Kiryas Joel, NY - The Undisputed Tzadik Hador Missed And Revered By Tens Of Thousands, The Holy Rebbi Of Satmar, Reb Joel Teitelbaum Zt’l On His 29th Yurtzeit |
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Ridiculed in life for his rigorously uncompromising religious faith, he continues to be revered in death for his refusal to concede even an iota of change or modernization. The flourishing, exploding community he left behind—which today has more than doubled in size—still has more than its fair share of detractors in Jewish communities both religious and otherwise.
But the true genius, and the greatest contribution, of the Satmarer Rebbe was his creation of a gold standard of purest Jewish faith and adherence that the entire Jewish world, frum or not, ultimately respects, regardless of how they feel about it.
Old photos from the satmarer rabbi see slide show
Early years
Reb Yoelish was born on the 5th of Teves, 5647 (January 1, 1887) in Sighet, Hungary (now Romania), to Rabbi Chananya Yom Tov Lipa Teitelbaum, the Rov of Sighet. He was the youngest of five children.
From an early age, Yoelish displayed the agile mind and quick wit that would become his trademark in later years. His fertile and keen intellect quickly absorbed his limudei kodesh in his earliest years, filling his memory with the Torah he would later share with enthralled followers and distant observers alike. His seforim were drawn upon "by many rabbonim clandestinely," reports respected historian Rabbi Berel Wein, who merited to share a unique relationship with the Rebbe over the years.
Reb Yoelish married Rebbetzin Chava, the daughter of Plantcher Rov Rabbi Avraham Chaim Horowitz, at age 17. They had three daughters. Rebbetzin Chava tragically passed away in the 1920s, and Reb Yoelish remarried Rebbetzin Alte Feige (née Shapiro) a few years later. In the 1920s, he served as the Rov of Krole, Hungary and became the Rov of Satu Mare, Hungary in 1934. Well-known as both a gaon and a tzadik, talmidei chachomim and Chasidim flocked to him from far and wide. And his fame kept growing. By the time the Nazis, yimach shmam, arrived in Hungary in 1944, he was one of Eastern Europe's leading Rebbes.
An old Video [undated]clip shows the Satmarer rabbi entering his car see below
The 1940s and 1950s
Through a series of miracles large and small, coupled with the intervention of Jewish-establishment activist Rudolph Kastner, the Rebbe escaped on a legendary train transport that carried him, and over 1,600 select others, to safety in Switzerland, although they were perilously diverted to Bergen-Belsen for over four months during this journey.
In the aftermath of the Holocaust, Reb Yoelish made his way to Eretz Yisroel, where he became the leader of Jerusalem's Chareidi community and remained until 1946. But due to the request of many of his followers the Rebbe departed the Holy Land for American shores, preferring Brooklyn over a Jewish state he saw as soulless, anti-religious and artificial.
When Reb Yoelish Teitelbaum arrived in America, he set up his then-small court in Williamsburg, which was then teeming with frum although non-Chasidic Jews. He was the first "major-league" Rebbe to put down roots in Williamburg after the war (the Tzeilimer Rebbe had been the first Rebbe at all to settle in the neighborhood; he had the good fortune of arriving in 1939).
It was at this point that the first signs of things to come began to emerge. Reb Yoelish quickly established his own cheder, shul, beis medrash and mikvah—all the trappings of a self-contained, fully functioning frum community, and With the financial help of a few self made Satmar philanthropist in the community at his side. Reb Yoelish quickly established a reputation as the new gold standard in town—a reputation and a legacy that continues to this day.
The story is told that once during those early years, before the Rebbe's fame and following rendered access to him difficult, the Rebbe was walking a Williamsburg street when he was stopped by a Yiddish-speaking, non-religious but traditional Jew, an Americanized Yid whose Yiddishkeit had fallen by the wayside as it did with so many in those years. The clean-shaven, well-dressed gentleman complained that the Satmar Rebbe's complete rejection of modern American society was bad for the country. "Rebbe! You're going to ruin America!" the man lamented, perhaps even with good intentions—to which the Rebbe smiled and replied, "Don't worry. I haven't ruined America yet. But I will!"
the famous event of Kof Aleph Kislov where the satmarer rabbi participated
The 1960s and 1970s
Through the late 1950s and 1960s, as frum Williamsburg underwent numerous changes, Chasidishe Williamsburg—spearheaded by the leadership of Reb Yoelish—continued to grow. As crime grew and the frum community shrunk, with Yeshivah Torah Vodaath moving out in the 1960s from north Williamsburg, Satmar became the nucleus and the anchor around which revolved the emerging new face of Williamsburg.
