too.................

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
c Says:

In the off chance that your comment was actually serious, I will attempt to explain this to you as simply as possible. Section 8 sets the fair market rental value for the apartment and also sets the amount that a particular tenant can rent it for. So if a person is approved for a $1,300 voucher they can't rent an apartment that is renting for $1,800 for example. Also if an apartment's market value is only $1,200, they can't charge $1,500, just because a tenant has a $1,500 voucher.

Now lets say a tenant has a $1,500 voucher and the apt is approved. The tenant will often have to pay a portion of the $1,500 out of their own pocket. That portion is set by federal guidelines. That is the portion that you are referring to.

Many landlords, will tell a tenant with a $1,300 voucher that they will rent them a $1,800 apartment, so long as the tenant not only pays their portion of the $1,300 per federal guidelines, but also pays the extra $500. That agreement is not only hidden from the federal govt, but the difference is usually in cash and not reported as income.

Btw, to any tenants who are in this situation and don't know their rights, you can sue your landlord pretty nicely.

We don't need to sue anyone...we just need to get you out of the way.....

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

notice I said: "WOMEN", not one. If it was once, they you would be correct and I would be dan lekaf zchus, but ive seen it countless times. Not only the women, but the men, who pay with WIC, and then hop into their fancy expensive cars. Stop defending it, you and I both know that its geneiva, but since its the "government", its ok, right?

Continue on.....we need more people like you to defend us.......we really do...
Go....on.....you're doing greaaat!

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
#14 Says:

I am not rich. I am self employed and work many hours and struggle to make a living and pay taxes that I can not afford in order to support all the freeloaders and lazy bums who are scamming the system and it makes me very angry. As far as I am concerned they should eliminate all these programs except for people dealing with genuine illness or disability.

Thank G....d that you are working and paying your bills...but stay out of it...all you infarginers.........who don't have the slightest idea about how others do or don't manage...All you do is talk talk talk.....
Just make sure you are not the lazy bum or freeloader...Don't be busy with other people's aveiros.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Conscience Says:

Yet all is fine with the blatant corruption and thugocracy streaming from the dark forces way down in chicago style gangsmanship all going unimpugned , simply because the white man is idealogically speaking extinct , and so the blind leading the dead so to speak , yet in boro park those in where no knockout prowlers are to be found but rather preyed upon and from these hard working chinese or jews and when tamparing with them and no riots or decimation is avenged ; thats where these organized criminals in the name of officials and they do their heavoc , where is the creator for this incessant injustice

Man...if only we can make sense of what you're saying.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

To numbers 7&8: why am I a self hating jew? because it bothers me when my fellow people (those who do not need it) have zero shame when it comes to taking money from the goverment? Anyway you look at it, it's thievery. I guess the reason you got worked up is that you are probably both guilty of this.
And to #10 - thank you for your support. :)

No...not because of that....you obviously don't have enough brains to realize why she chastised you.........

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately I am putting my money where your mouth is. I work on the books all my money goes to paying your food stamps,your section 8.

Poor thing...I feel so sorry for you...you see Hashem gives everyone what they need. You b'h got yours on the books...good for you..

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately I am putting my money where your mouth is. I work on the books all my money goes to paying your food stamps,your section 8.

You have bechira..........if your heart beats so badly out of jealousy...cuz that's what it is, whether you like it or not...you are not fargining them...no matter how it's earned...you still have to be happy with what you have..
You have a choice...you can go and become a musar...no one is stopping you.. And ...it wouldn't surprise me if you did....cuz it's people like you who desire to call 311...who have such a hard time seeing others with something you don't have. and want so badly........that's the problem.............!

