Brooklyn, NY – VIN News reported last week about the 16-year-old yeshiva student who was retrieved from Tranquility Bay, a boot camp-style behavior-modification center in the Caribbean where terrible abuses allegedly occur, but a crucial question still remains unanswered. What did Isaac Hersh do that led his parents to take the draconian step of shipping him off to a non-kosher facility in Jamaica?
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His father, Michael Hersh, has been vilified for his decision –– it may even have cost him his high-level position with the central organization of Hatzalah –– as has his principal rabbinic advisor, Harav Aharon Schechter, the rosh yeshiva of Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin in Brooklyn.
Zvi Gluck, a Queens nvestment banker who spends a significant amount of time on community affairs led the rescue mission to Jamaica last week that brought Isaac home.
“The only complaint that I have is that the people on the Hersh side didn’t do their homework on allowing a young, fragile boy to be sent to a place as horrific as ranquility Bay,”
which he said is used as an alternative to jail for some of the island nations. “Isaac told us that [some] of his fellow detainees were murders, rapists and drug dealers who were serving out their sentences in that facility.”
Joshua Ambush, an attorney in the Baltimore area who was hired to help get Isaac out of Tranquility Bay called it “criminal and sick” and “abuse by proxy” for a parent to knowingly send a child into a situation where he’s being abused.”[jewishstar]
Editors note. VIN News has interviewed a frum woman from Brooklyn, who we confirmed that as a teen was held in tranquility bay for a few years, the woman told us that whatever you read on the net about the harsh and abusive treatment in this camp, is more then 100% accurate. The woman told us emotionally of her own horrific experiences. this woman has been released of this camp a few years ago.
Check out Tranquility Bay’s 40+ page contract that parents have to sign before they send their kid there (It is on their website). That will give you a feel for what this place is all about and it will be obvious that the Hershes knew what they were getting into beforhand. After reading the contract ask yourself, Would anyone in their right mind send their kid to TBay?
I would like to point out regarding these overseas bootcamps: Who, precisely, “cares” for these troubled kids?
Ans: Local Jamacain high school drop-outs, usually aged 19-26, paid minimum wage, and who receive no special training whatsoever.
Is it a surprise that there’s rampant abuse?
Parents pay the programs tons of $. If the owners had to pay high-salaries to actual professionals, that would undermine their own profit margin.
Thus, these programs are nothing more than $-making schemes for the owners.
(How many full-time, on-site staff members are Phd’s, MDs, or even CSW’s?? At TB, I don’t think ANY.)
Isaac Hersh lved with a head of a kollel in Houston last year and attended the local modern Orthodox yeshiva High School. Both the foster parent and the principal have said that Isaac was a normal boy. Joshua Ambush is an Orthodox Jew, a yeshiva parent who davens at an Aguda shule.
With a few phone calls all this can be confirmed.
Well then anon 9:36 who seems to know it all. Mental illness is just that an illness. A choleh is not treated to harsh and unusual punishment, a choleh is treated with compassion and understanding. And if the parents came to the end of their capacity of compassion and understanding they should have taken “the patient” to the hospital where he could be treated for his illness under the proper supervision.
In the same way that they had him abducted and taken by force to Jamaica, he could have been forcibly installed in a treatment center where he would have undergone a mental and physical evaluation and been treated with dignity and respect. At least as provided by the the city, state and federal Health Department law enforcement codes.
Just as you defend the parents, and their wonderful job that they did, the child has a right to defense and he has rights that were denied him. Whether his defender is frum or not has nothing to do with it and matters little. If he were a goy the child would still be entitled to a defense of his G-d given and legal rights. Bringing that into the forum of discussion shows how small minded and how utterly uneducated you are in the field of the AT-RISK parsha.
The fact that his parents were able to raise 6 others and keep them under control is not an answer to why these boys have issues. Could it be that the family dynamic changed after these two were born?
Were there issues that cropped up after these two came on the scene? Maybe these parents were not equipped for the challenge of twins added on to an already large family. Was it too much for them to handle? Was there something else going on in the home?
