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Monsey, NY - Recent articles about a Hasidic woman having to remove her wig for a mugshot revealed that we who live in the Town of Ramapo have enormous problems that cannot be solved by people getting angry with one another. The table has been set, and we must learn to live amicably. Throwing stones at one another never solved anything.
Had the Town Board updated the antiquated Police Commission, and put on that board representatives from all parts of the town, perhaps this tumult could have been avoided. Now, the Police Commission of Ramapo comprises only the members of the Town Board. Ironically, two of them live outside of the police district. They live in Suffern, which has its own police district. Can you think of any other district, fire, school, library, etc. whose leadership is composed of people who do not reside within the confines of that district? It is unthinkable to imagine that people who live in the East Ramapo School District can make decisions and vote on the budget of the Ramapo Central School District.
Had there been people on the Ramapo Police Commission who represented New Square, Kaser and Monsey I am sure this embarrassment could have been avoided.
For years I have advocated member districts based on geographic boundaries. Ramapo is a heavily populated and diverse town and must have direct input from all of its various ethnicities. Having twinning groups and ethnic celebrations is not really getting to the nuts and bolts of the growing animosity between groups.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:
Couldn’t have said it better
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Jul 17, 2008 at 11:43 AM MDN Says:
For your info, the police headquarters is in suffern. Suffern is a village within the town of Ramapo. Spring valley has their own police as well but is still the jurisdiction of Ramapo PD. Whoever wrote this piece should get their facts streight
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Jul 17, 2008 at 11:44 AM moshe Says:
Having the dishonest people from these communities to help in policing is like letting the lunatics run the asylum
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Jul 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:
gevaldig great job
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Jul 17, 2008 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:
to MDN, for your info. the town hall and police headquaters are in suffern, but not in the village of suffern, (village of suffern starts at the indian rock shopping center) the same is with new square which is part of spring valley but not part of village of spring valley (its funny but village of spring valley is in 2 towns, ramapo and clarkstown, the SV marketplace is part of spring valley and clarkstown), its you that should get their facts streight, thanks
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Jul 17, 2008 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:
moshe Says:
Having the dishonest people from these communities to help in policing is like letting the lunatics run the asylum
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Moshe, your hatred towards the people of these communities are one of the major reasons why we are still in Golus. Shame on you moshe!
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Jul 17, 2008 at 01:00 PM Charlie Brown Says:
moshe, I hate to break it to you, but look at the comments in the journal news website about any issue involving frum people, and there are many many anti-semites there who could have written your exact words referring to ALL jews, yourself included. The fact that you're a yid does not make you any less of an anti-semite than them.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 01:11 PM Joseph Says:
Its sad, but funny. The same thing the rabid anti-semites write about ALL Jews, the rabid religious-bashing irreligious Jews say about the religious. And the same thing they say about the religious, the "modern" religious say about the "ultra."
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Jul 17, 2008 at 02:16 PM YOSELE Says:
It's a big problem that they think this way on us, isn't it?
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Jul 17, 2008 at 03:22 PM Just Wondering Says:
MDN,
You got it all wrong.. ramapo PD station is located in Airmont and covers the town, except for Spring Valley and Suffern, which have their own police departments. That doesn't mean the Ramapo PD can't help out on Spring Valley and Suffern, like the sheriff does. Most PDs help each other.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 03:23 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:
There's a difference between hating ALL Jews because they're Jews and hating some Jews because those particular Jews are crooks. Jews who steal from the government, who perpetrate fraud, who commit this monstrous chillul HaShem, in effect spitting in the eye of the very country that protects and preserves their way of life, are the ones who are keeping us in Golus. Visibly "frum" Jews who commit these crimes are endangering all of us. In my opinion, the have a din of rodeif and therefore kanoim pogim bo.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 03:24 PM Just Wondering Says:
Anonymous 1216 pm:
You are referring to Postal Districts. New Square is not in Spring Valley. New Square is its own independent village. The Post Office in Spring Valley receives mail for New Square. Post Office in Monsey receives mail for Monsey and Kaser and other areas..
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Jul 17, 2008 at 03:28 PM moshe Says:
Charley Brown, it's easy to call names when you have nothing else to say. I've worked very closely with these people professionally and personally. I think I'm a lot more Jewish in terms of ethics and torah than they are. With many of them, I'd say that a pig is more kosher. A beard and a black hat doesn't excuse you from dealing honestly.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 04:52 PM mo Says:
Just wondering is incorrect.
It's not just postal districts.
