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Fallsburg, NY - South Fallsburg Police are requesting Hatzolah EMS to respond to their Police Station for a teenage victim that was assaulted by two other teenagers that have since been arrested, after being stopped by a Fallsburg police officer while they were smoking drugs on Main Street.
The two 16-year-old boys from Brooklyn while on drugs, assaulted the other teen also from Brooklyn in front of the bakery on Main Street. Officers asked them to leave the location, but they resisted, that's when they were placed under arrest.
Police Chief Simmy Williams said the two were charged with assault in the third degree, criminal possession of marijuana, and unlawful possession of marijuana.
The two assailants were arraigned by a Fallsburg judge who set their bail, one to $5,000, and one to $2,500.
Main Street in the Town of South Fallsburg is under 24hr surveillance with cameras, which helps the police department with many crimes.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 11:41 AM Catskills Coordinator Says:
And to our shock and awe. The 'assault'ers were non other then our own miguided teens.
Shame that it's getting to this (2nd time this summer where one of ours is arrested)
Hope this is a lesson for all the bums out there.
The law is the law and the police will enforce it.
This is not the back of Shul shabbos morning.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM Anonymous Says:
Hmm...so what happened? Let's hear the story...
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Aug 15, 2008 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:
Again Nuchim Rosenberg
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Aug 15, 2008 at 12:16 PM mr. honest Says:
where are all the people that say Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg is a menuvel.....it is sad to say but he is so wright in every point he addresses .....
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Aug 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM leib Says:
Who cares if their jews if they want ti come boms let them come bums it's their chice no one has to go crazy everytime a yid gets arrested enough is enough maybe write the boys names also
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Aug 15, 2008 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:
Leib
Maybe ask for the names for Tehilim...
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Aug 15, 2008 at 12:52 PM simcha Says:
catzkill macher--> "This is not the back of Shul shabbos morning" you mean its common for people to puff the magic dragon in the back of your shul on shabbos?!?!?! Tell me where YOU DAVEN!!!
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Aug 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM Greatfully Recovered Addict Says:
These kids need to be shown some love and caring and sent to rehab. I was once a misguided teen (and adult) hooked on drugs and alcohol. Thank Hashem I found the solution to my problems. Embarassing these kids by publishing their names is NOT the solution. Drugs and alcohol in our community needs to be addressed by the gedolim in our generation head on. It's a growing trend that will just keep on getting worse, unless something is done. Rabossi let's take our heads out of our tuchus's and take a good look around us. It's not a nice site. Yeshivos need to start educating our children about the harm that substance abuse can cause them. Parents need to be taught how to identify drug abuse and how to approach their kids if they do suspect it. Instead of being embarassed about the misguided kids in our community and shunning them, we need to embrace them and show them that we do love and care about them. They have to believe they aren't outsiders and we don't care about them. Instead of ignoring one of these kids next time you pass them in the street why don't you smile at them and say good day ? Make them feel the love!!!
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Aug 15, 2008 at 01:04 PM Nechamah Says:
I was told that someone was once talking to my Rebbe ztzl about children who were doing things that were not good; the man remarked, "Well, apples do not fall far from the tree." To which the Rebbe ztzl remarked,"They do in a hurricane." We are indeed in stormy times, where even a child in the most sheltered home is exposed to debris of the outside world, and sometimes R''L swept into that tornado. And I will say that not many homes are the protection from these storms that they should be. Children need nurturing; they need mothers at home and not daycare or babysitters and nannies. This is not to say women should not have careers; they should just be put off until the children are grown, or in school where the mother is home in time to greet them. This very skewed pattern of women supporting the families while the men work has left the most vulnerable--the children-- exposed to the elements without the protection provided by stable, kosher, nurtured, calm childhood. As for those who cry that a man must sit and learn and so the wife must support everyone, consider this: 1- the ktuba states the man provides, not the woman or parents; 2- when Torah says we are created 'bTzelem Elokim' it doesn't say only those who sit and learn; 3- 'vahavta lereyecha' does not say-- 'lereyecha sheyoshev bayeshiva kol yom'; 4- many who go off the derech do so because they were scolded,punished, made to feel inferior, and ultimately disenfrachised because they do not learn well. Are not all Jews special in the Aibishter's 'eyes'? Rather than dismissing them as bums, give children nurturing homes, nurturing education where no matter their skills, they are made to feel a worthy and necessary part of Yisrael.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 01:05 PM Mikva Says:
Unfortunately most Mechanchim, Teachers and professionals say the same thing: It all starts with the HOME !
