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Williamsburg, NY - A teacher at a prominent Satmar yeshiva in Williamsburg is being sued by a former student for sexual assault and abuse.
In court papers filed Wednesday, Joel Engelman is seeking $5 million in damages from Rabbi Avorohom Reichman, the yeshiva, the United Talmudical Academy and the Satmar Bungalow Colony, where Reichman also teaches in the sects summer camp in upstate White Lake.
The civil complaint alleges that Engelman, now 23, was 8 years old in 1993 when Rabbi Reichman sexually assaulted him. The suit alleges that Engelman suffered psychological and physical injury, which required medical and psychological treatment, as a result of the abuse.
The suit also alleges that the school continues to lack basic rules protecting children from sexual assault.
It states that a deal was in place in April whereby the Engelman family agreed not to pursue legal action in return for Reichmans resignation from the school and the camp. But Rabbi Reichman, according to the suit, was videotaped teaching at the camp in July, after the statute of limitations
for a criminal prosecution had run out.
Read the lawsuit here PDF
The defendants fraudulently induced Joel Engelman to enter into this exchange of mutual promises, and oral contract, the suit alleges.
It also claims that various Satmar officials investigated Engelmans allegations and found that ³there were multiple, credible complaints of sexual abuse made against Reichman.
Calls to United Talmudical Academy and the Satmar Bungalow Colony for comment were not returned.
I really didnt want this to get into the courts, Engelman told The Jewish Week. Had they done things differently [and fired Reichman], I probably wouldn't have sued. This is the last thing I wanted.
Engelman¹s sexual abuse allegations are the latest in a string of such charges made by former male yeshiva students in ultra-Orthodox schools in Brooklyn.
Rabbi Yehuda Kolko, a first grade teacher at Yeshiva Torah Temima in Flatbush, recently plead guilty to two counts of endangering the welfare of a child after being charged with several counts of sexual abuse. Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes defended the last-minute plea, citing the
young age of the plaintiff.
Several civil suits pending against Rabbi Kolko and the school seek a total some $50 million in damages.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:49 AM anon Says:
Imagine - they agree not to sue the predator who molested their son if he just resigns from the school to avoid destroying other young lives. no reporting to the authorities, no hush money, no public statement. ALL THEY WANTED TO DO WAS PREVENT THIS PREDATOR FROM PREYING ON OTHER PRECIOUS NESHOMAS and they could'nt even do that. I hope they throw the book at this aberration of humanity
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:49 AM mutty Says:
in the day of the rebbens yurtziet this shigatz has no major concerents than to sue a himishe herlicha yid. we need a lot of rachme shumayim.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:52 AM MDN Says:
You wanted to shut down nuchem rosenberg, now face the music. This is a package deal
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:
%100 pure Lashon Hara! Shame on VIN for publishing this garbage!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:54 AM parent Says:
The family should sue the whole system for fraud in the inducement. the whole agreement should be null and viod for numerous legal reasons. You cannot have a legally enforceable contract to conceal a crime. Why only 5 million dollars??????? The only way whoever is in charge of this yeshiva will learn their lesson is by being hit in the pocketbook. Obviously they felt no ethical, moral, or halachic obligation to keep predators away from children.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM sence Says:
COME ON
15 YEARS LATER
GIVE ME A BREAK
NONSENCE
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:
here we go again.
for every 1 victim that comes out publicly, I estimte there are 100 other victims that are silent.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM Sahbsi Says:
who is this engalman?
please post is bio?
and is this related to miryam on the talk show? if yes, than I don't believe the all story, she sound like a (kookoo) lady, so please some 1 should explain
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:59 AM MDN Says:
Hey 10:53, what's the matter, your son was not molested yet? If this teacher would kill students would you still say its lashan harah? How about molestation is worse than killing? Consult your sefer chofetz chaim because you seem not to know that sometimes it is a mitzvah to spread the word
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:59 AM BMG_KTLR Says:
Next - look to Monsey. There are very serious problems there. This cannot be hidden anymore. I am very sorry that this is happening and I hope that those that know will speak out.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:02 AM bora park jew Says:
Where was engelman day one? He was just a bad student and faced tuff times with Richman now he want's to clash him back No WONDER YESHIVA ARE AFRAID TO TAKE BAD BOY that because future lies!!!' Hasem yinkom dumon
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:05 AM moishe Zichmich Says:
Om the day of the rebbe's yourtzeit the coruption is being cleaned out of his moised. The Rebbe finally sheps nachas from his people. Let's clean house! Enough with the chazeirim having their way with the inocent shefelech.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:06 AM Monsey Guy Says:
PLEASE DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS, I know Rabbi Reichman and I can swear that this guy is totaly inoncese, this was verified by serious mature people who investigated this parsha, he is totaly clean, and besides he is a very choshuve rabbi for years and years, let hear if anybody else can say any story
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:06 AM parent Says:
sence - it is well established that victims do not come forward for various reasons not the least of which is humiliation. A sex victim especially in insular communities such as satmar, would be better served to keep it private for the sake of the family name and future shidduchim - that is just a fact like it or not. It is also embarrassing and the victim feels guilty and complacent is the abuse, as if an 8 year old can consent. The article dosent mention if he is married but at 23 if he is still single maybe the trauma of the abuse is now becomming a factor is his being able to go on with his life and marry and have his own family. It is extremely sad for the visctim and their families. And if these survicors do marry and have children the emotional effects of their trauma are a cause for emotional instability in the family. This is not a joke - lives are shattered and ruined.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:08 AM Pushiter yid Says:
I bet you they are going to silence Engelman one way or another.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:09 AM Anonymous Says:
Yes face the music this is problay just a tip in the iceberg now suits will fly out one after the other now you wil that Nuchme Rosenberg was a Tzadig and i dont know this engleman but i can assure you he does not have a problem with chsidshe pressure yes Nuchem you can put pressure not to let him davvem now lets see what you will do
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:13 AM anonymous Says:
HEY MUTTY 10:49 YOU SHUT UP BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!YES ON THE DAY OF HIS YARTZEIT TO PROTECT THE REMAINDER OF YIDDISHE NASHAMALACH THAT WERE ZOCHE NOT TO BE MOLESTED YET!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:16 AM 1984jew Says:
What Loshon Hora, I dont understand when the Satmarikens do something its wrapt around the kanoes of Pinchos. But when it comes to something against them, which they are eager to deny for their own reputation it becomes Loshon Hora. BS!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:18 AM Sahbsi Says:
I don't think sues will fly.
hashem is stronger than a few self haiting peaple, and I bet you
will see that the true will come out. and I don't makana this engalman family
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:18 AM parent Says:
Dear Boro Park Jew - I dont knw any of the players here but I can tell you this - if the victim was as you say a "bad student" who faced tough times with the alleged perpertrator, then he fits the mold of an abused student perfectly. The abuse is emotional and the rebbe who is a poosition of power over the victim uses that power to control the victim, So not only does the victim feel strong enough to report the abuse, to the cvontrary, a minipulative adult uses anything in his (or her) power to prevent such esposure. They can convince the victim that they are acting out of love or concern or whatever they feel will work on this particular victim. Moreover, if he was a "bad student" by the age of 8 there is a reason. And if the reason preexisted the relationship with the rebbe then the rebbe would have seem him as the perfect victim. It is almost the perfect crimwe.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:21 AM father Says:
mutty @10:49
thats right there cannot be a bigger zechus for th satmar rabbi in his yahrtzeit, then clean out his mosdos
kuddos for yoel engelman, ur the nachshon izchus harabim tuly boch
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM pupa rav From K.J. Says:
i dont believe it. He was my teacher but i have to say that he was a really nice guy and a good man but you can never know. In these days you cant believe anyone.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:
maybe we can get one of the warring rebbes to stop their stupidity and fight for the safety of our kids.
Wake up -
this is a REAL problem and until now has been hidden from the public; poor kids-
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:23 AM Anonymous Says:
Listen here, I know Both parties!! Rebbe Avram Reichman is a chashuvah person, versus Engleman is a Pure DOPe, Drug addict, Lowlife!!!!! Y is it right to ruin the entire Reichman family?? Nothing was confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A shame to what our world has come too!! I am purely embarresed!! I cant bring myself to look the world in the face!!!!!!!!!!!!People wake up!! WHy do u believe every piece of stupid gossip, and Loshon hora?!
Speechless.. i have no more words!!!!!!!!!! All we can do is daven and Cry to hashem to bring moshiach,because this world is SO so LOW!! its in MEM TES sharie tuma!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:24 AM Sahbsi Says:
look back history all the shkootzim from eu and maskilim
they tried to do the same thing to label the frum yiden with that
kind of stuff. the same as N.R. .
however 7% of the holokost victim was that from that group.
so don't be afraid that its will fly sues. because remember they starting with hashems chosen peaple
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:25 AM emes Says:
VIN you could still take off this news shame on u
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:26 AM deepthinker Says:
What is the TachLis of publicising this?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:26 AM Anonymous says: Says:
I don’t know if sueing is the right way, but that’s sure that the Talmud Torah did not respond in a proper way and now the name of the teacher will be all over they pace and will probably have to quit his job
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM baal teshuva Says:
in satmar the rebbe's can't say don't go to arkuos because they themselves are there.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:31 AM lebediger Says:
in monroe they made the molester menahel for menahl kluli why can't they send him away to work or to jail he dosent have to stay in yeshiva
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:
hey i was molested multiple times by some very chusive rabbis in satmar and out,i have many friends that were molested by these rebbes ,and even by some very fancy name endings like admorim v'rabunim ,sodont cover these up im a victim and so are hunderds and perhaps thousands of victims,there is this so called normal thing that m'trent arim ,nu nu give it time you all will be exposed ,its before moshiach is coming and hashem is expunging all the tuma on this world before he brings moshiach ,so watch who youre fighting,youre dealing with hashem,and he knows the truth.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM yashiva student Says:
if the story is true than I'm quit now ( I wouldn't post anything)
But if its not true (in my is does not make sence) this is a message the E. family remember you fighting a ham kudosh and this a clap for klal yisroel not only for 1 family.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM Anonymous Says:
Rosenberg, why did you close your hot line, we need you back, please dont let us down.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:40 AM Anonymous Says:
Unfortunatly, Not every Theif Keeps the hat burning (As Legend Says) Many are profesional enough to keep it on a low flame. There are pleanty of victims that are afraid of their parents or other authority, and are afraid to report it in fear of getting into trouble by themselves. This brave man actually grew out of his childish fears and is standing up for his honor and wants to save many potential victims.
It does not matter what color or smell your socks have. If you are a NO NO - You belong in Jail
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM anon Says:
The yeshiva didnt even return calls to the newspaper for comment. They could have said something - they look complacent by their silence. Innocent people have nothing to hide.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM earl Says:
Dear VIN,
Two incidents cannot be called "a string of incidents" BTW, is Reichman a Zoli or an Aroni? What about Engleman? Is it possible that one side is behind these charges as a way to embarris the other?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM Anonymous Says:
shame on all of you for silencing this all along . now face the music. you greedy bad people.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM mnachem Says:
if you all would now mrs. englman you would not write anything
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:
my friend was molested by rabbi reichman 15 years ago so dont tell us he didnt do it you bluffs
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:01 PM mnachem Says:
to 11.02 b.p. jew
you can writ a hole book on the englman family but here is not the place
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:
and if you knew the buchirim that were molested,(innocent of all)you wouldnt go and say poor mrs reichman this guy has been doing it for years...
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:
all of you that were molested now is the time to come out and point fingers ,in the end our stories will stick up and you all will be punished.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:
This is an outrageous crime! I happen to know both parties involved. I am a student from Reb Avrohom Reichman, I learned in his cheder for over a year - about 17 years ago - and he was, and still is, a very chovisher, ehrlicher, derhoibener yid! He probably did what every melamed - and every parent - occasionally do, and that is give a shmais or two on the backside, which is absolutely nothing wrong or unusual. In today's world, this practice of slight punishment is called "sexual abuse". Reb Avrohom never ever did anything more than that! This lowlife Joel Engelman, is nebech a dropout empty headed lowlife, who became a drug addict at the age of 17, and was - leider, leider - seen a few times smoking pot on Shabbos Kodesh! He is trying to pull a dirty tactic on a prominent eideler Yid. It's a shame to see how people comment here with such idiotic statements without having the slightest knowledge of what is going on.גורו לכם מיום הדין, גורו לכם מיום התוכחה
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:
earl- enough with your ridiculous comments this is a serious matter and to all you writing comments one way or another now that this is in court they cant hush it up so lets see what happens before you accuse either side of lying
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:
12:02 you might know rabbi reichman,but the truth is he has done this to me when i was 9 years old and no he didnt shmais me on the behind he literaly held my penis in his hand while moaning,oy i have to do such a thing,but hey u tore youre pants,so i have to fix it and oy I have to touch you there because you tore your pants,so i have to fix it,doing it for over an hour,and making me feel blamed for having torn my pants,guys get some seichel,dont think its a lie we all know the truth of this and all thats going on in our chasidishe system,there is a ehrliche ruv in williwmasburg that has a huge shul and has chasidim by the thousands and he molested me too ,and no amount of ridicule will take away the fact that I was molested by them and many many more.so stop all this hushing-hushing because the more you shut us up all the more powerful this will hit you in the face and will explode all over the media as us chareidim chassidim anshei maase yire shamayim ,as being the most despicable of us yidden,(no harm meant).at least support those that were molested so they will feel we recognize them as such,the more you guys continue to deny us,youre frustrating usand were gonna fight for this,so hold youre horses you might just fall off your horses when all this is over.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM x218 Says:
if all the cases were added up by 5 million dollars then it would add up to a couple hundred million dollars minimum. hey you molested kids... pay up. u go joel be a role model for all the other victims.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM moshe Says:
to habucher hachusiv yoel engelman I and several classmates were molested ,please email,so we can both go and make a suit,i am willing to testify,let me know where you be reached thanks.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:19 PM Anonymous Says:
mutty Says:
in the day of the rebbens yurtziet this shigatz has no major concerents than to sue a himishe herlicha yid. we need a lot of rachme shumayim.