All villages in New York State are in Towns.
There is a town of Spring Valley and a village of Spring Valley. The same is true for Suffern and in fact Fallsburg which also has a village of South Fallsburgh.
New [] is a village in the town of Spring Valley, in Rockland County in New York State, which is way to complicated and one of the reasons for ineffective government.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 04:55 PM Charlie Brown Says:
moshe,
I am not at all chasidish but I've also dealt with many of them on a personal and business level. I have been royally screwed financially by a chasidishe person but have had pleasant dealings with many more than one. There are some bad apples, but most are honest law-abiding citizens.
Branding all chasidim as dishonest thieves because of the actions of a few of them is not different at all than the goyim on the journal news site who brand ALL jews (including you) as dishonest thieves because of the actions of a few.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 05:02 PM Anonymous Says:
Charlie Brown - it seems you are doing just the opposite. Excusing those chasidim that are dishonest thieves because most of them are good. That doesnt sound right either. A few bad apples spoil the bunch right? unfortunately the impact of the dishonest theives is profound and it will be those that will make it on the commission. I would prefer to take the commission as it is.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:
Moshe, right, the Hasidim are dishonest and the worst criminals, the safest place and the most honesty you'd find in Harlem and south Bronx.. what a moron.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:
As a sales man I've dealt with many litvish, chasidish and modern people to all degrees, and most of my clients always were straight and honest, of course some are penny pinching and enjoy using the bargaining privilege, but thats what business is all about. in a few isolated cases I did cross into the path of some dishonest people, that unfortunately includes a variety and mix of all categories. and let me tell you, as a frum litvak, I'm ashamed that with chasidim I had the most pleasant overall experience, including a weird incident, when a chosid of Williamsburg sent in at year end to the company a surprise payment of close to 10,000 dollars for an order that was unaccounted, and just slipped out of the computer's bookkeeping system.
SHAME on all self hating people looking to find bad spots in pure honest and law abiding people. all yidden are good, and in every case of eggs you might find one or 2 blood spots..
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Jul 17, 2008 at 05:46 PM Charlie Brown Says:
anon 5:02,
I am not excusing anybody. I am just saying that stereotyping is wrong.
Criminals and thieves do not belong on the police comission whether they are white, black, hispanic, litvish or chasidish.
But to ban ALL chasidim from serving on the police commission? That is pure anti-semitism.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 06:34 PM Anonymous Says:
Unfortunately, what you have are two different lifestyles - one that is religious and lives apart from the secular world. Compromise for the religious people is not really in the works since they follow their own laws. Now, I know secular law is supposed to be followed, but religious law still rules. No amount of discussion is going to convince the religious world that a woman taking off her wig, for example, for a mug shot upon arrest is allowable. Is there a compromise position? And why should the police compromise?
It's very difficult.
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Jul 17, 2008 at 08:52 PM Real Estate Pro Says:
mo said:
It's not just postal districts.
All villages in New York State are in Towns.
There is a town of Spring Valley and a village of Spring Valley. The same is true for Suffern and in fact Fallsburg which also has a village of South Fallsburgh.
New [] is a village in the town of Spring Valley, in Rockland County in New York State, which is way to complicated and one of the reasons for ineffective government.
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You are partially correct, but not entirely. There is no town of Spring Valley, nor a town of Suffern. Suffern, like New Square, is a village entirely within the Town of Ramapo. Spring Vally is a village that is mostly within Ramapo and partially within the Town of Clarkstown.
There indeed are some village/town pairs with similar or idential names (such as Haverstraw here in Rockland, or Monroe in Orange County), and even some with identical names and boundaries (such as Harrison in Westchester). However, these are the exception rather than the rule.
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Jul 18, 2008 at 03:10 AM Anonymous Says:
to Joseph,
"Joseph Says:
Its sad, but funny. The same thing the rabid anti-semites write about ALL Jews, the rabid religious-bashing irreligious Jews say about the religious. And the same thing they say about the religious, the "modern" religious say about the "ultra."
It would be appreciated if you were to look in the mirror before making such comments.By labeling all modern religious, you are doing the same thing and have always done it.
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Jul 18, 2008 at 03:37 AM Anonymous Says:
I live in Brooklyn, on vacation overseas now, & I've read all these posts. I suggest you do the same. You all sound like a bunch of little kids, worrying about such narishkeit as which village is in which district.
Who cares except you kleinekeppeldikers! Get a life! Better still, help your wives with the kids if you have so much time to worry about all this.