The father comes home after a treacherous day's work, KNOCKED out without any patience leider to his wife, children, etc.
So if there's no love shown to kids from craddle on, they seek their attention somewhere else and then the "somewhere" else is unguided, misguided or worse and they end up as this episode.
Teachers, schools, Rebbe's, Roshei Yeshivo's can only REINFORCE what the children get at home but they cannot CREATE the bond of love that's missing.
LEIDER LEIDER, very sad indeed. HASHEM YEREICHEM.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 01:24 PM David S Says:
please stop with all the fake sympathy. this is normal behavior. this is normal for teenagers.
we all did crazy things. tell nuchem to stop making a fuss. if the priest can do it, so can the rebbe in cheder. if you dont like it, just your pull your kids out of the cheder, and send him to the board of ed. they have better security there, and its free too. you can have both worlds. pleeze stop the tummell about nothing. people make choices.
we cannot and will not take it away. we make decisions every day. if people will send their kids to a school that has no security, thay made A choice. we have to teach parents, they are responsible for their decisions.
btw, Pleeze use a spell checker before posting ur two cents, less chillul hashem.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 01:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“Mechanchim, Teachers and professionals say the same thing: It all starts with the HOME “
How sad that they blame other causes for their own failures? How many young adults in top collages across the world come from bad or broken homes? The problem starts and ends in school. We have undereducated teachers and no set in stone curriculum, no higher standard those kids can strive to become, no elite who students can envy, no pride in success, no recognition(we all need that in life at the very least as a initial motivator)everything is upside down, where is the ambition? Where is the structure? Where are the professional educators who learn for years so they can teach? Deal with children and express the studies in concise manner? Where are the parents? The parents send their kids to school to get their children educated “chanoch Naar al pi darcho” and the schools are failing.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 01:37 PM Greatfully Recovered Addict Says:
I think it's very unfair to blame the parents of these kids. I'm involved on a daily basis with kids at risk or way past that stage and I can tell you from very personal experience that there are many cases where the parents are extremely nurturing, loving and caring and yet they have kids that are addicts. An addict is an addict is an addict. You can't look at the parents and blame them for their kids. My parents were very loving and caring. My mother was a true housewife, always taking care of her children and yet I still turned to drugs and drinking. Let's stop blaming and let's start doing!
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Aug 15, 2008 at 02:38 PM Anonymous Says:
As Nechama at 1:04 points out so aptly.
Say it like it is. People should open their eyes and see how crooked this whole concept is of mothers supporting families, and children being brought up by baby sitters and nannies.
Fathers have to know that their learning is not worth much if it affects children in harmfull ways.
Learning Tora is very noble and you must learn. Get up early in the mornings to a Shiur, have a Shiur in the evening.
You will get double credit in Shamayim. First for learning, whenever time permits, and secondly for bringing up a great generation.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 03:30 PM Anonymous Says:
At this point, "blame" is a waste of time. Instead, get off your comfortable armchair cushions or your leather boardroom chair & start funding programs that help Jewish addicts. Let's start with Bechirot that works with frum parents & schools. They're in the phone book under B for Bechirot (Brooklyn-based.)
Not all addicts, drugs or alcohol, are teens. I know of 1 father who was hooked on drugs by no other than his Frum dentist!!! (I don't mean novocaine for toothache, I mean cocaine etc for recreational use.)
How do I know? His wife, my friend, came crying to me. I never knew such things existed until then. Boy, did I learn fast!
The thing is, this was 20 years ago. I believe the dentist is still in business. Many more fathers are addicts & you'd never know by looking at them. So what can we expect from kids?
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Aug 15, 2008 at 03:36 PM anon Says:
Nechama is right (especially this Shabbat) - when the family is upside down the children get a skewed idea of the world.
Parents for too long have not taken responsibility for their childrens education or gotten directly involved with what and how their kids are being taught - parents put too much trust in the principal and teacher and don't check things out. Or they send their kid to a particular yeshiva because its "chashuv" - yet the school is dysfunctional. Yes is said dysfunctional school - teachers that should have been fired 20 years ago - nepotism in administration - principals without proper education or qualifications or experience etc etc.
As per drugs because of family background - that's nonsense - I have seen guys and girls from great families get hooked - first they get a few freebees and then they are hooked - one stupid act can open a tidal wave of tzurot. I know people from screwed up families who never used drugs.