Whoevever you are, ANON, who claims to know the whole truth, you ONLY know the truth from the perspective of the parents, but you don’t know the truth from the perspective of the child. And his truth, or rather the truth of both the boys from their perspective is quite a different story. This is not to say that the rumors that were spread about the family is true, they are what they are rumors. But whatever difficulty the boys went through in their childhood had an emotional or as you say mental affect on them, and it played itself out as they have grown.
There are thousands of cases similar to this one with B”H different results and outcomes. There are families with 10 kids and wonderful parents but one of them still goes off the derech and has the same rebellion that this child has. So without understanding the perspective of the boys, don’t be so quick to judge and lay blame at their feet either.
If you want to be fair to the entire family then understand that the more you defend the parents and say how wonderful they are, the more people in the know are going to defend the child and tell you straight out, that has nothing to do with the outcome of the case. What happened was wrong no matter what the child did. If the parents could not take care of him, there were others willing and capable of doing so without inflicting punishment on him, especially if he is as you claim, mentally ill.
anon
9:36
Good parents cant have a troubled son?? You better go brush up on your bible studies, my dear.
Ever heard of Yishmael ben Avraham avinu? How ’bout Eisav ben Yitzchok?
I tink your entire post was a bit ignorant and closed minded.
In this particular case we’re dealing with mental illness. That has absolutely nothing to do with upbringing. We’re talking about boys who have a completely warpt percpective of reality, and who are so troubles that theyd go to the extent of fabricating a story about their parents.
They had far from a traumatic childhood. We’re talking about loving, warm, dedicated, full time parents who managed to raise 6 other wonderful children.
These parents are silent- and rightfully so- because they have no interest in publicizing their childs problems. Why should they hafta defend themselves to a bunch of gossip thirsty strangers?
Id love to meet you if your such a perfect parent- Ive never yet met one. The Hersh’s do come close, tho.
anon at 11:20
Shloiach. How nice to hear from a yashrusdike person.
anon
11:22
Mr. Ambush is a lawyer in Baltimore who is not enforced by ANY rabbanim. Go find out for yourself. He doesnt even consider himself part of the Orthodox community.
Dunno ’bout you but I have a hard time buying things he says.
yidishe survivor…
please reffer to what I wrote at 9:21 yesterday.
flatbush yukel…
Thats right. I knew them then, too. Its not as simple as it sounds. These boys have been kicked out of at least 20 yeshivas. Go figure.
I have to agree with the poster who says that we have not heard the ‘other’ side of the story.We haven’t.
My son was in school with the kid and he was not easy as a 5 year old.
I don’t know the details, but before everyone jumps understand that sometimes kids can be impossible.Sometimes they are violent against themselves sometimes it’s geared towards others.
I’m witholding judgement till I know more
In this particular case the parents could not have been that desperate to do something because he was not living at home at the time of the abduction, He was living in Texas with R’ Aryeh Wolbe for 9 months.
There are many fine therapists in our community who are frum and are experienced in dealing with children who are acting out. The first thing a parent who cannot communicate with his child should do, is contact one of these therapists. Many of them have years of experience and can help parents and teens work out their problems.
9:36, while your points are well-taken, you have no guarantees that after doing everything correctly, your child will come out ok. I am definitely not suggesting boot camp, however, sometimes outside measures work most effectively, especially when the ones at home fail.
8:41, please clarify your last comment.
For all those defending Hersh and esp. the guy who quoted Horowitz- you people are trying to confuse the issue. There are two issues-1. was the kid a severe problem, 2. what to do about it. I tend to believe the Hersh side about the problem, but I don’t believe the solution. According to the frum lawyer Shea Ambush- T.B. is a concentration camp. The quote from Y. Horowitz is also being used to misconstrue the issue. Y. Horowitz said he doesn’t recommend boot camps. There are definetly people in the US that do and some say that they work. T.B. might be called a boot camp but I believe it is a prison, torture camp. The parents and others on their side might believe it is a boot camp, but that is no excuse to send their child there. They could have found out what Ambush found out if they looked hard enough. Putting this kid in this camp is S’phichas Domim even if they didn’t know what it was. A person has a din rodef even if he is b’shogeg. If you defend a rodef and help him -you get a part of his Aveirah!!
