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Brooklyn, NY - Yeshiva Man Goes Public On Radio Show About His Torment of Abuse Fifteen Years Ago, As a Child. AUDIO Replay |
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Living with the Trauma, Living with the Terror,A & Living with the Truth Sexual Abuse can be repressed with the trauma revisited in sensory triggers and stressors which set off a vivid revisiting of the molestation and exploitation. The horror can be replayed on the mind’s eye without reprieve, muting and dulling life’s joys and exacerbating life’s reversals. It is a rape of the soul.
Any one who wonders why this is such an important topic that needs to continue to be raised in our community should listen to the show.
You can listen live on the internet here www.http://www.talklinecommunications.com
you can call in the radio program: 718-436-1700
The Dov Hikind Show has arranged for a hotline sponsored by Interboro after the show, from 12:00 midnight to 1:00 a.m. Frum therapists are on-call, male and female, for individuals who would like to reach out.
Dr. Pam Siller: 917-841-0663
Dr. Yossi Posey: 516-761-8114
During regular hours you can reach Interboro at 718-778-0485. They have facilities in Flatbush, Crown Heights and Williambsburg, staffed by bilingual frum therapists.
For further information you can call the office of Assemblyman Dov Hikind on Monday at: 718-853-9616
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:15 PM Meier Says:
Hopefully, this chilul hashem will come to an end. It is disgusting that our children must suffer these abuses ath the hands of "rebbaim". Please stop sweeping this issue under the carpet.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:17 PM A Therapist Says:
Thank you Dov. Help us protect our children.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:18 PM "KOKOSH CAKE" Says:
Its about time we grabed the "Bull by its horns".
But is a Radio talk show the right setting for such a sensetive subject???
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:25 PM a boro parker yid Says:
with the greatest sympathy to this korbunes crying out your ordeal in public has terrible side effects
this kind of issues has to be discussed in truly toradige manner and I believe that they would even allowed some legal actions.
discussing it on radio shows is just a invitation to problems . vhomivin yuvin.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:34 PM aim and fire Says:
They're not Rebbeim; they're Rape-im!
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:41 PM shmiel Says:
If only the rabbonim would come out publicly, Dov wouldn't feel the need for this.
Did they?
NO!
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:41 PM Eli Says:
boro parker yid if your toiradige Rabbanim would have taken care of this problem maybe it owuldn't have to be discussed on the radio.... vhomaivin yuvin
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:44 PM north Says:
I don't think dov is the Answer we a complete new approach to our school system they way we hire malmdim makes no sense.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:46 PM challah Says:
rapists, molesters... get them off the streets not only out of the yeshivos...
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Sep 06, 2008 at 09:54 PM abused in brooklyn Says:
The sad part is that unless he has the prefix of a YESHIVA MAN or it happens to the son or daughter of a ROSH YESHIVA then every one simply says it CAN NOT BE TRUE. Innocent untill guilty etc. I rerally hope this is the maka bepatish and the BIG Rabbis will finally get their heads out of the sand box especially in the chassidishe world.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:05 PM emes Says:
are'nt you ashamed to put up such filthy garbge suppostly you're a normal public servent why do you bring such p---o stuf according to the torah you're allowed to point some one guilty unless proven by 2 wittness at a beth-din especially if the complainer himself (Y.E.)says he's is a POSHE YISRUEL eats NEVEILE UT'TRIEFE lives ......... (with who ?) ...does a person like have NEMUNES ? to ruin a person. and to the disguished readers why belive it ? even according to law he's innocent until proven... please stop this garbge at both ends
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:09 PM mccain palin 08 Says:
sad but true go get em tiger
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:19 PM Anonymous Says:
The excuses about "eidus" or kosher witnesses are getting boring, especially since this is an untrue fact. The issue of proper witnesses is a serious one, but our leading poskim discuss the matter (R' Wosner & R' Elyashiv Shlit"a). In situations such as this, where actual witness is impossible, there are other acceptable forms of witness. Do bear in mind that the individual who is complaining is not a witness but a "baal din" - litigant.
