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Rochester, MN - At Mayo Clinic, The Rabbi And Wife A Steady Presence With Heart For Patients and Families

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Rochester, MN - Mayo Clinic, 10 p.m. At her mother’s urging, a pale eighteen-year-old girl lies perfectly still on an exam table. Her heart condition is so severe and complex that she and her mother flew in from Tel Aviv for surgery.

“I am so relieved you are here,” the mother, also pale with jet lag and worry, said in Hebrew to Rabbi Dovid Greene. Without the Rochester’s Chabad representative, her communication with the doctor would falter inside a language gap. The nuances of her concerns would be lost without accurate translation into English and into the special speech ways only a native Minnesotan like Rabbi Greene could know.

As Rabbi Greene helped the Israeli patient and the doctor understand each other, his wife Chanie was cooking meals for patients hungering for a home-cooked meal, the only kosher food in a city where the nearest kosher restaurant is 75 miles away.

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Late as it was, being out at 10 p.m. wasn’t unusual for the Greenes. This year marks the twentieth anniversary of late nights. It’s been this way since they began as Chabad representatives serving the Jewish community of Rochester and the Jewish patients at the Mayo Clinic, because, according to Mayo Clinic neurologist Dr. Michael Silber, the Greenes “go to extreme lengths to help others.”

Harvard Medical School’s Family Health Guide describes emotional well-being and mental health as “major health issues in their own right. But they can also greatly affect physical health.” Researchers have correlated positive emotional states and better surgical outcomes, stronger immune systems. In this sense, the Greenes’ work can be said to augment the care provided to 250,000 patients at the Mayo Clinic each year.

“Rabbi Greene is warm, affable, a real treasure,” Jim Zane, a former clinic patient told Lubavitch.com. Still edgy from his struggle with a serious, life-threatening condition, Zane consented to a brief interview only because “Rabbi Greene made me feel loved, needed and wanted. He made me comfortable.”

Still later, back at his computer, a fresh screen of new email requests awaiting him. There were ten new patients asking for his help this week, a sliver of the estimated 1100 who come into contact with the Greenes each year; a psychiatrist from out of the country is hoping Rabbi Greene can tell him where to find a short-term apartment for his stay after surgery (his response takes into account his expert knowledge of options for different budgets, insurance coverage details); a rabbi writes that a Jewish inmate will become a patient at the nearby Federal Medical Center. (Rabbi Greene offers to visit him on his regular rounds); a Mayo consulting surgeon inquires when Rabbi Greene will be available to help with additional Hebrew translating (Rabbi Greene makes time); a full-time Rochester resident inquires about an upcoming fast day (Rabbi Greene clarifies a point of observance).

“The patients who come all the way out here are courageous. They have exhuasted the abilities of their local doctors and specialists, and are still hopeful,” said Rabbi Greene. “What we do is see what they need. We do not seek to offer them answers or give them advice. We are there to listen, to be family.”

Offering presence is how Rabbi Greene, using the lingo of his nearly complete clinical pastoral education, sums up his mission. But offering food is a goodly part of the Greenes’ connection with patients. On a quiet Friday night, ten people – mostly family members of Clinic patients – gathered round the Greenes’ Shabbat table, alongside their five children. For those too weak or too hooked up to beeping machines to leave their beds, Mrs. Greene delivered meals prepared with their diet restrictions in mind. (Her chicken soups are always salt free, because so many patients are on low sodium regimens.) Preparing hundreds of meals a week from the Chabad House kitchen requires big pots and patience; a commercial kitchen is a long awaited dream.

It’s Rabbi Greene’s willingness to help and Mrs. Greene’s food that comes to mind when Pnina Arbsfeld of New York City recalls the weeks she spent in Rochester at her aunt’s bedside, before and after emergency open heart surgery. “There is no kosher food in Rochester. Anything I needed or anything my aunt needed, the Greenes were running and bringing,” said Arbsfeld. When Arbsfeld’s aunt regained consciousness from the anesthesia, and jello was the only food allowed, it was a cherry flavored crimson bowlful from the Greene’s kitchen that she ate.

