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Brooklyn, NY - Shomrim: NY Post Account of 2010 Members Shooting Riddled with Lies

Published on: December 9, 2013 11:25 AM
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Shomrim coordinator Yanky Daskal in front of his home in Borough Park, Dec. 9, 2013 (Arya Rabinovitz/VINnews.com)Shomrim coordinator Yanky Daskal in front of his home in Borough Park, Dec. 9, 2013 (Arya Rabinovitz/VINnews.com)

Brooklyn, NY - The head of Borough Park’s Shomrim is disputing an account that ran in today’s New York Post, which accused Shomrim members of provoking an attack on a Brooklyn man which led to the shooting of four members of the citizens patrol group in 2010.

As previously reported on VIN News, 37 year old David Flores was acquitted last month of attempted murder and 14 other charges after the 2010 incident which sent four members of Shomrim to the hospital, convicted only on a single charge of illegal possession of a gun.

According to the New York Post story,  the first interview given by the defendant since the verdict was handed down on November 27th, Flores was driving to a Brooklyn bakery when his car was surrounded by an angry mob of approximately 20 Chasidic men, after a van stopped short in front of his vehicle in Borough Park. 

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The group allegedly banged on his windows, kicked his doors and shouted racial slurs, with one Shomrim member waving a gun at Flores.  As Flores, who claims he feared for his life, attempted to escape his car, he was grabbed and beaten and only then, according to Flores, did he began firing.

Nothing could be farther from the truth, according to Shomrim coordinator Yanky Daskal, who said that Flores, who has been arrested numerous times, had a history of exposing himself to children in the area.

“911 had already been called on him a week before,” Daskal told VIN News. “By the time police came he was long gone, but we had his description and a plate number.  When we got a call a week later that he was exposing himself to kids again, we called 911 and we followed his car.”

As Flores, who according to Daskal knew he was being followed, turned into 46th Street on September 2nd 2010, he was blocked by a vehicle that was trying to park.

“There was a hachnasas Sefer Torah and the Satmar Rebbe was there, it was a huge crowd,” recalled Daskal.  “We were on the street and we made sure not to approach him, touch him or say anything to him.”

After getting out of his car and seeing Shomrim members approaching on foot, Flores took a .22 caliber handgun out of his pocket.

“He shot one of our members in the stomach from quite a few feet away,” said Daskal.  “After that we jumped him.  He shot again and again, even shooting himself. We were just trying to get the gun away.  It was chaos.”

While the Post article quotes Flores as saying that Shomrim members mistook him for a Muslim because of his small woven cap and hurled racial epithets during the incident, Daskal categorized that statement as an outright lie.

“No one shouted any slurs,” said Daskal.

Flores did not testify in his trial but faces five to 15 years in prison on the illegal weapons charge.


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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:52 AM Yossi Says:

A guy here with numerous arrest record and carrying a illegal weapon and you want to believe him?

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:

If the NYP does not quote their "facts" from a source, it should be sued for slander. Maybe that will stop the flood of anti-Semitic articles and comments that have become the character of that paper.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Over the last 4 year's I had this following question, and I hope that finally someone will answer it! I never understood this Qhy does Mr. Daskal only say that Flores is a liar because "We Didn't Shout Any Slurs." Flores also said that they pointed a gun on him too. Why can't Mr. Daskal come say that this was a Lie too???

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

The jury couldn't say it more clear. Quote: while they do an amazing job keeping the community safe, "they're not cops."

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:04 PM yoyoyo Says:

I'm not so sure that he lied. He might be telling the truth. Our shomrim members are not that holy.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Yossi Says:

A guy here with numerous arrest record and carrying a illegal weapon and you want to believe him?

Your comment is not common sense. Just because somebody is a criminal doesn't mean he's a criminal on every word they say.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

If the NYP does not quote their "facts" from a source, it should be sued for slander. Maybe that will stop the flood of anti-Semitic articles and comments that have become the character of that paper.

What does FACTS mean? Only when there's a tape recorder on premises this means FACTS?

