Crown Heights, NY – Lubavitchers, Ecstatic Jews, a Messiah Proclaimed, and The Consequential Divisions

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    Crown Heights, NY – Like many other young men in Crown Heights, Itzik Balulu studies the Talmud and other Jewish texts from early in the morning to well into the night.

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    But you should see his ride. When he’s not ensconced in 770 Eastern Parkway, the center of the Chabad-Lubavitch universe, the 26-year-old Israeli and his crew drive around in a blinged-out Cadillac, a regular kandy-kolored streamline baby. Oy vey.

    The Caddy, which they bought a few years ago, is bright yellow and covered with enormous decals featuring a “King Messiah” crown and a picture of the messiah himself: Rebbe Menachem M. Schneerson. A dollar bill is attached to the upper right corner of the windshield—a symbol of the rebbe’s practice of handing out dollar bills to his visitors to give to charity.

    Among Lubavitchers, the rebbe is more than revered. Officially, he died 14 years ago. But to many Lubavitchers, dead he’s not, and the messiah—not just for Jews, but the entire planet—he most certainly is.

    When they aren’t studying, the yeshiva boys doggedly tool around the city and install yellow flags in homes and businesses. The flags look a lot like the images on the car: a crown and the words “Long Live the King Messiah Forever and Ever.” Balulu installed seven last week and just ordered a thousand more from a factory in China. He plans to go to India next year: The rebbe, he says, has advised him to be a Chabad emissary.

    For now, Balulu goes to Union Square every Friday afternoon to hand out Chabad materials and to “bar-mitzvah” non-observant Jews. He and the boys usually set up shop beside an Amish cheese vendor at the weekly farmers’ market. They tend to get into friendly discussions with passersby, like a recent confab they had with a teenage Korean Christian missionary and the Pennsylvania Amish vendor over the meaning of Orthodox Judaism. Their target, however, is secular Jews. From behind their table festooned with (what else?) yellow flags, the boys ask Jews to pray with them—specifically to repeat, word for word, a prayer referred to as the Yechi chant, which identifies the rebbe as the messiah. Yes, the Messiah.

    Schneerson’s the reason you see dark-suited young men like Balulu in Union Square every Friday calling to passersby and asking: “Are you Jewish?”—and also the reason there are Chabad houses in Laos and Bangkok and South Africa.

    The nerve center, however, remains 770 Eastern Parkway, which has such cachet because it was the home and synagogue of Schneerson, the Chabad-Lubavitch’s head rabbi from 1950 until his death in 1994. He is credited with turning a demoralized group of Lubavitch Jews that had moved to Brooklyn in the wake of World War II into a multimillion-dollar global empire that spans more than 70 countries, boasts hundreds of thousands of devotees, and has established beachheads on more than 100 American college campuses.

    You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone in Crown Heights who could point to a single character flaw that the rebbe possessed—or still possesses, because people like Sara Kanevsky insist that he never died.

    Kanevsky’s is a world of constant miracles. Pictures of the rebbe plaster the walls of her third-floor apartment. Every night, she and her friends put on a trance CD of traditional Yiddish hymns set to techno music, and they dance for hours. They take belly-dancing classes that can start at midnight. Her cell-phone ringtone plays the Hebrew messianic slogan Yechi ha Melech, which roughly translates as “Long Live the King Messiah Forever and Ever.” She answers the phone with these same words.

    Not all Lubavitchers have gotten the message. Even as Chabad has grown into a billion-dollar empire in the wake of the rebbe’s death, the battle lines between those who accept Schneerson’s demise and those who don’t have hardened.

    Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, a spokesman for Chabad, describes the behavior of people like Kanevsky as “more painful than words”—an abuse of the rebbe’s message. For some Jews within and outside Chabad, messianism, with its prophecy of a sort of second coming, smacks too much of Christianity. Others say it violates the monotheistic religion’s prohibitions against idolatry. And some think it cultish or just too simplistic—a caricature of Jewish teachings.

    “At the end of the day, running around saying, ‘My guy is the messiah’ over and over—it’s an echo chamber,” says Shmotkin, a 39-year-old rabbi. “And what the rebbe was creating was the opposite of an echo chamber.”

    Meanwhile, the conflict continues to reverberate. In Crown Heights, messianists and non-messianists pray in separate synagogues, listen to different radio programs, and study in separate houses of learning. Many messianists wear yellow lapel pins adorned with crowns and erect matching yellow flags on the façades of their homes. The two groups do not intermarry.

