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Brooklyn, NY—High-profile Assemblyman Dov Hikind, no stranger to controversial issues, has thrust himself to the forefront of a burning Jewish-community issue once again.

But this time, perhaps, the stakes have never been higher—because Hikind's target is an issue the long-time activist himself confesses ignorance of until recently: molestation and abuse of children in the Orthodox community.

The saga reignited itself only recently and coincidentally after controversial firebrand Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, who at the minimum deserves some begrudging, backhanded respect for dragging the issue out of the shadows, might have inspired four professional Orthodox therapists to re-launch an abuse hotline and treatment service operated under the auspices of the venerable Beth Israel Hospital after it was closed a few years ago due to lack of funding. The four professionals [ a separate story about this new help line will be posted on VIN in next few days] are Chaya Mermerstein, LCSW and Cheryl Friedman, LCSW, both of Beth Israel's staff, psychotherapist Yoni Hikind, LMSW, and psychotherapist Dr. Asher Lipner, Ph.D., who specializes in frum survivors of sexual abuse.

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[Clarification - While there were indeed four panelists on Dov Hikind's radio show motzie shabbos, July 26, 2008, discussing sexual abuse in our community, it is important to clarify the roles of the different panelists.

Cheryl Friedman, LCSW , Chaya Mermerstein, LCSW, and Carole Sher, LCSW, under the auspices of Beth Israel Medical Center's Victim Services Program are initiating a help line called SOVRI related to sexual abuse.

Dr. Usher Lipner, a strong advocate in the field of sexual abuse is not connected to SOVRI, nor is Yoni Hikind, CSW.]

[Editor's Note: After VIN's posting of the Hikind/molestation article this morning, which mentioned four frum therapists who have been involved in this issue for a number of years, VIN received the following e-mail from one of the foursome stating that "Nachum Rosenberg had NOTHING to do with creating this help line, Nor credit should be given to him" and VIN was told so on a phone interview as well]. In response, VIN will simply and neutrally reiterate the facts that Rabbi Rosenberg has created a firestorm of discussion on this issue in recent months and that the abuse hotline, which was in the works for several years, was relaunched in recent months]

That foursome earned a group interview last weekend on Hikind's radio show as a result—and Hikind claims to have been overwhelmed with calls from all over in the ensuing days: calls from Orthodox Jews with horrific stories of molestation and victimization as children.

The startling reaction has prompted Hikind to take action.

"I have to admit I have not done enough on this issue; I am throwing myself into it and I am now fully dedicated to addressing this issue very forcefully," Hikind told VIN in a phone interview.

"According to my info since I did the radio show last week, I have been shocked [by the response] and I would say after speaking to highly professional people who deal with this, it's an epidemic in this community."

When asked specifically about Rabbi Rosenberg's hotline, Hikind says that while he would meet with Rabbi Rosenberg in the context of meeting anyone in the community motivated to do something about the issues, and that he "agrees strongly" with the issues Rosenberg has raised, "I have never listened to his phone line but based on what I was told, I will say I do not acknowledge his way of attacking individuals on his [phone-show] line. Having said that, the community needs to wake up and form a very strong internal organization—and a real one, not a politically correct one—to resolve this with a team of real professionals."

Additionally, Hikind plans on demonstrating his serious concern about this issue by meeting with leaders of all major Chasidic groups to Litvishe Roshei Yeshivos and rabbonim.

Regarding rabbinical bans of Rabbi Rosenberg, Hikind believes said reaction resulted from rabbonim who are "really not aware how shrecklich this issue is. I am not going to argue if the way Rosenberg addresses this issue is right or wrong because I never listened to him, but the fact remains he is touching upon a very serious issue."

The State Assemblyman still insisted that he maintains the highest respect for rabbonim, mentioning his close work with them. "As a matter of fact, my kids learned in Eretz Yisroel and I was really looking forward for them to become rabbonim and school teachers. I always consult sensitive issue with rabonim."

Hikind said anyone who needs help on this matter should feel free to contact his office and feel confident that their anonymity will be protected.

While we support and laud Mr. Hikind's statements and commitment to action, we will let the results be his ultimate judge. In the meantime, we say to Dov Hikind, "Hatzlachah rabbah! We'll be watching you."

Announcement

Under the auspices of Beth Israel Medical Center, an anonymous, confidential helpline, known as SOVRI, Support for Orthodox Victims of Rape and Incest has been developed for those who are, or have been victims of sexual abuse and molestation.

The helpline calls will be answered by trained orthodox volunteers who are able to offer compassionate support, information and referrals.

Sovri will be open for calls beginning Monday, August 4, 2008. The hours are Monday - Thursday 9:30 am - 5:30 pm, and on Friday 10 am - 12 pm. The helpline telephone number is (212)844-1495.

Carole Sher, LCSW, Coordinator, BIMC's Crime Victim Services Program

Cherly Friedman, LCSW, Clincial SW, BIMC's Rape Crisis Unit

Chaya Mermerstein, LCSW, Clinical SW in the Psychiatric Outpatient Child & Adolescent Clinic

Bassya Littman, Founder, SOVRI


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 Jul 30, 2008 at 10:29 AM Anonymous Says:

We have to wake up. I was a victim of abuse foor many years at ab prestigious brooklyn litvishe yeshiva and no one including my parent beleived me. Finally someone to talk to that wiolll listen to us and not say we are just rabbonim haters. I know many special rabbonim and these animals were not them

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 10:46 AM major chillul Says:

why werent the mondrowitz and kolko cases enough to make hikind aware of this shreklich problem. Why now? only through rosenberg did it become a problem??

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM MEYER A Says:

GOOD NEWS KUDUS TO DOV

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM Anonymous Says:

While most of us disagree R'Nuchem Rosenberg's attacking the rabonim in public, we may agree that was the only means he had to steer up the issues. Otherwise it'd never get to this point.
Thank you R'Nuchem. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Dov. I know we can rely on you to get things done.
You kow something Dov? I expect the Rabonim's reaction will be, "as long as you are affiliated with Nuchem Rosenberg we can't talk to you".

