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New York - Amazon Fight With Albany Over Sales Tax May Pay Off

Published on:   Jul 24, 2008 at 10:31 AM
News Source: seekingalpha.com - By Boaz Berkowitz
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New York - For those of you who weren’t aware, New York State passed a new law that went into effect on June 1, 2008. The law, dubbed “the Amazon tax,” requires all internet companies with affiliates in NY State to charge sales tax on shipments bound for New York. The State expects this to increase tax revenue by $50 million.

Why is this law a problem? Well, according to the Supreme Court’s 1992 ruling in Quill v. North Dakota, companies are obligated to charge sales tax only for states where they have a physical presence. That is why New Yorkers may have noticed that they need to pay sales tax when making an online purchase from sites like Best Buy (BBY), Circuit City (CC) or Barnes & Noble (BKS), but not from sites like Amazon, Buy.com, Overstock and others. The former group has a presence in virtually every state, while the latter set does not. Technically, New Yorkers were always supposed to pay sales tax on purchases from sites like Amazon to the government, but since the web stores weren’t forced to collect the tax, few actually paid.

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New York State has found a way around this law by stipulating that New York based affiliates could be constituted as a “physical presence,” though until now, they have generally been interpreted as advertising vehicles. Affiliates get paid a commission for driving a customer to online stores. Websites like Amazon have thousands of such affiliates.

Why is this law important? It means that one of the major advantages that a company like Amazon had over a company like Barnes & Noble is that they did not have to charge sales tax to New Yorkers. This often resulted in a lower overall price. Now these companies do need to include tax and it remains to be seen if their more price sensitive customers may no longer be as loyal. I, for one, am not. And while a $1.00 sales tax on a book may not be enough to dissuade a customer from making a purchase, tax on a laptop, which could easily add over $100, might.

So how have companies responded? The harshest response came from Amazon and Overstock, which have independently filed lawsuits against New York State challenging the constitutionality of the new law (note: by filing independently, they are forcing New York to defend themselves against two lawsuits rather than one; a considerably more expensive undertaking). Meanwhile, most sites such as Amazon and Buy.com have complied and as of June 1st, have been charging sales tax to many an unsuspecting New Yorker. An email to each of these companies inquiring as to why the sites now charge NY sales tax resulted in an almost identical response which can be summed up as: New York passed this law, if you have a problem with it, contact them.

Overstock, followed by other online retailers were even more creative and decided to dump its 3,400 New York affiliates. Not only did this protect the company from having to charge sales tax in NY, but it sent a clear message to Albany: keep this law and you will hurt New York small business owners. As a result many sites like 5StarAffiliatePrograms.com have started a grassroots effort to pressure New York to repeal the law.

There are a lot of online shoppers in New York, and while Amazon and Overstock complain that such a law is unconstitutional or too hard to implement, what it really comes down to is that 10% or more of their customer base is affected by this new law and may defect to the competition. This poses a major threat to these companies’ profitability which is already being affected by the economic downturn.

Why should those of you who do not live in New York care? If you ever want to ship an item to a friend or relative in NY, you’ll have to shell out a little extra for NY sales tax, one of the highest in the country. Even worse, if New York gets away with this law, other states may follow. California has already considered implementing an “iTunes tax” which would have charged tax on all music downloads, but the law was defeated in committee. At least for now.

So where do we stand at this point? It seems that Overstock and Amazon’s gamble may have paid off. Faced with angry customers, worried affiliates and looming lawsuits, New York State may be about to back down. The Senate voted unanimously on a bill to repeal the law and the bill has now been passed on to the Assembly for review. But there is a long way to go until the battle is over. Regardless of what happens, I will likely never see the $15.11 in sales tax I just paid to Amazon for my most recent order.


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 Jul 24, 2008 at 11:52 AM Boruch Goldstien Says:

I Started To Ship To Jersey

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 12:08 PM anonymous Says:

There is loop wholes for ammazon to get away with it, i just dont wanto say loud, if they read think hard and you will find the way.

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 01:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Ship to NJ!

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 01:13 PM barry Says:

Great article, you summed everything up very well! I hope this law does get repealed!

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:

anon 12:08

you should attend the meeting amazon is making on this they will have many comsumers there at least 1 lawyer and some politicians possibly as well to come uo with ideas on how to stop or work around it.

a loophole is not illegal you're just beating around the bush.

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 01:27 PM Big Event Says:

You guys sound like you have a solution. Millions of New Yorkers don't have relatives in Jersey, they just won't order from me anymore. They will rather order from Ca. Besides, the publicity this story is making is in itself dangerous. Lots of people never even looked out for this issue to begin with. The goverment is acting like a whistle blower against NY sm. buss. owners.

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

There is no loophole, any loophole is illegal.

It bothers me to no end to find heimish people who hold themselves to a higher standard do things of this nature.

Even if you do not get charged sales tax, if you buy an item for use in NY, YOU MUST PAY A USE TAX.

Where is the book on Halachah that tells us it's not ok to steal unless it's not paying taxes?

THERE IS NO LOOPHOLE, IT'S GENAVA.

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 03:10 PM LAKEwood Says:

tax also has a gvil!!
i get payroll i pay tax, i go in2 supermarket,hardware,optical,sfurim store et'c i pay tax AGAIN!!
on my house what i pay EXPANCIVE mortgage i pay tax again!!
half or more of half of the $$$ go's for tax!!
so stop screaming GNIVA!!!!

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 03:14 PM Anonymous Says:

I used too order from Amazon weekly, Since they started charging tax I have not ordered one item.

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 07:47 PM Anonymous Says:

07-24-2008 - 2:56 PM

it's time to leave kollel and get into the real world

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 08:21 PM Anonymous Says:

LAKEwood:

You don't like the taxes you pay? You have three options:

1. Get involved and make changes.
2. Keep paying.
3. Move to a country with lower taxes.

Stealing doesn't make it right, even in Lakewood. Besides, would you say you don't get services for the taxes you pay?

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 Jul 24, 2008 at 09:53 PM Moishy MS Says:

If they change the term from affiliate to advertisment or commision they can get around it:

The State is claiming like this:
Since my blog is an affiliate of amazon and I share in the profits of the purchases I forward to them it is as if is sold it to the buyer - and I live in NY.

The way around this is to change the relationship:
My blog now is not "affiliated" with amazon - I Charge amazon a charge for the advertisement on my site, the charge is 15% of the purchases that go thru my site (similar to the way we sell a businesses to a goy partner for shabbos...).

This is the same as an ad in the NYtimes - just my fees work differently.




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 Jul 25, 2008 at 04:08 AM Anonymous Says:

LAKEwood Says:
tax also has a gvil!!
i get payroll i pay tax, i go in2 supermarket,hardware,optical,sfurim store et'c i pay tax AGAIN!!
on my house what i pay EXPANCIVE mortgage i pay tax again!!
half or more of half of the $$$ go's for tax!!
so stop screaming GNIVA!!!!
07-24-2008 - 3:10 PM

IT STILL IS GENEVA!
The law is the law, dina diMalchusa dina.
Few people like taxes but tough. Those that use something in NY that did not pay sales tax are required to pay use tax.

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 Jul 25, 2008 at 09:43 AM Passaic Rav Says:

Explain why this is geneiva? It's my hard earned money that the goverment is taking away from me.

I have no choice & comply, when there is a chance that I get cought.

You have to be a accountant or tax lawyer to fully comply with these tough laws.

Geneiva is where I take money that not mine.

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