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Atlit, Israel - Protests By Hareidim Continue Over Jailed Drafters (video)

Published on: December 9, 2013 11:05 AM
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Atlit, Israel - Hundreds of hareidi Jews gathered Monday in protest outside Kele Shesh, the military prison located in Atlit, to protest the imprisonment of two yeshiva students.

As reported by Israel National News (http://bit.ly/1iPJi2e) the students, both age 18, did not show up at the IDF’s Recruitment Bureau after having received summonses to report for duty.

The topic of hareidi enlistment is contentious subject in Israel. A currently debated law proposed by the Coalition would strengthen permissions on hareidim who avoid enlistment and the yeshivas where they study.

Yesh Atid stressed the importance of criminal sanctions that should be instituted against hareidi men who avoid service. Hareidi leaders say that Torah study takes precedence over serving in the army, and that grants that exempt full-time yeshiva students from service should be extended.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:49 AM Anonymous Says:

the Gaavad and the Toldos Aharon Rebbe wanted to visit but they wouldn't let

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:21 AM Longwave Says:

The Steipler Gaon was drafted into the Russian Army. He was smart enough to get out. Why didn't he go to jail instead of going into the army?
Yes, it was hard for him (he lost some of his hearing). But it was a Kiddush Hashem when the other people in the army saw how he conducted himself.

Too bad the current crop of Yeshiva students are too stupid to make a Kiddush Hashem in the IDF; rather, they would make a chillul Hashem by causing strife among Jews and throwing stones at other people who are sworn to defend them.

This is not a case where the government wants to destroy a Torah way of life. By letting the irreligious control the army, the chareidim are destroying the Torah way of life, themselves. If the chareidim were in the army, they could control so much more. Just look and see what is being lost because they decided not to be in the coalition.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:30 AM OpenMindedJew Says:

And I'll say it again: It's okay for them to steal from the Government but when things don't go their way they seem to throw a tantrum and make a chillul Hashem.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:32 AM A tic Says:

Ehrliche Torah yidden will go to jail rather than be exposed to the spiritual dangers of the IDF. The Israeli government will not break us down, rather it'll make us stronger and prouder to serve Hashem.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:

protesting in israel is worthless
אין חבוש מתיר עצמו מבית האסורים
Their must be a diaspora outcry coupled with legal action, perhaps in an international court, to bring these hardnecks to their senses.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:32 AM fellow-jew Says:

Of course they shouldn't enlist - only the 'secular' & ' tzonim' should. Why should good " fruma yidden" risk their lives to protect the country they live in and shed their blood to protect against the 25 million hostile neighbors. At while the secular & tzonim are at it please send the check to fund our way of life too.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:34 PM Anonymous Says:

very sad that these are our leaders. telling everyone to break the law is not leadership. they should be arrested and placed in jail. they can continue to learn the "Toyreh" in jail.
All these protesters are nothing but a bunch of leidigeiers. They dont work or learn; just take.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:38 PM DanielBarbaz Says:

Will someone please explain:

These Yidden claim that they are doing their share to protect Israel by learning. Their reasoning is that they learn Torah and, therefore, Hashem protects.

Why not apply the same attitude to demonstrations?

Rather than leave the Study Halls to demonstrate, why do they not apply themselves to their learning, and let Hashem protect them as a merit for their learning.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
A tic Says:

Ehrliche Torah yidden will go to jail rather than be exposed to the spiritual dangers of the IDF. The Israeli government will not break us down, rather it'll make us stronger and prouder to serve Hashem.

You have no idea what you are blabbing about.
There were no frum people at all that were in the IDF?
No chareidi ever went there and came out frum?
No one dovens there or puts on tfillin or is shomer shabbat?
The chareidim are so weak minded that they must be can't even walk down a street and keep their hands in their own pockets??

Your idea of 'serving' Hashen is crerating a chullul Hashem.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:51 PM jack-l Says:

Very few of us would be proud to see our children or family members in these pictures.
This is a trainwreck happening in slow motion . A national tragedy!
G-D help us.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
fellow-jew Says:

Of course they shouldn't enlist - only the 'secular' & ' tzonim' should. Why should good " fruma yidden" risk their lives to protect the country they live in and shed their blood to protect against the 25 million hostile neighbors. At while the secular & tzonim are at it please send the check to fund our way of life too.

most monies israelis disburse to cheridem comes from overseas grants for students, israel refused to accept the grants if the foriegn gov. choose to give for the chridem direct, that was proven when Rooney ran for congressman of NY and floated the above idea!

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 01:06 PM jack-l Says:

Reply to #4  
A tic Says:

Ehrliche Torah yidden will go to jail rather than be exposed to the spiritual dangers of the IDF. The Israeli government will not break us down, rather it'll make us stronger and prouder to serve Hashem.