Providing what people need most is what has driven the Greene’s work in Rochester. It’s why the community made it a priority to build a mikvah, which allows families to maintain a sense of normalcy. It’s also why Rabbi Greene, son of Professor Velvl Greene of Ben Gurion University, doesn’t deliver lectures. Doctors and hospital employees have had it up to here with lectures. Discussion, the give and take of individual study sessions are what they hunger for.

Living in a community that embraces so many visitors from the clinic added a dimension long time resident Jill Grunewald did not expect to find in south Minnesota. “We may be a small Jewish community, but it doesn’t appear so because we get people from all over the world here. [The Greenes] are so giving and tirelessly welcoming you get introduced to a visitor and you feel like they’ve been here forever,” said Grunewald.

Community members have caught some of the Greenes’ spirit. Before heading into the Twin Cities for kosher shopping, Rochester residents will ask for patients’ shopping lists and pick up hard to find items. They drive visiting patients to their clinic appointments, and pray for the sick each week. To Grunewald, the camaraderie brings back memories of get-togethers with her mom’s eight siblings and station wagons full of cousins. “Everyone pitches in, and if something needs to be done, it’s done.”

After two decades of working with patients, the Greenes are working to build even closer ties with Mayo Clinic’s ever-changing community. They want to make life easier for patients with simple things like a kosher vending machine to offer round the clock nourishment for those in need, and big things like apartments where patients and families can stay without sacrificing a Jewish atmosphere.

As they devote the next years to bring those to fruition, they will continue following the Torah’s prescription for a meaningful life: Love your fellow as you love yourself.

To contact Rabbi or Mrs. Greene, call 507-288-7500.


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 Jul 31, 2008 at 04:56 PM Chaim S. Says:

Only comment I can make is WOW! BH we have such amazingly dedicated people who are mamish moiser nefesh day and night for klal yisroel. Kein yirbu.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 05:19 PM truly touched Says:

This is truly amazing. I was once at the greenes house in Rochester and without them I would have gone hungry. While i was there going through multiple procedures the help and encouragement that i received from them was very touching. Erev shabbos i received a care package with shabbos food and Rebbetzin Greenes amazing gefilte fish-from her fathers store in brooklyn. As soon as i got home i made sure to find the raskins gefilte fish that reminded me so much of my mothers. All i can say is yashor koach and hatzlacha to the Greenes and to all the things they do.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 05:27 PM A FRUM MINNESOTAN Says:

Rabbi & Reb. Greene! You don't need a write up here in St. Paul, we know what you guys do on a daily basis to help klal yisroael..Keep up the good work..You make all of us here in MN proud..

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 05:44 PM reb noach shlita Says:

It is nice to see the true legacy of the Lubavitcher Rebbe !!!!!!!!!!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 05:45 PM Anonymous Says:

there is really not much to say because it would be endless.... but mi keamchu yisroel.... this is called ahavas yisroel and ahavas habrius..... may hashem give strength to the greenes to continue helping out other ppl.... may we never have to come on to them is such situations only for good..... but keep up the great work!!!!!

p.s. if someone has information where we can send donations to it would be greatly appreciated... this is definitely a great cause to contribute....

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 05:55 PM anonymous Says:

wow this is amazing --i see that there is a number in which you can contact the greenes see the ned of the article-there is a number provided!
kol hakavoad!!!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 06:10 PM mnachem Says:

loi almon ysreal

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 06:30 PM Zhalmen Says:

Dovid and Chani Green are like Avrohom Avinu and Sarah, their house is open from all sides, the best food!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi and Mrs Green. We are all very proud of your work and so is Hasham!!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 06:38 PM Tzvi Says:

Chani and Dovid Greene are the best.
Their house is open for everyone.
Please – don't forget to help them with your donations

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 06:45 PM Chaim Says:

Chani and Dovid Greene and their family live in Rochester Minnesota
They have Mesirus nefesh (self sacrifice), spreading Yiddiskeit as Shluchim (emissaries) of the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
Moshiach Now!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 07:12 PM Hesh Says:

Amazing amazing people! They should continue to have Seyata Deshmaya to continue helping Acheinu Bnei Yisroel for many years to come.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 07:31 PM Chatzkel Says:

Fifty years ago (1958) the Lubavitcher Rebbe stated that Lubavitch work is:
"UFARATZTA YAMA VAKEIDMA VITZAFONA VANEGBA"
Part of this "UFARATZTA" – is Chabad in Rochester Minnesota!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 07:34 PM Sarah Says:

This is the Address for Lubavitch of Rochester
Rabbi D. Greene
730 2nd Street SW
Rochester, MN 55902

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 08:38 PM Mechy Says:

As a non Lubavitcher:
I once had to pass by Rochester minisota, and I met these wonderful peopol – Rabbi Dovid and Rebbitzin Chanie Green,
And, It's amazing to see how this family moved away from New York City to a city where there is no Yiddishkeit, no kosher food, It is not easy to raise Children in such an environment,
And nevertheless they do this Chesed with so much Love.
May Hashem Bless them with whatever they need.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Nice! How can I donate online ? I have had 14 operations in NYC, LA, Miami etc.. but never out there.. still I am awed by the work they do!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 08:57 PM important1 Says:

Having benifited from chabad numerous times, including milan italy, its not a very big surprise to me!

But what brought me to tears, is the magnitude of their Chesed!
So many years, So many hours in the day, So many services, etc..!
Its a breath of frash air.
Rabbi & Rebetzin Greene: you make us proud! And yes, you make me jelous! and IY"H, I"ll try to act on this jelousy, & try to copy you just a little bit.
Hatzluche Rabe!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 09:02 PM Yechiel Says:

• important1 Says:
"Having benifited from chabad numerous times, including milan italy, its not a very big surprise to me!"

And I say – each time I visit A Chabad Shliach it excites me again.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 09:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Lots of Hatzlacha – Ad Bias Goel Tzedek, Moshiach Tzidkeinu!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:

great work
Hatzlocho

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:

May Hashem repay them and all of Klal Yisroel by "putting them out of business" - they should not be needed in the way that they are needed, by so many cholim
Moshiach Now!

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 10:31 PM Emes Says:

Wish these people were around 39 years ago when my father A"H was there and no one was available for help or chizuk.

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 Jul 31, 2008 at 11:53 PM Anonymous Says:

chabad to the rescue....again!
what the rebbe foresaw!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:01 AM robroy560 Says:

I hope to never go to the Mayo Clinic, but yasher koach to these excellent people. May G-D bless them and their family for their chesed and love of k'lal yisroel.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Words alone can not express the gratitude to the Greenes. They are the Ner Tamid of Yidishkeit in the desolete prairie land of Rochester MN. My son was in Mayo for over a month many years ago and Rabbi Greene and his wife were always there helping with whatever they could be it food for Shabbos or a friendly Yiddish face and someone to talk to, They are nothing short of amazing. They embody the qualities all Yidden should strive to attain. Thank you for publiclly recognizing such special people. I can not imagine what it would have been like to be in Rocheter without them. May we never need the skill & talent of the MD's at Mayo CLinic but if we should lo'alenu, know full well that we will not be alone in the midbar of Minnesota, the bright, caring smiling face of Rabbi Greene will be there with his Rebbitzen to aid us in our recovery. HaKodesh Baruchu should continue to send bountiful blessings to these very very special emeserries of the Rebbe z'TzL

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 07:15 AM Anonymous Says:

I was in the hospital (not in Rocheter) a few months ago. I had a few shaalous regarding davening and/or shabbos. Neither of the 2 shluchim knew the answers. I had to phone out to a rov who was not an am haarets to find out the psak.
Chabad is wonderful. But, I wish they learned the later achroinim, instead of attempting to pasken from the Alter Rebbe' shulchan aruch. They were well intended good people, but ignorant as a door knob.

Then they began (without reshus from me) to COMMAND the nursing staff about what to do with me (according to their misunderstanding of halacha, and their totally failed undersanding of my condition.). It took me much effort and a few really hot fights to undo their mixing in.

Shluchim, you all mean well. I love you. You are good people. But PLEASE get the choleh's permission before speaking to hospital staff.... that includes, doctors, nurses and all staff. Family also .... PLEASE

And, when you come to visit, please do not annoy the nursing staff.... and please do not talk so loud as to wake up the person in the adjacent bed.

Also, if you smoked during the hour or two before coming .... STAY HOME. I and others like me would rather not see a guest, rabbi or not, than have a smoke smelling visitor.