With Reb Yoelish's large home a former mansion befitting the distinguished Rebbe, the new epicenter of Williamsburg became the Lee/Bedford Avenues area. The chedarim and girls schools now educated hundreds of children, most of whom were already the second generation of American-born Satmar Chassidim.
Everything about this Williamsburg was defined by the Satmar Rebbe. Yiddish was, and is, the lingua franca in everything from chinuch to commerce, with Yiddish-language store signs and Yiddish in the street rendering Williamsburg an insular but healthy shtetl right in the heart of Brooklyn. It was the realization of the Satmarer Rebbe's vision—a world in which a frum Yid was surrounded by as much kedusha as possible, with virtually no secular inroads or compromises made whatsoever.
Furthering this "Goshen" atmosphere was the 1960s creation of Kiryas Yoel in upstate Monroe, New York, a self-contained, completely frum "shtetl" that stands strong to this day as one of the most powerful frum community in the United States.
And in the context of creating a fully self-supporting shtetl in the noblest traditions of Europe's great Jewish cities, it was the Satmarer Chasidim, inspired by their great and holy Rebbe, who showed the way for the rest of the Jewish community, teaching them just what Jewish community and "kol Yisroel arievem" means. The world-famous Hatzolah volunteer ambulance corps was born in Williamburg. So was Shomrim, the community patrol that every major Brooklyn frum community has. Gemilas Chasudim Fund, Keren Chasanim, MRA, Hashuvas Avideh, Bikur Cholim Rooms at hospitals, And the Satmarer Rebbetzin, for her part, created a flourishing Bikur Cholim organization that today serves as the model for other such organizations; the legendary Satmar Bikur Cholim of Williamsburg today prepares and serves hundreds of meals daily for Manhattan and Brooklyn Jewish hospital patients. It is rightfully fair to say, that today most of the frum Jewish volunteers organization in NYC has some roots from Satmar.
The 1980s and Beyond
Much of the Satmar Rebbe's stance on Zionism, largely due to the State of Israel being the emotional issue that it is for Jews, is hugely misunderstood. It is clear by the communities he established that Reb Yoelish merely wanted to continue the age-old, faith-driven traditions of Yisroel Saba, honed and reinforced over centuries in Europe—that simple emunah that the Master of the Universe, heralded by His Moshiach, would bring Jews back to Eretz Yisroel, and not the secular-learning socio-political movement that is Zionism.
In one of the strongest known writings in his Sifer ‘Vayoel Moshe’ the Satmar Rebbi states the following: “if we place all the immodesty and promiscuity of the generation and the many sins of the world on one side of the scale, and the Zionist state on the other side of the scale by itself, it would outweigh them all. Zionism is the greatest form of spiritual impurity in the entire world. They are polluting the entire world. They have polluted the Jewish people with their heresy”.
Many of the Rebbe's contemporaries agreed with Reb Yoelish, and continue to do so at least in personal belief even while accepting the State and working with it to make it more "kosher." Despite their differences, these gedolim all knew that when it came to frumkeit, Reb Yoelish was the undisputable tzadik hador.
Times Herald record who was known to be a strong critic when the village of Kiryas Joel was Esteblished in 1970 reporting of the passing of Reb Joel Zt'L Aug 20 1979. click to enlarge
And Reb Yoelish's tzidkus was only matched by his scholarship.
Rabbi Ephraim Greenblatt of Memphis, Tennessee, shlita, [a big talmid chocham] a talmid muvhak of Reb Moshe Feinstein, zatzal, recently told VIN News in a different interview that when he asked Reb Moshe who to consult on Torah learning, he was told, "go to Reb Yoelish—he has kol hatorah kulah in his head and knows more than anyone from this generation." Rabbi Greenblat told VIN news that when he first met the satmarer rabbi after the advice of his rabbi, he was mesmerized of the Bekias Hatorah of Reb Yolish.
The great tzadik and leader Reb Yoelish Teitelbaum passed away in 1979, leaving a huge community, and Klal Yisroel, grieving for its terrible loss. 29 years later thousands of his chasidim still continue to talk with tearful emotions of 'Der Hilger Rabbi', as they used to call him.
Rabbi Wein, who merited a personal visit from the Rebbe in 1960s Miami Beach while serving as a rov in that city, paraphrases a gemara about the passing of a great Tanna, who was mourned by a contemporary who said, "Now there is no one to be afraid of." The Satmarer Rebbe, who came to symbolize absolute adherence to the highest levels of frumkeit, inspired awe in all, says the rabbi.