The problem will notbe solved onthe radio or through the internet blogs. But the awareness is useful.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:
Dov is bringing down yideshkit in new york, its not a public issue to be on radios,
Its a private issue that should be private, to many kids that don't know anything are now getting to know just from him, yosher???
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:35 PM zurech Says:
a bunch of chazeirim. there is a Torah way how to deal with this not the way Dov and his fellow basters are dealing with it.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:40 PM yoser? Says:
if this issue is not dealt in private we most deal with it in public as for yosher don't let your kids listen to is
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:45 PM yanky Says:
is it true , ken es zayn that there are rebbes and roshei yeshivos that think that messing around with little boys is nisht azoi geferlech, at least nish aza harbe aveira than messing around with women. this is disgusting beyond words, i am also a victim of this by a very 'farfrumte' chassidsishe man. i am today a destroyed soul, a shadow of my former soul, i think of suicide often. i used to be an excellent study, i loved learning, today i suffer from constant anxiety and depression. i am at the end of my rope but i feel there is no use in saying anything because the min. i open my mouth i will be denounced as a lowlife a shaigetz an oisverf a bum etc. etc. etc.
i don't know, i gove up....
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:48 PM Abie Says:
iT MUST be public and these beasts need to be ostracized from the community.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:53 PM einyid Says:
Mr. Emes:
Eidim are required when bes din is considering punishing the suspect. Like giving him 'skilah or malkos'.
What is being asked for in the case of (Y.E.)???
Is he asking for the man to be stoned to death? (although he should)
There is a known story of a Soifer that the 'Noideh Beyehida' physicly punished without any eidem. He was punished in a way that he could no longer be a sofer.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:54 PM Anonymous Says:
You go Dov! Don't be intimidated by some closed minded detractors - you nare doing a great service by making the public aware of this horrible problem. Of course in an ideal world this would not be necessary or would have been taken care of through Rabbonim in a more private forum but that has not happened and we must do whatever we can to be mefarsaim this so that the schools & yeshivas start behaving reponsibly and not just hide and bury everything at all costs to
keep the reputation of their Mosad as being 100%
clean and perfect. We need to face facts. Also parents need to know to educate their children about inappropriate behavior to come forward.
If there is 100% verification that Mosad directors knowingly covered up for molestors and
instead wentg affter the poor victims then they should be fired and never allowed to work in Chinuch. If they are the owners of a Mosad it should be boycotted - it would send a message that this will not be tolerated any longer and there are consequences.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 10:56 PM DR NO Says:
I hate when we have to discuss this subject in the open, but its the only way to wake up the people at the top.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:03 PM Semm Says:
where does it say I the article rabbeim?
the mob of yeshiva and torah bashers are all frothing and yelling down with those rabbeim those molesters!
as always , there are a small .001 of rabbeim as well as the general population who are evil.
that doesnt rationalize the venom against all rabbeim unless there are other issues that they want to blame their childhood problems and further failures in life on others.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:03 PM Anonymous Says:
Zurech 10:35
"a bunch of chazeirim. there is a Torah way how to deal with this not the way Dov and his fellow basters are dealing with it."
Since your'e such a chochem and know the Torah way
how about sharing it with us and why hasn't ANYONE
implemented the Torah way ??????
I think the bunch of chazeirim are those that want to sweep this under the rug and talk of some mysterious phantom Torah way that is and has been always taking care of this issue - so we should all go back to sleep.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:10 PM Anonymous Says:
yanky
please call the numbers above and start getting help foryour self
anyone that suffers as you say needs help
they will help you and call you names
they will believe in you
call and dont hide your life is worth alot
chazak
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:34 PM Anonymous Says:
Community Information:
A forum, open to parents & educators, with speakers Dov Hikind, Dr. David Pelcovitz & Dr. Eli Rosen:
"The Protected Child",
Jewish Children's Museum,
792 Eastern Parkway, Bklyn
THURSDAY, Sept. 11, 8:00 PM
Separate seating. FAX your ANONYMOUS questions to 347 621 1756. ALL ARE WELCOME!!