Another point, and please take no offense, but please change your clothes more frequently. Can you imagine how embarrasing it is to have the gentile room mate ask, "Who were those people? I smelled them across the room." and he was right.

Please do not come visiting wearing that jacket you have rolled up and used as a seat cushion. If you can't press your clothes, clean clothes, before you come, stay home, and stop making a chillul Hashem.

We all know you mean well. But, there is an old expression, "The road to H--l is paved with good intentions."

So, my friends, shower, .... with soap.
Put on clean clothes, not smelly and wrinkled clothes. BE equally polite to the gentile in the other bed, no matter what his race.
Avoid whispered racial comments in yiddish.
Do not mix into our treatment, unless asked to.

And, leave your cheap Tefillin Peshtos home! After one of you promised the nurse that you would bring me tefillin daily, she tried to me send my beautiful gassos home! That caused another major fight. If you insist on carrying tefillin wherever you go, please keep them in an enclosed brief case, and don't take them out until THE PATIENT AGREES.

SO, thank you for your loving visits, but it is not about YOU. It is not about Chabad. It is not about the rebbe. It is about the choleh!

Oh, and NEVER ANSWER THE DOCTOR'S OR STAFF'S HALACHIC QUESTIONS. IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS. I already had permission to light real Shabbos lecht, until one of you told the doctors that I could use the room light! They then too away my real lecht!
I had persmission to have my rebetzin bring me daily food from the house, until you told them their pre-packaged food was kosher enough. Sorry, it was never kosher enough for me, and I did not eat for the last 3 days before my discharge, and I wound up leaving against their wishes.

When you butt in without being asked to, you can harm a patient.

Also, many of you are knowledgeable in issur v'heter, but are not qualified poskim.
Many patients have their posek programmed into the cell phone, and must follow what he says. Don't YOU mix in, and especially don't tell the staff that the patient is too machmir!

We all love you. We all know you mean well, but PLEASE be careful what you do, what you say, and how you say it.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 07:36 AM Moshe Says:

this last comment about the shluchim comes after a full page of praise - I very much doubt that this is true.
look what jealousy can do!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 07:42 AM Avrohom Says:

first you say: "They were well intended good people, but ignorant as a door knob".
than you say: "you are knowledgeable in issur v'heter, but are not qualified poskim".

It seems that you are very jealous of the great work the Shluchim do, a mission most of the torah world would not take, it is the shluchim's Mesirus nefefsh that teh Rebbe imbued in them.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 08:01 AM Anonymous Says:

7:15
I should think that maybe you dont have the story straight, as a patient your mind may not have been all there.. if the hospital staff asks the shliach, is he supposed to lie ?!? luck in kup.. it says no where in shulchan aruch that you are mechuyav to have your licht or your gassos..

Since when is every shliach supposed to have dayanus ? so because they are not buki in shulchan aruch they are c'v "dumb as a door knob" Gevald!!

While yes everything must be done for the sake of the choleh, I dont see why he should lie to the hospital staff.

Mamash your so picky.. read rashi on the malachim that visited avraham to do bikiur cholim.

People smoke, thats life.. his suit ? perhaps he is runing around all day being moser nefesh.

For some, its mesiras nefesh to leave the tents of yaakov to the wilderness.. they do out for the good of klal yisrael.

I ever so vaugly remember as my arm was picked up as I was stoned out on drugs in ICU, my vision blurred from drugs, I was on a respirator and later told in critical condition.

But I will never ever ever forget as the young man lifted my hand and wrapped the holy straps of the teffilen.. hashkifa mimaon kadshecha min hashmayim uvarech es amcha yisrael.. I remember him saying shema with me and removing the teffillen..

The next day I was into it more and I said "I had this vivid real life dream that someone came and put tefillen on with me.. " they told me it was no dream.

Listen, if c'v I was niftar that night, my hakaras hatov for being able to put on teffillen and say shema for what may have been my last time.. this is something you cannot forget.

Luz up..gassos and dakos.. electric and real licht.. which hospital would let you light real licht are you meshuga ?!?! ive had 14 operations and NEVER EVER EVER would they allow real licht...my mother had to light in the cafeteria or elsewhere.. It took alot of fighting on behalf of my neurosurgeon of 10 years. who's the head of neurosurgery in the hospital to get them to allow me to light a menorah!!!