You are too quick to judge.
Has it occured to you that maybe TB was in lieu of a harsh court ordered punishment? If youre all so concerned about kids in TB why arent you tracking down Isaacs friend who came back from to report all these facts, and hanging his parents in public too??
The issues here are not about dabbling in drugs, failing in school, etc. This is severe psychological disorder, chemically imbalanced. These facilities are meant to completely break you down, and then build you back up again. That is what it takes, and in this given situation – the ends justify the means. For every one person who testifies how it ruined their life, you will find 3 who say it saved their life.
Youre all so quick to defend this guy, bash his parents, bash r’ shechter – but I garuntee, you would not be as quick to have him as a next door neighbor, babysitter, or a friend of your children.
His parents are wonderful people and committed parents. They are not speaking out, or defending themselves in order to protect him. They don’t see the value in hanging their sons dirty laundry out to the public – just to gain popular vote and get their reputations back.
To me, that’s amazing parents.
Most of you are too naive to comprehend what this child has done to deserve such treatment. You think the way a yiddishe parent can send their yiddishe kid to such a place is intolerable? Wait til it comes out why. That will be really “unbearable”.
Let these parents do their job and live their life. If you don’t have absolutely every single fact on this matter – its none of your business.
To clarify Rabbi O’s Yeshiva in Tsfas….
While the boys there may be dealing with different personal challenges, drugs are NOT the issue. This is not where the Yeshiva is today, although it was the situation a few years ago. As far as I know, Rabbi O does not accept boys with drug problems, even though he had remarkable success. But he’s still there for “his guys”.
I would definitely suggest contacting him if parents need a safe, secure, and encouraging atmosphere for their sons.
I think anyone that believes that Tranquility Bay is a valid option should check themselves into that facility first before sending anyone else there.
I would like to know how two wonderful parents produce a child that is so awful to necessitate this.
I would like to see a professional opinion on the upbringing of these “impossible” twins.
Did the parents nurture these children, or were they brought up mostly by a non Jewish maid?
Were they fed kosher formula or were they nursed?
Were their parents mentally healthy with a normal marriage throughout the twins childhood?
I fear for the safety of the other six “wonderful” children……..
There has to be more details to this story, and everyone would like to know what went wrong in order to prevent this. It is rare that “wonderful special loving warm parents” produce such an awful situation. Even the in the Torah, there never was a “Ben Sorer.”….and the Torah does not condone torture or abuse.
Who is mentally ill here? What is the excuse?
IN every generation there are people that leave the fold of orthodox Judaism, many because of abuse suffered, and others because of other problems.
A warm loving Torah true environment will produce children with love for Torah.
The parents are silent because obviously they have nothing to say. Silence is an admission of guilt.
Hashem Yerachem! We should have siyata dishmaya while we continue to love our children without any conditions. All the suffering children in our society need miracles. Why arent there more organizations to help prevent this from happening?
How about more help for distraught or depressed mothers?
More intervention at a young age for any abuse at all? Physical or emotional, this must end.
There are so many organizations, yet this continues to exist in alarming numbers.
A new organization is needed, solely to help the unfortunate children who are born to such parents.
And maybe with help, the parents can be effective.
I can see any high spirited child becoming impossible without the right chinuch, which requires loads of patience and strength.
But there is much help out there, many parenting workshops and books.
This should be required before during and after the birth of every child, for everyone. We can all improve our parenting skills, none of us were born knowing how to be the best parents we can be.
And each child needs a different approach.
I sincerely hope that Isaac finds a home that will be caring until he becomes an adult.
All we can do is daven that he finds his way back to true yiddishkeit and happiness despite his traumatic childhood.
Oh and poster #1 -
Im the same poster who just answered the foster family question.
Where on earth did you get that info from? He’s staying by his aunt? In Israel?
I must say, the Jewish world is so creative- theyve been able to put such a great story together.