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 10:53 AM mt mehdi Says:

God bless Dov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:00 AM Avrohom Says:

I am so glad that this is now going to be solved in a officail setting without any corruptions or fear of reprisals,,I was a victim and didnt have to whom to complain because the yeshiva principle just gave me smack on my face and told me to shut up my mouth and not talk ( nival pay )now the principle was a erlicha man and he for sure didnt belive my story because ,,It cant be true? so i had no one to talk to,,I didnt want to involve my paraents at time,,thinking back I probley made a mistake,,,so Im glad something is being done now,,,abit to late but at least the next generation of kids will have to whom to talk to

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:10 AM Anonymous Says:

There is new film (fiction) out produced by Yisrael Moskovits (Orthodox) called Narrow Bridge (Gesher Tzar Me'oed). it shows the effect Child Molestation has on the victims in the long ryn. It's worth watching, I'm not sure how to get hold of it, you've contact info on the site narrowbridgefilm.com

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Hikind, dont talk down on Reb Nuchem Rosenberg. If not for him you would still be concentrated on Israeli issues instead of going after monsters in our own communities. Besides, were you under a rock when Mondrowitz abused me and dozens of other local boys?

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:

I contacted Dov about a melamed in one of the chasidishe yeshivas in B.P., and y'know what, he's still there, plying his trade.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:20 AM Anonymous Says:

it is most definitely time to bring this out in the open congratulations cuzin, Nuchem keep ur head up high & follow the right path but bring it out in the open make people aware it's been under the rug for much too long

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Great! everyone helping out in getting the community better and safer is having a great zechus.

But, don't quote this clown N. Roosenberg, he is out for attention and destruction, he is taking reverse and negative action.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:48 AM Anonymous Says:

FACT: Nuchem has brought awareness of this problem to the community. Clown or not he has singlehandedly forced this issue against the desire of most rabbonim.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM chezkee Says:

I am a teacher and nebach hear about this problem all too often. If only our so called gedolim could stop with the concerts and the colors of womens clothing and worry more about this shreklach problem, we might be able to put a stop to it.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Psychotherapist Yoni Hikind, LMSW
Conflict of interest? nepotism?

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:57 AM Chedva from Spring Valley Says:

Way too late!!

but shkoyach!!

We need this issue addressed.

I wish I lived in Bklyn so Dov could get my vote.

If you now don't vote for Dov, you are evil.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM Melon Says:

I wonder where he'll find the time between all the Sderot trips

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM Belzer Chosid Says:

Keep up the good work don't let anyone distract you. Act on this issue like it's first priorety on your list. Hashem should give you koach and Siyate Dishmaye.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 12:34 PM Anonymous Says:

How can we avoid the "NIMBY" philosophy.
(NIMBY = *N*ot *i*n *m*y *b*ack *y*ard [but ok in yours]). With NIMBY the perps are just recycled to the next yeshiva or next town etc.!

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 12:44 PM Rachel Says:

dont attack Mr Rosenberg he does mention that he was traumetized by that suicide of that person that was molested. So I do understand him why he is so alarmist

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Don’t attack Dov. He is a politician who has dedicated himself to serving the frum community with love and mesiras nefesh. Through his years in state government, he has undertaken many different causes, and has given of himself tirelessly and lifnim mishuras hadin. There were many issues that are of national importance that have benefited us through his passionate involvement. He invested efforts in issues of domestic violence, kids at risk, drug abuse, and he is now addressing molestation. No one individual can tackle everything. There were professionals in the field who reached out to Dov to seek his help with this latest issue. And he is graciously doing his part to help them. It is not all about money, nor is it honor or nepotism. I do not believe that Dov is looking to get involved in any specific cases of a molester. He has an interest in the global issue, so I would not burden him with calls about Ploni who is molesting kids.

B”H for Dov and the other professionals and askanim who are looking to bring about a change in the climate, where children can be safe everywhere. It is also noteworthy that he is interested in doing this together with Rabbonim and gedolim.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM bigwheeel Says:

There is a definition for R. Nuchem Rosenberg. ICONOCLAST! He's, in a FEARLESS manner bucking the tide! Not only on this issue. His style might be abrasive, but it's effective! Yes, most people like to take "The High Road" and the "Middle Ground" but what's puzzling? (maybe not so) is the reluctance to give him credit for stirring up the conscience of the people! The fact that the 4 Professionals got together, just now, is no mere coincidence, either! (Maybe the [Rosenberg] interview on Zev Brenner program had something (a tiny bit) to do with this?!)

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Chedva from Spring Valley, since when does voting or not voting for a person make us "evil"??? That's cazy talk!

To address the issue, though, Dov Hikind is being a tad ingenuous when he claims he didn't realize they extent of the problem. Where was he till now?? We all read, he has people who do that for him, yet he claims he didn't know how bad the situation is? Is he still trying to sell that bridge?

Having said that, if he deals with it now in a forceful manner, maybe things will change & there'll be no more victims. Let him actually put his money where his mouth is and stop this rot now.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

11:48, don't give no facts when you just don't know! each and every mosad has serious people to take care of those problems, N R has'nt brought up any awareness, he is just spreading the word on his silly hotline, that it's "standard", it's "normal", and this is what the kids and bochurim have to listen to. what a shame! he is a sicko and a dangerous man.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Anon:10:29 AM
Avrohom: 11:00 AM
______

I was a victim of murder...

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 01:24 PM Anonymous Says:

1:07 -

smell the coffee

we hope you don't find out the hard way...

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 01:33 PM Allan Says:

Mr. Hikind a good servant of the Jewish community and of NYC ...Thank You!!