I think you meed to focus on the facts on the ground inbstead of your meshuganer hidurim which cause unneeded agmas nefesh!!!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 08:02 AM Leah Says:

Thank you to the editors' of Vos iz neies for posting this item about this love and chesed, about a family of Shluchim the do not think about themselves – and therefore moved away from Brooklyn – to a Dessert of Yiddishkeit, and are working – not for their own benefit – to transform this dessert to a buetiful Garden for Hakodosh Boruch Hu.
And after all this a previous person wrote: "SO, thank you for your loving visits, but it is not about YOU. It is not about Chabad. It is not about the rebbe. It is about the choleh! ",
This Great family – together with shluchim around the word , put themselves on aside – and first in their lives – are the people they could help.
This work will truly speed up the coming of Moshiach.
Amen!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 08:06 AM feivel Says:

thank you Family Greene.

and to a previous writer I want to say:
Remember - in the three weeks we have to add in Ahavas Yisroel!

this is what the greene's do 24/7 - ahavas yisroel, NOT Ahavas Atzmo (self love) but rather love for Klall Yisroel!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 08:40 AM Anonymous Says:

To the poor soul who only had negative things to say: I think that you should spend one day a month devoting yourself to helping other people and not thinking about yourself- only then will you have a slight understanding of what shluchim go through on a daily basis. many of them cannot put food on their tables and have problems paying their bills. You can still do teshuvah. Send him a check.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 08:41 AM YS-DP-UA Says:

BS"D

Anonymous 7:15:

I think that Chabad shluchim need to refrain from visiting mental wards if this is the abuse they are subjected to.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 09:16 AM Elimeilech Says:

I am in awe from the outpour of Love that the Jewish community is showing to the work of this family of Shluchim of the Lubavitcher Rebbe.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 09:19 AM Baila Says:

It is People like this that are preparing the entire world for the Geulah Sheleima!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 09:36 AM Anonymous Says:

Boruch Hashem - there are still people out there who don't think about themselves but think about Klal Yisroel.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 09:40 AM Anonymous Says:

it is the job of klal yisroel to help these Shluchim - B'Gashmius [financially] and b'Ruchnius [a good word etc.].

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:13 AM Anonymous Says:

I am 7:15

Yes,I AM a rov, and have taught in Yeshiva and Kollel as well as having taught issur v'heter and have given others smicha.

I was in for surgery. I was NOT "sick" or mentally challenged in any way.

I was there for 2 Shabbosim. The staff had allowed me tzind lecht in the patient's lounge the first Shabbos, and allowed it to burn until it burned out almost 3 hours later. I was also allowed to eat my Friday night meal in that lounge. The second Shabbos I did not have those privileges because the busybody "rabbis" told the staff I could just turn on the room light!

I do NOT hold from Peshutim Mehudarim, and would not make a brocha on them. That is my reshus to insist on wearing mehudar tefillin every day of my life from bar mitzvah on, both Rashi and R'T. Why should I be forced to use only a cheap pair of mivtzaim peshutos that I have never used.

If you read my original posts,I gave credit and compliments many times to the shluchim, not just in the last line. But, I have suggestions, does that make me "Jealous" "ungrateful" "crazy" and other words you all used to described to me.

I have the right also to eat what I believe to me MY level of kashrus, and not be forced to eat something that YOU say in "kosher enough" chas vesholom.

I have a right to ask that when a rabbi comes to be mivaker cholim to a man who is frum and educated, that the rabbi who is mavaker cholim does not make life harder on him.

What is wrong with saying he should ask MY reshus before mixing in to my business.

This caused me to leave the hospital prematurely, and ruined my last few days there.

This reminds me of the old story of the Boy Scout who drags an old lady across the street, even where she did not wish to go, just to say he 'helped an old lady cross the street.'

Read my lips. "I do like Chabad. I do appreciate the shluchim of Chabd. I give them lots of credit. I acknowledge their mesirus nefesh."

But, that does not take away my rights to ask them not to drag me across a street I do not wish to cross.

That does not give them the right to interfere with matters without my permission.