It can perhaps be said that the greatest measure of a great man is what he leaves behind when he dies—or what he doesn't. Reb Yoelish left this world with the slimmest of personal possessions, and absolutely no money. Whatever money he had always went to tzedakah, and thousands of Jews will attest that it was the Satmarer Rebbe who was baal chesed of the generation, having discreetly helped them through crushing troubles over the decades.
When Rabbi Yaakov Kamenetzky Zt'l spoke at the unveiling of the matzeivah (monument) at the gravesite of the Satmar Rav, one week after his passing, he commented on the special gift G-d had bequeathed on our generation through the presence of the Satmar Rav for over nine decades:
"When an era closes, there is always a danger that the succeeding generations will be oblivious to the values and special character of their predecessors. Thus G-d often grants one exemplary member of the preceding era longevity, to permit him to teach the next generation how the old generation lived - by his mere presence. Thus did Rabbi Yehudah Hanassi - who closed the era of the Tannaim by writing the Mishnah - continue to 'frequent his home' for decades after his passing; and Rabbi Yochanan, who compiled the Jerusalem Talmud, lived for hundreds of years...; and thus did the Satmar Rav grace our generation with a greatness in scholarship and piety that had been identified with the glory of days gone by.''
Today, the Chasidishe Williamsburg, and Kiryas Joel Reb Yoelish left behind has more than doubled in size and population. It is a testament to his uncompromising vision. But most significantly, the self-contained ecosystem that is today's Williamsburg and Kiryas Joel is perhaps the greatest gift Klal Yisroel has—a gold standard of Torah, yiras shomayim, gemilas chasudim that not only strengthens itself, but strengthens Jewish communities the world over.
Only a tzadik like Reb Yoelish could have seen this. And today, his vision holds true more than ever.
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Aug 26, 2008 at 08:41 PM Yiddele Says:
Zichusoi Yugen Aleinu!
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Aug 26, 2008 at 09:12 PM Lock & Load Says:
I was from the lucky kids whose father
went to Satmar Rebbe to get a Bracha and gave the Rebbe a Kvitel
He took me many times but I do remember this one time... Everyone was on line to go into the Rebbe,
I was told that I can wait for my fathers turn inside the Rebbes room while the Rebbe spoke to others.. That Image will remain with me for the rest of my life..
I remember as it was today
I was 10 years old in `79
and my father picked me up from camp took
me to Monroe
Since then we never went to another Satmar Rebbe
But we did, and I do go to the Rebbes Zion...
ZY"A
L&L
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:
Oy, we are a flock without a shepherd. But if it weren't for R. Yoilish ztzkl the entire Torah world would be in the hands of the apikorsim. He said he came to the world for only one reason, to tell the truth about Zionism. And sadly, so many of those who identify with him don't even feel what he felt or take his teachings to heart.......
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:02 PM Torah Jew Says:
Yidden NEED another Yoel today!
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:04 PM chs Says:
His true torah, avoida & gemilas chasudim is what is still guiding us today,
Great post!!
'Yehei zichroi burech'
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:07 PM Torah is Life Says:
Thank you VIN NEWS for pointing this out to the larger frum community. During these unclear times we need a leader to keep us from straying from derech Hashem. When remembering Great Tzadekim like Rebbe Yoel we find a source of inspiration and guidance.
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:43 PM anonymous Says:
"the Tzeilimer Rebbe had been the first Rebbe at all to settle in the neighborhood; he had the good fortune of arriving in 1939)"
1) Tzelemer Rav.
2) There were quite a few Chassidishe Rebbes in Williamsburg and NYC and USA way before this time, limoshol Novominsker Rebbe, Bostoner Rebbe, Nadvorna Rebbe, Talner Rebbe, Skvira Rebbe, Stolin, Kobriner Rebbe, Monastritchter Rebbe, Trisker Rebbe, etc.
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM Anonymous Says:
I am shocked!!!!! Although we are not satmar or even close to it, as a matter of fact, we are Moroccan Jews... Tonight, out of nowhere, I asked my husband to go to the Tzion of Reb Yoel, zs'kl, and surpringly, he quickly agreed, even though it's 90 minute drive one way.
I had no clue that today was his yartzeit/Hillula!!!
Zchuto Yagen alenu, Amen.
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:
WOW. Times have changed. The rebbehs in those days drove in cool cars and roofs which open and close.
Today the rebbehs would never drive in such cars tzu pas nisht to be seen in such things!