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
CTJEW Says:

Unlike welfare, SNAP-the correct name for the program formerly known as food stamps is NOT asset based. You can legally own a million dollar home, a 50 thousand dollar car and fine clothing and jewelry, and if your husband is loses his job on Wall Street and the family income goes from 2 million dollars per year to nothing you will be eligible for food stamps. This is NOT stealing. You are not required to sell your assets in order to receive benfits. Unlike WELFARE, no lien is placed on your property in the amount of benefits received, and you are not expected/required to pay it back if things improve in the future.

There you go. Thanks for speaking to all those big mouths out here who hate their fellow brothers....what a shame...Talk about Moshiach coming anytime soon.....
The only reason someone talks that way is because he wants what others have..and can't have it.. Why else.......such righteous indignation...I'm sure every penny they earn or spend is done "exactly" according to halacha...bet my bottom dollar!

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:46 PM Facts1 Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

100%. You know the working community could only take so much. I have the nisayon every time i come into some heimishe neighborhood i really struggle with my yetzer hora not to call 311. How am I supposed to feel when i see young guys my age driving around in late model cars, fancy clothing, trips to EY, and I know their not working, I know they get sec 8, EBT, medicaid. At the same time I work hard but all on the books (so my tax dollars goes to pay yenems nissan murano). Rabosai its ken thompson and I think because of a few like minded individuals chane is a comin.

You would be paying anyhow, taxes never go down, they would be going to Egypt. otherwise.

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 Nov 20, 2013 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Anonymous Says:

This is the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations unit. I presume they're involved for at least one of two reasons:
some of the suspects are illegal immigrants
some of the proceeds are going abroad, perhaps to groups that are being monitored

Yeah yeah the usual, it's all about protecting us, the Russians were protecting us, the Chinese protect and the Koreans as well.

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 Nov 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM #14 Says:

Reply to #66  
Anonymous Says:

Really, there are many poor people around the their fellow yiden b'h have enough expenses to support so many people. That's why their is Gov't assistance, that's what it's made for. You have a choice to go with a cup in the streets and beg...if that's what you want...but our gov't has assistance for those in need and no shame to take if you need it...And you should stay out of the business of trying to judge others or tell them what to do...
Get a life.

If a yid is poor we other yidden have an obligation to give them Tzedaka. Letting Uncle Sam takeover with the programs is shirking our Obligation.

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 Nov 21, 2013 at 06:24 AM Excuse me? Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

You can pay out of pocket to see a doc. And maybe if they are that dire straights they shouldn't be having children until she can at least pay for a doc...

So if a person is in dire straits they should use birth control right? Is that the only thing u can come up with? Did you not see what I wrote? I wrote that they are "middle class" and if that makes someone in dire straights then every 3rd person in boro park would be too. What an insensitive comment. I have a medical issue which makes it difficult to do everyday tasks. So yes I do use birth control simply because I know what my capabilities are. However not everyone has a halachikly permissible reason to do that. Shame on you for being so callous

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 Nov 21, 2013 at 02:05 AM RebKlemson Says:

looks like most people here have discovered what needs to be done to survive in america. either be filthy rich or dirt poor. health care comes first and if you cant afford it, then quit your job and get it. and cash isnt as much of a problem. waiter in any busy restaurant and you'll make like 200 a day. the art of the chossid i call it. when the system collapses one day due to our foolish government, i'll still be covered and all you middle class people will be crushed.

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 Nov 21, 2013 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:

It's all about honesty and integrity. If you can work, you should work. If you can't for medical reasons then we have programs for you (and it better be a real medical issue, I know of someone who somehow can't work but can exercise, do sports, play on the computer... There are plenty of jobs they qualify for). But if you will take the welfare, WIC, SNAP- please check your budget. Can you scrimp/save/cut back in any way? Do you send your kids to sleep away camp? Do you go to the bungalows? (No matter how cheap, it is still 2 rents, plus transportation and many incidentals).

