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Brooklyn, NY - Dov Hikind Puts Yeshivas On Notice With Harsh Warning: I am Going To Publicly Shame You If You Harbor Rebbe Molesters

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Brooklyn, NY - A hard-hitting follow-up to the subject of sexual abuse and molestation in the Orthodox community was heard on Assemblyman Dov Hikind’s radio show this past Motzoei Shabbos.

Hikind opened the first of several sharply-worded salvos heard throughout the program against perpetrators in the frum world.

After expressing his admiration for cheder rebbis for making a difference, Hikind asserted that “My office is committed to doing something. I have actually assigned staff members to work on this. We are going to stick with this. Those who are abusing our children, doing inappropriate things, I’m coming after you in every single way. Quit before your name is released and your family is embarrassed! I will not be silent or shy away.

To listen to the entire show which lasts for about a full hour click below

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Hikind then introduced a Williamburg mother whose son had been molested by his menahel at age 8.5 and left Yiddishkeit at 19 as a result. Most significantly, the mother related the years of devastation, isolation, shame and lack of trust in Torah authority figures. “It was a betrayal of his beliefs,” reports the mother.

After a lengthy discussion on how the victim’s family tried to get the menahel to treatment without embarrassing his own family, which didn’t work, the mother reported that even though the menahel failed a lie detector test and was temporarily removed from his position, he has been returned to teaching in summer school and will be returning to yeshivah in September.

Throughout the program, an audibly outraged Hikind raised his voice and said (among other things):

· “…How can one of the most prominent yeshivos, that educates tens of thousands of kids, know they have a molester destroying people’s lives! How can they continue with him? How’s that possible? … Well, we are going to stop him, okay? … We are going to stop that from happening. Period. But that’s not the point. The point is: What is their thinking? Where is their religiosity and their commitment?”

· “Is there anyone out there who accepts abuse of children? This mother tried to do things in a beautiful way, and they betrayed her son again. They just hoped she would go away. Her son felt, ‘Maybe I accomplished something, maybe I got rid of this skunk!’ Then he finds that a person who is sick and who should never be with children again is back on his job? How do you face G-d now? How do you pray in the morning?”

· “My office is devoted to this. We are asking people to come forward… We have staff working on this. We are building cases and cases and cases. The stories that I have heard this week, all from our communities from Lakewood to Monsey to Borough Park to Flatbush.”

· “You know, I gotta tell you. You ask me, ‘How are you?’ I must be honest. I have not been okay since last Shabbos night since doing this show. Because it affects me profoundly to listen, to listen and to listen. And you know what’s putting a dagger through my heart? It’s that people are more interested in protecting the perpetrator than dealing with the victim! That’s the part that’s putting a dagger through my heart and soul.”

The show concluded with the mention of Beth Israel’s new Sexual Abuse Hotline, 212-844-1495, and several calls from supportive and grateful abuse victims.

Of particularly notable mention was Hikind’s reaction to a caller named Yitz, who asked the mother, “Why don’t you go to the police? And why is this sub-human still on the streets?” Hikind replied: “In her case, they are trying to get him out of a classroom. It’s about getting him away from kids, and I have spoken to quite a few rabbonim and you have every right to do this legally. The first objective is to get this guy out of the classroom. If I have to go public, if I have to hold a press conference outside the yeshivah, I will do that! This guy is not going back to the classroom in September. We will make sure that will not happen.”


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1

 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:41 AM Sheesh. Says:

To Dov Hikind.

May G-d bless you.

Keep up the great work.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:42 AM I was molested. Says:

I like this man.

I was abused as a kid on numerous occasions by a teacher in my school. I pray that he lives hell on this world and in the world to come for eterity. I can not and will not forgive this animal. may he be cursed.

It's about time someone does something about it. Why the heck can't every school install cameras in every nook and cranny of the inside and outside of the buildings??

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Dov for President!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Thank you Dov!!! you are a true leader1 a true tzaddik in our midst!!! May Hakadosh Baruch Hu shower upon you all his blessings in the merit of saving any future abuse!!
We need more people like dov and then surely mashiach will come!!! this is the true meaning of "Veahavta l'reicha kamocha"
Dov-Thank You and don't get discouraged if people start bashing you...the right thing is always the hardest thing!! Hashem shiuld continue giving you koach as you protect his little and precious innocent children!!!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:44 AM Gevaldig Says:

Hikind is the man.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:47 AM anonymous Says:

good job dov!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Even if you get him out of the classroom, he still has neighbors, kids in shul, etc. that he can, chas v'Shalom, molest. If Hikind doesn't want to lock him in a jail, he should have him committed to a mental institution.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:52 AM Avi Says:

Dov keep up the great work, you don't understand how many jewish lives you will be saving. May GOD help you in all your endeavors.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:52 AM mt mehdi Says:

A Tzadik in our time.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:53 AM izzy Says:

Dov is doing the right thing Now Yeshivas need to the right thing.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:55 AM godov Says:

Go Dov!!!
You are doing us a great service. A voice for all those who can't speak up for whatever reason.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:55 AM Anonymous Says:

I never agree with Hikind...but this time..I support him fully.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:57 AM Anonymous Says:

My question and concern is as follows. While there may be cases of true molestation and they should be stopped at all cost. But truth be told there are cases of fraudulent accusations as well. Kids may not like a certain rebbe because he may be too harsh and they might make up stories about him and have his life ruined. What guarantees an honest investigation and who determines who is guilty and who is not?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:02 AM important1 Says:

Don't know if this is the Torah way.
Remember, the Torah way is to decide by Haluche, not by Emotion!
How do you know for certain that this mother tells the truth? Maybe she does. But maybe not.
And if it did happen, was the menahel warn'd? And maybe he did teshuve, and he didn't touch a boy since? And if he did it, and did teshuve, do you realy want to destroy his and his family's life? is it revenge or haluche that we follow?!
The same goes to all cases.
Of course, if you deal with a proven repeat offender, that dosnt want to change, that a diddrant story!
Dov, please make you'r dicisions with you'r "Moech"! not with you'r heart!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:04 AM Shmiel Says:

And what about bochorim that molest other bochorim?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:05 AM moshe der g Says:

great job

quation is how do we protect the innocent. there has to be a accpted policy that maybe dov nikinds office should write for all schools

and his office should force all schools to sign it as their policy

what to do when there is an accusation against a teacher.
there has to be steps taken to verify to corooborate
when one parent accuses do we throw a teacher out ?
a system should be installed by all yeshivas how to deal with this

and it should also be accpeted in all camps overnight and daycamp

there is more abuse in overnight camps then anywhere else

hashem yiracheim on all of us

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:08 AM anonymous Says:

I was a Rebbe, who after being a Rebbe for 15 years, was falsely accused by the son/wife of a school big shot, and was subsequently fired. At age 43 I had to find a career, and the sad part is, principal believed me, but there was too much money on the line.

My point is, people might take advantage of a chance to make noise and take nekama on a Rebbe they don't like. Is Dov qualified to know them the other side is lying?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:

i obviously have no problem with what he is doing per se, but have to take issue with hikind personally and his being the self apointed leader in solving these problems
1- it seems hes a johnny come lately to this , and fear the politicization and hijacking for personal and political gain 2- i fear in a rush to solve this problem we risk throwing out the baby with the bath water. while no one can deny the serios nature of the accusations , i personally feel accusing people falsly and in a wanton manner is just as serious if not more, which is in many cases what politicians tend to do. so before the attacks on me start , as defender of child molesters , i ask that as frume people we step back and not allow our years of mismanagement to clous our judgement. and may hkb"h truly help all those who have been hurt

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:19 AM Anonymous Says:

In most cases of Rebbes, more than one child is affected. So while sometimes the Rabbi will plead innocence, and claim the "family is out to get him" for one reason or another,in most cases that are true there is more than one victim.
As far as bochurim with bochurim, how can this be stopped? What about incest? How come no one has mentioned sister and brother, or other relatives in the family that no one wants to believe? Can we reach out to children, who will usually tell the truth, although no one wants to believe them? I personally know of plenty of first hand situations, and how messed up these people are for life! Thank you Dov for finally starting to do something about this!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:26 AM A Simple Jew Says:

Dov

You need to lay out the steps you will follow in determining the authenticity of each allegation.

Then you need to lay out how you intend to respond to each scenario and when you will deviate from the standard response.

This should not undertaken on a wing and a prayer. There are too many lives at stake.

I have a question. If you are shaming an individual out of a school you know a crime took place are you not then obligated to report this crime lest you become complicit in it?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Gentlemen,

In order to determine and investigate these incedents in the best possible manner and present it to the local rabbonim, it is essential that we research our information as best as possible and present the facts. Anyone with information concerning 'alleged' abusers should pls contact his office at 718.853.9616. Once information is presented it will be thoroughly investigated and then brought to the attention of the local rabbonim.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:28 AM Shloimy Says:

My hope is that just by the threat to expose these yeshivos, menahalim will take appropriate action on their own.

B'ezras HaShem, there will be no need for any public shaming. Truthfully, it is to the shame of all of us, that this disgusting problem has been allowed to exist for this long.

During Chodesh Menacham Av, may HaShem accept all of our Teshuva and bring us out of this golus, b'mheira v'yameinu.

Shloimy

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:

We need a few more people like dov dov is a person who will jump to action with mesiras nefesh in a split second like nachshon ben aminodov, if saving yiddishkeit is the issue he will jump in & not think first what will i have from all this etc. hashem will bless you with kol tuv DOV !!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:41 AM anonymous Says:

What Dov means to say, is that as long as he can generate press he will make noise. As soon as the noise dies down, he will find the next issue.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Dov: You knew the Kolko story where where you than?