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Aug 26, 2008 at 10:53 PM Lock & Load Says:
Thanks to the Team at VIN...
Bringing us some good memories of the Great Tzadik Hador
L&L
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Aug 26, 2008 at 11:19 PM Satmar 101 Says:
Anon 10:48,
Cool Car?
Your so stupid that Car was special for the Rebbe it was easier to get in and out of the Car
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Aug 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM moshe Says:
Thanks VIN for this article
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Aug 26, 2008 at 11:50 PM anon Says:
VIN really put 2gether all the possible points that can be brought out so well. Very impressed!!!
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:56 AM Anonymous Says:
Wasn't kastner a Zionist? what's the pshat?
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:58 AM non-internet chusid Says:
Yehi Zichro Boruch. Zul Der Alte Rebbe shtark betten bai'en Kisai Hakovod far shulem in inzere kraiser.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:22 AM Yidel Says:
תורתו מגן לנו - הוא מאירת עינינו - הוא ימליץ טוב עלינו
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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:45 AM Rabbi Says:
His main point was MIDAS HA'EMES' in every aspect of life, that we are not cappeble and allowed to negotiate and settle for hashem, 1) DEIAS thts means emina shlime in god and his torah. 2) BH'MSAEH thts means in our lifestyle we should practice it the same way it was throgh all the years in GOLOS.
his saying was ENI HASHEM LO SHNISI, me and my torah u can't reform.
and he was an alter yid a tazidik when he was crying and begging for all thouse things when it was unpopular beacuse he wesnt here to build up his name nor ego.
and thts what our dor is missing.
should he be a malitz yosher for us.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 07:18 AM teddybear Says:
this is to the Rabbi , you are 100 % right ,BTW are u our Rebbe or a different Rabbi ??
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Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35 AM teddybear Says:
Why do u identify de Heilige Rebbe by de name Bal Divrei Yoel ? His real identity is bal Vayoel Moishe where he states his real Shiete against De forming of de State of Israel , his seifer Divrei yoel has amazing divrei toireh but his seifer Vayoel moishe states his view and Daas Toire against de forming de medineh , hope u will correct
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Aug 27, 2008 at 09:20 AM nymous Says:
How ironic that we're sitting here reading on the internet about the Satmar Rebbe ztv"l.
But seriously, although I am not chasidish, I believe that the uncompromising Satmar Rebbe made it possible for the rest of us compromisers to still be around & be frum.
Where would the middle be if the right was to the left of the middle (as it was before he arrives in America)?
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Aug 27, 2008 at 09:33 AM Anonymous Says:
I agree, every one knows him as R' Yoelish, or 'Vyoel Moshe'
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Aug 27, 2008 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:
Kastner was not only a Zionist, but a major rosha. Ayin shom in Perfidy.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 10:10 AM anon Says:
Just imagine if the Satmar rebbe had agreed with the RELIGIOUS ORTHODOX zionists and allowed his chassidim to enlist in the military - Israel may now be significantly more halachicly observant.
Just as his political influence has been strongly felt in NY it could have been in Israel. And thousands of Orthodox jews voting for their own rights (and actively protesting) would stop the secular post-zionist folly.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 10:28 AM anonymous Says:
anon 10:10
By associating with the zionists, the probable danger of the religious becoming non-religious, outweighs the remote possibility of the non-religious becoming religious. This was the shitta already of the Ksav Sofer and all the zaddikim of his era.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM Moishe -Willyburger Says:
Taddik Hador - For Sure.
Undisputed - Not so sure.
(But nice try)
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Aug 27, 2008 at 11:10 AM Anonymous Says:
Your term "undispited" Tzaddik - is a bit..overdoing it! (Today is his Yartzit so it's not the proper time to comment, but) MOST if not ALL of Gedelei VTzadikei Hador did NOT agree with him and his "Shitas".
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Aug 27, 2008 at 11:25 AM anonymous Says:
Undisputed.....
Depends by whom.
Anyone objective, right.