08-28-2008 - 10:49 AM
you as well as anyone else who sticks up for reichman are walking chillul hashems
only way youll all wake up and smell the coffee is when it happens to your kids only way youll learn and then well see which song youll all sing
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM John from Bushwick N.Y. Says:
Guys could I make peace overhere? Guys sit down,talk civily and break bread. I love the jews I cant take it when they fight
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:27 PM good Says:
you go joel!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:28 PM anon Says:
Ich vies as de sachen geshen. ein choshover yid rebba hut mich getouched. men darf shoen machen secher as dos vet shoin nisht zein by inz. ober tzi sogen as dos is nisht do, sheker vchosov. bedidi have ivda. Ich bet ala shriebers as nisht shreiben sachin voz macht a chilul hashem, lo sheeloni leinen oiched. shreibts in inzira shprach
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:34 PM SMART Says:
I personally know of a rebbi in a choshiva chedder that he was one of the best TEACHING rebbi's and studens really did well in his class ,but he was a pervit a chazer a minuvel ,i mean the things that he did are undiscribable enough said !!!! i know it for a fact & those who he molested also know it ...he did not do it to every kid ,he hade his karbones ect... he left the teaching a few years ago because of some pressure that someone made very quitly ,again no one came foward but the menahel knew and those who told him to go out of the chedder knew for a while that this was going on !!! my point is their are many reasons that people won't come foward ,that doesn't mean he is innocent & their are many people that are choshiv or who put that choshiva act & make choshiva shdichem & sit up front in shul and so on ..that means nothing ,!!!!!!!! i'm not taking any sides ,but to say he is chosev so it can't be true ,that not true .& to say joel is on drugs ect..so he can't be believed ,i'm not defending joel ,but mabey thats why he is on drugs !!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:38 PM Anonymous Says:
Does any big mouth here know this lo life Engelman? he is a street boytchik on drugs and has no money to support his addiction, cell phones and fancy cars, so he went back to a teacher that was to strict to him, and decided to strike on him, so he can make an effortless fortune.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:
I don't believe what I'm seeing here! this tzadik was my melamed, and we were once neighbors, the last person you would be able to smear such lies on! this is 100% libel!
and who is suing him? look into this one!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:
Why is it always the rabbi's and the yeshiva boys.. I am sure that there are some bais yaakov girls who this had happed too for their moras. I think they too should come foward
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:
People say R' Reichman is a chashuvah person how does anyone know. Child molesting is a sickness has nothing to do with being frum,chashuv,long payes and beard,white socks and shokenlen by davenen. Just remember those 3 boys in japan waiting to chasveshulem be killed, who gave them the drugs?? an old frum yid with a long beard let him rot in hell for ever. Same here R' Reichman can be a chusheve yid but he may be very SICK.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:
I must say that after listening to Dov Hikind's show 2 weeks ago, Im smiling now!
Git Hut Ehr Getune! Halevieh hub ich oich dee bietzim zee machen a lawsuit! Problem is that ich bin asach elter mit groiseh kinder!
More Power to Yoily!!! Bring Em all down!!!!!!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:47 PM common ¢ Says:
anon - es iz shoun tzee shpet
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:
hey guys yes you can say Reichmann is a low life but the problem is only he can come out public if there would be a way to hide the identity of the him she coming out they would be thousands of cases I have no doubt but nobody wants to come out and I don’t blame them because there would be a ko kora tomorrow he cannot davven else where so it has to be a Reichmann to come out to get all of saved he will be a hero and if he is a low life maybe this will be a real zchis for his neshama to save so many thousands of molestation for the coming future because on him the rabaanim cant put pressure and cant come out with a kol kora not to davven in any shul so the only think they will do is come out against ricman that he is a lowlife and they will try to wash it away but after all court documents we will see bottom line
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:
chzzak chazak,cahzak.
we need to rid our garden,from these thorns,in our midst.
we also need a deterrent,for others,it should not reoccur.
it is a good thing he did not resign,this will force the school,to add more protection,as the matter wiil be addressed in the open.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:
i'm not satmar & i don't know either party involved. i also have no clue if the allegations are true or not.
BUT- i don't know why people feel they are discrediting the victim by writng bad stuff about him. did it ever occur to you that just because he didn't grow up to be satmar &/or even if he went astray doesn't mean the allegations aren't true. just bec he may have a drug habit or not religious ( just examples, i don't know him) doesn't mean he's a liar. furthermore, maybe he was turned off & suffering as a result of this abuse & therefore went astray.
just some food for thought.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:
it is a fallacy to say that this besmirches,the whole reichman family.
it only pertains to this person,and while he is choshuv,he still hsas to face some consenquence.
let him retire or find some other job,not with children.
i am certain,that even now he can settle if he resigns.
by sticking to his akshonos,he is digging his own hole.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 12:59 PM Anonymous Says:
@anon: 12:57
you wrote: "it is a fallacy to say that this besmirches,the whole reichman family.
it only pertains to this person,and while he is choshuv,he still hsas to face some consenquence"
i say: if these allegations are true he ain't choshuv!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:04 PM common ¢ Says:
in lubavitsh u never hear of such stories
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:05 PM a Says:
It’s a very scary sad situation that’s been going on for to long. I’m now a father bli ain horah of 3 kinderlich. And yes I myself was molested by a Madrich in camp when I was 10 years old. I pray and hope that my kinderlich don’t ever go thru the same. And it’s about time we do something about it. [Maybe we should teach our kids that NO ONE is aloud to touch you in a way that makes you feel uncomforted]. But I really don’t think that suing for millions of dollars is the torah way.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
Anon 12:38
Did it ever occur to you that maybe this poor guy you call "low life Engelman" wouldn't be on drugs and on the streets if he wasn't molested and abused by this so called chushiver Rebbe.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:10 PM truth Says:
its not loshon hora put the guy in jail and kill him hes worse than amurder
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:
It's a known fact that these predators prey on the weak and vulnerable. So it sounds like a classic case. Also to say that the victim picked on this rebbe is also questionable because he had a choice 9 to 10 rabbis to choose from but yet he did not accuse any other.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:14 PM Community Psychotherapist Says:
Yes, Joel Engelman is unfortunately no longer frum. Yes, he belongs to a heavy metal band. But that is no reason to discount his story. On the contrary, if any of you know anything about sexual abuse victims that have been molested by people of the clergy would know that this is a reason for the victims to turn away from religion. Here is a man that is supposed to represent yiddishkeit in it's purest form, here is a man that these children are supposed to learn from, suppposed to look up to; And they were nebach betrayed in the worst of ways. Yiddishkeit becomes a very conflicting idea to them. Is this what you (clergy) are supposed to represent? Such hypocracy? I could go on and on explaining the psychology behind this. It still remains very cloudy for people that have fortunately never experienced being abused or have never had to deal with abused victims on a daily basis. Being sexually molested as a young child or teenager is not like being punched in the face. That pain goes away. Sexually abused victims pain and torture never goes away. They are scarred for life. This is a psychological issue. Their lives become a mess. Every case plays out differently, but the common denominator is that they live with the haunt forever. Let's not condemn Mr. Engelman for leaving the fold - so quickly. Rabbi Reichman most very likely is the cause of this. Kudos to Mrs. Engelman for going public with her story. It took a lot of courage for you to come on to the Dov Hikind program. Let's hope that the tachlis will be that I will have much less parents and children to council on this topic and hopefully our yeshivos will realize the seriousness of this and literally clean house of these nebach sick people. They can get jobs in any other profession. Just keep them away from our teiere kinderlach. Rabbossai, child molesters cannot heal themselves with a warning from their respective menahalim. They need therapy to heal themselves, and keep them away from children. I hope I make myself clear: The fact that you know someone to be a choshuve ehrliche yid does not detract from a sick secret side that they may have to themselves. It is not something they flaunt to the public. They may be choshuv and ehrlich in every other area, but they have this psychotic perversion in their minds that you don't know about. Knowing the alleged victimizer in a positive light does not supply anything in his defense. It is time to show compassion to the unfortunate alleged victims and show them that we believe them and will try to do what we can to help them. Part of why we don't hear these stories come out till years later is because the child always has a fear that he won't be believed along with other facets such as being under the manipulative spell of the abuser. May Hakb"h show his middah of rachamim im these upcomin yemei horachamim and give these tortured children/adults some closure for what they have gone through, and may sexual molestation be wiped out from amongst us. Amen V'Amen.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:16 PM common ¢ Says:
how many bochurim were mentaly koo-koo from DR Judy's radio program 15 years ago?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:17 PM Anonymous Says:
there was a time in years gone by that a the person hired as a melamed was one who failed at everything else. Now the alleged malamed singles out the yeshiva with the ripest sechoira
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:
Many years ago, in a bungalo colony, my husband was molested by the melamed. (with a few other kids too). My husband was to scared to say anything at that time. B"H we are married and have a nice family, but I feel that my husband still has some effects from that time. He does not remember the name of the melamed-but he remembers the act 'in detail'.
I try to keep the lines of communication with my 3 sons very open, but I am still VERY scared about something happening to them.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:20 PM Gei Mer Says:
What shocks me the most is all these lies on Joel. I know joel personally:
He's really not on drugs AT ALL, he spends every single Shabbos with his family and never smoked pot anywhere let alone on Shabbos. He isn't and never was a Lehachesnik. He was never your typical Chasidishe dropout. Unlike all the others, he's extremely smart. and since he has nothing to loose like above father of 3 kids or other victims that are married or are already in shidduchim with their own kids. Kol hakavod we're with you all the way.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:
I think there has to be a number where you can call anonymously and tell your story. Many people have kids in shiddichim in kenen nisht ainshtelen zayer mishpacha.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:26 PM ploni Says:
where there's smoke there's fire!!! i can see why this poor boy would be rebellious,.but at least he is alive and didnt hang himself like the other tortured souls out there...but thats another issue that gets swept deep under the carpet !!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:
Firstly, if this Engelman boy is a drug addicted drop out, tell me....how the **** do you think he got to that state??? Do any of you cretins think that possibly abuse by a trusted Rebbe could cause a bochur to go off the Derech?
But I thought there isn't a statute of Limitations...wasn't Mondrowitz brought back after 20 years to face charges? I think these cases can be prosecuted as long as the creep still draws breath.
I agree with a, don't sue. But then again, the only thing some of these places know is the A-mighty Dollar.
Where is this Reichman character now?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:
common ¢ Says:
in lubavitsh u never hear of such stories
This sickness has nothing to do do with which chasidus you belong to and has everything to do with the individual perpetrator.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:29 PM nothing new Says:
old stories resurfacing - nebach to the victims how they have to relive this devastating 'tekufa' in their lives. Trust me, I know, my son is also a victim BUT WHAT will ANYONE accomplish by dredging up old news. He was 8/ yrs old then He's 24 now......what can I accomplish by bringing this out to the forefront....yes, there ARE devastating reprecussions BUT weigh the PRO & CON of the situation. Will it hurt MORE NOW by bringing this up all over again
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:
Reporting is a good way to start the healing process.Yashar Koach! I wish mr. Engelman the best! By the way, you can heal from this-it takes time and patience ( and a good therapist) but you cna heal and go on with your life.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:33 PM Anonymous Says:
After reading many of the above comments, I'm satisfied that Joel has picked the legal route, as it seems that many people will never believe that "derhoibener yiden" can be molesters.
The Catholic community had the same problem; they couldn't believe that their "derhoibener galochim" can be molesters. The church played on those misconceptions and they were only bought to their knees by the legal system.
Our chadorim are no different, but what a shame that we need the Goyishe judiciary to force on Satmar commonly understood humane principles.
You go Joel!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:35 PM Anonymous Says:
this is a situation that regardless of the civil war that the rebbes and their followers must unite and make a public statement and investigation so that innocent children will be protected from the people that are supposed to teach them ethics
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:35 PM Anonymous Says:
Can anyone please post a picture of this Reichman menival? I need to make sure my children don't use the same mikve as him...
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:
Community Psychotherapist 1:14 PM
I must commend and thank you you on an excellent and most poignant comment.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:38 PM Anonymous Says:
Community Psychotherapist 1:14 PM
I must commend and thank you on an excellent and most poignant comment.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:46 PM Anonymous Says:
hey let me think was i abused 20years ago ?let me make a couple $ also.. never mind noone wanted me i was to ugly
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:
nothing new:
there is a point to bringing this all up: To prevent it from happening to other innocent children. Molesters cannot help themselves, they need to be kept away from our children. And if this is the only way to do it, then its worth it to relive and rehash "the devastating tekufah" that your son went through.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:49 PM Laidi Gayer Says:
Many of these posts are pure fantasy. How can people claim that Engelman is Frum and others claim he is not frum. Obviously people who have nothing to do (like myself) are just writing what's in their imagination
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:
THANK YOU DOV FOR YOUR CONTINUES WORK IN HELPING KLAL YISRAEL.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:50 PM Flo Flo Says:
I wish I could send some money to support Joel Engelman. Please if you want public help for lawyer’s money please open A PO Box. I have a few hundred dollars ready to send if you need it. This BS needs to stop. This is no loshon hora. Joel were all here to support you, we understand your pain
Go Joel
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:52 PM Anonymous says: Says:
i Would only say that after trying to get this CHZER off the job quitley and failed, by now the Mosed including with the Rabbi him self will suffer
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:57 PM LeiderLeider... Says:
Nothing New - The purpose of bringing it up is to ensure that this sicko doesn't have the opportunity to get near children again, and to ensure that the yeshivas are more careful and react properly to these situations.