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:36 PM Anonymous Says:
Having heard half the show i can say that the content is inappropiate even for adults. With all due respect, Dov should be made aware that some questions ("sex life") just can't and ought not to be asked on the radio.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:40 PM Yonason Says:
Our leaders have had years to really deal with the abuse issue in what some of you call a Torahdige manner, but they have not done so. It gets swept under the rug, with more concern expressed for preserving the reputations of the mosdos than is expressed for the victims. L'havdil, in this area our leaders have been little better than the Catholics - Mr. Hikind is doing us a service.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:41 PM A Therapist Says:
Yanky: 11:10 is on target. The names listed above are really good at what they do. both Dr. Siller and Dr. Posy would be able to guide you towards help.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:
If this happened to you...you need not suffer alone. Call the numbers provided. They are good therapists, and can help you.
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:47 PM Getzel Says:
Yanky my heart goes out to you! You must get yourself help. You can still have a great life and use your sad struggles in life to strenghthen you and others! Please get a hold of the numbers to call and may you live a happy and fulfilling life after all!
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:52 PM Anonymous Says:
dov - please stop calling him "this person" - he is a MONSTER!!!!!!
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Sep 06, 2008 at 11:56 PM Anonymous Says:
Not one mention of calling the police and getting law enforcement involved. The molester after fifteen years says he's sorry. Pathetic. Obviously the statute of limitations has expired so the predator has no problem saying he's sorry. What kind of message is this sending to the other molesters?
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:00 AM Anonymous Says:
I have to agree with 11:36. I had to close the radio. It is very graphic, too much for me. But what made me really upset was hearing the pain in "Dovid's" voice & the feeling that so much was coming up, I felt like I shouldn't be hearing this, it's too personal.
Anyone who doesn't believe this sick stuff happens by "ehrliche, frum, even Chassidishe" Yidden, get a recording of the show. Nobody can act that well.
to Yanky...PLEASE get some help. It's not too late. People DO believe you & there are wonderful people out there who can & will give you everything you need.
To these evil predators...Yom haDin is coming.
G-d will judge you. You can NEVER escape that, which will be far worse than any man-made laws.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:07 AM anonymous Says:
This show sounds like an s...how. I agree 100% there is a big big problem but to talk on the radio like this? This is how he going to resolve it?
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:10 AM aim and fire Says:
Listening to Dovs show is like watching legal p... you feel like you're doing a mitzva while you're really destroying your soul.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:11 AM Eli Says:
anonymous 1200am. i'm so sorry it was too graphic for you! The next time you see a yid hit by a car and bleeding in the middle of the street, i think you should run the other way... all that blood ...it's too graphic!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:12 AM Anonymous Says:
Great show, but too explicate,
the victim that was on the show, needs
more self esteem, common he faces his molester,
punch him in the face, and his private parts,
show him your pain, don't just cry, even if you feel, like a child to them, be strong
after all you are an adult show the world
how to deal with these things
good luck
Thanks Dov
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:13 AM aim and fire Says:
Eli,
There's a difference.You don't have to turn on the radio.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:25 AM Anonymous Says:
Sickos.
This stuff is important even if its graphic. PPl need to hear what the molesters do, how they do it, and what happens after they do.
But you right. I would kill the molester not have him greet the guy and then say sorry. Just mu opnion.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:31 AM Anonymous Says:
If the show was too explicit for people to hear, why are these crimes not to explicit for our leaders to tolerate???
If you are angry at Dov Hikind for discussing it on the radio which you are are free to turn off, why isn't your blood boiling that children have been forced to experience it???
For that matter, you should also be yelling that Rav Weissmandel was telling graphic details no one should have to hear when he tried getting the American gov't to bomb the rail lines to the death camps. There must have been a more 'toirahdig' way of dealing with the problem. Too bad all you lunatics weren't around to straighten him out.