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 01:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Ashame Hikind was only a kid during the Rabbi Kolko years

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 01:55 PM BERL Says:

ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS 8 YEARS OLD I WAS MOLESTED BY THE SHOHET AND MOIEL OF OUR TOWN IN ROMANIA HE THE SHOHET WAS 61 YEARS OLD AND IT HAPPENED IN OUR MIKVAH AND I AM STILL HAUNTED AND ANGRY ABOUT IT FINALLY SOMEONE IS TAKING ALL THIS SERIOUSLY KOL HAKOVOD TO DOV HIKIND

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 02:10 PM Anonymous Says:

I AGREE WITH MOST HERE IF NOT NUCHME ROSENBERG THIS ISSUE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED AND IF NOT REB NUCHIM SHOULD DO IN A WAY THAT BOUGHT ATTANTION THIS WOULD NEVER BEEN DONE SO REN NUCHMEN I WILL SAY IT LOUD WHAT EVRYBODY HATES TO AGREE ITS ALL YOUR CREDIT

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:

I AGREE WITH MOST HERE IF NOT NUCHME ROSENBERG THIS ISSUE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED AND IF NOT REB NUCHIM SHOULD DO IN A WAY THAT BOUGHT ATTANTION THIS WOULD NEVER BEEN DONE SO REB NECHAM I WILL SAY IT LOUD WHAT EVRYBODY HATES TO AGREE ITS ALL YOUR CREDIT

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 02:21 PM deepthinker Says:

This is an age-old problem, and it will not be solved by press releases, telephone hot lines, or attacks on Rabbonim.

If someone truly wants to help, he has to do the heavy lifting and organize the right people quietly, and without fanfare.

He may have to do some rough stuff too, which Dov--obviously--cannot be involved in.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 02:22 PM A FRUM MINNESOTAN Says:

Dov! we love you here in Minnesota!!!

Hatzlucha Rabba!!

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 02:28 PM Anonymous Says:

molestation is a sickness. It will not be cured by raising you voice on a hot line. By putting out names you are ruining the reputation of other family members which are not always aware that their family member is doing such a crime. These people that do these kind of things need help just as the victims need help. HELP!! HELP!!

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 02:30 PM Anonymous Says:

The first thing Dov needs to work on is getting the Assembly to pass the bill that was approved by the State Senate last year. This bill calls for mandatory background checks and fingerprinting for all prospective private school employees, as well as a sex offender registry. These are all mandatory in the public school system. The bill has been waiting passage in the Assembly since June 2007. Another important issue is mandatory reporting by private schools.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

2:28 PM,

It will not be cured, but it will surely be curtailed. Right now there is no deterrant for these molesters. If there is fear of reprisals, then they may control their sick urges more often. Also, the victims deserve to see justice and closure.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 03:01 PM Hasdei Hashem Says:

Anonymous at 11:12 AM - The melamed has a din of a rodef - you can and should report him to the authorities. If there is a known abuser and he is allowed to continue, you are putting yiddishe neshomas in jeapordy!!! Just because one person didn't respond does not mean you should allow the perpetrator to continue. The lives of yiddishe children is in your hands.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 04:02 PM Anonymous Says:

all of you who complain about dov are crazy bored sickos either you were never abused or dont know someone who was bc if you did you would think before you spewed that stuff from youre mouth i am involved for years in helping people in such situations out bc i went through it myself and anything possible thats being done is a step inthe righ way even if its unconventional well molesting is also so call a monster a monster and start doing something about it thank you dov so much i cant explain how good it feels that someone has the guts finally to start smashing heads which is what needs to be done thanx again you r a tzadik

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 04:04 PM destro613 Says:

dov just lost the chasidish vote according to them it does not happen and you can not talk about

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 04:05 PM Chaim Says:

While in the past Nuchem Rosenberg was never taken seriously - because he always attacked everyone and everything under the sun - perhaps in this case he indeed hit the jackpot!

But in general, he does not appear to be a credible individual.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 04:37 PM chayimka Says:

Oh, how sadly happy I am to see a politician of note taking charge. My son was molested as a young boy in A Chassidishe Yeshiva and kept the anguish and shame to himself until he went off the derech in his teens. When he gained confidence through therapy to confront his molester YES, STILL A REBBI IN THE SAME MOISSED, the man was fired after failing a lie detector test, ONLY TO BE RE-HIRED WITH IMPUNITY BY THE SAME MOISSED AS A SUMMER REBBI!!!! (With the explicit heter of several Rabbonim).
Dov Hikind, you should be the right shliach to protect Yiddishe children from our Chinuch system - where these pedophiles are given priority over the safety of these Neshomos.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 05:07 PM Anonymous Says:

i hope someone really does something there are some rabonim who beleive these rebbeim are murderers and you have a right to destroy them yes they have families who didnt do anything wrong so we need to be carefull but its time to start smashing some heads

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 05:47 PM Shaindy Says:

Dov you have my vote for LIFE.. By taking head on this very important issue you will be saving LIVES for generations to come. This is picuach Nefesh on the same level as a Hatzalah call. Dov you have earned my vote and my family that will make sure to support your effort untill moshiach

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:

I wonder how he voted on the bill mandating background checks in parochial schools. Aguda was against it.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 06:05 PM Anonymous Says:

I agree 1000% if not for rabbi nuchem rosenberg shlita this whole project would never come up & abunch of our young children would suffer. CHOI Lechoi R' nuchem keep it up!dont be affraid hashem is with you all the way & the biggest simen is look what happining dov hikind is starting a help line. and to you DOV aderaba lets see what you can do go on and dont dissapoint us!!! best wishes

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 06:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Gentlemen,

I was the first poster thsi morning. Why am I seeing all these idiots slamming dov. Do you know what we went through?! Do you have any concept of what we had to endure coupled with the fact that we were deemed rabbi haters when all we did was try to go to the people in charge and tell them that R X was touching us and hurting us and then to be greated by a slap in the face and a warning not to repeat wht we had said ever again?! SHAME ON YOU ALL! This man is trying to help, trying to force the commubnity to realize that the tolerance of these abusers and protecting them (under the auspices of protecting theri families from shame and the yeshiva from being known having a molester in their midst) is SHFICHAS DAMIM!!!!!!!!!!!! dO YOU THINK WE MAKE THIS STUFF UP?! DO YOU THINK I CARE ABOUT RUINING A MOISOD FOR NO PORPOSE! Shame on you. Do you think Klall yisroel protedted a murderer in the times of the bais hamikdosh, because they didint want to embarrass his family. No! A crime is a crime, and this crimes affects people for years and never goes away. Shame on the rabbonim that turned us away adding insult to injury. i can forgive the molester (maybe) but I can NEVER EVER forgeive the principal that treated me like a dog telling me I was a liar, menuval and making my parents believe him rather than me. DOV, CHAZAK UBARUCH! Protect future kids by forcng the klall that it is not bettr to protect others rather than their children