    In a way, Kanevsky herself is a cornerstone of the controversy. A court battle between the two camps is connected to Kanevsky’s arrest for doggedly hanging onto the cornerstone of 770 Eastern Parkway during a contretemps outside the building in 2004: The Chabad leadership had obtained a restraining order against the messianists after they defaced the stone. That case is still on appeal.

    Meanwhile, the fight continues to play out right inside the building. Chabad, the empire, has its headquarters on the third floor, and it’s at war with many of the people who pray and study in the synagogue below.

    Last December, as a part of the same court battle, a New York State Supreme Court judge ruled that the owners of the building had the right to remove a banner that the messianists had placed over the Torah ark in the downstairs synagogue. The banner, proclaiming the rebbe “King Messiah Forever and Ever,” had been put up by four messianist trustees who were elected to run the synagogue. Naturally enough, they’re appealing the judge’s ruling.

    There are two things that most Lubavitchers agree on: Crown Heights is one of the most beautiful places on earth, and for the messianists, 770 is the holy nerve center. Some consider the building to be the resurrection of the Great Temple, destroyed in Jerusalem in 70 CE. Young people incorporate 770 into their e-mail addresses; older folks try to buy houses with that auspicious number and have built exact replicas of the Neo-Gothic building, which once housed a medical clinic, in places as far-flung as Argentina and Brazil.

    Portraits of the rebbe and his wife are fixtures in just about every home. Schneerson was a powerful figure who received heads of state and advised multimillionaire financiers, and his followers cherish their memories of him, even at a house next to his (ostensible) Long Island grave, where the video Encounters With the Rebbe plays on a continuous loop.

    Now about that grave: Unlike the thousands of other Lubavitchers, Sara Kanevsky has never paid a visit. She doesn’t know who or what is in the grave, but she’s certain it’s not the rebbe. On the anniversary of his death this past July, while more than 50,000 people waited on a four-hour line outside the cemetery, midnight buses rolled in from Canada, and Israelis camped out for the weekend in the Chabad house next-door, Kanevsky went to 770 to celebrate.

    Kanevsky does a lot of celebrating when others are mourning. She says that in the time of redemption, all rules are reversed. Two years ago, she walked around eating ice cream in 770 on a fast day, which led to her being kicked out. And on the most recent fast day this summer, she talked with some Chabad members in Florida who were enjoying a spaghetti dinner. Kanevsky has even written a book in four languages on the new rules.

    She acknowledges that to some people in Crown Heights, she appears to be a nut. But even that, she says, is part of the program. “The rebbe says you have to be crazy about moshiach,” she says, using the Hebrew word for “messiah.” “Miracles are crazy.”

    Those lubavitchers who believe that Schneerson is the messiah became more vocal about it after the rebbe suffered a debilitating stroke in 1992.

    In the preceding year, Schneerson himself had begun to tell his followers that the redemption was imminent. He urged them to do everything in their power to bring it about.

    Though he never referred to himself directly as the messiah (the rebbe rarely spoke about himself), some people began to see it that way. At religious gatherings, hundreds of people shouted the Yechi chant. It’s unclear what the rebbe thought of these outcries. Messianists say he shook his fist in support; confidantes claim that he was pained by the sight of it; and still others aren’t sure whether, after the stroke, the rebbe was able to understand the implications of what was happening before his eyes.

    No one really knows how many Lubavitchers believe that Schneerson is the messiah. It’s been a mostly futile effort trying to quantify them, though some have tried methods like counting yellow flags. This is partly due to the gradations of belief among the messianists: While many believe that the rebbe’s death was an illusion, there are some who accept it but are convinced that he will one day be resurrected; others who believe deeply that he is the messiah but don’t publicize it, preferring to keep the whole thing a matter of the heart; and still others who aren’t 100 percent sure either way but are afraid to really talk about it, since it has become such a contentious matter. And then there are those, like Kanevsky and Balulu, who proclaim their faith to everyone they meet.

    A youthful, 40-year-old mother of seven, Kanevsky and her friends live their lives in a state of near-ecstasy. And while fervor and joyousness are central to all forms of Hasidic Judaism, the messianists’ exuberance is unusual.

    The crown lies easy upon their heads. In fact, as Kanevsky stands before a cluster of five women sitting on benches in 770, she’s wearing not only a form-fitting black skirt and a long-haired wig, but also a necklace with a golden crown attached to it—the symbol of the King Messiah. The jewel-studded crown is larger than her palm. She has two cell phones pressed to her ears. Another cell phone and an iPod rest on the bench in front of her. The devices are recording her daily three-hour radio address and workshop, the topic of which is the redemption. The address is being broadcast live over the Internet. A blown-up portrait of the rebbe has been placed on a bench behind them.