I need a good answer

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:43 AM Rockland Resident Says:

I admire him for his work and he should help solve this problem. For all those that are asking what about bochurim abusing bochurim etc let him take care of one problem at a time hopefully it will bring a stop to this completely. Also for that who said what about those that will be falsely accused there is a saying "innocent until proven guilty" and there will be a lot of information collected before someone is punished. All those that this applies to will think twice before doing and than not do they will need there respect.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Dov sits in the NY State Assembly where they have been sitting on a bill that was already passed in the Senate. This bill would give protection to our children from these molesters, by requiring every yeshiva to do background checks and fingerprinting and make them mandatory reporters. Why hasn't this bill been voted upon yet? It'e been over a year now, Dov? Talk is cheap. We need action.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:46 AM A fresh look Says:

How can you really prove if a Rebbi molested someone? Like everything else in life - a man/woman is innocent untill PROVEN guilty. We must be extremely careful before we defame someones good name. We must investigate very very thoroughly BEFORE we accuse someone. Let's not get caught up in a frenzy and start pointing fingers at anything that moves.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:47 AM chayimka Says:

To important l: How do you know for sure the mother tells the truth? If you have doubts - did you forget the results of the lie detector test? Did the Menahel do tshuva? His first step to tshuva would have been to ask for forgiveness from his victim! And who is destroying his family's life? He was given the chance to leave quietly and save his family from the shame and humiliation - he chose otherwise! If you listened to the show you should remember that revenge was not the motivating factor - it was getting him away from young boys. Repeat offender? You must have heard that there are other confirmed victims!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:56 AM Community activist Says:

First of all finaly someones cry is being heard, Dov youre work your voice, youre heart full of listening storys, are finaly reaching the public ears. even if some crtitise is also a good sign it means message come thru now they can eccept or not but it hits everyones bones.
The message means that even those that where not caught they will stop now some of them will call the hotline for help sometimes the scare is enough to stop those sick people they have a last chance now to go for help NOW IS THE TIME FOR THEM TO ACT don't destroy your life, your family and other precios lives, get help NOW.
for the diffenders: you might be right but a rebbe that has several accusations i dont think its just a nekumu lets get reallity rolling lets set 1 or 2 examples things will change in all yeshivos, shulls, Mikvos,tutters,bus drivers,ETC.
To the Parents: take out the real part from this show Talk to youre children tell them to tell you everything that happens in school everything that happens when they learn with thier tuttor tell them even they get a slap in cheider they should let you know and they will not be punished tell them especaily when someone tells them they cant tell anyone espessaily thier parents or they get threatened to be punished or they get to much petch from a rabbi or a principal, investigate youre child don't allways think youre child is the problem if you feel the child is the problem then take them for an avaluation allways keep the cover ups in mind, youre child can be very innocent open them up to you so you may have a chance of finding out things sooner not when its too late.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:04 AM a victim Says:

The girls schools should be spoken to as well. There is abuse happening to innocent girls. You ask me how I know? Because I am a victim. A victim that tried to cry out for help, a victim who went to Rabunim for help and that was shut up. I healed by doing it on my own. Noone helped me. Even if Dov helps one survivor or scares off one offender, everything that he is doing is worth it.Gd bless you all.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:04 AM anonymous Says:

THE REAL SOLUTION TO PUT CAMRAS ALL OVER THE PLACE IN ALL CLASS ROOMS IN BATHROOMS BY THE DOORS UNDERSTANDEBLE IN EVERY YESHIVA AND IT SHOULD BE THAT REBBIES SHOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN A YESHIVA THAT HE WILL NOT HAVE A WAY TO PROVE THAT HE IS INNCOCENT.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:05 AM Anonymous Says:

how can we contact Dov with a story of our own?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:08 AM Duvidel Says:

Regarding the false accusation issue, kids (especially in our community, or children of a young age) are not naturally intelligent enough to create a well planned false accusation-without help from an adult accomplice- that will prove credible to experienced investigators. This is a fact. They are not creative enough to construct an elaborate story which they will stick to when cross-examined.

Now, to prevent an accusation like this from taking place, Melamdim should be aware and smart enough to look out for themselves, and make sure that they never end up with any child, that is not there own, in a place where they will be obscured from everyone. This is called in non-ignorant terms "having an alibi". Having an alibi is one of the strongest defenses in any criminal investigation. Think, is there any time or place a rebbi can or should possibly be with an underage student? no! This has to be a strict business-like approach. The rebbe teaches him, that's ALL. No rebbi should get to close to a young student in any way, it's not effective or necessary. Kids need to open up to parents, not rebbeyim. Their influence and authority are, or at least should be, very limited.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:12 AM avi Says:

DOv is a tzadik - this is a very serious and tragic situation! It's about time that someone stands up and does something about it!!
Dov,
May HKB"H Give you the strength to continue in this avodas hakodesh, and don't let anyone put you down! Chazak, chazak, venischazaik!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:

there are schools/yeshivas that have camras in every class room and all the halls and lunchroom....
Dov, again your the best
to all who is doing something about this problem... keep up the good work.

good day

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Dove Koi Lechai I will vote Dov Hikind for ever now..This is the most important issue that needs to be solved. We entrust our kids ,we pay top dollar, we deserve the best,,Melamdim who are dreks ,should plunge Toilets

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:18 AM anonymous Says:

10:46 said "Dov sits in the NY State Assembly where they have been sitting on a bill that was already passed in the Senate. This bill would give protection to our children from these molesters, by requiring every yeshiva to do background checks and fingerprinting and make them mandatory reporters. Why hasn't this bill been voted upon yet?"

Now, really? If the yeshivas and Rabonim are covering for the offenders how would this applicant Rebbi have a record to be found in a bacground check..This law would only work if we all did the right thing and don't cover for these sick individuals...DOV, CHAZAK V'AMATZ...

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:22 AM Litvak Says:

An allegation of abuse is so terrible, that we must err on the side of caution and suspend the rebbe from his position until it is fully investigated.

Before everyone starts howling at me - this is the standard with all proffessionals in position of authority. Policemen, doctors etc. are suspended (with or without pay - depending on the circumstance)as soon an allegation of serious misconduct is brought to light. Rebbe's should be treated the same way!

I know all about the presumption of innocence, but the risk to the alleged victim and to other members of the public is too high.

When someone is arrested on an allegation of a serious felony (e.g. murder), often the accused will not be released on bail simply to protect the public.

Those who are granted bail, are bound by strict terms to protect the public and the alleged victim.

The safety of the public and the risk of re-offending trumps the presumption of innocence! You may not agree but that's real life.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:27 AM A FRUM MINNESOTAN Says:

Hey If someone touches your child, have him arrested let the justice system take its course...GO DOV GO...

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:32 AM Lock & Load Says:

thats what i just wanted to say dido NR

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:33 AM Anonymous Says:

DEAR DOV N"Y
i had the honor to meet you a few times at events in BP for community organzations, let me tell you even if i dont agree with you on all your SHITOS but you are a real ASKON LSHIM SHMOIM with a FIERDIGA YIDDISHE HARTZ.
you should have only lots of naches (of course by u thats means yiddishe)and health.
A RABBI IN BP

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:37 AM anonymous Says:

I agree with most of the suggestions Except-put cameras in the bathrooms??? This is probably technically molestation in and of itself, it makes no sense, and will backfire in that the wrong (sick) person will watch the tapes. I don't get this at all.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:40 AM Anonymous Says:

loooooooooong overdue where were you 16 years ago?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:

While there may be problems in Yeshivos,we don't need someone that seems intent on promoting himself politically to lead such a critical and important issue.
And by beginning a crusade without any backing from any Rabbi or mechanech is just shameless and and irresponsible.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:43 AM Lock & Load Says:

To all you perverts out there, you think of touching my kids
I will take the law (Marshall Law) in my own hands......
and deal with the consequences later

Lock & Load....

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:

All I can say when there is smoke there is fire.
On VIN recently we have had open talk of abuse; in one case in Torah Temmimah there were/are many defenders. When after many years of back and forth the person finally pleaded guilty. Did we learn anything from this case? Nothing happened to the yeshiva or the perp. No Rabbonim came out with any Kol Korays how to deal with such accusations. But they have a new Kol Koray out about certain electronic players. They claim many kids have gone off because of these devices,
I wonder whether more kids have gone off because of abuse than anything else?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:46 AM anonymous Says:

dov keep up the good work, there might be some opposition but those are the ignorants of this community. keep up the good work! shayme dich nisht fahr keinim!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:48 AM Broken heart Mom Says:

As a mother I am enlighted to hear that the community is waking up to this problem. My son was telling how his melamid is doing this and doing this to him. Kids are innocent, and being a mother to my child I knew what he refers too. Me and my husband went complaining to the menhal,,and after a while when I saw that nothing happens I demanded that my child be transfered out of this particular class, but this melamid stayed on and nothing was even done. I am glad to see that this is issue is on the front page..

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:48 AM rockaway Says:

how come mondrowitz is not back yet?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:55 AM Benji Says:

Lets not forget this is the same Dov Hikind of th last twenty years, and for the last twenty years Dov was nothing more than "amera happy" lets see some real results before we give this attention grabber any credit

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:58 AM Litvak Says:

In real life, when someone is charged with sexual assault against a minor and has been released on bail pending trial, generally, he cannot be in the presence of children or attend places where children are normally found (parks, schools, swimming pools etc) unless accompanied by other adults. This restriction includes even his own children!

In real life, when a complainant comes forward and lodges a credible complaint of sexual abuse, the legal process begins to charge the accused and issue whatever safeguards are necessary to protect the general public and potential victims.

This system must be immediately implemented in all our schools. A rebbe that had a complaint lodged against him must immediately be reassigned to duties that would only allow him to interact with children in the presence of other adults. This means, he can continue to teach his class, but must be monitored by another adult, and cannot have any private contact with students.

Such a method is the only way to protect potential other victims and the complainant from continued abuse, until the merits of the complaint isIn real life, when someone is charged with sexual assault against a minor and has been released on bail pending trial, generally, he cannot be in the pressence of children or attend places where children are normally found (parks, schools, swimming pools etc) unless accompanyed by other adults. This restriction includes even his own children!

In real life, when a complainant comes forward and lodges a credible complaint of sexual abuse, the legal process begins to charge the accused and issue whatever safeguards are neccessary to protect the general public and potential victims.

This system must be immediately implimented in all our schools. A rebbe that had a complaint lodged against him must immediately be reassigned to duties that would only allow him to interact with children in the pressence of other adults. This means, he can continue to teach his class, but must be monitored by another adult, and cannot have any private contact with students.

Such a method is the only way to protect potential other victims and the complainant from continued abuse, until the merits of the complaint is decided by a competent neutral jurist.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:08 PM Anonymous Says:

dov, i applaud you.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:10 PM anonymous Says:

"Anonymous Says:
While there may be problems in Yeshivos,we don't need someone that seems intent on promoting himself politically to lead such a critical and important issue.
And by beginning a crusade without any backing from any Rabbi or mechanech is just shameless and and irresponsible."

Dov doesn't need anybody to defend him, therefore, the following comment is to you. obviously,Dov is the only one to step up to the plate when we need help for fellow Jews, where were YOU or these MECANCHIM AND RABONIM that you are looking for him to consult? OH! they were busy with kol korays instead of saving Jewish lives. I'm sure you wrote this only to be controversial I can't belive you are that DUMB...

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Dov is jumping on the headlines. If Dov wanted real change, he had many opportunities in the past, when this issue was brought before him.
Dov saw someone else stealing the thunder, and moved quickly to steal headlines. When the headlines will stop, he will stop too.
What are the guidelines for his investigations, and is there a process for the alleged defender to defend himself? We need a transparent and independent process, not some hot head.
Also, since when can you use taxpayer funded employees to investigate these allegations?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Dear Dov You are doing a great thing it,s about time some one is doing somting about this for over 40 years the DAS THORA WOULD NOT GET INVOLVED the only thing you could do was take your child out from the school only H-SHEM KNOWS THE COUNTLESS SLEEPLES NIGHTS FILLED WITH TEARS FROM PARENTS and no one to talk too it,s a good thing that the DAS TOHRA IS DENA DEMALCHISA DINA keep up the good work hatzlucha rabo

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:30 PM A FRUM MINNESOTAN Says:

For those Dov haters...Show mw one rav, rabbi, menahel, etc. that will take the airways like Dov did. If you don't have one then STOP BASHING DOV...

