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San Francisco, CA - Radio Talk Show Michael Savage: 'Hitler' Never Powerful, If Jews Had Guns |
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Mr. savage who’s radio show is broadcasted daily to more than 10 million listeners said “the historic U.S supreme court decision that Americans have the right to own guns, Mr. savage said, “ imagine if that right would have been given for every Jew in Germany, the entire holocaust could have been prevented”
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Jun 27, 2008 at 10:43 AM enough Says:
although i dont belive in guns the man has a 100% true point
as on every topic he tells you what is true not what is easy on the ear
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Jun 27, 2008 at 10:47 AM 10.47 Says:
Doesn't offend me. He's just making a point about self defense. Perhaps not the best of examples, but he's not being offensive. Sounds like news stations are trolling for stories if Savage is coming up. Snore.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 10:49 AM savage's #1 fan Says:
he is a great talk show host' by the way he's got more than 10 million listeners just listen to him on wor 710 at 6 pm daily he's also defending our community dayly , he's pro family pro religion , against fanatics and 'civil unions', he needs our support. and if anybody wishes to critizise him listen to his shows first and then do so
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Jun 27, 2008 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:
Michael is one of the loveliest talk show hosts in the country. I think he is exaggerating, because no amount of guns in the hands of civilians, especially Jews, can stand up against an organized army. Hashem yerachem.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 10:54 AM yu Says:
Guns aheen guns aher. DER GUT feert der velt nisht biksin un nisht bumbes
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM Shloimy Says:
Savage's show was never my cup of tea.
My only response to his latest remark is that the terrible Churban that took place in Europe could only have happened if it was the ratzon HaShem. If the ratzon HaShem was to prevent it from happening, it would have been prevented, guns or no guns.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:06 AM JDL Says:
EVERY JEW A 22!!!!
The world is out to extinqush JEWS, stand up, learn to fight, aim to kill. The years of passive behaviour is over, we are strong in spirit, mind and body..
We can only overcome with hashems help, there is no mitzvah to stand by and watch others shed our blood.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM Nut Says:
yu Says. you are right Hashem Firt Di Velt, but Michael as a non Frum jew makes a good point. I give him credit, i listen to him on a daily basis, I love his remarks agains the towl heads and so on. go Michael go
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:
The holocust was a send by hakodesh buruch hu, and nothing would have helped.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM truth Says:
you took his words out of context he said that the supreme court justices that voted down the 2nd amendment are not libirals they are facist just like hitler and castro and mussalini they took away guns first if every jew had a gun and killed the gestopo people that came to [pick them up hitler woul=d have quickly changed his yidden plan
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:16 AM Anonymous Says:
A WORD TO THE WISE ITS SAID OVER BESHAYM THE IMRE EMES OF GUR
HOW COME CHURBON EUROPE DIDNT REACH THE MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES(SFARDIM)AND HE SAID PART OF THE EXPLAINATION IS BECAUSE THEY HAD AND CONTINUE TO HAVE KOVOD BAIS HAKNESSES WHICH IS UNPARRELED IN ASHKANAZI COMMUNITIES
IN OUR DAY AND AGE UNFORTUNATLEY ONE CAN WALK INTO A SHUL TO DAVEN AND HEAR ALL SORTS OF CELL PHONE RINGS IN MIDDLE OF SHMONE ESRI ETC THE CHILLUL HASHEM HAS REACHED A POINT BEYOND THE PALE IF ONE CAN WALK IN SUPPOSEDLY TO COMMUNICATE WITH HASHEM YET IS OPEN TO BE CALLED AWAY IN MIDDLE WOULD ONE WALK INTO A PRESIDENT WITH HIS CELL PHONE ON WOULD ONE WALK INTO A REBBE WITH HIS CELL PHONE ON LOOK HOW LOW WE HAVE SUNK. LEST WE BE REMINDED FROM ABOVE WE SHOULD BAN CELL PHONES FROM BATE MEDRASH AS WELL AS MOKOMOS HATFILA
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM Anonymous Says:
Yes the churban of the holocoust was sent to us from Hakaosh Baruch Hu, however, like in all things we have choices and we have to do our hishtadlus, yes if Jews had guns maybe it would have been different. Let us take a lesson and yes i agree every Jew a 22.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:18 AM deepthinker Says:
His heart is in the right place!