Those subjuctive, yes they disputed him, but only because they had axes (and yes, there were quite a few) to grind.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM anonymous Says:
You know the story of hagaon hatzadik. A gaon is not necessarily a tzadik, and a tzadik is not necessarily a gaon. So there was this guy who was justifiably called hagaon hatzadik. gaon because he was no tzadik, and tzadik because he was no gaon. In other words, neither. The satmar rebbe ztz"l was both in the strongest and biggest way humanly possible. Yes, there may have been his equal in gaonos, but lacking in tzidkus. and vice versa. Very very few were his equal in either, and even fewer in both. In the chasdishe world, he definitely had no equal in his generation, and avaddai not on later ones.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM Original Satmar Says:
To TeddyBear 8:35:
Your observation, regarding the referring to the Rebbe Z"L as the Divrei Yoel, is very accurate and as you are well aware, it's only the KJ faction who refer to him as such, under the direct order of their "revered" leader. The reason being exactly what you have stated, i.e. an attempt to disassociate Satmar from the Rebbe Z"L's first and foremost goal and objective, to vilify and denigrate Zionism. It's their ambition and aspiration of possibly becoming more popular and accepted by the outside world, in direct contrast with what the Rebbe Z"L kept on teaching us, the Derech of "Hisbadlus" that was the mainstay Shita of all the ehrliche yidden all along.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM Moishe -Willyburger Says:
The great Satmar propaganda machine busily at work.
No other chassidus, no other Rabbonus, not Ger, Not Belz, Not Klausenberg, Not Chazon Ish, Not Brisk, Not anyone is so busy with the propaganda of Satmar.
He was takke great; takke an ish emess; so were others. Maybe more so; maybe less so. Hashem alone knows that.
But why the constant propaganda? Why the desire to declare over and over, the same claims? Why the inferiority complex? What are they covering?
Is it because the Shit'es and the mehalach have been rejected by roiv minyan and roiv binyan of klall Yisroel.
Get over it. It doesn't detract one iota from his grwatness. Only the constant propaganda does.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:03 PM Yidel Says:
to original sat: you may be surprised to know their is nothing written in v'yoel moshe that is not repeated explained and elaborated 100 times over in the diveri yoel, i would suggest as an original go study and more will be revealed.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:
reb shnior kotler and reb yackov kaminetzky and rav shach at there hespidim on him said he was the true tzadik hador...
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM Anonymous Says:
to moshe yes at his levayah they were hwspidem from rabunim of most big khilos of the united states and no other rebbeh in our days wrote so many sfurim
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM Original Satmar Says:
To Moishe Willyburger 10:50, Anon 11:10 and Anon 11:25:
As far as being undisputed. If you really think about it, have you ever thought and would you be able to come up with, not many but at least one, commonly accepted “undisputed” Gedolim or Rebbes of yesteryear, like the Chasam Sofer, Baal Shem Tov, Vilner Gaon, Divrei Chaim and on and on.. Were they really undisputed by the general public or even by some Gedolim in their times? Yet we all know and realize that their stance and only ambition was to do Nachas Ruach to Hashem Yisborach and thus the term “undisputed”.
Without spelling it out any further, this should address you negative observations and obviously resulting comments, especially MW 11:55
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM Shalom Says:
Just for the record (it's a public record) at his trial kastner "himself" in his own words testified that the idea of putting Rabbi Teitelbaum z"l on his list was his father in-laws dr. fisher he intervened and asked him to do so... also, dr. fisher actually begged the Rabbi to except the slot on “the list” explaining that in his זכות the entire train will be rescued, only than the Rabbi excepted, These are all undisputable facts to anyone who wants to know.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:34 PM anonymous Says:
To Shalom
You need to add
To anyone who wants to know.....the truth
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:48 PM Torah is Life Says:
The Rebbes opposition to zionism after the shoah is what I respect most about him. Prior to the shoah the majority of Jews were opposed to zionism and the state of Israel. But following the shoah out of emotions and disarray droves of Jews came to believe in zionism. The Rebbe OBM did not allow emotions to over rule Torah law and dictate his position. Bless him for this and for all else he has done for the Klol Israel. May Hashem send us another Tzedek like him.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 12:56 PM Anonymous Says:
Original Satmar Says: As far as being undisputed. If you really think about it, have you ever thought and would you be able to come up with, not many but at least one, commonly accepted “undisputed” Gedolim or Rebbes of yesteryear, like the Chasam Sofer, Baal Shem Tov, Vilner Gaon, Divrei Chaim and on and on.. Were they really undisputed by the general public or even by some Gedolim in their times? Yet we all know and realize that their stance and only ambition was to do Nachas Ruach to Hashem Yisborach and thus the term “undisputed”.
Without spelling it out any further, this should address you negative observations and obviously resulting comments, especially MW 11:55
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD,
HARAV HAKODESH R' AARON OF BELZ WAS THE UNDISPUTED AND TRUE TZADIK HADOR!
While Satmar disagreed with the way he did things and blamed it all on his gaboim they also recognised him as the leader of klal yisroel a true malach elokim!