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Chaimke @ 10:47 made reference to asking forgiveness and teshuvah. I’m sorry to tell you, but these two issues are so far down the road that they may never occur in the lifetimes of either the perp or the victim.

#1 – Any discussion about teshuvah is out of place here. Teshuvah only has significance in bein odom laMokom, and even if all were done properly, we mortals would never know. Furthermore, the halachos about bein odom lachaveiro involve the equivalent of restitution (returning stolen objects), and this is nearly an impossibility when the victim has had his/her innocence and emotional health torn away.

#2 – Forgiveness is not an event, asking, apologizing, and granting mechila. It is a process. Most perpetrators are clueless in how to ask for mechila. I have observed the attempts at asking for forgiveness numerous times, and they amount to experiences that revictimize the victim who is already suffering enough. This, too, becomes a near impossible effort.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:34 PM Reubies Says:

To all (or the one) anonymous negative poster against Dov; There is a crisis going on right now that must be dealt with forcefully and swiftly. Finding something negative to say about Dov definitly will help no victims.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:34 PM Anonymous Says:

KUDOS TO VIN AND DOV HIKIND for coming out about
these issues
though very uncomfortable to bring out into the open
unfortunatly these problems dont go away and many many korbonos are out their who are walking
around wounded for life
if their is one mitzva dov that will bring u a free ticket into gan edan this is it
its about time that our community woke up and faced its problems openly and yes this issue affects our community whether modern orthodox,yeshivish,chassidish etc
"NO ONE IS IMMUNE"
may hashem bless all those courageous enough to come out and bring about a change in our community

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:39 PM EINYID Says:

To all you nay sayers out there:

When Nuchem Rorenberg brings up the issue, he is labeled a "menivel"

When Dov Hikind brings up the issue, he is labeled a "headline grabber/attention seeker"

Come on you people with your head in the sand, WAKE UP ! THIS ISSUE IS REAL !

And g-d should help you you should never find out the way this women found out.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:44 PM anonymous Says:

I thought that this problem was isolated, and very rare, that it was Catholic priests, and the occasional Reform Rabbi that got involved in these nefarious activities. I have heard it said that the priests fell to this because Not being allowed a wife was "abnormal" and did't give them any acceptable 'outlet" What excuse can these Orthodox Rabbis possibly have, or do they just deny, deny, deny?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:44 PM ARI Says:

DOV!
I DONT HAVE THE RIGHT WORDS TO THANK YOU.
MAY HASHEM BLESS YOU & ALL THOSE WHO ARE HELPING YOU.
DOV CHAZAK VAEMOTZ

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:45 PM Anonymous Says:

some say dov is not the right person to do this well who is WERE ARE THEY were have they been for the last 20-30 years DOV KEEP IT UP PLEASE!!!! DOV GOOD LUCK

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:50 PM vildechaia Says:

Please: take a lesson from the Catholic Church. Yes, they took too long to investigate and punish the miscreants, but, eventually, most, if not all, the perpetrators were driven out. It is our childrens' lives that are at stake here. There is an old saying: where there's smoke, there's fire. Please, do not give up.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 12:53 PM Bernard Says:

Whatever Dov's motivation maybe dedicating resources within his office to address this issue earns a big Yashar Koach.
Listening to the program last Motzai Shabbas the most shocking thing was an impression that individuals and their institutions would fight to keep a molestor on staff. In fairness maybe the resistence arises from how profoundly evil this behavior is. No Rosh Yeshiva or Rov suspects a rebbi would take his class out to the locasl McDonald's for Lunch or intructing the class to pray in the direction of the Keva in Mecca. The what if in these senarios is so out there that it may not make it on the radar screen. Similarly, regarding pedophilia yo possibility to some be that remote, unfortunately.
True enough false accussations are real concern therefore Rebbim must conduct themselves in a manner that is beyond reproach and welcome background checks etc.
Nebach that it is necessary but some simple common sense action is required to create a culture of no tolerance.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:12 PM Rosenthal Says:

I have often wondered how we as an intellegent nation can be led like sleep to the slaughter to our various problems. When it Stinks it stinks from the head. All of the problems that Klal Yisroel is enduring is due to Brainwashing. We are not allowed an English education. So we now have undereducated yeshiva guys looking for a job, so they enter the school system to become Rebbes. they have no knoledge of how to handle the children, they are frustrated, large families no parnasah. then we go to the problem of Mir tu nisht. Nothing is allowed the men are totaly unprepared for the outside world. Rabbbanim it is time to wake up & Help the Kehilla. Teach us How to use the internet DON'T Ban it. Take the Yeshiva enviorment & educate them. Give them an option to learn a trade under your auspices, give an option,CPA,Lawyer,The entire world will change. You will open the doors to solving many many problems. Rabanim WAKE UP. Every single minute we are loosing a Korbon, Teens @ risk, drugs,marriage crisis,Shidduchim this is all the same problem. NO EDUCATION. CONTROL OF THE MIND. THIS IS WHAT CAUSES PEOPLE TO SIN. I TRULY BELIEVE THE GEDOLIM OF OUR DOR ARE GOING TO GIVE A SERIOUS CHESBAN HANEESH WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
TORAH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT,but @ what cost? Our parents & grandparents were erlicher Yidden to lived life with truth on their lips & Torah in their heart WE NEED Gedolim to get together NOW & rethink the entire way of life.
Another problem the Catskils, what good comes from Vacation 10 weeks? We are the only country in the world which allows husband to spend 10 weeks alone. Why can't the children go to camp & parents would vacation 3 weeks as in Europe & Israel. So husbands are left alone to surf the net, watch TV, go out is this right? & then we ask why are there molesters?
THE SYSTEM HAS TO CHANGE, CHAS VESHOLEM WHAT WE ARE AIMING FOR IF THE PROBLEM IS NOT ADDRESSED.

KUDOS TO DOV HIKIND, HE IS NOT AFRAID JUST DOING THE RIGHT THINK.

CHAZAK VAMATZ

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:

now that dov has recognized the problem, what about the roshei yeshivas who don't want to admit it

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:17 PM Seichel Says:

Talk talk talk. Very nice. What are you going to DO, lemaseh? Stop talking and start doing! Typical politician!!!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:20 PM Dov I love You Says:

Dov Dov Melech Yisroel. weed out these molesters ,,weed out these criminals who damage childeren for life from our frum community

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:20 PM Anonymous Says:

I dont know if Dov is the right person for this. But one thing is certin talking about this in public (like on a radio show) witch children listen to is defently not the right thing to do The Mishna says aien dorshen ailo bishnaim. Thats why Mr. Dov should certnly get rabbincal guidince.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:28 PM yossi Says:

Dear Dov...I have been a major supporter of your campaigns and would like to advise you that you should not do anything like this without thr approval of all Rabunim of your district you represent.Remember we vote the way the Rabbis tell us and if you are not going by the Psak of Rabunim this will sure cost you lots of voters.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:28 PM Kol Tov Says:

Kudos to you Dov Hikind

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Great Job Dov you are the man. There are dozens of molesters in our Chasidic community melamdim and menahalim. we need somebody of courage like Dov to confront this issue.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:

this is a big rant by a do nothing and never did anything politician. did he mention 1 name? Kolko has been talked about for close to 3 years now. where was hikind? mondrowitz 20+ years. where was hikind? and you can go on and on and on....
the lesson from all of this is:
If you have been abused or you know someone who has, or your child has been abused, the only hotline number you need is 911.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:38 PM deepthinker Says:

Who will decide who is truly guilty and who has been wrongly accused?

Will Dov get involved in each case?--I doubt it!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:42 PM Anonymous Says:

we should not be so scared for embarrassing the peoples familys what happened in the times that we had a beth din and someone did thing like these did the bethdin also take into considration that they are embarrassing the family of a mechlel shobbos

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:

dov reading the comments makes me realize just how much the jewish community supports you in this avodah hatzlacha!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:53 PM Moshe Ber Says:

Dov if they chase you out of your shul then come daven in our air conditiond molesters free shul.....DOV KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 01:58 PM anonymous Says:

The accusation or testimony of a child is not acceptable al pi torah, and any use of such testimony to adjudge dinei nefoshos (which this really is - from both perspectives) is wrong. However, what do we do? Children should be encouraged to report such activity, either to parents or the hanholah, and when they are absolutely positive that they are being totally objective, they should do their own investigating, and act accordingly. I am speaking from my own experience. I am b"h close to 60, but was molested as a kid, not by any rebbi, but a very upstanding member of the community. After more than 40 years I am convinced that I am still suffering as a result of it, particularly be ruchnius (it's great to have someone to blame), so that is for sure that something needs to be done, but one also needs to be extremely cautious not to behead an innocent person. I would suggest taht any one over 40 who was molested as a kid, and that person is still in his position, such a victim would have the objectivity and nemaanus to make an accustion, and in fact has the obligation to.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Although this is very shocking I think that us as parents we have to take the correct approach to avoid this type of problem. I am sure that by properly educating our kids we can help out this issue.
There are many different questions that may come out but we must teach them any type of touch that a parent would not do in front of others is wrong. It can be a rebbie,teacher,counsler,bus driver or perhaps a close family friend or relative, we must lay down the issues of the birds and the bees so that children know what they are. If a child is unaware of the feelings he may have he may just ignore warnings that are going on inside his mind. If a child is not aware of the sickos that roam the street he may fall prey. It is imoportant to advise them the definition of a molester as well as pedophiler. Its is sad that we must teach these stuff to our innocent children but in todays day it is vital.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:05 PM willi. Says:

Wow oh wow - what can I say. I had tears in my eyes listening to the interview (and I’m NOT a victim, B’H).

To all of those bashing Duv, I don’t know the slightest thing about the man, but I think he should be commended for what he’s doing. Fact remains, he’s doing a great service for all of us regardless of his motives.

To the mom, I must say you truly are courageous! In a society as backwards, protective, isolated, and judgmental as ours, it takes real courage to come out like that. Hashem should bless you with lots of nachus from Yoly and the rest of your children.

To the Yeshiva, you better do the right thing here, or else you can forget about my annual donation of $1000. I know, $1000 does not amount to much, but I’m sure there are others who will do the same. I’d love to threaten to send my kids to a different school but unfortunately I have a feeling all the Chassidishe schools would cover it up in the same way.