    The women pass around grapefruits, figs, and homemade baked tilapia in a large aluminum catering tray. “We call this the fish of the redemption,” says regular attendee Devorah Leah Blau as she fills her plate (a friend is rocking Blau’s baby).

    Kanevsky is largely self-taught, but when she has a question of any significance, she says she consults the rebbe. Like Balulu and others, she does this by either placing a note or asking a question aloud in front of a stack of books containing his collected letters. Then she turns to a page at random and finds that the rebbe has left an answer there. Last week, for example, she wondered in a dream whether her friend Ruth would become a millionaire. When she opened the book, she says, the date of her friend’s birthday was on the page—a sign that the rebbe was listening.

    After Kanevsky’s class ends, she stashes the rebbe’s photo behind a bookcase in the women’s section. “Did I tell you about the time I got arrested?” she asks. Then she bolts out the door and onto the promenade, which is elevated about 10 feet above the sidewalk. She looks over a stairwell and points down below, to a cornerstone in the façade of the building. In 2002, the Chabad leadership placed a plaque engraved with the words “of blessed memory” beside the cornerstone in honor of Schneerson. The messianists, resenting the implication that Schneerson was no longer alive, vandalized the plaque and put their own in its place. Multiple riots erupted in front of 770, and the police put up barriers and surrounded the plaque.

    During one pf the uprisings, Kanevsky saw the commotion and decided to leap from the promenade. But wearing high heels, she fell, and people thought she had broken her ankle. Then she got up and ran to the cornerstone. Her friend Ruth jumped in after her. The women held onto the stone until the police pulled them away.

    Zalman Shmotkin acknowledges that Jewish law allows for a great wise figure in every generation, but he’s not convinced that Schneerson should be considered the king messiah of them all. Shmotkin, who has an office on the third floor of 770, says he never prays in the building’s synagogue. One of his deepest fears is that people will see messianism as the face of Chabad, and that this will alienate them from the rebbe’s teachings. “It’s so not what we’re about,” he says.

    “It violates common sense and makes the movement seem insane,” says David Berger, a historian and the author of The Rebbe, the Messiah, and the Scandal of Orthodox Indifference. “They think it turns people off to Hasidic teaching, and it’s a sincere concern.”

    Berger, himself an observant Jew, says that while researching the book, he watched videos that were filmed at 770 after the rebbe’s death. In one, people cleared a path across the synagogue to allow the invisible rebbe to walk to his chair. “When people tell me that the kind of scene I just described is crazy,” he says, “I react by saying that there are millions of people in the world who are perfectly normal and intelligent people, who believe that the priest is holding a piece of bread and that this bread is the real presence of Jesus of Nazareth.”

    With the Lubavitchers as with Christians, messianic beliefs are nuanced, Berger says. He thinks that most Luba- vitchers, either secretly or openly, do believe that the rebbe is the messiah, but that only a small fraction believe he is still alive.

    That contention has made Berger the target of severe attacks in the Lubavitch world. And though he staunchly opposes the movement, he says that there are strong theological underpinnings both to the messianism and even to the “seemingly crazy assertion” that the rebbe really didn’t die.

    “Judaism says that in every generation, there is a righteous person that connects the world to the divine energy,” he explains. “If there is no leader, the world would actually cease to exist. So the fact that the rebbe has died and that the world continues to exist is a conundrum to them, and it leads them to believe that the rebbe must not have died. But even people who believe he did die find this to be a challenging question.” They resolve it, he adds, by opining that we’re living in strange times, or that the rebbe is still providing the divine connection from his grave.

    Kanevsky finishes her class in the late afternoon. By that time, Crown Heights is a rush of preparations for Sabbath. She passes hat shops with old-world lettering on their façades, ancient gumball machines, and elderly women begging for some Sabbath charity on the sidewalk. Kanevsky gives each of the women a few dollars and walks into a glatt-kosher meat store. The store sells things like goulash and schnitzel, but Kanevsky is looking for a special kosher chicken.

    The store appears to be out of stock. The clerk—who doesn’t wear a yellow pin—says to Kanevsky, in Hebrew: “With your luck, Yechi ha Melech, you’ll find the meat.” She reaches into a pile and finds the last package for sale. Yet another miracle.