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Aug 27, 2008 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
BTW There are three yartzeiten in Israel that have literallyall of Yehadus hachareidus visiting their graves the tana R Shimon Bar Yochai, The Ohr Hachaim Hakodesh, and R' Aaron of Belz! All three fall on the same day of the week every year! This year they were all on a Friday.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 01:08 PM avremele Says:
1) The Rebbe called his most of his seforim Divrei Yoiel. The reason DEVAR HASHEM ASHER HAYA EL YOIEL!!! We believe that EVERYTHING he said or wrote in his seforim is DEVAR HASHEM ASHER HAYA EL YOIEL!
2) Whether or not different rabbonim agreed with his positions, they still acknowledged that he was the TZADDIK HADOR!
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Aug 27, 2008 at 01:08 PM Original Satmar Says:
You are hurting my ears....You are hollering too loud...
You just said it yourself. He was still disputed by some, unless the "few hundred" Satmar people don't count...
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Aug 27, 2008 at 01:13 PM In Prospective Says:
Just to put things in prospective for you, R' Yoilish Ztzvk"l would've been the first one to sign the concert ban which you all have been lamenting.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 01:18 PM Original Satmar Says:
To Yidel 12:03:
No one is denying or even implying that the Sefer Divrei Yoel id not representing the true Shita of the Rebbe Z’L. What we are merely stating is that the Sefer VaYoel Moshe was written by the Rebbe Z”L for one purpose, and one purpose only, namely to spell out to the world that Satmar will not budge, without compromise, from the Holy Torah as it was taught all through thye years by our Rebbes and Poskim, regardless of how unpopular and controversial Satmar will become as a result of that. That is what the KJ leadership is attempting to rectify by his adamant refusal od referring the the Rebbe Z”L as the Baal VaYoel Moshe
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Aug 27, 2008 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:
and btw the satmar ruv was also yershulaimer rav and the bes din back then had really the biggest torah giants he was a candidate back in 1932 for the same post
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Aug 27, 2008 at 01:28 PM Belzer Chosid Says:
Sorry but the headline UNDISPUTED is not correct, I dont doubt that he was a great tzadik but he was very contriversial.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:
May The Satmar Ruv ZTl be a Melitz Yoisher for us all in these troubling times.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 02:06 PM Satmar 101 Says:
Moishe -Willyburger Says:
The great Satmar propaganda machine busily at work.
No other chassidus, no other Rabbonus, not Ger, Not Belz, Not Klausenberg, Not Chazon Ish, Not Brisk, Not anyone is so busy with the propaganda of Satmar.
He was takke great; takke an ish emess; so were others. Maybe more so; maybe less so. Hashem alone knows that.
But why the constant propaganda? Why the desire to declare over and over, the same claims? Why the inferiority complex? What are they covering?
Is it because the Shit'es and the mehalach have been rejected by roiv minyan and roiv binyan of klall Yisroel.
Get over it. It doesn't detract one iota from his grwatness. Only the constant propaganda does.
==================================================
This guy sounds like all the Klausenberger Chasidum.....
......LOSERS.....
Get over it already
IT IS WHAT IT IS........
You Guys just mist the Boat.....
Satmar 101; out
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Aug 27, 2008 at 02:52 PM anon Says:
To Anonymous 2008-08-27 at 10:28 AM
There is a saying - you don't have to do kiruv in the kollel only teshuva.
There are many many cases of chilonim (and I mean real socialists) being mekarav to orthodoxy by the kippa sruga men in the army as well as by charedim in the army - there is a saying "there are no athiests in a foxhole".
There is always the "risk" that contact with the outside world would affect some to become non-religious - but guess what - there are many "kids and adults at risk" inside th Satmar Willy and KJ community.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 03:06 PM zalman Says:
Every Chossid should think their Rebbe is the tru Gadol Hador we find it in the Gemara all the time.
But i wouldnt say he wrote more Seforim then the Lubavitcher Rebbe and he definitely was not as popular as the Rebbe of Chabad in the last 60 years. but im sure he was a great person and we don't need to agree withe every Rebbe in order for them to be a great Rov.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 03:06 PM avremele Says:
Original Satmar 08-27-2008 - 1:08 PM
What I meant was, they may have disagreed with the Shita. They NEVER denied that he was the Tzaddik Hador.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 03:08 PM Don Says:
I regret to inform many of you that outside of the Satmar (Saint Mary) community the Rebbe was not universally considered a tzadik or a Godol Hador.