Get ready, Steven Speilberg, we’ve got some talent…
Isaac is now staying in NY- in Flatbush by a very wellknown family- the Zakheims.
Nice try, tho.
Wow- what a breath of fresh air.
Finally a blog that’s yashrusdik. Yashar koach.
And to answer the question of a few posters…
“Why did they send him to a boot camp if he was happy in his foster home”?
I’ll try to stay away from loshon horah, but what the foster family is saying now is NOT THE EMES.
Im close with Hersh’s and Ive been following this story since waaay before it exploded.
I remember clearly that sometime last year the foster family called Mr. Hersh BEGGING him to take back their son. He threatened that if he doesnt come quick he’s sending him back to bklyn alone.
A short while b4 that the foster mother called up crying that he’s totally outa control and shes at her wits end with him. He also got kicked out of the school in Texas, which was school # 20 that didnt want him.
Now, suddenly, there’s an opportunity to become a macher, and to ride in a private plane, and to have his heroic name all over the internet… so the foster family found it convenient to change their story.
Had Mr. Hersh ever dreamt that such a scandal would occur he wudve recorded that conversation with foster daddy. What a shame he didnt.
I am quite familiar with Rabbi Orimlands (Rabbi O’s) program. As a certified drug counselor he has helped many kids who have gone over the edge. he can be found at any hour of the night getting kids out of jail for selling or using drugs or various other offenses. It is no coincidence that his place is in tzfas. over the years he has treated a number of kids who come from the most choshova families both litvish and chassidish and the parents are embarresed that eople should find out about their kids hanging around yerushalayim. In tsafas noone knows about them and he is able to nuture them in a warm friendly environment away from the rif raf. He does not preach about Lubavitch and in fact his home is a popular place for many yeshiva guys to hang out and chill out for a shabbos.I have met him numerous times in NY at former talmidims weddings and he keeps a strong kesher with many of them.
as far as Rav Schechter Any parent of Torah Vodaath that met at his home regarding a Rebbe that was abusive to kids knows how little about chinuch of children
anon,April 3, 2008 6:09 PM
I hope your not married and have no kids. You sound like a dangerous individual, that likes to control others.
Many of you are so focucused on Rav Schecyter and daas torah.
It seems that many gdolim-Daas Torah-fought hard to get the kids out. This should tell us what Daas Torah was in this case.
The big mitzva of Pidyon Svuyim was let by great leaders.
No point in siding with the other side. It is dangerous as it may lead other jews to chas veshalom to go to a place that has nothing jewish and full of things that remind us all of the 1940’s
I do not understand all the fuss. I think Reb Aharon Shechter and the parents had a brilliant idea here. It sounds like the kid has been straightened out after 9 months of detention. In fact I am now telling my own kids if they do not behave I will ship them off to boot camp. It is time to bring back strict parenting tactics like in the good old days. Your kid gives you lip,you beat him with a belt. The kid is stronger then you, send him to tranquility bay and put the fear of the lord and his parents into him. Enough of this fuzzy lovey dovey touchy feely new age parenting. Same thing with wife beating. Take a look at the Rambam.
To 3:23
There’s a fantastic yeshiva in Tsfas that caters to boys who have “challenges”. It’s run by Chabad (gasp!!) & my son is a SHLIACH/TEACHER there.
It does very good work…my son tells me how these boys are given love, respect, acceptance, support etc. There’s almost no pressure to “conform” just to observe certain requirements. The goal is to help the boys get back on track sei Yiddishkeit/Chassidishkeit & sei menchlechkeit (they really are very nice boys!!) This is achieved through positive reinforcements, lots of chizuk, farbrengens etc. My son loves it there & thinks these kids have great potential…he’s staying for the summer as a counselor in their camp.
Google Rabbi Orimland (Rabbi “O”)& you’ll probably get info.
Hi. I deeply involved in the case but I will quote Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz since his comment needs no explanation.
“With all the talk in the news about the unfortunate saga of Isaac Hersh, who is, according to media reports, in a ‘boot camp’ named Tranquility Bay in Jamaica, I have been inundated with emails asking for my comments on this incident. I will respectfully take a pass and reserve judgment on the sad story of this young man as I know nothing about the particulars. However, I hope I can be of some help in shedding light – and perspective – on the overall dynamics of alternative settings such as boot camps or wilderness programs.