I am NOT a Chabad hater if I do not agree with every single action done by any chabad sholiach.
I am not Jealous of Chabad in any way.
I do not hate people whose opinions differ from mine. Just done impose yours on mine.

If you were my children or nephews, and you came to visit me dressed like slobs, and smelling like smoke, I would not want you to come. I would embarass me and annoy me. It would make no difference if you where Litivsh, Chassidish or Lubavitch.

Why is Lubavitch so sensitive and if anyone has one word of criticism, you call them names?

Do I need to put up a sign: NO CHABAD ALLOWED if I need to go back to the hospital? Of course I would not do that, as I would NEVER want to hurt their feelings.

But, treat the choleh with respect, and don't argue with him! When Satmar comes to be mevaker cholim they help in the way the choleh asks for. They would never say to not bother with the shechita I prefer, and cooked by heimishe people, and tell everyone the garbage offered by the hospital is "kosher enough" ... all this while we are trying to upgrade the availablity of heimishe kashrus in the hospital.

When you are mevaker cholim: ASK FIRST HOW YOU CAN HELP! Is that bad advice? Is that wrong to request? Does saying that make me a Chabad hater? and... by the way, though I am not chabad, I really do have a few shluchim as friends. And just as I know that some can learn very well, and I have learned with them, I also know three shluchim who are truly am haratzim. I am not saying to put these good people down. They are my friends. But not everyone is a talmid chochom.
And not everyone who has words of correction to chabad is a chabad hater..

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Leah:
your typo is exactly correct! the shluchim move from Brooklyn to a "desert" and make it into a beautiful, delicious dessert!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:18 AM Anonymous Says:

and yes, if a staff member asks the visisting rabbi a question, he should check with the patient first before answering. A Jew has a right to be more machmir than what that Chabad rabbi believes is "enough." If the patient is more machmir on bishul yisroel, or on yoshon than chabad, he has that right! How dare anyone tell the staff that some foods that the patient does not eat are "Kosher enough."

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:

anon: 7:15

it seems that your a bit disturbed i wish you a refuah shleimah =... it could be you nebach were going through alot and it seemed that u werent all there... but if you can see that all posts except for yours was only praising and thanking these wonderful people so i dont need to say more.... and about making fun of his wrinkled jacket and not pressed or washed but maybe if you would be running around helping other yidden 24/7 i dont think you would care how your jacket looks and besides since when do you know other peoples financials it could be he doesnt have a dime to his name and he and his wife still have their homes wide open as we say on pesach "kol dichfin yesei veyeichol" they keep that all year round so next time dont judge .... i brouch hashem never needed to be there but i do know someone that nebach had to be there and they only had wonderful things to say to me him and his rebetzzin are angels... may hashem bentch them with vchol mishalos libchem ltovah!!!!!! may we see already moshiach its enough with all these tzorus and we need especially in the 3 weeks ahavas yisroel and ahavas chinum

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:

To anonymous 7:15
Don't feel alone. Many others - even with the caveat that they're not criticizing the late Rebbi or Chabad in general - yet give a constructive criticism are put down here. Its all a game - if you criticize even the smallest thing with the best intention or if you don't agree with Chabad 100% - you're lacking in ahavas yisroel and another reason why meshiach hasn't yet arrived. I've never seen another group or kehilla in Klal yisroel that spends so much time patting itself on the back - could an inferiority complex be involved?

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:

to 7:15
99 percent of shluchim have their Semicha for Rabonus before they get Married! [this is a directive From The Lubavitcher Rebbe to all Talmidim of the Yeshivah!].
the 2 things you mention Kashrus and Tefillin:
when it comes to Kashrus - Lubavitch is very Machmir.
Tefillin - Lubavitch Chasiddim are constantly Checking Teffilin.
stop Lashon Hara - ADD in Ahavas Yisroel.
Shbbat Shakom!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:53 AM Anonymous Says:

to 11:50
Lubavitch Talmidim are visiting city's all over the USA on a steady bases from the early 1940's.
then came the others!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:55 AM A Friend Says:

I am proud to say that I personally know the Greene family. Not only do they (Dovid and Chanie) go the extra mile for the people who come across their way in Rochester but the values / chinuch / love they teach to their children is truly unbelievable. Keep up the good work Greenes!!