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:25 AM yotz kop Says:
he is the best . even though he is jewish its the GOYESHA KOOK
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM Has A point Says:
Yes he has a point. I do not think the churban in europe would not have been, but yes! it would have been much harder for the germans. They would have to plan differenty and the yidden wouldnt have gon like sheep to the slaughter and Yes! Yes! Much Less Yidden would have been killed.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM Anonymous Says:
For me a main source of pride in the estabishment of the State of Israel is that Jews as a result are positioned to self protect because military might is in Jewish hands. However, whether in Israel or American Jewish leadership loyal to Jews and Jewish interests using our "saichel" for ourselves, those suffering from Stockholm Syndrome (as in identifying with enemies of the Jewish people and silent over Jewish concerns) healing and relinquishing the social workers of the world role at Jewish expense priorities is a first essential.
Our Kings in Biblical times Israel knew the value of a strong military and used it to defend Israel. However, they wore little torah scrolls attached to their arms at all times to keep in mind the true source of our strengh and our people's contract with HaShem and HaShem with us. Lest we forget!
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM Anonymous Says:
My father-in-law, who survived Aushwitz, told me they had 100 men armed with machine guns guarding 150 prisoners.
Anyone that wasn't there, hasn't got a clue, and to claim that they could have fought back, is ignorant and disrespectful to all those who were murdered.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM anonymous@vosizneias.com Says:
it was min hashamaim
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Jun 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM Shloimy Says:
Please, Has-A-Point, do not use the phrase "like sheep to the slaughter" to refer to the kedoshim that were murdered by the Nazis.
That type of talk is arrogant and condescending to the neshomas of the holy kedoshim, as it implies a sort of criticism to their "passive" behavior. We in our time and place have no right to cast judgment on the way anyone reacted to the unspeakable crimes of the Nazis yemach shimom.
You probably did not mean it that way, but the phrase should be discarded by everyone regardless, if used in this context.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 12:17 PM A little truth Says:
There were gedolim that told there followers to fight, join partisens etc Habo lhargo.....
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Jun 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM Has A point Says:
Dear Shioimy says, You are right! I didnt mean it that way but I repeat- if yidden would have been armed more or less, the nazis y"m would have acted alittle diferently.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 12:28 PM Anonymous Says:
Of course the Holocaust was min Hashamayim, but like a previous poster said, we have choices, and there is no mitzvah to sit by idly and watch our brethren be killed.
Look at history. During the Warsaw ghetto uprising, when only a fraction of starving Jews remained, possessing mostly improvised weapons, they were able to temporarily halt deportations and fend off Germans for almost a month! Imagine if all the original approx. 400,000 ghetto residents had brought along a proper weapon and begun resisting when they were still relatively strong and healthy. Yes, Hashem brought the churban, but His Torah allows for self-defense.
Many stories of families who survived almost intact have one thing in common: they had the foresight to understand the devastation about to come, AND DO STH ABOUT IT (like arranging for visas when it was still possible)!
Another fascinating piece of history hardly mentioned in frum circles is the story of the Bielski partisans. The Bielski brothers originally planned to fight the Germans and try to survive, but as people came to them for help and protection, they formed an entire community in the middle of a huge forest. They organized armed groups to raid nearby farms for food, all while continuing their resistance activities. By the time the area was liberated, their "community" consisted of about 1200 yidden - all who survived bc of their bravery. (There are two books available about the Bielski brothers for those interested.)
There are many other examples, such as the Sobibor death camp uprising, but in our circles these stories are often ignored. I personally know several heimishe ppl who own guns, or have at least learned to use one, though they don't talk about it openly. When tragedy strikes, it is too late for that.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:
To Anon 11:16 - the first step towards kovod bais kanesses is getting the schnorrers out of shul - the fact that a chazan can't even daven like a mentch without being distrubed is simply disgusting.
Why should we treat the shul like a mikdash me'at if there are shnorrers running around constantly disturbing us? Were there shnorrers running around the azara in the bais hamikdosh? I think not.
Don't get me wrong, I think tzedaka is tremendously important. But there are ways to give without being mezalzel the kedushas bais haknesses. Let them stand in the halls or on the porch.
If we can daven like mentchen without constantly being distubred, that would be a first step (one of many, without question) towards bringing back the consciousness of the sanctity of shul.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 12:57 PM Yitzchak Says:
He has a point because though we need to do whatever we can spiritually to cancel a gzeira, we also have an obligation to protect ourselves physically.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 01:01 PM Milberger Says:
And if Africans had weapons they would have prevented slavery. Wait a minute...they had weapons. Only their captors had more and better ones. Nu, give everyone a gun and along comes your enemy with an A-bomb.