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:29 PM Anonymous Says:

The same news paper wrote on Mr. Weberman "pig" etc. way before the trial even begun.
The amendment "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" doesn't exist when the case is with a Hasidic Jew......
These things continue over and over again. Yesterday it was Weberman Today it is shomrim and tomorrow someone else. Wake up wake up wake up we're in gulis.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 01:13 PM Butterfly Says:

Who buys it? The only thing it could be good for is wrapping garbage! Not good for wrapping fish!! Why kill the trees???

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 01:22 PM Mark Levin Says:

To bad the brother wasnt eliminated and dumped in the trash someplace.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:42 PM Anonymous Says:

shomrim are the unsung heroes in our neighborhoods and should be gun holders. besides slanderous information, something just doesn't give with the NYP..giving a scum of the earth a platform to defend himself??? that is egregious!. yidden not protesting this crock of lies??? outrageous!. we need a frum al Sharpton in our midst
bh no fatalities on that day. may flores rot in hell

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

The same news paper wrote on Mr. Weberman "pig" etc. way before the trial even begun.
The amendment "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" doesn't exist when the case is with a Hasidic Jew......
These things continue over and over again. Yesterday it was Weberman Today it is shomrim and tomorrow someone else. Wake up wake up wake up we're in gulis.

Enough! Stop it already with Weberman by every crime. Where does Weberman come into the picture oover here? Maybe Start speaking everytime about the "Zionie." Bingaman Netanyahu. You're Such a nonsense person!

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 03:03 PM Ari N. Says:

Shomrim does a superb job at community patrol (without weapons), and deserves a medal of honor. Despite the fact that the NY post’s biased reporting has managed to lie and smear them at every juncture (Leiby Kletzky saga included). This has not held back these selfless volunteers from doing their job. Anyone familiar with Shomrim knows that they are an indispensable asset to the community, NYPD, and the city at large.

They should cut out this yellow journalism, back off our community, and stop taking cheap shots for a few political points!

The New York Post should retract this article in its entirety and issue an apology to the members of Shomrim!

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Shomrim should've file a lawsuit against the NY POST if he's so certain the 4 Members didn't shout any racial slurs.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 04:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Enough! Stop it already with Weberman by every crime. Where does Weberman come into the picture oover here? Maybe Start speaking everytime about the "Zionie." Bingaman Netanyahu. You're Such a nonsense person!

an innocent man (never proven guilty) is in jail, he and his family are suffering! No it's not enough!
קול דמי אחיך צועקים !

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 04:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

an innocent man (never proven guilty) is in jail, he and his family are suffering! No it's not enough!
קול דמי אחיך צועקים !

You may be right. But the place to debate on the Weberman verdict is not in this news.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 05:14 PM BP mom Says:

Reply to #5  
yoyoyo Says:

I'm not so sure that he lied. He might be telling the truth. Our shomrim members are not that holy.

I personally saw him exposing himself to the children on my block and called shomrim as well as a friend who lives on the next block to alert her when I saw him speed off in that direction. I cannot believe he was never charged with those crimes! Revolving justice at its worst

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 02:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Over the last 4 year's I had this following question, and I hope that finally someone will answer it! I never understood this Qhy does Mr. Daskal only say that Flores is a liar because "We Didn't Shout Any Slurs." Flores also said that they pointed a gun on him too. Why can't Mr. Daskal come say that this was a Lie too???

4 years you have this question?
This never came up in the trial or in any newspaper or police report. Flores just made up all these accusations when the Post interviewed him so my question to you is before you go bashing Shomrim can you tell us what your agenda is ?

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 05:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Enough! Stop it already with Weberman by every crime. Where does Weberman come into the picture oover here? Maybe Start speaking everytime about the "Zionie." Bingaman Netanyahu. You're Such a nonsense person!

An innocent man is in jail and you say it's enough how could you?? how?? No it's not enough!
Let's see if it would've been your father, grandfather, son, brother, how you would've react to such a comment as yours..... And FYI comment #8 refers to NYT bies against the hassidic community and he is totally right.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 07:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

An innocent man is in jail and you say it's enough how could you?? how?? No it's not enough!
Let's see if it would've been your father, grandfather, son, brother, how you would've react to such a comment as yours..... And FYI comment #8 refers to NYT bies against the hassidic community and he is totally right.