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 Nov 21, 2013 at 02:46 PM A Says:

Reply to #68  
How Food Stamps Should Work Says:

Food stamps should also work like the WIC program where the recipient can purchase specific healthy choices is specific proportions. There's no reason why the government should fund people's soda, nosh, chips, chocolate, ice cream, cake etc. It should require balanced healthy purchasing if it is on the government's dole. A certain amount towards produce, healthy carbohydrates, dairy, protein etc. They should hire nutritionists and doctors to revamp the system. This will also bring down the cost of healthcare associated with obesity. Have you seen how many very overweight or obese people are on food stamps?

I'll tell you why there are a lot of overweight people on food stamps. It's because healthy food costs considerably more than a box of pasta. You can buy a box of spaghetti for less than a dollar, it costs $3 for a head of lettuce and that lettuce won't fill your children's (or yours) stomach the way a bowl of spaghetti will. No one wants to have hunger pangs, even worse hearing their children cry of hunger.

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 Nov 21, 2013 at 02:59 PM c Says:

Reply to #71  
Anonymous Says:

We don't need to sue anyone...we just need to get you out of the way.....

Whats that supposed to mean? We aren't getting out of your way. You and your buddies who commit fraud are being arrested one by one and when your ilk is cleaned up and out of our communities, maybe we will see the geulah. Why

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 Nov 22, 2013 at 12:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #86  
c Says:

Whats that supposed to mean? We aren't getting out of your way. You and your buddies who commit fraud are being arrested one by one and when your ilk is cleaned up and out of our communities, maybe we will see the geulah. Why

So you are so sure "I" am commiting fraud? You don't even know me. I guess you did not get the jist of my post.
Let me ask you something....when you see your fellow brothers doing other aveiros, like talking during davening...or a myriad of other things that you consider wrong and know it's wrong, do you take a bullhorn and yell it out on the street so that everyone could hear it? Or do you go over to your friend and tell him that he is doing wrong. ....which according to the Torah is the way to do it. You have no right coming on to a public forum and accusing your own people of a crime....because in spite of the fact that some people don't always do the right thing, it is not YOUR obligation to give them mussar and scream it out to the whole world. I consider that Chillul Hashem. Now you will tell me that what they are doing is chillul hashem, well....go check with your Rabbi, and after that, we can talk.

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 Nov 22, 2013 at 12:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #86  
c Says:

Whats that supposed to mean? We aren't getting out of your way. You and your buddies who commit fraud are being arrested one by one and when your ilk is cleaned up and out of our communities, maybe we will see the geulah. Why

I don't always like everything I see....but I sure as hay don't come on a public place like VIN and advertise. Maybe you should think about that

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 Nov 22, 2013 at 12:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #86  
c Says:

Whats that supposed to mean? We aren't getting out of your way. You and your buddies who commit fraud are being arrested one by one and when your ilk is cleaned up and out of our communities, maybe we will see the geulah. Why

guidelines, but also pays the extra $500. That agreement is not only hidden from the federal govt, but the difference is usually in cash and not reported as income.

And you would know that.............how...Mr. c?(please don't answer me)
And 71 was more than right....Hashem gave us a mouth to Learn Torah, not to spread Loshon Hara...make a Chillul Hashem...and BTW...Loshon Hara :even if it's true....
Let me see...I'm sure you are one of those guys that enjoy seeing your own be beaten up...right?
Right.
And probably one who doesn't think twice about masering...
After all....they are the ilk of the community and you are the tzadik...squeaky clean.

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 Nov 22, 2013 at 01:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #86  
c Says:

Whats that supposed to mean? We aren't getting out of your way. You and your buddies who commit fraud are being arrested one by one and when your ilk is cleaned up and out of our communities, maybe we will see the geulah. Why

BTW...do you know the consequences for Loshon Hara, and Chillul Hashem? I'm sure not....
And this is not only for you, but for all those who come on a public forum and air the dirt on their own brothers and sisters....
Is everyone perfect, the answer is no............but neither are you. Go and make a cheshbon hanefesh before you come on here and open your mouth...
Sorry....there is no nicer way to say it...

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