What drives people to consider these settings is the fact that some teenagers are simply ‘out-of-control.’ They cannot or will not live within the rules and framework of society. They self-destruct; use drugs, engage in reckless and dangerous promiscuous activity, commit crimes against others (theft, violence, etc.), and often harm themselves (self-mutilation such as ‘cutting,’ even suicide attempts). Trying to raise a child who is going through a phase like this is sheer gehenom. With that in mind, if you have never spent all or part of a night with terrified parents of a child like this, wondering where he is, or even if he is still alive, please don’t be quick to pass judgment on them for considering any type of program or setting that offers some glimmer of hope for improvement.
The concept of alternative settings is for kids who cannot seem to live within the confines of society need a different type of structure in order to get their bearings and resume a productive life.
Wilderness programs, for example, can be very helpful. They get kids out into nature – away from the prying eyes of society. They place them in an environment where they can learn about self-sufficiency and teamwork, bond with peers and superiors in a productive setting, and enjoy the wonderful feeling of accomplishment that may have heretofore eluded them. Reaching the summit of a 4,000 foot mountain peak, or warming himself (herself) on a cool, starlit evening with a fire he made himself, is a magnificent feeling for a kid who never enjoyed applied physics, Shakespeare, or his school’s dress code.
Boot camps are an entirely different kettle of fish. Their entire raison d’être is about enforcing a set of predetermined rules – often with brute force – over kids. The danger there is that there is such a thin line between appropriate implementation of firm-but-reasonable rules in a setting such as ‘Basic Training’ in the Marines and a totalitarian boot camp where sadistic individuals crush whatever is left of the self-esteem of these kids and rule over them like petty dictators.
For this reason, over the years, I have never suggested a boot camp for any child that I have worked with, while I have made recommendations for wilderness programs. That is not to say that there are not effective boot camps, only that the concept itself frightens me.
Please note that wilderness and especially boot camp programs need to be run by or with the oversight of trained mental health professionals. If due to lack of training one confuses low self-esteem with defiance, clinical depression with ‘laziness,’ or the effects of sexual abuse (so many of these kids were abused. See The Monster Inside) with social awkwardness – he frankly should not be anywhere near kids who need a fresh start. And I have found many programs run by very decent, well-meaning individuals that fall under that category.
I have heard all the questions people are asking. How could Isaac’s parents send him to such a horrible program? How was this allowed to happen? Who advised them to do this? On and on. Well, these are all fair and valid questions. But before we sit in judgment over decisions made by desperate parents faced with few or no options, how about asking ourselves some questions in the comfort of our homes and offices? Here are just a few:What are we doing about the hundreds more nameless and faceless kids like Isaac in our community? We can pat ourselves on the back and blame his parents for sending him to Tranquility Bay, but what are we doing to squarely address the societal issues that increase the numbers of kids like him (and her)?
When in the world are we going to start ‘getting real’ and realize that if we do not start providing our children with safe, enjoyable recreation, we are courting with disaster? When are we going to realize that one-size-fits-all parenting/chinuch and the rejection of normal, ‘average’ kids from our mainstream school system (read this and weep) is swelling the ranks of kids like Isaac who are drifting and feeling rejected? When are we going to finally realize that the molesters and abusers in our community are rodfim and evil monsters (I don’t know if Isaac was molested, but my work with kids like him tells me that a huge percentage of them were) that must be reported, arrested, and l’maan Hashem locked up with the key thrown away? When are we going to stop our preoccupation with the red-herring non-issues that seem to grab our attention while the real issues of the day fester and remain unaddressed?
These are the real questions, my friends. And we are running out of time to finally answer them.”