In fact, as you son was a victim (and I'm sorry that your son and the rest of your family had to go through the emotional pain of dealing with this), you may have an OBLIGATION to pursue this issue until you feel comfortable that the perpetrator has limited or no access to children. You also have the obligation to ensure that the Yeshiva realizes that they have to deal with these issues.
I cannot recommend what method you should use to achieve your obligation. I can understand if you don't wish to do it in a public manner such as Engelman, but do it you must! One way or another!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 01:57 PM Anonymous Says:
keep on your good work this has to stop we need to speak up for our selfs
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:04 PM Anonymous Says:
but why always when there is such a story everyone loves to comment? that alone is a very big shame!!! article was posted about 4 hours ago & has almost 100 comments
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:11 PM Anonymous says: Says:
2:04 PM
including you keep quite
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:
i say people comment,because they felt such abuse ,or similar,in their youth.
when i say similar i mean by friends or acquaintence.
almost everyone that grew up in the system,had some experiences.
obviously.this is ten times worse,as it was perpetrated by a married adult. v'dal
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:22 PM LeiderLeider... Says:
anon 2:04. I am confounded by your comment. This is an extremely sensitive subject and we are grateful when given the opportunity to comment on these issues.
We do not have an cohesive organization in our community for these issues (except for the various pathetic Tzinous patrols, who will rather concentrate on the size of shoe buckles and the length of Sheitels than on the real problems out there).
This is a great forum to exchange ideas and give and receive advice. I have no clue where you're coming from and what you were trying to imply with your insensitive derisive comment.
You're entitled to your opinion, but a little class would be appreciated. Many of the commentators went through extreme suffering. Be kind. Be sensitive.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:25 PM Anonymous Says:
i agree at first i did not belive as well when Nuchem came out in public then we started talking between friends i can say everybody has a story and they had no reason to lie it was the other way everybody said the same i was ashamed to tell anybody nobody told thier parents they where asheamd i could not belive it i spoke to over 10 friends everybody had a story that means that there must be thousands of victims and as reb Nuchme would say our rabbinm are extremly busy with lipa smelchzer and the fres truck what a shame and i have nothink against the rabbnim i am not angery at the system i am a chsid and proud of it but to deny the facts and doing what they didi to Nuchme Rosenberg for telling the truth and now i see how correct he was by talking on rabbnim he had no choise tehre is a fire burning and everbdy is quite its a fact the rabbnim are protecting theese molsetres or by being naive or just of neglect because they dont care what a shame
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:27 PM thfgdjdsk Says:
bora park jew: I just wish you were molested by these sick animals. And then you would see how dumb, ignorant and arrogant you sound.
You will be the one to pay once you die.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:27 PM Anonymous Says:
in the court system if
any accuser vs. yid especially if chasidish
the accuser is right no matter what character he carries:
to a rightous and decent person if its
BUM vs. reichman then Reichmann is totally clean:
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:32 PM fed up Says:
i cant stand all these schmucks that think because someone is a rebbe or a menahel or chushiv he cant do this kind of stuff!!!!!!!!!! its outrageous there is a reason there is a ISSUR MIN HATORAH of MISHKAV ZUCHUR... this sick low life can do this to young innocent yingerlech is crazy.... why dont they start up with 20 yr olds because they know we will beat the **** out of them... i am sick to my stomach.... Yoel engelman and family i dont know who you are but i am sorry you had/have to go through all this pain and suffering but the kindness of you ppl for not wanting to publicize this is amazing this rebbe and all other chushive and non chushive ppl will learn the "hard" (no pun intended) way when ppl aare willing to do this under the spotlight and dont want to cooperate then they deserve this... joel keep it up and der eibershter zol dich helfen that u should heal from your wounds and all other victims... its time we step up and protect our kids these are the most precious things in our entire life lets protect them and lets not get discouraged from all these hoodlooms that try to protect the molestors we should castrate them and then no more taavus
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:37 PM Double Standard? Says:
Folks, you are being mislead by so called 'rabbis'.. who are more interested in shaming a concert producer and making him lose money than taking care of real issues. It is time to ban the concert ban rabbis and other fake ones, before it its too late!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:41 PM Anonymous Says:
Anon 2:04
You idiot. The reason for the tremendous outpouring of comments from so many on this topic only goes to show you how serious and deep rooted this problem is . Unfortunately for way to long it has been neglected and hidden from sight. It's about time that it's tackled head on
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:42 PM anon Says:
ווער עס האט א פערזענדליכע פרשה זאל עס ביטע שרייבען אין אידיש, עס דרייען זיך דא פארשידענע עלעמענטען וד"ל
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:45 PM yoely from BP Says:
its nebach a krank vos di chazeirim huben.... this has nothing to do what you look like how u dress what profession you have its a crazy sickness but to protect them thats just CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY i am a chusid and i have friends that are chassidishe and litvish it has nothing to do but some were molested and the reason they dont come out earlier is 1- they are afraid of the molestor (especially if its ur rebbe or menahel or gabbai fin shil)they will suspend you if u say anything or give u bad grades even if u do well on your farher or tests 2- your parents wouldnt believe you 3- friends will make fun of you... and for your information these animals pick on kids that are shy or very quiet usually alos with no friends so they want to be mekarev you i am not saying they wouldnt pick on popular kids but them they try to stay away because they knew which kids will keep quiet... and how the hell would an 8 yr old kid know what molesting is c'mon please..... i knnow nebach victims that took their lives and families destroyed and nebach on the reichman mishpucah not the so called rabbi but his wife kids ,etc because its not their fault but this man and all others that molest kids we should hang them and make them suffer and they shouldnt be allowed to be near kids in any shape or form let them all move to teh midbar and molest each other but stay far away from inzere teire kinder.... joel engelman gr8 work!!!!!!!!!!! nebach that u had to go through all this but der eibershter zol dich in daine gantze mishpucah helfen that u should go through this long and painful process easy as possible
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:46 PM me Says:
i wasa yeshiva boy like all of you and i was haresset many many times by older boys and back in that time i realy had issues i wasnt able to talk to people normaal and i a littile ocd about it and we all have to make sure to get rid of all minvolim ASAP if some one is rejecting me i wane hear know because i was a victim BUT BUT we are not allowed to make a chillil hashem
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:52 PM abi melebt Says:
this is disgusting why cant these rebbeim keep their freakn hands to themselves?????
id be scared to send my child to school now, until i investigate every staff member!and maybe the hanahla should do that so they wont have such crazy incidents occuring!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:
a)being the times we live in anything is possible so its high time we took proaction instead of reaction when its too late!!
there should be be cctv installed in all classrooms(if any suspicions or accusations are made the cctv can tape as well should the need arise),sound listening devices,and under any circumstances should there be locks on classroom doors!! the above would go along way to stop any individual who has preverted intentions etc
these steps would benefit the rebbe as well as the children as one who is being suspected w/o reason will be able to prove the accusations are unfounded and the parents/children will be happy and protected being their is always a menahel or office that can see and hear anything going on in the classroom that isnt normal and zero in on any abnormal behavior. should the rebbe have any other motive besides punishing/hitting the child (which is another discussion in and of itself if the old way of hitting should still be practiced today)it will all be black and white and wont end up an issue of he said child said (or child doesnt say)etc
of course this wouldnt work for the menahls private office but im sure their r ways to protect children from the menahel as well leave doors open etc
if this is what has to be done to prtect our children its a small price to pay and all should
be in aggreement to this plan
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Aug 28, 2008 at 02:59 PM Anonymous Says:
%100 pure Lashon Hara!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:
Hashem yeruchem to the the person who chas vesholem tries anything to my child. How can you parents not do anything after you find out what happens? I would be happy to sit in a jail for many years to exact revenge on the sicko that tried to do ANYTHING to my children! We all should take a stand, not one in court, but in the streets with sticks and bats. Enough is enough!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:02 PM Anonymous Says:
der voss shreibt in yiddish voss hust du moreh
voss bahabst du??
its about time these issues r brought out into the open we must protect our children!!this comes before anything else
and if satmar didnt remove this rebbe from its hanhula its a shame and they carry the stain and r responsible for this being brought into the open shame SHAME ON SATMAR how could they dare continue to stick up for the rebbe and not take into acct all the children that have been screwd(excuse my choice of words pun intended)for life and all the children who will continue to suffer at this mans hands????whats the rationale behind their decision??i beleive this boy yes he was on drugs and yes he's messed up but who caused it????
untill u face up to this question your not going to face up to the solution to remove such people from having any direct relationship with children and i would make sure their arent any childrenm around when he uses the mikva either
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:02 PM Anonymous Says:
EASY WAY TO MAKE MONEY
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:
anon why r u reading the comments if your worried about 100% loshon hora
your a total idiot who i hope has no children of your own
dont read it dont beleive it and send your kids to his class as well JUST MAKE SURE YOUR SON DOESNT RIP HIS PANTS!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:15 PM anon Says:
There is something wrong with both sides of this story.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:18 PM Anonymous Says:
VERY SMART MR. ENGELMAN, I WISH ALL VICTIM'S WOULD COME FORWARD AND GIVE OUT ALL THE NAMES OFF THESE MOLESTERS, AND PUT THEM IN JAIL FOR THE REST OF THIER LIVES! SO MAYBE OUR KIDS WILL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE...
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:29 PM Anonymous Says:
Is anyone keeping a tally & count of all the comments, if they are for or against the accused rebbe?
I think this should be the determining factor if the rebbe is innocent or not.
Otherwise, what’s the point for all the comments?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:35 PM Faigy Says:
How extreme fanatical most your comments are. You label someone who is molested a drug addict, an oisvarf, garbage.. etc. But the manival rapists you call chushiv. GROSS!
Those who stress lushen hora or defend such a horrible crime against humanity are just as bad as the pig doing the crime!
Lets not forget all those girls who were raped by family members in the chassidish world who get married and act all normal on the outside yet cry in the inside cause nobody will listen.
This is a serious matter and it pains me most sites or hotlines focus on the men.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:37 PM Ph.D. Says:
I don't know enough to comment on this story. But I am amazed that so many responders have no idea of how to write correct English or to spell elementary English words! trooly amaizink!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:47 PM Anonymous Says:
To all kiddush/chilul hashem guys in this forum:
A Kiddush Hashem is for a cheder to take care of it's issues. A Chilul Hashem is for the issue having to be resolved in court.
Hiding the story is only the result of your shame. Take care of the problems and you'll have less stories to hide. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:52 PM Anonymous Says:
mrs. engelmen i know you very well and you know me i cant talk to you openly i understand that its bothering you what happened to your son but you know very well @ the bottom of your heart that its not true please stop it for your own sake their is a beshafer on the velt.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:53 PM dreidel Says:
to all beleivers in this story out there:
i know that these things actually happen in our schools but i only give this story a 10% chance of being scincere. i don't personally know other of the parties involved - except uta - but what it seems to be is that mr. engelman is looking for revenge for his unsuccessful past. since nuchem rosenberg encouraged people to fabricate stories regarding child molestation (or molesteration how he called it) he became aware of an opportunity to blame others for his situation. no one would beleive it on a family member unless it's proven to be true so let's not run to conclusions here.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:56 PM Anonymous Says:
Its Sad but still A fact
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Aug 28, 2008 at 03:58 PM Anonymous Says:
who said that it's a fact some troubled guy that wants to get back at his rabbe
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:01 PM Community Psychotherapist Says:
anon 3:29
You are being very naive
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:04 PM lets face it Says:
I don't know either party in this story. But I could tell you that I am a victim by the hands of a very well like teacher who now runs a chesed organization in Monsey. Numerous times I tried to speak to Rabbonim, so that not to get the courts invovlved. The Rabbonim do not want to hear anything. If someone is well liked in the community, then noone believes the victim. Let me tell you I have nothing to gain from making up this story. I just stepped back and I am waiting for Hashem to pay her back. Good luck to all victims that feel like they have the strength to come forward.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:11 PM Don Says:
People it is wrong to comment on what you don't know.
You don't know what this Rabbi may or may not have done unless you were there - in which case you may be a victim or accessory. Abuse takes minutes in school and because he is great in shul doesn't mean he can't be a sexual predator.
You don't know why the alledged victim is as screwed up as he may or may not be - alledgedly he was molested.
That's why they will have their day in court - its just a shame the case wasn't brought 14 years ago - with a criminal charge.
And its a shame that people still don't bring charges against other Rabbis and Teachers whether physical or sexual or emotional abuse.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:16 PM yg Says:
THE STORY IS FORE SHORE TRUE
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:18 PM Setting The Record Straight Says:
#1 Reichman failed...failed... a lie detector test given to him at the behest of UTA during Chol Hamoed Pesach. He failed directly on the questions of molestation and not on the question of whether he hit the children!
#2 UTA promised Joel that he would no longer have a job with them - this included his chazakedig job with Satmar Bungalows during the summer months. They also said Reichman was being sent for therapy.
#3 UTA made Reichman leave - he did not return to his class after Yom Tov and stayed away for the rest of the term. (the end of June)
#4 UTA's greatest fears were criminal charges against them, and an even greater fear of other victims, seeing Joel's success with ousting a protected pedophile, copying him - and what a disaster that would be (for the school).
#5 Their legal research showed that the statute of limitations on this crime expired June 24 '08 - ergo no fear of legal prosecution. To deal with their second fear of copycat acts they needed at all cost to re-hire Reichman and defend him, which they promptly did on July 1st at Satmar Bungalows in White Lake.
