Brooklyn, NY – Signs in the Crown Heights area of Brooklyn have been showing up asking citizens to “show some respect” and dress moderately, stating that the area is a Jewish community.
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Pix 11 News reports (http://bit.ly/1uAuuKA) some agree with the signs, while others are offended.
“A woman should cover up, she doesn’t have to display what she’s got,” one rabbi told the news site.
Orthodox resident Elisheva Schwartz says the signs offend her, and that the diversity of Brooklyn is what makes it so great.
Information taken from Pix 11 news.
Total chutzpa to do this in a mixed area. Massive chillul Hashem….
The big issue is not the visitors in CH it’s the Jewish women unfortunately.
99.9% of New Yorkers don’t dress like Lubavitchers. To think that signs are going to change their minds is a little naïve. This is the world we live in.
One of the local news websites carried the story a few days ago and was deluged with negative comments.
These signs are very important in Crown Heights, more so than other frum neighborhoods. Hamaevin yovin!
This is long overdue…
Kol hakavod to the people behind these signs, dont be intimidated by anyone, crown hights still has a long way to go in the inyan of tznius…
tznius has been on decline since the passing of the rabbi, and it is about time that a few good people get together and make the community aware of its importance…
Don’t see the big deal here. Yes they believe in modesty so they put up signs. Are they forcing anyone? No. Can you ignore them? Yes. It’s like any other place that someone puts up a sign. If you can put up a sign saying you buy houses for cash, you can put up a sign saying please free modestly.
First of all –this is a chilul Hashem–what right do you have to impose your mode of dress to the rest of the world. And for that matter, from weddings and bar mitzvahs that I have gone to in Crown Heights (I have lots of Lubavitcher friends and a Lubavticher daughter in law), modesty starts at home. The way I see their own dressed, leaves me to wonder even more at the chutzpah of the signs. Shame on whomever put them up. Probably some lonesome soul who had nothing better to do.
This Is As ABSURD As Posting a Sign Telling People To WEAR BURQAS In The Neighborhood! YOU DON’T OWN IT>>>>>>>
If Eliaheva Schwartz read the sign instead of tearing it down – as is her constitutional right – she might have seen that it was ASKING not demanding. Quite possibly the signs are directed at women like her (as how she was dressed in the videao) and not so much to the “outsiders”. She might also like to remember that the makeup of a Jewish women’s DNA is one of Tznius. Maybe just maybe if the “outsiders” see that the Jewish women dress with dignity themselves, then they would feel that respect for Jewish lifestyles would be warranted.
Shmaria is going to have a field day with this.
something is wrong with our frum men. stop paying attention to women walking in the street. do those shiksas excite our men? shame on you
So stupid and and American. What would they say if any signs in other neighborhood would state to take off a hat or Yarmulke or waer a hed skarf (muslim) due to that neighborhood religious or other believes
2, 5, 6, I would imagine you are aware that you just spoke Loshon Haha about yidden. I’m not sure how you ask mechilah or do teshuvah for that, but you should probably find out.
The modestly of the Jewish residents of CH has what do be desired.
To all who are defending this. Next time when a Jewish person is yelled upon etc don’t blame the the guy for antisemitism. Freedom of speech goes 2 ways. If you don’t respect your neighbors way of life then it will bite you back.
I don’t know why you guys are complaining! Why does fancy restaurants, night clubs and bowling clubs allowed to hang signs about dress code and not a Jewish store. Doesn’t say on sign that he will throw you out! Night clubs actually don’t let you in if you don’t have a button down shirt(some times)
I’m not saying its right hanging up signs
But I’m not shocked that it happened
whenever I go to crown hights its as if I’m in downtown Manhattan
I’m sure this was not part of the rebbes shlichos
we all know that the people of crown hightail do a lot of good more then any other Jewish community you still have to dress like a Jew not a shiksa
I don’t think it’s a Chillul Hashem – maybe the sign though should have said Jewish women, as an African American does not need to abide by this. I see otherwise norhing wrong with these signs, as long as it would be addressed to the Jewish community. It’s about time! I am rarely in Crown Heights, but OMG, when I go, I have seen woman so immodestly dressed, so shocking. Even someone I know in Boro Park, who is not Chassidish, just regular frum told me one day, that he thought some of the women dressed like prostitutes. Oh, no, I would never say that, Just that it is not uncommon it seems to see women dressed with lower neck lines, skirts above their knees, elbows uncovered, and not wearing socks. (I am a Jewish woman in Boro Park, who is not Chassidish, regular frum, who dresses modestly. Not a big problem in Boro Park but a big problem in Crown Heights.)
Modesty is clearly important, but to ask numbers in the public to walk your way is atrocious when the simple are felt to be grievous. I would think this backfires. You will not always have modesty signs all over the place and it makes it seem like you are poverty conscious. Hope the vision for Israel gets better.
And all u bashers thought this can only happen in KJ!
Lol – Crown Heights needs this for their own Lubavitcher women, not anyone else lol
The Frum residents themselves are the ones who should take heed. Anyone walking thru crown heights will be shocked at the pritzus and the low level of Tznius that is now considered acceptable there.
‘diversity makes it great’ so going half naked( diversity) makes it great? yeah, very logical
“Orthodox resident Elisheva Schwartz says the signs offend her, and that the diversity of Brooklyn is what makes it so great.”
What would you want to bet that she is an ORINO? (Yes, it stands for orthodox in name only. Yes, I just made it up.) Needless to say, a bas Yisroel would never say something like this to a goyisher reporter, much less ever allow herself to be filmed for a video.
Most people here seem to be missing the point entirely. The immodest clothing problem is not among the shiksas! No one expects them to dress properly. It’s among unzerer in Crown Heights, worse than in any other neighborhood I’ve noticed! Just take a drive thru if you haven’t seen it.
Our men need to look straight ahead and stop foaming at the mouth every time they see an elbow or ankle. They are getting sicker by the month.
to Yidineh, #28 , others from this discussion and many other discussions
I have wanted to say this for a long time and now seems as good a time as ever.
To all those that say “I can dress how I want, they shouldn’t be looking”. Well guess what I sometimes can’t help myself. That’s right I can’t help myself. Do u know why? Because I am human, and this taivah was given to men by the RBS”O. My job as a ben Torah is to control and contain this desire. I can’t eradicate it, well, cause if I do I wouldn’t be human would I? I would be a malach. Do you know how hard it is not to look at a really pretty woman, whose skirt is barely below her waist, and whose neckline plummets to reveal just enough to be left to the imagination? Whose clothes are so see-thru or tight that I really dont need imagination. Would u send your husbands or sons to a strip club and tell them not to look. How can I compare this to a strip club? Have you seen what goes on in Manhattan and Dwntwn Bklyn? It might as well be a strip club. I go thru this “nisoyon” nearly every day. So my dear sisters where is your caring for your brother? Where is your “kol Yisroel areivim”? Lets not even discuss the lav of “Lo seetein”?
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Do you even have any idea of the basic physiology of a man? How can you dress provocatively knowing what you might be doing to your brother? Chazal understood what these things do and set minimum guidelines on what is allowed, and what is not allowed. My dear sisters you are SELFISH!! That’s right I said selfish. You dress the way you do for yourself, not caring what you are doing to the KLAL.
Obviously…..
And to Yedineh – in case you missed the long answer above. The short answer to your question is simply – Yes
Someone made a few posters with a color printer. This does not seem like news to me. Call me when some organization starts putting up official-looking metal signs on the lampposts.