    Kanevsky continues walking, buying flowers from an Israeli child. She stops in a Caribbean-owned dry cleaners to pick up a jacket and laments that she is out of the moshiach business cards that she normally carries around. Then she remembers that she gave them all out on the subway earlier in the day. As she passes a group of men, one of them calls out: “Moshiach!”

    Kanevsky looks over her shoulder. “See? They believe it, too, but don’t show it,” she says, almost surprised that someone would keep the greatest thing in the world a secret. Then she smiles. “They know what I represent.”


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    KANOY
    KANOY
    15 years ago

    Ms. Kanevsky is in need of some serious PSYCHIATRIC help. There are some wonderful medications available today and hopefully with the right medication and therapy she will have a REFUAH SH’LAYMAH and will be zocheh to see the bias go’el.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Why do you portray a group of Meshugaim as if they represent the entire Lubavitch Movement. they are a minority, and most of the Rabonim (even the Meshichist) banned their actions, and ordered them to stop doing what they do… they are a disgrace to Chabad.

    TRS
    TRS
    15 years ago

    Oy Vey!

    Lock & Load
    Lock & Load
    15 years ago

    Did you guys see that car VIN is talking about??

    Let me tell you, I love it… great color…

    I think he should send it to NASCAR

    Have them drive it in the RaceWay

    L&L

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    they write here that she has 7 children — yes, she does, her ex-husband has them. She’s a nutjob! she says it’s moshiach times and we don’t have to fast on yom kippur and tisha b’av.

    Oiberchochom
    Oiberchochom
    15 years ago

    Pathetic, that a once great chasidus has been transformed into a delusional messianic cult. This concept

    that “all the rules are reversed” is right out of Shabsai Tzvi’s playbook. He was notorious for pronouncing the brocha Matir “Issurim” and then eating chailev.

    Sounds like tznius is one of the first casualties of this rule. Party life, belly dancing, form-fitting skirts, long wigs, palm sized jewelry and high heels. Sounds to me like she has e really close connection to Hashem.

    an
    an
    15 years ago

    their chessed its unbelievable, but some of them need serious therapy, i think that they would drive the psycologist nuts,serious mental issues and going to 770 it gives you chills to see the idology going on there but they are a few, dont judge them all most of them do huge hessed

    yenta pesha
    yenta pesha
    15 years ago

    why don’t they go aound with a donkey???? u guys are nuts!!!!!!!! u are making fun of moshiach ben dovid!!!!! a real chilul hashem!!!!! the rebbe ztl is looking at the group of lunatiks as making fun of him!!!!! please go to the kever of Rebbe ztl nishmoso eden and ask michila!!!!!

    Fartzonovitch
    Fartzonovitch
    15 years ago

    As a Lubavitcher, these people are an embarrassment to all Jews and most certainly the Rebbe.

    THESE PEOPLE DO NOT REPRESENT LUBAVITCHERS.

    They live in their own world. There will always be conspiracy theorist, there are people who believe the 9-11 was orchestrated by the US government. We can not give these people a microphone so they can shout out there stupidities. The emptier a barrel the louder the noise it makes. You can not pay attention to these unfortunately crazed minded people.

    Moishe Zichmech
    Moishe Zichmech
    15 years ago

    Pardon me but Chabad is NOT doing enough to stop them, besides, more than half of chabad while they may not scream MUSHIACH on the streets they proudly fly the M flag. This is a disgrace and they should stop it. You can call them crazy but if a few thousand satmar chasidim would start chanting that Reb Yoel is god almighty himself, the rest of the chasidim would not simply say oh they’re crazy let them be. All the mushichists, by definition, desecrate the name of hashem and if that’s not enough they confuse the masses by diluting into their kiruv messages.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Im not sure what triggered this story. These things are usually better off being shoved under the carpet. Perhaps the segment of Rabbi Shmotkin should have been printed as a lone news piece so that the world should realize what Chabad Chassidim really stand for. For the future unless it is a a story bribging awareness to an ignorant world of who the Rebbe was and what his lifes goals and beliefs were and how he loved each and every Jew whether or not they saw eye to eye with him, better not print it.

    i know
    i know
    15 years ago

    Kanevsky and her group are mishigoim and do not represent any group within chabad, you want to see chabad look at the kinnus hashluchim, the chabad houses, that is what represents the rebbe and chabad, these lunatics are just there because we have ahavas yisroel and we have rachmonos on them,

    good by golus
    good by golus
    15 years ago

    let’s daven the the geulah shleima should come and moshiach should come b’korov.

    ikvsa d moshicha
    ikvsa d moshicha
    15 years ago

    time to do teshva so moshiach could come.

    moshiach will be whoever hashem appointed!!!! moshiachist don’t decide on your own by ridiculing the Lubavither Rebbe Zatsal Nishmoso ededn.