If all you can cry about is the publicity than all that bothers you is your community's image. Too bad you all don't have enough yiddisher rachmanus in you to feel any pain for the victims. You don't give a rat's *** about what happened and continues to happen to children so long as the community can still pretend all is well in Brooklyn.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:31 AM Anonymous Says:
Eli, I'm 12:00. I'm on the Chevra Kadisha. I can handle appalling death that nobody should ever suffer, from the very young to the very old. I have done. Can you?
What a stupid analogy.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:35 AM Eli Says:
aim and fire
you do have to turn on the radio (as difficult and distasteful as it is) if you want to help save young yiddehse neshomos.
They are not going to be helped unless people know all that is being done to them. Look at what has happened until now - NOTHING.
It is only when these things are Publicized in all their sordid details that anything even starts to move forward.
So just sit in your house and turn off your radio. Shkoich!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:37 AM Anonymous Says:
DOV is doing the right thing. If Rabanim would get involved Dov would not have to do it this way. It is sick people like you and others who do not want to deal with this that it got to come to this.
And for people that are still in denial the perp went into Dov Hikinds office and ADMITTED THE CRIMES. NOBODY had a gun to the perps head. Dov Hikind happened to know the perp fro 25 years and was shocked but did not act like the many fools on these blogs which always claim that people "they know" can not possibly do any type of crimes.
We still believe that people who protect molestors are molestors themselves.
There is only one thing which Dov had no right to address on public radio. Asking a couple about their private life is TOTALLY OFF LIMITS PERIOD.
If the FCC got a hold of tonights show Dov Hikind would get fined and thrown off the radio.
Dov does great stuff for the community but why on earth he asked such private questions? It was just not right and very hurtful to many listeners.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:38 AM Anonymous Says:
Nobody is saying these things shouldn't be publicized. I said I (emphasis on I) found it too disturbing to hear "Dovid's" pain. Yes, I did think it was graphic & no one wants to hear these things. But you are right, it needs to be said. I know all too well about this topic, I've been asked to deal with it more than once over the past 25 years. And I 1000% believe it. That doesn't mean I was comfortable listening to it. See the difference??
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:49 AM Eli Says:
Anonymous 12:38
I understand what you are saying and i apologize for being harsh. I am a victim myself. I was molested by my yeshiva principal many years ago. Everybody knew the man had a problem and no-one did anything about it.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:52 AM Anonymous Says:
11:38. Your SEX LIFE is one of the most vital parts of a marriage. Scratch that. Without it, there IS no marriage. Get it?? Apparently, you don't. Good for Dov for talking about this, as only very few others, Rabbi Horowitz, etc. will. This OUGHT to be scary to listen to. That's the point!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:53 AM Anonymous Says:
Wouldn't it be nice if at this year's AY convention Q & A sessions our leaders were asked why so little has been done to protect our children that there was a purpose to Hikind's radio show tonight?
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:58 AM Anonymous Says:
Yeah sure!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:59 AM Anonymous Says:
SEX!!!??? DID YOU SAY SEX???!!!
AN IMPORTANT PART OF A JEWISH MARRAIGE???!!!
DON'T YOU KNOW SEX IS NOT 'TOIRAHDIG'?
Molesting a child is OK. Just don't talk about it. and certainly don't use the word SEX.
(Hey, maybe that is why no one ever believes the accusations against rabbonim and rabai'im. To some people, molestation is a form of sex, and everyone knows toirahdif yidden have no interest in SEX.)
Time we started telling the truth about these guys so they will be run out of town. So here goes: I personally have seen Yudi Kolko serve cholov stam to frum kids.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:13 AM Anonymous Says:
Wait until Yehuda Levin finds out about this!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:17 AM baalhabos Says:
>But is a Radio talk show the right setting for such a sensetive subject???
Questions like yours are part of the problem.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:22 AM Anonymous Says:
>But is a Radio talk show the right setting for such a sensetive subject???
No, it isn't. But it is a great setting if you are trying to get the people who should be dealing with these problems to start doing so.
Or, they can start assuring radio.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:29 AM aim and fire Says:
This thread is beginning to sound like a "Molesters Anonymous" meeting.