David S. Its not normal behavior - normal is saying no - especially not getting drunk enough to take the drug freebee. And take your own advice - use a spell checker.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 04:25 PM anonymous Says:
People, where are the concert ban rabbis on this issue? why are they silent? why do they ruin a concert promoter but this is ok? Once again, you are blind. Stop these rabbis from doing more damage - silence is not golden in these areas. It starts with concert ban rabbis allowing smoking in thier schools (they themselves smoke or have in the past).. It is talking form 2 sides from the mouth and this is def. not Kosher..
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Aug 15, 2008 at 04:29 PM Charlie Brown Says:
Nechama and all those who agree with her,
I'm sick and tired of all of life's ills being blamed on the kollel system. are u saying that only kollel families have kids on drugs??? If that was true, shouldn't it be much more prevalent in lkwd than in brooklyn?
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Aug 15, 2008 at 04:32 PM Charlie Brown Says:
oh and BTW, i am not in kollel and my wife works at home. I agree with your main point that kids are better off with their mother around than with a babysitter, but its not a kollel issue. Most working men cannot make enough money without the wife working too.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 04:36 PM Anonymous Says:
99% of these boys and girls have great parents who cares and will do everything in the world for there kids and most probably spend thousands of dollars on help. most of these kids have a reading issue which was never addressed they dont know the alef bais and even if they they know alef bais they got stuck at kitah alef putting the word together as they grow older they
get frustrated and year after year they the more they open a chumish a siddur in there eyes the siddur and chimmush yells at them you stupid you can't read me the whole class davens and learns and you stupid can't they have no chaishik for any thing the whole class is uptoo toisfes and he is stuck with alef bais another year and another year goe's by they become bar mitzvah they have to go to minyan and they can't daven. i garentee you their parents allready spend enough money in the amount of to marry off 2 kids without tekunes and which yeshiva will take this boys and girls and the rest of the story chek out fallsburg police dept.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 05:05 PM Library Lover Says:
I agree with all those who say it is NOT the home..I too have worked with and am involved with Kids at risk and beyond..and at LEAST 80% of the time, it is our SCHOOL SYSTEM which is to blame.(I have heard this directly form these kids...) The kids who are different are made to feel worthless, and the school focuses on 'important' things ....like not wearing denim skirts b/c they are not considered 'proper', or the horrible issur of drinking soda from a can, not a cup, because it is not tznius......these are the things today's girls' high schools stress..
The schools make the tofel the ikkur, and the ikkur, which is how they treat any child who questions them, or DOES wear, ch'v, a denim skirt, the tofel...and then they wonder why kids turn to drugs for escape...I would not want to be these principals/teachers after 120...
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Aug 15, 2008 at 05:35 PM Anonymous Says:
THE BOTTOME LINE IS THAT THESE KIDS DONT FIT THE MOLD IN SCHOOLS AND THEY FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS. IT IS CORRECT THAT IT STARTS IN THE HOME BUT WHEN THE CHILD FEELS A FAILURE IN SCHOOL THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS HE FALL INTO. NOT EVERYONE CAN BE THE TOP STUDENT AND THE YESHIVA SYSTEM TODAY ONLY CATERS TO THE "A+" STUDENT
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Aug 15, 2008 at 05:48 PM anon Says:
Following up.
The drug problem is everywhere and yes in Lakewood and Cleveland and Yerushalayim.
The Rabbis wil not say anything that crimps their cash flow money comes in based on number of students in kollel and number of kinderlach in yeshivas..
There is a heck of a lot more in Kollels than you think - and most isn't Cocaine or Marajuana its Alcohol (gateway drug) and cigarettes.
Many of the youth have parents that would spend tons of money to straighten them out - but if they were PARENTS (instead of just older bigger people who are around or not around) most of this wouldn't exist. These kids want a parent who disciplines and loves them - not the shiksa. And a kid who feels that mom or dad will tear my head off if I do that - is less likely to do that. (Does not mean you should abuse your kids to get that fear and respect)
If the parents are involved the kids are less likely to use alcohol and then drugs - and find out any learning disability and have it corrected.and find out about abusive and unqualified teachers (when is the last time you audited your kids class) However the school is there to teach subjects not bring up your kids - that's the parents JOB.
The problem with kollel families is that too many are not prepared to be parents or even be married - there are 38 year old babies marrying off 18 year old babies. With reversed financial lifestyles and tons of debt and often welfare food stamps etc - how do you think a kid feels if they are broke and on the dole. Bet you thought they don't notice!