    Babishka
    Member
    Babishka
    15 years ago

    It is sickening to see this article right next to the very reverential and respectful article about the Satmar Rebbe ZT”L. My family are Chabad hassidim on shlichus all over the world, and we are not meshugoyim as depicted here! This is the equivalent of an article portraying all Satmars as the Vaad Hatznius thugs!

    BMG_KTLR
    BMG_KTLR
    15 years ago

    Nice people. Why does Yehuda Krisky allow such crazy – such crazy talk – honestly? Do you not think this is a leadership issue – or a lack of it? Blame is a strong word, and I would not use it? I just wonder what is happening and why? And, where is Berel Lazar is this discussion? Leadship of the highest order is needed.

    lavdafka
    lavdafka
    15 years ago

    “There are two things that most Lubavitchers agree on: Crown Heights is one of the most beautiful places on earth” …… this guy really picks things up”

    litvaks chasidim misnagdim
    litvaks chasidim misnagdim
    15 years ago

    we all believe in Moshiach. there is no elections who is moshiach. Hashem will let us know. stop guessing!!!!! ani maamin b’emunah shleima b’vias hamoshoiach b’korov mamash.

    signed by chasidim, litvaks, & misnagdim.

    LAKEWOOD, BNE BRAK, YERUSHALIM AND KOL HAOLAM KULO

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The two groups do not intermarry. this is not true it happens all the time it may be called an intermarriage but it happens!

    YANKEL
    YANKEL
    15 years ago

    What a chillul Hashem. I knew there were some nuts in CH, but that woman takes the cake. Where can I buy here book?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Why would you want to buy her book. You are giving her credential to her craziness.

    joe
    joe
    15 years ago

    she’s a nut most meshichiast includeing my self have nothing to do with her stlye but people like Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin do more damege to Lubavitch then she does instead of just ignoreing the media on such issues they love to answear back, the statement that most anti’s wont daven down staries is false i have plenty of friends who are extream anti’s who always daven down sters

    yenta pesha
    yenta pesha
    15 years ago

    she is creating misnagdim with her mishgassen!!!!

    soon she willl claim that she is moshiach.!!!!!!

    she is holding up the final redemption!!!!

    SHE NEEDS HELP BIG TIME!!!!! SHE IS CHASING AWY THE GEULA!!!! MOSHIACH WILL NOT COME BY YELLOW CADILLAC OR CAB!!!!!! SEND HER FOR BRAIN TRANSPLANT!!!! A REFUAH SHLAIMA MRS MOSHIACH!!!!

    earl
    earl
    15 years ago

    All Chabaddskers, both meshichist and not, worship a man. This is contrary to Yiddishkeit.

    YENTA PESHA
    YENTA PESHA
    15 years ago

    TALK TO HASHEM!!!!!! WORSHIP HASHEM!!!! DON’T IDOLIZE THE REBBE ZACHER ZADIK LIVRACHA!!!!

    THE REBBE IS WITH A ZADIKIM IN OLEM H’EMES. DON’T DSITUB HIM!!!

    FRUSTRATED YID
    FRUSTRATED YID
    15 years ago

    Earlier I posted a comment that was removed from VIN. Are VIN staff meshichisti? hmmm The only thing more frustrating then that is what I see happening in Chabad. MY REPOST:

    It is ironic that the group who does most to help lost yidden is itself most lost. I dont need to list the ways, we all know, chabad most of all.

    The solution I believe will be painful but the solution that will save chabad. The solution is to separate 100% from the meshichisti families/groups/shliachim/shuls.

    I know many think the meshichisti movement will dissappear but in reality it is only getting worse , growing and getting more bizarre and crazy. As a result the majority of the orthodox community have lost respect for you. Chabad is the punchline to many jokes. Additionally, amongst the majority of BT who you bring back, they typically dont want to be chabadnicks.

    Furthermore, the Rebbe OBM is gone and it is time to get a new Rebbe. I know many chabadnicks who believe the Rebbe would have named a successor had he had the capacity to do so and the meshichisti not have been so strong. I have heard a rumor that there is secretly in the works a growing call for a new Rebbe. G-d willing it is true and will happen.