1. It shouldn't be discussed in public.
2. It should be taken care of privately.
3. It wasn't.
4. Unfortunately sometimes public whistleblowing is the only way to rectify the situstion.
5. Publicity helps destroy the fabric of Klal Yisroel - tznius.
6. Dov is a courageous whistleblower.
7. Dov. Don't abuse your whistleblower status by discussing personal tznius issues. Its not proper. Know where to draw the line.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:33 AM aim and fire Says:
Eli,
My sincere sympathies. I really hope that you have been able to lead a productive, happy life. All the best.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:33 AM Anonymous Says:
Zurech 10:35
"a bunch of chazeirim. there is a Torah way how to deal with this not the way Dov and his fellow basters are dealing with it."
I GUESS YOU WERE NEVER A VICTIM OR YOUR CHILD BECAUSE IF SO YOU WOULD SPEAK DIFFERENTLY!!! OR MAYBE YOU YOURSELF ARE A MOLESTER!! AEW YOU AFRAID YOU WILL BE DISCLOSED??? THAT'S IT!! ALL THOSE THAT KNOW OF MOLESTER AND KEEP QUIET ARE AN ACCOMPLICE TO THE CRIME. COME FORWARD AND MAKE THEIR NAMES KNOWN!!! NOW!!! PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:35 AM Anonymous Says:
11:38. Your SEX LIFE is one of the most vital parts of a marriage. Scratch that. Without it, there IS no marriage. Get it?? Apparently, you don't. Good for Dov for talking about this, as only very few others, Rabbi Horowitz, etc. will. This OUGHT to be scary to listen to. That's the point!
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Unfortunately, Dov lacks any of the experience which Rabbi Horowitz so masterfully exhibits. Unlike Dov, Rabbi Horowitz discusses these issues with respect, honor and purity. Before embarking on such important and sensitive a task he ought to seek advice from professionals in this area such as Rabbi Horowitz. And if he already has, he should continue. Perhaps he will improve with time.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:43 AM Anonymous Says:
For those who think that the powers to be, the Robonim really want to deal with this issue I have news for you they don't. They are more worried about their power or good name that they are infallible then protecting our children.
How do I know?
NY enacted a law that schools need to do background checks and report and incidences of abuse. TWO GROUPS FOUGHT AND WON EXCEPTIONS FOR RELIGIOUS SCHOOL THE CHURCH AND AGUDATH.
Interesting bed fellows, or maybe not you decide.
PS I see from the past 20 years of this issue that dealing with it in a "Torah way" has gotten nowhere and made the matters worse. Since the molesters know the consequences of their action is nothing. Do people forget that the Torah way would be to stone them, kill them of give them malkes. Are soom so naive to thing that if someone got caught molesting children during the time the Torah was given that this type of people would have any chance of living. The Torah way is to deal with it and punish the perpetrator.
That is the Torah way, the rabbis way (which is not the Torah way in many cases) is threaten the victim and hopefully it will go away Therefore, I do not have to deal with an issue that I am not capable of handling and show my flock I am human and fallible
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:55 AM Anonymous Says:
In all the years that passed between the first time complaints were made about Kolko until he was finally arrested, how many teenage boys were thrown out of yeshivos for being seen taliking to teenage girls, by the same roshai yeshiva who hid behind hilchos lashon horah every time a new allegation came up?
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Sep 07, 2008 at 02:11 AM Anonymous Says:
when they want the robbonim can act swiftly and decisively. Like banning a music concert. I guess they feel music is more dangerous and damaging to children than molested.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 02:11 AM destro613 Says:
ARE going to ask if an accuser has NEMUNES it's absurd. The simple fact is after a rebbi messes with the kid the kid damaged and most will go off the derech so you can not blame them for there acts after what was done to them the people who he thought was holy defiled him and the other turned a blind eye. Do you expect him to stay frum??? if he stays frum either he is nuts, or likes it, or has a iron will and faith, most people who are abused do nut deal with it well and rebel against what they were taught since how could it be was they were told is true if the people on the top are corrupt.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 02:31 AM Anonymous Says:
For those who think that the powers to be, the Robonim really want to deal with this issue I have news for you they don't. They are more worried about their power."