If you are a parent and you come home from work and take a nap and don't check up on your kids and find out what they are up to and with whom and when - then for what are you working - you are ignoring your most expensive asset. Get healthy - jog - get energy and get involved in your kids lives.Nap at 99.
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Aug 15, 2008 at 06:14 PM anon Says:
Since I am on a roll -
Yeshivot have become the guards at the gate for what they believe is Judaism. And a false recreation of what they were told was yeshiva world in Europe.
Its a shame too many principals and administrators are bigoted narrow minded idiots who care about Hats, shirt colors, skirt patterns and all sorts of stupidity.
They are like Army Drill sergeants who don't understand that after the 6 weeks of boot camp - recruits are allowed to be creative individuals.
Stifling individuality and only having forced conformity breeds more idiots like them and caused "children at risk".
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Aug 15, 2008 at 07:10 PM Anonymous Says:
Nobody is t blame, and everybody is to blame. Many parents fail to look after children, for instance recently I passed a quiet street at about 11:30 at night there was this young bachur talking on a cell phone at a corner by himself. very chasidish looking. Why is he not in camp? Also there was this rebbe many years ago that told me he is only interested in teaching the average to great students the rest should go get help. what do you say to that.
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Aug 16, 2008 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:
How many people got plastered over Shabbos Nachamu? How many calls did the selfless Hatzalah members have to go on over Shabbos because of stupid, self-indulgent behaviors? I daren't even think about Misaskim & Chesed Shel Emes, chasv'Shalom.
Anon from yesterday 6:14 is right. So is Anon 4:25 & Library Lover & all the others who say the same kinds of things. But NOBODY DOES ANYTHING!! Talk, moan, kvetch...and NO ACTION.
WHEN will see changes in the Yeshivas?? They are quick to ban kids & demand hefty fees. Start taking care of your children, because yes, they are yours too.
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Aug 16, 2008 at 09:48 PM Anonymous Says:
But, what about the physical violence? Nobody commented on that, only value judgments on kids at risk, bums.
Do drugs cause violence outside of bad deals gone awry?
Violence, vandalism, these require professional intervention. As has been observed, like the police department upstate, today's yeshivois use video surveillance systems so that they know who to kick out. That's all they have to do.
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Aug 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM cholesterol Says:
let all yeshivos close down since 80 percent are considered below average and are not accepted in most yeshivas
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Aug 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM Emes Says:
If the issue is that these boys were not accepted into a Yeshiva, let's name those yeshivos and not the names of the boys. Unfortunately, these stories can be heard about families where the mother is home.
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Aug 16, 2008 at 11:53 PM Anonymous Says:
While I am posting under Anonymous, some may recognize from my statements who I am.
The fingers of blame truly point everywhere, and the defensiveness of anybody is useless. The parents and family contribute to the problem, and so does chinuch. The outside world contains influences that could never have been imagined a generation ago. The systems we are trying to use to raise our children, both at home and in yeshivos are obsolete. This is not Ch”V a statement about Torah, but our way of trying to deliver it so that it works. I read, with great disgust, how the ways of those with any secular training must be abandoned and challenged, and that no one should allow them to participate in training of mechanchim. The alternative is that our chinuch system is populated by large numbers of well-intentioned but clueless and untrained men and women. And these are supposed to serve as the role models that are the surrogate parents while the real parents work to subsidize the outrageous tuitions and kids are in school. That very thought should cause fright.
Parents are not doing enough. The skills needed to raise children are far beyond the tasks of meeting their physical needs, providing then with leisure activities, helping with homework, etc. Even the ways we try to bond with our children are not working that well. Our environment is a hurricane, and very strong anchoring is needed. We had no experience with that as kids ourselves.
It is remarkable that only the “problem” situations generate discussion. Even the ‘average” among us without apparent problems are seriously lacking. The place we should be at in our own avodas Hashem is not enough to transmit this adequately to our next generation.
The comment about giving these kids love is a valid point. Just examine how we usually approach these kids. Parents and chinuch focus on “discipline”. That basically means lectures, confrontations, punishments, and the proverbial push into the arms of the street with its influences. And we started this direction when their behaviors were mild in comparison to where they end up. And we sit and blame them, when much of the blame is really ours.
Wake up, rabbosai. The “richuk” that we seem to embrace is an utter failure. The process of “kiruv kerovim” is an art and talent, and is found in too few places and individuals. Next time there are public speeches on the topic, pay attention and listen. There is a lot to learn.