    To all: pray for chabad meshichisti to make teshuva and return to Torah.

    isaac
    isaac
    15 years ago

    Kanevsky is not the average Chabadnik. To portray her as the usual, or even acceptable, is not fair. We all want Moshiach to come, so if someone is interested in this article let them follow the Rebbe’s advice. Learning about Moshiach, especially in groups of 10 or more, helps to bring Moshiach.

    Rambam Hilchos Melachim is a good place to start and the Rebbe has many Sichos about Moshiach. Do you want Moshiach Now?

    Midwest Yid
    Midwest Yid
    15 years ago

    Well, I daven in a Chabad shul where the Gabbai flys a Meshichist flag from his home, and is the son-in-law of the shul Rabbi. I have just made up my mind ot ignore this complete shtus. As far as I can tell, they are still shomer shabbos G-d fearing people who do tremendous good in the community and world. They are almost like lost little children, though, without their Rebbe. For a time, when they were really fervent about R. Schneerson adn Moshiach I felt I could not daven there, but they have really toned down the rhetoric. Now, this is most likely so as not to offend and alientate secular donors…even the most uneducated Jew knows that we cannot worship a man. I think that EVERY Lubavitcher thinks the Rebbe is Moshiach, it is just in the gradations. Some think he will be resurrected, some think he never died, and some chas ve shalom, are actually worshipping him as a god. This is of course why the Chofetz Chaim was so dead set against Hasidism. This cult of personality leads to this type of behavior. Ultimately, though, I am thankful; for the Lubvitch presence in the world, I still eat at their homes and daven in their shuls, and I have never heard an actual p’sak to not do that, although I am sure some have that minhag. Let;s face it, all Hassidim are a little bit nuts, even the most mainstream…Satmar, Bratzlav, please. It is the nature of chasidism to attract and hold very spirtitual emotional people that tend to think with the emotion over logic, unlike most Litvaks.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    to all those who think that all chabadniks/lubavitchers feel the same way and daven to the rebbe and worship him… you are totally wrong!

    this is but a small group who have gone totally nuts, these empty cans makes a lot of noise.

    the majority of lubavitchers are normal who daven to Hashem, and go to the ohel where the rebbe is buried, much in the same way as they go to any other ohel where tzaddikim are buried.

    in every generation there is potential for moshiach to come and the rebbe had potential, but 14 years ago he actually died and with it that potential.

    we still wait anxiously for moshiach to come but no-one knows who he is.

    rest assured we haven’t ALL lost our minds!

    Lock & Load
    Lock & Load
    15 years ago

    You Guys have lot`s of issues in Crown Heights

    Thats all I can say…..

    L&L

    anon
    anon
    15 years ago

    I think the majority of the posts, if not all of them, that were written by Lubavitchers are saying the same thing. We do not hold by this woman and her abomination of frumkite (eating on a fast day) and we are embarassed and want the world to know we agree with klal yisroel that what she is doing is wrong. It is so unfortunate that it has gotten to the point where I don’t even mention moshiach because I don’t want to be labeled as one of them.

    SOUTHWEST BROOKLYN
    SOUTHWEST BROOKLYN
    15 years ago

    men darf ze unfeifen !!!1

    lotto
    lotto
    15 years ago

    why doesn’t she buy a lottery ticket & do her magic to win????? she is full of hot air!!!

    Sid
    Sid
    15 years ago

    “When people tell me that the kind of scene I just described is crazy,” he says, “I react by saying that there are millions of people in the world who are perfectly normal and intelligent people, who believe that the priest is holding a piece of bread and that this bread is the real presence of Jesus of Nazareth.”

    Actually mr berger it is 100% messugas. It brings destruction to Jewish souls because xtians now feel validated that is authentic Torah to believe yuske is alive and raised from the dead after 3 days. What chabad meshichisti movement does is help reveal how the xtian movement came to fruition. Simply stated, fanatical followers couldnt deal with the passing of their beloved leader so they said he was still alive. As time passes the stories get even more insane. Soon I wont be surprised if we hear that the Rebbe was born of a virgin.

    MoshiachNow
    MoshiachNow
    15 years ago

    Ignore these mishigoyim they have nothing to do with Lubavitch or the Rebbe ztl

    lubav
    lubav
    15 years ago

    its not easy dealing w these people, court order to get kicked out of 770 isnt enough idk what will, prbly have to wait till moshiach

    yid
    yid
    15 years ago

    may the rebbe be a malitz yosher for gantz klal yisrorel & moshiach should end this golus.and we shall stop all narishketin!!!!!learn Torah & serve hashem!!!!this will bring the geula much faster. we are not voting who should moshiach be.moshiach is moshiach.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    this article made me laugh and cry all at once….. ha ha ha……..

    dave
    dave
    15 years ago

    Blaming Chabad for these crazy people is like blaming Satmar for the huge Chilul Hashem the NETUREI KARTA do around the world.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    A famous person went to the rebbeh complaining that lubavitch is becoming a cult with this moshiach business and the rebbeh replied, “I can’t control what my chasidim are doing.”