Anxiously awaiting results,

chusid from willi.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:17 PM Anonymous Says:

"Dear Dov...I have been a major supporter of your campaigns and would like to advise you that you should not do anything like this without thr approval of all Rabunim of your district you represent.Remember we vote the way the Rabbis tell us and if you are not going by the Psak of Rabunim this will sure cost you lots of voters."
Dov listen to me you don't have to pander to the Rabbis on this issue and if any Rabbi comes out against you because of this issue I would not consider them a Rabbi that I would listen anymore
and I'm sure most regular normal frum yidden would do the same. It's bad enough that the Rabbonim have hushed this inyan up and swept it under the carpet all these years - for them to villify anyone finally coming forward and doing the dirty work would be biggest shunda and I for one would have second thoughts about anything they say. I am confident that that will never happen.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Who said this mother is telling the truth? and even if she is, who said her frei yoily is telling the truth? Maybe this kid or his parents are getting even with a rebbe that they didnt like. Maybe they are getting back at the school. There has been many cases of people claiming they were raped abused etc as a way to get even with someone. maybe this yoily has other motives. Im sure he doesnt like frum yidden too much.
I say, untill there is clear evidence, not just someones word, that this rebbe did something, DOV HIKIND should be sued!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Dov: which Rabbi is standing behind you/ supporting you on this issue???

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:23 PM Anonymous Says:

I’d like to point out something that I haven’t seen anyone address. The mom mentioned on the interview that her life was way too busy for them to notice any changes in her son’s behavior. That brings up a very sensitive subject, are we maybe having too many kids, maybe more than we can emotionally support? I’m not by any means implying that the mother is to blame here in any way. If anything, she’s a hero in my book for talking about it on a public radio show. But, the question is, are we there for our children? A father of 10 kids, who after a hard day at work most likely does not have the mental capacity to truly pay attention to detail, how can we expect a child to approach such a father? We shouldn’t stick our heads in the sand on this subject either.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:39 PM mother of victim Says:

The person to be thanked with out second thoughts is RABBI NUCHEM ROSENBERG. . He is the only one that brought this terrible situation to the public eye. Dov hiking gets a thank you too but the intial steps were taken by Rabbi Rosenberg.
Both of you should be gebenched for helping out the victims and the parents of the victims. Maybe now will the rabbonim have no choice and not to bury everything under the carpets. I hope Rabbi salamon from lakewood eer hakodesh is reading this.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:42 PM x Aguda Rabbi Says:

Anonymous Says:
Dov: which Rabbi is standing behind you/ supporting you on this issue???
08-04-2008 - 2:22 PM
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I~m standing behind him and so are 100`s of other TRUE Rabbis.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:47 PM maybe Says:

Anonymous Says:
Who said this mother is telling the truth? and even if she is, who said her frei yoily is telling the truth? Maybe this kid or his parents are getting even with a rebbe that they didnt like. Maybe they are getting back at the school. There has been many cases of people claiming they were raped abused etc as a way to get even with someone. maybe this yoily has other motives. Im sure he doesnt like frum yidden too much.
I say, untill there is clear evidence, not just someones word, that this rebbe did something, DOV HIKIND should be sued!
08-04-2008 - 2:21 PM
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Maybe just maybe u are delussional!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:48 PM former victim Says:

Anonymous Says:
Dov: which Rabbi is standing behind you/ supporting you on this issue???
08-04-2008 - 2:22 PM
former victim says: who cares?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:52 PM maybe Says:

Anonymous Says:
this is a big rant by a do nothing and never did anything politician. did he mention 1 name? Kolko has been talked about for close to 3 years now. where was hikind? mondrowitz 20+ years. where was hikind? and you can go on and on and on....
the lesson from all of this is:
If you have been abused or you know someone who has, or your child has been abused, the only hotline number you need is 911.
===============================================
Did it ever dawn on you that not all victims are level headed enough to dial 911?
Did it ever occur to u that its important to speak to someone you trust and familiar ? (11 is more times than not a solution for victims of this type,

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

does anyone know what dovs concrete plan of action? i would love to know how the public can help

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:06 PM Anonymous Says:

kudos to dov hikind for being bold enough to publicly address this important issue and put it squarley in the spotlight. why is it that all the black hatters (and i am probably considered a black hatter myself) avoided bringing this problem into the open and a guy with a kippa sruga is the one whose bringing it to the forefront? hate to say it and i dont mean to sound sacriliogious, but arent the rabbonim ashamed?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:11 PM BE REAL Says:

GOOD, do it DOV, and scream loud and clear, our children need protection..

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:11 PM pinchas boro park Says:

dear dov.
it would have been the right thing to first call the mosed involved .I happend to know that the accusations are false. the mishpoche are trying to blame their son problems on the yeshiva . this lady is no new kid to the block .4 years ago they had a accusation against an other mishpoche member.
dov be carefull don't be fooled in ,we all know that they are sh'luchim hm'n nuchem.
dov thank you for pasing the flier bill .

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18 PM torahis1 Says:

to all those who still want to route this issue through the Rabbonim, well they had their chance and blew it big time.

now, we are forced to fix this once & for all. Let the rabbonim hop on board with Dov, the cops and the justice system if they are so concerned.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18 PM Melon Says:

I'm sure Dov has the best intentions, but I can't help but to ask, where was Dov all these years, I have first hand knowledge of parents begging Dov to get involved, what changed? Why was this past shabbos different than many shabbosim after Dov was begged to get involved? IS NOW THAT HIS SON YONI WANTS TO ESTABLISH A NAME FOR HIMSELF AS A SOCIAL WORKER THE DRIVE BEHIND THIS? I wish Dov much luck on his efforts, but I still must ask these burning questions.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:22 PM Anonymous Says:

If dov would of ment it realy erlich he would of made a meeting of all mosdes with the rabbinim and discused this issue and how to solve the problim. The fact of going on the radio and advertising himself and bringing that mother (who even knows if she is telling the truth) proves that he onkly wants to prmote himself. This job should be done in accordenc with a Daas Torah wich unfurntionly Dov doz not have.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:23 PM Eli Says:

pinchas I guess she is lying about this rebbe failing the lie detector test!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:24 PM anon4 Says:

I am so sick and tired of the frum community burying its head in the sand.Just like nonjews have diabities so do frum jews (chas vashalom).Stop tring to stick up for all of these sickos.The big problem in our frum community everybody thinks that we are perfect. Get this straight HASHEM IS PERFECT AND THE TORAH IS PERFECT BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT. IT DOESN"T MAKE A DIFFRENCE WHETHER YOU ARE JEWISH OR NOT THERE ARE SICKOS OUT THERE IN EVERY SOCIETY.Everybody keeps saying oh it is very rare that in our frum community that these things happen.Baloney- there are manic deppresants in the frum world just like there are in the secular world.Just because somebody looks frum or like a chashuv person that doesn't make them a good person.There might be a few kids who make up stories about their teachers or other people in their lives, but not eveybody.To a previous poster: how can you be mochel someone who molests children? These sickos destroyed peoples lives physically, emotionally,and spiritually. And as someone who is part of the psychological field it is almost impossible to cure a molestor.As they said on the show these molestors don't usually molest one person they usually molest a few.Once these molestors/rapists sentencing term is up all of our frum newspapers should have these peoples names and adresses should be posted so we can warn our children to stay away from certain people or areas.It is time our community takes a stance and action against these terrible people and actually do something about it.Everybody is so worried about these "poor" molestors reputation. Well that is just a little to bad perhaps they should think twice before they molest someone.I agree that a thorough investigation is called for in all cases to make sure an innocent person is not indited.However once all odds are agains a person- that a person is an established molestor- all the evidence is against a person then we as a community SHOULD NOT BE BACKIN AN ESTABLISHED RAPIST/MOLESTOR. Parents as someone who is involed with children, I beg of please teach your children the importance of saftey.Teach them as young as 1 or 2 that NOBODY has a right to touch them in anyway that makes them feel uncomfortable, and no body is ever allowed to touch them anywhere where their bathing suit covers them.If anybody does touch them where they feel uncomfortable they should run away from that person and go and get help/ or tell you their parents/ or a trusted adult- another teacher, or the nurse at school what happened.The child should also refuse to be touched and tell the person my body is mine and you have no right to touch me.It might not be an easy thing for your child to do but if this is the message that you ingrane in your kids at an early age it can only help them if they ever chas vashalom need in the future.To find out if there are any registered sex or molestor offendors near you go on to this web site www.familywatchdog.us-It is the national sex offender registry.In the month of av may Hashem watch over us all and especially safegaurd our precious children!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:25 PM a concerned mother Says:

please parents, keeping our children safe starts with US. we must teach our children about their bodies, about what is safe and what is not. we must tell them their bodies are private and no one can touch them! mothers - start talking to your precious kinderlach when they are little! keep reinforcing these talks and keep open communication with your children. may Hashem protect us all.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:40 PM Anonymous Says:

complimants

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:44 PM Yiddishe Mamme Says:

Dear Yidden, Please let's not forget the victim - please join me in wishing him a Refuas Hanefesh, may Hashem help you heal quickly and completely and be Zoche to come back to Torah, to Chuppa and to Maasim Tovim. You can do it! You are the most bravest, courageous soul.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Thanks Dov for bringing up such an important matter

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:55 PM agudath israel Says:

The reason Agudath Israel turns the other cheek is as follows:
There's an unwritten shitah mekubal from moreinu R'Moshe Sherer zt"l that dictates- chilul hashem's doicheh ahless - even if there are korbonos suffering and people getting away with harming others, if a chilul hashem MIGHT occur, then we must turn the other cheek.
Case closed

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 03:58 PM Anonymous Says:

this is a big rant by a do nothing and never did anything politician. did he mention 1 name? Kolko has been talked about for close to 3 years now. where was hikind? mondrowitz 20+ years. where was hikind? and you can go on and on and on....
the lesson from all of this is:
If you have been abused or you know someone who has, or your child has been abused, the only hotline number you need is 911.
===============================================
Did it ever dawn on you that not all victims are level headed enough to dial 911?
Did it ever occur to u that its important to speak to someone you trust and familiar ? (11 is more times than not a solution for victims of this type
===============================================
Yes it occured to me. that's why a level headed person (i.e. rabbi, teacher, politician, friend or blogger) should tell the person to call 911. That is what I am telling anyone out there who is a victim. 911 is only the first step. If they need someone to talk to (which they will) they should find someone, either through community organizations or if needed the police will recomend services. if they want to speak to a trusted rabbi, that's fine, but first call 911. under no circumstances should the person who they have trusted counsel them to drop the charges. we don;t need politicians screaming on radio shows about molestors they wont even name. we need them telling all victims to go to the police and then seek counselling.

And another thing - hikind's JOB is to pass laws. One law currently sitting forever in Albany would require all schools in the state of NY to submit all employees through the state criminal background check. this would be something positive that he could do, but instead he thwarts those who are trying to get it passed.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:00 PM Eli Reich Says:

It is always unbelievable to me how some frum people will use the question "how do you know for sure?" as an excuse to ignore tremendous problems in the jewish community. These same people, when it comes to accusations about "goyim" or non-frum jews, are the first to believe outragious rumors (ala, lets burn our Shatels). And how many of you people rely on the shidduch game where you call friends and neighbors of a prospective match for yourself or your child, and rely on unproven "loshon hara" to make your decisions about whether to even go on a single date. I wonder how many times god har designated someone as a "bashert" only to have his decision "thwarted" by mans free will to act like a bafoon. My point is, it is interesting how people chose to believe foolishness all the time, but get on a soap box when it comes to truly improtant issues.