#6 To UTA it mattered not at all that they were betraying Joel and stabbing him in the back and playing him for a fool. They'd done this previously with others and gotten away with it. Their credo is Might makes Right!
#7 From July 1st, Joel's family (not understanding UTA's agenda) repeatedly begged and pleaded with UTA, Satmar Bungalows, their Dayanim, their administrators, independant Rabbonim, community activists to help avoid a potential tremendous Chilul Hashem and send Reichman away from contact with young boys - to no avail! (In fact, Reichman himself is a Korban of their machinations. Had UTA not rehired him, the innocent members of his family would not have had to suffer the consequent shame and humiliation they now have to face).
#8 UTA missed an awesome opportunity to act Al Pi Torah and Al Pi human decency - they should have continued to keep Reichman away, and furthermore they should have made every effort to help Joel heal! UTA should be made to pay for their cruelty in sacrificing a Jewish soul!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:18 PM Anonymous Says:
Good Job Mrs.Engelman it;s about time somebody comes forward and presses charges. These sick people must rot in jail forever to protect our kids
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:19 PM anonymous Says:
To 3:52
If you know mrs. Engelman and you are SOOOO sure it didn't happen why can't you tell her? I can understand why those who believe are hiding behind anonymous posts they are worried as I am myself of reprecussions but you 3:52 and others who don't believe why are you hiding? What are you ashamed of?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:21 PM Z Says:
anon 3:52 and dreidel 3:53 is obviously the same person. In the first message he knows her very well, in the second "i don't personally know other of the parties involved" So to paraphrase mr. dreidel "to all beleivers in this story out there" dont believe driedel.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:52 PM Anonymous says: Says:
I just spoke to a familey member of Engelmqn and he told me he never took drugs & he he si allways home for shabos
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:54 PM dreidel Says:
yg 4:16
you realy make me believe this story after seeing your comment. come on, don't post hollow comments you need some backup to substantiate your words. unless your board and have nothing else to write.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:59 PM dreidel Says:
Z 4:21
i didn't state any facts that you should discourage others from beleiving me. i just posted my opinion. i can't figure out what your trying to point out by sying that i'm the same as the person who posted before my comment. could you please tell us what makes you think so? btw why do you thing i'm a "he" and not a "she"?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 04:59 PM abi gezunt Says:
sad! from all 4 menahalim in UTA throop ave. rav richman was the most normal one!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 05:08 PM Anonymous Says:
its is not nurmel
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Aug 28, 2008 at 05:21 PM Bella Says:
Faigy, neither should we forget any girls in any community that were molested by family members.
Your comment made it sound as if it's a Chassidishe thing when it's something that happens in all different communities. Hashem Yerachem.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 05:35 PM joel Says:
I learned by rabbi riechman, what should I say.. I never had such a normal rabbi, I was one of his best boy's (m'yuchsim) and I can say he is total clean. Its a shame that people are writing so mean against him when they don't know him.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 05:43 PM shiya Says:
we know Engelman and he is a bum! loi olainy, and we know reb avrom reichman he is b"h much smarter then that! And we also know that anybody can come and say what ever they want and the outer party has to find the way out, if there is
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:00 PM Some ruv Says:
To Shiya 5:43.
We also know that there is such a thing called lie detector which he faild.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:01 PM Anonymous Says:
Joel can you please tell us how to donate to your legal expense
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:03 PM Yossi Says:
after all, who would won't that his child should be mlested, you will never ever find someone saying 'I would'n care if my child will be mlested'... And who know what's doing with your children in school.... Who says that there are safe??? if such a thing could happn in the trusted trusted trusted schools............
Its so scary that such a thing can happen.....
Wasnt nuchem Rosenberg right?????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:08 PM Anonymous Says:
Yes, in 2008 any bum could just go and anyone he has an old account with for raping, molesting, abusing, assaulting and what else.. and now you go and deny it after thousands of readers saw it in the news, and some "extra intelligent" self hating morons will go to blog sites to add fuel to the flame with their non sense, without checking out any facts.
I guess it pays for some hoodlums to go on drugs and shtick, and then sue and blame your teacher..
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:09 PM Anonymous Says:
Child molestation is a sickness in the Frum world, if you take a poll you will find out 1 in 5 children from heimishe cheders were subject to some sort of sexual abuse, not allways be Rebbes but by some older students, no we would not say its ok but go and sue?? we are not educated sexually, we need some specialist with a torah authurity to take care of all this, HASHEM YERACHEM
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:
this is a new way for anyone who wants to take nekama on a rebbe who once punished him
now wait and if our yeshivas will not get from now on qualified rebbes and teachers because every normal person will say mah li ltzoroh hazois why should i put in work with those yidishe neshomolech if one day one of the talmidim will make up such a story on me
all of you guys who support this engelman even if you are not sure that this story actualy happened you will also suffer from this because your children will not have good qualified melamdim you harm your children!!!! you will suffer!!!!
so for your good please dont jump to conclusions
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:12 PM dave Says:
To setting the records straight:
You have no idea wat you r talking about and it just made me laugh hysterricly the way you wrote a meggilas worth of stupid fasle information on vim
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:13 PM Parve Says:
TO ALL of you who cannot spell correctly: I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY> You sound stupid and so you are. The accuser would not embarrass himself just for the sake of suing. If you think a cute kid is attractive,then stay away from him.,even if you are a "choshuve rov with long beard and peyos. Anyone can can disguise himself.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:22 PM MOTHER Says:
I am a mother of 2 boys that learnd by rabbi reichman, he was a wonderful rebbe with alot of yiras shomayim ,he instilled alot of yiras shomayim in my boys, he is and he was a very succesful rebbe in all areas ,my boys had tremendous hatsloche in his class much more then any other rebbe, you could ask all his former talmidim and all parents of the talmidim you will hear the same.
if one unfortunate boy is looking for someone to put the blame on he picked the wrong candidate
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:23 PM Anonymous Says:
ONE complaint in 30 years?? doesn't this raise a red flag?
and what is the source? a drop out that was a rotten apple since kindergarten?
COMMON! we're smarter than that, it's totally unfounded and false-rotten from top to bottom.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:25 PM Anonymous Says:
i just don't understand this REBBE became a rebbe in 1987 and now 20 years later as REBBE and MENAHEL he had a access to more then 1000 children and if he is a Child Malester he should have much more complains , that just show the fake portion of the claim,
I'm sure that this REBBE just yelled at him when he didn't want to learn tharfore he is angry at him
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:36 PM Anonymous Says:
mabey there are other victims that dont want to come out and look what they did with Reb Nuchme look what they will dowith Yoli they will paint him as a drug addict i deeply belive this REBBE has other victims
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:42 PM anon Says:
to all those that ask were r the other victims from this rebbe, please read all of the comments and you will see a cple of former students confirming that they were also abused.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:46 PM Zoltan Says:
I know this family these are good people this is nonsence
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:51 PM victim Says:
GOOD!!!! GOOD!!!! I love to see this.......
Joly GO AHED!!!!
BOYS ITS TIME TO COME OUT AND TALK
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Aug 28, 2008 at 06:57 PM thinker Says:
Mrs. Engelman made a passionate plea on Zev Brenners's radio show, begging more victims to come forward. Her rally cry: KW boys, speak up!!. That was more than a month ago, even longer. Why are there no more victims in this lawsuit?? Sharing the spoils of 5 million is tempting to anyone, let alone a molestation victim. Makes one wonder...
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Aug 28, 2008 at 07:01 PM Yochanan Says:
איך בין מקנא ר' אברהם רייכמאנ'ס עולם הבא
סאיז נישט דא וואס מער צי באהאלטען,סאיז א סוד פאר גאנץ בראד
סהאט יעדער מיט געהאלטן די לעצטע פאר חדשים דעם שמוציגען קאמף וואס מען האט אויף דעם טייערן אין איידעלן
יוד א מלמד תשב"ר איבער דרייסיג יאר וואס דער שייגעץ נחום ראזענבערג מיט זיין פירן אן
אין סהאט האלט יעצט מען האט אריינגעגעבן א צווילן אנקלאגע פין 5 מיליאן דאללער
איך וויל דא ארויס ברענגן צוויי פאקטן וואס יעדער ווייסט, אין דער מינוויל אויפן האטליין האט דאס כסדר געטענה'עט
פאקט נימער 1) אז ווען א מלמד פירט זיך נישט אויף איידיל ווייסן דאס אלע קינדער אין חדר
פאקט נימער 2) אז ווען א מלמד טשעפעט קינדער,באגניגעט ער זיך נישט מיט איין קינד פין א שמיטה צי א יובל
נאר יעדס יאר איז דא 2 צי 3 קרבנות
אויף דעם מלמד צי וועלכען תלמוד איך האב גערעדט האט בלויז לויב ווערטער, אן איידעלער יוד א ווארעם הארץ
אין אויסער דעם אינצידענט איז אין גם אחד וואס קומט אפיר מיא א מעשה
ער איז שוין א מלמד 30 יאר אין קיין איינער רעדט זיך נישט אויף אים בהקיץ צי בחלום
אין טאמיר סוואלט ווען געווען אמת וואלט דא געדארפט זיין לכל הפחות 80 מענטשן אין האבן טענות
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Aug 28, 2008 at 07:31 PM victim Says:
Thinker: I KNOW THER IS MORE VICTIMS FROM THIS REBBI......
It tacks a late to talk
KW BOYS COME FORWARD!!!!!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 07:42 PM Faigy Says:
Instead of feeling for this stranger who kept it inside for 30 YEARS! That is a looooooonggggg time to keep pain inside. Where is your compassion other than upvishin drek from so called shiener yid! FECH!
cold hearted fanatics no wonder so many go off off off...I am ashamed that we share the same G-D.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 07:49 PM Someone in the know Says:
How dare you people who know nothing about the Engelman's in general & Yoeli in particular judge them. Do you ignorant people have any idea what Yoeli & his family have been through for the last 4-5 years & especially since this so called choshuva Melamid has been reinstated by this uncaring Moissed? Yoeli is not a drug addict, not a bum & not a mechallel Shabbos he is home every Shabbos with his family, he is a very sad bochur whose life has been destroyed by this melamed. They are trying their best to cope with the terrible consequences of the molestation. Hopefully all you people who are blaming Yoeli will never have to go through something like this with your own children. We are all really ignorant of the terrible damage molestation can do to children & Hashem should help we should never have to learn about it first hand. It is real Shfichas Domim. This Rebbe could not have done more damage if he would have killed Yoeli.
Hashem should send Yoeli & family an emese treist & should send the richtige shaliach to help Yoeli have a complete recovery from this terrible ordeal.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 07:51 PM Gei Mer Says:
.א מלמד 30 יאר? שטותים! ער איז קודם געווען א מנהל הערשט א פאר יאר צוריק איז ער געווארן א מלמד. עס וואונדערט מיך אויך פארוואס. צו ווייל עמיצער
came forward
אדער פשוט ווייל ער האט מחליט געווען אז אזוי האט ער בעסער צוטריט צו די קינדער.
ווילסט רעדן פון פאקטן? פארוואס האט ער
failed the lie dedctor test?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:03 PM Reb Moishe Says:
How can someone know for sure, including the court, if the accusations are true? In theory, anyone with baggage on a Rebbe can come up with a story and put the guy in living hell. However, if this rebbe truly did this, he should be shipped off to Gutanamo Bay for life!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:06 PM Anonymous Says:
we had a rabbi in satmar in monsey that molastet
alot of childran and if you will ask
any body from satmer monsey if he larend over thir in 1980 til 1986 thay will tell you
so come on its very posable
please wake up and lets roll to clean out all the talmid toras
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:14 PM Anonymous Says:
isnt this lashon horah?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:16 PM Anonymous Says:
i dont think so
becose this pepole dont go for help
thay keep doing it so its shuld be a web site whire evry body can put on pictures of this rabis so pepole to brawre of this shkutzim
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:16 PM thinker Says:
I just read the complaint, can you please point out where it says that he failed a lie detector test?? That would be some at least some proof and a stronghold to persuade a judge. So I must assume that the lie detector story is untrue. What else is untrue?? hmm..
victim: Why don't you join the lawsuit as anonymous? Doesn't 2.5 million sound good?? I guess you know the truth.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:17 PM Jacob Green Says:
It is fact that everyone who is involved in community affairs knows,that in the past UTA got rid of several melamdim for minor suspicions of misbehavior.They are very sensitive to these issues and would get them out of the way based on minor actions that could possibly be linked with acts of misbehavior in attempt to nip them in the bud before anything serious can happen. The staff at UTA is also as smart to know that a person who is dressed in ultra chasidic garb can still be SICK and therefore no one is exempt just for being who he is or how he dresses.
The talk is about a melamid who everyone who knows him, (and knows him very well) know that he is a yiras shumayim. This Yirah is contagious in his classroom, as his countless students can testify.
On the other hand, charging him is a boy who declared himself an atheist, who is al pi halacha considered an "apikoros". He is trying to justify his actions by blaming his unsuccessful fate on his melamid. He is a son propelled by his mother who came through on the Dov Hikind radio show as an innnocent mother who is sticking up for her child. But in fact Mrs. Engelman is far from the innocence she portrays. She is known in the community for many years as one of the activists who push woman with seperation issues to fabricate and accuse their husbands with sexual abuse charges. Her mind is full of garbage, she lives in the filth 24/7. She leads these battles and actually follows men on the streets to scream after them with the dirtiest words. There are countless victims who can support what I've mentioned and add much more.
I am sure that story is yet another link in the long chain of her sad history of shmitz and chatzifah.
Mrs. Engelman, u know the truth it would be wise if erev rosh chodosh elul you do teshuvah, there is a cheshbon for every bit of tzar you inflict on innocent victims. Every tear fills up the cup...