Rabanim do not care unless it is their children.
As far as the Aguda convention, the topic this year will be about Lipa. No, not the rosh yeshiva that protects molestor but the guy who sings and makes people happy without touching them.
The Aguda is more concerened about singers. Nebach.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 03:02 AM Hashem Imuney Says:
To emes: Did you ever hear of a child molestation with two witnesses present?
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Sep 07, 2008 at 06:12 AM AuthenticSatmar Says:
As a Rov once said, when you deal with schmutz, you get schmutzik. Dov's questions last night served no purpose. Another couple's sex life is off limits. While Dov started with good intentions, it has gotten to where he seeks attention and ratings, and he is crediting himself already for the succeses when he is far from it.
Other than giving the victims a glimmer of hope, what has he done to actually solve the issue? Where are the names of the molestors and the yeshivas that cover for them??
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Sep 07, 2008 at 07:30 AM Yonason Says:
Aim and Fire #35 - you worry about the health of one's soul, comparing Dov's show to porn - and on another story you praise Baruch Goldstein. If you believe it is a problem to listen to the story we heard to last night, and just fine to machine gun muslim worshippers - then you sir have both your ethics and your Torah on their heads - shameful
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Sep 07, 2008 at 08:11 AM Anonymous Says:
I can no longer listen to this radio show. We have become like the secular radio shows. These issues must be addressed in a different manner. This is a miztvo habo b'aveiro, to explicitly deny our children their pure innocence which we had for so many generations by talking about these subjects on the radio. This program should be banned.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 08:14 AM Anonymous Says:
This is a very serious problem. However, this program is becoming a regular pornographic show. Do you think you really need to be so vivid with the details when this is considered a family show on Shabbos night?
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Sep 07, 2008 at 08:26 AM eli Says:
the reason you don't see rabbanim talking publicly abut this issue is because thay deal with it in a tzniusdiger way and more gets accomplished that way by having a radio show about it or writing articles like rabbi horowitz nothing gets done or accomplished exept for more publicity for the talk show or author.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 08:41 AM Anonymous Says:
We live in a Medinas shel Chesed and child molestation is a punishable crime. Every parent or individual should immediately go to the proper authorities and lodge a complaint and bring legal action against any person who violates them or their child. Sof davar!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 09:55 AM Anonymous Says:
At the begining of the show it was clearly said THIS IS MATURE SUBJECT MATTER absolutely noone held a gun to your head you could have turned your radio off!!As long as we bash dov and others like him that are willing to help and educate our FRUM oilem that this exists we will not accomplish anything. We will keep on producing a generation of kids at risk because we let them be harmed we did nothing to prevent it from happening. We fail our youth we fail the entire future klal yisroel.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 09:58 AM Been there Says:
There is no "nice" way to have a radio show about this. The guest could have been much more graphic about his experience but was clearly uncomfortable doing so. I think he should have been more graphic and not leave it up to v'hamaivin yovin. People need to be shocked and outraged to a point where the listeners blood boils and seethes with anger at the churban that is befalling our children. The graphic sexual acts which are performed with and on these children are heinous and incomprehensible to adults let alone children. Their entire emotional being is affected and altered forever. The radio show said numerous times that the show was not for children. As far as tznius is concerned, how does one bring public awareness to a very critical problem facing us and make the listener really understand what is happening and the ramifications for such actions without talking about it in an open fashion? Normal minds cannot relate to molestation the same way they cannot fathom how someone can take a knife and cut a persons head off. However brutal murder happens and so does molestation. Unfortunately molestation is in our community. As torah jews we cannot comprehend that it is in our community and therefore have an easier time denying it. It is present in EVERY community and in a large portion of our yeshivas. We NEED to know it is happening. This is a silent killer. If there was a cancer causing agent present in the building material of some of the yeshiva buildings in town the parents would leave no stone unturned to make sure it was not present in the yeshiva they send their child to. This should be no different.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 10:41 AM Anonymous Says:
Here is my observation of the show last night:
I think the point of the show is to raise awareness for the people who still have their head deep in the sand. This is his smoking gun to those folks who did not believe the women in Williamsburg. By having the abuser show up to Dov's office last week and saying I am sorry (who knows what I would have done to such a person) shows that IT IS A TRUE STORY (again for those who are still in denial). You cannot say that it did not happen.