Mr. Savage is well named; he manages still to think like one.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:
we are living anb illussion hashem yerachem rav elyashev shhlita has said "he lived thru the first 2nd world war all the israeli wars and there hasnt been such a sakono situation as bad as now for klall yisroel (this was repeated by rav shmuel kamentsky) at harav henoch leibowits levaya
we feel safe here in the USA but things can change very quickly
the jews in europe felt safe their as well for 100's of years of course they had their tzoros but it was isolated not complete countries and not for such a lengthy period from 39-45
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Jun 27, 2008 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:
Regarding JDL's comment "Every Jew a 22",
I once heard that Reb Shlome z"l of Bobov heard the JDL protesting in BP (after a yid was killed) and they were screaming "every Jew a 22". He said "Every Jew a 26" (yid heh vuv heh)
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Jun 27, 2008 at 01:47 PM Anyother Says:
You stupid Americans.
Do you think that the Israelis who have guns are now safe?
Do you think that the tehare Yidden from the shtetel in pre-war Europe even had the remotest desire to own and use a gun?
Any frum Yid should not be trying to learn lessons in having NO Emuna from a radio show host.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 01:47 PM honestlyfrum Says:
I hears what Savage said when he made the comment. His point was that the first thing that Hitler did when he came to power was take away the people's guns and had they had them they may have been better able to protect themselves. Therefore we should see yesterday's ruling as a victory against the Left who want to confescate our weppons and let radical islamist run free in the Streets. Given that he is not fum I am not sure why some of the people commenting would expect him to say that the Holocaust came from G-d. Makes logical sence that if you take away someones gun they will have a harder time protecting themselves when someone comes to do them harm.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:
i want to see the shomrim with guns
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Jun 27, 2008 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:
WHILE I AGREE THAT HE IS A GOOD TALK SHOW HOST, NOBODY COULD DO ANYTHING TO US UNLESS OUR SWEET FATHER IN HEAVEN WANTS IT SHOULD HAPPEN.IF ANYBODY THINKS THAT BECAUSE THE MEDINA ISRAEL HAS THE GUNS AND TANKS THAT IT IS KEEPING THE JEWS SAFE??? THEY ARE MISTAKEN BIG TIME. LEARNING TORAH, PRAYING, CHESED. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HELP. WHEN ONE WANTS TO KEEP A BOX FROM FALLING APART ONE MAY USE EXTRA STRONG TAPE AROUND THE BOX. CHESED MY DEAR FRIENDS IS THE EXTRA SECURITY THAT WILL HELP US, NOT GUNS.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 02:04 PM Anonymous Says:
I also heard the show...I listen every day. I agree with honestlyfrum. If people didn't hear the actual segment, don't comment because you missed out on the tone, context, general topic & his views. It all makes a big difference to interpretation.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 02:05 PM Anonymous Says:
PS I did think of every Jew a .22 while I was listening to the show. Here in Crown Heights it's a good idea :)
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Jun 27, 2008 at 02:23 PM Anonymous Says:
Meichel Weiner (his real Jewish name) is totaly WRONG! look what happened in Warsaw even with the uprising, of course more Jews would have been saved, but millions would still not be, how many Jews in America today have guns, every family? nonsense
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Jun 27, 2008 at 02:28 PM Anonymous Says:
Why do you all think he's a Yid? He has specifically said on the show time and again that he's Christian.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 02:36 PM Yosef Says:
I heard the show myself and think he was dead right Mederech HaTeva. What he said was that if every time the SS knocked on a door in the mid thirties when they were starting the roundups the whould have faced gunfire thinks wouldn't have spiraled out of control and into Hitler's control Al Pi Derech Hatevah he is right and therefore there is no reason to be offended by his comments.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 03:00 PM Zoltan Says:
Milberger Says:
Milberger, I think you have a point, but I would only say that Savage is a little aggressive at times but thats his act, I have friends who have met Mr Weiner and they say he is a very charming fellow in person.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:
way to go savage
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Jun 27, 2008 at 03:08 PM Yankel Says:
Warsaw uprising was a little late in coming. Had they started at least a year earlier they would of had more followers and more ammunition. Apparently the Ratzon Hashem was otherwise.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 03:56 PM Anonymous Says:
After listening to so many Jews who truly believe if Jews had guns it would not have mattered... Tell that to my father who had a Polish 9mm Radom pistol killing 7 Nazis and excaping certain death. I beg those Jews who believe Israel would be better off if Jews had no guns to please, I ask this to Hashem to go Gaza wearing their Kipas and telling the Arab Palestians they love them... The Jewish people would be btter off without them...
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Jun 27, 2008 at 04:23 PM Anonymous Says:
michael savage is great. he would make a better satmar rebbe than reb aharon or reb zalman.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 04:38 PM Charlie Hall Says:
It is easy to underestimate the power of a totalitarian state when one has never lived in one. It isn't about guns, it is about respect for human dignity and the ruthlessness of evil people. Britian had banned guns even before Hitler, and it didn't have a Shoah. But it also never had a single Fascist get elected to parliament. Anyone who thinks that poorly trained German Jews armed with handguns or even hunting rifles icould have resisted the SS is deluded.