To the commenter above : Dovid Greene does NOT smoke !!! Is it enough to discredit your whole story ?

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

To the person who describes his bad hospital experience. Did this happen at the Mayo Clinic hospital in Rochester with Rabbi & Mrs. Greene? If not, then what does your post have to do with the article? I don't think so, but I understand how you feel connected to an article that relates to hospital experiences. But focusing on your own experience detracts and distracts from the main thrust of the article. With the only connection being that you were in a hospital and had a negative experience does not really relate to the subject at hand.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:01 PM Velvele Says:

to 11:46:
what other group or kehilla in Klal Yisroel would leave the heart of a Jewish community and move away to spiritual Midbar (Desert) - for what? not for the money, not for Kovod, a place difficult to be MECHANECH children - but all this - to help a fellow Yid!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:05 PM ploni Says:

all the brachot to this great family!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:12 PM H.B. Says:

I remember being in their house for a Shabbos. Mrs. Greene is an amazing cook !!!!!
I remember her making a special menu (no salt added etc) that same Shabbos for a patient at the Mayo. Not one time did I hear her complain about the double cooking. She was even phoning friends and relatives to get recipes without the ingredients that need to be left out "to make it more exciting" for that patient ! I remember thinking that this was real devotion for the cause she believes in! Without even knowing it Rebbetzen Greene you inspired me to go out there and be on call for all those in needs ! May Hashem give you the strength and powers to keep on accomplishing and fulfilling all those Mitzvos!!! Thank you Chanie.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:17 PM PBP Says:

To the guy who describes his bad hospital experience:
you were definitely not at the Mayo clinic and definitely did not meet Dovid Greene.
Dovid Greene does not have any of the (bad) qualities you write. BTW - he does not Smoke.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:43 PM Anonymous Says:

7:15 was not talking a about Rabbi Green. He was not anti Chabad. I see in his letter Ahavas Yisroel.

And no, Chabad are careful about the tefillin they wear for themselves. But their mivzaim tefillin are VERY borderline. And for those who do not hold from non-ohr-echad tefillin, they are not kosher.

Some paskin hat the heter on Peshutos Mehudoros was ONLY for those who could not afford Dakkos and Gassos.

Also, Chabad is by far NOT the most machmir on kashrus. Most are VERY lenient on pre-packaged bishul yisroel, especially then tend to accept Belsky's heter on canned food. Many others do not agree. Like Tuna. We do not accept the heter that just because a king will not eat canned Tuna, so all canned tuna can be cooked by goyim. Many hold that as long as the "type" of food, like Tuna steak, would be eaten by a king, all tuna must be bishul Yisroel.

Also, Chabad purposely eats chodosh. Now that Yoshon is easily available, many of us are makpid to eat Yoshon only.

Also, Chabad laughs at us who will not eat a Zebu.
But we have the right to be machmir on it.

Also, Chabad is lenient on melicha of a whole chicken. Many of us specifically want the chicken split and then salted both sides lovon kisheleg as the Shulchan Aruch said is PREFERRED.

Right there above are a FEW reasons why a person may feel Chabad kashrus is not up to their preferred ways. This does not put Chabad down. Each to his own minhag, or to his own posek. But to inflict leniencies on other people is just as bad as inflicting your chumros.

I too like Chabad. But I will be the first to say that they get a bit arrogant and defensive, and poke fun at anyone else who is a drop more machmir than they are.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 12:49 PM Ben Says:

To the guy who describes his bad hospital experience:
I would to quote 3 torah thoughts that the Lubavitcher Rebbe wrote in the name of the Previews Rebbe's:
1) Cherish criticism, for it will place you on the true heights.
2) The command "You shall rebuke" is preceded by the words "You shall not hate your brother," for this is a precondition for the rebuke. The Torah continues, "...and you shall not ascribe sin to him," for if the rebuke was ineffectual, you are certainly the one responsible, for yours were not words coming from the heart.
3) One who is lowly and crass does not sense his own crassness and lowliness.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 01:18 PM Yitzy Says:

to: 7:15 was not talking a about Rabbi Green. He was not anti Chabad. I see in his letter Ahavas Yisroel.