Another point is that it can be anyone, and not just a Rebbi , can be a abuser.
Thank you Dov, “Dovid” and “Rochel” for being on the show last night.
So where do we go from here? My idea is to take a play out of the playbook from Agudah (who I have lost respect for, maybe just maybe they can do something right here to earn my and many others respect back). That is to call and email (like they wanted us to email and call the White House for Jonathan Pollard) Agudah our concerns concerning this issue. We tell them we want ACTION (action means that ALL people involved in the coverup and who are the abusers are thrown out of their positions!!), AWARENESS, and not have their Gedolei Torah sweep it under the rug (like they did a few years ago at a Agudah Convention speech). It seems to me that Agudah does not take this seriously. While we are at it we also should “HIT” Torah Umesorah with the same calls and emails. WE NEEED TO PROTECT OUT KIDS. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anyone know the Phone numbers and email addresses where we should direct this to??
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Sep 07, 2008 at 10:53 AM aim & fire Says:
Yonason,
Not that Goldstein was correct in shooting them; rather in his outlook that the only good arab is a dead arab - which you yourself believe.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 11:18 AM Jacob Joseph Says:
Dov Dont let go keep up the good work
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Sep 07, 2008 at 11:21 AM Finally Says:
The show was excellent, unfortunately we have no systems in place in the yeshiva community to combat abuse.If even one person gets helped because of various victims speaking up its worth the tarnishing of the yeshiva school system. The Poskim say Pikuach Nifoshos is docheh Talmud Torah D'rabim.I know first hand of many cases of abuse which go unreported due to embarasement.This type of abuse leads these kids to all types of addiction including sex addiction. These addictions destroy their lives and very rarely do they recover. I think we should do open shows on Verbal,mental and physical abuse too, which plagues the yeshiva community in epidemic numbers.Tzion Bimishpot Tipodeh, the Navi clearly states to get justice for the victims will redeem us in this exile/concealment. If the Daas Torah has another way let them speak up now, because there will be more shows and more venues of bringing these abuses to open forums. Especially with the high ratings. Some Askanim get motivated when they can draw a little Kovod. They may even get a TV show like Dr. Phil.and then they will get big bucks too.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:
eli Says:
the reason you don't see rabbanim talking publicly abut this issue is because thay deal with it in a tzniusdiger way and more gets accomplished that way...........
09-07-2008 - 8:26 AM
Boy, have I got a great deal on a bridge for you!
But, seriously, in the future, please, warn us when you are going to post something so funny. I started laughing while I had coffee in my mouth and it took two hours to find a spare keyboard.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:
with all due respect to everyone involved is anyone uncomfortable with the fact that this young man is a rebbe when he himself admits that he is still unable to walk through a mall and so on without being careful where he looks why is this person put in a position where he is left alone with our children help
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Sep 07, 2008 at 11:49 AM Yiddle un a fiddle Says:
Maybe Oprah can do a show on this
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:18 PM Hasidic yengrman Says:
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR HELPING OUT THIS ISSUE.......!!!!
I HAVE A LAT TO SAY ABOUT SEXUAL IN OUR COUMUNTE BUT MY ENGLSH ISN'T GOOD,
GOOD GO AHED!!!
THANK YOU R'DOV and all....!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:20 PM Anonymous Says:
gut-rentching show dov. baruch hashem that dovid did not go on and molest other children...
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:29 PM Anonymous Says:
dov great a +++++++++++++++++
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:30 PM Anonymous Says:
09-07-2008 - 11:39 AM i was a bit concerned about that too, however i thought about it and again i dont know him but it sounds to me that he dosent look at kids but at adults (which is normal to a certain degree) and from the way he sounded he would never hurt a child but i agree that concern did cross my mind as well when he said that, so i hope dov thought of it too and verified that he is safe indeed in any case he was hurt badly and i wish him the best.