How can you say for 100% certain he's innocent??? Further more were u in the room with the closed door with him & his accuser where the therapy sessions took place??? If you weren't there then u really can't know to say he's innocent. At the other hand I never said that I know for sure that he's guilty. All I said the place to debate about weberman is not over Here.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 07:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Enough! Stop it already with Weberman by every crime. Where does Weberman come into the picture oover here? Maybe Start speaking everytime about the "Zionie." Bingaman Netanyahu. You're Such a nonsense person!

Enough? Are you for real?
A Jew was convicted and sentenced for something that was never proved NO evidence whatsoever and you have the chutzpah to say enough? What bothers you the truth? that bh not everyone is a self hating Jew like you SHAME ON YOU

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

You may be right. But the place to debate on the Weberman verdict is not in this news.

When someone is in pain he screams anywhere anytime it hurts to see a Jew getting a life sentence for something unproven, and btw it's not a debate it's screams from pain

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

an innocent man (never proven guilty) is in jail, he and his family are suffering! No it's not enough!
קול דמי אחיך צועקים !

Innocent man???you kidden me...no evidence....? Do you know what evidence is? I guess you were not watching the trial...just picked up your story in the mikva somewhere. First learn what evidence is in a trial..and then come spout your idiotic nonsense.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:58 PM thiinker Says:

1. Shomrim does an amazing job protecting us. Some of the members are scum bags and don't belong on the street, but most of them are OK.
2. This guy was willing to shoot anther person. He should go away for attempted murder, high might have a sickness of exposing himself. That's treatable. But once a killer always a killer. If he goes free now he'll come back and finish the job.
3. Weberman should be the topic at every post and at every table. Had it been your father or son you would not rest until his jail time is reduced. He probably did do all these nasty things to that girl. I would give him 1 year, two years, 3 years max. Buy the time he comes out he will be a nobody. 100 years is not a punishment, it execution. They are busing him in there. He's probably scared to leave his cell.

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 Dec 10, 2013 at 06:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Enough? Are you for real?
A Jew was convicted and sentenced for something that was never proved NO evidence whatsoever and you have the chutzpah to say enough? What bothers you the truth? that bh not everyone is a self hating Jew like you SHAME ON YOU

I'm commenter #12 and I deeply apologize to you and to others who found my comment offensive. Nevertheless I wanna indicate clearly 'I'm not a self-hateing Jew' in fact I'm 'proud' to be a Jew. Though I had no intention to hurt anyone while writing my comment I do see now that for some its a very touchy subject, he might be your relative or your close freind, or simply my comment was written in a manner that could be understood as offensive. I do deeply apologise to you and to anyone I may have caused any pain.

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 Dec 10, 2013 at 07:30 AM um...yeah Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Over the last 4 year's I had this following question, and I hope that finally someone will answer it! I never understood this Qhy does Mr. Daskal only say that Flores is a liar because "We Didn't Shout Any Slurs." Flores also said that they pointed a gun on him too. Why can't Mr. Daskal come say that this was a Lie too???

it's called "innocent until proven guilty".
he must be proven guilty, he does not need to prove his innocence.
it's the basis of US law. like it or leave it.
sorting out if it was Mr. Flores or Mr. Daskal that lied would not change the verdict.
Shomrim has no police powers under the law. Therefore, it is a conflict between 2 citizens. the case was decided accordingly.

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 Dec 10, 2013 at 12:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
thiinker Says:

1. Shomrim does an amazing job protecting us. Some of the members are scum bags and don't belong on the street, but most of them are OK.
2. This guy was willing to shoot anther person. He should go away for attempted murder, high might have a sickness of exposing himself. That's treatable. But once a killer always a killer. If he goes free now he'll come back and finish the job.
3. Weberman should be the topic at every post and at every table. Had it been your father or son you would not rest until his jail time is reduced. He probably did do all these nasty things to that girl. I would give him 1 year, two years, 3 years max. Buy the time he comes out he will be a nobody. 100 years is not a punishment, it execution. They are busing him in there. He's probably scared to leave his cell.

3 years for a rapist? What if it was your daughter? What if he wasn't a yid- would you still be singing the same tune?

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 Dec 10, 2013 at 06:16 PM hashemhearourplea Says:

I am not saying this guy is not wrong, however, Daskal has hurt many innocent people over the years and taken his power to a different level. He should be looked into as well. He should not be running shomrim. Shomrim should go after him.

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