You only know what you’ve read… and it’s one sided!! They have been sent to many different families and institutions. THEY WERE SENT BACK HOME B/C THEY ARE DANGEROUS and no one could deal with them. DO you think the parents said “I’m so tired of disciplining them when they don’t listen… Let’s find a place where they can be abused.” No. They consulted with legitimate authorities who knew THIS personal case and after many, many years and attempts at less intense methods, they decided to try and save their children by this means… but not without intense research. Asking people who went there and people who sent their own family members there. You think this list of abuse in the Bay is accurate? B/c it came from ONE mouth of someone who went there (b/c they had their own mental unbalances to begin with) and left the program in the middle – and returned still UNHINGED. Do your research – your own research. See if there is another side before you judge these people. They already won this case in Israel b/c they are good and the children – only the twins are troubled. The rest of the family, the other 5 or 6 – they are against all this madness. Their parents are wonderful and they are afraid of these twin siblings. Don’t destroy a family like this… This is exactly motze shem ra – it would only be Lashon Hara if it were true, so rest assured, G-d won’t punish you for spreading Lashon Hara. Only Motzei Shem Ra if you don’t try to help this FAMILY of parents and other children by protecting them from these boys.
I hope you look into this ON BOTH SIDES, not just the one that adds sheker fuel to your fire of saving the world.
This boy is a danger to himself and to his surroundings. His parents tried everything under the sun for him- and NOTHING WORKED. He is so far gone that this was their ONLY option.
Not only that, but TB itself is not at all what ppl are saying it is. Its known that people who dont complete the program there are very angry and messed up. Thats what landed them there in the first place. But Mr. and Mrs. Hersh have spoken to MANY people who grauated from TB and they say it has drastically changed their lives for the positive. The sickening things we’re hearing about it are false.
We’re not being fair to these parents. I know what they had to live with. Its not proper to publicize too much, but Ive seen one of the twins physically abusing his mother- she was panicked and humiliated.
The situation isnt so simple. We’re talking about psychological illness.
The boys are brilliant, manipulative and charismatic… but their story of abuse is fabricated. By them. In fact,Im so sure of the parents innocence that Im willing to go against the whole frum oilam- and testify in court.
Please encourage your readers to realize that there might be another side and they shuldnt believe e/t they see or hear without learning the facts.
The biting comments and accusations, the hate, the name calling… are making me sick to my stomach.
Why is klal yisrael so quick to jugde each other?
Im crying for my fellow Jews who are so quick to drink up this hot button gossip and destroy the name of a Torah family, rather than -at the least- be dan l’kaf z’chus.
Do you know how guilty we are of shfichas domim? We are killing the reputation of a Torahdik family.
99% of you DO NOT know the story and its a chutzpah to comment, let alone make the father out to be a rasha. Chas v’sholom!
And to involve the members of hatzalah? To harrass them like this? How low have we fallen? This is NOT l’shem shomayim. Theres too much chillul Hashem for it to have been lishmah.
Do you know that the mishmah calls someone who is m’vazeh talmidei chachamim an APIKORES? And there’s no chelek in Olam habbah for them.
People are being m’vazeh R’ Aaron Shechter- people who dont even reach his ankels in gadlus- in public forums all over the internet. Oy lonu!
We have a lot of t’shuva to do.
There is definitely another side to this story. There hasta be.
Michael Hersh, based on the many wonderful things weve heard about him, has a chazakah for being an ehrlich, straight man.
Please lets not be m’kabel this- its motzi shem ra.
“WILL ALL THE BLOGGERS DO SOME RESEARCH AND POST THE PHONE # OF A HEALTHY PLACE THAT A TEEN CAN BE SENT TO ( IF STAYING HOME IS NO LONGER A OPTION & THE “ASKANIM ” HAVE TRIED AND DONE WHAT THEY CAN
TO HELP”
one thing for sure don’t ask a Rabbi. Ask a professional.
That said, they probably made a bad choice and didn’t check the place out well enough….
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But how can Daas Torah make a mistake?
It doesn’t matter what the boy was doing!! Noone deserves to be sent to such a place, nonetheless, a yiddishe kind! (oh, and btw, he went there straight from his foster parents, who had no problems with him and were willing to keep him!!)
wilikes beere pa has a chabad yeshiva program for teens who cant go to reg school and chabad has a drug program in cali
I am very happy to hear that Zvi Gluck is following in the footsteps of his father.