    This is on a tape recording and anyone can make controversy and say the rebbeh did ir did not try hard enough. The bottom line is the rebbeh himself was obviously against people claiming he is moshiach and all that garbage but he had no control and nobody has control over idiots to this day.

    balehbuster
    balehbuster
    15 years ago

    Kanevsky’s is a world of constant miracles. Pictures of the rebbe plaster the walls of her third-floor apartment. Every night, she and her friends put on a trance CD of traditional Yiddish hymns set to techno music, and they dance in front of Chrismas trees for hours. They take belly-dancing classes and stand on top of their heads for hours which usually starts at midnight.

    Her cell-phone ringtone plays Matisyahu and rock and roll music with an added twist of Lipa singing the Hebrew messianic slogan Yechi ha Melech, which roughly translates as “Long Live the King Messiah Forever and Ever.” She answers the phone with these same words and gets drunk every now and then.

    WOW!!

    Sid
    Sid
    15 years ago

    MoshiachNow,

    Your advice “Ignore these mishigoyim they have nothing to do with Lubavitch or the Rebbe ztl” is with all respect NOT WORKING!!!

    And yes they do have SOMETHING to do with Chabad and the Rebbe ZTL and KLOL ISRAEL. It is a problem NOT just facing Chabad but all of us yidden, especially the Orthodox.

    They are perverting emess of Torah and creating a generation of yidden who dont know what Torah Judaism is. Also their apikores teachings are being used against less knowledgeable yidden to believe in yuske yemach shemo. Many xtian messianic missionaries are using the meshichisti teachings to justify the idea that believing in yuske is a “jewish Torah” ideal.

    Didnt you see how in the article Berger compared these meshichistis with xtians and says it is NORMAL. Yes they are yidden and it hurts to say this but reality is that they are a plague amongst us. Remember what happened when we didnt stop xtianity from spreading or shabbtai zvi? How many yidden were lost because we didnt contain apikores teachings and or false messiahs? So please whatever you do dont say IGNORE THE PROBLEM because it wont go away.

    Crown Heights Mother
    Crown Heights Mother
    15 years ago

    Frustrated Yid, I’m certain your first comment wasn’t removed by VIN because it was too obnoxious for them. After all, your post of 1:45 certainly is reprehensible.

    As for the rest of the posters…to those who say this Kanevsky woman is crazy: you don’t even come close to assessing the depths of her insanity if this garbage is even vaguely true.

    I live in CH, have done for 25 years, as a transplant from a real Litvishe/”misnagdishe” background. THANK G-D I don’t know who this woman is. I am embarrassed, hurt beyond belief, & sick that these “people” who really do a disservice to all Frum Jews everywhere continue to spout this stuff. The problem is, there’s not much we can do. We all know that anyone can do anything in the privacy of his/her own home. So unless there’s reason to believe she sells crack out of her apartment, how can the authorities stop her from writing “books” & holding psychotic sessions with her cohorts?

    As for 770…yes, she & her kind shouldn’t be allowed to defile the Shul. But again, if Rabbi Krinsky (whom I admire tremendously & I consider a family friend) hasn’t been able to get rid of these freaks until now, I suspect that legally, it’s an impossible task.

    Zalman Shmotkin, for those who don’t know him, is a perfect spokesperson for Lubavich & a true Chassid of the Rebbe. He was appointed by (also) true Chassidim; he is intelligent, refined, & knowledgeable. Whenever I am asked by people for my views I can honestly say I am NOT a spokesperson for Chabad, but I agree 1000% with everything that comes out of the OFFICIAL Lubavitch movement.

    Like Rabbi Shmotkin, my husband never davens in 770. Neither do I. My son, at 13, was nearly beaten to a shred because he refused to move from the “Shvil” because, as these freaks told him, “the Rebbe is coming in now.”

    I don’t have answers to this insanity. None of us does. But VIN’s lack of respect in publishing this nonsense on this site is at least mitigated by allowing us to hopefully counter some of the negativity that the Village Voice, historically never a friend of the Jews, has projected.