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:17 PM CHAIM Says:
i have been molested 3 times by differant rebbes in cheder, first time when i was six years old, i will never forget it, i happen to think that nuchem rosenberg was 100 percent right, he might be a shaigetz but he is still right, i nver told anyone about it. i am a silent victim
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:25 PM Gei Mer Says:
Of course he failed it, what do you need more? The moised themselves are not denying that he failed it.
Don't you worry. If he would have passed the lie dedector test, you can be sure the moised would make sure everybody knew about it.
But THEY KNOW he failed it. It was actually their idea. On the basis of the lie detector test they sent him away.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:25 PM anonymous Says:
We have to keep a delicate balance because there are times when people accuse others just to get back at them..
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:29 PM Anonymous Says:
the lie detector story does not belong in the lawsuit,as it is not 100% evidence,but l'maichash mihu boie.
he should have resigned,right after failing the test.
now,actually he is zoicheh to tshuvas hanmishkal,as a system will be instituted,in the mosdos,to deal with these problems,and stop the pracice,of shoving under the carpet,when something
occurs.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 08:30 PM andy Says:
Jacob Green Says: that in the past UTA got rid of several melamdim
So how many mlamdim מנוולים are in UTA?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 09:00 PM thinker Says:
In the absence of any evidence, the lie detector results would be a good start. Granted the lie detector is not 100% failproof, why was it not at least mentioned? That would've given them a real head start with the judge. When going to court you put all your cards out, you don't pick and choose, especially if you don't have any more compelling or convincing evidence.
They didn't put it in because it would quickly be verified that it never happened.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 09:10 PM Anonymous Says:
i was a child in satmar, i was abused. thus melamid did abuse kids. i dont have the guts to speak out since i have a family, kol hakovod for speaking out!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 09:34 PM Anonymous Says:
If Mondrowitz was brought back to face charges after 20 years doesn't that mean there isn't a statute of limitations in these cases? Can an attorney please explain?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 09:44 PM open your eyes Says:
common ¢ Says:
in lubavitsh u never hear of such stories
If people like u would have opened their eyes and stop living some fantasy, Cheder Menachem in Los Angeles wouldn't have had to deal with child molestation that wound up costing over $500,000. B"H the minute the admin found out about the molestation, the teacher (Motti Yomtov) was immediately removed from the classroom and the school spent $$$$$$ for psychologists to help the kids work it out. Of course, before he came to LA, he was teaching in NY and that school hushed everything up. Cheder Menachem had to clean up NY's mess and "men darf nisht reden, nisht bar unz" mentality.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 09:52 PM Dave Says:
Uhmm, "Thinker", Lie Detector tests are not admissible in court. That's why they wouldn't be in a law suit.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 09:54 PM Bernard Says:
What is the most unnerving to my fairly naive mind is how the schools shield these monsters? How does keeping such people on the payroll serves Torah and G-D?
aCTING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES OR THEIR INSTITUTIONS JUST UNDERMINES THEIR COLLECTIVE CREDIBILITY. SHAME ON THEM
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Aug 28, 2008 at 09:56 PM Been there Says:
Does anyone have info on a 1st grade Rebbe in Monsey YSV who molested children? Library Lover commented in the past having information. We are trying to locate more victims.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:09 PM berl Says:
all this is very sad i myself was molested almost 50 years ago ny our trusted shoihet it happened in the mikvah its the tottal destruction of a childs soul and no one seems to want to do anything about it except dov hikind
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:11 PM moshe Says:
thinker
are you implying there are no such stories occurring?
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18 PM Mordy Neuman Says:
Dreidel, you are the only “opposing” commentator on this forum that I respect. At least you acknowledge that the problem exists. The others ignorantly shut their eyes and scream that they see no fire. Regardless of what side you pick on THIS incident, the fact remains that many, many, way too many sweet innocent boys and girls in our community are repeatedly molested by people they look up to—namely, moral figures and family members. This is a fact that has been proved in many cases with DNA and/or surveillance. So blindly screaming that the problem does not exist is utter foolishness and makes you look like Wahabi radicals who deny the holocaust ever took place. This is our holocaust today!
Having established the existence of the problem, I wish to reiterate what others have expressed above that indeed this is a sickness that is not exactly identified with a personal medical tag (like diabetic patients wear); people who suffer from this are extremely secretive and discreet about it. And unfortunately this plague does not avoid the otherwise moral figures in the community. In other words (if you haven’t figured it out by now): the “sheine yid in shul“ or the “sincerely nice and quiet neighbor” may indeed have serious psychotic issues and without help will result in others getting hurt. Learn from history and from the multitudes of well documented cases.
And finally, this is the alleged story with this Engelman: The parents approached the teacher and quietly asked him to leave his position so that other kids don’t get hurt. When he refused and made a tumult some askunim got involved and hired a private investigation firm who conducted a polygraph test on the teacher (Reichman). He failed the lie detector test miserably. At that point the teacher was forced out of his position from the school. At a later time when the family discovered that the teacher was still at his position at the school and inquired how come that is the case, the Yeshivah (Satmer) basically said: Haha, the statute of limitation has just expired. (You can listen to Mrs. Engelman giving this story to Dov Hikind http://www.vosizneias.com/18867/2008/08/04/brooklyn-ny-dov-hikind-puts-yeshivas-on-notice-with-harsh-warning-i-am-going-to-publicly-shame-you-if-you-harbor-rebbe-molesters/)
Now, this story either happened or did not happen, but it is not a “he said/she said” situation. It is very verifiable because the polygraph test results either exist or do not. Joel has been consistent in his story since he was 14 to those around him or they can attest that they never heard him say that before. There are psychiatrists whom he has seen for years, and documents to support it, or no documents exist. There are askunim who dealt with this is the past and can attest to that (one apparently included his comment above) or they do not exist. There are other boys who came forward saying they were molested as well by this teacher, or they do not exist. I don’t see how people can say that this is all made up when there is evidence on the table. When disputing if a house burnt down or not all you got to do is drive by and see for yourself if there is a house or ashes. Now, since I did not examine the evidence myself, I need to follow my intuition: If caring parents, askunim, psychiatrists, investigators, and Dov Hikind ran with the case, I find it hard to believe that it was all the pigment of some punk’s imagination. (You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of people some of time, but you can't fool all of the people all of time) And if you do believe that it was all made up than you are obligated to bite your tongue until after you examine the evidence and decide that it’s all a hype.
So, to Anonymous “08-28-2008 - 3:52 PM” I want to say the following: a) you are contradicting yourself by saying “i understand that its bothering you what happened to your son” while you are saying “but you know very well @ the bottom of your heart that its not true” and b) if you claim to know the Engelman’s so well why not approach them and ask for them to disclose with you some pieces of evidence? Or is your comment “you know very well @ the bottom of your heart that its not true” really a secret code as saying: “If you know what’s good for you say that nothing happened”? because if that’s what you’re implying that you can run back into the same spider hole Sadam came out from because those days are over, my friend.
A few years ago I wrote an article on a similar controversial topic and one lady very harshly criticized me for “making up these stories.” The following was my response to her and this is what I will leave all of you holocaust deniers with:
“Saying that you have more experience than the author and then saying that what he is saying is pure bluff, is a fair contradiction. You obviously don’t have your share of experience if you don’t believe my words.
Innocence is a good thing for those who are not subjected to suffer from it. I sincerely hope that those around you will not suffer from your ignorance.
That hopefully being the case, I may wish to encourage you to stay innocent, there is nothing like a pure heart, but just like you’ll get your hands bloody in order to save someone’s life, sometimes you must look at the other side to know how to handle it when it hits you in the face.“
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Aug 28, 2008 at 10:20 PM a concerned mother Says:
I have posted this before but I will say it again: PLEASE, parents, talk to your children. Tell them that certain parts of their body are private and no one may touch them. Tell your children that they can always come and talk to you if anyone makes them uncomfortable in any way. WE as parents must educate our children so that we can keep them safe! May G-d protect us all!
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:07 PM EINYID Says:
The stench of the Moised's henchmen in this chatroom is unbearable.
The Engelman family was warned:
"UTA is stronger then you, They have more money then you, They will destroy your name, and you will only leave this fight bloodied"
It is very obvious that we are beginning to see this happening right before our very eyes.
But Yoily is determined to follow thru on this. He is determined not to let a child molester back to a classroom of future victims.
And all you henchmen out there:
I hope your child comes home one day with a changed l'evish, and notifies you that he has joined a heavy metal band, and after four years of pure hell you find out thru therapy that your child was a victim of a very chusheve yid that is being protected by a very powerful moised, and its henchmen like you.
Goebbels would have been proud of you
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:40 PM Shaul Boruch Says:
In all seriousness, how can any frum person deny a) that there is a significant problem of molestation in the yeshiva system in general, and b) deny the due process rights of any person who comes forward as a victim regardless of that person's current religious status.
I mean these are our children we are talking about. No community can, with any expectation of sincerity, claim the moral high ground as the Torah would have us do, while we fail to protect and defend those among us who are vulnerable, and in particular our children.
It is mind boggling how the yeshivas fail to remove an alleged predator pending investigation time and time again. I have no doubt that legislation will ultimately be passed removing private scool administrations from the equation. It will take the goyim to legislate how yeshivas deal with this issue - thats how low the greste gedoilim we're orphaned with have sunk.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:49 PM v j Says:
I know this guy for years, he is a really choshiver yid and he is nabach not shildig that a hafkerdiger deprester bocher got a taste to make mega money and is taking him on a ride. the satmar rabbi is his yurtzit will stay to his rights hands and in the tzchus from tashbar he will survive all this rashoim.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:53 PM Parent of Young Kids Says:
I am very proud that VIN posted this story.
It is taking way too long for the Jewish / Heimish world to come to terms with the real issues we are facing.
We have rabbis busy screaming to "get the bums off the streets" and to "throw troubled kids to boot camps" etc.
What about dealing with the REAL issues, and trying to find ways to protect ourselves. Have we sunk so low? The rug is full, and there in no room to sweep anything under it anymore.
I URGE ANY AND ALL VICTIMS OF ABUSE TO COME OUT AND MAKE A STANCE! I know it will be hard, but until the victims come out, and we start putting these animals away, this will continue. There is no din of Lashon Hora for these chayos, I don't care what the corrupt rabbis say. We need to warn the world, and the only way to do this is to expose these people.
As a parent, I am already scared, and my children are young.
We live in crazy times, and we need to fight back.
EXPOSE THESE ANIMALS, ON THE NET AND IN COURT! DESTROY THEM, AND IF YOU ARE UPSET THAT IT HURTS THEIR FAMILIES, WHO CARES, MAYBE IF PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THIS WILL EFFECT OTHER PEOPLE THEY LOVE, PERHAPS THEY WILL STOP, IF EXPOSING EVEN SAVES ONE VICTIM, IT WAS WORTH IT, THIS IS RETZICHA, AND THE GEMARA SAYS, "HE WHO SAVES ONE LIFE, IS AS IF HE SAVED THE WORLD", LET'S DO IT, ONE AT A TIME.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:55 PM qwerty Says:
I personaly know someone that is still so mad at his elementary teacher, he told me, "if I'd see him on the street I would punch him in the face" I asked him why? Reason: "he always picked at me"...my point, this same guy would be capable of fabricating a story like this.
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Aug 28, 2008 at 11:56 PM js Says:
there are lots of satmar talmidim friends of mine how were malested by malamdim years ago between us we discussing it ,but its to much going in our life like family , business, to sacrifices our future to get out and correct old ....... rather go and look for the future, I don't say don't do anything, u gat to punish all off them for there wrong doings , but u personal tont gain of it keep going and the rest will take care of it self .
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:
Go ask your parents, they should have tought you what molestation is.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:07 AM yoshi Says:
I would rather see that man (and others like him) behind bars, and added to the sexual predator registry, then get his dirty money.
Anyone who is defending this man, is either in denial or completely ignorant.
When something terrible like this happens to a child, (by someone who is supposed to protect them and be a role model) they are haunted with this abuse for the rest of their life. Most of these children never tell anyone what happened to them, they are ashamed, embarrassed, and afraid no one will believe them. They have emotional problems to deal with FOREVER!
So for anyone who is defending this TERRIBLE person, because they happen to be Jewish, or a Rabbi, Let us see how you would think of this person if they abused you, or if they God forbid, abuse your little boy or girl.
There is no amount of money to make up for this. I pray that this individual, (and other's out there, who were abused like him) is able to recover and lead a normal life, and have this HORRIBLE incident erased from their memories.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM Anonymous Says:
To the one who wants a lawyer to explain how the statute of limitations ran out of this case and Mondrowitz was brought back after more than 20 yrs.
Mondrowitz escaped before they were able to arrest him and bring him to trial. Therefore, the statute of limitations are not applicable. Its as if its starting now...
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM Anonymous Says:
Men are driven by their testosterone level. Sometimes the level goes up and sometimes the level goes down. There are times that an outside influence can shift the levels. For that reason Chachumeini zichronom levruchu haban gemacht gedurim lekdishe. Men working with female secretaries might be prone to a rise in their level. Rabeim as well working with kids can get a height in their level, which is human. A rebbi feeling that should be aware of the situation and somehow not teach that child that causes his testosterone level to go up. Just like the therapist that feels countertransference must refer to another therapist a rebbe feeling that a particular student has an effect on his level he should refer out.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:23 AM Anonymous Says:
Those of you who wonder why there arent more victims coming forward, from all these naive comments you have some of your answers. The victim of sexual abuse can not be compared to any other type of abuse. This damages a person for life! When someone does overcome it and takes the courage to come forward, look at the reaction of the people! Everyone is going to take the family apart.. ruin them.. say he is crazy, on drugs.. and will do whatever it takes to shut the victim up. Dont think victims do it out of the revenge. They simply can not go on in life knowing that the abuser is still aroung children. They cant have menucha. I dont understand for what normal reason the institutions and the rest of you feel the need to protect the abusers? WHY? Do you think Hashem is with you at this?! The Shechina is crying!!!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:28 AM Anonymous Says:
I have some news to all naive people that are in denial. We are discussing so far the melamdim, menhalim, etc. Wait till the news will get to the parents that sexual abuse... As long as you deny it and fight it, it will only get uglier.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:45 AM mark Says:
there is 4 sure something more 2 the story!!!
and even not y do u have 2 publicized you're garbage what u have privately with some1!!!
bottem line its loshon hora!!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:02 AM Tough world we live in Says:
I know the Engelman family and can say the best things about them and Im sure they will come through this ordeal with dignity.. so heres my little shout-out: My support and thoughts are with you. Stay strong in your convictions! Dont be bullied by corrupt bureaucracies! Stand up for the truth and for whats right!