By the way, why do people post as anonymous, grow up. Eliyahu P Reich

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:05 PM EINYID Says:

dear dov.
it would have been the right thing to first call the mosed involved .I happend to know that the accusations are false. the mishpoche are trying to blame their son problems on the yeshiva . this lady is no new kid to the block .4 years ago they had a accusation against an other mishpoche member.
dov be carefull don't be fooled in ,we all know that they are sh'luchim hm'n nuchem.
dov thank you for pasing the flier bill .
08-04-2008 - 3:11 PM

================================================
Here we go !

The Moised has reared its ugly head.

do, what you have always done: BASH THE VICTIM.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:05 PM Bart Says:

"Ein anu leheshaun elah al Dov Hikind"!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:07 PM Anonymous Says:

www.familywatchdog.us-It is the national sex offender registry>>>>>

Oh my go........ I checked this site out and put my zip ocde in and could not believe that there were a few "frum" jewish looking people that are a registered level 3 offenders.

Go-d help us all.

I also typed in zip codes for other jewish areas and found at least two people per jewish neighborhood that are a level 3 offenders and the rest which were over 100 people per neighborhood.

This is what we know and people who are registered and how many we do not know about?

We were discussing this topic in the bungalow colony and it amazed me how many people said that just because people are a level 3 does not mean they are really guilty!

Most people around me were in disbelief that people can be so crazy into believing that a registered person is just a mistake.

Anyone that is registered is guilty 100% and in most cases people who admitted to their crimes.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

I was a victim by several members from our community that if I will let you know the Names -
The hear from ur head will stand up -
Its about time things are getting done.!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Congratulations dov you have your office building cases and cases but everyone knows thats all you do - anything to get your "distinguished" name further recognized - you'll talk and talk and talk but as usual you will take care of nothing. Maybe another "business trip" to Israel is in order to "help" your district

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:18 PM Anonymous Says:

I saw what happend to me - I am afraid for my kids.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:

i agree with everybody here go dov go but wait a second where is the applud for reb Nuhem Rosenberg without him on the zev brenner show there would be no DOV here talking about this issue if not reb Nuchim this issue would still be coverd reb Nuchim sacrafised his life here where is the Hakros Hatov

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:25 PM whatisnext Says:

deepthinker Says:
comments - arrow Who will decide who is truly guilty and who has been wrongly accused?

according to you, one can never be accused of crimes? Maybe we should open all prison and let everybody go? And do you believe someone if they say someone was driving of shabbos, or is serving treif food?
I think not, you would not at at that restaurant anymore

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:30 PM whatisnext Says:

what can parents do?
Same as all other consumers do, they do not buy the products. Parents can do the same to yeshivas but do not. How many parents took their children out of Torah Tememia after the Kolco affair? I am afraid to say none, to maybe a handful.

WHY DO PARENTS STILL SENDS THEIR CHILDREN TO Torah Tememia? I wonder why?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

and the truth reb Nuchem deserves more apploud then DOV you see Dov can go davven and any shul and will be a hero for ths and rightfully so reb Nuchim is suffering his family is suffering he has a stinky Kol Kora agaist him he is being yelled at in the streets of williamsburg so who is the hero here anybody have some guts and get up and say thank you reb Nuchim i just read most of teh articles and i just cant belive how peaple are not just at least say go reb Nuchim GO the doors of Gen Idem is open for you

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:37 PM deepthinker Says:

Dear whatisnext:

We have a Beth Din to make sure that no one is wrongly accused by somemone who has an ax to grind.

My very serious question is--How will Dov know if he's attacking a really abusive person or whether his goodwill is being exploited by a vindictive SOB, who wants to desstroy the life of an innocent person?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:41 PM Library Lover Says:

Right here in Ir Hakodesh, initial M, we have a molester in a major yeshiva, he has been there for yrs, a Rebbe..he was involved in a camp and everyone knew him as a molester..yet he is still here, still in the largest school, still teaching first grade..WHY???Dov, HELP!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM mt mehdi Says:

My very serious question is--How will Dov know if he's attacking a really abusive person or whether his goodwill is being exploited by a vindictive SOB, who wants to desstroy the life of an innocent person?
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When there are multiple victims, as there usually is, your concern is unfounded.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM whatisnext Says:

deepthinker Says:
comments - arrow Dear whatisnext:

We have a Beth Din to make sure that no one is wrongly accused by somemone who has an ax to grind.

That is true just like the state court system. The big difference is Beth Din has no real power
to impose their verdict. As the Kolco case proved beth Din was useless. This cannot be handles internally, just like the church could not deal with it internally.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:46 PM whatisnext Says:

Dov,

want to do something call the police to arrest the rabbi in summer camp today

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:50 PM Another victim Says:

I do strongly agree with the girls divisions too. Unfortunatley it is not only men who molest!!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 04:56 PM Anonymous Says:

You can't arrest him now. The statute of limitations expired.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:00 PM Anonymous Says:

after a child gets punished , he will have a very good simple way for revenge

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:01 PM anonymous Says:

Dov don't forget the Yeshiva that blackmailed parents into silence during the court case which happened recently in our community.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Any time a kid brings an accusation against a rebbe, it should be reported to the police. The police have ways of investigating and interrogating. If the kid and his parents don't want to go to the police and there are no other accusers against this rebbe, then the accusation should be ignored.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:28 PM deepthinker Says:

Dear whatisnext:

If the Beth Din can't handle it, THEN--and only then--do you take it to the Police.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Beth Din handle it - What a joke. Ever tried it ?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:43 PM Ayid_fin_bp Says:

Lekovod Reb Dov.
iv'e learned in a strong chasidishe Cheider in Montreal and i must say that i myself twice by a rebbe and cant say from what sect it was but while going to "holy" Rebbes Tishen i was touched and mel. by the same rebbe.
however the same melamed was a melamed years later then a melamed in Five towns and then and i think now he is a rebbe in lakewood.

i can say 1 thing
hashem helped me that it didnt touched me (i hope not at least) but there is yid from my class now a bucher ages 35 who dont want to get marreid cuz of this.
so
be strong and lets pray and hope that all this stuff should stop

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:46 PM David Says:

"And if it did happen, was the menahel warn'd?"

Is this a joke? Does someone need to be put on notice that molesting children is not ok? If I found out that a rebbe did this to my child, his "warning" would come in the form of a beating that would leave him dead or permanently disfigured. Which is exactly what these monsters deserve.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 05:49 PM Anonymous Says:

good. finally.

amen dov hikind.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 06:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Dov started this issue already last winter when other stories became public so lets give credit is do

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 06:36 PM Lock & Load Says:

Dov.
I cant wait to shake your hand and thank you....
I will be Shabbos Nachamu with you at
The Hudson Valley Resort


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 Aug 04, 2008 at 07:03 PM Anonymous Says:

why are there so many people against this????????????? they all must be molestores

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 07:19 PM Avrohom Abba Says:

Dear Mr. Hikind,
I thank you for this brave and important move. However, I hope you will back the speech with action. That is the hard part.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:

The power to put molesters off the street lies with the criminal justice system. It hasnt worked untilnow because the DA will not bring a case they think they will lose, which they will ul=nless there are witnesses and testimony. That wont change. But this will bring awqareness

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 08:06 PM sad Says:

Hashem is with you Dov Shlita.
Hashem should continue being with you .
You are the right man for it

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 08:27 PM Anonymous Says:

dov hikind is remarable! what a heart? a true selfless advocate. to the many comments regarding what if the rebbe is inocent? if there is 1-2 complaints its possible, but it here are 10 commpaints and they all fit the detailed pattern, the rebbe is a pervert, a disgrace. its impossible for 10 children to give 10 identical accounts. its time our primitive little world wakes up.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 08:33 PM Stop and think Says:

We as yidden have to follow das torah whether dov is right or wrong the maskilim before WWII also knew better than the rabonim anyone with a trace of yiras shomayim would not think of circumventing the rabonim on such a grave issue only someone who lacks emunah would dare post a comment suggesting that such an issue proceed without das torah
May hashem take pity on all of us in these trying times.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 08:34 PM A Survivor Says:

Abuse can happen in Girls schools as well. I say this from experience. I was a victim/survivor of molestation by a very well known and liked teacher. I cried out for help and even spoke to a Rabbi, noone believed me. If Dov helps even one person survive/overcome or scares off one predator, this is all worth it. Good Luck Dov.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:09 PM Anonymous Says:

I live in a prominent bal-habatish neighborhoods; my
neighbor attempted to molest me and 4 of my friends when we were 12....This is a real issue!!!!!!!! and thank you dov!!!!!!!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:19 PM E.M.R. Says:

i am a victim of sexual abuse, and i have gone off the derech. to any person out there who thinks that turning a cheek is the right thing to do, or to doubt and not take care of the problem you may be creating the next victim that goes off the derech. we cry about how many people go off the derech. i am here telling you, that i went off the derech because of all the denial that i faced when trying to get help in the jewish community. start doing something now, stop denying what a huge problem is out there. my sexual abuser stole my life. stop protecting these animals. if nothing at all moves you, think of the victims crying themselves to sleep, cuz noone will help them.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:27 PM Anonymous Says:

"We follow Daas Torah" not like the maskilim.
OK So what's Daas Torah on this ????????????
....... The silence is deafening!!!!!!
Kol Hakovod Dov - B'Mokom Sh'ain Ish .......

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Dear Dov,

Can you please name one Rabbi that is standing by your side in what you are doing here?

Something smells fishy.

There are those that dont care if there are rabbis that are backing Dov. Thats because they dont like rabbis and talmidei chachamim. There is a general rule of law stated in the torah: the mind of the balabus is against the mind of torah. Yes they even hate talmidei chachamim. because of them we are still in galus.

Food for thought:
A) For all we know this woman and her son can be full of it. How do we know they are saying the truth.

B) Its easyer to find someone to blame for little yoily going frei than blaming yourself. Blame Anyone But Yourself = BABY.

C) We are talking about a women that admits she was too busy with other things when her child was young. thats why she didnt notice anything. sounds great.

D) She also acuses the school of having a rebbe for 8 year olds that was " a little senile". Here again this fits the patern of blaming others with huge acusations.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:42 PM wondering Says:

Where are the Rabbis on this? The ones who created the smoking and drinking problem in the schools? Where are the Rabbis who have noting better to do then take away money from a concert promoter, listen to silly lies from one jew hater but say and do nothing ( no ads, nothing) regarding such an important issue? Folks, wake up and BAN THE RABBIS.. Do not listen to them. Rather do what is truly right.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:

I agree with wondering... It is interesting to see what the Rabbis are not saying about this, but how much they have said about a concert. Where are the priorities? What kind of Nation is this?