I Wonder where you got the facts about Lubavitch Hidurrim!
If you relly want to know the Lubavitch Hidurrim - don't rely on what pepole tell you!
you have to read the Seforim of the Lubavitch Rebbeim. they {the Rebbeim] decide Lubavitch Policy!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 03:52 PM elenbogen Says:

to the person that wrote: "Yes,I AM a rov, and have taught in Yeshiva and Kollel as well as having taught issur v'heter and have given others smicha".
I would like to add that the Torah teaches us to be Humble.

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 03:56 PM Rode Says:

to the individual that wrote: "Yes,I AM a rov, and have taught in Yeshiva and Kollel as well as having taught issur v'heter and have given others smicha".

may I ask:
and what did the Torah teach you?!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 04:08 PM Yisroel Says:

"I am NOT a Chabad hater"
whenever someone says this - you know that they are.

it's Erev Rosh Chodesh Menachem Av - let's add in Ahavas (KOL) Yisroel - loving EVERY Jew!

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 Aug 01, 2008 at 06:54 PM Anonymous Says:

What is wrong with you IGNORANT people. This was a story about 2 wonderful loving caring people who are trying to make peoples lives better in an area devoid of any Yiddiskeit and 7:15 wants to make this a forum about himself. This is about DOVID GREENE. You call yourself a ROV you are an ingnoramous.

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 Aug 02, 2008 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:

To sum this all up - this is a great article about a family that moved from Brooklyn where they had "everything Jewish" - kosher food, Jewish environment, education for their kids etc. etc. - And they move to a spiritual Midbar (Desert), not for their own benefit, not for the money, not for Kovod, - but all this - to help a fellow Yid!
Hatzlocho Rabo!
We Want Moshiach Now!

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 Aug 02, 2008 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:


i have been to Rochester a number of times and each and very time the Greenes have made me feel at home.They are very special people.
may they continue to do their special work for many years to come







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 Aug 03, 2008 at 03:24 AM Anonymous Says:

7:15,
I am the guy with 14 operations, you claim to be a rav yet call another "dumb as a doorknob" I have rachmanus on the rav that gave you semicha!!

I have never encountered a case where hospital staff tried to send any of my possessions home, in fact I believe its against the law.. having smoked for 7 years they could not touch my cigarettes even though I slipped out to smoke.

You are right that he should not have paskend sheilos without consulting you, I have never encountered either a hospital staff that refused to allow me to receive food..

Are you sure you got the story straight? I was operated on in Mt sinai NY, Beth israel NY, St vincents CA, Jackson memorial hospital FL, Miami childrens hospital, Cedars medical center FL... I havent seen anything you describe.

And if your story does not pertain to rabbi greene, why bring it up?

Your wife really put tefillen on you as you lay in ICU the day after surgery ?!? I find this hard to believe.. unless it was a simple surgery.

B'poel, maybe you had a bad experience, I am sorry, surgery is never easy.. but your story does not add up.. I have NEVER had a hospital try to take away any of my possessions or refuse to allow me to receive food from the outside. I have always had people bring me food.

Please, if you got your story wrong, fix it.. because i'm seriously doubting the entire story.

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 Aug 03, 2008 at 03:28 AM Anonymous Says:

And, the only REAL fight I have had was regarding dressing on my head and putting on shel rosh, a rav paskend that I could not force them to remove the head dressing if it was in any way a sakane and was not a chatzitza, furthermore, if there are lines going into your left hand, your mechuyav to put it on the right hand if its a sakana for them to remove it and they are against putting the lines in your right hand.

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 Aug 03, 2008 at 01:40 PM Bill Says:

"Why is Lubavitch so sensitive and if anyone has one word of criticism, you call them names?" - previous poster

For the same reason that Jews always are conscious of anti semitism, there is so much of it! Vhamaskil yovin.

By the way, my father (a shliach)once got a call from a person who read a book about Lubavitch (he was a totally non religious person) and requested a meeting. He presented my father with a 200k check, and said the book he read (a non frum friend of his recommended the book) reminded him of when he was in the hospital and a Lubavitcher was making his hospital rounds, and was overwhelmed by the kindness bestowed upon them. This is the rare case of seing the peiros in oylam hazeh, but not only, that Lubavitcher doesn't what he did for that man, he doesn't even know what he did for my father. By the way, that year was an awfully difficult financial year for my father...

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