May Hashem guide us all through life's challenges - the Engelmans, Reichmans, and all of Klal Yisroel.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:02 AM Anonymous Says:
Where does loshon hora come in to this? The community needs to know to protect themselves from him and he needs to be stopped. He is a rodef. This is not a minor dispute between two private people. It involves us all and our children.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:23 AM yoshi Says:
I love how some people here are are claiming that this article is all about "Loshon Harah."
It's people with that mentality, who say to individuals who come to them for help in situations such as these, and tell them either, it never happened, or they should keep their mouths shut because it will bring embarrassment to the rabbi and to the yeshiva, or they tell this poor desperate child that THEY did something to make that happen to them.
This is not a case of Loshon Harah. Someone who engages in such disgraceful & disgusting acts are rashaim, and don't deserve such leniency from the Jewish people or from anyone else for that matter.
The people who support these criminals sicken me. You are also giving the impression to other's that you condone such acts, or maybe you are guilty of these crimes as well. Hmm...
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:26 AM Anonymous Says:
אפיציעל בין איך מיט majyar718 אז ס'קומט נישט אויפן פארק, ווייל דאס אז מ'רעדט דערפון אין די גאסן, איז ליידער גענוג ווייטאג, פארוואס פארשפרייטן מער, סיי נאך מענטשן ווערן געוואויער, און סיי, ווייל אזוי גייט עס אריין אין די היסטאריע, קענסט עס מער נישט אויסמעקן, מענטשן שטארבן אמאל נאך, און מ'זוכט נישט אזוי ווייט איבערצוגעבן פאר די דורות, אלע הוצאת לעז [חוץ געציילטע אידן וואס האבן א מבצע דערין] אבער א געשריבענע זאך, איז היסטאריע פאר אלע דורות העתידים, לעולמי עד, וויפיל יאר ס'איז נאך געבליבן ביז משיח, און למה?
אבער אז ס'איז שוין געשריבן געווארן קען איך נישט מער ווי זאגן, ארגינעלער, דיין הארץ געשריי איז דאס הארץ געשריי פון יעדן ערליכן אידיש קינד, וואס האט געהערט די מעשה, און קוקט זיך נעבעך צו ווי א ספעציעל טייערער און חשוב'ער איד ווערט אזוי מיאוס געפייניגט על לא דבר, אויב דער איד האט געהאט עפעס עבירות אויף די וועלט, איז ער שוין אפגעקומען מיליאן מאל, און אזוי ווי דו זאגסט ארגינעלער... איך בין מקנא זיין עולם הבא, איך בין מקנא זיינע דורות, וואסערע זכותים דער איד האט זיך קונה געווען אויף אזא ביטערן אופן, אשרי מי שחושדין אותו ואין בו, מ'האט שוין געהערט אין די אידישע היסטאריע, אויף אסאך גרויסע מענטשן וואס מ'האט זיי חושד געווען אויף דאס ארגסטע, אזוי ווי משה רבינו באשת איש.
איך פערזענליך האב געלערנט ביי דעם חשוב'ן איד, אויסער תורה און יראת שמים האב איך ביי אים גארנישט געזען, איך בין געווען גענוג נאענט צו אים, אסאך מאל געווען אין מנהל'ס אפיס, מער ווי סתם קינדער, און אויסער אידישקייט, הלכות, און א ווארים חסידיש הארץ, איז נישט געווען וואס צו טרעפן ביי אים, זיינע אלע דרשות איז געווען פול מיט אמת'ע ברענעדיגע יראת שמים, דאס איידלקייט און ערנסטקייט זיין האט אראפגעשיינט און אראפגעשפיגלט אויף יעדן.
און יא, איך בין אויך געווארן ארומגענומען מיט זיינע ליבליכע הענט מער ווי איין מאל, איך האלט דאס פאר א זכי', אז א מלמד מיט אידישע קינדער, א מנהל רוחני אויף זייער חינוך, איז געטריי און הארציג צו זיינע תלמידים, און גיבט זיך אפ מיט זיי ווי אייגענע קינדער,] אפשר דארף איך אים טאקע סוען דערפאר? הא? ס'איז גאנץ מעגליך, אז דער טפה סרוחה דער גוי גמור... האט מרוב טפשותו.. ניטאמאל געכאפט אז דער איד דער צדיק, פרובירט אים פשוט צו מקרב זיין און האלטן ביי אידישקייט, אנשטאט האט דער בועט ברבותיו, עפעס אנדערש נישט געקענט דערטראכטן, ]
איך וואלט עס טאקע פאר קיין שום איד געוואונטשן, אבער השתא דאתית להכי, אשריך ר' אברהם וטוב לך בעולם הבא.
(איך האלט נאך אלץ, אז אזא אשכול, גיבט נישט צו כבוד, נאר פארקערט.)
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:33 AM yoshi Says:
Just some helpful information for parents such as myself:
Here is a link of Registered Sexual Offenders in your area you should be made aware of for the safety of our children:
http://www.nsopr.gov/
Just type in your city and state.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:52 AM Duvid Alter Says:
As somebody who is informed about this ongoing case it breaks my heart for the parties concerned.
There is no doubt that Yoily Engelman was molested by this rebbe many years ago. To deny that truth is to thrust another knife in the victim's back.
As anybody familiar with the workings of schools and camps knows, there are unfortunately the rare times that pedophiles have successfully infiltrated under the guise of aidelkeit, erlichkeit etc.
UTA, as well as other moisdos - with the help of knowledgeable askanim (like David Mandel of Ohel)- have, upon discovering some of these perverts in their midst, instigated them to leave under other pretexts, thus protecting all the innocent involved (including the perpetrators' families.)
As Mrs. Engelman detailed in her interview on Dov Hikind's show, her son revealed the truth to her when he was almost 20 years old, having kept this a secret all the years. She also told of not realizing the magnitude of Yoily's trauma for the next two years.
During all this time, UTA (with new and divided hanhalas) was unaware of this rebbe's transgressions since nobody had ever come forward.
Even now that the story is out for several months, not one other parent has come forward, even in secret.
Despite that, nobody at UTA denied the veracity of the complaint, and they were very pleased that Reichman did not return after Pesach (following the Engelmans' private letter to him, and after having failed the polygraph test.)
The assumption was that another ugly situation was successfully resolved.
Where I have a problem with this lawsuit is that Yoily is lumping Reichman's summer job in Lapidus with UTA and faulting them.
UTA was not even aware that he was hired independently by Lapidus since he was paid by the bungalow colony itself.
The zeman hasn't started yet in W'msbg, where Reichman wasn't even scheduled to return, so why the lawsuit?
Mrs. Engelman had asserted that if her family were reassured that the rebbe would no longer be in the yeshiva they would be satisfied and keep things under wraps. So why jump the gun?
I have no sympathy for Reichman himself because he was given the opportunity to walk away with his (and his large family's) name intact. Look what he has brought on to the innocent around him.
What was he thinking? Is he in such denial?
The bottom line is:
1- WARN YOUR CHILDREN - BOYS AND GIRLS - THAT NOBODY, INCLUDING FAMILY MEMBERS, IS PERMITTED TO TOUCH THEM WHERE THEY ARE COVERED BY THEIR UNDERWEAR.
2- TELL THEM THAT IF ANYBODY SO MUCH AS TRIES TO TOUCH THEM TO ALWAYS COME TO YOU, NO MATTER WHAT THE MOLESTER SAYS OR THREATENS.
3- ASSURE THEM THAT YOU WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE THEM AND PROTECT THEM. (How many parents have compounded the trauma by questioning or accusing the child of fabrications?)
4- FOLLOW UP BY CONTACTING THE AUTHORITIES IN CHARGE AND DON'T LET UP UNTIL THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE.
THE ERA OF SWEEPING THINGS UNDER THE RUG ARE LONG OVER.
HASHEM YERACHEM!!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:56 AM Yossie Says:
Of course an abused child suffers tremendously for life and we must stick up for them. Of course this story is tragic and terrible; BUT ONLY if it's TRUE!!!
The Beis Hamikdosh was destroyed because people said with their mouths what they didn't see(Eichu).
People, don't jump to conclusions without knowing the facts. You cannot be mekabel loshon hora without having proof.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 02:15 AM Anonymous Says:
You are so worried for his children?! He should have thought about it before! What about Nuchem Rosenberg's children?! They are not human?!?! Nobody cared about them! And he was talking and these abusers are doing the act!!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 02:20 AM Jacob Green Says:
Andy, you didn't read right. I wasn't mentioning melamdim menivulim in UTA. I was only explaining that UTA has been proven to be very sensitive with these issues. If they become aware of any information that some people can imply as unusual or inappropriate, even if it's nothing, they will be over precautious. We can be sure if they would have any suspicions on him they would get rid of him. They have no benefit of harboring a dangerous man. Just because one apikoros wants to get back at at melamed that was too strict with him, doesn't make this allegation fact.
I'm not trying to stick up for UTA, I don't send my kids to their mosod, nor daven in their shuls.
In reference to Mordy N. I don't see the fire burning nor the ashes remaining. What evidence are you refering to? The lie detector test?
It is 2008! It is well aware that the lie detector can detect an increased heart rate due to extreme nervousness and tension during the test. Furthermore, any brave or wise individual may he be guilty, can easily pass a lie detector test. Whereas an innocent person of weaker character may fail the test due to tension. That is why a lie detector test is not considered evidence in court.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 05:03 AM yosi Says:
as someone who knows yoel nechemia very well there's no doubt that this reichman rabbi is guilty and we will all see the legal system prove it
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Aug 29, 2008 at 08:06 AM Been there Says:
Mark 245
You are a Shoiteh sh'bshoitim with your post.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 08:42 AM R.W Says:
You may know him for years, he may be the chushivsta guy, how on earth can you state a statment saying he is nebach not shildig? do you know what went on in his classroom all these years he was around kids, i dont know, neither do you, so why are you bashing the kid that came forward? honostly i dont know anyone in this case, but it sounds pretty reasonable with the letter they sent him to stay away from kids, he should have done something about it then.
I hope hashem gives strenght to both parties in this case, to overcome this.
hatzlocha
v j Says:
I know this guy for years, he is a really choshiver yid and he is nabach not shildig that a hafkerdiger deprester bocher got a taste to make mega money and is taking him on a ride. the satmar rabbi is his yurtzit will stay to his rights hands and in the tzchus from tashbar he will survive all this rashoim.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 09:01 AM anon Says:
Been there Says:
comments - arrow Does anyone have info on a 1st grade Rebbe in Monsey YSV who molested children? Library Lover commented in the past having information. We are trying to locate more victims.
Did he teach other places after that?
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Aug 29, 2008 at 09:12 AM outraged Says:
Parent of young children,
You are the most reckless adult to post thus far. YOU CANT DESTROY PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE ACCUSED!!! REMEMBER YOURE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!! You wouldn't like it if YOU were destroyed because of a false accusation.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:07 AM Yochonon Says:
To Outraged,
It's true that "people considered innocent until proven guilty" but you are kidding yourself because you don't really believe what you are saying.
The Litmus Test if you really believe what you are saying is if you would NOW let this "accused pedophile" to be the baby sitter of YOUR OWN 8 year old child, unsupervised.
Do you really trust him NOW with your own child ALL ALONE???????
I don't think any sane parent would take the CHANCE even Al Hasofek. But UTA had no problem taking their chances with him on YOUR children's cheshbon.
I don't think any parent of an 8 year old would leave their own child with this "choshuve yid", in a room, all alone, even though it has not been "proven" in a court of law, yet.
So all the "defenders" of this choshuva yid, I ask you:
WHO'M ARE YOU KIDDING??????
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM Anonymous Says:
i know this Rebbe in monsey peaple here are refering here and he is correct this Rebbe in monsey has moleesetd hundreds of children they only took him out of yeshiva after 20 years even everybody knew there is a problem the hannalh said you cant do it to a chsiva yid you will embaress his family but this is real
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:18 AM objective Says:
why are we all making judgments one way or the other. just because someone makes an accusation does not mean it's true. and just because someone looks like a choshiver frumer yid does not mean that this is truly the case. (shevach meats in monsey- case in point) why don't we wait for the evidence to present itself and then we can pounce. on whichever one we choose.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:30 AM issues Says:
Reading thru this lengthy comments section following are my comments:
A) Nothing here is fact, its hearsay and accusations and sometimes facrication to be provocative to fuel more comments.
B) This case is a lawsuit not a criminal trial.
C) In our judicial system everyone is innoocent until proven guitly.
D) If reputation counts for anything (until something is proven to destroy it), on one hand you have a teacher with 20 plus years experience, who over those years has had more than 700 students, many of whom vouch for his yiras shamayim.
On the other hand there is ONE off the derech dropout who needs to be defended that he is not a drug addict, mechalel shabbos and apikores!