U say `` It will might make u stronger and prouder `` i say stubborn and obstinate and foolhardy. and now go learn what Hashem really wants from every living jew.... every!

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 02:35 PM Tothepoint123 Says:

I am looking for your comments By the reports, every second day, that the מתנחלים went violent...

They should also be condemned, as well.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 02:45 PM Anonymous Says:

USA JEWS Wake Up! Send us in Some Millions Pidyon Shvuyim Gelt!!!
The Tragedy is Huge!!! Yidden Shmachtin it Tfisah!!! Hut Rachmunos!! B4 its too late.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

who is the younger rav speaking? you gotta love his acting.
speaks a perfect ivrit until he gets to the words torah and mitzvot.
then its TOIREH and MITVOIS.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 04:58 PM Longwave Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

most monies israelis disburse to cheridem comes from overseas grants for students, israel refused to accept the grants if the foriegn gov. choose to give for the chridem direct, that was proven when Rooney ran for congressman of NY and floated the above idea!

You have a source for this? Or are you making it up as you go along

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 06:13 PM Wise-Guy Says:

Reply to #2  
Longwave Says:

The Steipler Gaon was drafted into the Russian Army. He was smart enough to get out. Why didn't he go to jail instead of going into the army?
Yes, it was hard for him (he lost some of his hearing). But it was a Kiddush Hashem when the other people in the army saw how he conducted himself.

Too bad the current crop of Yeshiva students are too stupid to make a Kiddush Hashem in the IDF; rather, they would make a chillul Hashem by causing strife among Jews and throwing stones at other people who are sworn to defend them.

This is not a case where the government wants to destroy a Torah way of life. By letting the irreligious control the army, the chareidim are destroying the Torah way of life, themselves. If the chareidim were in the army, they could control so much more. Just look and see what is being lost because they decided not to be in the coalition.

That's not a good comparison.

In the Steipler's Z'L case they would have shot him if he didn't report for duty.
That's Pikuach Nefesh.

In Israel the worst danger is being locked up. Not being shot. (at least so far...)

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 08:19 PM Anonymous Says:

There are two ways to stop the draft I overheard chevra talking in shul this morning. One is that chareidi americans warn israel they will outvote politicians in ny and0 nj that fund them. And the second way is for rabbis in eretz yisroel urge all yeshiva draftees to work as spys for cia. They spend billions spying on israel. They won't trust another chareidi again just as they don't draft arabs because of trust.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 09:39 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

There are two ways to stop the draft I overheard chevra talking in shul this morning. One is that chareidi americans warn israel they will outvote politicians in ny and0 nj that fund them. And the second way is for rabbis in eretz yisroel urge all yeshiva draftees to work as spys for cia. They spend billions spying on israel. They won't trust another chareidi again just as they don't draft arabs because of trust.

There are two ways of stoping theese hassidim from protesting and go into the civil service to serve their country in some capacity,one is to tottally stop funding their lifestyle and two to beat the craP out of them to inbue some sence of duty.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to 19. What about beating the crap out of the secular meclal shabbosniks,pork eaters and tattooed bums in israel.

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 Dec 09, 2013 at 11:03 PM Anonymous Says:

First of all, they can stop funding all they want; a good portion of chareidim do not accept funding to begin with, so no harm done. Also, most chareidim/ MO/ observant Jews, don't have "crap"; so, they can beat all they want and nothing much will change. Two completely ineffective solutions.

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 Dec 10, 2013 at 01:49 PM To the wise guy Says:

Reply to #17  
Wise-Guy Says:

That's not a good comparison.

In the Steipler's Z'L case they would have shot him if he didn't report for duty.
That's Pikuach Nefesh.

In Israel the worst danger is being locked up. Not being shot. (at least so far...)

It is a very good comparison. The lives of Yidden are in danger every second in Israel. What would happen if you had 10,000 more chareidim that can handle a gun, carry it and use it to save a fellow Jew?
What about learning a trade in the army? They can now support their wives and families and leave the tzedaka rolls for those that are not able bodied and cannot work.
What would happen if 10,000 chareidim were in the army and set an example of a Torah Jew? Would the level of yiddishkeit in the army go up?

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 Dec 10, 2013 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Wise-Guy Says:

That's not a good comparison.

In the Steipler's Z'L case they would have shot him if he didn't report for duty.
That's Pikuach Nefesh.

In Israel the worst danger is being locked up. Not being shot. (at least so far...)

Look at the kiruv opportunities that exist in the jails?
Lubavitch are trying hard to get into the American army as chaplains. Now that a Lubavitch is jailed, this could be a great chance for him.

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