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 06:33 PM Anonymous Says:

thank you dov its way to late but better later then never,by the way if you like it or not all credit is for RABBI NOCHUM ROSENBERG even that the way he is inforcing it might not be the clean way as young kids hear all but 1)they anyway find out 2)YOTZO HEFSEIDO BISCHORO thank you again rabbi nochum and dov

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

I think this guys a herooo..........why would someone disagree with what hes doing ? i listened last week for the first time what he says is right belive if chas vesholom somone touches my kid i would kill him so he has point all the stories have been brushed under the carpet for long enough!I think you should listen to Lipa's song "wake up" .Maybe he stands up for those induviduals who don't have a voice;
Nice of him to build Mikvo's.
Whats bothering the "RA - BONIM" is that hes going after them for not doing their communal responsibilities.
So they do what all good "RA - BONIM" do and BAN HIM.
Now i wont disagree with you that he's a bit off the wall, but people like him is what it takes to get things to change - "think"........

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 06:37 PM Anonymous Says:

EVERYBODY here knocks Nuchem , but no one even addressed the issues of molestation. Find me one letter from one chassidsher rov or rebbe telling us and admitting to us that YES there is a problem and here is how to take care of the prob;lem. Nuchem is the only one speaking out because no one is doing a damn thing about it. Bottom line ~When it hurts you scream .~ You wanna shut him up then come up with a solution . First solution is addmitting to the problem.
Nuchem Your the BEST. I would switch any day with your olam habah!

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 06:48 PM jakester Says:

guys cut the crap whether nochum or dov are not reliable makes no difference reality is that there is a problem that needs to be dealt with and if you cant deal with it wait till it happens to youre kids and then you will be the so called crazy guy bc you will be screaming bloody murder call it what it is and get over the fact that they may not be the greatest people but at least they call it what it is a damn big problem thank you dov you r a tzadik thank you so much

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 07:12 PM Furious!! Says:

Chayimka, I am so angry, I am literally shaking!! How can a moised rehire such a rebbe!! He needs job!?! Needs parnosa to support his family?!? Let him get a job with paperwork - NOT Children!!! NESHOMOS are at stake here!! LIVES!!! Future generations who can be affected because of the trauma of molestation!!!
Try to call Dov Hikind and give him the name of the Rebbe and the moised - he wants to help, is able to do so, and is extremely competent!!

Hatzlocha!!!

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Dov has gotten involved in the past with specific molesters forcing them to get out of chinuch and into therapy under threat of going to the slammer. And unlike many rabbis who attempt to make these deals, he followed through with it in monitoring the abusers progress. Unfortunatley there are many rabbis and community leaders who protect the molester more than the kids.

I agree with the earlier post that encouraged Dov to back the Senate passed law of mandated background checks. The Agudas Yisroel is fighting this together with the Catholic Church. I wish all frum parents would call the Agudah and ask why they protect molesters rights over childrens. But I'm afraid parents won't do this so we need Dov to make a real kiddush Hashem and show the whole world what frum Jews are really like. We protect our children FIRST, and our rabbis and Agudah second.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 08:01 PM Anonymous Says:

I see from all these posts that people have issues and specific people that they know are molesters were molesters and may have even been molested themselves. Give this information to Dov that awy he can investigate why these guys are still around children if they are. he is not afraid to investigate anf force these guys to stay away form children and stope doing what they are doing regardless which 'rabbi' protects them

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 08:15 PM Asher Lipner, Ph.D. Says:

Yasher Koach to Dov for addressing this issue on his show. As people have pointed out, it is not important about the credibility or character of one individual's intentions when they are doing the right thing.

Those of us working in the mental health field all know that sexual abuse of children is a common occurence in our community just like in any other community. The exact numbers and prevalence have not yet been established. For this our community will need to care enough about the problem to fund and assist psychologists to study our community and give them access to large groups of people who will participate in studies.

In the meantime, what we see in our practices is more than enough pain and suffering to warrant a strong community response by each and every Jew to become educated, aware and involved in protecting children.

Unfortuantely the lack of publicity, that is often attributed to tznius, chilul hashem, lashon hara, etc. casues several problem already enumerated by other writers and commenters:

A) It creates a breeding ground for criminals who know that in our community the silence protects them. This is why studies in Israel DO show that there is more molestation in Bnei Brak then any other city. Because if someone touches a kid in Tel Aviv they fear going to jail, but molesters will move into Bne Brak knowing that the laws of chillul hashem, mesira, lashon hara, etc. and the community's taboo and silence will protect them.

B)Secondly, it is much, much harder for victims to heal in a society that encourages them to keep their trauma secret. They feel ashamed enough as it is to have endured the degradation of sexual abuse. They fear reprisals by their abusers and those community leaders that seek to protect the community's name. There are even cases of frum therapists that have not believed people who were molested by rabbis because they could not accept the fact that a rabbi could do that. We as a society need the issue to be aired publicly in order for victims to trust us and get the help and support they need.

So good work Dov, and good work VIN in breaking down the walls of denial and secrecy that impede our community from conquering the problem once and for all.

lipnera@gmail.com

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 08:19 PM Asher Lipner, Ph.D. Says:

I did not mean to say, Chas V'shalom that Dov Hikind has any but the absolut best intentions and character. I know him and his wife Shani personally as very good friends who do Chessed constantly and have a full Shabbos table of guests every week, of which I have been fortunate to attend. Many of the guests are regular people in need of a place for Shabbos.

I just meant to say that the issue here is much bigger than Dov, Nachum Rosenberg, me or you or anyone else. So people should please stay focused on the issue which is Hatzalas Nfashos of Jewish Children.

Asher

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 08:23 PM Rabbi Lebovic Says:

We should ban those sick people, but to belief and decide who is the guy, you must follow the Torah regulations. Every false step, can lead to pikach nefoshois.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 08:24 PM Anonymous Says:

It is understandable,tht Hikind will not publicly
acknowledge,Nuchem Rosenberg,as he wants to keep his rapport with Ra bonim,But even a blind and deaf can see it.
THE CREDIT BELONGS TO NUCHEM ROSENBER SHLITA.
CHAZAK V'AMATZ.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Psychotherapist Yoni Hikind, LMSW
Conflict of interest? nepotism?