    Benyamin
    Benyamin
    15 years ago

    CROWN HEIGHTS MOTHER,

    I believe VIN publishing this is HELPING frum yidden by creating a format to talk about this dangerous movement. This isnt just a problem for Chabad it is a problem to all of Klol Israel.

    I agree with others that Chabad should start to FORMALLY separate and even isolate the meshichistis from the rest of Chabad. Once they are identified then all of the frum community can get behind OFFICIAL CHABAD…

    This may sound cruel but history has taught us in the past what happens when the Jewish community doesnt address apikores movements. How many yidden have been lost physically or spiritually because of these movements? Past History IE: xtianity, biryonim, bar kozeba, shabbatai zvi

    A Giant
    A Giant
    15 years ago

    There has yet to be a leader and lover of humanity and every single Yid like the Rebbe.

    There are thousands of stories from people of all walks of life that are being affected until this very day by the long reach of the Rebbe. Yes the Rebbe lives through his true followers and his love and dedication to the same people that use his services all around the world for kosher food minyanim midnight visits in hospitals where Chabad rabbis with 8 children will drive for hours and give of what they don’t have themselves to others.

    A good article about reconzing for a change the amazing love of Chabad is long over DUE.

    This love will bring Moshiach.

    And one more thing VAYAMINU BAHASHEM UBMOSHE AVDOI

    Believing in a Moshe a leader respecting him as the ultimate link to Hashem is not idol worshiping it’s in this Parsha

    The Rebbe gave every second of his life for all of you show some respect by having a little more love a care

    LOL
    LOL
    15 years ago

    Every Chabadsker believes the rebbe is mashiach or at least bechezkas moshiach. The shluchim have to hide it more than others so that their wealthy donors will not flee.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Some of these rediculous comments are much worse than what you accuse Lubavitchers to be. First of all, believing in Moshiach is one of the fundamental basics of Judaism…and if you were any bit religious, you would believe in Moshiach.

    A Tzaddik who passed away, is an ever greater vehicle to connect with Hashem than when he is alive. Kal Vechomer, when he was alive…he was so great. If you had any insight to what Lubavitch is and what a Rebbe is, you would not comment these comments. If you know anything about the history of Judaism in the last 50 years, you would know that Jews were only going off the Derech, not coming closer, Only Lubavitch started the baal tshuva movements and then the rest of the frum world followed…..

    If anyone could have been Moshiach…The Rebbe was deffinetely a candidate….and HALIVAI, for your sake, MOSHIACH SHOULD ONLY BE SUCH A NICE MAN LIKE THE REBBE, AND IGNORE YOUR STUPIDITY.

    Lubavitcher from Chicago
    Lubavitcher from Chicago
    15 years ago

    These lunatics don’t represent us. THEY ARE NOT LUBAVITCH! A chossid respects his Rebbe, these idiots make a mockery out of our Rebbe.

    There is an expression; ‘with friends like these, who needs enemies?’, so you can say the same; ‘with Chassidim such as these…’

    I heard a great story that illustrates what Chabad suffers from:

    There was once a man which owned a $5,000,000 Picasso. One day his son found it, and took paint and wrote across the painting “dad, I love you”. When the man saw what his son had done he fainted. These mishichtim really love the Rebbe but…

    Shoshana
    Shoshana
    15 years ago

    I knew this lady before she started believing in this serious mishegas. She doesn’t wear “form fitting clothing” she dresses tsniusly. That said she is obviously horribly misguided. I don’t think they’re allowed by law to get rid of her. I don’t see many ladies going to her shiur, B”H though but I was told that these people have been put in cherem and people shouldn’t go near them.

    I’d imagine 99% of Lubavitchers view them as pathetic creatures who need help. It’s easy to be angry but the only thing we can do is daven that they wake up and realize the error of their ways.

    I’m not in favor of divorced families but I’m happy in this case to hear that is so with her and that her husband has custody of the children. It’s such a chillul Hashem.

    Tzoorba
    Tzoorba
    15 years ago

    Chabad unfortunately has 2 movements:

    1 the meshichistin that say that the Rebbe is not dead and is Moshiach. My experience with the best of them is that the vast majority accept this opinion.

    2. Worse than this is the elokistin. They believe that the Rebbe is like Yoshka is to the xtians, rachamana litzlon. I saw a cd where one of the major spokesmen of Lubavitch was espousing this opinion in 770!

    I am surprised that most of the Torah world hasn’t assered davening with them.

    There are a few that are normal. As Rabbi Shimon Schwab z”l said, the maskilim stole tanach from us and the misguided Lubavitchers have stolen moshiach.