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:45 PM moishy Says:

my kid was molasted keep up u good work

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:51 PM Anonymous Says:

I may not be speaking for Dov, but I believe that the main thing that Dov has done so far is to increase awareness, and to set the direction that molesters will never have a place of refuge. That is great, and there needs to be no one who claims to be a shomer Torah Umitzvos that challenges that.

As of yet, I do not believe there is a mechanism in place to handle a single call about a accused molester. As I understand, there is work ongoing to establish a system, and this work will include various Rabbonim that span the spectrum of segments of the frum community. In the meantime, there is great fear that some kid will want revenge against a rebbe who punished him for anything, will create a story that his parents will call in to Dov’s office, and the rebbe and his family will suffer public disgrace instantly. I have trouble believing that Dov will take any major action without having set up a system. And I am firmly convinced that he is seeking “daas Torah” to establish the procedures.

Meanwhile, all of us on the sidelines and in front of our computers should be supportive of this process that is here to protect our children. That is much better than looking for ways to complain about it.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:52 PM Anonymous Says:

that was directed towards moishy 9:45

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:54 PM LEAH Says:

911 IS THE ONLY ANSWER.THESE FRUM ORGANIZATIONS

(THAT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS)ARE AT BEST WORTHLESS.

I CAN PROVE IT.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 09:59 PM who cares Says:

Agudath Isreal:
When someone molests you or your beloved ones, we'll make sure to turn the other cheek.
As for asking Das Torah, my husband tried that route when my brother was molested by a well known molester. The molester calmly admitted his guilt to them. The rabbonim begged us not to turn him in. When my husband asked them how they intended to stop this pathetic piece of garbage from hurting the next kid, they had no answer.
With the help of one of the askanim in Boro Park, we turned him into to the s-- crimes unit in crown heights. Why Crown Heights? So that the big shots in Boro Park wouldn't pressure the 66th pct to release the pervert.

After all was said and done, alot of big shots did get involved and Mr.,,,, got 30 lousy days of house arrest. A night before his sentencing he attacked another boy whose father was too cowardly to turn him in.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:23 PM Anonymous Says:

My father is a ehrliche yid who will not talk lashon hara period, but told me as young as 7 "if someone touches you in the privates, you tell me.. there are sick people out there"

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:38 PM flatbushDad Says:

way to go - I wish him luck - never too later - dov ignore the naysayers.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:

To Agudath Isreal,
Your comment on Rabbi Sherer is not believable, if he was alive he could speak for himself, but since he isn't you are speaking bad against a dead person. The chillul hashem is an aveirah most people don't realize has nothing to do with making Jews or even frum Jews look bad. This is something they made up in Cheder in America "Boys behave - make a kiddush hashem, not a chillul hashem". Acc. to the torah a chillul hashem is an aveirah done in front of ten jews. It is a chillul hashem not to stop a molestor, (someone who you know or can be choshet al pi din is one) because you aren't doing anything in front of ten or more jews! Lo tzaamod al dam rayechah!

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:06 PM Willi'er Says:

Kudos to Dov, But, lets not forget Nuchem Rosenberg for bringing up this "farveitugte" subject and still educating people with real m'siras nefesh.

I am glad that we are starting to realize that we were taken on a long ride by these ra-bunim.

It's about time to educate our kids right from wrong, we do mitzvohs because Hashem asked us to do it and not because John Doe is going to like it. We don't do sins because the Torah taught us not do it. And if Rabbi so and so makes a tremendous Chilul Hashem? tell him that it's WRONG!

We have to explain to our kids that there are alot of things that exist but we are Yidden and are forbidden to do it (not, by hiding that it even exists)

Lets not forget the old saying, "Don't judge a book by it's cover". wether it's the long payos, his long beard, big hat. It's only a lifestyle.

And last but not least WE HAVE TO SPEND MUCH MORE FAMILY TIME, Show love to our family. May Hashem help us that we should be zoche to have have alot of yiddish nachas, health, wealth and to antkagen Moshiach tzidkeinu, Umain.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:17 PM Anonymous Says:

if someone who falsely accuses and is proven wrong in a court of law and beis din he should pay and immense amount of money as a fine andthe kid should be banned from a normal yeshiva-that should reduce these false allegations

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:36 PM EINYID Says:



Dear Anonymous 9:40pm

I happen to know the the (senile)rebbe's O"H name, (M.B.W.) I was in that same class.

this women did not come on the show to blame anybody for her frei Yoily,if you listened with an open mind, her motivation is very clear:

A) remove the molestor from children (which they tried to do b'derech kovod, quietly, so the molestors family would not get hurt).

B)raise awarness on this very critical issue.

Instead of you trying to discredit theses suffering people, get out from your little comfort zone and educate yourself on this subject. It might help YOUR children one day.

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 Aug 04, 2008 at 11:55 PM Anonymous Says:

look what Reb dov can do. 100 rabbonim cant do what one man can do!!!

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:

This is what happens when a serious problem gets shoved under the rug.

A. The Rabbonim lose credibility in ALL areas.
B. The PROBLEM increases with 'interest' tacked on.

C. The bloggers become experts and Daas Torah.

Rosenthal 1:12 PM hit the nail on the head from a sociological standpoint, that has some bearing on this issue, and on many others.

D. Again this is what happens when DAAS TORAH gets corrupt with money, kovod, etc.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 12:18 AM OBER CHUCHIM Says:

it will be a kiddush heshem if we take these molesters and put them in jail for sixty years and show the world we have no symphty for molesters. let me ask you whats better people showing up after 40 years bringing up storys that were burreid under the carpet and nobody did anything to help these people.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 12:22 AM chaim katz Says:

you are doing a great job hashem will help you get a few of them hopefully alot of them your doing the right thing god bless you

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 12:31 AM Anonymous Says:


I was abused as a kid on numerous occasions by a teacher in my school. I pray that he lives hell on this world and in the world to come for eterity. I can not and will not forgive this animal. may he be cursed.

It's about time someone does something about it. Why the heck can't every school install cameras in every nook and cranny of the inside and outside of the buildings??

PRINT HIS NAME SO NO ONE ELSE SUFFERS.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 02:03 AM Anonymous Says:

My boys' school had a teacher accused of molestation. The school quietly suspended him with pay for several days. Using a top-notch children's psychologist, they determined that the molestation charges were true and fired him. He subsequently served time and is now on "megan's list". This argument of innocent until proven guilty and kids/parents using the system to ruin a teacher can be avoided by removing the teacher quitetly and carefully investigating the charges until it is somewhat clear the veracity of it. If abuse happened, it is almost 100% sure this is not the first one and the teacher needs to be removed immediately from contact with children.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 02:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Wake up people! Your communities are being run by people who want K A V O D.. Ban the Fake Concert Ban Rabbis and lets get some real leaders who actually care and talk about real issues.. Let the fake smokers and drinkers be punished by their own silliness - Do not succumb to them!

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 03:58 AM MARK Says:

BROTHERS...IT IS IMPERIATIVE THAT EVREY JEW CALL THEIR ELECTED OFFICAL AND DEMAND THAT EVREY RABBI,TEACHER,OFFICE WORKERS IN A YESHIVA GET FINGERPRINTED,AGUDAS ISREAL OPPOSITION TO THIS LAW IS A HEINOIUS ACT.FORGET ABOUT ABOUT SHERER HE IS GONE AND IRRELEVANT.CALL DOV HIKIND 853 9616 AND ALL STATE OFFICALS AND DEMAND THIS LAW BE ENACTED MARK MAYER APPEL -AM ECHAD MAY GOD PROTECT OUR SWEETEST KIDS

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 04:31 AM to the anonymous askan of 8:07 Says:

A police detective told a friend of mine that "Jewish parents are worse than Catholics, because they protect their rabbis instead of their kids." This was also the subject of a 3 part series in Newsday back in 2003 when it became clear that the Jewish community leadership had put tremendous pressure on D.A. Charles Hynes NOT to extradite a serial molester who had run to Israel. The cops said "everyone knows there are two rules of laws in Brooklyn. One for the Jews and the other for everyone else." Its one thing if we use our political clout for good, but when it is to protect the people who molest OUR children, I simply cannot imagine a bigger chillul hashem.

The list of rabbis who enable this or keep their heads in the sand is much too long to list. It would be much, much easier to list the rabbis who are doing something about it. Here it is:

That's it. NOBODY! Good luck Dov, but unless you are prepared not only to expose the molesters, but the heads of the institutions that enable them, you won't get too far. Also, you must expose those rabbis (who are not really hiding for anyone who opens their eyes) who are fighting together with the Catholic Church to stop legislation that would protect our children. Another wonderful show of concern for our own children.

The sickest part is their argument: Separation of Church and State requires that based on the First Ammendment and our right to practice our religion, we cannot be told by the government to provide safety in our schools or to have our rabbis be mandated to report to authorities suspicions of child abuse. It really sounds like the perverse hashkafa that molesting and abusing children is part of our religious practice like mila and kashrus that the government cannot touch. Another beautiful kiddush hashem.

But we don't need to worry about the future of klal yisroel because the rabbanim have stopped Lipa Shmeltzer concerts and also have told the women in Lakewood to buy thicker stockings, B"H. Our children are safer and we can all sleep soundly knowing that Moshiach is now surely on his way. So don't worry dear kinder, if someone is molesting you, at least you won't have to see women with thin stockings and you won't have to be exposed to bad music. As one rabbi told a friend of mine who was molested: if you develop psychiatric symptoms it is not caused by trauma, it is hereditary. And another rabbi told a boy who informed him that an adult had forced him to put his genitals in the man's mouth, "You'll get over it." And as a rosh yeshivah told my friend who was molested by the mashgiach in his yeshivah "it wasn't so bad". As for the other boy who was molested worse "We know about him, but he isn't coming forward to complain so we don't have to worry about him." Then there was the rosh yeshivah who told the therapist of a known molester that he doesn't need therapy because he would give him "torah therapy". These are all maysim shehayu.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 07:35 AM Anonymous Says:

"Dov sits in the NY State Assembly where they have been sitting on a bill that was already passed in the Senate. This bill would give protection to our children from these molesters, by requiring every yeshiva to do background checks and fingerprinting and make them mandatory reporters. Why hasn't this bill been voted upon yet? It'e been over a year now, Dov? Talk is cheap. We need action."