DON'T KNOCK IT!! DID YOU COME FORWARD TO HELP?? ALL THESE MOLESTERS NAMES , YES RABBEIM AND ALL SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC. LOSHON HORAH DOES NOT APPLY - IT IS PEKUACH NEFESH. MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE CHILDREN OF THESE MOLESTERS. THEIR NAMES SHOULD BE PUBLICIZED IN SHULS SO THAT THE CHILDREN SHOULD KNOW WHO TO STAY AWAY FROM

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 10:33 PM Anonymous Says:

How is it possible on this thread that there is no credit given to UOJ??

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 10:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reb NUchem the dorrs of gen ideam is open for you and look the ra banim banned him that he is not alloowed to daven in a shul can anybody understand how in the world the ra banim can do such a think they are loosing the credibilty of the peaple i hope next issue reb that reb Nuchim keeps on yelling will be addressed is the yeshiva problem where we all know Nuchim is corrrect and somethink has to be done reb Nuchim CHAZAK from the dept of my heart

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:25 PM AW Says:

Yasher Koach Dov:

I knbow Rabbi Nuchom Rosenberg personally. He is a very serious and caring person. He grew up in the Chassiddic world and he is being punished only because he exposed and brought to the forefront this issue. When he spoke with the Rabbonim, they told him to mind his own business and shut up.

This was unacceptable to him. Ruin lives and have the Rabbonim cover it up. His hotline is clean. The Rabbonim wanted to continue to sweep this issue under the carpet and hated him for exposing them. That is why he was banned.

Do boys listen to the hotline? For sure. But therte is no menuvolus. Our Rabbonim say this only to protect themselves. It is important for bochurim to hear his message and warnings.

These Rabbonim are like the mafia and if you start with them they will destroy you anyway they can. Nuchom desreves all the credit for this being the issue of our times. Without he exposing this painful issue, we would still not have this renewal of hotline and help. He knows the Chassiddic system and knew that the only way to tackle this was direct talk and exposing it. Even if it is painful and hurts the Rabbonim. This is not his faul, but the Rabbonim's fault for not working with him.

Again, thanks to you NR and I wish I had your zchus in Gan Eiden. Atleast now everyone knows the truth and we can help these unfortunate boys. If now the Rabbonim will not cooperate, they need to be put in Cherem and imprisoned. Too many lives have been destroyed.

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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Is'nt it sad how everything comes down to Kavod?
This horrific problem has been in our society for generations {as victims themselves have written}B'H we are not going to take it anymore!
It has now been brought to the surface and seeing Rabbeim being brought to justice as well hopefully will uninhibit a vicim to come forward. and now someone publicly said I am here to help you, I BELIEVE YOU!! this is the 1st step we needed! It's not to late, unfortunitly many have experienced the trauma of abuse that's true but as I look at my children I say it ends here.....NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
So again, lets get passed the Kavod thing! just as long as it's getting done!....and always listen to your children it might be hard to confront a Rebbe but its your achrayis to protect you child!


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 Jul 30, 2008 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Thank you R'Nuchem. Keep up the good work.
its because of you.

if not you going on Zev Brenner" show Dov would not do all this

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM Anonymous Says:

DOV IS JUST TRYING TO JUMP THE BAND WAGON AND THEN TAKE THE CREDIT.

RABBI ROSENBERG DESERVES THE CREDIT

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 01:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Why would agudah be against protecting children from potential molesters? Can someone explain why DAAth Torah would not want our children protected?

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 06:50 AM Anonymous Says:

check with hikind in a few weeks find out if he still remembers this issue

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 08:07 AM Anonymous Says:

I write this as an askan in the field. Let me explain a few of the points that are behind the strong resistance of Rabbonim. These need to be considered, or else we will continue to push for change and get nowhere.

First – the belief is that rabbinic abuse is a tiny fraction of all cases of abuse. There are no statistics, and I have no idea whether this is true or not. The push to address the molestation issue is seen as being heavily focused on chinuch, and the Rabbonim believe that this is way off target by focusing on too small a percentage to matter. According to their perception, people will ignore much larger proportions of the problem.

Second – The understanding of Rabbonim about the activism that is happening is that there is a zealousness that will malign any rebbe or mechanech accused of abuse long before there has been any verification that it even happened. That is grossly unfair to the innocent rebbe who is the victim of a false report. Rabbonim believe that the common statement, “I’ll get you (him), and fabricate a report on child abuse” is much more common than we think. I have heard menahalim complain that any class that does not like their rebbe will create such a bilbul and destroy his life forever. Do bear in mind that molestation is a serious safety issue, aside from being sensational to the media. Any indication that something is amiss will provoke much intervention to remove the accused from the school situation, publicizing everything in the goyishe media, creating massive chilul Hashem, destroying the rebbe’s reputation and that of his family, and there has been no verification that anything even happened! There is strong fear that the secular media will portray all of our chinuch as ridden with molesters, which is certainly untrue.

Third – actually an extension of the last comment, doing anything dramatic will provide every talmid yeshiva with a weapon, use of the criminal justice system and the media, and this shifts the balance of power in a yeshiva away from the administrators and faculty to the students. This could easily be a hotly debated issue, and this evokes some discussion about the true tachlis of chinuch. But this is one of the profound fears here.

I don’t know what the answer is, but I hope that Dov will conduct the type of activism that involves working with the system, not against it. I feel the Rabbonim are ignoring too much, but we will accomplish nothing by creating mechanisms that undermine their authority or bash them.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 08:44 AM Devora Says:

Rabbi Rosenberg I wish your place in Gan eden. That you were able to make a groundswell in this serious problem is an enormous mitsvah. be strong and continue on the good fight to the end .Hashem knows the emes. you speak the truth ,you do not seek personal koved do not get discouraged by the detracters who only mean themselfs

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 09:06 AM Dovid Says:

Rabbi Rosenberg IS a TZADIK for bringing this to the surface
דער הייליגער רשב"א שרייבט א לשון וואס מען נוצט
אסאך "מפרסמין עושי מצוה"
איך וויל דא אויסדרוקן בשם כל ישראל א הארציגן דאנק פאר אידן וואס האבן מורא'דיג מזכה געווען את הרבים, אידן וואס האלטן אינמיטן אריינברענגען נייע פאזיטיווע זאכן אין כלל ישראל

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 09:22 AM to the anonymous askan of 8:07 Says:

Firstly, even if the chinuch issue of molestation is only a small fraction, that does not make it acceptable. So what kind of excuse is that. People will focus on the issue when the leadership does and when the yeshivas who they look to guidance do. I know a rebby who asked me "why are so many people molesting?" and I told him that as long as his yeshiva continued to cover up for a mashgiach that was doing it then how can you ask that about the average joe.