E) Even if the lawsuit is won. This guy is a career teacher, there won't be much to collect from him.
F) To the credit of Satmar they did suspend him back in April and they did an investigation and put him thru a lie detector test. It seems that they were taking the proper action thus their decision to rehire him to be a teacher for the summer was based on their findings. otherwise why did they bother with the lie detector test etc.
F) Satmar is guilty for the terrible spelling, grammar and English that is being presented by its students in this comment section. Even those who try to disguise themselves with big words and spell-check use bad grammar.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:
As a close relative of the defendant I am still in shock and still doubt if it’s true. Reichman is a very nice person and a very “erliche yid”. If this is indeed true than I can’t understand why the Talmud torah would protect him up to this point. Maybe have they investigated the matter and found little or no evidence.
I wonder how the plaintiff will present evidence to the court to support his claim.
And “PLEASE” remember that we must give the benefit of the doubt. Its an obligation for every yid as the Mishne says in Ovus
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:47 AM bird in sky Says:
I think that the biggest problem is that our kids do not know anything about this subject. Yet I am hesitant to 'teach' my child things that can cause more harm than good.
Many kids carry these stories with them till they get married (or oifgeklert) and they realize that it was not right.But by then, they don't want to re open old wounds.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 10:51 AM anonymous Says:
A lot of the comments reflect the lack of knowledge that the heimishe oilam has about the effects of abuse. Since we were raised in a sheltered environment, we had no way of being sure what is right and what is wrong.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 11:06 AM Anonymous Says:
Wouldn't it be great if there could be a means by
which through a hired (nisht fun unzere) professional all the (alleged) victims from this Rebbe could come forward and state their experiences and remain anonymous (so they don't need to be further traumatised & the stigma etc)- this way we could have a tally of how many victims there were. If Yoily was the only one then this is probably a made up story but if as I suspect many others come forward then it is unfortunately probably true. "Uviarto Harah Mikirbecho" It is shameful for the Moisad if this is true and I'm sure they are petrified by the potential liability but it is much worse and more shameful to try to cover it up and intimidate those coming forward - the best approach is to cooperate fully with any investigation and show a zero tolerance regarding this issue. You come out
looking much better regardless of the outcome.
(I know it's not always as simple as it sounds and it's easy to pontificate anonymously without
knowing even a fraction of all the facts but today the rules have changed and everything is out in the open)
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Aug 29, 2008 at 11:08 AM sam Says:
yoely where is your father now and where was he 15 years ago?
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Aug 29, 2008 at 11:32 AM anonymous Says:
To those that worry about the Loshon Horo there are Teshuvos from:
Harav Zvi Gertner, Mechon Yeshurun
Harav S.Y. Elyashiv, Yerushalaim
Harav Shrage Feivel Kohen
Harav Moshe Halbershtam, Bedatz Weiss
Harav Asher Zelig Weiss, Minchas Asher Yerushlaim
Harav Yehuda Silman, Ramat Elchanan Benei Berak
That not only are you allowed to turn over a molester to the authorities but there is a CHIYUV - OBLIGATION- TO TURN A MOLESTER IN TO THE AUTHORITIES... Are these names DAAS TORAH enough for you..? Or do you want those that cover up these events to give their haskama as well.....
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Aug 29, 2008 at 11:44 AM PUPENER NAR Says:
I think we should wait and see what the out come of court will be before we jump to destroy the Rebbys life. However what we do see for sure is that there is no one bringing up the fact that this problem (law suit) has not been brought to Din Torah, and the reason is obvious.
PS: The PUPA NAR is gornisht aza nar.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 11:53 AM Gei Mer Says:
To Duvid Alter,
Good post!
Re: "Where I have a problem with this lawsuit is that Yoily is lumping Reichman's summer job in Lapidus with UTA and faulting them.
UTA was not even aware that he was hired independently by Lapidus since he was paid by the bungalow colony itself."
I'll have you know that UTA and Lapidus Bungalow Colony IS one and the same. To pay for your bungalow in Lapidus you have to go to UTA at 82 Lee Ave. Same goes to getting paid it, all comes from 82.
Besides for which, Lapidus, as well as the 3 Dayunim residing there, and the manager and everyone in charge there, each one of them were warned repeatedly, each one of them recieved a letter stating that its in their hands to prevent this big chilil hashem from happening. But unfortunately they all buried their heads in the sand waiting for "somebody else" to take care of the problem.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:04 PM Yochonon Says:
To pupener nar
If their Rebbe's don't go to Din Torah's, why should their Chassidim?
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:04 PM PUPENER NAR Says:
In response to Phd,
We in the Chasidshe community are guilty for the lack of education that we teach our kinderlach. Chazal teach us "Im lo melamdo imnus melamdo listous". The so called education that we give in the Chadurim is a shame and a sham, neither the Satmer Rebby non the Pupa Rebby care abut the well being of their Chasidum or their kids,but rather on lining their pockets with money. The fish shtink fun kup. I would suggest that there should be a system of checks and balances with a vad who should over look on these Rabonim so they dont have a final word on our failed system, and we should leave the Kevitlach and the tailing of the shrayim for the Rabonim.Not the chinuch of our children.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:25 PM Frye and Proud Says:
As a child of frum parents and the victim of molestation in a Brooklyn yeshiva, I am sure that Yoel is telling the truth, and I'm also sure that the beards and payis can fool most of you idiots but it won't fool me. And I proudly drive on shabbos with my cheeseburger because the phony pig rabbi who represented Torah to me as a vulnerable child is more treif than any cheeseburger. If you think for one second that because some rabbi with a beard is god fearing just because he knows his way around a gemara, then you are a moron. Someone who can talk Torah and then drag a seven year old boy into his office and make him sit on his lap with his pants down, and then choke him with his member until that little boy is gagging and crying, and not stop until he is finished, and then threaten the child with every punishment if he says a word, that is no jew, that is a hitler.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:26 PM logic Says:
This is a case of he said and he said. These cases are very hard to prove in court since this type of activity usually occurs in secrecy. Also, the time factor is another issue that usually favors defendants since there is a statue of limitations on most cases except for murder. I think the reason it was only brought now against this rebbe after so many years of the alleged occurences, is to make people aware that such activity does happen and that people in the heimishe communities should be made aware and act accordingly. I don't believe in din torahs since they can be corrupted and can be swayed with money and other influences without any consequences unlike the goyishe courts. I should also mention that I myself was molested as a child not by a rebbe but by an older bucher when I was about 8 years old in Yeshiva. So, those who say that molestation by heimishe chevra does not and cannot occur are only fooling themselves. These people are trying to live a faily tale life of alles is kusher veyusher as long as it does not happen to them. The facts are we are all busor v'dom and have the same taivos like everyone else. Some of us have better control than others, but for those who do not, we must do everything possible to protect our kinderlach and others from these dispicable predators. I want to also add that I don't think my being molested had any lasting effects, but who knows? Some people can deal with this better than others. Who are we to say, "...get over it and move on with your life..."? Some people are psycholigically fragile and when this happens to them, they completely fall apart and are usually scarred for life.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:49 PM Shiya Says:
Again, I don't know why people need to say thinks look at Engle man and look at reb avrom and see the different your self
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Aug 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:
in the lawsuit paragraph 18,it alleges,that there were multiple credible complaints,made agaisnt the defendant,besides the accuser,which the school administration,knowingly ignored.
this apparently means that there were others,that will probably come forward.
my advise to reichman, settle now,it is not to late.
resign,and make up with the engelmans.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:
To Frye and Proud;
No matter what happened to you as a child, and even if the story you are saying is 100% true, in which case the Rebbe is a Rasha Gomur without any hesitation, you still have no right whatsoever to drive on Shabbos and eat a treif cheeseburger.
You will have to join this Rebbe of yours and stick together with him in hell.
Who knows what he will do to you there? R'Shuim Afilu Al Pishco Shel Gehinum Einum Chozrin Bitshuva!
Ever thought of that?!
Hey, You never know!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:09 PM logic Says:
to frey and proud 8/29/08 @ 12:25
If this really happened to you, my heart goes out to you and hope you will someday recover from this. I was also molested but not in the way you describe it. If, however, this has never happened the way you say it did, I only hope you will one day see the light and also recover from what is that ales you. A big refuah shelaimo.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:18 PM PUPENER NAR Says:
Yochenen,
I see you did not get the point. What I brought out is that nobody is concerned about the fact that this did no go to bes din. "Oh vey to our dor of naronin"
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:23 PM PUPENER NAR Says:
Frayeh and proud?
I dont see why you are so proud of your chillul shabbos, do you see your self as an accomplished person by doing chillul shabbos? The truth is that you are not worth answering to. I bet you are a loser in whatever you are doing. And you are just a bitter person.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:34 PM Chuchem Ma Hi Oimer Says:
To PUPA NAR, you are indeed living up to your name: Di bist a groise nar.
Din Torah? What are you talking about? Who sits at Din Torah if not the same rabunim who hushed the whole issue to begin with? Besides, if the satmer rebbe tells his chasidim that there is no hope in Din Torah they will take his advice. Duh!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:46 PM Anonymous Says:
Yu Yu! A 'Naar' zugt oich amool a git vort!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 01:49 PM Been there Says:
# Anonymous Says:
comments - arrow i know this Rebbe in monsey peaple here are refering here and he is correct this Rebbe in monsey has moleesetd hundreds of children they only took him out of yeshiva after 20 years even everybody knew there is a problem the hannalh said you cant do it to a chsiva yid you will embaress his family but this is real
08-29-2008 - 10:15 AM
Anon if this post is referring to the 1st grade YSV Rebbe please call Dov Hikind's office with any info you have. Talk to Eli. 718-853-9616
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Aug 29, 2008 at 02:16 PM Kiruv Says:
Dear Frye and Proud, I implore you and every victim reading this, PLEASE, report your experience to the secular authorities (if you haven't already done so). Create a paper trail to document the perpetrator's crimes. It will help law enforcement.
Besides, your voice was taken from you as a child. Take it back. No more silence. No more.
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Call the Victim Services Unit (VSU) at (718) 250-3820. The Kings County District Attorney’s Office recognizes that being a victim of, or witness to, a crime can be a traumatic and confusing experience, and we will do everything we can to help you. We are committed to getting you the information and assistance you need. Trained counselors and advocates are available to meet with you and your family in a warm, safe environment located conveniently inside the District Attorney’s Office at 350 Jay Street in downtown Brooklyn. The Victim Services Unit provides safety, support, advocacy and information to all individuals who have been criminally victimized in Brooklyn. (~ Victim Services Unit website)
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If you were abused in a different jurisdiction, please list it on this thread, and I will research a contact number for you. Thank you.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 02:24 PM Anonymous Says:
It looks to me that "Setting the record straight", "Someone in the know", and probably "Frye and proud" are all the same person or family.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:
I cannot understand. How can people have such "rishous" (wickedness) and convict a person based on "hearsay". Think about yourself, wouldn't you want to be considered innocent until proven guilty? If that doesn't apeal to you, then think of what you're going to do when his namer will be cleared; will you ask for forgiveness? Should he forgive you??? I'm not a Satmar'er and don't know this person, but based on everything I heard I consider this man innocent; shoudn't you?
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Aug 29, 2008 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:
I don't know this rebbe, but I do know this troubled kid, even if he would've frame this story on a bum I wouldn't believe a word of it, he is unstable and not trustworthy for a nickel..
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Aug 29, 2008 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:
For the record: All my children have learned in Satmar and I'm neutral in the current machlokas, and I would like to state for the record, that never ever did any one of my children complain that a Melamed touched him inappropriately, and I grilled them on that.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 03:04 PM Kiruv Says:
Anonymous@2:51 Says: "I would like to state for the record..."
Hmmm. It's not "for the record" if you're anonymous on an Internet bulletin board. ;-)
Anonymous@2:51 Says: "...never ever did any one of my children complain that a Melamed touched him inappropriately, and I grilled them on that."
Nobody is claiming that every single child was sexually abused in Satmar. Nonetheless, good on you for speaking openly with your children on the subject.
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Aug 29, 2008 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:
And so is everybody here anonymous. I grilled them on the subject, means that I asked them if someone touched them "dorten vi men darf nisht", but chas Ve'sholom wouldn't talk openly with my children about "that" subject. If it ain't broke, why fix it. Och in veigh if I should need to talk to them openly. Nobody spoke openly to me, and it didn't "shott" me. If a wagon is rolling downhill, you stop it every way you can, but not if it's stable!!
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Aug 29, 2008 at 04:52 PM yoshi Says:
To those bashing the individuals who were molested as children, who became, non frum, anti frum, bitter, wanting revenge, or anything else relating to that, have no right to judge them for who they became, or how they feel.
Since you never had to endure such horrifying experiences these boys or girls have, you are in no place to give mussar and look down on them.
Why do you think some of them hate frum people or feeling such hate?
could it be because their rebbi, an adult, someone they're supposed to look up to, someone who is supposed to protect them from being exposed to such horror, betrayed their trust. Embarrassed them. Took away their childhood innocence, gave them emotional difficulties, and nightmares they have to deal with & live with for the rest of their lives!
The argument that this victim is a so called "bum" and the rabbi is a choshiva highly respected man, shows how you don't care WHO the person is inside, it's how he LOOKS on the outside, Yet another reason why these poor children wont come forward.
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Aug 30, 2008 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:
engelman, bio is a married gay, and the story is non true
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Aug 30, 2008 at 10:13 PM Anonymous Says:
I was grilled by my parents years ago about a molester and if he hit on me. I answered no.....in truth he DID molest me. And molest me bad...