He was very controversial in many ways. And there are many issues on which to debate his legacy.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:
Belzer Chosid Says:
Sorry but the headline UNDISPUTED is not correct, I dont doubt that he was a great tzadik but he was very contriversial.
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I also agree taht he was a great tzadik, but undisputed. To me, Reb Moshe Feinstein was the undisputed Gadol Hador. At the LAvaya in 1986, the then Satmar Rebbe even said that
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Aug 27, 2008 at 03:24 PM Rochel Says:
The satmar rebbi was a combination of everything a tzadik has. I remember In his last years when he lived in his last house on Bakerstown Rd in Monroe and we girls were in the garden outside the house looking into the window of his room where he accepted people and one person was there, ( looked like this person was in a bad financial situation)" and we saw how the rebbi took the entire Tablecloth folded it,he was being helped doing this by rabbi gluck his right hand man and he gave the enitre tablecloth and everything inside it ( all the cash ) for this person. I remember i was in awe when I wittness this. zeciso yogen olinu
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Aug 27, 2008 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:
Don, i think you should debate his legacy it looks like you are a first class mchitzuf on sitting on the internet and probally cant cover YOUR BANK ACCOUNT account i am no satmarer but i also remember the respect reb moshe and reb yackov,reb aron kutler,reb fivel menlovitz and rav shach and the tzelmer rav ,the pupa rav,bobevar rav, even the gerer rebbeh gave him respect in the satmarer cemetery they have over 50 rabunim! burried that were leading towns in europe before your grandfather was born!
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Aug 27, 2008 at 04:10 PM americanyid Says:
Growing up in NY in the 40's,50's,& 60's, the only tzadik and gadol that we American Jews knew (our parents and grands arrived on the shores here in the early 1900's and contary to jewish history were still shomer shabbos in the 40's & 50's, even graduated from RJJ etc.) was REB MOSHE & Reb YAAKOV ZT"L, sorry to break the chain but never heard of the Satmar Rav till about the 70's.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 04:14 PM Mordy Says:
I am a Litvak my family is litvish But the satmar rebbi was a respected and revered person even in the litvish world.. It is always repeated how the satmar rebbi was maspid Reb Aron Kotler,,,with the famed vort "lehagid she aron lo shinu" The satmar rebbi respected another jew and he was respected back for that
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Aug 27, 2008 at 04:26 PM Shabsi Says:
Oi gevald its 29 years already time flies . I will never forget when the orun was being carried out the big shul in monroe and amid the thousands that attended I saw an old men crying like a baby . I will never forget the scene
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Aug 27, 2008 at 05:23 PM Belzer Chosid Says:
Please post comments responsibly as all comments are moderated.# americanyid Says:
comments - arrow Growing up in NY in the 40's,50's,& 60's, the only tzadik and gadol that we American Jews knew (our parents and grands arrived on the shores here in the early 1900's and contary to jewish history were still shomer shabbos in the 40's & 50's, even graduated from RJJ etc.) was REB MOSHE & Reb YAAKOV ZT"L, sorry to break the chain but never heard of the Satmar Rav till about the 70's.
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And what was left of the Americaner Yidden loh aleno?
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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:13 PM Anonymous Says:
Goodness! the spelling here is hilarious! keep'em going! Satmar arof satmar aroop, bottom line is that we all need to have a Rav, Rabbi or Rosh Yeshiva respect them and follow their every word and at the same time RESPECT other Rebbe's as well. Period. Thirty years ago as much as anyone disagreed with another Gadol he still held that rebbe in awe and respect the last twenty years has seen such a dramatic decline in Emunas Chachomim it is terribly sad! And yes, it is all to the credit of……
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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:23 PM Anonymous Says:
The satmar rebbe was no doubt a great tzadik.. but not tzadik hador.. the distinction is made between a tzadik and a roeh (Shepard) Moshe rabeinu was a true roeh... he looked after klal yisrael.. he went into the desert of nachash v'akrav..
Perhaps satmar has doubled, but what has it done to be mikarev yidden ?
At least in chabad, there was never the concept of "destroying america" america the lubavitcher rebbe taught is malchus shel chesed.. one utalizes america to further spread yiddishkeit.
As a chasidishe rebbe, the satmar rebbe surely should have followed in the ways of the baal shem tov.. reaching out to the pashuter yidden.
The lubavitcher rebbe gave over deep maamorim.. thousands that are VERY deep.. YET he gave over thousands of sichot that are mundane and easy for the regular jew to understand.
I say this was one who's parents are baalei teshuva through chabad...