Dov is a good man, but he doesn't run the State Assembly. That would be none other than Sheldon Silver, who is regarded by many in the frum community as some sort of a tzaddik -- but who has big connections with many of the yeshiva leaders and doesn't want to see them embarrassed. If you want that bill to be voted on, write, telephone, e-mail and send telegrams to Shelly Silver and tell him to STOP HOLDING THIS BILL HOSTAGE. One word from him and it is done.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 08:17 AM grose Says:

for those who are pushing for the fingerprint law, it won't work. the public school teachers who are screened are not less likely to molest. in fact, the highest incidence of molestation currently in the usa is teacher to student. that said, this is an issue our community MUST deal with as hundreds of the kids off the derech are there just because of the issue. more importantly, we know G-d shields Klal Yisroel as long as "machanecha Kadosh". You cannot claim to have a community that is Kadosh when you are allowing every sexual twisted pervert to run rampant and have free reign. That is the exact opposite of Kadosh. First things first, folks must stop looking at victims as freaks, so that more victims are likely to discuss what happened to them without being afraid of "no one will marry me" etc. Since the numbers are as high as 1 in 5 folks, chances are many people are married to someone who has been molested, but just because of secrecy and because victims are looked down upon, it is kept secret. Second, there MUST be rules just like Yichud for educators -- NEVER should a child be left alone where they cannot be seen with any adult. Cameras would help somewhat, unless the predator lures children away from the camera which is likely to happen. EDUCATION -- parents talk to their children, introduce in school discussions FROM THE TORAH that would allow children to know when something is wrong. skipping the story of dina helps no one -- if children would be taught it, it would help the kids who'd been attacked (because they would say, Yaakov's daughter also had it happen) --and it would help those not attacked recognize an unhealthy situation. There are hundreds more of examples of teachable moments in Torah that would give us the open door to begin educating our kids. The fact that we skip it points to the influence of Christianity upon our Yiddishkeit (where certain subjects were taboo because of original sin). In other words, our frumkeit in not speaking is not frumkeit, but stupidity that makes our children vulnerable.
Lastly, there must be zero tolerance for molesters. Those who molest don't just do it to one person. There is a whole swath of lives such person ruins.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 08:23 AM Anonymous Says:

i haven't read all the comments, but as I see it, (from 1st hand experience, I might add) NOTHING will come of this UNLESS you DO call 911. Yeshivos WILL NOT sell out 1 of their own. They WOULD RATHER 'bashmutz' the child & his family in order to PROTECT "THEIR" good name. My experience was in YESHIVA OHR SHRAGA D'Veretzky & neither the "holy" rosh yeshiva nor his 'hailiga' son gave 2 hoots. They MISrepresented the ENTIRE issue @ hand, lied thru their teeth, JUST so they should come out of this SQUEEKY CLEAN. But let me tell YOU ALL, THERE IS A "HALIGA B'SHEFER" who SEES ALL & KNOWS ALL & EVERYONES day of reckoning comes sooner or later. Where is YIRAS SHOMAYIM???? Mechanchim, Roshei Yeshivos, etc.etc.
WAKE UP -- YOM HADIN is only a stones throw away.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 08:25 AM Anonymous Says:

I just went on that offenders registry website & found 2 Yidden living round the corner from me!! I'm sick to my stomach. I'm glad something is being done by Dov..it's not too late to save other victims.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 08:59 AM Emes Says:

Dov Hikind is someone who usually says what should be said and tries to do same.
Dov, please have a number where people can call and not be afraid of being identified.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 09:41 AM yb Says:

I don't think that perpetrators of sexual molestation should be protected but we do have a Torah to follow and there are certain Halochos regarding these issues. For a politician to take things into his own hands in order to get votes(or even if his intentions are Leshem Shomaiyim) is very dangerous. A few months ago I was called to a meeting in Lakewood and was shocked to see a group of the most respected Rabbonim together with a group of 30 Askonim. The agenda was raising money for a Beis Din that was put together a year before that. The Beis Din's spokesman offererd an overview of the mandate they were given and that is to investigate any claims of sexual abuse whether is is in a school setting, neighbors, bochurim or girls and to work to stop the abuse. R' Matisyahu salamon who is directly related and oversees the Beis Din spoke of horror stories here in Lakewood and abroad. No community is immune and only ones that are dealing with it in a professional way have and will be successful. They explained to us that not always is the legal way foolproof and a story was told of how a perpetrator was let loose because the legal system was not able to convict him whereas this Beis Din has been able to keep him in a self prescribed house arrest. There are many things that they do and this is not the forum to write about it but among a few things they do is to ankle braclet perpetrators sometimes requiring them to stay at home and warning them with legal action if they do not comply with the recommendations of going for professional help. They fund therapy sessions if necessary for the perpetrators and for the victims(in most cases if the victims are not properly treated they themselves will become perpetrators). The Beis Din is in constant contact with professionals in this field(to name one Dr. Pelcowitz) and they are getting constant education in this field. If I am not mistaken Lakewood has followed in the footsteps of the Chicago community after they set up such a system. We must remember that we have a higher authority to answer to,THE TORAH. Politicians have their own agenda and we Torah Yiddin need to stay away from these tactics. No one is saying that these people should go unpunished but there is a way to deal with them and not always is the legal system the right way to do it.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 01:03 PM Anonymous Says:

You know all you who say we should either thank Dov Hikind or Reb nuchem Rosenberg for bringing this serious issue to the forefront. The individual who should get the most credit even when it still politically incorrect, is none other than UOJ. This person was advocating for many years about this issue. Only now have all the others jumped on UOJ's bandwagon. Better late than never.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 01:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Anonymous 8:23

Is that Rebbi still teaching there? Please I have 2 sons there now and I really need to know!

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 01:42 PM lets face it Says:

Let's face it neither the legal or rabbinical way really works. What we need is a support group, made up of survivors who have healed to help the victims get through their ordeal and listen and determine which way to go. If legal is neccesary or would Rabbanim help. Me as a survivor would be willing to arrange a group like this. We could involve rabbonim and proffesional help as well. I will be speaking to a psychologist today and will be setting up a confidential website. I will keep you posted.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 04:08 PM Anonymous Says:

There are serial molestors in the frum communities who run rampant and molest tens of children, then they move to another city and they molest tens more, as they move from place to place they leave behind countless hurting confused and destroyed yidishe neshomos, and they do it with little shame and little fear of being caught. that is about to change very soon.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 05:26 PM A Therapist Says:

Parents and educators need to teach children that they can tell them anything, especially if someone is making them feel uncomfortable.

Children need to be taught this at a young age (4-8).

They need to be taught that there are adults who do bad things out there.

They need to be taught that they can tell parents, teachers and other safe people if someone does something that makes them uncomfortable.

They need to be taught that those people who they can tell parents about can even be teachers, rabbaim, brothers, uncles, aunts, friends of family, etc.

I caution parents from telling children that if anything ever happens they will do something bad to the person who does it. Firstly, you can not always follow through on that. Secondly, very often, it is with someone they have a close relationship with and may want to protect.

The secondary (and more devastating) trauma that children (and later as adults) have with sexual abuse is that they feel that they can not tell anyone, or if they do tell someone, their reports are discounted.

To all those who state that we should not presume someones guilt without proof. I fully agree. But, if there is smoke, I, for one, do not want the person watching or spending time with my children until the smoke is clear. Be dam L'caf Sechus, but, be safe and do not allow your children to be alone with him (or her).

Parents: Go home and talk to your children. Tell them that they can always talk to you about anything. Tell them that if an older person does something with them it is not their fault (you don't have to spell it out, it may sound silly to them now. But if the time ever comes, they will know what to do).

Dov - Thank you. You are doing what the community needs.

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:

to anon who wrote @1;19pm no THAT rebbe is NOT there anymore, BUT HOW can you trust a yeshiva who DENIED the entire thing JUST to protect THEMSELVES????????????ask yourself THAT question. I sure COULD NOT TRUST THEM anymore

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 08:14 PM Anonymous Says:

no one under 18 should be allowed to enter a mikveh just like in any gym

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 Aug 05, 2008 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:

If someone molests a child or anyone for that matter they should not be shielded by the rabbanim or community. It should be publicized so that other children will know who to be careful around. The molester should have thought about his/her family and the shame before doing the act. People who are aware must make sure the molester goes for therapy and stays away from others.

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 Aug 06, 2008 at 01:13 AM Yoily Says:

I wish that all of you doing some work in order to help this poor kids who are being molested, will succeed in a very easy way & rather sooner the later, because as far i can tell you from being a victim going through molestation is like hell on this world! i was molested by a family member at the age of 9 going on for a few months,, & as of today which is almost 20 years later i didn’t tell anyone of this story but just recently when this topic came on the agenda , i started thinking what effect it had on me, & all i can tell you is that i am by now a man in the high 20's married, a father of a few children doing my Jewish duties my family duties in a very responsible way,- but believe it or not i am a TOTAL MESS!, my mind is not clear I struggled through as a teen having a few other offers by people in the community, friends in yeshiva, & as well by family & house members of a well known rabbi of the yeshiva I went to, but of course at this age going through this as a boy I had courage to turn them all down , & make my way up as an excellent student, but now it all hits back on me VERY STRONG , that I have very often thoughts that what the hell am I doing in this community raising my kids in that old fashioned way were no one is protected & SEX is being hidden in the bottom drawer, i am not sure how much longer i will be able to hide it & keep my life straight I may very soon drop my family , my kids my community, all because of our stupid lifestyle which is causing molestation as a natural thing & not doing anything to stop it or help those affected, Thank You all for reading my letter , & wish you all the best

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 Aug 06, 2008 at 09:39 AM Anonymous Says:

My dear fellow Jews:

Halacha is clear. The result of being a molester is whatever the malchus dictates. Our community has no power to enforce or implement anything. We could create our own registry, but that would have the value of certain hechsherim – “not good enough for me”. We do not have the mechanism to track a molester through the system. He can change addresses easily, and the next yeshiva will not receive information about his history.

The prevailing psak din in our community is that a rebbe that is fired because of being a molester must be given two years salary (the estimate that it takes him to find another job). Think of the menahel that must hire another rebbe while paying one for not working. There is thus a financial incentive to not terminate a molester. That must change yesterday.

Everyone fears the shaming of someone until proven guilty. This is reasonable. However, we must develop a system that is halachically acceptable for determining such guilt. The poskim have already spoken about the issue of eyewitnesses, and the halachos are not with the same stringency of routine eidus in beis din. These piskei denim need to be publicized appropriately so that we do not have the foolish offhanded remarks such as “no penetration” or “who watched it happen”. The poskim I speak of are recognized, household name, renowned gedolim in Eretz Yisroel and America. B’ezras Hashem these tshuvos will be made public.

Among the worst issues in this whole parsha is the protection of individuals who are definitely guilty, and the allowing them to continue in chinuch or similar positions of risk. Dov’s project is proceeding slowly and carefully, and no one should get the idea that his passion for stopping the problem will lead him to do this recklessly. Much care is being taken to protect innocent, and every move will be with many Rabbonim guiding and supporting him.

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 Aug 06, 2008 at 09:49 PM B.R. Says:

May Hashem BLESS YOU WITH GEZUNT KOACH AND NACHAS!!!!!

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 Aug 07, 2008 at 01:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Dov is rare, very rare. He deserves all the praise that can be given to him. He never toed the party line as an assemblyman, and will not toe the party line as a YID either. And the Yeshivishe party line is that HEIMISHE Yidden can do no wrong!! They are the elect, the elite, the finest of the fine -- all because of a big black hat and a white shirt, nothing more required. Dov sees through that lie -- which has kept hundreds of thousands from returning to Torah, because you can smell it from a mile away. May Dov recieve the strong support of our community!
Along with Joe Lieberman and Natan Sharansky, he is one of the great Jewish leaders of our time!!!!

