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Postville, IA - A Rush to “lashon hara” On Agriprocessors ?

Published on:   Jul 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM
News Source: NJJN - By Andrew Silow-Carroll
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Postville, IA - What’s a proper Jewish response to the ongoing scandal surrounding the Agriprocessors plant in Postville, Iowa?

And is it even proper, ahead of a court’s final judgment, to refer to the controversy surrounding America’s largest kosher meat processor as a “scandal”?

An Orthodox colleague and I have been debating this. I had expressed outrage over the long list of allegations at Agriprocessors and said they suggest a pattern of worker abuse that is shameful in itself and shaming the Jewish community.

He reminded me that no company officials — owners and managers — have been charged with wrongdoing and that the community has rushed to judgment based on the allegations of hardly disinterested parties. He didn’t specify which ones, but other defenders of Agriprocessors have hinted at dark motives by labor organizers, grandstanding U.S. immigration officials, and non-Orthodox Jews interested in embarrassing the Orthodox or gaining a larger stake in the kosher industry.

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And while the courts have yet to speak on the issue, there’s a pattern here. Would a rabbi advise his readers to refrain from a “rush to judgment” if the allegations about Agriprocessors were about kashrut, pure and simple? If there were reports from reputable parties and government officials that a local restaurant or store was violating its kosher supervision, would he tell his folks to keep eating there until due process had run its course?

The engagement and outrage demanded by unmistakable signs of injustice would be stifled if all activism waited on the grind of the justice system. And while we wait for the courts to confirm or deny the well-documented allegations emanating from the press, government agencies, eyewitnesses, and community activists, what of the potential victims? Is there no category in Halacha for intervening in a situation where there is the strong suspicion of bodily or emotional harm?

Great injustices have been remedied in this country thanks to the heroic spadework of investigative journalists, fervent activists, and crusading lawmakers. They don’t have the power to put people behind bars, thank goodness, but they can goad the public to apply the kinds of pressures that will force changes even before the courts have spoken. The labor movement itself, so closely associated with Jews in the first half of the 20th century, is a testament to the power of moral suasion applied by those to whom many courts were actually hostile. The great muckraking journalists inspired revolutionary reforms by publishing exposés that might be condemned under Jewish conceptions of “lashon hara” — harmful gossip.

Agriprocessors certainly deserves it day in court. But something stinks in the state of Iowa, and it’s not too early for kosher consumers to demand higher standards from everyone associated with the industry. At stake is the integrity of kashrut itself — and the credibility of any Jew who quotes the Torah on justice.


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 Jul 23, 2008 at 12:02 PM Drill Here!! Drill Now!! Save Money!! Says:

We could tell who is obviously NOT the orthodox one. Anyone "in the know" knows that all this was from the Unions and from the fake conservatives/reformed who are more interested in their agenda than anything else.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 12:40 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't agree with the author's analysis. There were no kashrus allegations made. Even in the worst case scenerio, that the allegations on record are true, the product is still kosher. So how can you compare this story to one where a restaurant is suspect????

In that case one should refrain from eating there until its clear whether its kosher or not.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 01:02 PM CR Says:

"Great injustices have been remedied in this country thanks to the heroic spadework of investigative journalists, fervent activists, and crusading lawmakers."

And even more injustices have been enabled and abbetted by fetid corruption and willful blindness of other journalists, activists and lawmakers.

"Would a rabbi advise his readers to refrain from a “rush to judgment” if the allegations about Agriprocessors were about kashrut, pure and simple? "

Simple answer: Yes! I've seen it happen far too often that Rabbis in a town will call foul on rumors about a certain establishment and say "Kosher!". This is a straw-man argument revealing the blatant dishonesty and ignorance of this journo.

"But something stinks in the state of Iowa"

It's the stench of these dogs eating and wallowing in their own filth.

What self-serving, cynical claptrap.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

There have been several allegations related to labeling non-kosher as "kosher". There have been other issues related to meshichist shochtim. Last week a supervisor interviewed on radio claimed that there was intentional relabeling of product to show later dates. There is no mashgiach supervising the labeling and shipping.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

It all comes down to neemanut. If you feel that you can trust the owners, then it is okay. If you are troubled by all these allegations, then there may be also a kashrut problem.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 01:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Seeing that all the muckraking about illegals
and other alleged chatoim have not persuaded most erliche non-loshon hora accepting yidden
to reject Rubashkin - now a new angle is tried
about "possible" kashrus issues and vague ominous
"something stinks in the state of Iowa"
perhaps maybe just maybe this formula will work
to drive more yidden from Rubashkin.
I am disgusted at the persistent rishus -
these people will have to give din v'cheshbon one day...... Hashem know the true motives.....

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 01:55 PM Yossi G. Says:

Since all the halachos of kashrus require as the most basic principle a level of ne'emanus (acceptable veracity re religious responsibility), it appears to me that a "kolah delo pasik" (repeated rumors) would impinge on that reliability. Add to that the fact that meat packaging is not supervised and that non-kosher meat is also packed there, something that until now was never accepted at other plants, there would appear to me to be a huge problem with kashrus. More, the family in toto has shown a very marked level of criminality, and several members have had serious legal issues with charges (and some convictions) of fraud, arson, forgery, etc., all of which should also be considered by any responsible person when evaluating their trustworthiness.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 02:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Anon @1:39,

The "rishus" is the chillul hashem that Agriprocessors has caused by their behavior. Between the Congressional hearings and the newspaper reports and their lack of transparency (why not let unannounced visits of outside mashgichim?, why not have bona fide mashgichim supervising the labeling and shipping?) they have caused tremendous friction and are the cause of the lashon hara. BTW, when there is a toeles, in this case preventing Jews from eating treife, then it is not lashon hara.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 02:22 PM ANONYYMOUS Says:

Drill Here!! Drill Now!! Save Money!! Says:
We could tell who is obviously NOT the orthodox one. Anyone "in the know" knows that all this was from the Unions and from the fake conservatives/reformed who are more interested in their agenda than anything else.
07-23-2008 - 12:02 PM
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Anyone 'in the know'.