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Aug 17, 2008 at 12:06 AM Nechamah Says:
First of all, I did not write to place blame--not on Kollel system nor on parents in general. I am talking about the best situation to protect children from the 'hurricane' that can cause a child from the best of places to go far from the 'tree.' As many of you brought up, there are many sources that should be protecting children, enabling them to grow strong and have the halachic background as well as emotional and spiritual security, to handle the 'storm' and anything blown their way. The home is one source,the community another, and the yeshiva (yeshiva world in general and each yeshiva specifically) another. And when you consider the amount of time spent in yeshivas, both daily and cumulative, you realize how crucial they are. Some of you brought up major problems with the yeshivas, and it is truly sad yet sadly true. I am a mechanechet and learning specialist, and have found some yeshivas to be so terrible that I urged parents to get their children into other places. It is especailly heartbreaking for children who do not fit or conform or cannot produce or perform the way a specific yeshiva demands. In fact, the first major paper I wrote was on exploring why children raised 'orthodox' or 'frum' were going off the derech. Almost every person I interviewed cited one of 2 reasons: 1- that he was made to feel he wasn't good enough for the Torah world because he couldn't learn well, that he was just being lazy, or following his 'yetzer hara;' was made to feel that he did not belong. I know of one young man who was told if he "wore a bigger yarmulke he would not have any learning problems," as if the size of his headcovering or even what it represented was the root of any learning disability which could be elimnated by the 'right' headcovering and whatever that represented; 2- hypocrasy: many of those interviewed could not take the conflict of being told to follow rules, and seeing the adults not following the rules; of being told 'derech eretz kadma laTorah' and then seeing lack of derech eretz; being told emes is the Torah way by people who were cheating to get public assistance and rationalizing it by saying 'better us than them.' Can we not see how that behaviour would lead a child, not even off the derech, to thinking drug use is ok? And, by the way, I don't find drug use to be 'normal' behaviour.
When researching,I was told by a rav that he saw these children who were going off the derech as weeds that needed to be pulled out of the garden of Yisrael. CHvch! Every Jew, every Jewish child, is of value and needs to be made to feel that way. More than once I have read of extraordinary efforts to help a child who was not raised orthodox, to become so, with outreach to the parents, even following them and helping them to get to and stay on a Torah derech. Each time I read these inspiring stories, I wonder what would happen if we taught every Jewish child as if he were so valued, as if he were at risk and so needed our patience and help. BH I had the opportunity for 7 years to teach in a yeshiva that did just that, valued every child, helped every child. Unfortunately, it was out of the ordinary and nothing like the yeshivas I personally had experienced or others in which I had taught.
BH, I don't just sit around and talk and moan; I DO do something about it as much as possible. It is a huge task; remember that although lo alyich hamlacha ligmor, lo atah ben chorin lhivatel mmena. Lo hamidrash haikar, aila hamaase.
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Aug 17, 2008 at 12:30 AM goji Says:
stop writing such long megilas
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Aug 17, 2008 at 12:32 AM Nechamah Says:
Anonymous, you reminded me of one of my favourite short stories of the Besht. One of his followers came to crying, that his son had gone off the derech. "What should I do?" the poor man cried. "DO?" the Besht answered: "Love him even more."
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Aug 17, 2008 at 02:52 PM Avrohom Abba Says:
Adults are also at risk and fail many times. The adults are also tempted by outside influences and they fall for it always. Thjey see fat steaks and eat them, they buy "good" whiskey and drink it, they go through red lights just when they are changing, they cheat for taxes, they miss davenings, and then they get extremely upset when kids fall to temptation.
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Aug 17, 2008 at 11:45 PM not fooled Says:
It is time people actually go and do something and not just talk. It is high time to throw out these 'rabbis' who themselves are smokers - what a terrible role model. These are not orthodox people. It is a clear torah violation to hurt ones health. These' rabbis' are in violation of it, and then have a nerve and audacity to bring down a concert promoter with a silly ban. It is time to ban these so called rabbis. They are the ones who have caused these problems and they should not be in charge. Throw them out and be strong!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:47 AM Anonymous Says:
I was thinking, that perhaps when one sees such a thing, one should get involved and take action. I don't know if Yidden were there or not, but we should not be afraid to get involved. Just like in the case of a yid getting lost: http://www.vosizneias.com/19471/2008/08/18/woodridge-ny-search-for-missing-elderly-alzheimers-patient/ . So, so too, we should realize that b'ruchniyus also, there is a concept of a Hatzola call, and we should get involved immediately; just like Hatolza. Z'chusim to Klal Yisroel, and a good year.