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 Aug 08, 2008 at 12:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Victims come forward! Dont think that you should protect these abusers because it will shame their family.. Nobody was thinking of Rosenberg's family... and he was only talking!

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 Aug 08, 2008 at 11:02 AM Once Molested Says:

Dov Salute to you !
I hope you will be able to be succesful and do your duties with success.
I once was molested many times by 5 different people, one My Rebbe in Kitah 7 I was 10 Years old, wont get into details, Thank god he is out of his Job, by now.
A Hitch taken From Williamsburg to BP.
A Grocery Keeper in BP.
A Mikvah participant, Hate them all.
They ruined my life, this women is so true on her interview, she brings out some great info.
and STOP PROTECTING THEM!
It's done over, GET THEM OUT.

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 Aug 09, 2008 at 10:28 PM Faige Says:

One of the oldest & biggest yeshivas here in Spring Valley has an accused child molester working in the school. He was let go because of an investigation by the school, but then rehired within a month "because the school had to have rachamonos on him since he wasn't able to get any other job". He is a rabbi, volunteers on hatzolah, has a pirkei group for boys on Shabbos, runs a teenage group for boys, etc. In the majority of these child-molesting cases, the victim grows up to be the molester. This yeshiva is unable to get rid of this rabbi because he will blow the whistle on someone higher up than him, or may be the whole administration. Here in Monsey, child molestation is rampant. However, no one is about to do anything because it will harm the chances of getting a decent shidduch for their children! How sick is that? Generations and generations of sick men & women. No wonder Moshiach refuses to come!

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 Aug 09, 2008 at 10:33 PM Anonymous Says:

The police must get involved. They have the expertise to dig up the details. The police must create an 800 number to receive calls re crimes of this type, just like they have a special number to call for other crimes. It's time to clean up the yeshivas & rid the homes from child molesters.

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 Aug 10, 2008 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

While I agree that child molestation is a vicious crime and "can" be a very disturbing factor in a young mans life, I do not agree that this is a reason for a child to become "UPGIFORIN". If the fact would be that molested children become "UPGIFORIN" then we would have many many more children to worry about. I do believe that the compounding pressure of our community and the misdirection of what true "YIDISHKITE" is, is the main factor of children going off the "DERECH" of Hashem. I think "CHINUCH" should be taught to, rather love Hashem then fear him and the "UPGIFORIN" part would be much less frequent. A child embraces love a lot better then it faces fear. Our "CHINIUCH" must be corrected to solve this problem.
On the topic of issue, a parent should tell his/her children about the terrible things they should beware of. In a smart and cautious way should they inform them that there are people out there who are sick and want to spread their sickness amongst children by touching them in "NOT TZNIUS SPOTS" and if anyone is to do that to them they should tell the parent. We must inform them that there may be a chance that the predator will warn them not to tell, but that is normal for the bad person to tell them. They should not fear anybody's threat and report such abuse immediately. From time to time a parent must remind the child about the conversation they had and ask if there were any violators. Do not fear exposure since the exposure you give them is better learned from a parent rather then a predator.
Just my thought.

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 Aug 13, 2008 at 12:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Dv Thank you

But please call up (you) Not Rabbi Rosenberg - and hear how they want to take care on these kind of problems

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 Aug 14, 2008 at 09:02 PM Anonymous Says:

this is to the one that says children might not like their rebbi and as a result make up some story and exagerate. well i have to answer that children and absolutely children dont know what molest means and that surely means that when he giv es a description that matches that he is not fabricating anything. whoever this writer is does not know what molest means. and you should be ashamed to answer this way. a reliable statistic says that children that were molested grow up doing the same!!! think twice about this is this what you want your child to do??? at any rate first find out what a molester does because you sound naive. hashem should help you to see the truth

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 Aug 23, 2008 at 10:35 PM Anonymous Says:

THE ORTHODOX COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD ARE NAIVE AND OBLIVIOUS TO THIS WHOLE MOLESTATION ISSUE. IF YOU ARE MOLESTED OR HAVE BEEN GO TO YOUR LOCAL DA'S OFFICE..HAVE THE GUY ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Aug 31, 2008 at 01:28 AM CCJ Says:

To the Yoily who says he was abused as a child and still suffers, please dont deny yourself the wonderful healing tool of therapy. I know that it is a great stigma in your/my community, but who have you got to fool? Do yourself and your family a favor. Leaving your family or community will not take care of your "messed up" mind. Your confusion and suffering will follow you, as unresolved issues will provide no rest.

I commend you for coming out and starting to think about how this affects you. You are strong and will become stronger!

Hashem help us as a community adn help the perpetrators find the strength to get themselves into therapy, which might or might not help, and help the victims find healing from within and support from the outside family and community!

PEOPLE MUST realize that many failed and rotten marriages are a result of these very molestation issues. SO MANY MARRIAGES are never happy ones because of these issues.

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 Aug 31, 2008 at 01:31 AM CCJ Says:

To the person who said he was molested five times: I first thought to myself that for one person to be molested five times by different people is a bit too much, perhaps exaggerated. But then I thought back to my own experiences, thank G-d none too serious, of being approached and attempted "touching". I can recall four separate times of being "touched", all four where I ran away/yelled before damage was done B"H.

I remember hearing, from a prominent personality in this field, that passive and shy children are typically victims, not the outgoing ones, loud ones, etc.

Hashem help us!

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 Sep 03, 2008 at 11:50 AM STEWERT Says:

DOV HIKING GOD BLESS THAT SOMEONE LIKE YOU IS COMING OUT WITH ALL THIS TERIBBLE THINGS

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 Sep 04, 2008 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:

TO ALL YOU IDIOT NAIVE POEPLE OUT THERE AND TO YOU IDIOTS AT VUS IZ NAIS THAT ARE PROTECTING THE NAMES OF PEOPLE AND DELETE SOME OF THE POSTINGS. YOU ARE ALL IN NEED OF THERAPY. ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE DENYING THIS WHOLE MOLESTATION ISSUES AND ARE NOTING THAT YOU HAVETO GO ACCORDING TO HALACHA. GOING TO THE DA AND PROSECUTING THE PEDOPHILE THAT IS HALACHA IN MY EYES....................WAKE UP TO REALITY ALL YOU IDIOT RABBIS WHO HAVE DENIED THIS FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS. WAKE UP

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 Sep 10, 2008 at 12:37 PM Leah Says:

If this comment is not posted, i will know that no one really cares to what is happening...

I am sitting here and reading the blogs for this amazing article that I just read and I can't believe how I feel… I wish Dov was around in my time when my own Father, a "Rabbi" was molesting me for five years straight and my own mother wouldn't believe me …

All of you have no idea what that feels like to know that at any moment your own parent that is supposed to love you and care for you the most in the world is undressing you and touching you in places at 10 years of age when you don't know what sex is about while wearing two braids by day.
None of you will understand what it means to have an orgasm at a tender age of 12 but you think that you peed yourself because you have no idea what an orgasm is….
None of you will understand what it's like when you own father's cumm is smeared on your delicate pale skin not understanding what it is…
None of you will know what it feels like when you are screaming to whole world HELP !!! and everyone is accusing you of being a liar because your father is a Rabbi…
None of you will understand what it feels like when you own father is sticking his fingers into your untouched premature vagina until it hurts and you are silently crying from pain…
None of you will understand what it feels like when you ask your father why he is molesting you on a daily basis and his answers are as follows: you are pretty and your eyes are sexually appealing (tziendig) … your mother is a bad wife .. Because I love you … and your mind tries to understand these things …
None of you will ever understand what it feels like to live with guilt as a little girl knowing that her eyes are sexual and corrupt her own father and trying to figure out a way how to change her eyes…
None of you will ever understand what it is like almost hanging herself to escape the pain…
None of you will understand what it feels like every day of my life knowing that my 3 adorable sisters still live with that DEAMON and having to live everyday with it …
None of you will ever understand…. Unless it would happen to you

So to all of you who don't understand because you HAVE NOT FELT THE PAIN, please do us victims a favor and just SHUT UP because you have no idea what you are speaking of and you are ruining chances for children that are helpless against those DEAMONS.

Dov, I am so proud that finally you stepped up, and yes please do GET FAMOUS because for once fame is here for a good cause and you will make the world a better place by bringing justice one deamon at the time …

My life's ultimate goal is to help helpless children in these types of situation around the world … the worst thing any HUMAN BEING can do is stop assistance for the needed victims because of their own selfish reasons and pride due to Religion and self image…

No one will know what it took for me to stay sane, to regroup, to build myself and my life after I picked up the broken pieces … I have not healed and I will never heal because I cry for my dear siblings and for every helpless child every day of my life…

Ask yourself:

ARE YOU HUMAN ENOUGH TO CARE?

Let's give dear Dov more power, more resources, more voice, more fame so he can help the helpless that need him !


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 Dec 03, 2008 at 12:41 PM is this the tore way? Says:

To kill a Nazi is a mitzvah, but to take a decent person and say that he is a Nazi it an act of murder. when you take a rabe who have thousands of talmidim who don’t say a bad word on him, and you only listen to one failure who is looking for a victim on whom to blame all his trouble, then it is a grate sin of "listening to lushon hora and hotzuas shem ra" which a horrible sin. I myself am a victim of a boy who vented to get even with me, so he went to the rabbe and told him that i did these kinds of things with other boys. The rabbe took me aside, and started to investigate me in a manor of hi rank detectives. He threatens me to "say the truth"... he told me that "he anyway known’s everything"... and the only way of getting away with be to plead guilty. He then gathered the whole yeshiva, and stated that for g-od's sake, everyone should stay far away from me, and not enter my dalit amos. There were constant meetings with all the roshe yeshiva, melamdim and menahalim. What to do with that devastating chote umachte. The rambam paskines, that a senhedrin who kills a parson more then ones in 7 years is called chovlanis. Although the sanhedrin were made up from the biggest tzadikid of the dor (and then there were a holy generation) and each and every step complied with the tore. I am wondering the way people are excited to kill people and ruin their families by believing all those things without any verification. I call out to everyone. Remember, when you believe such things without two eidus who have seen the actual story, (plus, the eidim must be investigated according to the haluche) you give a hand to murders. And you create the biggest mekatreg in haven upon you. (The court in haven will also believe what ever the mekatreg will say without any verification bemide sheudum moded, bo modeden lo [with the manner that a person judges, in the same manner he will be judged.

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 Jan 25, 2009 at 09:54 AM rabeiny yoel shlita Says:

dov dont give up god should bless u with enoughf strenth to take down each and evry molester vote for dov hikind for president

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 08:29 AM Rube Vogel Says:

The laws of Yichud should be applied on school grounds. A grown man should never be left alone with a child. This stuff happens way too much.

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