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Jerusalem - IT Security Expert Finds Loophole That Allows Scofflaw Haredi Smartphone Users To Be Detected

Published on: April 7, 2014 11:04 AM
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FILE - An ultra Orthodox Jewish man uses his cellular phone along a street in Bnei Brak, near Tel Aviv May 3, 2011.  ReutersFILE - An ultra Orthodox Jewish man uses his cellular phone along a street in Bnei Brak, near Tel Aviv May 3, 2011.  Reuters

Jerusalem - An IT security expert has found a security loophole in the Orange cellular phone system that allows for the detection of scofflaw Haredis who are using smartphones despite a prohibition within parts of the ultra-Orthodox community.

HAARETZ.com (http://bit.ly/1h7G2xb ) reports that according to Amitai Dan, as long as he has a phone number, the loophole allowed him to access the personal information on smartphone or mobile device’s user.

According to Dan, The Orange - portalXml Web Service permits anyone with access to conduct identity searches by phone numbers.

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Reps for Orange have remained tight-lipped about the subject, but have since restricted usage on the site to only those with a “special” usernames and logins.

The use of smartphones has been condemned by many leading ultra-Orthodox leaders, including Lithuanian Haredi Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, who in the past not only banned smartphone users from witnessing religious ceremonies, but at one point called for the burning of iPhones.



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 Apr 07, 2014 at 11:55 AM Gum-Zu-Lechumra Says:

Its about time they caught the scoundrels. Now they have to figure out how to get the prepaid cellphones that are destroying our commumity

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 01:13 PM Nobody Says:

So the only security problem about being able to identify people from random phone numbers is that Hareidim can be discovered to have one?

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 01:59 PM lazerx Says:

Although we are lead to believe that ALL of the rabonim asur the use of smartphones, it is not the case. There are plenty of rabbonim who don't want to get involved in mudslinging and don't want their names public yet they say if you need one it is ok.

It is the newspapers and special interest groups that want to forbid the smartphones. So anyone who doesn't agree with them is a 'ba'al averia' and any rav who disagrees is considered not chashuv and his da'at is butil.

but as one rav said, it is not the device that is asur (the chafitz) rather what the person does with it (the gavrah) who can use it for issur or mutar.

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 03:10 PM The_Truth Says:

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Nobody Says:

So the only security problem about being able to identify people from random phone numbers is that Hareidim can be discovered to have one?

There are larger security concerns, but why would the chiloni newspapers make a big deal about it when they can bash the hareidim?!

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 03:43 PM BarryLS1 Says:

This is almost as nuts as the kosher for Pesach Enema ad I saw yesterday. Does anyone have any seichel anymore. Forget self control, I guess that no longer is required. Just assur everything. What's next, breathing?

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 03:00 PM Mellie Says:

Frankly, I don't understand the assuring of smartphones by some rabbis. Personally, I was showing my smartphone to an elderly person who didn't know what it was - and realized that almost all of my usage were Jewish apps, including this one. For example, I have both a siddur and tehillim, a Megillas Esther, the Chanuka brachas, two kosher GPS apps, which include the location of kosher restaurants, shuls, mikvahs, and lists of hashgachas. I have Jewish music on my radio app. Also: an OK vegetable guide....how to wash veggies and fruits. Shabbos times, including the weekly parshah. I have the entire Tenach, which is SUNG. KOTEL video in real time, including the ability to put messages in the Wall. The Omer app. Pirkei Avos. Searching for chometz app. Various Jewish newspapers.
My husband has an iPad with the entire Gemorrah, which he uses for learning during the week, instead of shlepping heavy tomes.
In addition, I have practical apps, like my bank app, the navigation so I dont get lost, a tracker for my husband and children so I don't worry where they are, not to mention the phone and email. The alarm clock. Camera....one no longer needs a camera. A calculator. A note pad. Reminders. The calendar. A compass so I can tell which direction to daven. Also weather apps.
These are helpful and useful.
I just don't see the problem. If someone intends to do some aveiras, they are going to do them regardless of using smartphones. Just IMO.

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 04:36 PM savtat Says:

Technologies evolve and we need self control and seichel to use them properly. If someone is looking for trouble, he only has to use his imagination.

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 05:09 PM posaikacharon Says:

Reply to #3  
lazerx Says:

Although we are lead to believe that ALL of the rabonim asur the use of smartphones, it is not the case. There are plenty of rabbonim who don't want to get involved in mudslinging and don't want their names public yet they say if you need one it is ok.

It is the newspapers and special interest groups that want to forbid the smartphones. So anyone who doesn't agree with them is a 'ba'al averia' and any rav who disagrees is considered not chashuv and his da'at is butil.

but as one rav said, it is not the device that is asur (the chafitz) rather what the person does with it (the gavrah) who can use it for issur or mutar.

it IS the device. (notice the word vice in there?) nooobody can keep his thoughts pure in a house of harlots. period. an unfiltered smartphone is not much different. the rabonim screaming about this know firsthand the havoc it wreaks on families.

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 06:18 PM c Says:

Reply to #5  
BarryLS1 Says:

This is almost as nuts as the kosher for Pesach Enema ad I saw yesterday. Does anyone have any seichel anymore. Forget self control, I guess that no longer is required. Just assur everything. What's next, breathing?

No there is no seichel. These people are sick and twisted and do not represent normative Judaism or authentic Torah values.

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 09:47 PM TexasJew Says:

Just because a store sells non kosher food doesn't mean I can't go in and get my kosher food. Same with the smart phone.
Wake up Rabbi Chumra. We live in the 21st century. We finally have devices that helps make life a little simpler.

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 Apr 07, 2014 at 10:37 PM charliehall Says:

This is another example of the charedim surrendering to the modern. Rabbi Shlomo Aviner responds to shilas by SMS text message, and even publishes the responsa online! The charedim will lose the battle for the hearts and minds of Jews as they become more and more irrelevant.

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 Apr 08, 2014 at 01:19 AM Mark Levin Says:

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charliehall Says:

This is another example of the charedim surrendering to the modern. Rabbi Shlomo Aviner responds to shilas by SMS text message, and even publishes the responsa online! The charedim will lose the battle for the hearts and minds of Jews as they become more and more irrelevant.

sorry charlatan but if i had to take a guess which group of our people would be here in fifteen or twenty years i would say the shomer torah umitzvos. Ben Gurion ym'sh thought his agreement with the rabonim would last only about 2 generations because there would be no more frum people. I guess he's looking up from hell along with all the rest of inzer sonim trying to figure out where he want wrong.

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