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:50 PM anonymous Says:
Let Dov get a warrant to collect all cell phones in any given kollel,high school, seminary, yeshivas and let them openly see what shmutz some of these people are looking at and getting steered wrongly!!!!!
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Sep 07, 2008 at 12:52 PM berish Says:
i wrote before but i dont see it here published almost 50 years ago i myself was molested by our shoihet in a town in romania so this is not a new phenomenon till today and i think forever it destroyes my trust in yiddishkeit there is noe to go to as before me someone wrote i really giving up on humanity
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:06 PM Gershon Says:
Last night I tried to listen to the show with my teenaged ,yeshiva bocher son.I could not.It was simply inappropriate.
Dov, you must realize that most of the Orthodox community you represent does not feel comfortable with this level of exposure.So while the message is correct, you need to tone down the graphic nature.We can get the message even if it's not explicitly spelled out!
I do hope, Dov,that you read these feedbacks to get more community input
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Sep 07, 2008 at 01:19 PM MY OPINION Says:
GERSHON....ITS FOR YOU TO LISTEN AND NOT FOR YOUR BOOCHER... BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF ...JUST LIKE THE RABBI IN CHEDER LEARNS THE SEDRA AND WHEN IT COMES TO ADULT ISSUES THEY JUST SKIP IT
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Sep 07, 2008 at 02:45 PM Anonymous Says:
To all of that are so concerned that Dov questioned the couple about their intimate relationship... All questions were asked so you naive people that still want to disregard this subject and live in denial should understand EXACTLY what happens to a victim. He didnt even go in to the real disgusting act itself, and you already have what to cry about. For you information, do you know that are many couples out there that are getting divorced within a few weeks after their marriage because one of them did not have a healthy mind to have relationships?! They were afraid and refused to have any contact?! WHY?! Do you have an answer for this?! How many broken homes do we still need to have till you are going to face reality?! Dov wanted you to understand fully the consequences of sexual abuse. How much more explanation do you need?
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Sep 07, 2008 at 02:47 PM Anonymous Says:
eli Says:
comments - arrow the reason you don't see rabbanim talking publicly abut this issue is because thay deal with it in a tzniusdiger way and more gets accomplished that way
it is people like you who scare me that yiddishgiet is becoming a cult. Cult memebers never could look at their leader in a critcal way. take what their leaders say and do not look back
Let see the evidence, in two big major cases. Kolco and Mondrowtiz. First, even after evidence was provided these two still had free access to young children for many years with no restriction placed on then by any robonim. The robonim spend all their time threatening the victims to keep silent.
The only time something was done to protect the children is when the police/government where informed. And even then what was the response of the robonim, PROTECT THE MOLESTERS AT ALL COST EVEN to SHIP to Israel and of course still give him Mondrowtz access to children.
eli, did I open your eyes yet? Or, maybe you can proved us with some details, evidence, that the robonim have dealt with this to protect the children instead of protecting the molester
THIS MIGHT BE HARD FOR SOME TO READ
part of the blame belongs to the parents. Either by not believing their children, and not taking direct action control of the situation. Once you see that the powers to be where doing nothing, and saw the molester still teaching, parent should out them and or go to the police instead. Or start a boycott the Yeshiva. Instead of, following the Robonim like brainless robots who cannot do anything without the approval of the inept or corrupt robonuim.
Why I ask is there still children in Torath Tememha, and it seems Satmer? These yeshivas not only protected molester they also gave access to your children to these molesters for many years?
When these stories where made public and the evidence almost indisputable there should have been a mass exudes and boycott of these yeshivas. I am not parent, but it seems just crazy and insane that parents still send children to these places. And even if the molesters are now gone, their protectors and enablers and still there.
maybe someone can explain this to me since I am lost to answer this simple question
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Sep 07, 2008 at 02:47 PM Anonymous Says:
Yes, he had to go in to detail, because no people dont understand a different language!
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