And nobody on the Right seems to care that the recent court decision will make it possible for Islamic terrorists to compile a weapons arsenal just blocks from the White House. If there is *any* place in the US where guns should be illegal, it is in Washington, DC.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 04:59 PM Anonymous Says:
Savage is one smart Jew, G-d bless him.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 05:28 PM Midwest Frum Yid armed to the teeth Says:
The only proof you need to see that Savage is right (is he a yid or not, unknown) is to look at modern day Iraq and the war there. There you have a populous where everyone has a gun or two, plus a RPG. They are able to fend off the much more professional and highly trained and much better armed American army. And look at Lebanon War 2, same thing. Urban warfare is the great equalizer. Sure, the Jews surviving against a "blitzkrieg" on the open battle field is not even a remote possibility. But the Jews gathered in cities and towns and fighting using urban guerilla warfare tactics, that is a real battle and would most likely have occupied the Nazis tremendously and would have left a lot more Jews alive. Now, to deal with the Ratzon Hashem...one belief is that it was Hester Panim...that G-d hid from the Jews his protective veil, and therefore they were left to the pure mercy of the Gentiles. If that is the case, then fighting for your life would have changed the outcome, and was an possible, perhaps. And folks, don't be such wimps! Read your Tanach...Jews fought and died in battle, even when the battle was controlled by Hashem. Hishtadlut and Bitachon, that is the motto for Jewish battle. You can't just allow things to "happen" to you, that is as much about taking away your free will as it is if you were "forced" to do a mitzvah. Hashem wants us to make a choice to live. By the way, I own a Ak-47 with a folding stock, with two 30 rd. magazines and 200 rounds at the ready (with a trigger lock of course for safety with kids) , a tactical 12 guage shotgun with 100 shells and a 32 snub nose pistol with an ankle holster. To quote, I think the Ramones..."When they come to get you, how you gonna come, with your hands in the air or on the trigger of your gun?" I am not saying that ANYBODY is coming to get us here in the US of A. I genuinely believe this country is different and is also blessed by Hashem, but hey, things can change and even if I were to die in the effort, I would certainly take as many of my enemies as possible. The mentality of Ratzon Hashem and not doing ANYTHING in the face of evil is purely a construct of the Gentile persecution of the Jews in the disapora. We must shake that dust off. Gut Shabbos to all.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:
Its mamish a gevalt! He takeh is right on the kesef!
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Jun 27, 2008 at 05:56 PM Spring Valley News Says:
R' Menachem Zemba z"L urged Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto to get arms and fight for their lives. I am sure that he knew that this was a Gzirah Min Hashamayim, yet wanted them to defend themselves!
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Jun 27, 2008 at 06:00 PM miamiyid Says:
DR. savage is a great guy he's very educated and truth be told no body wants to hear the truth ...
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Jun 27, 2008 at 06:01 PM Mark Levin Says:
woo hoo weiner nation!
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Jun 27, 2008 at 06:44 PM Anonymous Says:
the rambam says the churban bais hamikdush came because the jews werent experienced in the war game.
about "bashert" see the shmona prukim l'hurambam chapter 8. its only a cop out.
you must "think" and protect youself.
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Jun 27, 2008 at 07:56 PM Anonymous Says:
you guys are carzy! why wouls hashem want to harm is kinderlach. the incoent zeeseh kinderlach. the holicust isnt simple no one has a answer not even the gadol hador. (whoever that is).Mr savage has a point like or not. im going to have some cholent and kokesh cake!
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Jun 28, 2008 at 07:39 PM Anonymous Says:
Michael is right, to an extent. While the tragedy couldnt be avoided. Had the yidden had guns far less would have been killed. Thanks for listening.
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Jun 29, 2008 at 10:45 AM Rabbi Lebovic Says:
Learn Reb Elchonon's Maamorim. Understand our Golus status. Never in the Golus history, our Gedolim looked for selfdefence. The could use at the time Sheimois, against our ennemies, but they accepted the gezeiras Golus. R'Moshe Blau wrote, that the Warsaw rebbellion was against all frum jews opinion. R'Simche Bunim Lieberman who was at the time there, with other people, denied the fact, that R'M.Zemba agreed.
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Jul 01, 2008 at 12:21 PM Anonymous Says:
anon 12:41: how do you know?
JDL: i heard that R'Kahane wanted the slogan to be Every Jew a 45, but unfortunately it didnt rhyme:)
who knows? forget defending ourselves from the germans, all it would have taken is a courageous Jew with good aim and a pistol to aim for that ridiculous moustache while hitler ym''sh was riding in the back of his mercedes!