Secondly, In the yeshivah in Brooklyn that harbored a molester for 40 years, this was one of their big arguments as well. One rabbi who asked the hanhalla to throw out the molester was told "and next they'll accuse you and me". This fear is first of all cowardly and lacking any measure of bitachon. You allow kids to be molested due to fear of "what will be afterwards"? The reason this has not happened is not because the denial of the community but because as Dr. Pelcowitz has said 99% of all kids complaints about abuse are true, and in our community it is higher thatn that because of the incredible shame of admitting you weree molested. Also, if the rabbis were to cooperate with the authorities, a quiet investigation would easily determine the truth of the allegations.

Thirdly: This is the first open admission of the real reason the rabbis don't want to address this. They are afraid of losing power. It is incredible that their concern for their own power will allow them to stand by idly as their brothers are murdered. This itself is a type of abuse of power not unlike child sexual abuse itself. They were given power to use to help people not to abuse people in order to hold on to power.

This explanation makes it hard to see how Dov Hikind is going to get anywhere with these rabbis. Maybe by reading your post on the air, he can show their misguided and abusive attitudes and people will demand change from their own rabbis.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 09:50 AM Yankel Says:

The real question should be, did Nuchem Rosenberg bring up this issue l'shem sha'mayim or just against the rabonim. Get the point "Mitzvah Goreret Mitzvah, Averah Goreret Averah" if it was L'shem Sha'mayim the outcome should be great results and to his credit. If it was L'hachis (against) the rabonim it wouldn't lead to any good, and he also gets the credit.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 09:50 AM Yankel Says:

The real question should be, did Nuchem Rosenberg bring up this issue l'shem sha'mayim or just against the rabonim. Get the point "Mitzvah Goreret Mitzvah, Averah Goreret Averah" if it was L'shem Sha'mayim the outcome should be great results and to his credit. If it was L'hachis (against) the rabonim it wouldn't lead to any good, and he also gets the credit.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM chayimka Says:

Dear Furious and all other posters: FYI my son was not the only victim of this Rebbi, there were others too! After the Rebbi was fired (after failing the polygraph test) we all hoped for our son to begin healing, but all was lost when the Moissed re-hired this Rebbi for the summer and plan to re-hire him in September. You can imagine that my son is not sitting on this and Chaval, Chaval our community will again be treated to a huge Chilul Hashem in the near future - a media expose of our community's COVER-UP of heimishe pedophiles in the Chinuch system. I have been to many Rabbonim and Dayanim hoping to head off this Chilul Hashem - but there is no one out there - we are leaderless!!!!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 10:54 AM mashgyach Says:

all this was ritten by nuchem r"b
Yasher Koach Dov:

I knbow Rabbi Nuchom Rosenberg personally. He is a very serious and caring person. He grew up in the Chassiddic world and he is being punished only because he exposed and brought to the forefront this issue. When he spoke with the Rabbonim, they told him to mind his own business and shut up.

This was unacceptable to him. Ruin lives and have the Rabbonim cover it up. His hotline is clean. The Rabbonim wanted to continue to sweep this issue under the carpet and hated him for exposing them. That is why he was banned.

Do boys listen to the hotline? For sure. But therte is no menuvolus. Our Rabbonim say this only to protect themselves. It is important for bochurim to hear his message and warnings.

These Rabbonim are like the mafia and if you start with them they will destroy you anyway they can. Nuchom desreves all the credit for this being the issue of our times. Without he exposing this painful issue, we would still not have this renewal of hotline and help. He knows the Chassiddic system and knew that the only way to tackle this was direct talk and exposing it. Even if it is painful and hurts the Rabbonim. This is not his faul, but the Rabbonim's fault for not working with him.

Again, thanks to you NR and I wish I had your zchus in Gan Eiden. Atleast now everyone knows the truth and we can help these unfortunate boys. If now the Rabbonim will not cooperate, they need to be put in Cherem and imprisoned. Too many lives have been destroyed.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 10:56 AM mashgyach Says:

this was also writen by nuchem r"b
Dovid Says:
Rabbi Rosenberg IS a TZADIK for bringing this to the surface
דער הייליגער רשב"א שרייבט א לשון וואס מען נוצט
אסאך "מפרסמין עושי מצוה"
איך וויל דא אויסדרוקן בשם כל ישראל א הארציגן דאנק פאר אידן וואס האבן מורא'דיג מזכה געווען את הרבים, אידן וואס האלטן אינמיטן אריינברענגען נייע פאזיטיווע זאכן אין כלל ישראל

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 11:28 AM Sara Says:

"mashgyach" why are you knocking Reb Nuchem rosenberg? He is doing a great super deed..He is sticking his neck out .most poeple would never do it..I give him a lot of credit, dont knock him

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 11:34 AM Gershon Says:

Dov, calm down & go back to the train platform problems.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 11:51 AM wife of an abused molester Says:

Is something being done for the molesters??? They didn't become who they are by accident they usually have issues and were usually molested as children themselves. Yoshe Koach Dov for breaking the cycle.
I hope in your quest for a solution something effective will be done to help the abusers heal and do teshuva (and they certainly should never be in a feild of work with children)

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 12:33 PM Mendel Says:

Nuchem buy a new hat

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 08:36 PM Rabbanim, rabbanim Says:

Not all rabbanim are molesters.

Some just cover up for others.

Some don't actively cover up but passively refuse to speak out about cases of cover up like the high profile cases in our community that have already made the goyishe press but we still are in denial.