There have been so many stories about the 'honestry' of the Rubashkin fanmily over the years, the no one knows anything, anymore. Several members of the close family in positions of power and authority have already pleaded guilty to serious crimes and are paying clean-up fees of $450,000 even before sentencing. Others have served JAIL time for bank fraud. I hate to hear that ne'emanus has nothing to do with Kashrus, We are told that is why you have a nashgiach.

I am sorry. I don't buy it.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 03:42 PM Karl Says:

Would you eat in your Rabbi's house?
- If he is your Rov, then I hope you trust him & his kashrus.

Would you eat in a Reform/Conservatives rabbis's house?
- If you are frum/orthodox/whateveryouwannacallit and dont follow Reform/Conservative, then you wouldent trust his(/her) kashrus.

Personally I think, so too with Rubashkin - If you trust them, then there is no problem with the hashgocho, but if there is no yashrus - you cant trust the kashrus!

Make up your own mind.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 07:00 PM anonymous Says:

CAn we figure out which comments were written by 5WPR and Juda Englemeyer?

I find it disgusting that the case cannot stand on its own merits but must have a paid shill (actually 2 paid shills) to try to change the facts and confuse the public even more.

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 08:57 PM b'ilom shem Says:

I find it disgusting that yidden could talk against each other in such a manner. What ever happens in the Rubashkin family has nothing to do with the plant. Illegal workers is a crime however why Agri? each and every yiddshe shop and factory runs on illegals, every kosher butcher has mexican's working in there store...?and who never heard about tzedakah Mr. Rubashkin give's away, just pass his house in boro park on shabbos and see what type of people come and go ...There store on 13 ave. is a folk soup kitchen just walk in afternoon and check it out.By the way more and more restaurants use there meats now in boro park,almost 80% of New York and N.J restaurants use there meat (I did research)By all means who ever is mocking the Rubashkin family just cant stand that they are so big and try to undermine there company.

Regarding there hechsher.. they just got 2 new Rabbi's, Rabbi Gornish and Rabbi Babad, that untill now they never aloud there store's to take from Rubashkin, but now they take ONLY Rubashkin...ask them where its more kosher...

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 10:04 PM yankel Says:

Who are you to be Moitze Shem Ra + Rechilus against a Heimishe company. Even Goyim know "innocent until proven gulity". and yet you wont let Rubashkin breathe freely. SHAME ON YOU !

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 Jul 23, 2008 at 11:40 PM Anonymous Says:

TWENTY MILLION Mexicans are "working" in this country. President Bush, the Senate & the Congress all don't know what to do about it. So Rubashkin had 300-400 mexicans working for him. There was never any charges of abuse. These newspaper writers just can't let go of this story. But we - Erlicher Yidden - most forget about this narishkeit, and daven for the Rubashkins that all should end well.

The Yom Hadin - Rosh Hashonah - is only 9 weeks away, how do we want the Ribono Shel Olam to judge us?

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 09:07 AM micha Says:

When a news story runs for 8 years, growing like a snowball of allegation after allegation, how can anyone be said to be "rushing to judgment"?

And while no one in Agri has been charged, they have been repeatedly fined for dangerous practices, paying less than promised, not paying overtime, not to mentions health violations that impact the consumer. And not like the rest of the industry -- we're talking causing more amputations than the rest of the industry in the state combined (and that includes Tyson Chicken, Hormel, and a dozen other plants far bigger than Agri).

If the work conditions weren't insane, would Labor Ready have broken contract after 10 days and given up all that income? A company that regularly places scabs in meat plants (and many other temp jobs) found the contract to be immoral and against their core principles.

But ANONYMOUS (of 2:22pm), ne'emanus of the owner has little to do with kashrus. We have mashgichim so that we rely on them, not people who will lose money with each chicken labeled treif.

As for eating their food... Can you enjoy a Shabbos meal knowing that it reached your table only because someone worked a 12 hour night doing things no other slaughter house would ask them to do -- never mind while half asleep -- for less pay than they signed up for?

That said, Agri hired someone to look after employee safety and change policy. Currently a team of 2, with 2 more open hires to round out the group. There is all reason to believe things will be changing.

-micha

-micha

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 04:35 PM Anonymous Says:

I as well as many if not most regular kosher consumers really don't care how many hours a worker works or wheather they are illegal those issues are best left to the government regulators
who are doing their job zealously.
I am also not interested in his (possibly aggresive) money dealings - he will pay his dues improve his operation and go on.
I AM interested in a relliable world class hashgocha that takes responsibility for KASHRUS
He has that and so I will continue to buy his products all the more so when I see all these
farkrumpte jealous imfarginers trying desperately
to destroy him for no valid reason just plain infantile rantings and false accusations (re: KASHRUS keep the eye on the ball KASHRUS KASHRUS)

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