Satmar's closing up does not encourage outsiders to come in.
One must not wait for a jew to come to the beis medrash.. one must bring the beis medrash to the market place.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:24 PM yosef Says:
We need to stop saying absoltes i.e " My rebbe is greater then yours" "Undisputed Tzadik Hador Missed And Revered By Tens Of Thousands, The Holy Rebbi" To everyone there own rebbie is the tzadik
Hador to those who follow rav moshe or rav Yackov, or the Lubavitcher rebbe, or dear I say the Rov ( R' Solovetchik. There is more Torah today in Ertetz Yisroel then any place in the history of Judaisim
not only that, most beleive it or not,is supported by $$$$$$ from the secular zionist govt's of the past 60 years these are facts , yes not everything is perfect, but hakaras hatov is due, WE need to respect everyone Satmer, YU, lubavitch, and every other Jew
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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:31 PM Anonymous Says:
Respected - yes, revered by many - yes, a gaon - yes, a tzaddik - yes, but definitely not the Godol Hador, and surely not undisputed.
His shit"a put him diametrically opposed to most Gedolei Yisroel for the last 75 years or more.
A Manhig Hador, he for sure wasn't - as he was the cause and root of much "machlokes" in Klal Yisroel. He surely meant well, but he enflamed his "Chassidim" who did untold damage both physically and spiritually.
Yet it is his yahrtzeit, and now he surely knows the truth - may he be a Mailitz Yosher for all of Klal Yisroel - Amen.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 06:43 PM satmar chosid Says:
the satmar rov was the greatist godel of mordern times.all the other gedalim were under him
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Aug 27, 2008 at 07:45 PM americanyid Says:
"And what was left of the Americaner Yidden loh aleno? "
Our family has grown in tenfold as has many others who arrived before WW2, under the tutelage of Reb Moshe, Reb Yaakov, and other rabbanim, who spoke our language.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 08:35 PM gotham Says:
he hated the Zionist, but it was a zionist that saved him , and who are we to say that Zionism is not the hand of g-d,
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Aug 27, 2008 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:
I am appalled at some of the posts here. As a Modern Orthodox woman no less.
Don, I regret to inform you that he was respected and revered by so many outside the Satmar community including many MO families that I know.
He was definitely considered a Gadol Hador by most Gedolai Hador so who are we to say otherwise. There were many Gedolai Hador and he was one of them.
Anonymous at 6:23 obviously you haven't heard of Satmar Bikur Cholim, well you should read up about it because their Chessed and thus Kiruv work is too much for me to write here.
AmericanYid, b"h you family grew tenfold under those Gedolai Hador while other families grew tenfold under the leadership of another Godol Hador, Rabbeinu Yoel of Satmr ob"m. B"H there were many Gedolim so that many families could grow tenfold and strengthen and expand Klal Yisroel.
Wether you agree with his legacy or not, you cannot dispute that he was a true Gadol Hador or you would be disagreeing with most Chassidish, Litvish and MO Rabbis. May he be a Mailitz Yosher for Klal Yisroel.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 09:07 PM Lubavitcher agrees with Modern ortho poster Says:
Great post 9:01. I agree as a Lubavitcher here. The Lubavitcher Rebbe too considered him a Tzaddik Hador.
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Aug 27, 2008 at 09:39 PM Anonymous Says:
G-d help us all if so many people have nothing to do but argue about whether he is disputed, undisputed, gaon, big gaon, gadol, bigger than someone else, better, greater, satmar better than belz or vica versa. All I could say to these folk is to please get a job and a life or both.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM PoshiterYid Says:
AmericanYid :
I agree with belzer (i am by far a Satmar) Without these 2 Gedolim: R' Ahron Kotler Zt'l and Satmar Rav ..no doubt, Judaism in America would have never developed the way it is ...Yes.. it would have stayed in its 40's status the way they grew up...(and if your family did hold on to its judaism i fully admire and respect them....but what about the rest of the klal' ? how many held on to shmiras Shabos or al together to its Jewish Identity...?!!)
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:21 PM avremele Says:
Bottom line, He was The Rebbe that everyone loved to hate and hated to love.
NOBODY disputed his tzidkus. Even the zionists tzittered from him.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:08 AM allan Says:
He was a great man...too bad he isn't here now to clean up the mess and in fighting between his decendents which is probably more about money and power than true religion..
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM Reb Yid Says:
What's with this "my rebbe is better than yours nonsense?" Watch it, guys. The broader yiddishe velt as come a long way over the last 300 yrs in accepting chasiddus--don't blow it.