Did anyone ever think of the fact —and no–I am not accusing Issac of anything but just talking in general when it comes to situations where everyone “thinks” they know it all…… isn’t it possible that parents may be “forced” into this because the child is either self-destructive or abusive to others. There are teens who unfortunately are abusive to others, there are even teen child molestors. Who knows,and I am NOT saying that Issac was a child molestor, but if he was, would you want his parents keeping him home and letting him near your kids.
That said, they probably made a bad choice and didn’t check the place out well enough but the fact that frum parents would send their child away to a not kosher place means they must have been very desperate!!!
David Irving ym”s also says that he just wants people to hear the other side of the story when he denies the existance of the gas chambers and the deaths of 6,000,000.
as a foster parent of a troubled teen I would like to know of a place to send a teen that is out of control. Is physically and verbally abusive. Is there such a place in a heimishe setting? does sucha thing exist? Obviously the situaion is widespread in our communiites. Where to turn?
The missing pieceS of the puzzle are WHY WERE THE BOYS LIVING IN FOSTER CARE IN TEXAS? Why did the parents lure him back to NY when the foster family was willing to keep them? Why did the parents run out of eretz yisroel when they were being investigated for child abuse? Why can’t they find one other rosh yeshiva to side with them?
Not true. RAS was asked to explain his position to many, many roshai yeshiva and I am 101% sure that if the father wants to write his side of the story the VINer Rebbeh will be glad to post it.
Sometimes there is no other side of the story.
Notice that along this whole episode there was only the story based on one side only no one has ever bothered asking and reporting here what the parents and rav shechters side of the story is as we are obviously missing a big piece of information which might be the missing pieces of the puzzle for this story making a lot of sense as to why he was sent there in the first place!!!
After all thr whole story I think that one part is still missing??
Reb aron Schecter is not a person off the street there is something the public dosent know
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We all heard of child abuse. What about parent abuse? Some 15 and 16 year old boys are so hard to handle that parents are “nebbech” forced to take such action.
After all thr whole story I think that one part is still missing??
Reb aron Schecter is not a person off the street there is something the public dosent know
Project YES under the supervision of Rabbi Yakov Horowitz
And no child should have such Tzaar Gidul Ovois….The pain is ENOURMOUS…..
how about we try something new in the jewish world…keeping quiet…unless they are directly involved, which most of us are not, we dont know anything,,we only know what we hear,,most of which is probobly not true…why dont we all just leave it up to the family, those directly involved and their rabbonim to deal with this issue…
every once and a while something comes out about all the horrible things that are happening to klal yisroel…hello!!! wake up my friend,,,why is all this happening????? obviously we are all doing something wrong…maybe if we all watched what came out of our mouths and dont talk about everyone and say so much lashon horah , hashem will stop punishing us!!
WILL ALL THE BLOGGERS DO SOME RESEARCH AND POST THE PHONE # OF A HEALTHY PLACE THAT A TEEN CAN BE SENT TO ( IF STAYING HOME IS NO LONGER A OPTION & THE “ASKANIM ” HAVE TRIED AND DONE WHAT THEY CAN
TO HELP
YEHI RATZON THAT NO PARENT SHOULD EVER HAVE SUCH “TZAAR GIDUL BANIM”
THE PAIN IS ENOURMOUS
Anonymous said…
Isaac Hirsch was taken to Israel and now lives with his aunt – physically faraway from the abuse he endured.
April 3, 2008 12:20 PM
And where exactly did you find that fact?
I don’t understand. Rav Shechter KNEW about this???? This is unthinkable. Is this what happens if you don’t follow all the new bans and kol korehs?? What are we becoming!!!
If Rav Shechter knew about this and allowed it to happen he should be removed right away!!
are you implying that the father’s rabbinic advisor, Harav Aharon Schechter, the rosh yeshiva of Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin in Brooklyn position is in danger?
Please explain.
Isaac Hirsch was taken to Israel and now lives with his aunt – physically faraway from the abuse he endured.