All the rabbanim are good for are:

Sending kids to abusive bootcamps in Jamaica, banning music concerts, getting Hillary elected in order to get a few gangsters out of jail, protecting the owners of the meat factory where there was the biggest arrest of illegal workers (who were abused like the animals) in U.S. history, fighting alongside the Catholic church to stop laws that force yeshivas to stop covering up abuse, Publicly denouncing bloggers who were successful in getting a rebby who molested for 40 years out of his job in a brooklyn yeshivah, confering Kavod on the man who protected said molester for 40 years (and continues to pay him money) by letting him do the hadran at the siyum hashas, encouraging him to start a branch of his yeshiva/molestation factory in Lakewood, and sign together with him on the infamous concert ban, discourage people from going to the Washington rally in 2001 where it was also a matter of pikuach nefesh, laundering money for hundreds of people putting all of these family men in danger of going to jail, most likely, where the rabbis will actually help them get cholov yisroel and pas yisroel and yashan on the american tax payer's dollar.

The first comment differentiated between the good rabbis and the bad. But its like good and bad Muslims, l'havdil. Where are the so-called good muslims who should be condemning 9/11 and terrorism? Where are the so-called good rabbis who speak out openly against molestation adn for the need to change the system?

Where have all the gedolim gone?


Nachum Rosenberg is the Chasidish UOJ and Dov Hikind is shaping up to be the Albany version. It's like a contest now of who could expose the most molesters thereby keeping the most children safe. "Kinas Sofrim Tarbeh Chachmah." Let's keep score:

UOJ: 6

Mondrowitz
Kolko
Eiseman
Lazerovitz
Colmer
A. Tendler

Dov: 0

Nachum: 0 as far as I know.

But the contest is just starting. Who will save more Jewish children from the hell of molestation?
07-31-2008 - 8:34 PM

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 10:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Anon 8;36

I was the first poster. there are plenty good rabbonim. Dont be a rabbi hater just because you went through a corrupt sytem. so did I and i got over it.
Anyways the more we protest the more children we will save

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 04:14 AM to the anonymous askan of 8:07 Says:

To the last anon who was the first poster:

If you say there are plenty of good rabbanim, please name one who is out there saving children by admitting publicly that people need to go to the police. And if you can name one, can you name five? Out of how many???? We live in Sdom where you cannot even find a minyan of good people like Dov who will save children by speaking out against sexual abuse.

In Baltimore there were a whole group of rabbis who signed a letter saying that they have botched it up for years. But since then, nothing has been done. The only thing they did was have an evening for parents in which they told them to teach their kids to protect themselves. It was like "How to keep you kids safe from predator rebbes, because WE sure as hell won't!"

Show me a few good rabbis who actually call the police themselves. Rabbi Blau? Rabbi Dratch? Rabbi Smason from St. Louis? They are all YU or RCA rabbis, I believe (I'm not sure about Smason). But we have thousands of rabbanim who turn a blind eye, cover up, neglect and abandon the kinder. It is almost becoming disgraceful to call yourself an Orthoodox rabbi. Like a Catholic priest who when walking down the street, mothers take their kids to the oppostite side. What a disgrace!

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 Oct 03, 2008 at 04:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

The first thing Dov needs to work on is getting the Assembly to pass the bill that was approved by the State Senate last year. This bill calls for mandatory background checks and fingerprinting for all prospective private school employees, as well as a sex offender registry. These are all mandatory in the public school system. The bill has been waiting passage in the Assembly since June 2007. Another important issue is mandatory reporting by private schools.

Are these measures not yet law? I work in a private school, and I was fingerprinted last year. It stands to reason that all safety measures taken by public schools should be required of private schools as well. It means more paperwork that some may consider burdensome, but consider how much is at stake!

I feel that if this bill does not pass, I should chain myself to the Assembly building, or do something equally dramatic. Could the original poster please explain how to track the bill through the Assembly?

I am glad Dov Hikind is taking an interest in this issue. But I agree with those who say that a hotline, though welcome, does not deal directly with the problem. After all these years (decades? centuries?), the burden is still on the victim to come forward. That's not easy to do when (1) you're a kid, (2) the person molesting you has power or authority over you, (3) you don't know whom to tell, (4) you don't even have words to describe what happened, and (5) you're afraid that if you do tell, you'll be disbelieved or even punished.

I'm shocked to hear that private schools are not mandatory reporters. In 2008, how can this be? I know the law varies state by state, but I would have thought that anyone in a position of authority with regard to children - teachers, camp counselors, staff of after-school programs and day care centers, even school bus drivers, would be a mandatory reporter. If this is not the law in NYS, then it should be! And we need to see some prosecutions for failure to report. That will wake people up.

One direct way I can think of to address this problem is to have some mandatory training for public and private school teachers - not too burdensome, maybe an hour or two - to recognize the signs of abuse and how to report it. That won't stop every case, but it would be a good start.

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 Oct 03, 2008 at 05:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Asher Lipner, Ph.D. Says:

Yasher Koach to Dov for addressing this issue on his show. As people have pointed out, it is not important about the credibility or character of one individual's intentions when they are doing the right thing.

Those of us working in the mental health field all know that sexual abuse of children is a common occurence in our community just like in any other community. The exact numbers and prevalence have not yet been established. For this our community will need to care enough about the problem to fund and assist psychologists to study our community and give them access to large groups of people who will participate in studies.

In the meantime, what we see in our practices is more than enough pain and suffering to warrant a strong community response by each and every Jew to become educated, aware and involved in protecting children.

Unfortuantely the lack of publicity, that is often attributed to tznius, chilul hashem, lashon hara, etc. casues several problem already enumerated by other writers and commenters:

A) It creates a breeding ground for criminals who know that in our community the silence protects them. This is why studies in Israel DO show that there is more molestation in Bnei Brak then any other city. Because if someone touches a kid in Tel Aviv they fear going to jail, but molesters will move into Bne Brak knowing that the laws of chillul hashem, mesira, lashon hara, etc. and the community's taboo and silence will protect them.

B)Secondly, it is much, much harder for victims to heal in a society that encourages them to keep their trauma secret. They feel ashamed enough as it is to have endured the degradation of sexual abuse. They fear reprisals by their abusers and those community leaders that seek to protect the community's name. There are even cases of frum therapists that have not believed people who were molested by rabbis because they could not accept the fact that a rabbi could do that. We as a society need the issue to be aired publicly in order for victims to trust us and get the help and support they need.