So if your child denies it, its not worth a cent. My molester threatened to hurt me and my parents if I told. And besides, he kissed me and forced me to kiss him in order to degrade me. He knew I would be to embarassed to tell a soul that I kissed him, so of course I lied to my parents. Carried this little dirty secret in my heart for years....till my heart was no more. And now I want revenge. BTW revenge is permitted here "min Hatora". Nikomo is only when the source of conflict is monetary.
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Aug 31, 2008 at 06:05 AM Brachi Says:
There is a rabbi in Bensonhurst that is already years married and he is a melamed and molested years many kids and like always nobody wants to talk.
People are working on this case now.
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Aug 31, 2008 at 12:40 PM Anonymous Says:
ווער פון אונז גייט אויף דזשורי דוטי?
כדי סזאל זיין א פעיר טרייעל דארף זיין פאות יודן אויפן טרייעל
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Aug 31, 2008 at 04:33 PM Kiruv Says:
Anon@10:13, you are absolutely correct.
Anon@4:25, please take note. Talking with your children after-the-fact is often useless, due to the perpetrator's threats and control via humiliation. Talking with your children is most effective if done BEFORE-the-fact, BEFORE your children are molested.
In particular, parents should explain to their children the specific lures and tactics that are commonly used by perpetrators on unsuspecting children. Knowledge is no guarantee that your children will escape harm, but it DOES make them much more difficult for the predator to snare.
Just as BURGLARS tend to pass by the houses with good preventative security measures, PEDOPHILES tend to pass by the children with good preventative security measures. It's an apt analogy.
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Sep 01, 2008 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:
This is 100% not true I learened by him and i asked my whole class if they had a story with him and everyone answer me NO So stop talking on a imshildig yid
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Sep 01, 2008 at 02:54 PM talmid Says:
100% not true... and the others???
לא ראינו אינה ראיה
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Sep 01, 2008 at 04:48 PM Moishe Zichmich Says:
The man failed a lie detector test. I know it hurts but it is documented. It was looked into by the attorney before he took the case; he is no fool. And to all of you saying that it is not admissible in court, I have some news for you:
Sexual offenders are now routinely polygraphed in many states of the United States and it is often a mandatory condition of probation or parole. In Texas, a state appellate court has upheld the testing of sex offenders under community supervision and has also upheld written statements given by sex offenders if they have committed a further offense with new victims. These statements are then used when a motion is filed to revoke probation and the probationer may then be sentenced to prison for having violated his or her probation.
A significant number of Federal appeals courts have upheld polygraph testing for Federal probationers as well. The most recent decision was by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals regarding a New York sex offender.
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Sep 01, 2008 at 07:16 PM Anonymous Says:
You guys sound ignorant! How can you possibly know what this boy or any of the others suffered. Dont judge them!!!
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Sep 02, 2008 at 11:47 AM Anonymous Says:
And you sound arrogant. Who are you to judge the accused when everyone who knows him consider him innocent. All his hundreds of students consider him innocent and YOU keep on trying to paint him guilty by using multipe names, the latest "Moshe Zichmich". What is your agenda; pray tell us!!!
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Sep 02, 2008 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:
You have no idea who I am you think I have nothing to do with my time but assume different identities so i can post numerous comments you are PATHETIC. This is exactly why our unfortunate innocent preyed upon youth DO NOT come forward.Its people such as you that are guilty by association by denying what is REALLY going on in our society.Take your head(if you have one) out of the sand. We are in a position to help these innocent victims, and there are too many of them unfortunately. So just keep quiet if you dont know what our world is really like out there.
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Sep 02, 2008 at 03:22 PM Moishe Zichmich Says:
Not seeing something happening doesnt mean it did not happen! A person who kills some also hasnt killed "hundreds of people." Just relax, this will go through the court system and if he is found guilty then you can rest assured that evidence exists to support that claim.-After all, if it is true than you agree that we should unleash all hell on him, right? Or even then do you think we should say "he made small mistake"? Ask yourself this question and have an open mind
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Sep 02, 2008 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:
It is so sad to read the many comments that are vilifying Yoely and his family. This is exactly why people are scared to come forward with incidents of sex abuse because so many will turn the tables and not only say that they are fabricating the story but will name call and seek to destroy their character. Do they have this need because otherwise they would not be able to deal with the sad fact that there are unfortunately frum people that have a perverse, sick need to abuse children?
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Sep 03, 2008 at 01:05 PM Mr Reality Says:
Why all the talk whether it is true or not. Why not let the US court system figure this out. Let there be the fair trial. If something, considering the king of (mis-) cooperation expected from the Yeshiva staff, the boy won't win even if he's right.
If however the Rabbi is found guilty, who is low enough to suggest that we should keep it under the rug, and have more innocent gems exposed to this?
TO ALL WHO SAY STUFF ABOUT THE ENGLEMANS:
Maybe The Englemans are nuts. i don't know them. But I do know what was and is going on in the Yeshivas, most Yeshivas unfortunately. Regardless of what this boy is, if you don't like him, if they really are bad people, if he's a dope (as suggested above), it all comes down to the truth. Did it happen or not.
No dope/bad person/crazy person should be put through this.
TO ALL WHO SAY THEY KNOW THE RABBI AND HE'S A GOOD MAN:
First of all, you would never know! You may know the person for a lifetime, but not know his ugly part. This is a weakness that any person could have, and for obvious reasons never reveal but to the victim(s).
In my times (over 15 years ago) I knew numerous incidents like this by more honorable (?) individuals as Avorohom Reichman is.
BOTTOM LINE:
It is not about personality-bashing and pre-assumptions. This is about the truth.
If it turns out that the buy falsely alleged a innocent person, he should be treated worse than a molested, as the Jewish point-of-view is on a false witness. But we need to keep an open mind of the possibility that the lack of evidence available (at this stage) may not proof that the crime never happened.
One way or another, the problem exists, and this type of crime happens.
However if the rabbi is found guilty, OMG this is so terrible. Not only was the Rebbe a Sheagatz, but the Yeshiva should be closed. Yes, the very big Satmar Yeshiva is good for nothing if it happened on their watch, and not only have they not detected it, not only have they not screened their educators throughroly, but they have received complains and suppressed it. They are not trustworthy.
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Sep 03, 2008 at 04:27 PM Anonymous Says:
Yoely we are with you! Go for it! No one else had the guts to do it! As for The Engelman Family, leave them alone! They obviously have nothing to do with it. Yoely is an adult and can make his own decisions. As to Satmar "you asked for it"
PS All you do-gooders in Lapidus I hope you kept watch over your boys all summer or did you? Maybe you too looked the other way.
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Sep 03, 2008 at 04:39 PM Anonymous Says:
So much nonesense in such a small space. There are many types of situations, and lumping them all as one is mind bogling. When one Rebbi is guilty - the entire Yeshiva doesn't have to close down (even if you don't like that Yeshiva). As a kid in camp, a Rebbi rubbed himself against me; I didn't understand it at the time, but I did see it as something wrong, so I kept my distance from him from then on. Fast forward, now he is a decent father of a family, and I'm sure he hasn't molested anybody. Should I Chas VeShalom ruin his life? For what? So ladies & gentleman; there is quite a distance from my story, and REAL molestation. I am afraid that 99 percent of all the whining here are close to my story then real molestation. Also don't lump children & bochurim. Molestation in any form is wrong, but let's call a spade a spade; not calling a fender-bender a major accident.
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Sep 05, 2008 at 03:09 AM Anonymous Says:
let me throw the following out for food for thought.
I have a question
If the molester cant do teshuvah because he is of a character/personality that has no freedom of choice .then he falls under the category of oines himself.and he is not to pay for his unaltered state of being.
on the other hand if he does have(bechire) and has the means to control his behavior then we owe him the same that we owe for engelman(a biselle Rachmunes) because if engelman was molested by the alleged person it is fair to say that the alleged molestor was molested by someone when he was at the same age as engelman.it is a known fact that the opressed become the oppresors.
for a community such as the folks of above who are not intellectual prone but rather emotion driven, may i ask where is your gentle heart for the two members among you, the alleged oppresor and the alleged victim.
Isnt your motto? "I feel therefore i am".or "we are"
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Sep 05, 2008 at 10:33 AM shoshi Says:
@anonymous 4:39
How do you know that he never molested anyone again. Do you think he would tell you?
I agree that you should make a distinction between different kinds of sexual abuse. But even molestation without rape can have very adverse effects on people's lives.
And the worst thing is that the victim tends to get victimised a second time when he/she opens the mouth, while the perpetrator remains a bekuvedig person and people even pity him, because they think that he was accused unjustly.
By the way, this is certainly not an exclusive problem of the haredi community or of religious communities in general. The perpetrator will take whatever means he has to defend himself. In religious surroundings he will say "look at me, I am a Rabbi, how could anyone imagine that I do something like this". In non-religious circles he will say "I just wanted to show him/her how it works" "He/she completely misunderstood my intentions".
They are very clever. And completely unscrupulous. It is very typical that they use "moral arguments" in their favour, although they do not at all believe in it.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 08:53 PM Anonymous Says:
Abuse has no race or religion it is an abomination and a crime that can happen in any community(fender bender or major accident)! Although we may want to look away in disbelief ,we must teach and protect our children.
If you have ever experienced even a moment of guilt or shame you can only imagine what this can could do to a child for a lime time. If there if anyone out there who has been a victim of this rebbe or someone else, please dont blame yourself!
May hashem give you the strength to speak up and find the strength to heal.
Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN)
RAINN operates a 24-hour telephone hotline (1-800-656-HOPE) and an Online Hotline for victims of sexual assault.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:
MOTHER Says:
"if one unfortunate boy is looking for someone to put the blame on he picked the wrong candidate"
-what if it was your childen? by him or someone else chas v'shalom!!!!!!!!!!!! what would you do ??????????!
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:54 PM Anonymous Says:
ALL VICTIMS you should speak out ! even if you have a wife and family now - you would not want your children or other peoples children to go through such an experience!
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:21 PM 2 Says:
http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:08 PM other articles realted to the suject matter Says:
Special Report: Sexual Molestation
May 18, 2007
Baltimore’s rabbis have spoken out. Both of the
major rabbinic organizations have delivered strong messages in recent weeks on the issue of sexual abuse within the community.
Indeed, the Vaad Harabbonim, the Rabbinical Council of Greater Baltimore, sent a letter signed by 23 of its rabbis to the Orthodox community, dated April 11.
The Baltimore Board of Rabbis, the umbrella group including modern Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist rabbis, followed suit with an advertisement in this week’s edition of the Baltimore Jewish Times.
“There is no subject more painful for us to discuss than the issue of sexual abuse within our community,” stated the Vaad’s letter. “Yet at this point we believe it is the subject most necessary to address. We must acknowledge that this horrible form of abuse exists –– and has existed for generations –– in our community as well. This issue must be confronted directly and we believe that this discussion can be a first step towards the necessary and achievable goal of ridding our community of this scourge.”
The letter went on to state that abuse can ruin an individual’s sense of self, ability to trust others and ability to engage in healthy, intimate relationships. The letter added that in the past, there were “mistakes” made in handling these situations.
“Abusers,” the letter stated, “were often not recognized for what they were, as it was too difficult to believe that otherwise good people could do such things, nor was it sufficiently appreciated what damage such acts could cause.
“Publicizing his status as abuser –– while causing enormous damage to his own family –– may be the only way to protect the community from him.”
Several rabbis also addressed the issue from the pulpit with their congregations.
The Board of Rabbis advertisement was jointly signed by the organization’s president, Rabbi Steven Schwartz of Pikesville’s Beth El Congregation and Marc J. Terrill, president of the Associated: Jewish Community Federation of Baltimore.
Part of the advertisement reads, “Once it was a shande (sin) to discuss this topic; now it is a shande to ignore it.
“All abuse is wrong and against the values of Torah, to which we are committed. The abuse of children, among the most vulnerable members of our communities, is especially reprehensible and demands our immediate attention and our commitment to eradicate it.”
“The stories [in the Jewish Times] have reminded us that this is an issue in the Jewish community,” said Rabbi Schwartz. “And since it is an issue in the community, we need to acknowledge the problem to do whatever we can to help the victims.
“Also, we have to be proactive so that this won’t continue to happen. This is a community moment to look at ourselves, and let’s put an end to this.”
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Sep 11, 2008 at 11:31 AM Anonymous Says:
Brachi wrote:
"There is a rabbi in Bensonhurst that is already years married and he is a melamed and molested years many kids and like always nobody wants to talk."
If you talking about a magid shiur in a famous yeshiva, than people know about it already years. Every time he finds his way out...
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Sep 22, 2008 at 06:06 PM Anonymous Says:
YOELY: by throwing off the yoke of our holy religion, you are gaining zilch. unfortunaely, you have been a victim of abuse. your abuser is a sinner and now you want to be one too? rise above it all! reach out and help other abuse vitims, there are too many out there!
many have experienced the holocaust, and others out there are suffering from painful diseases. see how survivors have fared. some went beserk, others built castles from within the ashes. look at those suffering from illness and pain. some get depressed, while others get above it all and counsel the ill. people tend to have serious challenges in life and become better people from their negative experiences.
show us your strengh and what YOU can accomplish? there is someone out there who really cares!
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Oct 03, 2008 at 06:37 AM mlustgarten2@juno.com Says:
“ If Mondrowitz was brought back to face charges after 20 years doesn't that mean there isn't a statute of limitations in these cases? Can an attorney please explain? ”
The statute of limitations only runs while the defendant remains in the jurisdiction. The running of the ststute is tolled when the defendant leaves the jurisdiction.
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Apr 23, 2009 at 10:57 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Been there Says:
comments - arrow Does anyone have info on a 1st grade Rebbe in Monsey YSV who molested children? Library Lover commented in the past having information. We are trying to locate more victims.
Did he teach other places after that? ”
No, he is no longer teaching anywhere.