So good work Dov, and good work VIN in breaking down the walls of denial and secrecy that impede our community from conquering the problem once and for all.

lipnera@gmail.com

I realize that as evidence, this is pretty thin. But in my own mind, there is little doubt. I heard the change in the principal's voice when I asked about Rabbi X. If I blew my cover, he blew his. I believe he is still - STILL! - covering for Rabbi X, after all these years, He probably thinks he is protecting the school (it's conduct was negligent at the very least, criminal at worst).

Rabbi X eventually left education, never to return. I would love to find out the circumstances. I tracked him down and found out all I could about him. I found a fair amount of public information, but no charges, prosecutions, or convictions for molesting children.

Enough of my own story. The point is that pedophiles are sick people; perhaps they even have a claim to our sympathy (although they must be prevented from offending ever again). But those who deny and deny and continue to deny the pedophile's deeds - no matter who or what they think they're protecting - them I feel sorry for too, but for a different reason. If there is a Hell, they're going there.

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 Oct 03, 2008 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Asher Lipner, Ph.D. Says:

Yasher Koach to Dov for addressing this issue on his show. As people have pointed out, it is not important about the credibility or character of one individual's intentions when they are doing the right thing.

Those of us working in the mental health field all know that sexual abuse of children is a common occurence in our community just like in any other community. The exact numbers and prevalence have not yet been established. For this our community will need to care enough about the problem to fund and assist psychologists to study our community and give them access to large groups of people who will participate in studies.

In the meantime, what we see in our practices is more than enough pain and suffering to warrant a strong community response by each and every Jew to become educated, aware and involved in protecting children.

Unfortuantely the lack of publicity, that is often attributed to tznius, chilul hashem, lashon hara, etc. casues several problem already enumerated by other writers and commenters:

A) It creates a breeding ground for criminals who know that in our community the silence protects them. This is why studies in Israel DO show that there is more molestation in Bnei Brak then any other city. Because if someone touches a kid in Tel Aviv they fear going to jail, but molesters will move into Bne Brak knowing that the laws of chillul hashem, mesira, lashon hara, etc. and the community's taboo and silence will protect them.

B)Secondly, it is much, much harder for victims to heal in a society that encourages them to keep their trauma secret. They feel ashamed enough as it is to have endured the degradation of sexual abuse. They fear reprisals by their abusers and those community leaders that seek to protect the community's name. There are even cases of frum therapists that have not believed people who were molested by rabbis because they could not accept the fact that a rabbi could do that. We as a society need the issue to be aired publicly in order for victims to trust us and get the help and support they need.

So good work Dov, and good work VIN in breaking down the walls of denial and secrecy that impede our community from conquering the problem once and for all.

lipnera@gmail.com

I recently called the principal of the yeshiva I attended as a child. He's in his eighties now, but retains the title of "Principal Emeritus," and still keeps an office at the school. What I wanted was a list of the other boys in my class, to see if any of them could corroborate my memories. Of course, I didn't say so; I spoke in general terms of a reunion, etc.

We reminisced about boys we both remembered, after all these years. But when I mentioned the perpetrator - especially when I asked what his first name was (I had always called him simply Rabbi X) - I heard wariness creep into the principal's voice. He didn't seem anxious to continue talking about Rabbi X. I felt that I had blown my cover - that once I had asked the question, he instantly realized the real purpose of my call.

But he did promise to send me a list of the boys in my class. In a separate phone call, the office staff of the yeshiva promised to do the same. But after I was given two promises, in two separate phone conversations, by two separate people, each of whom was in a position to supply the list I asked for, I never got it. (Continued...)

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 Oct 03, 2008 at 05:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Asher Lipner, Ph.D. Says:

Yasher Koach to Dov for addressing this issue on his show. As people have pointed out, it is not important about the credibility or character of one individual's intentions when they are doing the right thing.

Those of us working in the mental health field all know that sexual abuse of children is a common occurence in our community just like in any other community. The exact numbers and prevalence have not yet been established. For this our community will need to care enough about the problem to fund and assist psychologists to study our community and give them access to large groups of people who will participate in studies.

In the meantime, what we see in our practices is more than enough pain and suffering to warrant a strong community response by each and every Jew to become educated, aware and involved in protecting children.

Unfortuantely the lack of publicity, that is often attributed to tznius, chilul hashem, lashon hara, etc. casues several problem already enumerated by other writers and commenters:

A) It creates a breeding ground for criminals who know that in our community the silence protects them. This is why studies in Israel DO show that there is more molestation in Bnei Brak then any other city. Because if someone touches a kid in Tel Aviv they fear going to jail, but molesters will move into Bne Brak knowing that the laws of chillul hashem, mesira, lashon hara, etc. and the community's taboo and silence will protect them.

B)Secondly, it is much, much harder for victims to heal in a society that encourages them to keep their trauma secret. They feel ashamed enough as it is to have endured the degradation of sexual abuse. They fear reprisals by their abusers and those community leaders that seek to protect the community's name. There are even cases of frum therapists that have not believed people who were molested by rabbis because they could not accept the fact that a rabbi could do that. We as a society need the issue to be aired publicly in order for victims to trust us and get the help and support they need.

So good work Dov, and good work VIN in breaking down the walls of denial and secrecy that impede our community from conquering the problem once and for all.

lipnera@gmail.com

[I've broken this post in two because it was too long. Please read the post below as well.]

Dr. Lipner,

Thank you for your very thoughtful post. I, too, believe Jews are no different from anyone else when it comes to pedophilia. (1) Pedophiles will always seek jobs that bring them into contact with children. That's why we find so many of them in schools. (2) The less the fear of consequences, the more likely that the behavior will recur.

Therefore, (1) Screen all hires at private as well as public schools, and (2) Encourage reporting and prosecution. Very simple.

I agree with those who are not as angry at the perpetrators as they are at those who enable them. I can find it in my heart to feel sorry for the rabbi who sadistically abused me for three long years. G-d knows what he lived through, to develop such a compulsion.

No, it's the enablers I find it hard to forgive. (Continued...)

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 Oct 03, 2008 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:

The above three posts are in reverse order. Start at the bottom and read up. Thank you.

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